Argentina insists the “Malvinas issue” will be discussed at the Americas summit
Argentina’s sovereignty claim over the Falklands/Malvinas will be addressed during the Sixth Summit of the Americas this weekend in Colombia, where 33 heads of state and government are scheduled to meet, said Colombian Foreign Affairs minister Maria Angela Holguin.
The Colombian official mentioned that the issue has been discussed by the different technical teams and on Thursday will be addressed by Foreign Affairs ministers, when details of the Saturday and Sunday summit will be completed.
“The Malvinas issue is going to be considered. It’s an issue that has been addressed at technical level and most probably the Foreign Affairs ministers will discuss it on Thursday, and if President Cristina Fernandez wishes to take it to the presidential summit, well it will also be considered”, said the Colombian official.
Argentina has made it official policy “to take the Malvinas issue to all international forums and on this occasion it won’t be absent from Cartagena de Indias discussions, particularly on the 30th anniversary of the war”, anticipated Argentine diplomatic sources.
On Tuesday Ms Holguin said that the Malvinas issue will not be included in the Summit’s final declaration, but this will not impede discussions on the issue.
“There is a lack of consensus on the Malvinas issue”, admitted Minister Holguin who added that the summit’s declaration most probably will not have a single reference to controversial issues such as de-penalizing drugs consumption, Cuba or Malvinas.
More specifically on the Falklands/Malvinas issue, Holguin said it was “a bilateral issue” between Argentina and the UK.
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¡Qué sorpresa! This news comes as no surprise to me: I thought the topic was a tiresome subject for the summit anyway. Cristina’s rise from obscurity to become first the powerful wife of Argentina's president, Nestor Kirchner to the present, she needs plenty of exposure. Like her husband, she’s a populist paradox, part demagogue, part fame-seeker, and part humanitarian. In fact, she and Nestor have actually done some genuine good, regrettably mingled with mismanagement, corruption, and tyranny. Let’s watch the drama and see what happens in Cartagena.
Argentina yells: NOTHING IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE NATION OF ARGENTINA AND THE RETAKING OF THE MALVINAS!!!! JAJAJAJAJA
This is how diplomacy works down there.
6th Summit delegates- “OK, go ahead”
KFC- “The Falklands are part of Argentina and we want them back”
6th Summit delegates- “OK. Noted. Any comments from the floor? No? OK - next item on the agenda”.
aaahhhhh, and round we go again.............( and again, and again..... )
#5 Well done editor
#6 Exactly
I'm pretty sure they all know that CFK wants the Falklands - how many times do they need telling?
Are you saying your queen, her family and cronies are free of serious corruption?
She and her family have increased their wealth massively WHILST being in power. Apart from being a serious conflict of interest her attention should be on the complicated business of running a country. She shouldnt have the time to be making huge business deals on the side.
Where has the 2.1 billion for Aerolineas gone?
La Campora is a political democratic party or a quasi political organization that finds itself in places of political and business influence purely by chance?!
There is freedom of press and she has her many critics but there is more than one state televison channel continuously broadcasting propaganda for your queen. Theres the football league (a very popular entity) with TV rights funded by the government which means they slot their propaganda in the many breaks. There really are more important things to be worring about than -Las Malvinas- in one of the most blessed countries in the world for natural resources per capita. It means that people are in a constant state of mild anxiety regarding Las Malvinas all because the government is manipulating them. Its not the Falkland Islanders fault that Argentina has consistently failed to get its sh*t together politically, economically etc. And so they have to continuously deal with Argentina's resentment and jealousy. Nationalism is never -NEVER- a good thing - it only serves those in power.
There are restrictions on importing many things and massively high 50% tax on most imports that do get through. Why should the government decide what people can or can-t buy? The government is making it very difficult to import books for crying out loud.
I could go on... And yet you continue to think your queen is perfect?
Perhaps the other leaders in South America already acknowledge that the official British version is the true history of the Falkland Islands and simply do not want to get involved. WHAT DO YOU THINK?
In other words, the Argentine government have played all their cards, leaving Cristina and her cronies with only one card to play to keep Argentina from spilling into the abyss, the Falklands, so she shouts about it a lot and calls all 'patriots' in Argentina to arms.
And like the Galteri government before her, her grip on power will only hold as long as she can hold up the facade of Argentina being able to do something about the issue. She (that peace-loving individual that she is) can't invade the Falklands so she tries diplomacy instead. However, she and her government have tried and failed at diplomacy, mainly as their claims to the Islands are laughable, and go against the UN charter for all people to have self-determination. Any support (if any) they had regarding this issue has melted away, because quite frankly everyone in the World can see their bullying tactics, and are quite frankly fed up of all the hysterionics.
Her Falklands distraction method won't last forever, and then she'll tumbled from her ivory tower, and the people of Argentina will discover just how badly they've been lied to, and what dire straits they're in financially.
The will only have a small window of opportunity until the new carriers come on line and I can't see Argentina being organised enough to get their political and military timing right.
Firstly, THEY believe that there's a nuclear sub in the area and the UK will never confirm or deny it so they'll never be sure. The last time their navy tangled with a RN sub, only one ship was sunk and the Argentines pulled all their ships into port, and there they remained for the duration of the war.
Secondly, Argentina's armed forces are now some of the worst equipped in the region, and the government don't really trust them, memories of the Junta are still fresh in Argentina. British forces are now some of the best equipped in the world, and have spent the last 10 years or so fighting in wars, so they are also very experienced at war fighting.
Finally, the UK could (not necessarily would) invoke article 5 of the NATO charter, if sovereign British territory were invaded, which means that our NATO allies would have to honour their committments and give us assistance.
I'm not saying that Brig Thompsen isn't correct in his analysis, but it maybe a few years before Argentina's military is up to scratch, and our new air craft carriers should be operational by that time. In the meantime, Argentina's economy is falling down around them, but their government would rather bury their heads in the sand than deal with this most important issue.
Any attempt to take the Falklands by force would be disastrous for Argentina, and would also show their so called 'peaceful' government up for what they really are.
Is it the end of an era? It's subtle but important in terms of propaganda.
Maybe if they're stupid enough to try and invade again, the price of peace will be for them to remove the sovereignty claim from their constitution, sign a treaty recognising that the Falklands belong to no one but the Falkland Islanders, and that they will promise the Falkland Islanders, the British and the rest of the world to STFU about it forever.
However, that's wishful thinking, as Argentina never honours it's treaties. Even the one where they recognised that the Falklands were British territory, signed in 1850.
www.economist.com/node/21552572
#20 I agree the Argentine navy acted cowardly, but their air force showed amazing bravery and ingenuity. (Fortunately for the British, the French betrayed the Exocet operating codes, or the story could have been very different.)
#21 “A lesson they didn't learn in 1982.” Oh yes they did learn lots of lessons. One was to never ruse a company of British Gurkhas with a false white flag...
The military threat is long gone as their air force is a shambles and would never be able to support an invasion, much less their now pathetic navy. The army is even more demoralized and very poorly equipped.
The real danger is all this regional diplomacy that actually seems to have been working. A politician in Chile was recently forced to formally apologize because he used the term “Falklands Islands” in public. (Mind you, Chile was nearly invaded by our “brothers” in 1978 and since then they've violated three major bi-lateral treaties without as much as even an apology.) Add to that the threat of suspending the weekly LAN service as well a denial of shipping access you begin to get concerned.
Winning friends and influencing people along the way.
Another triumph of Argentinian diplomacy takes shape.
Laughter......Laughter......HGRQN
Your right about their Airforce. Then again they were land based, outnumbered the Harriers 7:1 and the British lacked a viable AEW system. I would expect to see any half decent modern contemporary airforce achieve the same results.
Wasn't there rumours at the time, that French Aerospatial technicians were in Argentina converting their aircraft and assembling the exocets for firing.
On another note, blowing up Mount Pleasant's runway would not disable the 4 Typhoons based in the Falklands as I understand there is an alternative dirt field for that scenario. Not good for a Boeing or Airbus but perfectly workable for fighters and even refueled Globemasters.
www.straight.com/article-659416/vancouver/gwynne-dyer-argentinas-campaign-recover-falkland-islands
I'm Ex RAF, 2ATAF, RAF Germany. In the dark bad old days of the cold war, we excercised regularly for our wartime role. One of the things we were particularly good at was rapid runway repair, our runways could be back in operation in hours, following the heaviest Warsaw pact air raids. I'm sure it's a skill our engineers still have. It's irrelevent anyway, with the radar that's there now. Argentine aircraft would be detected on take off and intercepted miles away from Mount Pleasant any survivors would have to get past the Type 45. Any survivors from that engagement would then be engaged by Rapier SAM, some miles from Mount Pleasant. Just say they did by some miracle, manage that, they woud then have to get back to their base. Personaly I can never see it happening.
It will be a very quiet service then >>
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#32 Rumors were that her famous “throat cancer” operation included removing part of her turkey neck.
#33 I love Castro's depiction of the HMS Dauntless.
Had her neck lifting? the fucker should have her head lifted off her fucking shoulders. Everyone now must be heartily sick of this woman and her cronies bleating on about this issue. In the run up to the 30th anniversary and if you wanted to make political capital out of it you could - begrudgingly - see the very obvious tactic.
However lets face it, the 30th anniversary is over, the RG's wont be getting the FI and the whining bitch should really just shut the fuck up.
frankly this is like the kid who gets kicked to fuck, whinges about it and the everyone just tells the fucker to shut up once his injuries are healed.
ARGENTINA - YOU FUCKING LOST IN 1982 - SHUT THE FUCK UP.
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And the topic will be also in the agenda of the Americas summit.
What international support can the UK get??? All they get is always military support when starting wars because it is a good business for its allies always. But in diplomacy Cameron will never pass the exam, why do you all think he is always trying to play aggressive and to make the field dirty, not polite and disrespectful??
Malvinas are part of Argentina, the control nowadays is not held by people living in the islands, but for corporations, and the darkest sides of the British society, those who hate democracy, who care nothing about the islanders, about peace (because war fulfills their pockets), about environment, about future. They just want resources and they have changed the fundaments to stay on the islands a million times during history, adapting the excuses to the different times and world contexts.
Wrong my friend.
The Falklands are NOT a part of Argentina.
NEVER have been, NEVER will be.
Don't even care about the rest of your drivel.
Yes there is a RE Squadron based at MPA which is tasked with Airfield Damage Repair. There is also a reinforced relief landing ground capable of taking the jets and they could also operate out of Stanley.
quote: “control nowadays is not held by people living in the islands, but for corporations, and the darkest sides of the British society, those who hate democracy”.
Do you honestly believe all the crap you read on the internet? Is it the TRUTH? Maybe the Queen of England is a Lizard who runs Washington, Moscow, Beijing and Paris through her minions, above her the Zionist hords with their banking cartels, who according to Mel Gibson and Sean Penn have ruled the West since the Jews executed Jesus on the Cross and Nathan Rothschild inseminated Hitlers mother with his seed to produce the Anti Christ Adolph Hitler. 9/11 was a planned demolition, there were no planes, it was Zionists and the Queen who did it!
Should I go on? Sound failure? Vermin I suggest you get a life!
I would add that corporations are a plague on societies but they don't just emanate from Britain, most of them multinational and emanate out of the US, some of them are Argentine. Imperialism is a widely used word, I prefer to call it Corporatism and Argentinian society is as much a product of it as our own. Last time I checked Argentine corporations were busy taking Paraguayan and Bolivian raw resources but the insane (Argentine) hypocritical so called anti-Imperialists just want to blame Britain. I think you should start with your own country and work your way down through the list, America being pretty high up, followed by China, Germany, Russia, Brazil, etc.
Then when you've finished maybe land redistribution to the people who land was stolen from them by European settlers over the period of the last 500 years in South America, especially Argentina. Then maybe Vermin, when your country has finished all that you can climb on top of your pedestal and take a good spin! Just be careful not to fall off in a great big pile of shit again!
Talking to Raisa the police horse again?
Let face it,
CFK is getting creakier as time goes on, she whines all day,
And squeaks all night,
Perhaps WD40 may well help her .lol.
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Her brain is a lump of rusted, non-functioning cogs.
Think that water has leaked through all that plastic & rubber.
I am a Falkland Islander, I live in the Falklands full time and am not a squid billionaire. I can assure you that we are a thriving democracy, not ruled by corporations, not a shady society and DEFINITELY not part of Argentina. Instead of relying on dubious sources of information please ask Falkland Islanders if you want to know anything about us. You might not hear what you want to hear but we have nothing to hide and we don't worry about what you think of us.
Chicureo
I was interested in your comment about someone falsely waving a white flag at the Ghurkas in 82. I am genuinely interested to know about this as it's not a story I have heard before. Can you tell me more? There was a false white flag incident at Goose Green but that was against 2 Para.
leave us islanders alone .
Although a few Chileans were sympathetic of the Argentinean plight, almost all serving in the armed forces were in complete support for the British.
In Chile, we were all in awe of the SAS forces, but our Argentine “brothers” were absolutely frightened by the Gurkhas and their long Kukris. They believed the myth (or maybe true tradition) that the Nepalese draw blood with the knives each time the blade was drawn from the sheath. There are stories of Gurkhas beheading Argentine defenders and ignoring white flags of surrender. I have no evidence of it actually happening, but the stories continue to circulate.
I’ve been for several years in inactive reserves, but try to keep informed of non-classified reports from the SIN. It is open knowledge that the Argentinean navy and air force could not handle support for another invasion.
Chipping in what I know, there were several fake Argentine white flag / surrender incidents at Goose Green, not just one. Others occurred elsewhere on the approach to Stanley. Haven't heard of the Gurkha's incident though.
You shut up your stinky ass and do Harry the transplant he needs from his grandmother pubic hair!
Doesn't your ass stink?
You must have the cleanest donkey in Christendom.
We really don't want to know about your Abuela's pubic hairs!
You are a foul mouthed little harridan, aren't you?
Touchy, too.
Are all Argentines like you?
Maybe one of the reasons that Argentines are not liked by their neighbours.
Try to act more grown-up, Soozy.
This is not the first time for her. or the second.
She was calling some of the women of the Royal family sluts.
lts obvious that she doesn't like us so tell me why l should be nice to her?
l'd say, a nasty twisted piece of work.
”In Chile, we were all in awe of the SAS forces, but our Argentine “brothers” were absolutely frightened by the Gurkhas and their long Kukris. They believed the myth (or maybe true tradition) that the Nepalese draw blood with the knives each time the blade was drawn from the sheath. There are stories of Gurkhas beheading Argentine defenders and ignoring white flags of surrender. I have no evidence of it actually happening, but the stories continue to circulate.”
The British did put out a lot of propaganda about the Gurkha's. In fact, the only place the Argentines actually had to face the Gurkha's was on Mount William. The Argentine defenders abandoned their positions rather than face them. Anything regarding 'beheadings' was rubbish as their were no Argentinans for them to behead (should they have wanted to), and no Gurkha would have ever acted so dishonourably as to ignore a white flag.
The only incident that I can find of ignoring the white flag in the Falklands War, was done by the Argentine's, when they flew the white flag at Goose Green and then opened fire on the 2 Para representative who had come forwards to negotiate with them.
Although this incident made British forces weary of white flags, they didn't ignore their obligations under the law of armed conflict.
All of this has been well documented, but like always, people like to embellish stories for whatever reason.
The only case I can find of a Gurkha beheading someone was in Afghanistan. The Gurkha's had been told by the chain of command to bring back proof of any kills of the Taleban. One Gurkha decided the best way to do this was to cut of the head of the guy he'd already killed.
It caused quite a lot of consternation among British authorities, strangely the Afghan authorities thought it was a perfectly reasonable thing to do. Said Gurkha was returned to the UK for a good telling off and re-education in the laws of armed conflict.
It is the tradition amongst Gurkhas that “once the Kukri is drawn blood must be shed”.
However in the absence of any enemies to cut up, they usually just nick a thumb before returning the Kukri to its sheath.
@59 Sussie-no-mates
For a self confessed rabid Anglophobe, you seem to take a great interest in what we think and say!
Have you no friends amongst your own kind?
“[Kirchner] was furious, we are told, because of the lack of full, complete support for Argentina's claim of control of the Falkand Islands,” Newman said.
“We understand she was very, very angry that [leaders] didn't even mention the dispute over the islands with the UK.”
“She was overheard saying, 'This is pointless. Why did I even come here?'”
She does not seem to be much of a stateswoman -
www.aljazeera.com/news/americas/2012/04/201241517107911574.html
l have found the Gurkhas to be perfect gentlemen.
The absolute best friends anyone could ever have.
Loyal, respectful(without being servile),intelligent,brave.
Mind you, l wouldn't like to upset them! lol
#66 I think very few statesmen and women would sound ”states(wo)manlike” if we secretly recorded and broadcast their private off the cuffs; look what happened to Gordon Brown at the last British election. Anyway I don't adore my Queen for being a stateswoman but for being a strong fighter for justice; if some of the right wing leaders left in Latin America had sold her out and turned a blind eye to Cameron's robbing of the natral resources of their own continent, then she had every right to be angry
Are you on drugs?? “turned a blind eye to Cameron's robbing of the natral resources of their own continent”
what kind of trip are you on? I think that you would get the message that no one wants to back the lososing horse...especially if is a nag like KFC
Accept the facts.
Camilla is another example of the old bloodish rubbish english people.
Regards LEPRecon. I think it's standard Int gathering, to obtain a photograph of the face of Taliban killed in contacts. I also belive this particular taliban was a suspected leader. The Gurkha in question didn't have access to a digital camera, so he used his initiative. He was sent home and suitably advised. As for the Gurkha tradition of drawing blood every time they draw the Kukri, I think this is a myth, though it does add to their well earned reputation as fearsome warriors. I believe they use their Kukri for everything from cutting wood too hand to hand combat. Have you heard anyhing different?
What I find most telling is the British reaction to the incident compared to the Afghan reaction. It was almost like another day to them.
@67 - I had the honour to work with the 'scary little buggers' for a short while. Definitely top quality blokes. Never has this country (Britain) had more loyal friends.
And of course the Gurkha motto: 'Better to die, than to live on your knees.'
I remember reading that the Japanese were petrified of the Gurkhas in WW2, so no doubt their reputation as tough warriors is well deserved, but they are also honourable men too.
Agreed, it's a shame on our country that they have not been treated better. Joanna Lumley did a fantastic job and a double shame that she had too. In my opinion it does not go far enough. Any man who shares the same uniform as me and is prepared to die with me, deserves the same pay, pension , rights and entitlements that I have.
I was watching a documentary on the campaign for equal rights for Gurkhas. I think it may have been on Youtube. There was an interview with an ex Gurkha, made to live in Nepal. He was a Corporal, wounded on the Falklands. Shrapnel from a 155mm ripped open his hip, a real nasty wound, he nearly lost his life. After his wound healed, he was medicaly discharged back to Nepal. He had not served long enough to receive a pension. This guy is still suffering from the wound today and needs further treatment and the bastards will not let him into the UK. It's enough to makeyou weep and a fucking national disgrace. Equal rights for all Gurkhas, no matter when or how long they served, that's what I say.
The reason they weren't given equal pay and terms of service had something to do with parity with Indian Gurkha's. Not sure how it works, but I think the Indians were afraid they'd get no Gurkhas joining their mob if we paid better wages. Probably one of the many things agreed on Indian independence.
I'll admit I'm a bit vague on the subject, so I could be barking up the wrong tree.
Nobody is asking you to stop being british, nobody is asking you to change your lifestyle, nobody is asking you to stop living where you want to live.
What do you want?
Don't say Sovereignty,
lts NOT up for discussion.
Your reasoning falls apart when you say “oil under their own waters”.
And you said that you are not a malvinista?
Oh you are, boy, you are.
lt is NOT their waters, its ours.
How about you “sit down & hold talks” with Norway about the sovereignty of the Hebrides, Orkney & the Shetlands?
You say that we offer them nothing,
What do they offer us?.......................nothing but subjugation.
The answer is NO.
Which part of “There will be No Negotiations on Sovereignty” don't you understand?
l will try to help you if you like.
You still did not answer, do you support Scotland “sitting down & negotiating the sovereignty of its outer islands with for example,Norway”
And why not?
You want us to do the exact same thing with Argentina.
And you don't know whats on offer until you talk to them, do you?
Please don't insult our intelligence.
There will be No Negotiations on Sovereignty.
Don't spoil my fun.
l wanted to see what nasty little soozy replied.
Just for you, Soozy:- There will be NO NEGOTIATIONS on OUR SOVEREIGNTY.!!!!!!!
Live with it.
And why not?”
I'm going to answer this one literally: No I don't. Because I don't think Scotland should be independent =)
And l don't think that we'll be bothered “negotiating” our freedom away with a failed rogue state like Argentina.
The british trolls are very offensive.
If you stabb, you will feel the pain.
The continued comments are simply absurd.
Typical of the old bloody rubish english people!
You are extremely offensive & absurd.
Typical offensive person from an absurd country(Argentina)!
Threatening now, are we? ha ha ha
As tough as your Marines who ran like rabbits when they heard that the Gurkhas were coming.
You have nothing important to say, please shut up & go away.
Mercosur did not remove the facts about the old bloody rubish english people. So what I have said is true!
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