Brazil/US defence summit to consider military technology transfer and South Atlantic
Brazil wants the US to eliminate barriers to the transfer of military technology, an issued that will be addressed on Tuesday April 24, in Brasilia when US Secretary of Defence Leon Panetta meets with his peer Celso Amorim.
“It is of great significance that there are no obstacles in the purchase of equipment with high military technology content” said Amorim in statements to Folha de Sao Paulo.
Amorim and Panetta will be meeting on Tuesday in Brasilia to open the new “Cooperation Dialogue in Defence” subscribed during the recent visit of President Dilma Rousseff to Washington and which Brazil hopes it contributes to end with restrictions to technology transfer, according to the Sao Paulo influential daily.
The Brazilian minister recalled the restriction imposed by the US in 2006 to the sale of 24 Super Tucano turbine training aircraft to Venezuela. The Super Tucano is manufactured by Brazil’s leading air industry Embraer but some of its avionics is US made.
Washington then managed to stop the sale because of the US components but it has been an experience very much recalled by Brazil which is currently negotiating a major purchase of 36 fighter jets (several billion dollars contract) with bidders France, Sweden and the US, and for Brazil the priority is the transfer of technology.
Besides, the recent cancelling by the Pentagon of a 380 million dollars contract with Embraer to supply light aircraft for the Afghan Air Force was very much criticized by Brazil, particularly since the decision allegedly was reversed to favour a US company.
Another important issue in the defence bilateral talks between Panetta and Amorim figures the resurgence of the US Fourth Fleet with an area of influence which includes the South Atlantic and Brazil and the rest of the region want to see “free of foreign military presence”.
The US Fourth Fleet is a command of the United States Navy in the South Atlantic, operating as a component of the joint US Southern Command and US Fleet Forces Command.
The Fourth Fleet is based at Mayport Naval Station in Jacksonville, Florida and is responsible for US Navy ships, aircraft and submarines operating in the Caribbean, and Atlantic and Pacific Oceans around Central and South America.
The Fleet began operations again in the summer of 2008 but was not fully staffed until 2009. According to the US State Department the Fourth Fleet's aim is to assist in narcotics interdiction efforts, humanitarian and goodwill interventions, and joint training with regional security partners.
However Brazil considers the South Atlantic strategic and refers to it as the “blue Amazon”, an area which must be limited to the coastal states and no foreign influence.
Panetta will also be talking about coordination of efforts to help combat organized crime and drug trafficking in Central America which seems to be ever increasingly under the influence of the cartels, mainly from Mexico where President Felipe Calderon offensive has forced many of the main groups to move out of the country.
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What next? Does India declare the Indian Ocean an Indian lake.
@4 Not just Venesuela, but backwards corrupt hell-holes like Argentina. Regardless of Brazil's need to ethnically cleanse the South Atlantic of any Britishness (St Helena, Falklands, Ascension, South Georgia, South Sandwich Islands) there is a worrying trend about these 'coastal states' suddenly projecting influence over an area that is already populated with people, the South Atlantic People.
It's just a case of developing states demanding an empire with no consideration to the current populations, and the USA quite understandably concerned about this. The need to militarise the south Atlantic is clearly a policy pushed from Latin America, and not the UK.
Brazillian invasion of Ascension island anyone?
They welcome trade with the rest of the world , plus their politicians are actually statesmen , unlike the collective bunch of thieves that rule
B Aires.
In 30 years' time Argardtina will become the southern provinces of Brazil , and Venezuela the northern ones .
That is assuming the Chinese have not taken it lock stock and barrel as they have parts of Africa.
It's bad enough that the Brazillians are supporting the Argtards but they should not be selling them military kit, which ultimately will be used to shoot British and Falklanders in the next spell of Argtard madness.
Urm...
I don't see the US selling sub-technology to anyone, not least Brazil as the issue with Venezuela has already been raised by some people.
Even older US sub tech would be risky to sell because even while it may not be the latest 'gen' of tech, it'd still be a massive leap from what Brazil has produced before.
@9
It's just another example of Argentinian selective memory.
That is assuming the Chinese have not taken it lock stock and barrel as they have parts of Africa.
Wrong,pirate.uk will become a province of Argentina.Losers!
uk is FINISHED!
www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbLfje8_jgI
AHHHAHHAHAHHAHAAH,poor ex-pirates!
Papanetta? :-))))))
I am not over yet.
I have more “good news” for uk this year!!
Keep dreaming losers!
Business are business.uk was selling any weapons to the military in Argentina up to 1982.....
@5 You are right, it is an indication of the way things are going, lead by China and Argentina.
Patrolling British Nuclear subs with underwater launch cruise missiles and the dispatch of a type 45 Destroyer are not just messages for Argentina.
The British are a South Atlantic Nation, whether Argentina ever accepts this or not is largely irrelevant now, Brazil is clearly working the assumption the Brits are there to stay.
Planning there defence needs accordingly.
The idea that Brazil is increasing it's defence spending directly because of the British presence in the Falklands is silly.
Brazil has substantial offshore oil/gas reserves and some see that as an incentive to produce long range + big endurance ships (like nuclear powered subs) to protect these assets.
Brazil is a developing global economic power, and as such sees the benefit of developing its own internal defence industry because not only would said development decrease dependence on foreign suppliers in the time of a crisis, but it would be an economic boost to Brazil providing jobs + revenue (wouldn't be suprised to see other SA countries getting ships built in Brazilian shipyards). Not to mention that Brazil knows that the defence industry is worth billions, they have the money (+ soon the knowledge) to develop more complex defence systems which would be worth a massive amount in potential exports (especially to other SA countries)
If it can produce indiginous frigates/destroyers for a reasonable price + capability with all home-built bells and whistles, that'd be a BIG seller in South America (and other parts of the world)
The 'prophet of doom' in me looks at the world map and imagines just how much potential havoc 4 Brazilian subs (or in fact just a well developed Brazilian navy with an aircraft carrier, which is on the agenda i think, could do to a RN taskforce trying to reach the islands (in response to a future invasion)
I must emphasise that the last scenario, i don't see happening + weighing up the options it would most likely not have a 'massive' impact but it'd be an interesting scenario to look at none-the-less.
Americans never give “” t “” of technology even to its allies let alone commodity poored countries...
Never heard of trident?
Never heard of Poseidon?
and all because of the lady in mourning,
CFK hells secret weapon .
Unless Argentina updates it's armed forces then ANYONE who views conflict as being an actual possibility is a fool.
Rob. You got that right and they could not do that without being noticed.
Anyone caught bribing for votes to be jailed without trial for 6 months.
It will never happen though.
This only show how decadent and stupid the brits are....
Those decadent, stupid Brits kicked your scrawny little arse and sent you packing back where you came from, with your miserable little tails tucked between your legs. Send your girlies next time, they are obviously are more up to it than your men.
Yeah! This was the guy that said something imprudent about Argentina and then he has to apologise like a child to CFK govt.
“The CIA's Panetta begs Argentina's forgiveness”
www.speroforum.com/site/article.asp?idCategory=33&idsub=192&id=18322&t=The+CIA's+Panetta+begs+Argentina's+forgiveness
Well to be honest seems Papanetta is apologising to everyone on these days.
“Defense Secretary Leon Panetta apologized on Wednesday for photographs that appeared in an American newspaper of U.S. soldiers posing with the maimed bodies of dead Afghan insurgents.”
www.reuters.com/article/2012/04/18/us-afghanistan-photographs-latimes-panet-idUSBRE83H10V20120418
Any real Brits out there? just wonder?
Just read the article, Timmerman attributes the word “Beg” to Leon Panetta. This is not actually a quote from Panetta. Which I would sooner believe than anything Timmerman says. Sorry, but I just don't see the yanks begging anything from anyone. Sincerely apologising, yes, but begging, sorry, no. Unless you can point me somewhere else. Then I'm quite willing to accept this as fact.
“I wish to ask forgiveness of the government and the country” said the new CIA chief
www.ciawatch.net/2009/03/01/the-cias-panetta-begs-argentinas-forgiveness-spero-news/
“I do not believe what I said and neither does the government of the United States. It was my mistake to repeat something that someone told me. It was not my intention to assume that thought as my own,”
www.thecuttingedgenews.com/index.php?article=11119&pageid=17&pagename=News
What do you want a tape recording? Who the hell knows if he use the word beg or please or wish or what ever.
Please love, forgive me, I promise you I will not go to party with my friends and get drunk any more.
Now ask your girlfriend/wife is that is not begging. Even if there is not “beg” word in it ha ha.
Too right, the second even a single modern ship or aircraft reaches Argentina then the UK will know about it.
After all, one doesn't modernise an entire air force + naval fleet without people knowing about it.
..the war heads are ours....... ?
Which war ?....first know your place before speaking ...
NATO is USA....who are you ..?
Fools
Their happens to be millions in Argentina, does you know,
But only one is rigid .
.
trouble is fools never seem to learn lol.
It would be “silly” to think that Brazilian military thinking did not include contingency plans for conflict with the British.
Brazil is looking at how to defend its new found, vital and venerable, off shore oil/gas in the S Atlantic against all comers. As Britain currently is the biggest military (in terms of capability) in the S Atlantic, they must be in the plan. Not rocket science.
Making a submarine nuclear powered in itself simply increases the endurance of the vessel, if you cannot also make it silent running and stealth capable, it is easier to find and sink than some conventional subs.
I do not foresee the “Prophet of Doom” scenario happening either, however it does have to be considered by militaries.
The British, like the Brazilians, also have to look at how to defend their territory and interests in the “Blue Amazon” or “Mar Argentino”.
Unless of course the Brizilians are thinking they might be attacked by Argentina.
Briton word tells nothing us...
First .. explain what you are ...
Are you English ?..Scot ?...Welsh ?...N.Irish ?
Under the official secrets act, sorry .
[and you were born ??]
Your using language is Bristishlish ?
And your “using language” would seem to be a dialect of Bullshitlish.
Try using your native Plutonianlish.
“Unless of course the Brizilians are thinking they might be attacked by Argentina.”
I thought they were, when you consider what the Mad Bitch is up to with import restrictions!
We use different letters not known by you earthlings..i use latin letters to perceive their voices...
For example /sample sentences
Where are you from ?..... Razt lere kein ohme kayt ?
What is your name ? ..... Refke kunra rek ?
Where are you going to ?.... Vone tehen pa ratme kayt?
What is this ? .... Senke oiten rek ?
your not borg are you,
we have a few daleks and cybermen platoons in the UK , just in case .
ya never know .
Tape recording is strip or ribbon plastic based impregnated with magnetic ferrous material particles used in old Reel to reel or open reel tape recording machines.
Like those used in old movies by FBI to record “Cosa nostra” (Mafia) conversations.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ton_S.b,_tape_unit.jpg
If you don’t know what is “Cosa Nostra” here the story. When Sicilian Mafia bosses were caught by US police they responded to interrogatories saying “e’ cosa nostra” (Is our business) and “non è Cosa Nostra” (Is not our business).
I guess the polices were not skilled on languages so they classified Sicilian criminals as member of the mafia organisation called “Cosa Nostra”.
So there you are “La cosa nostra”
Be careful what you say about the family, Capice!
Sure, it may be a relevant factor in their decisions but the point i was TRYING to get across was that the main feature of increasing their defence budget is for the economic + global benefits that I outlined above, creating an effective navy is what most powerful countries in the world have.
A destroyer + submarine rattling around the Falklands means little in the grand scheme of things for Brazil, countering the British presence is a by-product of their other, more valuable, enterprises.
Obviously any Brazilian submarines aren't going to be as 'stealthy' as an Astute or whatever, i do appreciate the kind of skills/tech to build an Astute isn't something you just find.
There is a big difference between brazil argentine,//and say USA Russia and china,
The last 3 feel they have something to protect, or something to take,
In the case of Brazil and argentine,[ except ] for EACH other, who are or would be their enemies,
Why would they need a big powerful military except for aggressive reasons perhaps?
This is not the Middle East,
But I suspect, and only my opinion, that if Brazil did become a powerful country,
I can see 2 things happening,
The first is military conflict,
The 2nd, is military conflict, but with argentine influence and pressure,
.
The point I am making is that from a military standpoint that cannot be the case.
That “submarine rattling around the Falklands” has the capacity to completely destroy all Brazils offshore assets many times over, from 800 nautical miles away, and nothing they could do about it.
Try searching that amount of ocean for a modern stealth sub, even if you have a means of detecting it.
A navy cannot be considered effective if it cannot defend the countries most vital economic assets, against whomever.
Whilst I agree countering British capabilities is not top of their agenda, it cannot however be considered “a by-product”.
Interestingly enough the Brazilian subs do nothing for their ability to defend against the British, but add considerably to their ability to project a presence in the “Blue Amazon”
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