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Brazil/US defence summit to consider military technology transfer and South Atlantic
Brazil wants the US to eliminate barriers to the transfer of military technology, an issued that will be addressed on Tuesday April 24, in Brasilia when US Secretary of Defence Leon Panetta meets with his peer Celso Amorim. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesPapanetta thinking what I gonna do.. what I gonna do now?
Apr 24th, 2012 - 05:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0I think the Brazilians are on a hiding to nothing with their idea of a Brazilian/Argentine lake in the South Atlantic. The US has an important base on Ascension Island and Britain is a major coastal state with its numerous islands in the mid and south Atlantic.European countries have been sailing those waters for at least 500 years.
Apr 24th, 2012 - 06:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0What next? Does India declare the Indian Ocean an Indian lake.
So the Pentagon favours buying US aircraft, nothing new there. The US has always favoured American companies, Amercican contracts equal American jobs. As for the technology, The yanks would to well to consider who the Brazilians, as in the Tucano case, sell it on to.
Apr 24th, 2012 - 07:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hardly surprising the Americans are nervous when the Brazilians try to ship their technology on to Venezuela.
Apr 24th, 2012 - 08:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0@2 You're right. But China declares the whole South China Sea as being Chinese. So this behaviour is quite common, and worrying.
Apr 24th, 2012 - 08:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0@4 Not just Venesuela, but backwards corrupt hell-holes like Argentina. Regardless of Brazil's need to ethnically cleanse the South Atlantic of any Britishness (St Helena, Falklands, Ascension, South Georgia, South Sandwich Islands) there is a worrying trend about these 'coastal states' suddenly projecting influence over an area that is already populated with people, the South Atlantic People.
It's just a case of developing states demanding an empire with no consideration to the current populations, and the USA quite understandably concerned about this. The need to militarise the south Atlantic is clearly a policy pushed from Latin America, and not the UK.
Brazillian invasion of Ascension island anyone?
GY : Brazil , unlike Agtardina , are not that stupid as to try to take Ascencion.
Apr 24th, 2012 - 09:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0They welcome trade with the rest of the world , plus their politicians are actually statesmen , unlike the collective bunch of thieves that rule
B Aires.
In 30 years' time Argardtina will become the southern provinces of Brazil , and Venezuela the northern ones .
That is assuming the Chinese have not taken it lock stock and barrel as they have parts of Africa.
@6 I'm just referring to the messaging being used by the Brazillian government, which reflects similar messaging used by Argentina to dictate that the South Atlantic is Argentine. These two messages completely take into account in no way the current occupants of said territory.
Apr 24th, 2012 - 10:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0It's bad enough that the Brazillians are supporting the Argtards but they should not be selling them military kit, which ultimately will be used to shoot British and Falklanders in the next spell of Argtard madness.
I think the Brazilians will be particularly interested in obtaining American Submarine technology for the nulear boats they are buiding. After all a nuclear powered boat is not that difficult to build, by a technolocal state with the money. All that power plant does is increase their range and endurance. It is the technology that is contained in them that sets them apart from other nations boats. Lets face it, US and UK boats are some of the best.
Apr 24th, 2012 - 11:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0@8 But building nuclear subs isn't militarising the south atlantic of course.
Apr 24th, 2012 - 12:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Urm...
@8
Apr 24th, 2012 - 01:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't see the US selling sub-technology to anyone, not least Brazil as the issue with Venezuela has already been raised by some people.
Even older US sub tech would be risky to sell because even while it may not be the latest 'gen' of tech, it'd still be a massive leap from what Brazil has produced before.
@9
It's just another example of Argentinian selective memory.
In 30 years' time Argardtina will become the southern provinces of Brazil , and Venezuela the northern ones .
Apr 24th, 2012 - 03:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That is assuming the Chinese have not taken it lock stock and barrel as they have parts of Africa.
Wrong,pirate.uk will become a province of Argentina.Losers!
uk is FINISHED!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbLfje8_jgI
AHHHAHHAHAHHAHAAH,poor ex-pirates!
1 DanyBerger (#)
Apr 24th, 2012 - 03:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Papanetta? :-))))))
@11 Malninero1. That's a vast improvement on UK scum. Keep it up.
Apr 24th, 2012 - 03:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@11 Malninero1. That's a vast improvement on UK scum. Keep it up.
Apr 24th, 2012 - 04:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am not over yet.
I have more “good news” for uk this year!!
Keep dreaming losers!
I cannot imagine the US selling military technology to Brasil, with or without Argentina. Not while Brasil has a president with a terrorist past: the American people would not stand for it.
Apr 24th, 2012 - 04:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I cannot imagine the US selling military technology to Brasil, with or without Argentina. Not while Brasil has a president with a terrorist past: the American people would not stand for it.
Apr 24th, 2012 - 05:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Business are business.uk was selling any weapons to the military in Argentina up to 1982.....
@16. Very true, and many were returned to us, only not the way we expected or wanted, for that matter.
Apr 24th, 2012 - 05:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Blue Amazon”, a forlorn hope for Papanatas and Brazil.
Apr 24th, 2012 - 06:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@5 You are right, it is an indication of the way things are going, lead by China and Argentina.
Patrolling British Nuclear subs with underwater launch cruise missiles and the dispatch of a type 45 Destroyer are not just messages for Argentina.
The British are a South Atlantic Nation, whether Argentina ever accepts this or not is largely irrelevant now, Brazil is clearly working the assumption the Brits are there to stay.
Planning there defence needs accordingly.
The Falkland Islanders are there to stay. The British are their to defend their rights as a BOT previously invaded by a foreign power. Unless of course you think they have territorial ambitions in the area?
Apr 24th, 2012 - 07:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@18
Apr 24th, 2012 - 08:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The idea that Brazil is increasing it's defence spending directly because of the British presence in the Falklands is silly.
Brazil has substantial offshore oil/gas reserves and some see that as an incentive to produce long range + big endurance ships (like nuclear powered subs) to protect these assets.
Brazil is a developing global economic power, and as such sees the benefit of developing its own internal defence industry because not only would said development decrease dependence on foreign suppliers in the time of a crisis, but it would be an economic boost to Brazil providing jobs + revenue (wouldn't be suprised to see other SA countries getting ships built in Brazilian shipyards). Not to mention that Brazil knows that the defence industry is worth billions, they have the money (+ soon the knowledge) to develop more complex defence systems which would be worth a massive amount in potential exports (especially to other SA countries)
If it can produce indiginous frigates/destroyers for a reasonable price + capability with all home-built bells and whistles, that'd be a BIG seller in South America (and other parts of the world)
The 'prophet of doom' in me looks at the world map and imagines just how much potential havoc 4 Brazilian subs (or in fact just a well developed Brazilian navy with an aircraft carrier, which is on the agenda i think, could do to a RN taskforce trying to reach the islands (in response to a future invasion)
I must emphasise that the last scenario, i don't see happening + weighing up the options it would most likely not have a 'massive' impact but it'd be an interesting scenario to look at none-the-less.
Here are the non expert chatters...
Apr 24th, 2012 - 08:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Americans never give “” t “” of technology even to its allies let alone commodity poored countries...
@21
Apr 24th, 2012 - 09:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Never heard of trident?
@22
Apr 24th, 2012 - 09:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Never heard of Poseidon?
Submarine launched ballistic missile. UK's nuclear deterent. Updated version of polaris, developed by US of A and supplied to the UK. The technology is theirs, the war heads are ours. You were saying!!!!!
Apr 24th, 2012 - 10:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0time is nearing for another conflict,
Apr 24th, 2012 - 10:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0and all because of the lady in mourning,
CFK hells secret weapon .
@25
Apr 24th, 2012 - 10:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Unless Argentina updates it's armed forces then ANYONE who views conflict as being an actual possibility is a fool.
@26
Apr 25th, 2012 - 06:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0Rob. You got that right and they could not do that without being noticed.
The only sensible use for the 100,000 standing Arg Military force would be to subdue BA, remove the government and arrange for FREE elections within 12 months.
Apr 25th, 2012 - 11:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0Anyone caught bribing for votes to be jailed without trial for 6 months.
It will never happen though.
16. Very true, and many were returned to us, only not the way we expected or wanted, for that matter
Apr 25th, 2012 - 12:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This only show how decadent and stupid the brits are....
@29. Henceforth I am going to call you POLLY. I'f you insist on acting like a Parrot, I'm going to treat you like one.
Apr 25th, 2012 - 01:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Those decadent, stupid Brits kicked your scrawny little arse and sent you packing back where you came from, with your miserable little tails tucked between your legs. Send your girlies next time, they are obviously are more up to it than your men.
@Marcos Alejandro
Apr 25th, 2012 - 01:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yeah! This was the guy that said something imprudent about Argentina and then he has to apologise like a child to CFK govt.
“The CIA's Panetta begs Argentina's forgiveness”
http://www.speroforum.com/site/article.asp?idCategory=33&idsub=192&id=18322&t=The+CIA's+Panetta+begs+Argentina's+forgiveness
Well to be honest seems Papanetta is apologising to everyone on these days.
“Defense Secretary Leon Panetta apologized on Wednesday for photographs that appeared in an American newspaper of U.S. soldiers posing with the maimed bodies of dead Afghan insurgents.”
http://www.speroforum.com/site/article.asp?idCategory=33&idsub=192&id=18322&t=The+CIA's+Panetta+begs+Argentina's+forgiveness
Any real Brits out there? just wonder?
@31
Apr 25th, 2012 - 02:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just read the article, Timmerman attributes the word “Beg” to Leon Panetta. This is not actually a quote from Panetta. Which I would sooner believe than anything Timmerman says. Sorry, but I just don't see the yanks begging anything from anyone. Sincerely apologising, yes, but begging, sorry, no. Unless you can point me somewhere else. Then I'm quite willing to accept this as fact.
@reality check
Apr 25th, 2012 - 04:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“I wish to ask forgiveness of the government and the country” said the new CIA chief
http://www.ciawatch.net/2009/03/01/the-cias-panetta-begs-argentinas-forgiveness-spero-news/
“I do not believe what I said and neither does the government of the United States. It was my mistake to repeat something that someone told me. It was not my intention to assume that thought as my own,”
http://www.ciawatch.net/2009/03/01/the-cias-panetta-begs-argentinas-forgiveness-spero-news/
What do you want a tape recording? Who the hell knows if he use the word beg or please or wish or what ever.
Please love, forgive me, I promise you I will not go to party with my friends and get drunk any more.
Now ask your girlfriend/wife is that is not begging. Even if there is not “beg” word in it ha ha.
@27 reality check
Apr 25th, 2012 - 06:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Too right, the second even a single modern ship or aircraft reaches Argentina then the UK will know about it.
After all, one doesn't modernise an entire air force + naval fleet without people knowing about it.
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Apr 25th, 2012 - 06:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0..the war heads are ours....... ?
Which war ?....first know your place before speaking ...
NATO is USA....who are you ..?
26 RobWilliams
Apr 25th, 2012 - 06:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Fools
Their happens to be millions in Argentina, does you know,
But only one is rigid .
.
trouble is fools never seem to learn lol.
@20 RobWilliams
Apr 25th, 2012 - 06:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It would be “silly” to think that Brazilian military thinking did not include contingency plans for conflict with the British.
Brazil is looking at how to defend its new found, vital and venerable, off shore oil/gas in the S Atlantic against all comers. As Britain currently is the biggest military (in terms of capability) in the S Atlantic, they must be in the plan. Not rocket science.
Making a submarine nuclear powered in itself simply increases the endurance of the vessel, if you cannot also make it silent running and stealth capable, it is easier to find and sink than some conventional subs.
I do not foresee the “Prophet of Doom” scenario happening either, however it does have to be considered by militaries.
The British, like the Brazilians, also have to look at how to defend their territory and interests in the “Blue Amazon” or “Mar Argentino”.
Unless of course the Brizilians are thinking they might be attacked by Argentina.
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Apr 25th, 2012 - 06:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Briton word tells nothing us...
First .. explain what you are ...
Are you English ?..Scot ?...Welsh ?...N.Irish ?
Im British, and that’s all im aloud to tell you,
Apr 25th, 2012 - 07:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Under the official secrets act, sorry .
[and you were born ??]
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Apr 25th, 2012 - 07:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your using language is Bristishlish ?
@40 Max
Apr 25th, 2012 - 08:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And your “using language” would seem to be a dialect of Bullshitlish.
Try using your native Plutonianlish.
37 Pugol-H
Apr 25th, 2012 - 08:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Unless of course the Brizilians are thinking they might be attacked by Argentina.”
I thought they were, when you consider what the Mad Bitch is up to with import restrictions!
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Apr 25th, 2012 - 08:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We use different letters not known by you earthlings..i use latin letters to perceive their voices...
For example /sample sentences
Where are you from ?..... Razt lere kein ohme kayt ?
What is your name ? ..... Refke kunra rek ?
Where are you going to ?.... Vone tehen pa ratme kayt?
What is this ? .... Senke oiten rek ?
@33 DB. Asking and begging are two entirely different things, consult your english dictiopnary/thesarus. No, I do not what a tape recording, nor do I want hearsay. You know what that is, basicaly it is the 2nd party, telling the 3rd party what they heard the 1st first party say. In this case the 2nd party Timmerman. is telling the 3rd Party the press what was said, who in turn are telling the 4th party, you what the 1st party said. Now if the 1st party Panneta, was make an admission to the 3rd party the press, that this is what they said to the 2nd party Timmerman, then the 5th party me, would acknowledge to you th 4th party, that this was infact what the 1st party said. I think you would find this acceptable to the 1st,2nd,3rd, 4th and 5th parties.
Apr 25th, 2012 - 09:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 043 Max
Apr 25th, 2012 - 10:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0your not borg are you,
we have a few daleks and cybermen platoons in the UK , just in case .
ya never know .
@eality check
Apr 26th, 2012 - 07:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0Tape recording is strip or ribbon plastic based impregnated with magnetic ferrous material particles used in old Reel to reel or open reel tape recording machines.
Like those used in old movies by FBI to record “Cosa nostra” (Mafia) conversations.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ton_S.b,_tape_unit.jpg
If you don’t know what is “Cosa Nostra” here the story. When Sicilian Mafia bosses were caught by US police they responded to interrogatories saying “e’ cosa nostra” (Is our business) and “non è Cosa Nostra” (Is not our business).
I guess the polices were not skilled on languages so they classified Sicilian criminals as member of the mafia organisation called “Cosa Nostra”.
So there you are “La cosa nostra”
@46DB
Apr 26th, 2012 - 10:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0Be careful what you say about the family, Capice!
@37
Apr 26th, 2012 - 11:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0Sure, it may be a relevant factor in their decisions but the point i was TRYING to get across was that the main feature of increasing their defence budget is for the economic + global benefits that I outlined above, creating an effective navy is what most powerful countries in the world have.
A destroyer + submarine rattling around the Falklands means little in the grand scheme of things for Brazil, countering the British presence is a by-product of their other, more valuable, enterprises.
Obviously any Brazilian submarines aren't going to be as 'stealthy' as an Astute or whatever, i do appreciate the kind of skills/tech to build an Astute isn't something you just find.
You do not need a big military without reason,
Apr 26th, 2012 - 05:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There is a big difference between brazil argentine,//and say USA Russia and china,
The last 3 feel they have something to protect, or something to take,
In the case of Brazil and argentine,[ except ] for EACH other, who are or would be their enemies,
Why would they need a big powerful military except for aggressive reasons perhaps?
This is not the Middle East,
But I suspect, and only my opinion, that if Brazil did become a powerful country,
I can see 2 things happening,
The first is military conflict,
The 2nd, is military conflict, but with argentine influence and pressure,
.
@48 RobWilliams
Apr 26th, 2012 - 07:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The point I am making is that from a military standpoint that cannot be the case.
That “submarine rattling around the Falklands” has the capacity to completely destroy all Brazils offshore assets many times over, from 800 nautical miles away, and nothing they could do about it.
Try searching that amount of ocean for a modern stealth sub, even if you have a means of detecting it.
A navy cannot be considered effective if it cannot defend the countries most vital economic assets, against whomever.
Whilst I agree countering British capabilities is not top of their agenda, it cannot however be considered “a by-product”.
Interestingly enough the Brazilian subs do nothing for their ability to defend against the British, but add considerably to their ability to project a presence in the “Blue Amazon”
And thus militarising a peaceful Atlantic ocean ..
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