Falkland Islands: Reaction to Argentine Olympic Advert
We were very disappointed this morning to see the advert from the Argentine Presidential Office, attempting to politicise the Olympics in service of their territorial ambitions. This video was filmed without the knowledge of the Falkland Islands authorities.
It is deeply sad to see Mr Zylberberg clambering over a war memorial, especially in this anniversary year. Sadly, this illustrates the disrespect the Argentine authorities have for our home and our people. Unsurprisingly, at no stage does the video feature any Falkland Islanders – a clear reflection of Argentina’s policy, which is to pretend that the people of the Falkland Islands do not exist. It is time the world took note – we do exist, and as with all people we have rights, which the Argentine Government is trying to deny us. We are our own people, who through nine generations have lived and worked in these islands for nearly 200 years.
We determine our own future, and we will not be bullied by the Argentine Government, neither by their attempts to undermine our economy, nor by their constant misrepresentation of the truth, nor by pieces of cheap and disrespectful propaganda such as this. It is hugely disappointing to see sport abused in this way, when it is so often seen as a vehicle for unity. It seems an act of desperation to sink to this.
Hon. Ian Hansen
Member of the Legislative Assembly
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Sir, show them the true way a politician should act, with dignity and respect.
The Falklands for the Falkland Islanders forever.
Give arg-peace and Ethnic Cleansing a chance? (answer: no)
Every time a member of the FIG makes a statement they maintain an impressively high standard.
How is it that 3000 people can find amongst their number more people with genuine skills of statesmanship and leadership than their neighbours appear to be able to find from a population of 40million?
Visa fraud is a very serious issue, and this case clearly needs some of the rubber-glove treatment.
@3&5 Ethnic cleaning? Look how many british people live happy in Argentina (appart from islanders) and stop talking non-sense.
There are no british people on the spot, because it´s not the people what is in question. It´s about the occupied territory. People can leave or stay.
It's that word again “disappointed” although Wills said “disappointing” That's twice in one day. I am wondering how many more times the world is going to be “disappointed” with Argentinaland before they get the message and sort themselves out.........
It might not look good for the FIG (and thus the UK) if they barred Argentinian citizens from entering the Falklands
About the ''ethnic cleansing” bit, as much as some Argentines try to say this isn't happening, i remember reading an article about Argentinian troops arriving on the Falklands expecting to find a Spanish speaking population welcoming them as liberators, rather than the English-speaking citizens treating them with deep animosity and suspicion.
@8
Like it or not, as much as Malvinistas would like to sweep the population under the rug (or drop them out of airplanes), their opinions do matter, more so than most Argentinians warped sense of history. Not to mention that the 'occupated territory' theory only works if you take an EXTREMELY limited view from 1833 onwards.
Not Anti-British? I seem to recall CFK trying to get people to stop importing British goods? Or is that a 'conspiracy theory from the pirates'?
@10 'islas malvinas' by his name shows you how he's willing to tell lies to make a point. It's quite clear from their messaging that their plan would be to completely clear the falklands of any british in order to prevent the issue of self-determination that they hate so much in argentina, from ever raising it's ugly head again. The fact they intend for all the radio stations to speak spanish and do no end of Argentinian flag saluting, just outlines their fascist agenda.
Some liar saying otherwise is just nonsense.
True, i'm just an easy guy to bait i suppose :P I guess it's slightly amusing just to see just how far they twist the truth to suit their ends.
@12
1333? I suggest you update your figures from whatever site you're getting them from, it's more like 3000. The Falklands want an esablished working relationship with Argentina (as does the UK), it's only the pig-headedness of the Argentinian government that stops things going anywhere and you're a fool if you think otherwise.
Having disposed of the threat of biological contamination, you can recover the land! Then you can take a tip from Heathrow. Minimum period for immigration clearance for possible argies entering the Falkland Islands - 5 hours. Argies denied entry clearance to be subject to immediate removal. Toss them in the sea 5 miles offshore. Argies with entry clearance to wear a piece of paper printed with a target on the front and rear of their clothing. Removal of the target to be grounds for immediate removal as above. Maximum entry clearance period to be 1 hour. All argie “travellers” to be subject to public strip-search and manual internal examination. They like it up 'em!
Always remember to treat them as they would like to treat you. As untermenschen. Non-persons. Always remember that, within your territory, you are sovereign. Apart form ensuring “good governance”, Britain has no responsibility within your borders. Do whatever you like!
Dear oh dear, you are so very brainwashed. Your claim based on proximity is infantile. Your claim based on expelled population is wholly untrue, your own history spells it out for you but your own government feeds you lies as a smoke screen to its own disastrous policies.
The video is not a private joke thing but it has the rubber stamp of Argentina's juvenile government and is ominously dark.
The dark messaging of this video is the important part. The town is quiet because it symbolises the irradication of the population. His celebration on the beach symbolises the celebration of the Argtard need to 'own' that lebensraum. It's just a horribly dark piece of work.
I guess that's why I'm glad I'm not an argtard, and have none of their DNA.
However as long as Arg has this levering point you will always have this type of problem useing the war graves as an excuse to allow free travel. Then strict border regulations should be engaged and reason for entry required.
I know this might seem extreem, but you have to remember they are the enemy, they are trying to annex your country and will use any means capable to do so.
KEEP THEM OUT!!
I'm relatively sure they have to give reasons for entry like 'work' (making an advert) and 'pleasure' (running a marathon) so, anyone who overtly and provably lies on their form should get the ban-hammer and suitable rubber-gloving at entry-points to friendly countries.
It would indeed, if KFC hasn't got the respect to let them RIP then for sure, into a container with KFC's address on it.
”anyone who overtly and provably lies on their form should get the ban-hammer and suitable rubber-gloving at entry-points to friendly countries.“
I can hear the ”thwack” of the rubber gloves, with an image of a heavily sweating Arg bent over. :)
P.S. 1982 Uti Possidetis - What you win, you keep.
@20 It's going to be difficult for him to be an Olympian after having experienced Big-Reg's check for drugs, and then thrown in the slammer for visa fraud.
@ 15 The UN, Marcosur, Unasur, CELAC, Latinamerican-African-Asian forums and summmits, G77 plus China urges the UK to sit and settle the dispute peacefuly recognizinc Argentina´s rights over the islands. Are you suggesting the entire world is barinwashed by argentine propaganda? That would be a little hard to believe, wouldn´t it? There must be something that makes the world support Argentina. Have you taken a minute to think about it?
@ 17 “KEEP THEM OUT” ... and then you talk about ethnic cleaning...
We are far from ashamed for holding colonies because we do'nt, we are however very proud of our overseas territories which have all proved to be quite resourseful & democratic in running thier own affairs.
All our overseas territories have the right to be independent, they choose to maintain ties as their right to self determination & that right over rides territorial integrity (colonialist Arg).
Sorry fella your on a no win situation.
@23 It's just the Argtard repeated dialogue. They think they own it, they're told from birth they own the islands. They think ethnic cleansing is good. They think the islanders have absolutely no rights. They think ... blah. Same story, over and over.
Better just stick to the topic about their Nazi propaganda.
May 03rd, 2012 - 03:38 pm
Do you consider that you have the right to self determination in Argentina?
Maybe you should research the meaning of “ETHNIC CLEANSING”
OK maybe a little help...
Ethnic cleansing is a purposeful policy designed by one ethnic or religious group to remove by violent and terror-inspiring means the civilian population of another ethnic or religious group from certain geographic areas.
Did I state “remove”? No I didn't, Argentines who live there peacefully should remain happily, however the rest of you should be banned.
Malvinas is an archipielago in argentine sea. Take a look at a map.
UN about Malvinas: NON-SELF GOVERNING TERRITORY in a PARTICULAR COLONIAL SITUATION. No mention to self determination rights to islanders. Research further and stop teling lies.
Sorry Falklanders, These are the moments that i feel so ashamed of the conduct of this government.
No, not all argies aproves things like this, specially those that like me, have 1982 stamped in their minds and souls forever.
Now, what would be the “ethnic or religious group” trying to remove by violent and terror-inspiring means the civilian population of Malvinas?
I quote an extract from you here “It´s about the occupied territory. People can leave or stay.” Amerindians the Mapuche, Toba, Huarpe, Pilaga, Selknam or Guarani etc, could have a word or two for your ears re your deep thoughts on this issue regarding occupied territory and should they feel safe in doing so? I for one would like you to share them with us. The Falkland Islanders are of course going to “stay”and people such as your good self would be well advised to “leave” them alone.
Thankfully not all Argentinian people (in fact a great many of them) do not share your somewhat one sided and blinkered views re the history of the Falklands etc, and so I hold out great hope for the future of your fair country. It will of course be a future that does not include ownership of the Falkland Islands, or the building of a shanty town....(you know the one where the poor people have to build one on top of another with no mains gas, electricity, water or sewage system) adjoining Port Stanley such as you have in Buenos Aires, or the imposition of a frankly vicious Police Force..
Please do let us know the views (I'm assuming that they are allowed to have them?) of the Amerindians in your part of South America!
The shanty town in your capital city ??? just go to you tube and search “Shanty town Buenos Aires” you will find that it was filmed by a fellow countryman of yours..One with a conscience and the ability to see and comment on the fate of his fellow creatures in your country...in case you can't be bothered here is the link..www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pn1BrOobG9w
We know. In fact you've demonstrated more dignity, humility and respect than some of your politicians/diplomatics in just the six lines you've written here.
Any chance of you running for office?
I am frankly ashamed of being Argentine, whilst being represented by Kretina and her cohorts.
I can only speak for myself, but I humbly ask the forgiveness of the Falkland Islanders and the British people for the totally bad taste shown by my Government.
National self-determination challenges the principle of territorial integrity (or sovereignty) of states as it is the will of the people that makes a state legitimate. This implies a people should be free to choose their own state and its territorial boundaries. According to the Helsinki Final Act of 1975, the “UN, ICJ and international law” experts, there is no contradiction between the principles of self-determination and territorial integrity, with 'the latter taking precedence.'
Only your silly and out dated 'Decolonisation commitee' claims it is still a colony, it has been proven time and time again the UN backs the FI right to self determination...
Game over!
The only people arguing otherwise are Argtards, and Argtardian pseudo-scholars.
“America is ungovernable. Those who served the revolution have plowed the sea. The only thing to do in America is to emigrate.”
”Hispanic America is subject to the “triple yoke of ignorance, tyranny, and vice.”
Maybe you think this is from some coward latinamerican man...but no. These wise words came from someone that liberated half of Southamerica from Spain.
Two countries in South America were named after this Great Man while he was still alive.
Even an actual Tyrant claims that he follows his ideals.
He was Simon Bolivar, The Liberator, as he is known in Latinamerica, a month before his death.
And i followed those wise words after 37 years of plowing the sea.
Now, what would be the “ethnic or religious group” trying to remove by violent and terror-inspiring means the civilian population of Malvinas?”
I think you're getting a tad confused here Brainless...
@22 Brainless Malv “@ 17 “KEEP THEM OUT” ... and then you talk about ethnic cleaning...”
Keeping You retards out is not ethnic cleansing, in my opinion it would be a smart move on behalf of FIG. You have abused the hospitality of the Islanders to allow the families of the war dead to visit their loved ones graves & like the low life scum you are have used this hospitality to engage in cheap propaganda.
I have no wonder the decent Argies bow thier heads in shame, you are a disgrace.
“urges the UK to sit and settle the dispute peacefuly recognizinc Argentina´s rights over the islands”
Where you're going wrong is assuming these groups all support Argentine claims - they don't - they simply support a peaceful solution.
Standing on the picket line of- you name it, it will soon have one, AND watching the young men of La Camping, camping it up with the massed brigades of illiterate commie-homo-economics 'expert' now 'running' New YPF into the ground with his companion, 'The Old Git Lawmaker' himself.
I imagine it would run to packed houses in Argentina.
Rule 1.5.22 Ignore any Argtardian demands.
Well said, that man!
A difference which plenty of Malvinistas appear to prefer to ignore.
That's why La Campora are arg-peacefully bombing EU offices and the Front for Tyranny are arg-peacefully harassing british parlimentarians by expressing the Argtard dislike of human rights in an international conference on Human Rights.
The key to the whole thing is to understand the meaning of the Arg-terms.
Well. spend less time drinking at Victory bar get up earlier and join Fernando.
www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=lSlyQp9NAoM
This is going to be nothing more than a propaganda black-hole for the Argentine government (again for the 14th millionth time...)
Apparently the RG's bar is called The 'Humiliated Impotant Saloon'
Its located hundreds of miles away in RG land, prices are sky high in the saloon but become a Troll or vote for Reichmistress and you will get a free drink or food parcels.
Yeah, curse the US for trying to build schools and electrical + water purficiation systems. . . . . .wait.
Afghanistan would have been a better example tbh.
However, I personally find Argtards like yourself quite tiresome. You talk of having beers in a pub, but let's face it no one would talk to you because you'd try to steal their pint.
U.S. Sergeant on SEAL team 'shoots dead nine sleeping Afghan children before burning their bodies' in deadly rampage that killed 16
Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2113410/US-soldier-kills-16-Afghan-civilians-deadly-shooting-rampage.html#ixzz1tphbV5x1
You'll find much more deliberate state killing of their own civilians if you look back to, i dunno, Argentinas Dirty War
10-30,000 was the figure wasn't it?
Who else but the Argentines would sink to these depths. But then, Argentina is not a normal place these days.
That comment was more related to the article your own tangent to Iraq
Funny for a man who works for La Campora who just blew up an EU office.
why that is relevant I have no idea. What WE'RE talking about is you moaning about people being 'off topic' when you're an offender yourself
@65
I'm half expecting that they would consider a Rugby/Football win over England (or GB this year) undeniable proof they the Falklands are 'Islas Malvinas'
I wouldn't worry, he'll still be dreaming of islas malvinas, when the falkland islands have the GDP of singapore.
Seriously, I can tell why you have no friends.
Fair enough, but you would expect in the game of international politics things would be done more subtly and you are expected - as a representative of your respective country - to be mature and professional.
Something like that is not comparable to a countries military campaign
@67
I don't doubt that one bit, let the black gold flow I say!
Argentina's April Vehicle Sales Fall 27.1% On Month; Down 8.3% On Year
they only have 2 exports that matter cars and soy...the soy crop is baaaad this year too.
Now what...look over here...an ENEMY!!
Typical Fascists
a) diabetes inducing dulce de leche
b) £2.99 Malbec for tesco bottom shelves
c) weird tea.
So, I guess it's not all bad.
Yours is a typical reaction from a child I guess.
Y&R (Young & Rubicam) the Communication & Advertising company that made the spot is an American company that also is making the campaign in support of USA Olympic team and spots in UK for Olympic games.
www.yr.com/about/list/
UK spot OG 2012
www.youtube.com/watch?v=dc59QAKR20I
www.adweek.com/news/advertising-branding/yr-bows-us-olympic-committee-effort-139685
You cannot say they are not very creative after all.
May 03rd, 2012 - 03:52 pm
Were I you I would recheck those maps. There is no Argentina Sea or Argentine Sea or Argentinian Sea. There is a group of Islands in the South Atlantic called the Falkland Islands however. They are well outside Argentinian waters though, about 300 miles from the nearest bit of Argentina in fact, maybe a bit more.
Hope this helps.
@75 The fact the British Olympic Committee chose an advertising agency that creates such great and memorable material as 'an illegal argentinian worker jumping on a war memorial on an early falklands morning' is an issue for the British Olympic Committee.
P.S. A spot is something you get on your @rse.
There is a Piedra Buena Straight and a Rio de la Plata.
“To compete on Pirates soil, trained on Argentine soil.”
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentine_Sea
It has nothing to do with political sovereingty, just a geographical/geological designation to the waters that lie above the continental shelf. The Argentine continental shelf is particularly extensive off the coast. That means it is rather shallow water even hundreds of miles out.
And hate to break it to you, the Falklands are part of that shelf. Doesn't mean it makes the islands jurisdictionally argentine, but British posters denying scientific and geographical facts is quite amusing.
Las Malvinas may very well be Argentina, but the Falkland islands certainly are not. Imagine someone jumping up and down on a memorial to your war dead. Oh wait, that's KFC with her bone show.
Giving credit where credit is due, the Americans do this, but the English do not.
We are not colonials. It is not a colony. We are British, though. This advert is quite plainly propaganda of the most insidious kind. It's good to see that the RG gov't knows what to spend the country's money on. I sincerely hope that Argentina end up getting kicked out of the Olympics - first the shirts, now this. What next? Ceremonial burning of the Union Flag in the Mall? Maybe baiting the Guards? Gobbing at the Queen?
I really hope that there is someone reading all the drivel/misinformation on here, and perhaps one day they meet up with the likes of “Islas Malvinas” and try to put him straight. The only way it is likely to be achieved is by punching it in, chaps.
They really piss me off.
Perhaps it is the Olympics that should boycott CFK and her government.
The real danger is her athletes may well be indoctrinated into giving false and idiotic statements to the worlds press before and after events,
Can you imaging the press asking them question,
Hi-how are you enjoying the Olympics?
Reply- viva Malvinas
Question, hey, that was a good run you did,
Reply, the Falklands are Argentinean.
Question, its nice to see Argentina athletes in the UK for the Olympics,
Reply
Viva Malvinas, , the British are holding them hostages.
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This was just a bit of fun,
But just think what they could get up to,
Justa thoughta .
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1. Keep the Falklands British -
www.facebook.com/pages/Keep-the-Falklands-British/123151384435619?sk=wall&filter=1
2. Falklands Forever British
www.facebook.com/pages/Falklands-Forever-British/183369319529?filter=2
3. We Will Never Surrender the Falklands
www.facebook.com/pages/We-will-never-surrender-the-Falklands-Islands/327781238193?filter=2
Join the growing cause to protect the Falklands from Argentine aggression!
By all means do so :-)
www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=lSlyQp9NAoM
You will find every newspaper and tv station in the UK has been reporting an Argentine runing up and down a WAR MEMORIAL in a FLAGRANT INSULT to BRITISH WAR DEAD!
FAIL ARGENTINA you are just a bunch of indocrinated sheep following your leader who is using a foregin enemy as a mean to distract you all from the WORLDS second highest inflation rates and an almost certain pending defalt.
www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article4295654.ece
On the 30th Anniversary of an invasion of the Falkland Islands by a fascist Argentine military regime, with the deaths of tens of thousands of their own people on their hands, in a violation of international soverignty and United Nations Charter, this advert is a pathetic statement and a testimont to the crass nature of the Kirchiner regime!
www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6pB57lhPlk&feature=youtu.be&skipcontrinter=1
Of course in the 1st Gulf War an independent state had been annexed.
In the 2nd, an independent state (Iraq) was cowardly and shamelessly invaded by the US, UK, Italy, and some others.
The first war was honorable, the second criminal which is why the world is seeking the arrest of Bush and Blair but alas, those countries don't respect international law, and only cite it when it is not their leaders flouting the laws.
No, I was simply easily disproving the legend many Brits bruit about their country only fighting honorable conflicts. :)
You have no support from the rest of the SA
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-16280613
m24digital.com/en/2012/04/17/mujica-we-do-not-like-the-arrogance-of-the-rich-europe/
Argentina sends athletes, you send HMS Lookatmes :)
The foggy one better :-)
“We are very grateful to both the Argentine Authorities and the Chilean Authorities for their cooperation and rapid response which ensured that this emergency was resolved swiftly and with no loss of life.”
en.mercopress.com/2010/06/04/falklands-thick-fog-forces-two-raf-typhoons-and-tanker-to-land-in-punta-arenas
(updated)
Former Argentine President, Néstor Carlos Kirchner, craved cocaine and cars, farted uncontrollably due to his vegetarian diet and was injected with semen from young bulls to keep up with his sexually active wife, Cristina Fernández, according to a rarely seen and historic cache documents discovered at the Casa Rosada and set for public auction next week.
The documents include the original 47-page classified report of President Kirchner, craved cocaine and cars, farted uncontrollably due to his vegetarian diet and was injected with semen from young bulls to keep up with his sexually active wife, Cristina Fernández, according to a rarely seen and historic cache documents discovered at the Casa Rosada and set for public auction next week.
The documents include the original 47-page classified report of the former president’s health culled from post-mortem interviews with his six chief doctors and that include diaries of what he heard Kirchner said, such as, “Blair and Bush are monkeys.”
The classified doctor’s report includes several extensive details about his health. Panagopulos said it quotes Kirchner doctor Theodore Morrell confirming that Nestor and Cristina had sex though they slept in separate beds and that he was injected with semen from young bulls to spark his libido. Under the section “Sex Characteristics,” the classified report said:
Panagopulos said the report also notes that Nestor “suffered from uncontrollable flatulence” due to his veggie diet, something the Argentine leader took pills for.
The longer report from Giesing noted Nestor’s cocaine use to clear his sinuses and that the doctor had to cut the dosage because the father of the “Malvinas Solution” craved it because it made him happy.
Don't get in discussions with Chicureo and GreekYogur, it's a tactic they use, them two, together with Yanqui and el Pistolero Conquistador will start telling you that you aren't Uruguayan and start abusing you. If you get upset and abuse back, the beehive queen will judge you. Hence you will be defined as a troll.
Don't interact with them.
Who said that people of the islands do not exist??
Maybe they didn't see the offering of the Argentine Government to add more flights to the islands....
“cheap and disrespectful propaganda” SURE, propaganda... What is Mercopress doing if not Propaganda??
MERCOPRESS=PROPAGANDA (a very cheap one, disrespectful to its readers, no matter what opinion they may have, because they are reading lies).
*they will be telling you that you are not who you are (darn ctrl-c...)
You just made me nostalgic……….
That‘s the very first MercoPress article I commented on, some two years ago…….
en.mercopress.com/2010/06/04/falklands-thick-fog-forces-two-raf-typhoons-and-tanker-to-land-in-punta-arenas
(106) Guzz
Don’t worry about Mr. Marcos Alejandro……………
It’s clear that, when interacting with Turnips, he uses a double condom to avoid catching any TD’s (Turnipedial Diseases).
Keep that in mind when intermingling with the “working girls” in here, my young, no-nonsense Scanyoruga mate.
Did I mention that Y&R is currently owned by “WPP plc” an English based company?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WPP_plc
I thought you show know this first before you continue crying like a child.
@anti-fascist2
And your point is?
more episodes of Projekt Huemul - IV Reich en Argentina. Ha ha
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nu7oa7JHJK8
www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctKT4OZ3g8A
www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPO9xGA4Gac
www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMHMj9QR6Ug
www.youtube.com/watch?v=rClhb4FiMNI
www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrCworxN36w
www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKgO1RIU2cg
www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxxICbWVwf4
www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9CysHUAvkg
“The Sun” says (and the Turnips parrot):
ARGENTINA sparked outrage last night after running a TV advert showing an Argie Olympian doing step-ups on a British War Memorial to our fallen heroes in the Falklands.
I say:
The Monument in question is NOT a “British War Memorial to any fallen heroes in the Falklands”
The monument in question is a WWI *VICTORY* monument, as clearly chiseled on its granite:
“VICTORY”
It’s written on top……..and then it continues……:
“IN COMMEMORATION OF THE BATTLE OF THE FALKLAND ISLANDS FOUGHT ON THE 8th DAY OF DECEMBER 1914”……
When a British Victory over their German Cousins……….:
“SAVED THIS COLONY FROM CAPTURE BY THE ENEMY”
No mention of no “FALLEN HEROES”................., nowhere.
yellowairplane.com/adventures/falkland_islands_war_guestbook/Falkands_War_Malvinas_War_Photos/Adam_Coleman_Battle_of_the_Falkland_Islands_Memorial.jpg
Anglo Turnips….., try to inform yourself before displaying your false indignation and your authentic ignorance ……
Brainwash anybody?
“It is deeply sad to see Mr Zylberberg clambering over a war memorial, especially in this anniversary year. Sadly, this illustrates the disrespect the Argentine authorities have for our home and our people. Unsurprisingly, at no stage does the video feature any Falkland Islanders – a clear reflection of Argentina’s policy, which is to pretend that the people of the Falkland Islands do not exist. It is time the world took note – we do exist, and as with all people we have rights, which the Argentine Government is trying to deny us. We are our own people, who through nine generations have lived and worked in these islands for nearly 200 years.” Zylberberg is just a coward, he did it all for money.
Oh dear, Think, oh dear....... Well, if you choose to believe that there is anything at all “News worthy” that is printed in “The Sun” then you are indeed a sorry minded indivdual. Try instead reading a copy of “The Beano” or “Danny”, they are more up to speed on world events than that Murdoch propaganda rag
“Anglo Turnips….., try to inform yourself before displaying your false indignation and your authentic ignorance ……”
We all know that “The Sun” is famed for it's reporting inaccuracies, we just did tell you....and as for “your authentic ignorance” mmm well, pot, kettle...black?
Still, I advise you to go back to your Turnips.... it's about the only thing you are good at.
In a real country, several people would have to dismiss to their political positions or taken to court for less than this. But...Alas...this is Argentina.
'Birds of a Feather Flock Together' Latin america countries that support you are no more correct than you are about the Falklands. They are ignorant of the facts and just being friendly to latin countries.
Many countries urging Britain to sit down to talk about the Falklands have little understanding of human rights and many realise that when they say 'talk' they know the 'Status Quo' will continue.
You see, Islas, the idea that majority knows best is virtually an oxymoron. Once people thought the world was flat, and that the world was made in 6 days.
The UN (C24) is there to remove remote governments from subdued island populations to ensure self determination. The Falklands are clearly not in that category and referendums show it.
All UN requests to sit down and talk are to quell the Argentine sabre rattling, it's nothing to do with you guys being right. Talk is better than fight.
And if we sat down and talked, where would you be? Nowhere of course since the populus don't want to know a country (government) that is primarily untrustworthy.
So, you are brainwashed because you have been told this lie, since 1941 by yet another dictator, that you have a valid claim to the Falklands, you are taught this in the class room, you are told this by your government and by your political parties and by several political writers and you ignore the true history of events.
Britain has infallible historical facts and Argentina chooses to be blind to them but you can find it all on-line and even through Google eBooks.
Belize is opting for referendums and the ICJ about joining Guatemala. Britain could loose it but things are done correctly. Watch what happens, see how to behave correctly. If Belize stays British then so be it. If it does not, then good luck to them.
Belize is an independent state. Has been since 1981.
Ah! little hypocrites Mohammeds, you said that you don’t celebrates war victories and cry like babies for Arg. commemoration of 1982.
Oh! Poor little babies crying again and offended for a commercial spot.
Because they are so serious about fallen people in wars and never commemorate war victories or mix this with sport.
I just wonder who buys T-shirts with the slogan “2 world wars 1 world cup” in UK.
news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/leicestershire/5082884.stm
I guess Mohammeds with all economy problems and Island blockade are running out of Kebabs and curry, causing them brain dysfunction especially at government level.
Thanks for the correction. The point is, Belize and Guatemala are doing things correctly.
..and the only victory monuments in Argentina commemmorate civil wars and coups.
“..and the only victory monuments in Argentina commemmorate civil wars and coups.”
I say:
Well…........... No...........
We have souvenirs all over Buenos Aires from some of your atemted and failed invasions….
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And a little,new one, just for reminding us of yet another failed British Invasion attempt on our Country.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=hO4Tj177ISc
Hilariously pathetic, the lot of them.
After this little “prank”, l support banning ALL Argentines from the Falklands.
No ifs, no buts. l mean ALL of them.
Maybe 10 years from now, only registered families of the buried soldiers allowed for one day only.
You mean invasions of the Spanish Empire's Viceroyalty of the Río de la Plata.
Perhaps we could invite Argentina to demonstrate their national sport at the Olympics: synchronised throwing nuns out of aeroplanes.
To do so recognises that F I Govt exists, and is the competent governing authority in the Islands.
I can see a problem - can you?
Wikipedia is not the most reliable of sources, and in academic circles students are defintely NOT expected to rely on it. Especially when the article is not supported by any citations and carries this warning:
”This article needs additional citations for verification. Please help improve this article by adding citations to reliable sources. Unsourced material may be challenged and removed. (February 2009)“
So sdorry, but i don't accept what you say about the ”Argentinian Sea”. Its the South Atlantic. And the fact that no-one has bothered challenging or removing the Wikipedia article is a reflection of the fact that most of the world can't give a damn about deluded Argentinian attempts to rename the Atlantic Ocean.
Technically incorrect Belize was a defacto British Protectorate between independence in 1981 and 1991 defence and forgein affiars were largely controlled by the UK, the BDF was also under the command of a British officer.
We may be turnips to some on here,
[that’s British turnips] to the uneducated,
But at least we are honest loyal and trustworthy,
And even more important the British Falklands are just that , British,
Not bad for a bunch of British turnips is it,
Better that argie daffodil’s .
“OBIS is now part of the Intergovernmental Oceanographic Commission (IOC) of UNESCO, under its International Oceanographic Data and Information Exchange (IODE) programme”
NASA/OBIS US govt.
“Numerous fishery research trips have been made in the Argentine sea during the
last 40 years. The aim of this database is collecting all the observational
data of the different fish species since 1966 in a single body.”
gcmd.nasa.gov/KeywordSearch/Metadata.do?Portal=OBIS&MetadataView=Full&EntryId=OBIS.cnp-peces
Deep sea waters, Phoenix Arizona USA.
List of seas in Atlantic Ocean:
www.deepseawaters.com/list-of-seas-in-atlantic.htm
Argentine Sea
www.deepseawaters.com/Argentine_Sea.htm
“The Argentine Sea covers a surface of about 386,102 sq. mi. (1,000,000 km²) and the average depth is about 3,952 feet (1,205 m) and the maximum depth is 7,296 feet (2,224 m). It is one of the largest seas in the world.
The Argentine Sea gradually widens through southward, in contrast with the narrowing of the continental mass. The Falkland Islands are located inside the platform of the Argentine Sea.”
Living in denial guys?
www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKqjnLFueRM&feature=related
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/falklandislands/9245540/William-Hague-dismisses-Argentinas-Falklands-ad-as-a-sad-stunt.html
I thought it was very nice of him to refer to it as a sad stunt, I think it would be more accurate to say it was done by a bunch of 'cupid stunts'. :o)
Thanks to our friends in Chile. I wonder why?...
Perhaps it's because Argentina refused to abide by a binding agreement awarding the Beagle Islands to Chile and set up a maritime boundary consistent with Argentine claims. Even the Pope came down and supported Chile.
Cry babies...
Might relate a bit a recent youtube interview of Aldo Rico (ex Argie soldier in Falklands invasion), who in spite of his over-the-top looniness about Falklands-Easter Island-Diego Garcia all being part of a secret US “strategic polygon” of global security, does make a point that the British are usefully exploiting the new idea that the Falklands should enjoy the right of self-determination (such as Hague noted) - and this right really does impede/conflict with the Argentine efforts to take the Falklands.
(www.youtube.com/watch?v=oS3xYT5OQs0)
It was just an advert, didn' hansen know that we claim for the sovereignty of the islands?. Anyway i respect hansen's opinion if he didn't like that spot, but he should understand that if the u. k and the islanders would accept to discuss about the sovereignty which is the main problem, all this situation would be absolutly different, and perhaps that spot would have never existed. But the worst of this situation is not hansen's partial anaysis, he is just doing what all politicians do, i mean he is telling what is convenient for him only. The worst of this situation is that maye many people buys his so partial analysis. I dont deny that perhaps our government didn't act correctly in some oportunities, in that case, the assembly from the islands has right to criticise it, but at the same time, neather the u. k nor the islanders have never accepted to discuss about the sovereignty, which is not acting correctly eather, on the other hand, both distort the true posture of our country all the time. Beyond the miopic of the politicians, we must be more intelligent, and be ample when we analysis such a complicated and painfull question like this one.
www.facebook.com/pages/Misiones-y-Formosa-son-de-Paraguay/250980491652629
Misiones and Formosa Provinces are provinces of Argentina that were seized and annaxed by Argentina from Paraguay this page is dedicated to address Argentine hyporcacy and ensuring their return to Paraguay.
the whole world is watching her.
never trust argentina,=CFK = liers , untrustworthy.
“The Propaganda was a disgrace ! It was all argie nonsense until he did step ups on a British war memorial ! Extremely disrespectful, the guy should attend the Olympics.”.
The spot was excellent conceived and has produced what any commercial ad looks for “exposure”.
Everyone is talking about it, 200k visit in youtube just in few hours.
With instant coverage in Arg. US, UK, Italy, Spain, Mexico, Chile, Uruguay, Colombia, Venezuela, etc, etc.
Ok I agree that makes William Hague looks like moron, FI govt. like retarded in front of everyone and that WPP had to apologise.
But who cares?
Please like this page in order to force Argentina to return Misiones and Formosa Provinces to Paraguay, the country they were stolen from in 1870!
Misiones and Formosa Provinces are provinces of Argentina that were seized and annaxed by Argentina from Paraguay this page is dedicated to address Argentine hyporcacy and ensuring their return to Paraguay.
It's only right that Argentina first addresses its own hyocracy by re-examining its own history before talking about taking more land it has never had soverignty over. Not just the Falklands but South Georgia and the South Sandwhich Islands.
what is there to discuss, Axel @135? Is the Argentinian parliament going to amend the constitution to recognise the Falklanders' right to self-determination?
''We have souvenirs all over Buenos Aires from some of your atemted and failed invasions….''
I'm glad to hear it. Since you clearly think such monuments are an abomination, I don't suppose any of you will mind if I bring my dog over and film him peeing on them dressed in his union jack coat.
It just makes Argentina look pathetic on the World stage. But who cares. Deep down the currupt* Argentinian government probably already know this.
* Argentina is way down in 100th place in the Worldwide Curruption Index.
(Britain is 16th).
www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-17963577
www.facebook.com/pages/We-must-kick-argentina-out-of-the-2012-olympics-over-the-falklands/379501375425310
International Olympic Committee, Château de Vidy
Case postale 356
1001 Lausanne
Switzerland
It was not built or intended for the use of exercise or training.
The man is a disgrace. no amount of coverage can justify the blatant disrespect that he showed towards those fallen. He actually crossed a barrier, created to keep people at a respectful distance, in order to do it. What uproar would there be if one of us went and stood on an Argentine grave ?
You are a disgrace if you even try to justify the disrespectful use of the memorial. You yanks are always so proud of your war heroes. Well you should be respectful of the others....
Who cares ? the family of the fallen ?
Coverage ? The wrong kind......
Soon that the flights from Buenos Aires to Malvinas are available you can do that, just make sure that your dog is properly neuter... you know those horny Argentinean dogs may not resist the temptation of such act. :-)
And? Who cares?
@ #147 THOR94
Have you ever heard about “Shockvertising”
Well that is what WPP plc and R&Y have done, they were looking deliberately to make shock advertising style spot. And to do that you have to offend some audience by violating some norms, religion, social values, etc.
This type of campaigns are widely used in the world and in UK by govt. for example showing brutal car accidents, a little girl being cutting by a bottle of beer, etc.
“The man is a disgrace. no amount of coverage can justify the blatant disrespect that he showed towards those fallen”
Again you have no idea how the communication, media industry works, You can be shot saying I love my mum and then they edit it and you end saying Malvinas Argentinas.
From the point of view of communication industry the spot was excellent made, you like it or not.
The only responsible for the spot is the agency as you can read in www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-17963577 posted by “AndyMac”.
“The advert, shot by Fly Films, a company with previous experience in undercover filming”
“the piece was not commissioned by the government.”
“was first offered to private companies, who preferred to stay away from the controversial video.”
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shock_advertising
So stop crying like a baby.
l'm quite pleased now that you idiots have crapped in your own pants.
“oh it wasn't us, it was the govt!”
Take some responsibility Danilito. You support them.
malvinistas.....................pouf!
“'Im quite pleased now that you idiots have crapped in your own pants” ???
“oh it wasn't us, it was the govt”
Did you make a mistake? Where did I say that?
And your point was?
If you like creating links in order to tell the whole world about the situation of the islands. You should tell too that neather the u. k nor the islanders are respecting the resolutions that call the two parts of the conflict to resume the negotiations and find a peaceful solution, however you just play the victime and dont recognize that your side is not acting correctly eather. The u. n has never asked he u. k to return the islands to arg., in the same way that it neather expressed that the sovereignty must be discussed only if the islanders wish it, nor applied the right to self determination for this cause, like it did for others colonial situations., beside, this dispute has always been considered like a particular colonial situation by the decolonization committe. If the islanders want to remain under british government, nobody can change that, but it doesn't mean that we can't find a fair solution for the sovereingty issue which is the main problem, however your side has always rejected to discuss about the sovereignty, tell the whole world about this too.
On the other hand, i dont deny that maybe my country didn't act correctly in some oportunities, but at the same time, if you reject the resolutions that call the two parts of the conflict to resume the negotiations, accept it or not, that's not acting correctly eather.
Regarding misiones and formosa, you forget to tell in your comment that formosa was won after the shameful war of the tripple alliance, i have always said that arg., uruguay and brasil should apologize the parguayans for that terrible war. Anyway, this case is absolutly different than the dispute for the islands, because after that war, paraguay has never claimed for that territory again. Respecting the malvinas-flakland cause, after the war, the u. n continued calling the two parts of the conflict to resume the negotiations, which is not being respected by your side. So, dont tell what is convenient for you only.
I intend no disrespect to you or the people of Argentina in saying this to you, please understand that my friend. The answer of the Falkland Islanders, The British Government and the British people to the Government of Argentina is an emphatic and resounding NO!! ..This answer is not a maybe or a not now but ask me again next week ! this word no is final! this is our final answer! it is not to be negotiated around to try and make a no mean maybe or perhap?s..we say No!!!
The Hydrocarbon deposits to be found in Falklands waters belong to the people of the Falklands of course but guess what? the obvious place to run it ashore is Argentina (the nearest friendly country?) this could be of tremendous benefit to the economy of your country and involving very little expenditure on your part.
Paraguay has never made a claim re Misiones and Formosa you say .. Are you in any way part of some kind of pressure group in Argentina ? pressing your Government into giving back these territories to Paraguay regardless of whether they ask for them or not! they not having very fond memories of your part in the triple alliance may be scared to ask!!
Peace to the people of the Falklands, Argentina and Great Britain !!
Ted.
You forget, Axel, there are three sides to the conflict.
'You should tell too that neather the u. k nor the islanders are respecting the resolutions that call the two parts of the conflict to resume the negotiations and find a peaceful solution,'
Again, Axel: is the Argentine parliament going to amend its constitution to abandon its claim to the Falkland Islands? If it's not, what is there to talk about regarding sovereignty and how can there be a peaceful solution?
We have a peaceful solution, Axel.
One that we are happy with & it does not include Argentina.
So, Axel, there is no need for “negotiations” & in fact, there won't be any.
Just for you, Axel:-
There will be NO NEGOTIATIONS ON SOVEREIGNTY.♥
It's not my intention eather to disrespect anyone, but there is something you must understand once and for all, i mean, intransigence never helps. What really annoys me are the so partial analysis that most you do all the time, and only play victime once and again, with out recognizing that your side is not acting correctly eather.
I have never denied that perhaps our country didn't act correctly in some oportunities, in fact i read that it didn't comply totally with some of the agreements that it had signed during the 90's with the u. k., i dont knwo if it's true or not, but in case that it's true, that's not acting correctly, and the the general assmbly from the islands has right to criticise it. However, beyond the answer that you usually give respecting the rejection in order to discuss about the sovereignty, if you would have unless one line f intellectual honesty, you should recognize that you are not acting correctly eather, anyway, if you inists with your intransigence, dont complain if we have more serious problems in the futture, because accept it or not, your rejection to the dialogue about the sovereignty has a huge responsability in this situation too.
Regarding the argument of our constitution which you love to use all the time, let me tell you that beyond what our constitution affirms about our claim, the u. n has never asked the u. k to return the islands to arg., so, although the two parts of the conflict resume the negotiations, the islands won't never be only under arg. sovereignty, because that's not what the u. n signalizes. On the other hand, c. f. k said in diferent forums that arg. is not asking the u. k to recognize that the islands are argentine, it only asks to resume the negotiations and find a peaceful solution. Finally, i want to express that i have always thought tha arg. should apologize the islanders for the war of 1982.
perhaps you would like to transfer it to the british lol.
“I have never denied that perhaps our country didn't act correctly in some oportunities, in fact i read that it didn't comply totally with some of the agreements that it had signed during the 90's with the u. k., i dont knwo if it's true or not, but in case that it's true, that's not acting correctly, and the the general assmbly from the islands has right to criticise it.”
What you say here re your governments failure to comply with previous agreements reached with the U.K, in my view gives us all the right not only to be critical of those responsible, but the right to withhold our trust ..
Trust is something that you have to earn! Put your hand on your Heart and tell me axel ..if you were not an Argentinian and bearing in mind the actions of various Governments including the Junta of Argentina since say the 1930s ..would you place your trust and the welfare of your loved ones in their hands?
I ask you to think on this and answer me honestly!
Ted.
You make no mention whatsoever of this question that I posed to you..“Paraguay has never made a claim re Misiones and Formosa you say .. Are you in any way part of some kind of pressure group in Argentina ? pressing your Government into giving back these territories to Paraguay regardless of whether they ask for them or not! they not having very fond memories of your part in the triple alliance may be scared to ask! ” why did you not address this question?
I am not familiar with your constitution and I have never made any comments regarding it, to do so would have been silly.
Perhaps you can help out there with a link?
if they accept it I'll move back to argentina :))
You'd better talk to the Argentine governmant.Axel.
Vive l'intransigence!
NO Negotiations on Sovereignty, Axel.
You of course can think of the word “No” as being rather intransigent if you so choose.
The “No” in this case is better described as an inexorable answer and means “not able to be moved by entreaty or persuasion” or I would add aggressive posturing, bullying, browbeating or warnings of more serious problems in the future etc.
The Falkland Islands and it's people are in a much improved state of readiness to deal with any “more serious problems in the future” as your Government is undoubtedly aware. Ted
Argentine-made, Falklands-sited mockumentary “Fuckland” (2000) also depended on subterfuge, lies and an insulting misogynist theme: that Argentina would get back Falklands by secretly impregnating enough Falklands women so that their children would be half Argentine.
When Islanders heard about Fuckland then - like recent Y&R spot now - they were rightfully angry at the deception of the movie producers but Fuckland and this Y&R spot both seem like metaphor on Argentine deception, about how low the Argentines could stoop and be applauded by their compatriots for their exploits.
Actively seeking transparent cooperation of Falkland Islanders in producing Island-made films that reflect a tough but honest working-through of issues would probably be most welcome - I think the 2005 anti-war Argentine film Blessed by Fire (Iluminado por el Fuego) was example of such an effort.
Fucklands summary in English: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuckland
Full movie in Spanish: www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rikVmz2tTM
I think you failed to understand my point. Shock or no shock tactics, they disrespected a war memorial, and it has not attracted the type of publicity that they wanted. Now the Argentine government are known as the type of people who will disrespect fallen soldiers.
'Again you have no idea how the communication, media industry works, You can be shot saying I love my mum and then they edit it and you end saying Malvinas Argentinas.'
Yes so they filmed the man doing step ups, and then they doctored the file as to make it appear he was doing step ups on the war memorial.
Mate you seem to understand nothing of media, or international politics. People are not going to flock to support over an issue, if they are so disrespectful.
I think this edited version of the propaganda mirrors up the Argentines claim to the Falklands very well. They're both very funny and quite ludicrous ....rather like you as well i suppose.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=VetuOlwcmqU
None cares mate.
The families of the fallen do.
No one cares about Argentina's stupid little 'malvinas claim'...Apart from crackpot Argies.
Mate you well stupid....
Really?
And your point is?
My point was and still is, the people who made the film, and the athlete who starred in it, are disgraceful and extremely disrespectful. The Argentine government should issue an official apology and withdraw the film.
Do you want me to try and explain it easier or do you understand now ?
You are wasting your time with DunniBurger as I call him: he is just a complete idiot who loves to make stupid comments to wind us up.
Ask him if he got the new job designing interactive electronic video equipment utilising blob technology, that will shut him up.
He is in there with 'I don't Think' when it come to lies and obfurscation.
It's not necesary not to be argentine to answer your question. I am argentine but i have enough intellectual honesty, that's why my analysis are never partial. Let's sopose that arg. didn't comply totally with the agreements that it had signed with the u. k during the decade of the 90's, that's repudiable, and the general assembly from the islands has right to criticise it, however the u. k took unilateral decitions in different moments too, so, for being honest we must recognize, no matter if we are argentine or british, that both countries didn't act correctly in different oportunities, i won't blame only arg. or only the u. k, because i'm not neather injudicious nor ignorant, In the same way you must recognize too that neather the islanders nor the u. k have never accepted to discuss about the sovereignty after 1982, in fact they have always manifested that they can discuss about different issues with arg., but not the sovereignty, which is the main problem, so, your side is not acting correctly eather. Maybe you still can't learn to separate the actual context from the context of the dictatorship. Beside, i already told you what c. f. k expressed before the u. n and before others int. forums. Respecting the war of the tripple alliance, i just can tell you that in all my life, i'm 30 years old, i have never heard that paraguay claims for formosa and misiones, thats' why the comparison that you do is nonesense, we can't give them a territory which has never been claimed again for the paraguayans. It woudn't have any sense if they start to claim it now. But if you inist on comparing this case, with the dispute for the islands, let me remind you that the u. n has never asked the u. k to return the islands to arg., so, you can remain under british government if your people wishes it, but it doesn't mean that we can't find a peaceful and fair solution for the sovereignty issue, for both people.
Just because the Paraguayans haven't “YET” claimed their stolen land back, doesn't mean that they are not going to.
The question is, dear Axel, is Argentina going to return that land if they do claim it?
They, no doubt, want a peaceful and fair solution for the sovereignty issue.
But, l digress.
The Falklands is a completely different case because Argentina has never owned them & has no valid claim here.
So Axel, we will continue to refuse to “negotiate” with you about sovereignty.
And a good evening to you, Axel. Don't forget to put extra blankets on the bed.
the argentine goverment, should play with its own toys, in its own cot,
and stop trying to climbe out and steal other peoples property.
The only one that seems to don’t understand is you mate.
1-If you are concern about “moral”, respect, etc. Your British company WPP plc & Y&R should have refused to make the spot in the first place.
2- According with Gabriel Dreyfus, former owner of FSD the company that merged with Y&R, and former creative director of Y&R “nothing is made without the approval of its headquarter in US and UK. So the CEO in UK (Martin Sorrell) is lying.”
3- Again claiming that others “are extremely disrespectful” when you sell and buy T-shirts and make commercial spots for TV with the slogan “2 world wars 1 world cup” seem to be very silly and hypocrite from your part.
“ 2 world wars 1 world cup”
www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Hosf86OLxM
“Ten German Bombers in the air”
www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzhNhdUcFZ8
Why do you have to bring up WWII?
It was a terrible mistake that cost at least 20 million lives, caused such devastation & altered the world.
l agree about the disrespect, but have never liked football hooligans anyway.
THEY bring their countries into disrepute & it seems that ours are the worst.
I have been perfectly clear with my answer. I think if the paraguayans start to claim for formosa, it woudn't have any sense, because they have never claimed for it before, anyway, if tomorrow they decide to take the case to the u. n., and that institution start to call arg. and paraguay to dialogue and find a fair solution, we will have to do it, like us or not. Laws were made to be respected, they weren't made to distort their meanings just in order to avoid a negotiation.
On the other hand, this is evident that you insist with your partial information repecting the history of the islands, i had explained you about it before, and i won't do it again. Maybe the day that you decide to investigate deeply, you'll realise that you have been arguing just the half of the historic facts, anyway it's your choice.
Finally, i can tell you only that i respect if you insist with your intransigence, regarding the rejection to discuss about the sovereignty which is the main problem, but dont complain if our government continues taking hard decitions. Perhaps some day you can understand too the that intransigence of your side has a huge responsability in this situation too.
The T-shirts are not the issue. I personally have never stated that i think that they are acceptable, and will say now that they are not.
So in no way am i being a hypocrite.
Where as you said, in your very mature manor 'Dont cry mate', and spoke as if there was nothing wrong with what the athlete did.
So your point is, well, 'pointless' . And you now appear as idiotic as your are disrespectful.
Reply to axel, I quote you here,
“I have never denied that perhaps our country didn't act correctly in some oportunities, in fact i read that it didn't comply totally with some of the agreements that it had signed during the 90's with the u. k., i dont knwo if it's true or not, but in case that it's true, that's not acting correctly, and the the general assmbly from the islands has right to criticise it.”
What you say here re your governments failure to comply with previous agreements reached with the U.K, in my view gives us all the right not only to be critical of those responsible, but the right to withhold our trust ..
Trust is something that you have to earn! Put your hand on your Heart and tell me axel ..if you were not an Argentinian and bearing in mind the actions of various Governments including the Junta of Argentina since say the 1930s ..would you place your trust and the welfare of your loved ones in their hands?
I ask you to think on this and answer me honestly!
Ted.
You make no mention whatsoever of this question that I posed to you..“Paraguay has never made a claim re Misiones and Formosa you say .. Are you in any way part of some kind of pressure group in Argentina ? pressing your Government into giving back these territories to Paraguay regardless of whether they ask for them or not! they not having very fond memories of your part in the triple alliance may be scared to ask! ” why did you not address this question?
I am not familiar with your constitution and I have never made any comments regarding it, to do so would have been silly.
Perhaps you can help out there with a link?
As you seem to be fond of saying that you do not do partial analysis! You seem to be partially reading and wholly not answering the above. If you care to read you will notice that no comparisons were drawn on my part. Indeed I signed off on the 1st and then asked for your comments on the 2nd point, this is not clarity of thought!
Argentina took land from its neighbours in numberous wars , civil wars and land grabs - Paraguay, Uraguay, Chile. Today Argentina despite the changed political landscape is still a nation characterised by uber nationalism. The claim to the Falklands was surendered in 1850 but reserected in 1941 by a fascist junta, which inc Peron, they thought their friends the Nazi were going to win the war, the Falklands looked easy picking.
In 1982 Argentina was under the latest succession of a series of fascism military junta's. Their hold on power was looking precarious, in deperation they sort a war, Chile looked like a good victim, they already claimed lots of land and were ignoring the international tribunals that had ruled in Chile's favor. But then they changed their mind and invaded the Falklands. Today the war is romanticized by a nation ruled by a kind of cross between a Neo-Nazi uber nationalist and a Charvesta Revolutionary uber Marxist. The only thing missing is the land reform. Maybe that's for later? But as few natives remain, maybe they'll just ignore their rights... God knows they always have. An entire culture replaced by a European one. Entire languages destroyed.
Timmerman should take time to read about his country's history.
Why wouldn't it make any sense for the Paraguayans to claim their stolen land, Axel?
Maybe because Argentina would be losing land? ls that it, Axel?
Stop making threats that you cannot carry out, Axel.
lt is not intransigence, it is our desire to have nothing to do with your colonialist country.
No NEGATIATIONS on SOVEREIGNTY, Axel my lad.
You have no rights here, none at all.
You country is a foreign, belligerent colonialist bully, Axel.
Hope this helps.
“Laws were made to be respected”
Yes, but Argentina does not subscribe to this theory- or if it does, then at its own whim and only when it suits them. Witness the illegal expropriation of Repsol's interest in YPF (a clear breach of the non discrimination clause in the Argentina/Spain BIT as the Kirchner's friend's shares were not also taken) and also a certain invasion back in 1982 (in clear breach of the binding UN charter and binding security council resolutions).
DJ56: Laws were made to be respected should be applied for the u. k too, which rejects the resolution from the u. n that call the two parts of the conflict to resume the negotiations and find a peaceful solution, but as usuall, most you just see the half of the question which is convenient for you.
I have never denied in none of my comments about the fact that maybe my country didn't act correctly in some oportunities, and i didn't deny eather it's rejection to resolution 502 by the criminal junta. Respecting ypf, if arg. commited something illigal, it can be denounced, but you can't ignore the lack of inverstments by repsol which prejudiced as . But as usuall most you just victimize repsol and only criticise arg., that shows the mediocrity of your thought.
ISOLDE.: I was perfectly clear with my answer, but as usuall you understand just what you want. Maybe it doesn't have any sense for paraguay to claim for a territory which has never been clamed for them, but if they decide to start to claim for formnosa, and present the case before the u. n, then like us or not, we will have to find a peaceful and negotiated solution, which is what you should do with the malvinas too, anyway i know you won't do it, you'll just continue making the idiot comparisons that you do every day, just to justify the british posture, on the other hand you accuse arg. of colonialist and at the same time, you deffend a country which has under it's administration 10 of the 16 colonial enclaves, and sends destructors to the malvinas, isn't it belligerant too?, unfortunatelly you dont realise about how pathetic you are, when you make those idiot comparisons, i insist dont get lost, but please study hard.
TED: I lalready answered most your question in my comment 175, but respecting formosa, read what i typed for isolde.
Axel, what is a destructor? And why would we want to send it to the malvinas, where ever THEY are?
Now if you mean, why did we send a “destroyer” to the Falklands, why the answer is simple.
We own the destroyer & we own the Falklands.
lts our business, Axel, not yours.
And certainly nothing to do with Argentina.
lts as silly as me asking you why did you send a train from BsAs to Rosario. Your train, your cities.
Anyway, its no secret why OUR destroyer is visiting OUR lslands.
To protect us from Argentina's colonialist plans.
The UN has “invited” us to “negotiate”. NOT ordered.
We decline the “invitation”
ln 1982, the UN “ORDERED”(502) Argentina to withdraw from the Falklands.
Argentina refused.
You want us to do what you wouldn't do! Unbelievable. C'est impossible.
Ergo:-
There will be NO “sitting down to negotiate” Axel.
NONE, EVER.
I am with you on this one my friend and please accept the gratitude of an old one finger typist, cos you have saved me a lot of thankless work here.
This chap Axel and his ilk remind me of a greedy child in a sweet shop (as I remember being) upon being told NO! just keeps saying ..but why not!! I want! I want! and never really understanding that NO was a final answer.
What is the point of holding negotiations with people who are unable to understand that NO would be our stance both at the beginning and at the end of such talks? Good grief! there is important gardening work and D.I.Y stuff to be done ! have we the time to spare Nincompooping with Nincompoops? NO! + NO! =NO! Simple that!
There was a time when I thought that it might just be possible to exchange views with Axel in a sensible fashion, even though I knew that we would differ re the Falkland Islands. However this has not proved to be the case, therefore I have decided not to bother replying or communicating with him again..Axel you are now among the ranks of the depleted and deleted, where you no doubt will feel at home.
The Falkland Islanders are British and so until the Falklanders decide any different are they. As such if anybody comes aggressively banging on their door then they are banging on My Door! in Bristol England.. they must expect the appropriate response ...sorry no tea and biscuits..only grief.
Peace to Argentina but Up The Falklands!! Ted.
ISOLDE: There you go again with your ignorant conclusions. You call us colonialits, but at the same time, you have under your administration 10 of the 16 colonial enclaves. If you think that our country might invade the islands again, that shows how far from the reality you are, anyway i'll give you some information. In 1982 the budget of deffence represented the 3% of the gdp, now it represents 0,9%. What our government made with the deffence was almost a desarme, and i agree absolutly with that, we dont need to miliatarise the country, because we are not neather under any invasion threat, nor invade others territories like some powerfull nations do. So, maybe the day that you decide to think, you can realise that you are wasting a lot of money sending those destroyers, if you think that arg. is going to invade again. Why dont you think that all that money might be used to boost the u. k from the crisis?. On the other hand, the resolutions were made to be respected, we are not asking you to give the islands back to us, we are just asking you to respect the resolutions that call the two parts of the conflict to resume the negotiations. But as usuall, as long as your country continues joining the security councill, it will keep on doing whatever it wants, distorting the the laws, and ignorant people like you, will continue believing the lies and the so partial information that politicians give all the time.
TED: I also thought that a mature debate could be posible with you. I answered your questions, but if you didn't agree with them, sorry, you are not forced to think like me. I dont know what you expected, beyond i agree or not with your opinions, i wont never make such partial analysis like many of your compatriots do all the time. Up argentina and the malvinas-falklands.
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