The plot behind the Argentine Olympics-Falklands political spot
The controversial Argentine government Olympic spot allegedly in support of the delegation that will competing in the coming London games had everybody on the black: public opinion, the athlete who ignored who really paid for his acting, obviously the Falklands where it was filmed and even the Argentine Olympic Committee.
The Buenos Aires media made extensive coverage of what is described as a high-impact publicity stunt which shows Argentine hockey captain Fernando Zylberberg in different captions running past iconic Falklands’ landmarks and ends with a highly political slogan: “to compete in English soil, training in Argentine soil”.
In an attempt to re-edit events La Nacion says that last March 18, Zylberberg, sprinter Florencia Lamboglia, long distance runner Franco Diaz and amateur athlete Laureano Andreotti began their training for London 2012 in the Falklands.
The four, it was made to believe, were competing in the Standard Chartered Stanley 42 kilometres Marathon for honour and for the prize of £ 1.100, a race which convened 64 runners. However they were really on a ‘secret’ mission worked up by publicity agents Young & Rubicam, Buenos Aires, which was finally aired unexpectedly in Buenos Aires Wednesday evening with a clear political message as the official homage to the Malvinas War veterans on the 30th anniversary and in support of the Argentine athletes.
“The first thing we did was to test the script with the Malvinas veterans: they were really motivated”, said the Y&R master mind of the spot and considered one of the best in Argentina. Since the agency had had contacts with the Cristina Fernandez communications team during the 2011 presidential campaign, the idea reached Press Officer Alfredo Scocimarro. Fifteen days later it was official, the spot was contracted by the Argentine Executive.
The script as in usual in publicity agencies is part of the creative work ahead of great events, in this case the London Olympic Games next July. In this case Y&R, which belongs to the British holding WPP, has among its clients companies linked to sports which are always underlining the Argentine national spirit in their campaigns.
But once with the approval, Y&R to avoid suspicions and minimize risks contracted two US directors for the filming who arrived March 17 together with the four Argentine athletes with the marathon excuse.
During their week in the Falklands the team filmed different sequences and the final editing only included Zylberberg whose participation in London was confirmed since last October when the Argentine hockey team beat Canada in the final at the Guadalajara Pan-American Games.
Zylberberg confessed that until a day before the (Wednesday) airing of the spot he was unaware that it was for the government. He admits having been paid for his acting, although wouldn’t reveal the sum, nor did he know where the money had come for the Y&R spot.
“No, the President did not call me. I only found out it was going to be a spot for the Presidency the day before it was aired”, said Zylberberg, 34 who has already competed in the Olympic games of Sydney and Athens but missed Beijing because Canada ousted the Argentines.
“I just went to do a job as an athlete with a publicity agency that wanted to send the message of training in Argentine soil to compete in English soil”, admitted the hockey player who added “I don’t know who really paid me. A friend contacted me for the project and until yesterday it was little more I knew”.
Zylberberg said that filming started every day at six in the morning, “I ran all over the Islands so as to have the different sequences. There were many veterans so in my head I felt I was running in a battle field and after that it’s impossible not to have energy to keep running”.
The Argentine athlete said the Islanders were very respectful and some indifferent, “but when we arrived in the Islands the local police gave us a brief chat advising us not to fly the Argentine flag”.
Finally La Nacion called on the Argentine Olympic Committee who preferred not to comment on the video.
“We do not comment on this action or on political actions. Our only concern is to abide the Olympic chart and rules from the International Olympic Committee to allow and ensure the participation of all of our athletes in the Olympic Games”.
However they were not aware that a spot of such characteristics was to be aired.
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“The Sun” says (and the Turnips parrot):
ARGENTINA sparked outrage last night after running a TV advert showing an Argie Olympian doing step-ups on a British War Memorial to our fallen heroes in the Falklands.
I say:
The Monument in question is NOT a “British War Memorial to any fallen heroes in the Falklands”
The monument in question is a WWI *VICTORY* monument, as clearly chiseled on its granite:
“VICTORY”
It’s written on top……..and then it continues……:
“IN COMMEMORATION OF THE BATTLE OF THE FALKLAND ISLANDS FOUGHT ON THE 8th DAY OF DECEMBER 1914”……
When a British Victory over their German Cousins……….:
“SAVED THIS COLONY FROM CAPTURE BY THE ENEMY”
No mention of no “FALLEN HEROES”................., nowhere.
yellowairplane.com/adventures/falkland_islands_war_guestbook/Falkands_War_Malvinas_War_Photos/Adam_Coleman_Battle_of_the_Falkland_Islands_Memorial.jpg
Anglo Turnips….., try to inform yourself before displaying your false indignation and your authentic ignorance ……
Brainwash anybody?
PS: Nice job, Young & Rubicam, Buenos Aires.
Haven't you got a life to get on with or is this your life paid for by the Argie propaganda ministry.
The Falkland island Government which already skeptical of Argentina motives are now further offended by this Cheap Shot
if Argentina seek union with the Falkland island why do they continue to drive relations apart? The British government has stated they will Defend the Falkland Islanders right to self determent there own future. That is set in stone. now its up to Argentina to take the next moves. and quite predictably they continue move the wrong way
I feel Argentina need to go down the long route, state they have done wrong and they are willing to change its approach to the Falkland Islands and its Islanders. play nice and keep to it and perhaps one day the islanders will start to see Argentina as a friend not a constant annoyance and a country who is objecting to there rights
in 1982 the British sent a task force 8000 miles to free part of our country from an unwanted occupation, That's how much self determination means to the British government, its people and the World as a whole. They could have left it but that wouldn't have been the right thing to do.
now Argentina has the same choice to make move closer? or move further apart?
you already know the answer, the argentine government, egged on by it's brainless and spineless population of nationalist sheep, will continue to harass and insult the Islanders, until their bitterness over the Islander's oil will grow to the point they try another invasion, and are quickly humiliated once again, likely causing argentina to blame some minority group (im guessing the natives again) and start the whole pathetic cycle all over again, until the pathetic excuse of a country collapses entirely and is absorbed by Chile and Brazil.
I can imagine all those “Andy Capp Kelpers”, practitioners of such noble sports and arts as darts, snooker, betting on horses, getting drunk, loafing on the sofa and fighting with their long suffering missus’s …… being mortally offended seeing their beloved Globe benches being misused so brutally on the video! (Between 0:34 and 0:37)
www.youtube.com/watch?v=YiKwb-DS2Sk
Chuckle chuckle©
Oh dear, Think, oh dear....... Well, if you choose to believe that there is anything at all “News worthy” that is printed in “The Sun” then you are indeed a sorry minded indivdual. Try instead reading a copy of “The Beano” or “Danny”, they are more up to speed on world events than that Murdoch propaganda rag
“Anglo Turnips….., try to inform yourself before displaying your false indignation and your authentic ignorance ……”
We all know that “The Sun” is famed for it's reporting inaccuracies, we just did tell you....and as for “your authentic ignorance” mmm well, pot, kettle...black?
Still, I advise you to go back to your Turnips.... it's about the only thing you are good at.
“To compete on british fields, we train on argentinian-laid mine fields”
Surely then it would have been slightly less cowardly than very very cowardly.
Oh well, what do you expect from cowards.
Because they don't seek union with the Falkland islands. They want a national obsession to distract attention from their own governments' shortcomings.
It's not me......; ”Choosing to believe that there is anything at all “newsworthy” printed in The Sun”
It's you, Anglo-Turnips, (you included), “Choosing to believe that there is anything at all newsworthy printed in the Sun ”, whining loudly in three current articles on MercoPress, about:
“Argies dancing on our graves”
or ”Argies insulting Brit war dead ”
or ”Argies disrespecting our dead Servicemen”.
Spare me the whining ……………….
The VICTORY monument the Argentinean athlete did some Step Aerobics on, is just that….
A CHEST BEATING VICTORY monument, commemorating yet another glorious slaughtering during yet another fratricidal European war.
Brainwash anybody?
1) Zylberberg is trying to distance himself from the government propaganda.
2) The Argentine Olympic committee are trying to distance themselves from the government propaganda.
“We do not comment on this action or on political actions. Our only concern is to abide the Olympic chart and rules from the International Olympic Committee to allow and ensure the participation of all of our athletes in the Olympic Games”.
They must be aware that this kind of politicising could lead to repercussions for the Argentine Olympic team.
It reminds me of that song by Shaggy, “It Wasn't Me”.
“now Argentina has the same choice to make move closer? or move further apart?”
Err And what about the inverse? After all some Islands seem to float on water.
May be if Mohammeds try harder they can move further apart the island to let’s say “Africa” who knows. I would not underestimate them on creativity. After all Motherland Ukistan had managed very well to move apart from western values to a more ethnic ones I guess.
Well they completely failed in their remit there then. Considering one of their Athletes competing in 100m memorial desecration was allegedly working illegally.... and they politicized the Olympics.
Is there any point on which the Argtardian Olympic Committee didn't fail?
Senior officials in the Argentine province of Buenos Aires say they believe two recent attacks on Jewish cemeteries were probably the work of former police officiers.
news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/despatches/44266.stm
Tus amiguitos dan asco, son unos abusadores que calientan a un muerto. Igual que vos defenden su derecho de abusar, y lloran cuando son abusados. Manga de hipocritas.
Machos son ustedes, que mandaron a sus compatriotas a morir a las manos del ingles, basura.
Now lets translate that for all monolinguals...
Your friends are repugnant, a bunch of abusers that upsets the dead. Just lke you they defend their right to abuse, and starts crying when being abused. Bunch of hypocrites.
You are real men, who sent your countrymen to die at the hands of the english, you garbage.
Dont worry about the Malvinas, as it is now, they are blood dependant on a country 14.000 miles away. I would imagine how many kids there are out there. And of the youth, I can imagine how many returns after studying in Britain. Give them another generation and they'll leave for themselves :)
Here's the UK Border Agency report immigration violation site:
www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/aboutus/contact/report-crime/
Just remember the names Fernando Zylberberg and the company Y&R that organised/filmed it.
Now here is the BBC complaints site. Remember that Y&R get quite a lot of their work in the UK from the BBC.
www.bbc.co.uk/complaints/
All you need to do is to get the BBC to explain why your license fee is being indirectly spent on supporting anti-british propaganda and Nazi style lebensraum.
I'm pretty sure both the UK border agency and BBC upon getting enough complaints are forced to investigate any cases and complaints.
It's only fair that they answer to the law really.
Considering that this nonsense goes against the principles of the Olympics, one would have thought the IOC would have made a comment.
They don’t make them like Jesse and Lutz anymore.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=quQopJmQry4
As far as the Olympics are concerned we must ensure that Fernando Zyleberberg and the Argentine Hockey Team have a memorable stay in our Nation.
Utmost respect = Completely disrespectful
So, I'd be expecting a lot more arg-respect from where that sack of propaganda came from.
Using a War Memorial as part of Argentine propoganda? How tasteless. All war memorials commemorate the fallen soldiers. WW1 was a particularly terrible war and we should always respect the fallen soldiers that ensured freedom rather than fascist rule. 'Lest We Forget'.
This has spectacularly back-fired on Argentina.
It's a memorial commemorating the sailors who fought in a naval battle in which British sailors died. It's not something for foreign visitors to do their step aerobics on.
End of.
So your point is that it is ok because it is only disrespecting fallen soldiers from WW1? Why don't you take a trip to Washington DC and try pulling a similar stunt on the DC War Memorial, and making it into a political advert against the US. See where that gets you.
What is remarkable is that planing actually went into this...and nobody thought “releasing a film of an athlete, during the anniversary of a war, to try to support the idea that the war was fought for, featuring the athlete doing step ups on a war memorial of the other side, this may just reflect badly Argentina”. Not the directors, not the athlete, not the PR company, not the foreign ministry, not the president...
These are the moments that I feel so ashamed of the conduct of this Government.
And ... no, not all argies aproves things in that way, specially those that like me, have 1982 stamped in their minds and souls forever with the invasion of the Falkland Islands by a fascist argentine military regime and approved by the 90% of the population.
I feel very sorry for my country because now, 30 years after, another 90% approved this kind of nazi propaganda, again.
Really ... is very sad. Looks like we have no future here.
“Using a War Memorial as part of Argentine propoganda? How tasteless. All war memorials commemorate the fallen soldiers. WW1 was a particularly terrible war and we should always respect the fallen soldiers that ensured freedom rather than fascist rule. 'Lest We Forget'.”
Absolutely right Elaine and very well said. WW1 memorials are used around the country to honour the dead not just for that conflict but those that have followed. The laying of poppies at these Memorials is testament to their continuing significance in the life of the Country and the debt we owe to those that died.
A sad episode that reflects badly on those involved in this foolish stunt and those that support it.
Given that the directors came from USA, presumably the US office of Y&R, that we all again watch Y&R CEO David Sable telling us how he's 'a light unto nations' and has a different and higher morality than everyone else.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_DLkwI5G-A
or 'Having a higher ethic than everyone else in the room... even if you believe in these people's innocence, they show zero remorse, shown zero respect for people they've hurt, shown zero respect for the people that they've hurt'
www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=mNDWzev7XZk
I don't see anyone from Y&R having any respect for the people they've hurt, or remorse ... or anyone having a higher ethic for that matter.All I've seen is cowardice, no morality and no ethics.
Is there any other kind of desecration videos that Y&R specialize in?
l mean ALL.
And it would greatly please me.
by John McCrae
In Flanders fields the poppies blow
Between the crosses, row on row,
That mark our place; and in the sky
The larks, still bravely singing, fly
'Scarce heard amid the guns below.
We are the Dead. Short days ago
We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow,
Loved and were loved, and now we lie
In Flanders fields.
Take up our quarrel with the foe:
To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high.
If ye break faith with us who die
We shall not sleep, though poppies grow
In Flanders fields.
I see the resident propagandist for the Malvinistas posted a photo to try and claim it wasn't a war memorial. Look again, the poppies are there because it is a war memorial.
The mere fact that you try to quibble about the offence you've caused and further insult the islanders with references to Andy Capp et al, demonstrates more than adequately Argentine waffling about “respect” for the islanders is utter bullshit.
Shame of the humiliated nation of Argentina.
How on earth can it further their cause?
It's all a bit of a puzzle.
Yet another way to isolate Argentina and again they did it to themselves.
You see?? that's 3 times in two days.
I think that Think thinks he / she has the upper hand on this one because he/ she is splitting hairs again by calling it a VICTORY monument monument and not a British War Memorial. It just goes to under line a/ how petty he/she is and b/ How he/she is missing the point.
Think, read 36 Darrás you would do well to take a leaf out of his book.
36 Darrás
Thank you for your kind and and the compassion that you've shown.
At 0:41 s trampling over war graves.
And some wanker is still repeating the same lies.
'
The 'cause' isn't union with the Falklands, Idlehands @ 49. It's distracting attention from the Argentine government's problems.
Simple as that. End of Issue.
An Arg propaganda stunt looks like ending in an own goal and yet another shot foot.
It really does show how desperate CFK is and how low she stoops!
Darras has it right and for all we know he represents the overwhelming majority of Argentinians rather than a certain supercilious troll.
Ohhhh my goooood……
I’ll NEVER be able to ride across a field covered with wild poppies again because of the FEAR of disrespecting any British sensibilities.
Poor, poor me and poor my old horse…………..
(51) toooldtodieyoung
You say:
”Think, read 36 Darrás you would do well to take a leaf out of his book.”
I say:
What am I supposed to do with a leaf out of the book of a fake Argentinean poster?
(52) Justin(hishead)Kuntz
You say:
”At 0:41 s trampling over war graves.”
I say:
Woooooow From ”VICTORY MONUMENT” to ”WAR MEMORIAL” to ”WAR GRAVES” in less than 24 hours
Are you mixing your PTSD medicine with alcohol again, lad?
54 M_of_FI
Writing about ”Personally inviting me to the Falklands” and saying that you: ”Would ”love” to meet me and have this debate with me”……… whilst insulting me on the very same line ?…..
Boy…..
What’s wrong with you?
Evil is never far from our shores. Freedoms are so easily lost. I guess the directors thought this was 'clever' and the actor thought it was fun. But it just cements the resolve of people's hearts that the hate, tyranny and evil of Argentina should never be allowed to dictate to the free world.
@14 A whining argie complaining about whining? Lovely!
@19 Argieland. What a wonderful welcoming country. Loads of queers, thieves, violent criminals, poverty, corruption, misanthropes, liars, crooks and neanderthal necrophiliacs.
@22 Do you know the difference between miles (distance units used by civilised intelligent people) and kilometres (distance units used by brain dead necrophiliacs who cannot use any measures unless they can be divided by 10).
@33 Beats 7-day argie “weekends”. Because argies don't understand the word “work”. Never had to do any.
@36 Well, that's one apparently honest argie apology. Only 41,281,630 war criminals to go.
@40 Even better, ban all South Americans. Too many turds in South America. Apologies to intelligent South Americans. About 1% of the population.
@48 Argies had to find yanks to front for them. Yanks will do ANYTHING for money. A reason Britain finally abandoned 13 colonies. They changed from being civilised to being akin to French, Italians, Spanish. All sub-humans with “ranges” in Southern Europe.
What was wrong with my post 47???
I just responded to Isolde's wish to kick all Argentinean out of the islands!
”(44) lsolde
Then………. run for MLA and kick all of them out…..
But….. I ”nearly” forgot…. You can’t yet….. You’re ”Still” a ”WhenI” ”
What's wrong with the above???
The US government banned - and the UK government did all they could to ban - their athletes from competing in Moscow in 1980. That was because of the Russian invasion of Afghanistan...! You could not make this stuff up.
Just come here Think, just come here.
l guarantee you a warm reception(you may not like it though!).
We'll parade you through the Globe & announce who you are.
Should be interesting!
Now, you're not a scaredy cat, are you oh blunt axe the mighty turnip?
Another argentine 'take' on how it works. You are perfectly entitled to boycott the games in protest about the Falklands. However if you do want to particiapate you are not entitled to use it as an opportunity for propaganda. It's clearly stated in IOC rules.
So your options are to turn up and shut up - or don't turn up and make all the noise you like.
Firstly, whilst I'm not exactly part of any indignant frenzy, could you let me know which types of monuments are acceptable for doing light exercise on, and which ones are not? There are a few around Córdoba of some Argentine soldiers hoisting a flag (in a very victorious looking fashion, I must add), and I'm wondering if my restraint from jumping up and doing a few squat thrusts has been unnecessary.......
......Also, I'm struggling to see what the point of this little propaganda piece was.....why the need to keep constantly reminding yourselves of something, that you're so sure is indisputable, undebatable, anti-colonialist, anti-piratas fact?
Brainwash anybody? ;)
Saludos,
Frase
It's like watching a train crash in slow motion, you know you shouldn't keep watching but its hard to take your eyes off it!
Even at my advanced age....., and as long as there is no more than three drunkard from the Globe against me at any given time....., and as long as they don’t use cheap Brutish tricks as billiard cues, darts or semi-automatic pistols....., I can’t see the problem...
I should have make the ad with Messi, Kun and Carlitos saying Malvinas are arg (that sure they believe so) and it would have been more cheap and easy and popular.
I'm affraid that you have allowed yourself to become duped by Argentine propaganda. The Falkland Islands have got absolutely nothing to do with Argentina. They never have been Argentine apart from the 1982 seizure. You can cry, sream and shout all you want but the facts are - you have no legal claim to the Falkland Islands.
You are a disgrace to the Argentine people, just like the crazy president and her “court”.
Some real Argentines like Darrás @36 are speaking for the sane people in our poor country.
I repeat what I said yesterday in other threads on this subject:
Speaking only for myself, I humbly beg forgiveness of the Falkland Islanders and the British posters for the crassness of my Government on this matter.
You have allowed yourself to be deluded by propaganda and should look at the historical facts.
Kind of makes you feel sad for them and their complete lack of morality really, makes you want to cry for them and their twisted belief system.
The Argentine govenment even failed to abide by a binding international award giving the Beagle Islands to Chile. They set up a maritime boundary consistent to Argentine claims.
They do have a twisted belief system which is not based on fact or honour.
Clearly the Falklands ARE currently British: its a fact.
If their position was “The Falklands are British, but by right they should be Argentinian”, they would at least be adopting a coherent, even though totally incorrect, position.
But as it is their position is factually incorrect and thus logically wrong.
Are they simply deluded? Or just incapable of logical, coherent thought?
Santa Cruz Province is unable to meet their salary this month. The max they can pay per person is U$ 2000. They didn't say when the remaining salary would be paid but guess they can always issue Patacones.
Y&R's awareness of its own lack of ethics explains FIG/Hanson's point as to why no Falkland Islanders in video - Y&R knew it would have deepened their lack of ethics and provided further fuel for a pr-industry review committee to yank their chain on this profit-making, duplicitous stunt.
www.bbc.co.uk/complaints/
www.wpp.com/wpp/newbusiness.htm
In the UK the press and vetrans see this for what it is a gross and crass violation of International Olympic Committee rules and a violation of Sport for the use as propaganda, something not attmpted since the 1936 Munich Olympics! It is totally and uttery disgusting!
I suspect its not the last we'll see of Argie attempts to exploit the Olympics - there was some talk a while back about their plan to do some sort of publicity stunt at the opening ceremony, or to put a “malvinas” message on the team uniform .....
Having duped the athlete to take part (his motivation was purely money), lied to gain entry to The Falklands, worked there illegally and snuck around the island at dawn to produce the product commissioned by the client, they handed it to Maximo and chums.
Maximo runs to Mama with the advert and she who worships him thinks it is all such a grand idea to broadcast. No one with even half a brain thought to consider the implications of disrespecting the war dead, offending the Falkland Islanders, sending a film crew to work illegally in The Falklands, breaking the rules of the Olympic charter or how it would reflect on the people of Argentina. And that there will be consequences.
A stupid idea, thought up by a terminally stupid Mama's boy to please CFKC's enormous ego.
The structure is a war memorial commemorating those that fought and died. The word Victory is not a dirty word but perhaps you are confused as Argentina has no direct translation of it as it has never been experienced by your country.
Really I do not want to enjoy a low-level an uneducated discussion with you.
I only want to state for the people in this place that I am not a “fake Argentinean poster” ... I live in Argentina, in Chacabuco, Buenos Aires province, and I work hardly to give the best for my family and to buy books that educated me and I learned to think clear / clever / smart.
I do not receive any special bonus from the Goverment like many of ours citizens, and also I PAY TAXES ... ( strange here ... work hard and pay taxes )
I never posted here before, I was only reading, but this huge insult to other nations, give me the reason to write my previous post @36.- “End of my transmission with you.”
Thank you for the other posters that appreciate my previos post @36. Have a good day.
@ 60 - Conqueror, quick question: as an Australian who has grown up being taught the metric system all my life (i.e. since the late 80's), in a country that has replaced the imperial system with the metric, do I (and Australia as a whole) classify as a brain dead necrophiliac?
Sad little man.
Good day to you too Sr. Frase..... our English Ex-Pat in the province of Cordoba.
Coach of the little British-Argentinean team Frase…… long time, no speak all right.....hope you're keeping well, as-well.....
Firstly, my ”personal” boundary to make step-ups in a training situation would be on consecrated religious places or over somebody’s graveplace.
Diverse steps, flights of steps, stairways, flight of stairs, staircases etc. on monuments, churches, temples, pyramids on any other structure on an urban or rural environment are fully acceptable in my point of view
I’m an Argie………………, not a Taliban…..
......Also, you, that have been living in Argentina for quite a while, should not be “struggling to see what the point of this little brain-gymnastics piece is.
You, that have been living in Argentina for quite a while, should know by now that we mean business.
You should know by now, my dear Frase.
Saludos cordiales
El Think
(72) Simon68
And you, my dear Simon68, are a fellow Argentinean citizen of mine, who’s right to comment, participate, criticize, oppose or insult our government and its policies in any democratic way, I highly respect and who’s rights I have spend most of my life defending.
If you feel like apologizing to the Brits, be my guest….please do so……
But that doesn’t make poster Darrás less of a fake…..
85 Darrás
Sure…… Suuuuure……
And I’m pure English, living in Notting Hill………
“End of my transmission with you.”
Chuckle chuckle©
I would like to know how much it cost the ad. And if Fernando participated in the marathon, to see if he was well trained at what post has he arrived.
If that happened how long before the Argentine govenment used that as some kind of “battlecry”?
Whaaah poor us ............ they banned us because they don't want us to win any medals.........blah blah blah..... we would have one you know....blah blah...if only they hadn't banned us........whaaah!
The UK had nothing whatsoever to do with producing this advertisement. If you think that you are very confused. But, more importantly, you clearly think the advertisement is offensive and distasteful otherwise you would not be trying so very hard to pass the responsibility to someone other than the Argentine government.
To reiterate, the Argentine government commissioned and paid for this advertisement. They hired a company to make the advertisemnt to their specific instructions. They approved it and broadcast it.
In Canada as in Australia, we've moved to kms/litres for road speeds/gasoline, but most Canadians still measure body height in feet/inches, some measure their weight in pounds, and food is in both pounds/kgs.
Of course, there is also the little matter of driving direction, and Canada (since that black day in 1922) has gone to the “right side” - a la Argentina. However, its interesting in that video, Zylberberg's run on a road is right smack on the middle line, neither left nor right - and the rest of his running is on sidewalks or cross-country.
As far as propaganda goes, it's not bad though. It shows British people that Argentinians like desecrating war memorials, and creeping around like cowards. Then when they win nothing in the Olympics, they'll just look like a bunch of losers.
So, it's not all bad, just aimed at the wrong audience.
“should know by now that we mean business”
Are we meant to be frightened by that?
The sad fact is that the Aregentinian government does not have a clue about “business”, about how to conduct itself, or about the need to comply with international law. Its made up of a bunch of corrupt, lying, opportunistic thieves.
You say: To reiterate, the Argentine government commissioned and paid for this advertisement. They hired a company to make the advertisemnt to their specific instructions. They approved it and broadcast it.
Yes, and the agency agreed to make it. If they didnt want, they could have no make it. They are NOT OBLIGATED to follow other instructions.
I dont find it disrepectful, I dont see offensive actions, like insulting, breaking, thieving, etc. Just someone training.
Sadly this seems to be about their level these days.
@ 94 DJ56
Dummy goes flying, rattle out the pram.
That's what makes you Argentine, and me British, because I have humanity.
Others people arent. Maybe that the reason you invade them , steal them etc.
He is not jumping graves. I see steps. Doesnt show were are them from.
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Wednesday, 1 May 2012
Tonnes of toxic waste collected from Argentina municipal dumps is being sent illegally to Patagonia in flagrant breach of this country’s obligation to ensure its rapidly growing mountain of defunct televisions, computers and gadgets are disposed of safely.
Hundreds of thousands of discarded items, which under Argentina law must be dismantled or recycled by specialist contractors, are being packaged into cargo containers and shipped to provinces such as Chubut and Santa Cruz, where they are stripped of their raw metals by young men and children working on poisoned waste dumps.
In a joint investigation by The Independent, Sky News, and Greenpeace, Toxic waste was tracked that was shipped illegally. Under environmental protection laws the waste was classified as hazardous and should never have been shipped.
The toxic waste, fitted with a satellite tracking device, was bought by a Buenos Aires-based dealer, one of dozens of operators buying up a significant proportion of the estimated 940,000 tonnes of domestic electronic waste, or e-waste, produced in South America each year and sending it for disposal.
At least a third of the waste is transferred to dumps where waste pickers scavenge amid a cocktail of burning heavy metals and dioxins
A spokesman for Consumers International, which is campaigning for tightened e-waste controls, said: “The sight of Argentinean children scavenging toxic wastelands overflowing with the nation’s unwanted computers and televisions makes a mockery of international bans to prevent the dumping of e-waste. Argentina has shown little desire to deal with the root cause of this problem.”
I don't expect anything from you Argtards, because you're incapable of delivering anything other than moral, legal and ethical culpability.
This is giving peace a chance right? *cough* bollox *cough*
ARGENTINE FISHERMEN ARE 'DINING ON DOLPHINS' CAUGHT ILLEGALLY IN THE FALKLANDS ISLANDS WATERS
Animals being 'hauled on board trawlers after becoming trapped in nets in Falklands Islands waters' -Wildlife experts believe fisherman are slicing fillets before throwing bodies back into the sea
By: AFP
PUBLISHED: 4 May 2012 |
Callous Argentine fishermen are eating steaks carved from dolphins which have been illegally caught in the South Atlantic Channel, conservationists claim.
Experts believe the animals are being hauled on board trawlers after becoming trapped in nets off the Falklands Islands waters.
Fillets of flesh are then sliced off to be eaten before the bodies of the highly intelligent mammals are callously tossed back into the water.
Threat: Common dolphins seen off the Falklands coats. Wildlife experts have accused Argentine fisherman of eating the animals
Since the beginning of January, Falklands Wildlife Trust's Marine Strandings Network has examined and recorded 50 dead dolphins and porpoises. Just under half, 23, showed distinct signs of having died in fishing gear.
A common dolphin, examined on the beach at in early April, one of five discovered in the same week, showed scars typical of a large trawler net from which it presumably tried to escape. A spokesman for South Atlantic Wildlife Trust said: 'A large fillet of flesh had been removed from the back - presumably for eating. 'This is a known practice on Argentine boats and Argentine pair trawlers were working close to the Islands waters at the time. 'The dolphin's tail had been cut off in the course of cutting the animal free from a winch strop which was used to lift it over the side of the boat
Argentina is by no means the only country with that problem.
Stop trying to shift blame elsewhere. The Argentine government hired an advertising company (an advertising company has no political leaning) to make an highly offensive advertisement for political reasons. They are solely responsible.
International opinion needs to be weighed on the secretive whale hunting by Argentina taking place in the South Atlantic each year killing hundreds of endangered whales.
Also, the slave labor used by Argentinian grape growers to harvest their crops in producing Malbec wine for export. AND certainly someone needs to bring up the use of illegal-artificial growth hormones being used in Argentine beef production....
The list goes forever... Don't cry for me Argentina
“Collateral Damage”, Malen...
The Anglos call it: “Collateral Damage”....
By the hundred thousands of it.........“Collateral Damage”....
Regards, how are things down there?
Agree with you, it would be a nice gesture though if one of their executives were to make an apology to the islanders for abusing their hospitality.
The statement released by Y and R regarding their office in Buenos Aires,
“It has come to our attention that our agency in Argentina created an ad for the Argentine government that has deeply offended many people in the UK around the world.
”We strongly condemn this work and have asked the Argentine government to pull the spot.
“While we don't believe it was ever the intention of the ad's creators to desecrate a war memorial, they behaved in a manner that is unacceptable to our company.
”Furthermore it is against our policy to be involved in anything that is politically motivated. In addition, this spot was also offensive to the Olympics spirit.
“Whatever it was the creators set out to highlight, what they produced is contrary to everything that we as a company stand for.
”We are deeply regretful for the pain this ad has caused and apologise to the many who have been rightly disturbed by it, as have we. ”
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/falklandislands/9246301/Sir-Martin-Sorrell-appalled-and-embarassed-by-Falklands-propaganda-video-made-by-his-ad-group.html
I agree there are likely to be a few more people out of work in Buenos Aires.
This really seems to return us to 1982, when Military Junta destroyed the previous attempts to a negotiated approach in dealing with their Falklands problem. Now, CFK chooses to exploit the 30th anniversary of that terrible invasion to relaunch her initiatives. Such poor timing!!
Why not just have a respectful commemoration of the dead this year, wait a year and then seek to get trust of Falkland Islanders and of Britain and get back to a pre-1982 approach? Forget this school-boy one-up-manship that CFK seems to crave now. That video is an embarrassment that just seems to typify the whole Argie approach. Just gets hackles up and won't be so productive (and certainly not justified) as a calm, careful, respectful approach. Its like CFK is only seeking short-term political brownie-points and doesn't really care that even Maximo's grand children will be no closer to grabbing the Falklands.
“The ad is totally, and I mean totally, unacceptable. The agency has formally apologised for any offence or pain caused. We are appalled and embarrassed by it.”
I suspect a few people have been having “not a good day”.
Fairly impressive/unequivocal apologies: if you mess up this is the way to start to deal with it.
Just read the article. Impressive client base, hardly suprising they are now engaged in a damage limitation excercise. Have to agree, heads will roll in the BA office.
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Maybe Turkey Neck will expropriate Y&R's Buenos Aires branch.
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/falklandislands/9246301/Sir-Martin-Sorrell-appalled-and-embarassed-by-Falklands-propaganda-video-made-by-his-ad-group.html
Damn good, damn cheap and damn effective……
You deserve a juicy wage increase...
It’s already gone viral…:-)
1) Argentina's 'Falklands Olympics' advert sparks row
www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-17948710
(Good commented video from the BBC…Warmly recommended by ”El Think”)
2) Argentina's Falklands Olympic ad an insensitive stunt, says UK
www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/may/04/falklands-olympic-ad-insensitive-stunt-argentina?newsfeed=true
3) Outrage as Argentinian TV advert shows athlete training for Olympics on the steps of British war memorial in the Falklands
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2139404/Falkland-Islands-London-2012-Olympics-ad-shows-athlete-training-British-war-memorial.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
4) Falklands Olympic advert is a stunt, says William Hague
www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/falklands-olympic-advert-is-a-stunt-says-william-hague-7714487.html
5) Foreign Office accuses Argentina of disrespect over video of Olympic hopeful training on Falklands war memorial
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/falklandislands/9245033/Foreign-Office-accuses-Argentina-of-disrespect-over-video-of-Olympic-hopeful-training-on-Falklands-war-memorial.html
Chuckle chuckle©
Interesting comments too
www.washingtonpost.com/world/islanders-angry-over-secretly-filmed-pre-olympics-ad-claiming-falklands-as-argentine-soil/2012/05/03/gIQAxPspzT_allComments.html?ctab=all_&#comments
As a thought experiment: imagine how shocking it would be for foreign government to make a video of one of their athletes training for an event to be held in the USA, showing that athlete doing step ups or otherwise jumping around on a memorial for the fallen in the National Mall, using the video to try to make a cheap political point against the USA, and then releasing the video during the anniversary of a war of aggression that foreign nation had launched against the USA.
It doesn't matter what you think of the rights and wrongs of any diplomatic dispute between the UK and Argentina, for the Argentine administration to try to score points by releasing a video of an Argentine athlete training for London 2012 doing step-ups on the British war memorial in Port Stanley during the 30th anniversary of the Falklands Conflict is at best utterly incompetent, at worst a deliberate attempt to insult
This Argentine athlete abused the Islanders' hospitality, pranced about on the war memorial, and politicized an international sporting event to make a propaganda film claiming ownership over his neighbors, who not that long ago were victims of Argentine aggression.
It's shameful. His invitation to the London Olympics should be rescinded
You should complain to Camoron. and ask for sanctions against WPP plc. But to be honest you will not get any chance to change anything.
@Frase
I guess you will have no problems doing whatever you want in a ARG. monument as far you don’t damage it in any way.
I'm affraid that you have allowed yourself to be indoctrinated by Propaganda and not historical facts.
The facts regarding the Falkland Islands are:
During the 1600-1800 period the Falkland Islands changed hands many times between Britain, Spain and France until France gave up and Spain and Britain signed a truce. When Spain was thrown out of South America from various wars of independence, Britain was left with the last standing legal claim. However, the early Argentine Republic decided it wanted the Falkland Islands but instead of claiming it, it attempted to subdue the private/penal colony of one Loius Vernet who had already gone to the British for permission to be there and he had recognised the British ownership of tyhe Islands. Later realizing that Vernet was in league with the Argentinians the British sent a ship to take direct control of the settlement and eject the garrison but allowed the settlers to stay on. While this irritated Argentina, by 1850 Argentina had forgotten about the Islands and legally dropped its claim in a treaty with the UK.
It was only as late as the 1950's that Peron distorted historical facts with rhetoric and propoganda.
The advert was made for and issued by the Argentine government. Why are so many Argentines trying to distance themselves from the advert?
I though Hague summed it up well by saying that the Argentine government has had a few diplomatic setbacks recently and this was a poor attempt at regaining some pride.
“Argentina's 'Falklands Olympics' advert sparks row”
(“Sparks Row” in Scandinavian would translate to: “Kicks Ass” :-)))
www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-17948710
I specially luuuuv the whining of the Island squatter at the end…..
“As if……. We don’t exist”
Whiiiiiiine……
Keep it up CFK; the more the better. The more she winds thie Falklands issue up the higher the hopes of her flock are going to get. The higher her flock's hopes get, the harder they will fall when they realise it was all to no avail.
Chuckle chuckle.
Argentina exists in 100th place in the Worldwide Corruption index. In the red way below Chile and Urguay. (Britain is in 16th place).
I'm affraid your thinking has been corrupted by propaganda and lies.
Saludos todos bien ustedes espero. Usted debe trator de Guinness, el mas grande de expotacion de Irelandia. Hope the spanish is not to bad, courtesy of google tranlstor. Rational is not a word I associate with KFC. This latest stunt as well and truely come back to bite her in the ass.
@125 I do not think hsi invitation should be rescinded, he is just an unwitting pawn of silly woman.
@127 DB
We do not sanction companies in this country for making adverst, people will simply not put their business their way. They have apologised for poor lack of judgement, that is enough.
Show disrespect to an Argentinian war memorial and nothing will happen to you providing you do not damage it. Sorry, do not believe that for a single milli second. You could always prove me wrong, why not run around the Malvinas memorial in BA waving the union flag, report back the result.
May 04th, 2012 - 04:41 pm
Although you “Think” you are clever, you are really as stupid as the propaganda spot. You have absolutely no sense of shame just like uor disgusting Government.
It would be better if you just shut yourself up in you Chubut wilderness and kept out of sensible discussions.
“we know we are inferior...”
and the other
“I don't understand the logic behind the advert”
And you pointed this out to us Think. You deadbeat!
Chuckle chuckle.
Next time you choose a red wine from the southern hemisphere at Tesco think about the following:
The Killing Fields of Argentina–The Annual South Atlantic Baby Seal Hunt
EFE Jose Duignano - May 4, 2012
The annual Argentinean baby seal hunt is again scheduled for November. Although little known, the the target is the infant of the species. For six to eight weeks each spring, the ice floes of the South Atlantic waters turn bloody, as some 300,000 harp seal pups, virtually all between 2 and 12 weeks old, are beaten to death—their skulls crushed with a heavy club called a hakapik—or shot. They are then skinned on the ice or in nearby hunting vessels after being dragged to the ships with boat hooks. The skinned carcasses are usually left on the ice or tossed in the ocean.
Thousands of other wounded pups (estimates range from 15,000 to 150,000 per year) manage to escape the hunters but die later of their injuries or drown after falling off the ice (pups younger than about 5 weeks cannot swim). The seals are hunted chiefly for their pelts, which are exported to China, Vietnam, Hong Kong, Turkey, Russia, and other countries, where they are used to make expensive designer-label coats and accessories. Among the major vendors of these products are the Italian fashion-wear companies Gucci, Prada, and Versace.
The Argentinean seal hunt has provoked worldwide outrage and intense protest by animal-rights, environmental, and scientific groups, by national governments, and by some international governmental institutions, such as the European Union, all of which have objected that it is viciously cruel and, in its typical size, a serious threat to the long-term survival of the harp seal species. Both charges have been vehemently rejected by Argentina’s Department of Fisheries and claims that the hunt provides an important source of revenue for Patagonia’s economy and that seal hunting in Argentina is an economically viable.
I have to agree with you. I'm happy with it too. It's a huge, huge, blunder on their part.
First you pirateer my Islands....
And now you even pirateer my Chuckle chuckle!
Chuckle chuckle©
1. Winding them up.
2. Reading their rediculous attempts to act like they really do believe they are riding high on a wave that will soon wash us all off the Falklands and out to sea.
Nothing has changed and nothing will. We're still in the Falklands and you're no closer to getting your hands on them long-term than you have ever been. Keep trying though. You're cheaper than cable TV.
1) The only one you managed to “wind up” until now, was poor Chilean Chicureo.....
And he is on your side! :-)))
2) It is spelled “ridiculous”
I don't have cable........ I have you
Chuckle chuckle©
IBA News Wire: Dog Fighting in Argentina
On May 3, 2012, the SBS TV program called “TV Animal Farm” exposed the horrific reality of dog fighting in Argentina.
The program showed an entrenched dog fighting culture in which people watching dog fighting as a form of national entertainment.
In the dog fights, dogs are not necessarily forced to kill each other. The fighting ends when there is a clear winner. But ultimately, it is still a fight to the death because the losers of dog fights very quickly end up as lasagna meat at Italian restaurants in Buenos Aries.
Dogs that survive fights can sustain serious injuries and are only treated with an antibiotics injection. They do not get proper veterinarian care.
For the training, dogs are forced to run on running machines without a break. Their necks are tied to the machines, preventing any escape and forcing them to run.
Argentinean police ignore the problem, since it appears that there are connections between the police and people in dog-fighting industry. Typically, it is an industry involving gambling and government corruption.
I like the way they jump on anything that seems to justify their lust for other peoples land and then fall away in desperation when everything they say is shown to be untrue and complete nonsense.
Anyway we have Fernando Zyleberberg and his hockey team mates coming to see us shortly. Perhaps he would be better advised to issue a grovelling apology and give the money he received, for performing like a chimp, to the British Legion.
The company behind the video has reprimanded their people in Argentina, publically apologised, admitted that there has been an outcry from the UK and the rest of the world and asked the RG to pull the video (fat chance of that happening).
Imagine trampling up and down a war memorial. Disgusting.
I hope the Argentine President apologizes to the Queen, the British People and the Falklands Islanders for the obvious hurt and offence caused.
there were never, ever, your islands. period!
You must understand….
We have to kill all those dolphins to feed the tens of thousands destitute children in the middle of the Patagonian steppe, scavenging on those thousands of square miles of wasteland covered with a meter high strata of imported toxic waste full of phthalates dioxins and radioactive debris.
And we need to kill all those baby seals, not only to satisfy the rich women of the word but also to feed with their carcasses the hundred of thousands of fight dogs we so lovingly train to kill.
That's the way we are........
Chuckle chuckle©
I have sent an e-mail to sky News telling them that if this person is allowed a propaganda coup live on UK television I will instantly cancel my Sky subscription. It beggars belief that this person will be pandered to given her country's insulting behaviour towards our country.
Perhaps others should do the same.
(I understand that both Joe and Guzz are vegetarians)
Net News May 3, 2012
Former Argentine President, Néstor Carlos Kirchner, craved cocaine and cars, farted uncontrollably due to his vegetarian diet and was injected with semen from young bulls to keep up with his sexually active wife, Cristina Fernández, according to a rarely seen and historic cache documents discovered at the Casa Rosada and set for public auction next week.
The documents include the original 47-page classified report of President Kirchner, craved cocaine and cars, farted uncontrollably due to his vegetarian diet and was injected with semen from young bulls to keep up with his sexually active wife, Cristina Fernández, according to a rarely seen and historic cache documents discovered at the Casa Rosada and set for public auction next week.
The documents include the original 47-page classified report of the former president’s health culled from post-mortem interviews with his six chief doctors and that include diaries of what he heard Kirchner said, such as, “Blair and Bush are monkeys.”
The Kirchner cache, which is up for sale May 8-9 at Alexander Historical Auctions, a well-known seller of historical items.
The classified doctor’s report includes several extensive details about his health. Panagopulos said it quotes Kirchner doctor Theodore Morrell confirming that Nestor and Cristina had sex though they slept in separate beds and that he was injected with semen from young bulls to spark his libido. Under the section “Sex Characteristics,” the classified report said:
Panagopulos said the report also notes that Nestor “suffered from uncontrollable flatulence” due to his veggie diet, something the Argentine leader took pills for.
The longer report from Giesing noted Nestor’s cocaine use to clear his sinuses and that the doctor had to cut the dosage because the father of the “Malvinas Solution” craved it because it made him happy.
I sense you are in pain, mate!
You sound like a man in severe need of animal proteins.
Tell that wife of yours to hold the leek and onion quiches and make you a real Curanto with mariscos, pollo, longaniza, cordero, pescado, cerdo, pavo, guanaco, buey y cualquier otro bicho que se mueva.
You do know that “Guzz” actually believes that the US orchestrated 9/11 as a means to go to war against the Muslims. I am serious, he actually beleives that they murdered 3,000 of their own people to start the war against terrorism. How in gods name/ can you hold a serious discussion with someone with those beliefs. Makes some of our RG posters, look like pussies.
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Misiones and Formosa Provinces are provinces of Argentina that were seized and annaxed by Argentina from Paraguay this page is dedicated to address Argentine hyporcacy and ensuring their return to Paraguay.
How despicable…................, an Argentinean athlete doing step ups on the steps of a despicable Victory Monument celebrating a despicable battle fought some hundred years ago during a despicable fratricidal European war……
Tell me…. ……………..
How many civilians did you kill TODAY in Afghanistan, my dear Brits?
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Misiones and Formosa Provinces are provinces of Argentina that were seized and annaxed by Argentina from Paraguay this page is dedicated to address Argentine hyporcacy and ensuring their return to Paraguay.
I have difficulty right now with my diet. I am attempting to increase my protein consumption, but it's physically challenging.
#157 He's hopeless. Last night he was talking to his other false identities as if they were someone else. (Telling for example “Uruguayan” to ignore us... )
It was not an honorable war by any means. It was just the Brits, French, Germans and Italians fighting for “I got the bigger sack” rights.
What the Brits are really pissed is about the commercial filmed right outside their beloved racist Globe Tavern :-))))
latino.foxnews.com/latino/news/2012/05/04/argentine-olympic-ad-angers-british/
NONE
how many people rights has CFK abused today
my dear argies .
“The Guardian has learned that a British soldier was given an unspecified punishment after an Afghan was fatally shot in the neck while praying in a field. In other cases, a soldier punched and knocked out an Afghan, and another fired a flare into an Afghan's face”
www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/mar/29/uk-soldiers-disciplined-afghanistan
Advertising agency Young & Rubicam apologized for the ad created by its agency in Argentina, saying the spot was deeply offensive to people around the world and to the Olympic spirit.
“We strongly condemn this work and have asked the Argentine government to pull the spot,” it said in a statement Friday, adding that the ad’s creators “behaved in a manner that is unacceptable” to the company.
Its statement did not mention how much Young & Rubicam was paid for the commercial, or if it plans to return the money. :-):-)
Furk man……
Get well soon…………. so I can enjoy annihilating you with my superior Argentilligence, you small footed, Chilean Untermensch……………….. :-)
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It's only right that Argentina first addresses its own hyocracy by re-examining its own history before talking about taking more land it has never had soverignty over. Not just the Falklands but South Georgia and the South Sandwhich Islands.
as per 128
You have been duped. How does it feel?
Has Argentina really “Annaxed” soo much?
What an “hypOcraCy”!
Good of you to “spUm” us with Argentina's true “hUstorI”
Not such a perfect country are you. A bit different though when you tried it on with real soldiers.
Out of date, no proof ,
You have been duped again.
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And if the film crew were using Sony Camcorders, does that make the Japanese responsible? Seems like you're keen to shift the blame on this infantile stunt to anyone but your own government. No, malen, the WPP owners of the advertising agency are livid. Even if the government had not instigated it, The Black Widow purchased it and with the help of your national(s) broadcasters, transmitted with a 'Ha ha ha aren't we clever' and a 'but its for our fallen soldiers' so it's all great. I can feel the warm glow of your country's embarrassment from here and I can hear the global 'tut tut tut' too. Time you saw the truth of your country's rhetoric and behaved like global citizens.
Think, let me suffer the remedy for a time and I shall arise again. A good bife ancho and decent vino tinto will bring me back to the living...
Argentine hero :-))))))
Falkland Island Hero's Brutal Past Discovered
www.npr.org/2012/04/01/149780028/argentine-war-heros-ties-to-torture-uncovered
A paltita reina con camaroncitos and a glass of Torrontés demi-sec for starters wouldn't hurt either......
And they gave him a fucking medal,not any old medal,but the highest argie award :-))))))
He was awarded posthumously the Argentine Nation to the Heroic Valour in Combat Cross and promoted to the rank of Captain
www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-17963577
As I have told you before, you are useful to spread the message against the Argentinean dictatorship bastards and the British double moral …..
You say:
”And they gave him (Pedro Giachino) a fucking medal, not any old medal,but the highest argie award :-))))))”
I say:
Yes…..., “THEY” did.
Who are “THEY”?
“THEY” are the military bastards which Britain and America favored during the seventies.
“THEY” are the military bastards to whom Britain sold arms that killed British soldiers.
“THEY” are the military bastards that WE have put in jail for their crimes.
”A number of witnesses' statements surfaced in 2011, accusing Giachino of being the commander of the illegal repression of militants in the area of Zárate-Campana, in northern Buenos Aires Province, between 1976 and 1977, during the dirty war. Circumstancial evidence also mentions him as being in charge of the external security of Mar del Plata's naval base, at a time when a part of the military facilities was used as a detention and interrogation center. His death prevents any further legal investigation, but the pressure of Human Rights groups compelled the City Council of Mar del Plata to remove his portrait from the chamber, where both the fallen soldiers from Mar del Plata and the local victims of the Argentine dictatorship are honoured.[4]
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedro_Giachino#Alleged_Human_Right_violations_during_the_1976_dictatorship
Sounds wonderful with cebiche de pulpo y pescado, angulas al pil pil, centolla magallánica y machas a la parmesana... but ...maldita quimioterapia... Abbott Ensure is my selection tonight.
And will these chaps give their medals back,seeing they were awarded by to use your words the military bastards
Argentine Army
Lieutenant Roberto Estévez - 25th Infantry Regiment (Argentina)
Lieutenant Ernesto Emilio Espinosa - 602 Commando Company
Sergeant First Class Mateo Antonio Sbert - 602 Commando Company
[edit] Argentine Navy
Frigate Captain Pedro Edgardo Giachino - Amphibious Commandos Group
Sub-Officer First Class Julio Castillo [1]. The ship ARA Suboficial Castillo (A-6) was named after him.
[edit] Argentine Air Force[2]
Captain Omar Jesús Castillo - Pilot Grupo 4
Captain José Daniel Luis Vazquez - Pilot Grupo 4
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International Olympic Committee, Château de Vidy
Case postale 356
1001 Lausanne
Switzerland
Shit! you telling me they were'nt all conscripts after all! Well I'll be f..cked! Thought we were fighting cold little boys who did not want to be there!
Yes this one was a right charmer,got the argie VC for being the first argie killed WTF
Falkland Island Hero's Brutal Past Discovered
www.npr.org/2012/04/01/149780028/argentine-war-heros-ties-to-torture-uncovered
Love the Sir, he was payed, received the money, and now apologizes. A master.
The ad for me its good. you dont like it. so sorry, a pity. We dont like your militarisation, and look you are coming with missiles and arms. thats offensive.
Imagine any accident in the region, if you kill between yourselves in your particular humanitarian way, its your own mistake, but if it is pointing somewhere else, thats the problem. And you are fond to commiting colateral damage.
Why don't you go and ask the Libyans or the Bosnian Muslims what they think about NATO? Fhen come back with the answer.
I have posted fathers crying for their sons dead.
Or do you think I lie??
come on crying babies of steps, you look ridiculous with your double moral.
Oh think, think!! You've really f**ked yourslf now haven't you? and in public too, have you no shame? Before you started on the “British double moral” you should have listen to what your countrymen said shouldn't you? I suppose you know of Colonal Manual Dorrego? oh well...
Because he knew a thing or two, He thought he knew it all......
This is what he had to say about the minefields your countrymen so thoughtfully left on the Falklands and YES!! there is no such place as Islas Malvinas:-
There is no reason, in my judgement, why today England should have left minefields that have not been cleared on the Islands. If I were a 'kelper', I would make a demand, not on those who left them, but on England, to clear the mines, which would give them the peace of mind they need. The cost would signify absolutely nothing to England, if this brings peace of mind to the village that is there.
If I were a 'kelper' I would have liked not to be invaded in the first place and seems how there was nothing I could do about that, I would have liked the Argentinian scum not to have left their mines in our country. What do you say “Think”?
A clear case of Argentinian double standards I “Think”, Don't you?
bullshit comes from the back end, not the front.
Oh how envy annoys the losers,
The failures admire the achievers.
Jealousy upsets and distorts the brain.
Still be proud of your government, you won’t get another one for decades to come.
For as they say,
Inside every CFK is a blogger waiting to get out .
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lts shown the world the type of peope that we have to deal with. ha ha.
Hey, malen.
lt was all a British plot made just to ensnare you stupid Argentines & make you look bad to the world!
And guess what?
lt worked! You do look callous & stupid.
Think,
Take the advice of your embarrassed countryman & stay in Chubut.
Crawl back under the stone you came out from.
Snigger snigger.
do you apologize only for steps, not for innocents killed??
a handcrachief for you babies
a handkrachief for you babies.
You really are a piece of work. pride of your nation, You still have not answered my question. Where is the Bosnian muslim., Kosovan or Libyan that agrees with you about NATO. Innocents killed! look to your own before you accuse others! Since when did a single Falkland Islander do anything to you or anyone else for that matter!
tell that to the thousands you lot made dissapeared,
before condemming others,
Including I somewhat think that “UKforever” is “Malvinero1” who is also “Guzz”....
The boy needs psychological help... I need a dram of Scotch whisky...
But if you put in google libyans against NATO: you can find:
www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=28845
or other articles like: People of Trípoli defend their city against NATO-rats rebels, and so on. Make your own opinion on that subject.
Yes innocents, people, killed.
Im talking about britishs as part of NATO.
You are british, so, its for you too.
Have a nice day.
He will come back with the same old F..cking excuse. It was'nt them it was the Junta. One poxy army and a nation that did not have the balls to do anything about them. Makes you sick, doesn't it, wasn't me (weep, weep weep) it was them, (weep,weep,weep.)
What did any resident of Buenos Aires do for you to try (and fail) to invade them 200 years ago and try to sell them to slavery?
no, another fucking lie from you. the people defending Tripoli were the supporters of Gaddafi, a wanted terrorist who is now thankfully dead.
Libya now liberated for their own people, rather than a dictator (ring any bells, dictator?) running the show.
its always the other guys fault,
the argies are angels with wings , are they not .
they are in a civilian war, with NATO troops, with the cities destroyed, no restauration, nor services in function, nor peace, not a recoignized authority, nor oil (in custody by NATO ejem, ejem), no laws, no elections, no peace, people flee, people been killed, and the peace you were going to bring after killing the dictator????You believe everything your gov tells you??
go to libya and ask to them what they think, perhaps you can come back alive.
You can find all the links you like. Just produce one, just one, thats not hard is it, Come on find one, who will agree with you. After all this is the internet. Just produce one. You can not, can you! because it is not the trueth and you know it. I do not need an Argentinian telling me what someone else, a Bosnian muslim, a Kosovan ot a Libyan thinks. I'll listen to them.
NATO defeated in Libya. Pravda.ru. 7/11/11
Libyan freedom fighters vow to fight on against NATO and its rebels. 29/11/11
Libyan free press.
go and search if you are interested.
who destroyed the fucking cities man - Gaddafi? who destroyed the cities in syria - Assad - wake the fuck up.
lets face it, you dont give a shit about the innocent or democracy or anything else,
its all just anti british, full stop.
I'm still reeling from someone who would quote fucking Pravda. It shows who we are dealing with on this board, a bunch of commy arseholes. then for Pravda to actually refer to Gaddafi's henchmen as “freedom fighters” frankly takes the breath away.
Laughable.
You are so humanitarian. Believe me.
Also it has been humanitarian bombing Libya. and so on.
yeh we have heard it all before .
We may not be perfect but if it was left to Rg Land the whole world would be filled with arseholes like Chavez, Gaddafi, Saddam, OBL and the iranian Mullahs without any checks and balances. You opt out and take no difficult decisions.
Argentina's contribution to the world is frankly fuckall compared to the UK, US, EU etc. Youre just trouble.
Syria = no oil
Libya = no army
Syria = real army
I think it's clear why NATO chose one people and sacrificed the Syrians to their death.
libya = needed help
syria= backed by russia
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
perhaps .
make your f,,cking mind up man. One minute NATO is the devil incarnate for intervening in Libya and the next it's the same for not intervening in Syria!!!!
That was my point. :)
Perspipacious indeed. NATO is a scourge.
Was Libya better under Gadaffi? Please I want to hear this!
Good enough for the UK and France to cozy up to Gadaffi for decades. Ask yourself and your government.
I wont argue with that.
@98 You're making the horrible mistake of thinking of argies as people. They aren't. Well, maybe half-a-dozen.
@103 Innocents? You went there, did you? Asked them?
@127 Of course you don't understand. That's because you're a thick, ignorant, lying argie. Could you do the world a favour by jumping in front of a train? Assuming you have one that works!
@190 Our missiles and arms are there for a simple purpose. To protect and defend the Falkland Islanders and THEIR home. A good tip would be for you and any of your cretinous pals to avoid upsetting us. You know how those things can just “go off”.
@192 Of course you lie. You're an argie. You wouldn't know how to do anything else.
@203 Read your link. And how stupid are you? Is it because it's in a proper language that you can't understand it? Can you see the contradictions? Do you want to start with the title of the article that includes “NATO Occupation”? Do you recall all those news videos showing U.S., British and French forces storming ashore? What about all the videos of their camps and of their armoured forces fanning out across the country?
@205 Glad you mentioned that. Did you happen to notice that Buenos Aires was “legally” Spanish at the time? Did you also happen to notice that Britain and Spain were at war? In 1807 the British Slave Trade Act made the slave trade illegal throughout the British Empire. Not a lot of point in “try to sell them to slavery”.
@211 None so blind as those who do not want to see. I had a look at his “NATO defeated in Libya”. Typical Russian/Communist propaganda. The other article is just as funny. The reference to “indiscriminate........shelling by NATO” is highly amusing since NATO never put any artillery on the ground. How easy it is to con the already brain-washed!
You seem to like to blame us for the actions of our government. yet you seem loath to acccept reponsibility of yours. Am I the only one who, gets the feeling of double standards here! Hypocracy! Biase etc,etc,etc,etc Must be marvelous to live in Utopia!
Spain evacuated Buenos Aires precisely to keep it out of the fighting. Thus there were not SPanish troops there.
Which is why the residents of Buenos Aires had to for militias. I know adding 1 + 1 can be difficult...
Furthermore, you can't have it both ways. You can't say “The Falklanders have been there for over 200 years, longer than argie as a country”, and then deny the same rights to citizens of Buenos Aires. Many could trace their lines back to the 1500s, meaning they had lived in BA for 300 years. Never been to Spain or any relation to that country. Mestizo and mulatto... It was them that defeated the British not the Spanish. Within 36 months they were officially argentines... do you think the change happened in those 36 months or perhaps it was long before established that they did not think of themselves as SPanish?
@226
I said no such thing. Where did I?
Are you taking your medication?
On the steps?
Would those steps be the ones the nuns mounted into the planes that then dropped them in the sea?
Clean up your own kitchen malena, before you point your finger at someone elses.
@229Guzz,
Have the Brits conquered another country?
Where are these malvinas that you talk about?
ln the Pacific ocean, maybe?
Don't let the cream-bun followers do it. Grow a pair.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cv92kkaiFOc (it is a thin zero, instead of the 0 i have here)west-chosen rulers push Libya into real civil war.......in youtube
rt.com/news/nato-libya-sirte-war-411/
And you argies are such a role model ?
Starving to death in Argentina
www.youtube.com/watch?v=QV5OGsyOcPw
To the British, whether they were colonial or mainland Spanish, they were still Spanish.
They may have thought of themselves as Criollo rather than Peninsular, but they did not become officially Argentine until 1831.
Although 1810 does seem to be the point in Argentine history at which the descendants of European settlers in Argentina, magically transformed into indigenous people, with the right to call Islanders illegal settlers, ect ect.
• Showing the world, that the Falkland Islands have a population.
• Damaging Argentinas international credibility
• Boosting the Falkland Islands tourism industry
• Highlighting to the world, the Argentine Govt. is a disrespectful, deceitful and desperate bunch of liars.
Good luck in London Fernando, I’m sure the locals will give you a special welcome…
www.youtube.com/watch?v=VetuOlwcmqU
www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=CrPZsmSf7bA
@228 Yes, thank you. I have medication for incipient arthritis, high blood pressure and strong analgesics for the wedge collapse of the twelfth thoracic vertebrae due to exterior trauma. Are you taking your medication for your permanent psychosis. The one where you think you are a human being, or even a person. Get your witch doctor to increase your dosage until you can see that you're a monkey!
@241 You are needing more cyanide.
l am not crying malena, but you probably are as it gradually dawns on you that your country will NEVER get its thieving hands on OUR lslands.
Labeled as a “comedy-drama”, Fuckland - and now the recent Y&R spot would seem to be a metaphor on how cunning the Argentine film-makers are - and how trusting the Falklanders. How low the Argentine film-makers will stoop - and be wildly applauded for their exploits by their compatriots.
Fucklands summary in English: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuckland
Full movie in Spanish: www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rikVmz2tTM
Yes
We fully understand why you abuse us , and insult us , threaten the islanders , and say such nasty un human things, but we do understand that its not your fault, you know not what you say, its not your fault that you are indoctrinated and brainwashed into saying sutch things,
One day when you taste freedom of speech and real democracy, you will wonder why you ever said bad things,
You must learn to recite the following
CFK has brain washed me,
Please just come and look and see,
Don’t blame us for what we say,
We want CFK to go away,
Freedom freedom free-Dom,
We don’t want to be brain washed,
Tell CFK to please get lost,
Please tell her to see reason,
Then she give me my freedom,
Freedom freedom , free-Dom.
Ahh that’s better
Be British, you know it makes sense .
.
Enjoy, sour person.
Gosh.
The UKGNI (the current formal name of UK as a nation) was not either formally formed until 1927.
“The name “United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland” was introduced in 1927 by the Royal and Parliamentary Titles Act to reflect the reality that the de facto independence of the Irish Free State, created by the partitioning of Ireland in 1922, left Northern Ireland as the only part of the island of Ireland still within the UK”
And?
Nations always are in formation may be changing names and borders.
BTW Falklands doesn’t exist according with you theory because none recognises it as a nation and you claim to be British. So sounds very like a British illegal colony. Eh!
@Britishbulldog
Ha ha ha “To catch a bus on Falkland soil... We advice not using an Argentina timetable” he ehe he
I will put on a new spot “To catch a bus on Falkland soil... Better bring your own car there, because they are toooo old” ”
ha ha ahahahahahahahahahahahah
@ Conqueror
“you're a monkey!”
And since when “Affen” call monkeys to humans?
www.youtube.com/watch?v=fr9QHpCE8xE&feature=related
www.youtube.com/watch?v=spUO7rX04qg
ha ha
Jump, jump Conqueror (btw you have to ask how high master)
Enjoy that information.
the british falklands are british .
I don't care what the war memorial was commemerating - you Argentines showed disrespect, contempt and a loutish willingness to trample on the memory of the fallen. It is disgusting.
If a British athelete did the same on any of your national memorials, you too would be disgusted, and rightly so.
@dannyberger - facepalm yourself or roll your eyes skyward all you like . Your propaganda video achieved precisely the opposite affect of what Argentina intended.
All you have done is show how British the Falklands are- and show yourself to be single minded yobs. The ICO has rightly condemmed your country for politicising the games.
@marcio- I know what - why don't you apologise for making us send warships to the South Atlantic to liberate the Falklands from your unprovoked facsist invasion and occupation - then apolgise for all the war deaths you caused.
@tobias - so what about your analysis - get over it, welcome to the world of realpolitik. Besides we owed Gaddafi for backing the IRA and gunning down people (including WPC Yvonne Fletcher) in the streets of London - and then lets not forget Lockerbie.
Besides - Turkey may yet do something about Syria- that would invoke support from us.
NATO kept the Soviet Union at bay - and still has relevance, when we face aggressors like you.....................
They are going to be paying alot more for their heating this winter.
t a price 26% above the cancelled Repsol price! I wonder if they will let the ships dock?
l'd rather be an affe than a sauer kraut.
Pimmelkopf!
I also saw some news that will upset our 'Mendoza is glorious' friends about some police officer shooting up a child's party because it was too loud.
The spawn of “Think” and “Guzz”. Then mated with “Marcos alejandro” to produce “Chicureo”
The Argentinian's couldn't even accept it when a binding international awarded the Beagle Islands to Chile and set up a maritime boundary consistent with their claims. Even the Pope came down on the side of Chile.
The country will not accept historical facts and has filled the minds of their children with inaccuracies since the time of Peron. It is evident that reading some of the comments in this blog that these very Argentinian's brought up on a diet of misinformation are writing above. The present Argentine government will not even admit that their inflation is 25% stating that in is only 10/12%. It is this Argentine government that have a British ambassador's like Castro and a foreign ambassador like Timerman - both joke politicians on a world stage. All this is evident by just looking at the fact that Argentina lies in 100th place in the Worldwide Corruption Index alongside Benin, Burkino Faso and Madagascar which shows that the country lacks basic honesty.
Lady keep your manners please. Will you?
Fijáte acá en mis posts nº 36 y 85. Me alegra encontrar otro como vos acá, y realmente me siento como el orto, porque esto me recuerda a cuando en 1982 salieron todos los pelotudos a apoyar a Galtieri.
Es una cagada ser de la “minoría pensante” en la Argentina de hoy, más allá
de que uno haya votado a CFK ó no.
Hoy día, todos los foros de los medios locales ( Infobae, Clarín, Perfil, etc ) están llenos de posteadores full-time, que seguro cobran planes ó tienen
algún otro tipo de beneficio del poder político, y que entran a meter kilombo, bardear y ofender.
A eso sumale los que tienen la cabeza quemada, y actúan como los argentinos de 1982 .... es realmente triste. Feliz domingo ...
@ the other posters
OPDZ, is sad to see that there were only 3 ó 4 Argentinos that feel sorry for the incident into this post. ( Look to my posts nbr. 36 and 85.)
I am happy to see one more here, and I feel very bad because that situation remember me the times when in 1982 all the Argtards went to the streets
to support Galtieri.
Today, it is a trouble position to be into the “thinking minority” in Argentina,
independiently that you have voted CFK or not.
Today, all the forums in the local media ( Infobae, Clarín Perfil, etc ) are full of full-time posters that receive a compensation from the politic power, that come into posting to bashing, trolling and offend )
In addittion with those, there are also many that are brain-washed and behaves like the 1982 argtards .. it is really sad. Have a happy Sunday ...
Well said.
Then they go back to Maximo and he gives them a free stay in one of the hotels that he recently bought with $2.1 Billion that he found, that is totally unrelated to the $2.1 Billion that was given to Aerolingus 'plummet' Argentinas and went missing.
We all know what happens.
www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/may/04/us-stolen-land-indian-tribes-un
Maybe you should spend more time and effort getting back to giving Argentina to those brown folks who lived there before you [and you systematically exterminated].
Carry-on.
You really need to sort yourself out.
So its OK for you to insult, but you don't like it when it happens to you?
Typical Argentine hypocracy!
l never said that l'm a Lady, the question is, are you a gentleman?
Being a malvinista, probably not.
@268GreekYoghurt,
malen says that she is a she!
Don't you sense the vitriolic nastyness that only a female could post?!!!!!!!!!!!!
Doesn't stop her from having a girlfriend of course!
Just me, but l much prefer men's company.
Gooood Girl!
I started reading your post and I must admit that you had me tempted for a while…...........
I was even going to buy you a pint afterwards. (One doesn’t need teeth to drink)
I thought you were offering a Good Ol’ fistfight ………………
Until I came to the “So We Trained Using Argies back in '82” part.
What’s your offer then?
A hot bowl of soup, proficient treatment and a slow transport back home as nearly everyone got in 82?
Or “finishing off” some wounded, killing some prisoners and forcing young conscripts into minefields?………………. Something you also “trained” in 82.
1- Show me please any post where I insult “you”. Can you please?
2- I don’t really care about the insult, that is not the point.
3- I said “that” to you because you being a “Lady” you are degrading yourself by using such language.
Yes l can show you where you insult us,
1)
You call us, monkeys(affen) & mohameds.
You refer to the UK as Ukistan.
Others too, but l really couldn't be bothered to list them all.
Once or twice is funny, Danyboy, but continually becomes a pain.
lf you are trying to get a stir because of the muslim population in the UK, just remember that there are religeous minorities in most countries of the world.
Dare l say it, gasp! probably even in Argentina.
Certainly in dear old Deutschland.
2)
Told you, l'm not a Lady.
Don't think that l am degrading myself.
l've heard a lot worse than that. l can swear in 5 languages if l need to.
l don't swear a lot, but occasionally if the action merits a swearword, l have been known to drop a “magic”.
Happy now?
First as Isolde already pointed out malen is a girl (Isolde I wonder why you think women's posts are more full of vitriolic nastiness, hmmm). And if she worked for Maximo would she really have been discussing him as cuttingly as she did with me a few threads ago, as well as opposing the re-election of the magnificent beautiful Cristina and supporting Binner?!
#277 Isolde the funny thing here is I strongly agree with you and not Danny on the British Muslim issue =)
Your racism knows know bounds and your ignorance supersedes it.
You certainly seem a couple of sandwiches short old son. Buying me a pint would be a waste of your time, but as is usual with your sort, you only chose to read some of my script. I still have teeth by the way, and probably still would have after you left.
Anyway, my confused friend, I have to go now. It's been fun reading your histrionic and, dare I say, hysterical, posts here. Toodle-pip!
Argentina took land from its neighbours in numberous wars , civil wars and land grabs - Paraguay, Uraguay, Chile. Today Argentina despite the changed political landscape is still a nation characterised by uber nationalism. The claim to the Falklands was surendered in 1850 but reserected in 1941 by a fascist junta, which inc Peron, they thought their friends the Nazi were going to win the war, the Falklands looked easy picking.
In 1982 Argentina was under the latest succession of a series of fascism military junta's. Their hold on power was looking precarious, in deperation they sort a war, Chile looked like a good victim, they already claimed lots of land and were ignoring the international tribunals that had ruled in Chile's favor. But then they changed their mind and invaded the Falklands. Today the war is romanticized by a nation ruled by a kind of cross between a Neo-Nazi uber nationalist and a Charvesta Revolutionary uber Marxist. The only thing missing is the land reform. Maybe that's for later? But as few natives remain, maybe they'll just ignore their rights... God knows they always have. An entire culture replaced by a European one. Entire languages destroyed.
Timmerman should take time to read about his country's history.
Ohhhh…............................. But it is true…..
Hope the Argentinean plan of presenting the evidence internationally goes through.
After 30 patient years, struggling to put most of our dastardly military brass in jail, we have become quite good at digging evidence from the hidden past.
And there is lots of written and verbal evidence in the UK.
Lots of books from Brits that ”Were there at the time”, telling ”unpleasant” stories.
Lots of ”farewell suicide letters” from Brits that ”were there at the time” who didn’t want to cope with it aymore.
Lots of Brit families, tired of hearing dad´s ”unpleasant stories”.
And even the odd veteran that may be willing to talk.
See you in court, hopefully.............
The ultimate straw-clutcher.
1-Mohhamed is not and insult is a very popular name in Britain like in Argentina could be Fabio, Daniel, Mario, Fernando, etc.
Why do you feel it is an insult or something bad?
Are you going now to deny the right to self-determination of the majority of your fellow countrymen to call them-selves as they wish?
You don’t seem to be a lover of S-D, democracy and freedom after all. I hope I’m wrong. Am I?
“Mohammed is now the most popular name for baby boys ahead of Jack and Harry”
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1324194/Mohammed-popular-baby-boys-ahead-Jack-Harry.html
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/8091798/Mohammed-the-nations-secret-favourite-name.html
2- I didn’t call you Affe or Affen I used with Conqueror because he called me Monkey, btw Are you Conqueror?
@ Conqueror
“you're a monkey!”
And since when “Affen” call monkeys to humans?
www.youtube.com/watch?v=fr9QHpCE8xE&feature=related
www.youtube.com/watch?v=spUO7rX04qg
ha ha
Jump, jump Conqueror (btw you have to ask how high master)
3- What’s wrong with Ukistan, Londonistan, etc? Everyone use it outside Britain and even your newspapers in UK.
WikiLeaks: Whitehall ignored warnings about 'Londonistan’ danger (Telegraph).
Can you explain me why it is an insult?
Everyone knows that UK looks more than a Middle East country than a Western country.
Are you going to deny that too?
You're making it worse by lying now, Danyboy.
Squirm baby.
l couldn't be bothered to make anymore conversation with you.
@279Guzz,
l have my Tristan, thank you Guzz.
But thank you for your concern.
Ohhh...........but you tell porky pies don't you, its what Argentinians do best.
And you are full of...........................................Lots and lots and lots of...................................................................Crap.
You continuously mention some ”Straw” …………..........................
Are you referring to that legendary straw that broke the camel's back...?
Or that Bolivian straw, one of my conational’s crossed the Atlantic on....?
Little things matter........................., dahling.
Some truth there.
The Falklands are a Democratic Dependency, not a nation.
And what relevance has any of that to what I said @227?
Saying things that may be true, but are completely irrelevant, does not make you look clever, quite the reverse.
@285 DanyBerger
Your kebabaPhobia is getting worse by the day.
I have to ask this:
As you don’t live here, why does any of it matter to you?
1-Puhol-H I am just only showing your inconsistency and how your twist facts to make your point by using different logic in your arguments. That’s all.
You say to “tobias” in
#235 “To the British, whether they were colonial or mainland Spanish, they were still Spanish.” Logic 1
But when you refer to the Islands you claim that this are not a colonial enclave belonging to UK otherwise you use the euphemism of “Democratic Dependency”. Here you use logic 2
And what in substance is the difference between with UK “Democratic Dependency” and the Spanish “Democratic Dependency” if also had local authorities, Governor with independence to exercise power, administrate justice, etc.
Can you explain to us the difference? Because as you have proper showed up I’m not so clever and I need some help, be patient with me would you please?
2-“ As you don’t live here, why does any of it matter to you?”
Well you don’t live in Arg. or SA either so why all this matter to you?
I cannot be concerned about what happen with fellow Mohammeds and their future in that little island in NS?
There is any international law against that?
I don’t understand why you guys feel so touchy about the subject, relatives of you perhaps?
lndeed they do cher Think. Little things do count.
But not too little, dahling!
l meant that a drowning man will clutch at a straw, as you well know.
ls that how you got to the Americas, Think?
On a raft?
We shall have to call you Moses.
We shall have to call you Moses.
What's wrong with “supercilious tosser”?
Just a thought.
You are trying to compare situations that happened two centuries apart.
Have no real connection to each other, not least that one event is long over and the other is still in play.
However in this case the logic does remain the same:
Colonial or mainland Spanish = Spanish
British democratic dependency (former colony) or mainland British = British
The difference was Argentina chose to break away from its mother country and de-colonised itself.
The Islanders chose to remain a part of the mother country and de-colonised to become a democratic dependency.
The histories evolved differently, that is all. This does not give Argentina any rights to claim the Islands.
“And what in substance is the difference between with UK “Democratic Dependency” and the Spanish “Democratic Dependency” –
One is democratic, the other was not.
“Well you don’t live in Arg. or SA either so why all this matter to you” – Arg is a threat to three British territories, and as how much of a threat is largely dependant on the government of the day, and economic situation in Argentina, it is of interest to us.
Good try but as American once said “there is not way to explain the presence of the British in south Atlantic without calling it colonialism”
But keep trying, you are becoming very creative in telling lies with the time.
yes you are right , in the uk we do have an exceptionally high muslim population , as do most european countries, as we tend to have (mainly due to interferring german politicians) an increasingly open cross border policy, and when the case arrises that a person of any nationality ,decides to attack us on our soil, it is you germans with your european laws , subvert the laws of the uk, to prevent deportation, it is in fact european policy that we have open borders between eu , allowing people to pass freely. european policy , generally dictated by germans!, and want to know the real issue why you dont have as many mohammeds as you so eloquently put it , is the british nation isnt full of nazi racist bigots like germany, we didnt start two worlds wars, causing the loss of millions of lives, we didnt permit the holocaust of 6 million persons of jewish decent, britain is a land of many peoples , because we are tolerant , germany is , and has been a country of intolerance, my point is made , danyberger f$%! o&*
l don't know what drives Dany.
Germany has something like 4 million Turks, who are all muslim.
Well they should look after the Turks.
They were their Allies & bosom buddies in WWI.
That Argentine General Belgrano was popular!!!??
Apparently 313 men went down on him
idont think you understud the spirit behind the FUCKLAND movie.
Chris Moss from The Guardian will explane it to you ,just follow the link
www.guardian.co.uk/film/2000/sep/18/artsfeatures?INTCMP=SRCH
Believing everything “an American once said”, does explain a lot about you, particularly the kebabaphobia.
But then you both have the same problem of explaining your presence in the Americas as non colonial.
All easy enough to check, DannyBoy.
Lol.
@296 rodM
He’s not a Jerry, he’s an Ersatz Argy.
Is not too much?
I will recommend you to call this guy to solve your problems. Will you?
a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/24219_104436062929385_104431872929804_38371_1932853_n.jpg
or
Why the English like turbans?
ebooks.cambridge.org/chapter.jsf?bid=CBO9780511973901&cid=CBO9780511973901A020
or
participate in the protest to stand for your rights.
Sikhs protest at 'disrespect' of turban searches at airports.
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/sikhs-protest-at-disrespect-of-turban-searches-at-airports-2360886.html
or
Dance
www.youtube.com/watch?v=x87rd4VXl5A&feature=fvwrel
@ Pugol-H
“He’s not a Jerry, he’s an Ersatz Argy”
“Jerry” pretty slang isn’t it?
Ich riskiere, du bist Mohammed ersatz Engländer?
No problem to be an Argy better than a squatter Mohammed.
Dan Berger the Argy I love it, and do you love to be a Mohammed?
ha ha ha bloody 'ell call the cops.
I think i need get out from here I wouldn't like to be come a target of new Jihad or whatever is called. sorry I'm not familiar with your language.
ha hahaha ha
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