Falklands’ expects 20% boost in UK visitors because of the war’s 30th anniversary
The UK dominated as the key generating market for tourism in 2011 according to new data released by the Falkland Islands Tourist Board (FITB). Last year land-based tourism from the UK was up 5% to a total of 4.164 arrivals (this figure does not include cruise arrivals).
This is a trend that’s set to continue. The Falklands’ destination is expecting almost a 20% boost in UK visitors in 2012, totaling almost 5,000 arrivals to this wildlife haven in the South Atlantic.
This rise will be partly attributed to the 30th anniversary of the Falklands Conflict. The arrival of oil workers in the Falklands continues to grow and is assisting to drive the upward trend of arrivals.
“These figures are really encouraging and confirm Brits’ love affair with discovering un-spoilt destinations that offer something that little bit different where nature reigns supreme” commented a spokesperson for the tourist board.
Overall, total tourist arrivals to the Falkland Islands in 2012 are expected to increase by 12% to 57.000, spending around £7million. This figure includes cruise passengers, overnight visitors and domestic tourists. Of this figure, 35.000 are expected to arrival via cruise ships and expedition vessels, whilst 7.430 overnight tourists are anticipated.
These figures dovetail the uplift in tourism to South America which enjoyed the second highest regional growth rate worldwide, up 10.1% in 2011.
FITB has recently launched its first even destination iApp and is about to re-launch its consumer website www.falklandislands.com. (Keene)
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ski ?... beachs ?...historic places ?...diving ?....fish eating ?
Solidarity. Something you wouldn't comprehend.
Cogent comment !
How do Argentines reconcile calling islanders “squatters” and “thieves” when Argentines are also the descendants of colonists who took possession of someone else's land? How can you feel morally superior to Britain in this case?
Argentina often talks about regaining sovereignty over the islands as if it were a goal for all of Latin America, yet says nothing about French Guiana? In what way does that colonial situation differ?
For the British, my biggest sticking point is that the islands had been effectively lived in and used by Argentines for several years prior to 1833. There was plenty of time for the Britsh to colonise the empty islands once the Spanish left. It does smack of colonial land-grabbing that they should turn up to a place they had nothing to do with for over 50 years and say “this is ours”.
As I see it, the key is self-determination, or rather, deciding whether it applies or not. I see why Argentines consider the islanders merely as British Citizens with no more right to self-determination than any population in the UK. Why do the islanders not have more power over their foreign affairs? To the casual observer, it looks like Britain is keeping a tight leash on the islanders.
Grateful for any clarification anyone can provide.
Here we go again, YAWWWNNNNN!!!!!!Blood dependant!!!!!!!!!YAWWWNNNN!!!!!!!!!!
“Sow my Argie seed,” I thought you said you were a Uruguayan, son of a Tampamoron.
' Free yourselves, allow the flight in from Buenos Aires and I’ll be down there to sow my Argie seed.'
1stly - you finally admit to being an Argtard - wow you're thick! LOL
2ndly - No woman would have you, and I doubt you've had relations with anyone, especially a woman.
3rdly - you continue to talk rubbish, about blood etc... Pathetic much!
@9 - Steve L.
How does 3 months illegal occupation count as several years? The colonists who'd been there for years had asked the permission of the rightful owners, the British, to colonise and were given permission.
The penal colony set up by the United Provinces (no Argentina yet), was only there for 3 months before the mutinied and murdered their commanding officer.
The British protested the setting up of this penal colony and when the UP refused to remove them, they sent the Royal Navy, to kick them off.
The colonists stayed (except for 2 families -neither from Argentina or rather the area that would become Argentina) and their descendants still live on the Islands today.
Added to this Argentina signed a treaty in 1850 which recognised British Sovereignty of the Islands.
There was complete silence regarding the islands from Argentina until 1941, when Peron 'invented' the Argentine claim, which has no historic, legal or moral basis.
Hope that clarifies this for you.
As for the Arana-Southern Treaty in 1850, was that not more to do with the blockade situation in the River Plate? I gathered it did not mention the Falklands because they were considered a separate issue.
Doubt that Britain had to do anything nefarious to encourage emigration to the Falklands, because Falklands economy has been strong enough with fishing, oil exploration, cruise tourism and Mount Pleasant Base to attract immigrants for jobs.
But that is all they do - and that they do in full consultation and agreement with our elected Govt. Ohterwise we are Independent when it comes to all internal Government issues - laws-taxes-standards etc. The Governor as Queen,s representaive has no vote in Govt here and our elected Assembly is chaired by a Speaker as in UK etc.
We could probably afford economically to go Independent - but one thing- Argentina - stops us. They would not recognise it and would invade and take us over by force within a few days or a week or two once british forces withdrew.
Argentina as a nation did not exist in 1833 - just the province of BA area basically. Their southern lands did not become part of Argentina until the 1880s - 50 years after we became a formal territory with people of at least 2 generations born here by then.
You can read about it at www.britishempire.co.uk/maproom/falkland/gettingitright.pdf - I'm not claiming it is totally unbiased but it is pretty good and very well researched (and a response to an Argentine document).
The 1850 treaty was an act of settlement which settled the more thorny issues between Britain and Argentina - at this time the Falklands wasn't on the radar so one has to assume that Argentina was complicit with the situation (or crap negotiators ;-)= ). The first serious challenge to UK sovereignty was around 1941 (ie about 100 years after 1833) by Peron who felt it was worth a try as it looked like the UK would either lose or become seriously embroiled in WWII
As a previous poster has mentioned, the Islands are now populated with bloodstock from the Argentine and British civilian populations (ie they are not “transplanted” Britons and they have their own identity (which is to stay close to the UK - especially after the '82 Argentine invasion)
I, for one, would love to visit the Islands and I think it is great that they are continuing to develop their own identity (much to the chagrin of Argentina who are only interested in bilateral talks with the UK - not recognising the views of the Islanders as they don't constitute a “people”. Fortunately Argentina is no longer a military threat and their government is turning into entertainment rather than a serious challenge with a number of gaffes and an economy which is heading toilet-wards.
I will definitely visit before I die - what's the Globe Tavern like? Thanks to our friends in BA for the free tourist video - I want to visit even more now!
Well Guzz , we wouldn't want any bloody Argentinian bloodlines turning the Falklanders into slothful Argie retards, would we? 40 million of them across the water in Argentina is more than enough for the world to cope with.
Argentina did not exist in 1833, or 1826. So Vernet couldn't have got permission from Argentina. The United Provinces had only been in existence for a few years, and they were trying their luck, hoping that the Falklands were too far away for the British to bother with.
It's also highly probable that Vernet's colony realised that the UP weren't the rightful owners, hence asking for British permission in 1828.
So Argentina's claim on the islands is based on a 3 month illegal occupation by a group of soldiers and convicts representing a Province, not a country. Hence, why they won't take it to arbitration.
Even if what they claim was true, they still couldn't take it to arbitration, because in the 19C laws were different. Basically you could have what you could control and defend. They couldn't stand against the Royal Navy, and therefore lost all rights to the islands. You can't apply 21C laws retrospectively. If you could then word war 3 would break out, as people tried to take land that used to belong to them at one time in the past. And then how far back would that be? 100 years? 200 years? 500 years? 1,000 years?
So on all counts Argentina hasn't got a valid claim, and should turn their efforts to their own country, which is in dire straits, despite having vast amounts of natural resources.
21C law states that people have the right to self-determination. That's it, story over, time for everyone to move on with their lives, especially the Argentinians.
Poor little Guzzy, he is so busy juggling all his multiple online personalities that he can't keep a track of who he is at any give moment of time :)
I'm sorry, the place was uninhabited and not governed for 15 years and the first to arrive were the Argentines. Yet when Britain assumed control, it mentioned nothing of what the settlers wanted, instead it came up with the “prior claim” despite not having exercised sovereignty for 50 years.
I fully agree that what's done is done and it would be ridiculous to try to reinstate 180-year-old territorial boundaries. But don't you think Britain's actions back there were just a bit... sneaky?
The biggest mistake that we made was not occupying OUR territory quickly enough & allowing UP squatters to move in.
We should have reoccupied the lslands just after the American war in the 1780s.
Sneaky?- l don't think so.
Anyway land was won & lost by lots of nations on a far sneakier basis than that.
Congratulations Guzz, for finally flying your true colours.
l was going to say that we won't be bothered by old mayhap Guzz again, but l guess that he'll just surface as someone else.
Hey Guzz, you were a Danish-Uruguayan last life, why don't you reincarnate as a......mmmmmmmm, let me see.
Oh yes, you could be a Polish-Bolivian, a mining engineer, mayhap, err l mean maybe.♥
I am a crossbench spaceman !
That's certainly a novel spelling of 'clueless tosser'
You accuse the British of being sneaky, but the United Provinces knew that the territory was the sovereign territory of the UP, and were extremely sneaky by attempting to set up this colony.
The British raised a complaint with the UP in BA regarding their illegal penal colony which they were asked to remove (the equivalent of taking them to the UN these days). Since they refused the next step was to remove them, by force if necessary. Which was Britains legal right.
However, by the time the British arrived, the illegal Penal Colony had turned into a 'failed' illegal Penal Colony, with the commander murdered, and the soldiers running riot on the islands.
The British kindly returned the muntineers to BA where they were tried and 4 of them executed.
Hardly a basis for a legal claim, a failed illegal Penal Colony which had been there less than 3 months.
Vernet's colonists stayed (except for 2 families - one from Chile the other Brazil), and their descendants still live upon the Falklands today.
Any way you look at it, Argentina has no LEGAL claim. The historic one was always a joke, because Spain could claim that the colonists of South America stole THEIR land.
It holds no water, hence why they won't take it to arbitration at the ICJ.
However, moving forwards to the 21C, the UN states that people have the right to self-determination. A recent referendum by the people of the Falklands puts them at 100% of them wishing to remain British. Therefore, according to current international law (which is the only one that matters today), Argentina can go swivel.
Put into a “domestic” context, an entity (Britain) starts by renting a property. After a while, the entity (Britain) buys the property (sovereignty). The owner subsequently has to go away on a business trip. During the owner's absence, a bunch of scruffy squatters turns up and tries to make themselves at home. Because of the criminal nature and activities of the squatters (piracy), a neighbour (United States) steps in and evicts them. When the neighbour moves on, the squatters return. Then the owner returns, ejects those criminal squatters that have weapons and then takes up proper residence again.
Now put yourself in the place of the owner. Does your ownership lapse because you don't happen to be there? At what point, and on what grounds, do the criminal squatters become the legal owners?
@6 Thought you were a Uruguayan, liar?
@13 Vernet established nothing until 1829. His previous attempts were not successful! Are you an argie? I suggest you read the Convention of Settlement en.wikisource.org/wiki/1850_Convention_of_Settlement As you can see, its purpose is to end ALL existing differences.
@21 You're an argie. Or you're expecting things to happen as quickly in the 18th/19th centuries as they could in the late 20th/21st centuries. Just think that a voyage from Britain to the Falklands could take a YEAR. So, Britain “Go off and do this”. Falklands a YEAR later “This is what we've done.” Britain a YEAR later “Yes, that's OK.” That alone is THREE YEARS' of back and forth. And when Britain RE-ASSUMED control in 1833, the majority of the settlers stayed. If you can't get basic FACTS right.......
The arg that go there are ex combatients. Not common people.
For getting bored, its a great destiny.
That “Guzz” letting his stupidity loose on these threads does not represent me in any views whatsoever. Leiard asked me about his statements in another thread, and I found his miserable words here.
Is this the way you folks have a discussion? Miscrediting names when you run out of arguments?
I'm Uruguayan regardless of what you think you know, and I have nothing against the islanders, as I've told you before. Believe what you want.
(1) That three civilians died as a result of cowardly argies siting artillery between peoples' homes;
(2) That 255 British MEN were killed recovering the freedom of the Falkland Islands;
(3) That only 649 scum died. It should have been a lot more. At least 6,500 would have been good. And then we made another mistake. We let the scum be buried in Falklands/British soil. They should have been “buried” at sea. 12 miles from the argie coast.
We need to make sure that, if the argies ever try anything again, they learn what pain really is. No prisoners. No remains. No graves. No markers. Let them return to the scummy slime from which they came.
While these cruise ships are relatively self-contained and so there is less immediate individual economic benefit lent to the Falklands, chances increase of return tourism to stay longer in on-island accommodations and to experience longer stays with more attractions. And developing new attractions on the Falkland Islands, such as surfing, brings new tourists as well.
References:
”These cruises often include visits to the nearby Falkland Islands (Islas Malvinas) and South Georgia.”, in Where do Cruises Depart From?
iaato.org/frequently-asked-questions;jsessionid=99F5546B4EFF364644A2E5D70E1B8F66#where-do-cruises-depart-from
wannaSurf Falklands:
www.wannasurf.com/spot/South_America/Argentina/South/falkland_islands/
Well, who would have thought it.
After lying to us about the fact you were NOT an Argie, we now find the truth of the matter from your own lips no less.
END OF I am afraid as far as I am concerned.
Check out post 36 and 37 in
en.mercopress.com/2012/05/25/three-former-presidents-admit-mercosur-has-failed-and-has-uruguay-trapped
As we both know, it is not possible to post 2 posts after eachother without anyone else posting in between. I rest my case
I did try to contact mercopress on Friday regarding their policy on screen names but have not yet had a reply.
Bla blab la,
Jealousy and envy
Bla bla bla
.
We have Guzz & Guzz(with a wee square)
Don't know how you made your square but l'll find out.
Don't be so modest.
Skåre, how did you make that square, please?
You really are a sad bunch of remnants :)
I don't know who it is, but evidently it’s an Anglo......
You, Tobias, SussieUS and I have been targeted so far…..
This explains several mystical “ Argentinean” comments in the past too….
Typical British sham, lying and deceit techniques though.....
I don't know whose cloning 'accounts' but I wish they would stop, as it is childish, inane and completely unproductive.
Besides you guys don't need any help torpedoing yourselves, every time you post you either come out with bizarre theories or 'evidence' to back up your side of the discussion or you change the subject entirely onto 'Iraq' or the 'British Empire'.
So whoever is cloning these accounts stop, these trolls really don't need help sinking themselves.
We already know you are childish in your attempt to proove your points. That's what you got left, miscrediting peoples names in order to be, at least, less wrong.
We don't feel the need to lower ourselves to that degree, as it is easier to proove your point with truth on your side...
Ref Argentine tourists visiting the Falklands, some of them are veterans but many of them are not. For example one visitor was the head teacher of a school, also there was a visit by members of a cycling club, cycling around West and East Falkland. Plenty of Argentinians come here to see for themselves and usually are shocked to find that the 'Malvinas' they have been told about in Argentine government propaganda doesn't actually exist.
And your evidence is.............?
Lying & deceit are the trademarks of malvinism
You, dear Think are a turnip extraordinare.
For all we know, the culprit is you!
You wouldn't recognise the truth if it was dancing naked in front of you singing 'I'm the truth - look at me!'
We know you haven't got a leg to stand on regarding sovereignty of the Falklands, which is why you're always bringing Iraq and the 'British Empire' into things.
However, who ever is 'cloning' accounts should stop 'cos it ain't big or clever. As my previous posts alluded to, you guys shot yourselves in the foot everytime you post, and you do such a good job about it, that you don't need any help to continue doing it.
One day Guzz, very soon, Argentina's economy is going to implode. It won't be pleasant, and I don't want it to happen, but your government is doing this to you, not the British, not the IMF or WTO, not the EU or the UN, it's the Argentine government. The problem is that you're all so apathetic that you will just sit back and watch it happen.
And when the smelly stuff does hit the fan, then there'll be riots, looting and general lawlessness in Argentina. It is sad, and it's time for you all to grow up, realise that the Falkland Islands are a red herring, and start facing your problems instead of blaming everyone else.
Tackle the rampant corruption that is part of your political system, police force and Armed forces. Encourage the people to take an interest in their own future. Then and only then will Argentina be able to exploit it's own natural resources fully, and take it's place as one of the largest economies of the world.
If Argentina truly wants to be taken seriously on the world stage, then it has to address the problems and not ignore them. It will be a difficult and painful process, but with hard work and determination Argentina can get there.
However, history has shown that the Argentine's prefer to take the easy option, and that's why your country has been in turmoil for decades, with one corrupt and inept government after another. Such a pity.
I have no clue whatsoever what you are on about, I think you mistook me for someone else...
Even so, had I been Argentinian, I'd say that the only thing they need to do in order to prosper, is to kick out all the parasites multinationals exploiting the richness of the country, and take it from there :)
You say:
“Plenty of Argentineans come here to see for themselves and usually are shocked to find that the 'Malvinas' they have been told about in Argentine government propaganda doesn't actually exist.
I say:
I don’t know what “Non Existing Malvinas” you are talking about, but…...
When riding in Malvinas, I enjoy the same air and smells as in my beloved Patagonia.
When riding in Malvinas, I do on the same tackle and horses as in my beloved Patagonia.
When riding in Malvinas, I see and hear the same flora and fauna as in my beloved Patagonia.
When approaching a Malvinas dwelling, I stumble on the same tin-clad houses as in my beloved Patagonia.
When entering one, I immediately feel at home......, as I do in each and every tin-clad house in my beloved Patagonia.
When people start talking English, it makes my Patagonian Malvinas experience even more complete…………
Have a nice weekend
El Think, Patagonia e Islas Malvinas………..
(42) Isolde
Keep quiet, young woman.
MercoPress has already taken positive action against those Anglo low-life’s…..
Thanks Mr. G.M.
The multinationals aren't the problem, it's the governments economic policies that are the problem.
If every multinational company pulled out of Argentina tomorrow, the Argentine economy would collapse completely. Thousands would be made redundant, the government would lose tax revenue, and basically it would be the the financial equivalent of the apocalypse.
If Argentinians want to return to a purely agricultural society, without all the benefits and comforts of modern life, then this is the way to go about it..
You are showing your ignorance of financial matters. Just why do you think Argentina's US Ambassador is trying to convince businessmen that the YPF 'acquisition' was a one off deal never to be repeated? Because Argentina is desperate for foreign investment.
It matters not if you're Argentinian or not, but what you are is completely deluded or ignorant about many things.
However, back to the story. Great news for th Falklands. The sun keeps shining on their economy.
You might be right in your assumptions, then again, you might be wrong. I would prefer our whole continent dealing with the multinationals as the thieving criminals they are and start all over again from the scratch. So be it if be have to return to the 19th century, I'm sure it's better in the long run. I mean, look where your politics brought you :)
But hey, 2000 people are doing great! (and I AM happy for them)
Yoda is not Anglo.
Yoda has only used Jedi mind control on the duplicitous ones.
The ones who use multiple identities.
Hoisted on your own petard you are.
Copy paste? Copy paste it is then;
You are obsessed by this multiple identity thing. Try taking the right pills next time and don't project your schizophrenia on us...
Argentine fascination with the Falklands is so evident in that silly video that featured Fernando Zylberberg - it absolutely drips of what an Argentine would think of as being British. So much so that Penguin News editor Lisa Watson quipped in a tweet that the video might have been made by the Falkland Islands Tourist Board. In fact, the spoof of the Zylberberg video pushes that British-envelope a tad further with the bus bit.
No doubt that more Argie tourist dollars are welcome for the Falklands, and all this CFK-created artificial issue around the Falklands will bring even more curious Argentines and others from Latin America.
Reference:
Argentina Olympic [SPOOF] Advert Falkland Islands:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=VetuOlwcmqU
Tricked you have been.
Comment at 48 me was not.
Infiltrado me thinks.
In that case, I take back the “Yoda” part and let the rest stand for you :)
Oh Think, l didn't think you cared.
Who were they, dear Think?
Do you know them personally?
Tyst, yourself
lf you think that the Falklands are like Patagonia, then you have no need to come here have you?
Just you & your countrymen stay in your beloved Patagonia.
The main difference between the Falklands and Patagonia, is that the Falklands are a booming economy and Patagonia is a province that is broke.
The other differences include, er...well everything! LOL
www.facebook.com/pages/Keep-the-Falklands-British/123151384435619?sk=wall&filter=3
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