UK at OAS assembly in Bolivia ratifies the Falklands’ people self determination
The UK ratified on Tuesday the Falkland Islands people’s self determination following a resolution from the OAS general assembly taking place in Bolivia calling on the two sides (Argentina and UK) to resume dialogue on the sovereignty of the Islands which are claimed by Argentina.
Fiona Clouder from the Foreign Office Desk for the Americas said during the last session of the Organization of American States assembly that the Falklands are a self-governing territory, its leaders are democratically elected and they have their own Constitution which outlines the relation with the UK by law.
“The future of the Islands is not in the hands of the UK or Argentina, nor any other country represented here at the assembly. It is in the hands of the people of the Falklands”, added Ms Clouder who insisted that the UK “will not talk about sovereignty unless the people of the Falklands so decides”.
“If they wish to change this, we will help them reach that change. Currently the people of the Falklands have made it clear that they prefer to keep the relation they have with the UK”, added the FCO officer.
As to the Argentine Foreign Minister Hector Timerman’s petition to meet in Cochabamba, where the general assembly is taking place, to address the issue, Ms Clouder said it would be “an honour” for her to meet with the Argentine delegation but she must first ask for clearance from the UK and the Falklands governments.
The OAS distributed a photo where the Argentine minister and the UK OAS observer are shaking hands.
The act of shaking hands was described by the OAS as “historic” since it took place on the 30th anniversary of the Falklands war, and claims it is the first time the representatives from both countries adopt such an attitude after each country delivered its position on the dispute.
A few hours earlier Timerman claimed before the OAS General Assembly that the UK refuses to dialogue on the Falklands/Malvinas issue, ignoring 39 resolutions from the United Nations calling for resumption of talks.
Following Ms Clouder’s statement, Timerman underlined as a ‘great achievement’ for OAS that a representative from the Foreign Office was present at the assembly as an observer, but insisted on an official meeting, right away, to resume negotiations on the Falklands/Malvinas dispute.
The document approved by the OAS general assembly “reaffirms the need” for Argentina and the UK to resume negotiations “with the purpose of finding a peaceful solution to this prolonged controversy”.
Likewise the OAS expresses satisfaction at the Argentine government’s willingness to continue exploring all possible ways to peacefully resolve the controversy and announces the issue will continue to be examined in the coming sessions of the Assembly “until a definitive solution is reached”.
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However, I'm proud that our Canadian rep, Allan Culham, made the Canadian rejection clear. His words:
“Canada believes that only the inhabitants of the Falkland Islands can determine their own future. We therefore do not support the resolution as it is drafted. Canada disassociates itself from the text and asks that this statement be read into the record of the meeting. Canada believes that we should use the General Assembly to address common challenges faced by our citizens by working to create a more prosperous, secure and democratic hemisphere. Thank you very much Mr. Chairman.”
What followed Culham's statement was not the applause that every other representative got after speaking, but dead silence.
Reference to OAS video showing start of Canadian response at 3:40 minutes and start of US response at 10:45 minutes:
goo.gl/EQuR1
AHAHAHAH what losers these brits...Canada..Hm...they have problems..better do not start making enemies with South America...
The message from USA it is clear........A stable Argentina is more important than 3000 people..No wonder..with the huge investments from Carguill,Monsanto,Ford,GM,etc......who cares what they can bring on the table...
As usual the brits pirates,honor their reputation...Of STUPIDITY!
No wonder uk is finished!
www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbLfje8_jgI
...including dropping its claim to the islands, no doubt.
“Canada believes that only the inhabitants of the Falkland Islands can determine their own future. We therefore do not support the resolution as it is drafted. Canada disassociates itself from the text and asks that this statement be read into the record of the meeting. Canada believes that we should use the General Assembly to address common challenges faced by our citizens by working to create a more prosperous, secure and democratic hemisphere. Thank you very much Mr. Chairman.”
Reference to OAS video showing start of Canadian response at 3:40 minutes and start of US response at 10:45 minutes: goo.gl/EQuR1
www.oas.org/es/centro_noticias/videos.asp?sCodigo=12-0100&videotype=&sCollectionDetVideo=15
Incredibly, four of the most left-wing ideological Latin American countries that were eager to weaken the OAS human rights organization also stated that they want to leave the regional defence treaty (Rio Treaty) because they thought the OAS should have come to the defence of the Argentine Military Junta in its invasion of the Falkland Islands in 1982!
Irony is that the Argentine Military Junta would have quickly made “desaparecidos” of those left-wing ideologues if they had been in Argentina!
References:
At OAS meeting, an attack on freedom of expression:
www.latimes.com/news/opinion/opinion-la/la-ol-oas-human-rights-20120605,0,2875628.story
Four Latin Nations Pull Out Of Inter-american Defence Treaty:
www.bernama.com/bernama/v6/newsworld.php?id=671097
“The message from USA it is clear........A stable Argentina is more important than 3000 people..”
How did you get that message from:
“The United States recognises de-facto UK administration of the Islands but takes no position regarding the sovereignty claims of either party”. ?????
She sounded a bit fed-up with the whole dog and pony show from the start to me. When she said: “... as we have stated on numerous occasions ...”, she really meant “just how many times do you people need to be told the same thing over and over again?”
:-)
Unlike Argentina who clearly ignores the following: a) the ICJ/ICA with their judgments about Argentinian pollution of shared waterways; b) UN Security Council resolutions concerning their military occupation of other people's territory; and c) fundamentals of the UN Charter, including indesputable rights to self-determination.
As the head of Repsol suggested, when/if a new government arrives there might be a bit more sensemaking on this front.
Vive le argentinian economic meltdown.
Argentina is not ignoring any resolutions. If she was, given the current climate, don't you think the USA, EU, and UK would make sure we did comply with UN RESOLUTIONS? Or are you going to say they fear us? lol
Argentine pollution of shared waterways, what the heck is that?
Military occupation? Are we in Iraq or something?
You might want to read about Argentina ignoring the decisions of the ICJ in the 'Uruguay River Pulp Mill Dispute'. Argentina also declared the ICA/ICJ as having no jurisdiction over Argentina, as per it's unwillingness to resolve the South Georgia + islands issue through that channel.
That's not even discussing their continual dismissal of the key points of the UN charter including people's rights to self-determination, human rights, etc.
You really need to read more [but we don't blame you because it's not your fault, your educational system is siht]
For all the talk of the 'special relationship' with the USA, Democrat leaders do a good job of stabbing Britain in the back when it comes to bending over for Argentina and the IRA.
The weekend's celebrations reminded us who are most historic and closest family are around the world.
As you indicate, Obama puts Hispanic voters above any kind of democratic principles. He doesn't strike me as someone who values democracy or liberty so it is no surprise that he gives credence to people so detached from the lives of ordinary Falkland islanders.
@1 God bless Canada.
Same old same, nothing has changed at all.
In any case, whatever our closeness to the USA (and it is something I value greatly), it doesn't always get reciprocated as it should. Obama after all declared France their greatest ally in history and one of his office also declared Britain just one of over a hundred countries that don't really matter. He has similarly wound up long-standing East-European allies for his cosiness towards Russia. Personally, I sincerely hope this time next year we're conducting business with a Republican again.
The British Government has accepted the President of the Republic of Chile as arbitrator in the reclamation pending with the Argentine Republic, for damages suffered by English subjects in 1845. This question, which is the only one between us and the British nation, has not yet been settled.”
This is the English translation from British and Foreign State Papers 1866-1867
(printed London 1871), p. 1009; original in Heraclio Mabragaña, Los
Mensajes 1810-1910, Buenos Aires 1910, vol. III, p. 238: “Este mismo
gobierno [= el gobierno británico] aceptó por árbitro al Presidente de la
República de Chile, sobre perjuicios sufridos por súbditos ingleses en
1845. Aun no se ha resuelto esta cuestión que es la única que con
aquella nación subsiste.”
Now that's unfortunate, isn't it? Sixteen years after the “Convention of Settlement” the argie vice-president, who ought to have known, says that therte is only one outstanding dispute between Britain and argieland. A matter of compensation payable by argieland to English people.
In relation to the Falkland Islands and the word “pirates” only two names spring to mind: Jewett and Vernet. I'm sure you can find the address of Vice-President Marco Paz in your own National Archives. We've even given the date! But you won't, will you? Too inconvenient. AHAHAHAH. Who's STUPID now?
@16 Oh, look. Someone who's STUPID. Bit pointless asking you to comply with a resolution telling you to cease fire and get your troops off OUR Islands when we've already beaten the sh*te out of them and KICKED them off. Wouldn't you say?
Does anybody know what is going on with “aussie sunshine”? Has it had a brain transplant? Or is there someone new on the MercoPress desk at the argie foreign ministry?
All the back slapping there, will not compensate for the fact they cannot bear to read history which clearly disproves Arsentinas claim on the Falklands as completely bogus. Well done Canada
. And as you're neutral USA, perhaps you should get your asses off Ascension Island and Diego Garcia. And perhaps the UK should spend less money trailing around the USA's arse end everytime they want a war. We can be neutral too, Mr Bollock O barmy.
I hear a lot on here about Obama being anti-British but people in politics in DC just don't see it that way. He knows we need our strong alliance. I honestly think the US just don't want to stir the pot in SoAm. They know nothing will change and the Falklands will remain British, so why get involved in CFKC's pantomime.
Obarmy is on his way out anyway.
Jun 06th, 2012 - 05:05 pm
No support from OAS, it only asks us to sit down to talk with the UK. As usual our “hermanos americanos” have shafted Timerman and Kretina who have to tell us what a great victory the've just won. Stupid tits.
“Just claim” - based on what?
There isn't any just claim as emphasized by the Argentine vice president's opening speach to the Argentine congress in 1866, quoted several times on this board, latest in comment 27 above.
Don't make a fuss over a non-issue, solve Argentina's severe problems (like a 30 per cent inflation) instead.
“If they wish to change this, we will help them reach that change. Currently the people of the Falklands have made it clear that they prefer to keep the relation they have with the UK”, added the FCO officer
Following Ms Clouder’s statement, Timerman underlined as a ‘great achievement’ for OAS that a representative from the Foreign Office was present at the assembly as an observer, but insisted on an official meeting, right away, to resume negotiations on the Falklands/Malvinas dispute.
its just wasting oxygen!
History proves that Argentina has no valid legal or moral claim to the Falkland Islands. Argentine claims are based on lies, in fact Argentina has made at least x12 untrue statements to the UN in respect of the Falkland Island since 1964 and have made these statements at least 36 times. Argentine claims are based on propaganda only since the time of Peron. Just look at the old Argentine maps like the '1872 Latzina map'. Your politicians have harped on about the 'Malvinas issue' just to side-track the Argentine public away from economic problems at home mainly caused by inept political and economic leadership.
the Falklands are British and will remain so for as long as the Islanders want it to be. not only that but this issue takes up zero column inches or minutes of TV time here in the UK or anywhere else in europe because no one else gives two fucks about the issue.
please close this thread as there is simple no more to discuss.
what a waste of fucking time.
So for you the OAS meeting was indeed a waste of time - I think Arg will see a gradual crumbling of support over the next year or two as more and more of the world realises the lies and bullshit Arg pours out about us.
The argentine government of CFK speaks bolloxxs
And her deluded bloggers do the same,
Disappointed of the yanks,
Yes I know some of you think, they wish not to get involved, and will back Britain in the time of conflict,
But the bloody point is, it’s the impression they give to a deluded loony bin, when you sit on the fence,
The truth is, brits are dying alongside American troops, [we did not sit on the fence]
In the 2nd Iraq war, [and as you lot say, was illegal] did we sit on the fence,, not bloody likely
We stood shoulder to shoulder, and in afghan, did we sit on the bloody fence,
And IRAN , we all know its coming, are we going to sit on the fence, not bloody likely, we will stand shoulder to shoulder, with the yanks,
So please, don’t insult my intelligence, by saying they are the our greatest ally, but sit of the bloody fence, this is two faced hypercrit ,
They may well back us up in a war down south, [but hey, do we really need them]
Just there backing, would send a very strong message to the south Americans, that they not only back us, and will defend, , and argentina would be sitting there looking very alone,
,
Just my opinion,
But as they, say [your best friend is not just for XMAS ] its forever ]
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Lovely country, lovely people.♥
Cannot help but wonder why the Argies have not yet come to grips with the facts that exist. Perhaps the negotiations they ask for should include
the Argentine mainland or maybe just the area south of the Straits, eh?
They seem way keen on negotiating the non-negotiable...just a thought.
AHAHHAHAHAAHHA
That shows how stupid is the harper,conservative,clueless crooks in Canada....
#9:The message from USA it is clear........A stable Argentina is more important than 3000 people..”
How did you get that message from:
From here,CLUELESS # 9!
US main interest is a “stable Argentina”, warns Falklands Task Force head
The head of the Royal Navy Task Force that recovered the Falkland Islands during the 1982 South Atlantic conflict has warned about UK defense cuts and underlined that United States has little interest in supporting Britain in any conflict since a stable Argentina is more important to the State Department.
en.mercopress.com/2011/06/13/us-main-interest-is-a-stable-argentina-warns-falklands-task-force-head
Argentina is extremely mercurial, hence all bets are off.
Why aren't you a stable country, Malvibaby?
You have rich farmland, you have minerals, you have lots of fresh water from the Andes.
No-one threatens or invades you.
Why can't you make it in the modern world?
Why isn't Argentina as rich as it was in 1900?
Therefore it must be the people.
lts like having a 12 year old in charge of a locomotive with a mile of heavy ore trucks behind.
When the crash finally comes, it will be catastrophic.
Time for you all to leave & give the country to people who will make it prosper.
Love the loco analogy. :o)
Link to photo website referred to in this Mercopress story:
www.oas.org/en/media_center/photonews.asp?sCodigo=FNE-9308
like
who is this common urchin, who thinks he can talk to me .lol.
If you do not mean Timmidman, the 'guy' is a woman, Fiona Clouder from the Foreign Office Desk for the Americas, no less. And I liked the 'looking down my nose at this turd in front of me' look.
She has got more balls than the rest of the twats put together.
Jun 07th, 2012 - 06:44 pm
Thanks for the link. Fiona Clouder seems to be putting the Timidman well and truly in his place!!!
I would love to know what she said to him as they shook.
www.facebook.com/Britain1592
#44 Well hopefully Iran is NOT coming, but if it does I wouldn't want Britain to just sit on the fence, but to denounce the agression
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