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UK at OAS assembly in Bolivia ratifies the Falklands’ people self determination
The UK ratified on Tuesday the Falkland Islands people’s self determination following a resolution from the OAS general assembly taking place in Bolivia calling on the two sides (Argentina and UK) to resume dialogue on the sovereignty of the Islands which are claimed by Argentina. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesDisappointed that the US delegation didn't reject the Argentine motion outright, but said that they only recognized British admin “de facto” in the Falklands but took no position.
Jun 06th, 2012 - 02:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0However, I'm proud that our Canadian rep, Allan Culham, made the Canadian rejection clear. His words:
“Canada believes that only the inhabitants of the Falkland Islands can determine their own future. We therefore do not support the resolution as it is drafted. Canada disassociates itself from the text and asks that this statement be read into the record of the meeting. Canada believes that we should use the General Assembly to address common challenges faced by our citizens by working to create a more prosperous, secure and democratic hemisphere. Thank you very much Mr. Chairman.”
What followed Culham's statement was not the applause that every other representative got after speaking, but dead silence.
Reference to OAS video showing start of Canadian response at 3:40 minutes and start of US response at 10:45 minutes:
http://goo.gl/EQuR1
I hope Fiona washed her hands thoroughly after shaking hands with Timberman, his idiocy might surely be contagious.
Jun 06th, 2012 - 02:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0I quite like Ms Clouder. Polite, dignified and a credit to her position.
Jun 06th, 2012 - 02:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0I hope Fiona washed her hands thoroughly after shaking hands with Timberman, his idiocy might surely be contagious.
Jun 06th, 2012 - 03:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0AHAHAHAH what losers these brits...Canada..Hm...they have problems..better do not start making enemies with South America...
The message from USA it is clear........A stable Argentina is more important than 3000 people..No wonder..with the huge investments from Carguill,Monsanto,Ford,GM,etc......who cares what they can bring on the table...
As usual the brits pirates,honor their reputation...Of STUPIDITY!
No wonder uk is finished!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbLfje8_jgI
“the Argentine government’s willingness to continue exploring all possible ways to peacefully resolve the controversy”
Jun 06th, 2012 - 03:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0...including dropping its claim to the islands, no doubt.
No, the message was “we don't want to get involved”. They aren't taking sides.
Jun 06th, 2012 - 03:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Canadians were met with silence -
Jun 06th, 2012 - 04:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Canada believes that only the inhabitants of the Falkland Islands can determine their own future. We therefore do not support the resolution as it is drafted. Canada disassociates itself from the text and asks that this statement be read into the record of the meeting. Canada believes that we should use the General Assembly to address common challenges faced by our citizens by working to create a more prosperous, secure and democratic hemisphere. Thank you very much Mr. Chairman.”
Reference to OAS video showing start of Canadian response at 3:40 minutes and start of US response at 10:45 minutes: http://goo.gl/EQuR1
http://goo.gl/EQuR1
No coincidence that the initiative at the OAS GA to weaken the Inter-American Commission on Human Rights happened alongside the anti-Falklands resolution.
Jun 06th, 2012 - 04:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0Incredibly, four of the most left-wing ideological Latin American countries that were eager to weaken the OAS human rights organization also stated that they want to leave the regional defence treaty (Rio Treaty) because they thought the OAS should have come to the defence of the Argentine Military Junta in its invasion of the Falkland Islands in 1982!
Irony is that the Argentine Military Junta would have quickly made “desaparecidos” of those left-wing ideologues if they had been in Argentina!
References:
At OAS meeting, an attack on freedom of expression:
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/opinion-la/la-ol-oas-human-rights-20120605,0,2875628.story
Four Latin Nations Pull Out Of Inter-american Defence Treaty:
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/opinion-la/la-ol-oas-human-rights-20120605,0,2875628.story
@4 M1
Jun 06th, 2012 - 04:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0“The message from USA it is clear........A stable Argentina is more important than 3000 people..”
How did you get that message from:
“The United States recognises de-facto UK administration of the Islands but takes no position regarding the sovereignty claims of either party”. ?????
She sounded a bit fed-up with the whole dog and pony show from the start to me. When she said: “... as we have stated on numerous occasions ...”, she really meant “just how many times do you people need to be told the same thing over and over again?”
http://falklandsnews.wordpress.com/2012/06/06/canada-disassociates-itself-from-the-oas-resolution-on-the-falklands/
Jun 06th, 2012 - 04:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0:-)
Another paper and time wasting useless resolution. Tomorrow nobody will care about it as ever.
Jun 06th, 2012 - 04:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0@9 exactly, also the UK rep stated that she'd talk if the UK and FI said it was ok to do so, but that's the same position we've always had, so how can Timmerman call that progress?!
Jun 06th, 2012 - 04:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0Timmerman needs to name these 39 UN resolutions that are being ignored - otherwise we could be led to believe that he's making it up.
Jun 06th, 2012 - 05:46 am - Link - Report abuse 013: it doesn't matter anyway because they're not legally binding. If there was a place where laws could be passed enforcing such discussions then maybe the UK would listen. I wonder if he's thought of going to the ICJ instead? Oh, wait a minute...
Jun 06th, 2012 - 05:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0@13 ... sometimes it's 39, sometimes it's 40... actually I don't think the UK has ignored any resolutions.
Jun 06th, 2012 - 05:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0Unlike Argentina who clearly ignores the following: a) the ICJ/ICA with their judgments about Argentinian pollution of shared waterways; b) UN Security Council resolutions concerning their military occupation of other people's territory; and c) fundamentals of the UN Charter, including indesputable rights to self-determination.
As the head of Repsol suggested, when/if a new government arrives there might be a bit more sensemaking on this front.
Vive le argentinian economic meltdown.
I seee Greek Yoghurt has returned and in top form, apparently under the influence of that new Zombie LSD going in the north.
Jun 06th, 2012 - 06:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina is not ignoring any resolutions. If she was, given the current climate, don't you think the USA, EU, and UK would make sure we did comply with UN RESOLUTIONS? Or are you going to say they fear us? lol
Argentine pollution of shared waterways, what the heck is that?
Military occupation? Are we in Iraq or something?
@16 I was talking about Argentina's clear historical precedent of ignoring the UN. The Argentinians decided to turn the negotiations over the sovereignty of the islands into a military dispute. You decided to do that. In turn your invasion ignored UN Security Council Resolution 502 telling you to withdraw your troops. This is something you failed to do, and in turn the negotiations were resolved through military means, right up to your surrender.
Jun 06th, 2012 - 06:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0You might want to read about Argentina ignoring the decisions of the ICJ in the 'Uruguay River Pulp Mill Dispute'. Argentina also declared the ICA/ICJ as having no jurisdiction over Argentina, as per it's unwillingness to resolve the South Georgia + islands issue through that channel.
That's not even discussing their continual dismissal of the key points of the UN charter including people's rights to self-determination, human rights, etc.
You really need to read more [but we don't blame you because it's not your fault, your educational system is siht]
Thanks Canada. Poor show USA. Well done Ms Clouder for being there and re-iterating the correct and proper stance of the British stance.
Jun 06th, 2012 - 07:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0Persuade the islanders te peoplecwhomlive there to talk otherwise forget it.
Jun 06th, 2012 - 07:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0A massive thank you to our Canadian allies and friends for not pandering to Argentina in the way that Obama did so disgracefully. He should be ashamed of such an ignorant swipe at the sovereign people of the Falklands.
Jun 06th, 2012 - 09:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0For all the talk of the 'special relationship' with the USA, Democrat leaders do a good job of stabbing Britain in the back when it comes to bending over for Argentina and the IRA.
The weekend's celebrations reminded us who are most historic and closest family are around the world.
To be fair I think the US did the right thing, they stayed out of something that doesn't concern them. Obama would be stupid to go directly against South America with so many Hispanic voters in the US, and he can't go against the UK as his strongest ally, so neutrality is his only and wisest path to take. it's better than any other alternative, both for him and the parties involved in this.
Jun 06th, 2012 - 09:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0Staying out of what doesn't concern him or the US would equate to not taking a position - he instead has asked for talks. Imagine if another country demanded that the USA discuss sovereignty of Gauntanamo with the Cubans - it wouldn't happen.
Jun 06th, 2012 - 09:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0As you indicate, Obama puts Hispanic voters above any kind of democratic principles. He doesn't strike me as someone who values democracy or liberty so it is no surprise that he gives credence to people so detached from the lives of ordinary Falkland islanders.
No mention at the OAS to the effect that Argentina has made at least 12 untrue statements to the UN in respect of the Falkland Islands and has repeated these statemements to the UN at least 36 times. Everything said by Argentinian politicians - is taken as truth by the OAS - Damn liars.
Jun 06th, 2012 - 11:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0@1 God bless Canada.
What is this OAS resolution worth? Is it supposed to make me WANT to talk to Argentina?
Jun 06th, 2012 - 11:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0Same old same, nothing has changed at all.
If you think The USA is going to turn away from The UK....keep on dreaming. In a conflict the USA will be there backing up The UK in every way she can..so don´t kid yourselves.
Jun 06th, 2012 - 12:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Reagan certainly gave us support when it mattered but he was an honourable president. I don't think a conflict with the Falklands is likely at the moment but continual embarrassment of and damage to Britain's economic interests will not help. Obama has effectively given a pat on the back to all of those Latin American countries trying to gang up on Britain. It wouldn't matter so much if Brazil didn't have such market potential and power. Obama's anti-British tone is consistent... as if our own government's lack of spine isn't bad enough, he keeps talking in glowing terms about the EU. If he wasn't black (something racist continental neighbours aren't exactly enlightened about), he'd make a great Western European social democrat. He is certainly wealthy enough to be one.
Jun 06th, 2012 - 12:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In any case, whatever our closeness to the USA (and it is something I value greatly), it doesn't always get reciprocated as it should. Obama after all declared France their greatest ally in history and one of his office also declared Britain just one of over a hundred countries that don't really matter. He has similarly wound up long-standing East-European allies for his cosiness towards Russia. Personally, I sincerely hope this time next year we're conducting business with a Republican again.
@4 “Vice-President Marcos Paz, opening the Argentine Congress on 1 May 1866, said:
Jun 06th, 2012 - 12:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The British Government has accepted the President of the Republic of Chile as arbitrator in the reclamation pending with the Argentine Republic, for damages suffered by English subjects in 1845. This question, which is the only one between us and the British nation, has not yet been settled.”
This is the English translation from British and Foreign State Papers 1866-1867
(printed London 1871), p. 1009; original in Heraclio Mabragaña, Los
Mensajes 1810-1910, Buenos Aires 1910, vol. III, p. 238: “Este mismo
gobierno [= el gobierno británico] aceptó por árbitro al Presidente de la
República de Chile, sobre perjuicios sufridos por súbditos ingleses en
1845. Aun no se ha resuelto esta cuestión que es la única que con
aquella nación subsiste.”
Now that's unfortunate, isn't it? Sixteen years after the “Convention of Settlement” the argie vice-president, who ought to have known, says that therte is only one outstanding dispute between Britain and argieland. A matter of compensation payable by argieland to English people.
In relation to the Falkland Islands and the word “pirates” only two names spring to mind: Jewett and Vernet. I'm sure you can find the address of Vice-President Marco Paz in your own National Archives. We've even given the date! But you won't, will you? Too inconvenient. AHAHAHAH. Who's STUPID now?
@16 Oh, look. Someone who's STUPID. Bit pointless asking you to comply with a resolution telling you to cease fire and get your troops off OUR Islands when we've already beaten the sh*te out of them and KICKED them off. Wouldn't you say?
Does anybody know what is going on with “aussie sunshine”? Has it had a brain transplant? Or is there someone new on the MercoPress desk at the argie foreign ministry?
Lets face it, not suprising really that the general south american region deviates from the human rights of the few, why break the habit of a lifetime.
Jun 06th, 2012 - 01:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thankfully the OAS is as effective as a 5 second fart.
Jun 06th, 2012 - 02:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0All the back slapping there, will not compensate for the fact they cannot bear to read history which clearly disproves Arsentinas claim on the Falklands as completely bogus. Well done Canada
. And as you're neutral USA, perhaps you should get your asses off Ascension Island and Diego Garcia. And perhaps the UK should spend less money trailing around the USA's arse end everytime they want a war. We can be neutral too, Mr Bollock O barmy.
@21 Boovis. I agree with you there with regards to the US. However in the minds of some of the Argies in here that will be used to differently and be made to look like the US is on Argentina's side.
Jun 06th, 2012 - 02:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@26 Did you listen to his message to The Queen for her Diamond Jubilee? Pro-British and confirming our 'special relationship'. To paraphrase, he said that when push comes to shove, the UK and USA always support one another.
Jun 06th, 2012 - 02:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I hear a lot on here about Obama being anti-British but people in politics in DC just don't see it that way. He knows we need our strong alliance. I honestly think the US just don't want to stir the pot in SoAm. They know nothing will change and the Falklands will remain British, so why get involved in CFKC's pantomime.
Thanks Canada
Jun 06th, 2012 - 02:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 030 and 31: agreed and agreed. Obama's made a few mistakes but he knows if push comes to shove he needs the UK and France to slap down enemies when the US is tied up elsewhere.
Jun 06th, 2012 - 02:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thanks Canada!
Jun 06th, 2012 - 04:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Obarmy is on his way out anyway.
@31 http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/324746/Diamond-Jubilee-President-Barack-Obama-s-moving-salute-to-an-enduring-Queen
Jun 06th, 2012 - 04:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thanks Organization of American States (OAS) to support the just claims of Argentine sovereignty over the Malvinas Islands, and not be intimidated by the U.S. and Canada.
Jun 06th, 2012 - 05:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 036 Raul (#)
Jun 06th, 2012 - 05:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Jun 06th, 2012 - 05:05 pm
No support from OAS, it only asks us to sit down to talk with the UK. As usual our “hermanos americanos” have shafted Timerman and Kretina who have to tell us what a great victory the've just won. Stupid tits.
36 Raul
Jun 06th, 2012 - 06:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Just claim” - based on what?
There isn't any just claim as emphasized by the Argentine vice president's opening speach to the Argentine congress in 1866, quoted several times on this board, latest in comment 27 above.
Don't make a fuss over a non-issue, solve Argentina's severe problems (like a 30 per cent inflation) instead.
“The future of the Islands is not in the hands of the UK or Argentina, nor any other country represented here at the assembly. It is in the hands of the people of the Falklands”, added Ms Clouder who insisted that the UK “will not talk about sovereignty unless the people of the Falklands so decides”.
Jun 06th, 2012 - 06:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“If they wish to change this, we will help them reach that change. Currently the people of the Falklands have made it clear that they prefer to keep the relation they have with the UK”, added the FCO officer
Following Ms Clouder’s statement, Timerman underlined as a ‘great achievement’ for OAS that a representative from the Foreign Office was present at the assembly as an observer, but insisted on an official meeting, right away, to resume negotiations on the Falklands/Malvinas dispute.
its just wasting oxygen!
37 Raul
Jun 06th, 2012 - 06:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0History proves that Argentina has no valid legal or moral claim to the Falkland Islands. Argentine claims are based on lies, in fact Argentina has made at least x12 untrue statements to the UN in respect of the Falkland Island since 1964 and have made these statements at least 36 times. Argentine claims are based on propaganda only since the time of Peron. Just look at the old Argentine maps like the '1872 Latzina map'. Your politicians have harped on about the 'Malvinas issue' just to side-track the Argentine public away from economic problems at home mainly caused by inept political and economic leadership.
why does this issue continue to get air space on here. Can we make this absolutely clear - no one gives two fucks what the OAs or anyone else says about this issue.
Jun 06th, 2012 - 06:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the Falklands are British and will remain so for as long as the Islanders want it to be. not only that but this issue takes up zero column inches or minutes of TV time here in the UK or anywhere else in europe because no one else gives two fucks about the issue.
please close this thread as there is simple no more to discuss.
what a waste of fucking time.
What the self determination of Quebec will be ?
Jun 06th, 2012 - 07:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Raul/Malvinero - you clutch at straws! CFK has got nothing other than a watered down pretty meaningless statement to take as support to the UN- all it does is ask that the dispute is settled peacefully - no sides are taken - that is the only reason the US signed it- because no sides were taken - can you both not understand reality! Reality is that the US - if and when the chips are down - would back islander selfdetermination and the UK - but it is easier, as there is no big fuss or tension for her to be neutral in public, and thus maintain her profile reasonably well in S.America.
Jun 06th, 2012 - 07:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So for you the OAS meeting was indeed a waste of time - I think Arg will see a gradual crumbling of support over the next year or two as more and more of the world realises the lies and bullshit Arg pours out about us.
To placid,
Jun 06th, 2012 - 08:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The argentine government of CFK speaks bolloxxs
And her deluded bloggers do the same,
Disappointed of the yanks,
Yes I know some of you think, they wish not to get involved, and will back Britain in the time of conflict,
But the bloody point is, it’s the impression they give to a deluded loony bin, when you sit on the fence,
The truth is, brits are dying alongside American troops, [we did not sit on the fence]
In the 2nd Iraq war, [and as you lot say, was illegal] did we sit on the fence,, not bloody likely
We stood shoulder to shoulder, and in afghan, did we sit on the bloody fence,
And IRAN , we all know its coming, are we going to sit on the fence, not bloody likely, we will stand shoulder to shoulder, with the yanks,
So please, don’t insult my intelligence, by saying they are the our greatest ally, but sit of the bloody fence, this is two faced hypercrit ,
They may well back us up in a war down south, [but hey, do we really need them]
Just there backing, would send a very strong message to the south Americans, that they not only back us, and will defend, , and argentina would be sitting there looking very alone,
,
Just my opinion,
But as they, say [your best friend is not just for XMAS ] its forever ]
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Bravo Canada.
Jun 06th, 2012 - 09:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Lovely country, lovely people.♥
I do think that after ridding our country of Obama the US position towards the free citizens of the Falkands will be most supportive.
Jun 06th, 2012 - 09:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Cannot help but wonder why the Argies have not yet come to grips with the facts that exist. Perhaps the negotiations they ask for should include
the Argentine mainland or maybe just the area south of the Straits, eh?
They seem way keen on negotiating the non-negotiable...just a thought.
Incredibly, four of the most left-wing ideological Latin American countries that were eager to weaken the OAS human rights organization also stated that they want to leave the regional defence treaty (Rio Treaty) because they thought the OAS should have come to the defence of the Argentine Military Junta in its invasion of the Falkland Islands in 1982!
Jun 06th, 2012 - 10:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0AHAHHAHAHAAHHA
That shows how stupid is the harper,conservative,clueless crooks in Canada....
#9:The message from USA it is clear........A stable Argentina is more important than 3000 people..”
How did you get that message from:
From here,CLUELESS # 9!
US main interest is a “stable Argentina”, warns Falklands Task Force head
The head of the Royal Navy Task Force that recovered the Falkland Islands during the 1982 South Atlantic conflict has warned about UK defense cuts and underlined that United States has little interest in supporting Britain in any conflict since a stable Argentina is more important to the State Department.
http://en.mercopress.com/2011/06/13/us-main-interest-is-a-stable-argentina-warns-falklands-task-force-head
But you are not stable, Malvinero1,
Jun 07th, 2012 - 08:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina is extremely mercurial, hence all bets are off.
Why aren't you a stable country, Malvibaby?
You have rich farmland, you have minerals, you have lots of fresh water from the Andes.
No-one threatens or invades you.
Why can't you make it in the modern world?
Why isn't Argentina as rich as it was in 1900?
Therefore it must be the people.
lts like having a 12 year old in charge of a locomotive with a mile of heavy ore trucks behind.
When the crash finally comes, it will be catastrophic.
Time for you all to leave & give the country to people who will make it prosper.
48 lsolde
Jun 07th, 2012 - 12:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Love the loco analogy. :o)
Bias against the Falkland Islands and Britain shows clearly in the small language barbs that the OAS uses, such as the “historic” Timerman-Chowder hand-shake photo referring in English to the “Malvinas Islands”. Even the UN manages Falkland Islands (Malvinas) in English and in Spanish Islas Malvinas (Falklands).
Jun 07th, 2012 - 06:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Link to photo website referred to in this Mercopress story:
http://www.oas.org/en/media_center/photonews.asp?sCodigo=FNE-9308
the guy in the picture, looks so arrogant and aloft .
Jun 07th, 2012 - 08:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0like
who is this common urchin, who thinks he can talk to me .lol.
@54
Jun 07th, 2012 - 10:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you do not mean Timmidman, the 'guy' is a woman, Fiona Clouder from the Foreign Office Desk for the Americas, no less. And I liked the 'looking down my nose at this turd in front of me' look.
She has got more balls than the rest of the twats put together.
agree
Jun 07th, 2012 - 10:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 050 JohnN (#)
Jun 08th, 2012 - 01:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Jun 07th, 2012 - 06:44 pm
Thanks for the link. Fiona Clouder seems to be putting the Timidman well and truly in his place!!!
I would love to know what she said to him as they shook.
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Nice to see them shake hands, hopefully a step on the road to negotiations =)
Jun 13th, 2012 - 11:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0#44 Well hopefully Iran is NOT coming, but if it does I wouldn't want Britain to just sit on the fence, but to denounce the agression
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