Thursday, June 7th 2012 - 05:34 UTC

CFK Malvinas presentation before C24 divides Argentine opposition

President Cristina Fernandez has yet to fulfil her wish to have the whole Argentine opposition represented next to her when she addresses the UN Decolonization Committee claiming sovereignty over the disputed Falklands/Malvinas Islands next week.

Plenty of seats left in Tango 01; many fear a picture next to the Lady

According to Buenos Aires media reports from Congressional sources the invitation to travel to New York with the president was extended to the heads of all the political groups in the Legislative but the opposition is divided.

Lawmakers representing the Conservative Mayor of Buenos Aires City Mauricio Macri have declined the invitation but just in case sent a letter to the C24 expressing their most absolute full support for Argentina’s claim over the Malvinas and other South Atlantic issues.

The PRO group that responds to Mayor Macri said in a letter they decided to say no because “it is necessary that both sides (National Government and City Government) respect each other”.

The central government and the City of Buenos Aires are embroiled in a frustrating dispute over the city’s transport system (buses and subway) which Cristina Fernandez insists on handing over to Mayor Macri who said he is pleased to receive, but including the generous subsidies, “if not thank you so much”.

Likewise with the transfer to the city of law enforcement and justice responsibilities (and the funds to finance them) plus a conflict with the province of Buenos Aires on garbage disposal that threatens to close the dump and demands either a high toll or “move out”.

The bottom line is that conservative Macri looks as the most promising candidate for the presidential elections of 2015, and eroding his image is part of the game for the ‘K’ team.

Meanwhile the leading opposition party, Radicales is still holding discussions on the impact of some of them in a triumphant picture standing next with President Cristina Fernandez to which they could be held hostages in the future. Apparently the only Radical lawmaker travelling will be a member of the Lower House Foreign Affairs Committee.

A Socialist Senator is conditioning his trip to a one day advance of the hearings on the government candidate for Attorney General, who is rejected by most of the opposition because he lacks the “sufficient credentials and knowledge” for such a post. Apparently the ‘nay’ Socialist vote will be taken on the day the plane leaves for New York. If that is the case he’s not joining the party.

Dissidents from the ruling Peronist movement coalition have yet to decide and are also doubtful about the group’s photo and the fact the whole act in New York does not turn into a typical “K show”.

So far seats confirmed in the Boeing 757 Tango 01 are for two faithful Senators, Daniel Filmus and Miguel Pichetto and two other faithful from the Lower House Guillermo Carmona and Agustín Rossi. The Number One will also carry a group of Malvinas veterans specially invited for the presentation, since it is the 30th anniversary of the Malvinas war.

The invitation to travel to the C24 meeting was also extended to all provincial governors and in New York to all Latin American ambassadors before the UN. No final list with the pax names.

According to Argentine Foreign Affairs sources Cristina Fernandez will insist before C24 in denouncing the British “militarization” of the South Atlantic and will show the vast international support for negotiations on the Falklands/Malvinas issue to take off, the latest of which from this week’s OAS general assembly in Bolivia, even when Canada and the US abstained from supporting the Malvinas resolution.

The C24 meeting will take place June 14 beginning 10:00 in the morning until 13:30. Cristina Fernandez will present Argentina’s case for sovereignty over the Malvinas and other South Atlantic Islands and two members form the Falkland Islands Legislative Assembly, Mike Summers and Roger Edwards will insist on the UN principle of self determination for the Falklands’ people.

The Argentine president the following day is scheduled to have lunch with CEO from thirty leading US corporations, and will then remain in her beloved city for shopping until Sunday when she flies to Mexico for the G-20 summit on Monday June 18.
 

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1 Xect (#) Jun 07th, 2012 - 05:59 am Report abuse
The wheels have well and truly fallen off this car........
2 Idlehands (#) Jun 07th, 2012 - 06:07 am Report abuse
Will she get approval to buy dollars for her planned shopping trip?
3 rnbgr (#) Jun 07th, 2012 - 06:37 am Report abuse
The US would like to get as far away from this issue as it can get. Nothing to gain lots to lose.
4 Boovis (#) Jun 07th, 2012 - 07:53 am Report abuse
She's going with some war veterans? Isn't that like Hitler going to the UN with two SS troopers to claim back Danzig? This woman's absolutely whacked.
5 GreekYoghurt (#) Jun 07th, 2012 - 08:29 am Report abuse
@2 I was wondering the same thing. But she's only agreed to transfer 3% of the massive wealth that she's accumulated while in office into Pesos, so I'm sure she can just open up one of her many Swiss numbered accounts and get enough dollarage to pay for supper with the CEOs.

Likelihood of CEOs getting free dinner... high... Likelihood of CEOs investing in Argentina... low.

@4 War vets go everywhere with her. She's always got the trio of war vets, bolivians and la campora to clap her nonsense. I'm still surprised the UN puts up with it, but they put up with bombing civilians in Syria and beheading non-muslims in Saudi, so what can you say.
6 RedBaron (#) Jun 07th, 2012 - 08:46 am Report abuse
@4- No even worse- It's like Angela Merkel going to Danzig with the SS troopers......now stop laughing!
7 Boovis (#) Jun 07th, 2012 - 08:50 am Report abuse
@5 Yep, and despite all that's going on in Syria, the UN thinks that a decolonisation committee supposedly set up to free oppressed masses should be partly run by a Syrian?
I take back what I said about Danzig, by the way, because of course Danzig actually did belong to the Germans at one point...
I'd add as well, that if Russia were to say anything regarding Argentina's claims of moving a population into an area that supposedly isn't yours and then claiming it because of the population, that we should loudly shout cough *southossetiawar* cough
8 GreekYoghurt (#) Jun 07th, 2012 - 08:53 am Report abuse
@6,7

Does she know that she lost that war? and in the context of that war, Argentina specifically ignored the UN SCR 502 telling the Argentinians to get out of the Falklands. It makes absolutely no sense to then turn up with a bunch of them.

In this context, the UK avoid saying anything. If you talk to psychos in the street they normally stab you. Better to just ignore them and walk past.
9 Boovis (#) Jun 07th, 2012 - 11:00 am Report abuse
I'm still not sure why she's going there. If it's a decolonization committee, what's that to do with Argentina?
10 GreekYoghurt (#) Jun 07th, 2012 - 11:07 am Report abuse
@9 Well, it's got nothing to do with Argentina. That's the curious part of the whole episode. What's even more curious is they're allowed to bandstand in front of the committee their clear wish to colonise the falklands.

Shows you that the UN on the whole is just a pretty useless talking shop.
11 Musky (#) Jun 07th, 2012 - 11:09 am Report abuse
War veterans going too (very Robert Mugabe). I heard she's going to dig up Nestor's body and take that with her too!
12 GreekYoghurt (#) Jun 07th, 2012 - 11:24 am Report abuse
@11 Dead war veterans and dead Nestor? Is he going to dead-unilaterally walk out of UN-proposed negotiations with the UK again? [just in case we forgot that Argentina walked out of the negotiations they claim we never had]

There's a reason why we don't live in Argentina. [Because it's sh!t]
13 Boovis (#) Jun 07th, 2012 - 11:26 am Report abuse
@11 A nice trick would have been for the FIG to take along descendants of those who stayed in 1833 so they could say “Hi CFK, what am I, chopped liver?”
14 GreekYoghurt (#) Jun 07th, 2012 - 11:49 am Report abuse
@13 At which point do Gibraltar.gov and the FIG just stop engaging with the UN C24 is the question I'd ask. With Argentina turning up with people who invaded their lands and now saying they want of colonise them, they're quite within their rights to just say 'This is nonsense. You don't even have any measures for completion of the process. Goodbye' and everyone disengage en-mass except for the few territories that actually want to stay involved.

Truthful objective history means nothing to this company of savages.
15 expbrit (#) Jun 07th, 2012 - 01:55 pm Report abuse
@ 2 She won't need many. The shopping trip will be charged to the embassy and paid from their slush-fund.

@ 9 and 10 I'm still dying to know the answer to those questions myself.

@ 11 Gross !!

@ 13 If the FIG issued an open invitation for representatives of groups who support their cause to attend the C24 I reckon there wouldn't be any room left for the K-Krew.

@ 14 We have been trying to say Goodbye to Argentina since the dawn of time. It's like trying to communicate with a dyslexic goldfish.
16 JohnN (#) Jun 07th, 2012 - 01:58 pm Report abuse
Getting most or all political parties onside is useful strategy (like important that the Labour Party defence and foreign affairs shadow ministers are on side with British government), but as noted in news article, in Argentina's case, the byzantine political considerations come to the fore. Will be interesting to see who actually shows up and what they say. Possible to get real-time or near real time access to that day?

In any case, just posted comment to related Mercopress story that the internet agenda of the UN De-Col committee still says that 14 June meeting was part of 11-15 June informational meetings but that the Falklands would be addressed specifically on 21 June. Seems that the agenda - currently posted on the UN De-Col website is inaccurate? Or will there by more on the Falklands on 21 June? Since the UN De-Col chair is Ecuadorian, he is probably bending over backwards to make sure that CFK and her band get every advantage.

Reference:
UN De-col meeting agenda:
www.un.org/ga/search/view_doc.asp?symbol=A/AC.109/2012/L.2
17 Tobers (#) Jun 07th, 2012 - 02:04 pm Report abuse
Options

FIG to ignore this C24 meeting - it has no power or influence to change squat.

or

FIG to go to this meeting and just point and laugh and continuously at CFK and her gang.
18 ChrisR (#) Jun 07th, 2012 - 02:44 pm Report abuse
Is that a ticking I can hear on Tango 01.

Now wouldn't that be an opportunity - and no opposition going in case they get photographed with The Mad Bitch herself.
19 Brit Bob (#) Jun 07th, 2012 - 02:56 pm Report abuse
From the Nasdaq 7.6.12

'CFK has resorted to blocking imports and rationing the foreign currency Argentines can purchase to make sure enough dollars are in hand at the Central Bank to pay government creditors. Those measures have sent a chill through the economy as factories face shortages of imported parts and the heavy dollarized real estate market for the want of greenbacks. Auto production also fell 24% .'

Nero fiddled while Rome burned
20 Steve-32-uk (#) Jun 07th, 2012 - 03:01 pm Report abuse
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/9316959/Falklands-Minister-criticises-domineering-Argentina.html
21 slattzzz (#) Jun 07th, 2012 - 04:12 pm Report abuse
wonder if HMS Dauntless has a note of that aircrafts callsign......................just a thought
22 GreekYoghurt (#) Jun 07th, 2012 - 04:21 pm Report abuse
@21 I wouldn't worry about that. Given the amount of money that went missing from the coffers of Maximo Airlines, I'd be surprised if Tango-1 had any spare parts and very surprised if it she actually flew to NY in it. I'd imagine she'd go in a private charter.
23 Simon68 (#) Jun 07th, 2012 - 04:28 pm Report abuse
22 GreekYoghurt (#)
Jun 07th, 2012 - 04:21 pm

I don't think you're right on that one, Greek, after all its Máximo's Mum who is flying. I think he'll put up the price of a full service from his own pocket, after all he'll get back by screwing us Argentines over something else.
24 GreekYoghurt (#) Jun 07th, 2012 - 04:47 pm Report abuse
@23 Maybe Maximo will send his wife shopping with his mum so he can spend some alone time with killicof.
25 Conqueror (#) Jun 07th, 2012 - 05:11 pm Report abuse
I like the idea of CFK going to the C24. The question is: As persuasive arguments, is she going to show them her tits, her bum or offer everyone a free blowjob?

Of course, what it actually displays is total desperation. Tinpotman has proved himself to be a wanker with aspirations towards being a prat (failed). Arguello has proved to be a smelly fart with halitosis. Now CFK is trotting off for a shopping trip and, incidentally, taking the opportunity to prove that Tinpotman and Arguello aren't aberrations. They are true representations of argieland. Will she cite all the lies that Pascoe and Pepper have already identified? Will the Falklands representatives take copies of the Pascoe and Pepper 2012 paper with them for distribution?
falklandshistory.org/sites/default/files/false-falklands-history.pdf

Could anybody get copies of the paper to the Falklands representatives in time?
26 British_Kirchnerist (#) Jun 07th, 2012 - 05:44 pm Report abuse
What a thread this is turning into. First a nice “fair and balanced” Fox News style flourish at the end of the article: “The Argentine president...will then remain in her beloved city for shopping until Sunday ...” Is this a news piece or a bitchy gossip column?

#2 Is there even a “planned shopping trip” or is that as much conjecture as the article saying New York is her “beloved city” (as if thats a bad thing; the way people post round here its sometimes made out like she's the next bin Laden, yet its also made to look bad that she, allegedly, loves New York!) Anyway she is one of the best dressed women in the world and probably wouldn't be if she delegated all her shopping to some aid; better with the personal touch =)

#6 My Queen is NOTHING like Angela Merkel =) (or Hitler, of course)

#16 Back to the actual point of the article at least, but I must say your perspective is a bit warped. So its OK for Labour in Britain to support an unpopular unwinnable bloody war (probably because they started it) but not for Cristina to expect support for a point of complete national consensus from opposition parties which have always supported it. More amazing was hen they had to support her natioinalisation of Repsol, despite it running contrary to their capitalist dogma, because Cristina the Great had won such overwhelming public support for it any other stance would have been politically suicidal.

#18 & #21 Evil bastards

#24 & 25 Now thats something I've not seen for a while, Greek being Greek followed by Conqueror being Conqueror, spouting offensive bilge in their own unique ways. Welcome back GY, I can see you've not changed!
27 GreekYoghurt (#) Jun 07th, 2012 - 06:14 pm Report abuse
@26 Ah Scottish_Communist, don't get your knickers in a twist just because your favourite populist sh!t-bag of a government cannot get enough grey-matter into a room to manage a company properly, let alone create a consensus about their national dream to colonise other people.

Just chill out about it.
28 Tobers (#) Jun 07th, 2012 - 06:18 pm Report abuse
British Kirchnerist is for whatever reason utterly irrational in his Kirchnerism and thus is pointless debating with.
29 GreekYoghurt (#) Jun 07th, 2012 - 06:35 pm Report abuse
@28 I think (s)he's just bored. I'd be bored if I was in Scotland too.
30 ElaineB (#) Jun 07th, 2012 - 06:43 pm Report abuse
I happen to think that mentioning her shopping trip is a very valid point since she will have access to dollars and designer clothing denied to other Argentines because of her looney-bonkers policies on buying dollars and import restrictions. 'Some are more equal than others'.
31 GreekYoghurt (#) Jun 07th, 2012 - 06:46 pm Report abuse
@30 Elaine, you forget that “All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others”.
32 ElaineB (#) Jun 07th, 2012 - 06:49 pm Report abuse
It did make me smile that no one wants to be photographed with her; tainted much.
33 GreekYoghurt (#) Jun 07th, 2012 - 07:05 pm Report abuse
@32 Even an imbecile would know that her administration has turned poisonous. Now they're probably waiting to find the next peronist rising prince(ss) to ruin the country some more.
34 briton (#) Jun 07th, 2012 - 07:22 pm Report abuse
ARGENTINA SAYS FALKLANDS OIL IN ITS SOVEREIGNTY

www.chronicle.gi/headlines_details.php?id=25080
60 years of peace,
Oh well it was nice while it lasted.
.
35 Conqueror (#) Jun 07th, 2012 - 07:40 pm Report abuse
@26 If you must worship sh*te! Tongue out, boy. Enjoy!
36 Ahab (#) Jun 07th, 2012 - 08:04 pm Report abuse
As I have posted on another thread, why is CFK attending this meeting at all?

This is a decolonisation meeting so therefore the two parties involved who should be talking are the Falkland Islands and the UK. The FI government and the UK have talked and are happy with the status quo, so that's it, nothing more to discuss, no-one is being harassed or bullied (that's being done by the Argentine government).

Also, the FI are self-governing so shouldn't even be on the committees list.

None of this has anything to do with CFK and even if the Falklands agreed or were pressurised into declaring independence (which of course the UK would allow) all the aggressive and bullying policies put forward by CFK have damaged relations so badly, I can't see any fully independent FI government giving her the time of day.

By hey, I'm just putting forward my opinion. The real choice is, of course, with Falklands people themselves, as it should be.
37 Leiard (#) Jun 07th, 2012 - 08:17 pm Report abuse
@36
The Falkland Islanders have made their position very clear, they are happy at the moment being British Overseas Territory.
38 GreekYoghurt (#) Jun 07th, 2012 - 08:25 pm Report abuse
@36 What you're doing there is assuming that the UN committees aren't disfunctional, remitless, corrupt and bathing in anarchy. There was a recent example of the UN Committee on Religious Understanding being sponsored by Saudi Arabia, a country that kills non-muslims for basically being non-muslims.
39 briton (#) Jun 07th, 2012 - 08:26 pm Report abuse
yes
british they are
british they wish to remain,
and the british will protect them .
40 Steve-32-uk (#) Jun 07th, 2012 - 08:51 pm Report abuse
@36 Ahab

The C24's job.
'The Special Committee on Decolonization (also known as the U.N. Special Committee of the 24 on Decolonization, the Committee of 24, or simply, the Decolonization Committee) was created in 1961 by the General Assembly of the United Nations with the purpose of monitoring implementation of the Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples and to make recommendations on its application.'
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_Committee_on_Decolonization

If they weren't corrupt she wouldn't be going.

Also your second point around an independent FI. It would certainly shut Argentina up once and for all, but the FI are happy maintaining their links with the UK, for the time being.

Ahab - Where are you from?
41 Leiard (#) Jun 07th, 2012 - 08:56 pm Report abuse
@40 Steve
The C24 have not achieved anything in the last 20 years !!!
42 Ahab (#) Jun 07th, 2012 - 09:05 pm Report abuse
@37 Totally agree

@38 You have a point there. Call me naive for thinking the UN and all it's sub-branches were for the good of humankind, rather than a place where bloated self important lazy politicians could find something to do rather than actually help people (like there are supposed to)

@40 I just mention the independence thing as a hypothetical as it would negate a lot of the crap coming out of the CFK administration. And I completely agree on the corruption thing, I just don't like people reading from a made up script, simply ignoring facts because of a chip/shoulder situation.

I'm from England, although I have family links to Scotland, Ireland and have lived in Wales for a good portion of my adult life (a lot of my closest friends are Welsh), so I get tired of a lot of stuff said about people just because they are separated by a line drawn up hundreds of years ago.

People are people. If they own the land (which the Falkland islanders do) and they are making the best of it (which the Falkland islanders are) they should either be engaged with as friends or if you don't like them, leave them alone. Nothing can be gained from Argentina's current course of action.
43 Steve-32-uk (#) Jun 07th, 2012 - 09:07 pm Report abuse
@41 I agree, there is only one colony left in the world and ironically it isn't on the C24's list and it is in South America.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Guiana
44 JohnN (#) Jun 07th, 2012 - 09:32 pm Report abuse
43 Steve-32-uk: Interesting how French Guiana “flys under the radar” of the tercermundista crew who hate the Falkland Islands. Seems that the French government has persuaded the anti-colonialistas that FG is not a colony because it is really an integral part of France like Paris, but that happens to be geographically located (Région d'outre-mer) 7,000 kms from Paris.

Back in late 19thC, French had to buy off Brazil by giving them a huge chunk of FG, but one would think that they would have had to have given it all away to make Brazil happy that no colony existed on FG territory?

Of course, the French aren't counting on friendly neighbours so they do have quite a significant number of military hanging out in FG: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Guiana#Military.2C_police_and_security_forces

Complete integration with Britain may be an option that has been discussed in Falkland Islands Legislature or FIG?
45 briton (#) Jun 07th, 2012 - 10:29 pm Report abuse
Complete integration with Britain may be an option that has been discussed in Falkland Islands Legislature or FIG?

in this present climate, and troubled times, it may well be the best bet .
46 honoria (#) Jun 08th, 2012 - 02:42 am Report abuse
Complete integration with Britain is an interesting idea but I don't think we need it. Argentina has little impact on us - after all, they have spent the last 30 years and more reminding us that we are best off keeping our distance.
47 GreekYoghurt (#) Jun 08th, 2012 - 08:01 am Report abuse
I think people looked into Complete integration with UK, but let's face it... the falklands is the size of Wales. It's better we just protect them until they're sizeable enough to go it on their own, and then we just have yet another friendly nation to join the commonwealth.

The issue here is the morally repugnant desires of the Argentines, not our mature relationship with our BOTs.
48 v for victory (#) Jun 08th, 2012 - 06:52 pm Report abuse
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49 briton (#) Jun 08th, 2012 - 07:12 pm Report abuse
sadly unless camaron and the evil DR clegg, stops it, then it will continue , will it not .
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