Middle class Argentines protest with pots and pans against corruption, crime, inflation and the dollar clamp
For the third night in ten days angry Argentines took to the streets of Buenos Aires and other major cities banging pots and pans to protest corruption, rampant crime and insecurity, inflation and the dollar clamp in the midst of an economy that is showing clear signals of exhaustion and growing questions on the current course of affairs.
Some protestors even marched into the iconic Plaza de Mayo next to Government House and others demonstrated with their pots and pans in front of the presidential residence in Olivos where Cristina Fernandez lives and usually works. Cars passing by expressed support by blowing their claxons.
Pot-banging protests are highly symbolic in Argentina, stirring memories of the street demonstrations staged by angry savers, housewives and students during a devastating economic and political crisis of 2001/02, and before that against the military dictatorship.
The protesters, who gathered in the downtown Plazo de Mayo square after receiving messages on social networks, complained about double-digit inflation, a virtual ban on purchases of foreign currency by savers, crime and corruption impersonated in the figure of Vice president Amado Boudou.
They distributed Peso bills with the face of Boudou, who is involved in a scandal to print 100 Pesos bills, and others with that of Senator and former cabinet chief Anibal Fernandez who every day preached on Argentines to learn to think, work and save with Pesos until it was revealed he has his savings in the greenbacks.
“I do what I want with my money, honestly earned. Whoever sells dollars is an idiot”, were his angry comments when pressed by the media on the issue. He later apologized and was publicly and ironically reprimanded by President Cristina Fernandez.
The code word that circulated the whole day for the evening gatherings was “cace3rolazo” in reference to the pots and pans banging.
Less than a year since President Cristina Fernandez won an easy re-election with a record 54% of the vote, opinion polls have shown a clear decline in her approval ratings in recent months despite broad support for the re-nationalization of the country's biggest energy company, YPF.
She has dismissed anger over the restrictions on dollar purchases, saying only a few Argentines are affected and urging them to save in the local Peso currency instead.
“We’re the 46%” and “Independent Justice”, “No more dollar clamp” were some of the banners carried by the cheerful protestors who were dressed with hoods, berets, gloves, fur coats and carried Argentine flags, cameras and film equipment plus whistles and drums.
Most protests took place in middle-class neighbourhoods that are the most severe critics of her government’s incapacity to contain inflation, crime and combat corruption, protest issues that are bound to increase as the economy slows down.
The last time so-called “cacerolazos” were staged against Cristina Fernandez's government was during a bitter conflict in 2008 that saw Buenos Aires residents take to the streets in sympathy for farmer protests against a tax increase on grains and oilseeds exports.
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For say...........a 5% fee of course!
Put it this way, couldn't do a worse job, anyway!
Britworker is correct, she will surely step up the rhetoric on the Falkland Island's like at the decolonization committee where she wants to colonize the Falkland's (it doesn't get anymore retarded than that).
And the truth is only the brain dead will be the only ones who don't see through her attempts at deflecting attention from her many and increasingly large problems at home.
& 1
average as well as the other countries have.
a) they actually believe she, nestor or maximo actual care about their opinions.
b) if she was cast out of office, they'll undoubtedly vote in another Peronist for more mismanagement, populism and corruption.
So... no news here.
Remember the coralito in 2001 when Ferdinand de la Ru(in)a escaped from the Casa Rosada by helicopter and the protestors (caseroles) were banging their pots and pans in the streets?
I sincerely hope that there will be no violence with consequent casualties.
Will CFK also have to escape by helicopter?
Will a new junta take over?
Will Dr Domingo Cavallo return to sort out the mess?
Don't miss the next thrilling episode of ”The trials of Cristina
For all those ignorant kirchenists trolls your country is in sh*t creek, deny it!
thats made my morning, all we need now is a desperate act of deflection, could do with a good laugh. Bring it on
I didn't have any choice.
This is why i always thought voting shouldn't be obligatory in this country..
Oh well, glad i have the european citizenship. Here i'm hoping i can leave this cesspool anytime soon.
A nation that could be one of the richest on the planet is destroyed by these mongrel politicians.
Cacerolazos protests are made up of ordinary individuals that have had enough of the government and CFKC's bonkers policies. It is much more significant and very interesting that social networks are being used to co-ordinate individuals. Like the Arab Spring.
Are you talking about General Maximo again?
Here are a few names of Argentinians who would rather have dollars than pesos.
1. Cristina Kirchener - your El Presidente
2. Hector Timerman - your foreign minister
Oh hell, let's just make it easy on myself
3. The Whole Argentinian Government!
There you go, the traitors of Argentina. Your whole government!
Even though the pots and pans banging triggered by our pathetic corrupt government saddens me a bit, I fully support those staging the protests. The level of frustration some argies feel is extremely high (me included), really hope Cristina´s helicopter crashes this time.
Funny comments on this site made my day! Have a great weekend everyone!
For say...........a 5% fee of course!
Put it this way, couldn't do a worse job, anyway!
ahahahah
hELP UK IF YOU CAN...ISOLDE..
UK IS finished!!
1 TRILLION POUND PUBLIC DEBT,3 MILLION UNEMPLOYED,9 TRILLION POUND FOREIGN DEBT
He is from Argentina and posting 'the UK is finished' over and over again yet doesn't really understand economics.
Argentinian inflation over 30%/UK 3%
Argentinian investment grade - Junk/UK AAA
Argentinian unemployment 9%/UK unemployment 7.9%
Argentinian GDP 447,644 /UK GDP 2,417,570
I could go on but its all rather academic when we compare countries since there is one clear loser.....
Sorry I couldn't resist a replay!!!
@23 Bet you've got some dollars, haven't you? Or are you too poor to buy one?
@29 Let's see now. This country that you talk about as being “finished” can put 4 combat aircraft a couple of hundred miles away and you wet yourselves. Then it puts a single naval vessel (just one) a similar distance away and you dump in your pants. Of course, it might be the 1200 troops we keep there at vast expense. Don't know how we manage. Oh, I forgot the nuclear submarine that “might” be around there. Can you afford a nuclear submarine? You haven't got any. Can you afford a state-of-the-art destroyer? You haven't got ANY destroyers. Can you afford next week's groceries? Did you know that I have 3 freezers full of food? It's so lovely to be a citizen of a failing country.
Toby, how is it going in San Juan? I heard they diverted gas away from homes and to the hospitals because they are having supply issues care to comment?
1/3 of the U$ bank deposits left in May! They are letting the banks lower their reserves so they don't collapse. Psst they're going to collapse anyway.
It is still cold in BA another week or so and they'll have to start rationing to homes there too...
brr
hahaha
Jun 09th, 2012 - 04:34 pm
So far no problem with gas in Neuquén province.
No US dollars available here though, its been like that since the beginning of the month, and this is an oil producing province with lots of yanks living here!!!
Even before she was elected president of Argentina, Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner carried the haze of corruption. In the most famous case, an emissary from Hugo Chavez, the president of Venezuela, was discovered at the Buenos Aires airport carrying a briefcase stuffed with $800,000 in cash, destined, he later told the FBI, to support Kirchner’s presidential bid. Kirchner denied the allegation. Within Argentina, many question the huge fortune Kirchner and her late husband Nestor amassed since taking public office. Her declared personal wealth stands at $13.8 million, up from $500,000 when the couple first entered national politics. Kirchner cites income from real estate and hotels the couple had purchased to explain the 2,600 percent return on the couple’s investment purse. Corruption watchers complain that her government has neutered government oversight, giving auditing posts to cronies compromised by conflicts of interest. The result: corruption cases take an average of 14 years to work through the system, according to the non-profit Center for the Study and Prevention of Economic Crimes, and only 15 in 750 cases have led to convictions.
if she hates you and uses you, she will stay,
[and where is she]
@2 Yes, CFK and co will need a bit of Falkland Island's (Malvinas) distraction politics to keep deflect the poor Argentine public away from the fact that they can't run a modern country and are politically and economically inept.
Question: Where is BK?
LOL @ 32
Yeahh...elaine....She wil be much better than cameron,and all the crooks uk had since 1950...
www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbLfje8_jgI
BTW,the next president in Argentina,will be MUCH WORSE than her for MAlvinas.....
We would be a little more silent if we`d have that kind of debt.
Some brits think that live in The Shire and give all the time a lot of economic advise that nobody has asked for.
Take a look on yourselves before you speak...how many times we have to remind you?
There were also cacerolazos in La Boca, a blue collar district.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGEpcL88AA4
And to be frank given the corrupt, failed state you live in, you should be directing your petty criticisms internally not externally to one of the worlds most stable and reliable countries.
You can't have debt (outside of the WCB) because nobody will issue it to you given you defaulted and refused to honor your commitment and pay it back.
Essentially Argentina trying to hand out economic advice is akin to Hitler lecturing other countries on human rights.
oh yeah and where are the usual suspects? The likes of Think and B_K? I would love to see them try and put a positive spin on this one. How different this crowd is from the rent_a_mob tried to storm the British Embassy 2months ago. My, how the world turns huh?
We will just have to wait and see how many of these protesters start being dead once la camping gets hold to hear about this......
I notice on other threads there is desperate attempt at distraction from the reality. I honestly don't know which way this will go and I doubt the government does too. What is really surprising is that CFKC would even consider leaving the country at a time when there is civil unrest; unless she plans to leave for good.
With the economy in the toilet and food shortages, strikes happening left, right and centre.
I think that KFC will be looking for her “retirement home abroad” or at least, staying out of the crosshairs to try and save her saggy, cracked a*se.
I have mentioned many times about the serious financial crisis afffecting my 2 countries ,the US and Argentina.
Here in the US we are loosing the middle class very rapidly. There is despair..But, we all can survive living with less...Think about the past generations that have survived without supermarkets, medical services, transportation and others services. It will take years of economic planning for the US pay back the 15 trillons dollars.. Argentina only has about 40 millons people. We all can follow austerity.
eeerrrmm and arn't you forgetting Spain? which has just asked for a 100 Billion Euro bail out??
At least the asylum bit would be correct.
At least the asylum bit would be correct
chris: You are an IDIOT!
uk is FINISHED! poor deluded ex empires...
Just get out from uk,while you still can...
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAA
How dumb the brits in this forum!
@55 Here's a little tip on how the “uk is FINISHED!” What are you so scared of? Our “finished” nuclear submarines? Our “finished” frigates and destroyers? Our “finished” combat aircraft? Our “finished” troops with their “finished” anti-aircraft, anti-missile and anti-ship defences? How about the “finished” Falkland Islands fishing industry, the “finished” Falkland Islands animal industry, the “finished” Falkland Islands oil industry?
Now here's a tip. Eventually you will push us TOO far. You are getting close. You WILL be looking at the destruction of every argie city, town, military base and anything we can think of. We can turn your cuntry into a nuclear wasteland. Be careful. Be very, very careful. And be very, very scared.
Get back to your black market and watching your betters bang their cooking utensils.
I can't believe that a serious website like mercopress publishes such a shamefull and very partial analisys. Most those hipocrites who were doing the cacerolazo aren't midle class, they belong actually to the richest sectors from capital federal which have always been anti k. There is a lot to say about it, and i will.
Firstly, i agree when they criticise the corruption, in fact, although i support many of the decitions that the national government took, i have always criticised too the suspitions of corruption cases that involve the government. However, all those hipocrites criticise and make such a fuss only for the suspitions of corruption cases that involve c. f. k's government, but they dont say a word about their intendant, mauricio macri, who was accused of illegal spy, and is being investigated by the justice, like others former integrants of his government who are accused of different corruption cases too. It's obvious that all those hipocrites are just using the argument of the fight against corruption as an excuse, but what actually annoy them, are the restrictions to buy dollars. Anyway, i understand that this kind of articles with very partial information, are great news for planty of the anti k, and anti argentina people who love posting comments here everyday, but unfortunatelly, you have no idea about how missinformed you are.
Jun 09th, 2012 - 11:07
Yes absolutely middle class. And not only “clase media” but also working class, what do you think all the people losing their jobs because of Moreno's stupid import restrictions are doing? Sitting at home and watching the cacerolazos on TV? Don't be so stupid, they are out in the street, “aguantando el frío” to show their fury at the way Kretina has let them down.
Thank you for referring to Canada, a country blessed with abundant resources just like Argentina. If you could only get your shit together and vote in a decent government, you might be as prosperous as us too :)
You couldn´t be more wrong...the richest people of the city/country do not live in those areas where the “cacerolazos” took place. They usually live in Puerto Madero, and many (mind you, not all) of them are politicians who have made millions of dollars over the last few years in power: Boudou, Alberto Fernandez, Vanderbrolle, Cristina (has just bought one more property valued over a million dollars in Puerto Madero) and all of their close friends. Oh, and even the most powerful trade union leader of the country, Hugo Moyano, and some of his colleagues could be included amongst the richest in the country... filthy corrupt bunch of politicians and “enterpreneurs” linked to this KAKA government, they are the richest scam of this country. CHORROS!!!
“This is what comes of sentiment about Eva Peron.”
I am reminded of - not la Evita - but of Isabel Perón.
Truly frightening statistics.
I wish the Argentines all the best because they are going to need nothing short of a miracle to get out of this one.. By the way does anyone know if they have paid any money to Repsol yet for the theft of YPF????? I'd love to know.
Cheers.
What axel is doing here is classic distortion. Internally he has to deal with cognitive dissonance relating to: a) the fact the KFC government that he supports is collapsing his nation around his ears; b) the huge levels of corruption associated with the KFC government are bleeding his economy dry; c) as a member of La Campora he is unable to go into exile, unlike General Maximo.
So what Axel is doing is altering his perception of reality, and then he is trying to project that perception onto others by telling us things which aren't true, like the upper classes are revolting. He actually believes these statements, because if he doesn't believe them the dissonance causes him a huge levels of stress, by suggesting things like KFC and General Maximo lied to him. By La Campora maintaining this 'alternative to reality' they are able to keep people's attitudes to the government positive by ensuring the 'alternative to reality' blames the British, etc, and maintains the Argentinian perception of KFC goodness for as long as possible.
It's mildly orwellian, but basically the same strategy Goebbels used; If you tell someone lies enough times, they start to think it's the truth.
BTW,the next president in Argentina,will be MUCH WORSE than her for MAlvinas.....
worse how? shes tried everything, perhaps you can tell me what new measures the new president will do :/
Well Axel the $ has run out...now what? You $3300/mo salary (maybe) is now worth U$560 by eom July it will be U$413 and maybe under U$200 by Dec.
Axel and Think HATE when my predictions come true. Wait for the comeback. Sputter blank blank blank ends with you lie. I have seen it 100x.
hahaha
I am kinda surprised Think aka Marcos aka Guzz is still around usually he disappears when things start going badly for CFK. I wonder if he has any gas to heat his house? The solar panels don't work really well when it is cloudy and snowy.
It would be so easy to blame the rich for protesting, it fits well with the imagined enemy but CFKC is very rich, so how do you square that? The truth is, the rich will always be rich and they got their money out of the country years ago. It is the poor and middle-classes suffering under CFKC's policies. And being middle-class in Argentina is not the same as being middle-class in the UK. They are just a couple of wage-packets and a small amount of savings away from being poor. Take away the security of their savings and threaten their jobs at your peril.
Unfortunately they have been taken down a peg or two through the last 10 yrs and are now middle class. The middle class is in TROUBLE, higher taxes, higher utilities well higher everything with their wages stagnant and rapidly falling against the U$. They're terrified.
A lot of my friend's families want to sell their property to have some U$ to survive but they are stuck because no one is buying. The same thing happened in 2001 except this time is going to be much worse and much longer.
The Ks have destroyed Argentina's economy and now it just has to reach the bottom.
Jun 10th, 2012 - 02:09 pm
You've hit the nail on the head, about the beginning of this year, only 6 months ago, I was quite well off, now I'm just managing on the same income. My savings, in pesos as a good patriot, have lost about 15-20% of their value in that time.
As representative of middle class Argentina I thoroughly support the “cacerolazos” against the corruption, lack of justice, criminal management of the economy and lack of security brought on by Kretina and her troupe od idiots.
AND, how long has it been 30% and it is only early June?
I don't know what to think from here: the disasters are coming so fast it could be total meltdown by Christmas.
Just a little concerned of the knock-on effect to Uruguay.
If your comment was meant as a correctrion, my comment was meant not simply about Isabel Martinez, who, like CFK was her own worst enemy, but also about Eva Duare, who, with Juan Peron, tricked the masses into idol worship and then had the bad taste to die of cancer while Juan was still popular and before his exile to Spain. Without her charisma, his second term was a disaster, and his third should have been non-eistent, as his faux devotion to labor ought to have been well understood by ordinary Argentinans.
However, like JFK in the US, he took on a mystique that allowed people to think Isabel would have had the same empathy for the masses. Didn't happen, as her ouster and eventual zarest in 2007 showed. So, as the old saw goes, with the election of CFK, Argentinians proved that those who fail to learn from the mistakes of history are doomed to repeat them. In the case of Argentina, this hero(ine) worship can be traced directly to Eva Duarte Peron, as I said in my original post.
not a correction but an unpleasant feeling, which has been growing for a year or more.
I have been observing and worrying too. I am not in Argentina but nearby, with friends there whosde potential problems worry me a lot, especially when I heara president sounding more like a woman, younger than CFK's actual age, with a serious case of PMS. Talking publically about face lifts, et. As the economy tanks, she hauls out the very situation that the generals usdd to cover for their mismanagement thed lasst timd around.
@73 yankeeboy
The plunder of Latin America by the elite has been going on since the Spanish and the Portuguese first landed. While the English sent its rejects to North America (principally to the USA), much as it did to Australia, where they actually made a life until an elite emerged only by robbing their fellow citizens, the elite of South America simply came, plundered and returned, with absolutely no concern for the pl;ight of those they had used to enrich themselves. Thus it is a cultural trait for the rich to have no sympathy for the middle class and the poor. And don't forget that it is usually the elite who make the rules and levy the taxes on those less well off, in an attempt to further consolidate their own power and wealth.
This is why Globo and the elite despise Lula and Dilma in Brasil and try to expose the slightest corruption within their governments. But the Brasleiros appear to have learned a few lessons, though for how long is anyone's guess. The elite in Brasil continue to be worried, but apparently not worried enough to separate themselves from a little of their wealth th make their world a little safer from those who still are economically desperate. However, it could be that the fuse in Argentina has become a bit shorter and the explosion could happen . . . Pity that a government could waste an entire country for its own ease and comfort. Then again the USA is doing the same thing. Maybe it's just human nature to be so reprehensible and think to get away with it forever.
WTF???
The most superficial load of left wing horse shit I have ever read.
The world is in a mess and this was caused by the unfettered use of financial derivatives, bankers believing that the “party”” would never end and so on.
Think about Syria, Sudan, Zimbabwe .........
You could also compare this to Japan. Japan has one of the world largest economies. Yet its debt is 150% roughly (not looked up the exact figure) and it remains in very good stead economically as it can afford to run a defiecit that large.
If I have my facts wrong here let me know. Also if I am looking at it incorrectly.
The fact that this is starting to happen does not surprise me. People are realising that they have been miss-sold an idea and, far from being the economic geniuses with a brand new economic plan, the present government has pushed the country into a stagflationary cycle. If you start looking at the hallmarks of stagflation it is normally brought on by one of the following:
1 Stagflation can result when the productive capacity of an economy is reduced by an unfavorable supply shock, such as an increase of trade tariffs;
2 Stagflation can result from inappropriate macroeconomic policies (e.g. the government can cause stagnation by excessive regulation of goods markets and labor markets + central banks can cause inflation by permitting excessive growth of the money supply).
Normally one of these factors is enough to cause stagflation. Currently the government is aggressively pursuing two of these policies while the 3rd (increased money supply) is likely to come as a result of the first two.
Stagflation can be the natural result of monetary pumping which weakens the pace of economic growth and at the same time raises the rate of increase of the prices of goods and services. We are seeing all of these factors at work in the economy at the moment and the rise in prices is being fuelled by the fact that, when negotiating wages increases, future inflation is being taken into account by the unions thus pushing inflation higher. Each time the government has a decision to make which could see them set away from the abyss, they take the opposite route and entrench themselves further in the mire.
#74 I'm sorry things have gone bad so rapidly for you, but if these rather extreme swings are the way things happen in Argentina, then surely they can improve again once the fine tuning works its way through and the economy is atabilised and safeguarded from the sabotage of the very rich and financial elites. Surely thats a better bet than pushing more chaos?
#78 I salute your brilliant rendition of American history and you should take the attacks of the right wingers as a compliment. (But the MOST ridiculous left wing nonsense you've ever seen, Chilean Perspective? What about me?) Which is why I'm intrigued at your other point, about Presidential widows etc. Surely it depends on their politics, and Isabel and Cristina have, as I've already said, very different politics - different enough for the Kirchners to try to have her jailed for her role in the Dirty War. Some of your commentary on Cristina quite frankly comes across as sexist “when I heara president sounding more like a woman, younger than CFK's actual age, with a serious case of PMS. Talking publically about face lifts”. Well she is a woman, why shouldn't she sound like one? And a lot of women of her age have remained youthful for longer than was usual in the generation above them - surely thats a good thing, indicating both longer life expectancies and the advance of women's liberation. As for the rest, I don't know what PMS is and I've never before heard of Cristina talking publicly about face lifts. Please lets discuss this in a comradely way based on our shared anti-elitist perspective, but I think a defeat for Cristina would help the elites. What is your reason for opposing her and what do you think will come next if she goes?
Why oppose CFK, hmm corruption, cronyism, kleptocracy, dictatorship, fascism, public theft, vote buying, rigging courts, trying to destroy dissenting media, destroying the economy, destroying int'l relations....on and on and on...all she gorges herself on the public trough.
Simply disgusting.
You are starting from a false premise, that Kretina is left-wing. She is not left-wing she is part of your famous ELITE, this woman and her husband made a fortune lending money to poor peasant farmers in Santa Cruz province during the Dictatorship and when they couldn't pay up Kretina and Fester took their land.
When Fester was governor of Santa Cruz he and Kretina “bought”, for a nominal price, fiscal land and then sold it for millions of dollars. Where the hell do you think she got herself a fortune of more than US$370 million?
If you really believe all the bollocks you write on these treads you are perfect example of “you can stuff anything into soft sh*t.”
POOR OLD QUEERRRRR, HIS “MALE” SENSITIVITY WAS TOUCH AGAIN AND HE IS SEEKING REVENGE.....HE IS VERY OFFENDED...POOR BABY HE IS CRYING AGAIN...HE WANTS REVENGE.......
THE US HAS HOLD THE UK MALE TESTICLES FOR YEARS... AND THEY CAN NOT EJACULATE UNLESS THE US TELL THEM TO DO SO....LAST TIME OF UK MALE EJACULATION, APRIL 13, 2003
Your answers were so obvious that dont sorprise anyone, anyway, i suggest to read my comment again, where i said that although i support many of the decitions that c. f. k took, i have always criticised also the suspitions of corruptions cases that involde her government, but unfortunatelly hate blinds your minds, that's why you make stupid and very partial analysis. In fact, all those hipocrites who were caceroleando in plaza de mayo only criticise the corruption cases that involde c. f. 's government, and dont say absolutly anything about their intendant who is being investigated of illegal spy, and you are doing exactly the same, that's shows that you are as hipocrite as them, who are using the argument of the fight against corruption, in order to criticise a government that you dont like. If some of you you prefer to compare me with goebels etc etc, that just shows the low level of debate that you have, that' s why you need to make such stupid comparisons. On the other hand, i dont know if you saw on tv what those people said that day, i did, and thats' why i could see that most them weren't middle class, most them said that they hate her, because we are living a dictatorship, they also said that we are going to become into a comunist country, many of them showed their ideological hate against the government, when they expressed that all those ex montoneros must leave the government, planty of them complained about a sopossed lack of freedoms in general, and complained about especially because of the restrictions to buy dollars. Anyway, if you prefer to interpret something different, i respect it, but unfortunatelly, you dont know how missinformed you are. With my last comment i tried to make an ample analysis, in order to tell what's behind that hipocrite protests, that's something that you couldn't do.
What you comment above proves exactly what I said above, this is the middle class, and they are demonstrting against Kretina's government because it is totally corrupt. They aren't demonstrting against Macri because the Judiciary are investigating him and will or will not bring him to trial eventually.
You are absolutely right when you say that they hate her, that is because she has brought their hate on herself. I dislike her intensely, and I'll tell you why, about six months ago my wife, my mother-in-law and I could live quite well on my income and my savings were building up to something that would take me on a trip with my familly to see some of the beauties of my country, now my saving are worth next to nothing and my wife has had to find a job to keep us going.
Now if you are a paid La Campora troll, I can understand why you support this “lacra”, but if you are an ordinary everyday Argentine how can you be so blind to the truth?
Is your fault if you are saying not longer can afford anything or to make a living..You have had sufficient time prior to your retirement to buy land in Patagonia or to move to the argentine valley of Rio Negro where farmers gives FREE fruit and vegetables...You had a choice to plan your retirement years...so stop blaming the argentine leader...
The same goes with you, you decided to live in the USA, no one should have the right to spoil your decision to live there. OK
AHAHAHAHAH less than the corrupt incompetent criminals brits politicians.....
Anyway,with or without CFK,the next will be much worse on the brits imperialist..
uk is FINISHED!!Thanks to the lazy bum brits!
I keep repeating that with my 2 nationalities I can decide where I want to live and when. No one is spoiling my decision. But to blame Obama in the US or the argentine leader in Argentina about not making it during the retirement years is simple absurd!
Axel, have you not taken your daily pill this morning??? I cannot blame Macri or any other governor of any province of the country for the policies brought foward by Cristina and her cronies!!!
Discussing any issue with you is like discussing with a 12-year-old...no logic and no objectivity. Are you paid to defend the indefensible in your in-depth K analyses? That´s really sad, boy...shame on you and your K lot!!!!
With your last comments you showed how missinformed you are. Firstly, if you say that those people didn't criticise macri, because justice is investigating him, let me tell you that you are wrong, it's true that justice is investigating him, in the same way that it's investigating others former functionaries of his government, who are accused of different corruption cases, but it's also true that many of those people expressed their support to macri's government that day, and in others cacerolazos, and obviouslly they didn't say a word about the corruption cases that involve his government, that's why i say that they are just hipocrite, who only use the argument of the fight against corruption, in order to criticise a government that they dont like, and dont claim for justice for the corruption cases that involve their intendant, in my case, allthough i support many of the decitions that c. f. k took, i have always criticised also the suspitions of corruptions cases that involve her government, because i am not neather hipocrite nor injudicious. On the other hand, if your arguments are, kretina, or suggest that perhaps i am being paid in order to deffend c. f. k's government, that shows that you didn't understand absolutly anything of what i said, and it also shows the low level of debate that you have, that's why you make such pathetic comments. I dont deny that we have serious problems, and we all must discuss about them, because they will take many years to be solved, and we must be ample when we analyse them, we can't blame only the government.
btw....I don't think it is that difficult to hide the stolen money/assets..... that is what she/cronies will try to protect till the bitter end.... and that is what the opposition needs to go after and publicize.
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