YPF will no longer contract British-flagged vessels for the transport of oil
A small group of protesters burned a British flag Monday outside the headquarters of Argentina's oil company in Buenos Aires, saying YPF SA should stop using tankers that fly flags from the British Commonwealth.
Before it was expropriated from Spain's Repsol oil company, YPF used the Stela Polaris, which flies a Bermudan flag, to carry oil from Patagonian ports.
Liliana Fadul, a Lower House member representing Tierra del Fuego province that nominally includes the Falklands and other South Atlantic Islands, says YPF is now violating regulations designed to thwart offshore oil and gas exploration in contested waters around the Falkland Islands.
The protest was organized by Quebracho, a radical group involved in a series of anti-British rallies during this year's 30th anniversary of Argentina's 74-day occupation of the Islands following on the invasion of 2 April 1982.
A veteran from the 1982 war burned a replica of the British Union Jack and joined other protesters in presenting demands to YPF officials.
In response, the company said it has no plans to continue using British-flagged ships to transport its energy.
“YPF only made an exception this one time, buying from a British ship to guarantee the supply of oil and gas in Tierra del Fuego ahead of the coming winter” the nos nationalized YPF said in a statement.
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Liliana Fadul announces “I'm daft and I want the world to know it”
Is Argentina now claiming Bermuda?
It'll be the Isle of Wight next.
Hmm, they couldn't win against the UK alone, what chance do they have against 53 other nations?
The RG government really are getting desperate now aren't they? More crap intended to distract the domestic audience.
I wonder what CFK and her cronies would do if all 54 nations stopped trading with Argentina and imposed economic sanctions against them?
When are they going to get back to focussing on how they're going to get $7 Billion US a year for the next 5 years?
They're just imbeciles.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_Flag#Specification
Big thanks to Fiji who made a statement which was construed by some to be helpful to Argentina
Yes - it would be nice to talk about co-operation and friendship etc but sovereignty is definitely off the agenda unless the Islanders wish it. Talking whilst “agreeing to disagree” takes real cojones
Frankly, we can achieve precisely nada talking to this bunch of clowns - judging by the news on MercoPress, it is all about the Falklands. Don't they have an economy to save?
CFK and her minions will flee the country or be in jail quicker than you think.
For shear comedy value, CFK should join the commonwealth and fight from within!
Akrotiri
Anguilla
Ashmore and Cartier Islands
Australia
Bermuda
British Indian Ocean Territory
British Virgin Islands
Cayman Islands
Coral Sea Islands
Dhekelia
Falkland Islands
Fiji
Heard Island and McDonald Islands
Montserrat
New Zealand
Niue (with embellishments)
Pitcairn Islands
Saint Helena
South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands
Tokelau
Turks and Caicos Islands
Tuvalu
United Kingdom
Arnt some of these countires on the C24 commitie? Especially Fiji who we heard from the other day didnt we?
CFK: Thank you for your support but we wont support you.
Well the Commonwealth will need a new head post-Elizabeth II =)
hahahah you poor love sick deluded shit. The head of the commonwealth is always the reigning monarch of the UK. So unfortuantly for you it will be HRH Prince Charles and not CFK. But if you want try starting a UK petition with the Home Office I am sure it will recieve the support it deserves i.e. none.
There is no difference whatsoever between choosing a company based on pricing, based on trade preference, based on flag. In all cases, you are technically making a discriminatory act by selecting one over another.
This news article is akin to accusing someone here of racism against blondes because they prefer brunettes, and viceversa. If Argentina does not want its resources under ships carrying a Union Jack, their call.
It was called the British Commonwealth, up until they changed the name at the London Conference of 1949.
Can't help but chuckle. “We're banning all Commonwealth-flagged ships from transporting fuel except for the ones that are importing the gas we need to stop half of TdF from freezing this winter”.
If you believe only in Argentina do governments cave in to the petitions and solicitations of unelected covens and cabals, which often advocate their own shady interests and objectives, I'm afraid you are in for a rude awakening on similar stories in your own country, and admittedly very shortly.
'The Commonwealth'
created as 'The British Commonwealth' at the end of Empire
Members:
Antigua and Barbuda,
Australia,
Bahamas,
Bangladesh,
Barbados,
Belize,
Botswana,
Brunei,
Cameroon,
Canada,
Cyprus,
Dominica,
Gambia,
Ghana,
Grenada,
Guyana,
India,
Jamaica,
Kenya,
Kiribati,
Lesotho,
Malawi,
Malaysia,
Maldives,
Malta,
Mauritius,
Mozambique,
Namibia,
Nauru,
New Zealand,
Nigeria,
Pakistan,
Papua New Guinea,
Rwanda,
Saint Kitts and Nevis,
Saint Lucia,
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines,
Samoa,
Seychelles,
Sierra Leone,
Singapore,
Solomon Islands,
South Africa,
Sri Lanka,
Swaziland,
Tanzania,
Tonga,
Trinidad and Tobago,
Tuvalu,
Uganda,
United Kingdom (England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland)
Vanuatu,
Zambia
Suspended member: ...................... Fiji
Former members: ..........................Ireland, Zimbabwe
All these nations are now banned by Argentina .... though I reckon Fiji and Zimbabwe will be allowed to transport Argentina's fuels.
I think we should remember that it is just “a small group of protesters burned a British flag Monday outside the headquarters of Argentina's oil company in Buenos Aires, saying YPF SA should stop using tankers that fly flags from the British Commonwealth”.
No sensible nation would allow itself to be 'led by the nose' by a small group of protesters, would they?
Or will there be selective amnesia?
p.s I hope BP got dollars up front. Wouldn't trust them.
Do please enlighted me when the UK government has caved in and changed national policy to suit a small group of mask wearing, rock hurling thugs? Actualy evidence please not just it is going to happen.
It is pointless to discuss objectively with the British. You always indicate an incessant need to evince the lambent glow of factual superiority in any exchange, you seem to always require to claim the “moral” citadel when arguing against any other nation (Britain being the moral, hallowed side of course, the opponent being either libertine, depraved, corrupt, decadent, or any combination of those descriptors), and a propensity to descend to bickering by disparaging the cultural quiddities, econonic state, or political ongoings if the debate is not proceeding to your advantage.
So it would be a waste of time to tel you that your country was led to a war (Iraq), by exactly such a nefarious coterie. You need to ask yourself what immediate threat was that country to you, what exigency in geopolitical Risk did that country pose to you, how would that conflict protect the people of your country, or absent any of those (to dig for more reprobate justification), what economic benefit would such a conflict and its aftermath provide your country.
I know for a fact the answer to all of those is: none, none, it would not, and none.
Yet there you are, hundreds of billions of currency later, and hundreds of dead later. But believe yourself and nation to be immune to the insidious effects of unelected interests.
I suspect Maximo and his $80 million USD leg amputation is somewhere behind all of this, in his warm hospital
Exhibit A.
“and a propensity to descend to bickering by disparaging the cultural quiddities, econonic state, or political ongoings if the debate is not proceeding to your advantage.”
Case: rested.
It is also a waste of time reading your posts.
Exhibit B.
Anglos as so predictable.
I 'm waiting for a 3 week cold snap in BA...then the chaos will really begin!
hahaha
Attack the messenger, engage in ad hominems, impugn the messenger's character, slander or traduce their reputation, belittle their intelligence, vilipend their nationality.
One cannot engage in colloquy with brutes.
I must of also missed the bit where masked thugs were outside the UK parliment protesting for the invasion of Iraq, someone refresh my opion but wasnt the only protests to do with not invading Iraq. Also seen as you know for A FACT once again please provide evidence. To refresh your memory evidence is items that you present which justify your argument which elevates it above the level of mere speculative opinion. Therefore I will not provide evidence to say that in 2005 77% of Iraq's stated that deposing Saddam Hussain was worth the consequences of the war, excpet the nationwide opion poll that is.
Well it's news isn't it? Did you not see this coming? oh Argentina, predictable again!! I think this is just a token gesture as they will be all living in caves again, without the money to contract ANY ship let alone build their own!!
the KFC comedy roadshow rolls on!!!
For all of the words you seem to know you can't seem to put them together to come up with a coherent message can you?
I heard they are making a motorcycle company buy wine if they want to import products. Do you know this is against the WTO treaty and a bunch of bilateral treaties you have already agreed to ? Or is honorable a an outdated Anglo concept and is adhering to contract....all falling apart now though....
@41 They don't have any oil to transport, nor gas. That's why they're all freezing away with nothing to burn but government propaganda books on how time didn't exist before 1833, when Argentina ruled everything.
Discussing who is or isn't transporting their not-gas and not-oil is kind of futile.
I don't reply to topics unrelated to the article at hand, the use of British flag ships.
@40
Your reply was desultory, and as result difusse and lacks incisiveness.
“Therefore I will not provide evidence to say that in 2005 77% of Iraq's stated that deposing Saddam Hussain was worth the consequences of the war, excpet the nationwide opion poll that is.”
This for example is a bit rambled. You claim some poll had 77% support for deposing Saddam (which as we all know, is from the get-go a kneaded survey... of course if you ask people after the fact, 2005, if a dictator removed was “worth it”, you may get enthusiastic opinions. A correct survey would be one taken before the war... how about providing one of those).
And then you claim it was not a national poll.
All in all, you will need to redact slightly better and supply me with trenchant before-the-war evidence that people in your country were amenable to conflict.
You say: @38
I don't reply to topics unrelated to the article at hand, the use of British flag ships.
Then go on about Sadaam Hussein and Iraq. WTF has that to do with British flag ships?
More peripheral sideshows huh? Is the topic here the Falklands War?
Do you realize you are all looking ridiculous by the moment?
Stick to the topic and answer my original question, what is the big problem with hiring French, German, Chinese tankers instead or British.
Don't want to talk about important things like Killicof's soon to be ruined YPF not using Commonwealth flagged ships to transport oil they cannot pay for?
I'm intrigued, why trying to distract folks?
Because it is clearly my counter-example to show EngineerAbroad that his country is quite easily manipulated by unelected, non-majority interests. It is not the topic per say, but it ties to the issue of Argentina making decisions based on the demands of “thugs”, which was Engineer's accusation. The only way you can discuss the matter is by showing a counter example.
That is a far cry from bringing up cold weather or a 30 year old war. Those have nothing to do with the topic AND do not follow and logical debate. They are utterly supervened arguments.
Is CFK going to cancel the 6 LNG shipments scheduled through BP? I am sure they'll be using a commonwealth flagged vessel or will she let THE PEOPLE freeze and starve like she is doing in Ushuaia?
The statement was sarcastic but I appologise if your lack of english prevented you from seeing the sarcasim. I believe that 95% of those posting on here understanding the statement.
'which as we all know, is from the get-go a kneaded survey'.. do we all know or do you think you know? Without evidence it is only your opinion. Also to counter your point about the statement. You argue is that the invasion of Iraw was an evil deed and yet in 2005 77% of Iraq's said that )even if the method was wrong) they feel their country is a better place because of it.
@49 Why are you trying to distract people from the topic which is how your country's economic policies are dictated by masked thugs?
It was a Swedish ship registered in Bermuda not a British ship.
Quebracho are just a radical gang of thugs.
Influenced by unelected non-majority. Nope wrong Im afriad the UK house of commons (an elected house of the British Government) carried out a series of 2 house wide votes on 18 March 2003 and voted in favour of the invasion. Prior to this there had also been parliment debates on the subject.
This is a very silly way to run your country.
What “folks: are we reffering to exactly? Think about it Greek.
None of you are argies; therefore, to discuss our ”dirty laundry“ with you is irrelevant, a waste of time, and perhaps even unpatriotic. You have no say in any event.
Despite the gallant yet artless efforts by the British here to present a unified front on this website, I know there exist a litany of problems in your country, and of a nature more exigent and necessitious than perhaps at any time in your lifetime. You are back in recession. Your bonds are at risk of being debased. Your doctors are going on strike for the first time in 4 decades. You face massive cuts on all fronts.
I say these things neither to bruit about some perverted sense of economic relativism vis-à-vis Argentina vs the United Kindgom, nor to mollify any Schadenfreude. I state those facts to butress my argument that it would be quite likely that in domestic policies, all of you Brits may espouse disparate and conflictive views, that if discussed here would lead to ebulliently passionate and agonistic debate. Yet here, you all strive to exhibit an unambigous and united front.
So why do you all ask the argies to squabble with each other here, particularly when we are assailed by foreigners? It makes no sense, and it makes no sense to begin with because all of you foreigners do the exact same thing.
I have other outlets to protest internal politics. This outlet is not one of them.
@50
You overstate significantly the predominance of ”commonwealth flagged” shipping.
@51
I am not discussing the morality of the Iraq war, that is a different matter. I am asking you simply: Was there overwhelming support to invade Iraq in early 2003 in the UK, yes or no. If not, then you were lead to war by a minority cabal, for purposes you yet as a nation cannot or simply refuse to unconver.
Ah, yes, the elected representatives completely ignoring the will of the people. Every time the argie congress passes anything even remotely deemed to be “against” what the public opinion might be, we are called a dictatorship here.
This is exactly why you cannot argue with the British. They categorize what is the exact same scenario (a legislative vote against majority opinion) as a dictatorship in one country (any country not called the UK), and as a fine example of principled independence from public sentiment when it happens in their own country.
This is why I can't take it seriously.
Secondly you now say minority before you stated unelected minority so thank you for at least changing that. However the intial point was wether masked gands of thugs controlled govenment policy I do not beleive your Iraq war comment demonstartes that the UK government is influenced by masked gangs of thugs, rich buisness men probably but not violent thugs.
Britan does have its problems but so does Argentina bigger problems, the Argetnine universites are predicting a recession in Argentina within 6 months and entering one with 25% (unoffical) inflation will make it much harder to control as both hyper inflation and stagflation will be a real problem. My point all along on these boards is that CFKs government is out of control and the current position of spend spend spend is akin to driving down a motorway at 150 mph in dense fog whilst signs flash out warning and still deciding to put the pedal to the metal. The whole reason the flaklands dispute exisit is as a smoke and mirrors excersie to distract Argentines from the real doemstic issues.
The fact that brits can disagree on domestic issues yet agree with each other when it comes to international issues should demonstarte to you that whilst we may not agree on the correct course for our country we are 100% sure that we will support the Falklands islands in their right to self determination as enshrined in the UN charter.
[one should not have [dirty] laundry in public, it is un civilised . ect .
, I know there exist a litany of problems in your country
[unemployment , austerity measures , military reduced , NHS under pressure,
[ and your point is exactly ]]
I say these things neither to bruit about some perverted sense of economic relativism vis-à-vis Argentina vs the United Kingdom
[oh yes you do, ][you just throw shit to the wind, and see what comes back ]]
So why do you all ask the Argies to squabble with each other here,
[we don’t, but good verses evil, is always fun to watch, especially you lot ]]
In plain English=
YPF will no longer contract British-flagged vessels for the transport of oil
[and again, the point is ??]
[][ no one was hurt, in the making of this reply .]
I wonder which is more important to CFK, freezing people or British profits?
Hmmm I guess we will see...
So why do you all expect argies to side with the UK, EU, USA in foreign matters? You all are mad if you expect us to. Especially when beset and harried by international malice.
@62
My point that in spite of all those internal differences, I don't expect you Brits to duke them out here.
You may think that your erudite (?) comments give you some ascendancy. In fact, they make you look like the court fool or jester. May I suggest that you subject some of your comments to semantic analysis. See how much sense they make.
But why not discuss your “dirty laundry”? You and your compatriots and supporters like to discuss a British Overseas Territory. That is an internal matter for Britain and the Falkland Islands. All, and I do mean ALL, the evidence shows that argieland has no valid claim to those Islands and even less to South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands. So why do you all want to discuss OUR internal affairs?
If you stopped inditing fibs like “Ushuaia is starving and freezing” I could take you slightly more seriously. I have just checked 5 papers and none substantiate your claim. They do state the salting trucks are operating normally, the roads have been reopened, and kids are back to school as a result.
And as you can see, there is power even when the daylight is only a few hours.
www.clarin.com/sociedad/viento-nieve-dan-tregua-Ushuaia_0_717528420.html
Speak seriously, I'll respond seriously.
I never stated I wanted you to argee with our international policy nor will I ever, but im afriad as one of the permanent UN securoty council members our policy means more to the word that Argentinas. You have the right to develop what ever internatinal policy you like as long as it is not in breach of international law. Unfortunatly cancelling contracts because of a flag is racist by definition and is not ina cocrdance with both international contract law or the spirit of the UN charter.
By the way the majority of EU states were against intervencion in Iraq the mission was carrie dout by NATO.
@ 60
I am proud that my government does not always take the popular choice but the choice which leads to a more stable long term future i.e. a cut of public spending this is in complete comparison with the Peronist government inA rgentina which only ever makes rash popularist decisons in order to retain power, my argument is that Peronist government lie (as we have seen with the hisotry of the Falkland) in order to generate support, oh as well as cutting down on the rights of the press to publish any story negative to them ( as can be seen with the governments policy of fining any one who questions the governments offical inflation rate).
Lanacion google translation
Easy to connect the dots, no trucks no planes no food no medicine
I guess since CFKs jet is full of shoes it can't be used for water or garrafas
Let them eat cake..
Then I would suggest not to live in a country you find no commonalities.
Return to the UK, which was so wonderfully served by invading Iraq.
@70
Bad things happen, you simply engage in childish subreption: I deny people are starving in Ushuaia (a transparent lie), you take that and construe it as me being deluded about absolutely everything else, and from that misinterpretation arriving at your own conflated conclusions. Subreption 101.
You are such a fool and and you look like an idiot when you re proven wrong and you can't admit it.
Such an inferiority complex you need to see a shrink.
Did they let the 300 of the largest factories in BA go back to work yet? Did they turn the gas back on? I haven't heard. BTW are those laid off workers included in the INDEC unemployment figures?
and no true democracy would very mess with that
www.facebook.com/HonourRestored
Similarly, if Argentine wants to re-start their stalled negotiations with the EU toward a free trade agreement, the foundation basis of the EU's negotiations with Argentina should be absolute respect for current EU members' Overseas Territories, whether of Britain, Denmark, France, Netherlands or Spain.
“The crowd is ornery at the call”.
“What will the denouement be?”
I am sure, given what I witness here, I am the only one who understood what he meant, out of millions.
Delusional AND Narcissistic is such a winning combination...I bet you get a lot of dates!!
hahaha
plenty nuts lol
The transportation of gas by sea is a highly technical business.... most of the ships engaged in it are on long term charter.... not many are available on the spot market.
The French, Germans and Chinese aren't big players in the business and the ships they have are all on long term charter... see above. Most ships are built for and spend their lives in a dedicated trade.
and...
Them as are available want payment in dollars...
... and its cold and dark in Ushuaia just now ....
Then I would say Argentina removing any business ties with the UK may hurt short term but a positive long term. All business UK interests leaving Argentina, not having contracts, or not being involved will eliminate any change of sabotage an economic extortion.
Toby, Does your boyfriend beat you often?
To them, I'm the idiot, I'm the fool, I'm the monkey, because I simply study hard and have a large vocabulary.
Yankeeboy is the erudite, the genius, the unicorn, for bandying insults, personal attacks, and invectives.
Toby's response was that his education was far better than any Preppy USA Ivy League education and he just didn't put any faith in studies from “those type” of institutions.
His education from a no named school in a backward province of a 3rd world country was infinitely more superior than Princeton so he knew he was right.
I wholeheartedly agreed that he was the smartest monkey in the zoo and his mother confirmed it for me.
Yes there are lots of such programs. You enter 2 or 3 words and they come out with something like this:
“I've seen a number of naive and sanctimonious things over the years, but Truth_Telling_Troll's insults really take the cake. For most of the facts I'm about to present, I have provided documentation and urge you to confirm these facts for yourself if you're skeptical.
Truth_Telling_Troll is like a magician who produces a dove in one hand while the other hand is busy trying to prop up corrupt despots around the world. How can we expect to oust him and his raving eulogists from anywhere we find them institutionalizing sex discrimination by requiring different standards of protection and behavior for men and women if we walk right into his trap? We can't, and that's why Truth_Telling_Troll's mind games are not an abstract problem. They have very concrete, immediate, and unpleasant consequences. For instance, several things Truth_Telling_Troll has said have brought me to the boiling point.
The statement of his that made the strongest impression on me, however, was something to the effect of how ”metanarratives“ are the root of tyranny, lawlessness, overpopulation, racial hatred, world hunger, disease, and rank stupidity.
The bottom line is that I have put this post before you, without any gain to myself, because I care.”
Sound familiar???
if were that i dread to think what Argentina is lol
“You forgot Bermuda”
Bermuda is a British Overseas Territory that has self-government
and it has the Union Flag on its Bermudan flag.
The Bermudan 'Flag of Convenience' is flown by many of the largest ships in the world.
It is the main target of the Argentinian protest activity.
It is however nice to reflect on how sh!t it is there, so I feel much better about life in not-Argentina.
I have a thought. Let's use some 'Argie' logic.
“Hawaii has the union flag as part of its flag. Well then, I saw an episode of Magnum PI, so therefore the islands of Hawaii must be British! 'cos of the flag and the fact I saw that TV programme, an' all.
Get out you Yankee pirates. ARGGGGGGG AHHHHHHHHHHHHH etc... Hawaii is British, the people of Hawaii have no self-determination and are held hostage by the US military.
AHHHHHH. PIRATE INVADERS AAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!”
How is my Argie logic holding up? ;0)
What reason and evidence would a purblind, sequacious claque like yourselves accept with any honesty and objectivity if proffered? None of you appear to possess the capability for independent, impassioned discourse.
It is utterly pointless to engage in rational colloquy with any of you. I tried way back at the beginning. I was treated with personal attacks, racial insults, cultural vilification, and even linguistic vilipending.
@29
“It is pointless to discuss objectively with the British. You always indicate an incessant need to evince the lambent glow of factual superiority in any exchange, you seem to always require to claim the “moral” citadel when arguing against any other nation”
That doesn't take very much to do when dealing dealing with Argentina, as they do not set the bar very high !!!!
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