MercoPress. South Atlantic News Agency
YPF will no longer contract British-flagged vessels for the transport of oil
A small group of protesters burned a British flag Monday outside the headquarters of Argentina's oil company in Buenos Aires, saying YPF SA should stop using tankers that fly flags from the British Commonwealth. Read full article
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Jun 12th, 2012 - 09:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0Liliana Fadul announces “I'm daft and I want the world to know it”
The Argenswine economy must be hitting Quebracho hard, a demonstration against the UK and all they could burn is the smallest flag in the whole of south america, i prefer my method a washable Argenswine flag right by my toilet.
Jun 12th, 2012 - 10:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0Have I missed something.
Jun 12th, 2012 - 10:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0Is Argentina now claiming Bermuda?
It'll be the Isle of Wight next.
Give it enough time and it'll be the world.
Jun 12th, 2012 - 11:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0So now Argentina is banning all British Commonwealth flagged vessels.
Jun 12th, 2012 - 11:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hmm, they couldn't win against the UK alone, what chance do they have against 53 other nations?
The RG government really are getting desperate now aren't they? More crap intended to distract the domestic audience.
I wonder what CFK and her cronies would do if all 54 nations stopped trading with Argentina and imposed economic sanctions against them?
I'm guessing they used said tanker because it delivered some benefit to the company, either lower cost or less risk. So now a company that is effectively a part of a bankrupt government is saying that it'll not use bermudan flagged vessels to transport the oil and gas that they cannot afford?
Jun 12th, 2012 - 11:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0When are they going to get back to focussing on how they're going to get $7 Billion US a year for the next 5 years?
They're just imbeciles.
Not even the right Union Flag
Jun 12th, 2012 - 11:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_Flag#Specification
If it really is the “British” Commonwealth (I don't think we have called ourselves that for a few years now), that will scupper the recent nonsence from the NZ ambassador as well as some of the more rabid posters on these forums (who are obviously still asleep) who claimed that Australia was waiting in the wings to support them.
Jun 12th, 2012 - 11:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0Big thanks to Fiji who made a statement which was construed by some to be helpful to Argentina
Yes - it would be nice to talk about co-operation and friendship etc but sovereignty is definitely off the agenda unless the Islanders wish it. Talking whilst “agreeing to disagree” takes real cojones
Frankly, we can achieve precisely nada talking to this bunch of clowns - judging by the news on MercoPress, it is all about the Falklands. Don't they have an economy to save?
I do love the picture of the masked thugs
Jun 12th, 2012 - 11:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0The sight of Argentina at its worse. going down that low and expecting to be taken seriously lmao
Jun 12th, 2012 - 12:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Beggars can't be choosers here. They don't have enough gas to get them through the winter, so worrying about who is transporting their oil and gas just shows the nonsenseland in which they live.
Jun 12th, 2012 - 12:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So now the governemnt is giving in to gangs of thugs! Well thats one way to run a country i suppose. The company is not even British it is from Bemuda which is an indepednet nation, the only reason the union flag is present is it is an ex commonwealth country. All the revenue for the company would of gobe into the tax coffers of the Behumuda governemnt not the UK. These people are so fing stupid they do not even understand the difference! So I guess they will also be banning all Austarlain shipping as well as the other countless countries which incoporate the union flag into their flags as proud reconition of their orginins and places in the commonwealth of nations.
Jun 12th, 2012 - 01:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why the masks?
Jun 12th, 2012 - 01:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is pretty hard to avoid The British Commonwealth carry trade. Let them try they're just a bunch of dumb monkeys throwing things against a wall to see if it sticks.
Jun 12th, 2012 - 01:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0CFK and her minions will flee the country or be in jail quicker than you think.
Non ex-empire countries can join the Commonwealth, like Rwanda did. I think.
Jun 12th, 2012 - 02:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0For shear comedy value, CFK should join the commonwealth and fight from within!
@13. They are too ashamed to show their faces because they don't believe in their cause, or they think the Taliban would make good partners in the fight against the West. Either way, they are pathetic, deluded individuals!
Jun 12th, 2012 - 02:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 023 countires in the world use the union flag in their flag.
Jun 12th, 2012 - 02:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Akrotiri
Anguilla
Ashmore and Cartier Islands
Australia
Bermuda
British Indian Ocean Territory
British Virgin Islands
Cayman Islands
Coral Sea Islands
Dhekelia
Falkland Islands
Fiji
Heard Island and McDonald Islands
Montserrat
New Zealand
Niue (with embellishments)
Pitcairn Islands
Saint Helena
South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands
Tokelau
Turks and Caicos Islands
Tuvalu
United Kingdom
Arnt some of these countires on the C24 commitie? Especially Fiji who we heard from the other day didnt we?
CFK: Thank you for your support but we wont support you.
#15 “CFK should join the commonwealth and fight from within!”
Jun 12th, 2012 - 02:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well the Commonwealth will need a new head post-Elizabeth II =)
It's a Swedish ship registered in Bermuda
Jun 12th, 2012 - 02:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@18
Jun 12th, 2012 - 03:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0hahahah you poor love sick deluded shit. The head of the commonwealth is always the reigning monarch of the UK. So unfortuantly for you it will be HRH Prince Charles and not CFK. But if you want try starting a UK petition with the Home Office I am sure it will recieve the support it deserves i.e. none.
The Argies have to be the most stupid race on earth. Let them carry on destroying their economy and banning Swedish ships. Deluded fools.
Jun 12th, 2012 - 03:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I fail to see what the big story here is.
Jun 12th, 2012 - 03:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There is no difference whatsoever between choosing a company based on pricing, based on trade preference, based on flag. In all cases, you are technically making a discriminatory act by selecting one over another.
This news article is akin to accusing someone here of racism against blondes because they prefer brunettes, and viceversa. If Argentina does not want its resources under ships carrying a Union Jack, their call.
BK i think you and CFK are in love, both fookin stupid and so far up your own arses you actually believe you are talking sense, away and hug a tree
Jun 12th, 2012 - 03:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@8 Steveu
Jun 12th, 2012 - 03:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It was called the British Commonwealth, up until they changed the name at the London Conference of 1949.
Can't help but chuckle. “We're banning all Commonwealth-flagged ships from transporting fuel except for the ones that are importing the gas we need to stop half of TdF from freezing this winter”.
@22 the difference is selecting a company based on price is legal. Selcting a company based on nationality is racism by its very definition. The probelm is this is a complete over reaction by YPF (Sorry Argentine government) which will in no way hurt the intrests of the UK just those who have flags with the Union flag incoporated i.e. this ship was Swedish registered in Burhmuda. What I have an issue with is the government giving in to the demands of a minority group of masked thugs.
Jun 12th, 2012 - 03:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@25
Jun 12th, 2012 - 04:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you believe only in Argentina do governments cave in to the petitions and solicitations of unelected covens and cabals, which often advocate their own shady interests and objectives, I'm afraid you are in for a rude awakening on similar stories in your own country, and admittedly very shortly.
'The Commonwealth of Nations':
Jun 12th, 2012 - 04:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0'The Commonwealth'
created as 'The British Commonwealth' at the end of Empire
Members:
Antigua and Barbuda,
Australia,
Bahamas,
Bangladesh,
Barbados,
Belize,
Botswana,
Brunei,
Cameroon,
Canada,
Cyprus,
Dominica,
Gambia,
Ghana,
Grenada,
Guyana,
India,
Jamaica,
Kenya,
Kiribati,
Lesotho,
Malawi,
Malaysia,
Maldives,
Malta,
Mauritius,
Mozambique,
Namibia,
Nauru,
New Zealand,
Nigeria,
Pakistan,
Papua New Guinea,
Rwanda,
Saint Kitts and Nevis,
Saint Lucia,
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines,
Samoa,
Seychelles,
Sierra Leone,
Singapore,
Solomon Islands,
South Africa,
Sri Lanka,
Swaziland,
Tanzania,
Tonga,
Trinidad and Tobago,
Tuvalu,
Uganda,
United Kingdom (England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland)
Vanuatu,
Zambia
Suspended member: ...................... Fiji
Former members: ..........................Ireland, Zimbabwe
All these nations are now banned by Argentina .... though I reckon Fiji and Zimbabwe will be allowed to transport Argentina's fuels.
I think we should remember that it is just “a small group of protesters burned a British flag Monday outside the headquarters of Argentina's oil company in Buenos Aires, saying YPF SA should stop using tankers that fly flags from the British Commonwealth”.
No sensible nation would allow itself to be 'led by the nose' by a small group of protesters, would they?
There are 6 consignments of LNG being supplied by BP to replace the Repsol contract,(at a substantial price hike). I wonder if they will let the ships dock or freeze their bollocks off ?
Jun 12th, 2012 - 04:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Or will there be selective amnesia?
p.s I hope BP got dollars up front. Wouldn't trust them.
@26
Jun 12th, 2012 - 04:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Do please enlighted me when the UK government has caved in and changed national policy to suit a small group of mask wearing, rock hurling thugs? Actualy evidence please not just it is going to happen.
you forgot bermuda
Jun 12th, 2012 - 04:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@29
Jun 12th, 2012 - 04:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is pointless to discuss objectively with the British. You always indicate an incessant need to evince the lambent glow of factual superiority in any exchange, you seem to always require to claim the “moral” citadel when arguing against any other nation (Britain being the moral, hallowed side of course, the opponent being either libertine, depraved, corrupt, decadent, or any combination of those descriptors), and a propensity to descend to bickering by disparaging the cultural quiddities, econonic state, or political ongoings if the debate is not proceeding to your advantage.
So it would be a waste of time to tel you that your country was led to a war (Iraq), by exactly such a nefarious coterie. You need to ask yourself what immediate threat was that country to you, what exigency in geopolitical Risk did that country pose to you, how would that conflict protect the people of your country, or absent any of those (to dig for more reprobate justification), what economic benefit would such a conflict and its aftermath provide your country.
I know for a fact the answer to all of those is: none, none, it would not, and none.
Yet there you are, hundreds of billions of currency later, and hundreds of dead later. But believe yourself and nation to be immune to the insidious effects of unelected interests.
@29 There are only a few of them apparently. So the needs of the ~10 thugs outweigh the needs of the many (heating).
Jun 12th, 2012 - 04:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I suspect Maximo and his $80 million USD leg amputation is somewhere behind all of this, in his warm hospital
31. Toby, I see that Ushuaia is out of nat gass too. I see a pattern developing here. Do you think BA will let the provinces freeze to keep the majority of the people warm? I also heard they're snowed in and the Federal gov't doesn't care, no planes, no cars surely means no food or medicine coming in either. Well who cares it so far away no one will realize citizens are freezing and starving to death.
Jun 12th, 2012 - 04:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@33
Jun 12th, 2012 - 04:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Exhibit A.
“and a propensity to descend to bickering by disparaging the cultural quiddities, econonic state, or political ongoings if the debate is not proceeding to your advantage.”
Case: rested.
@31 TTT
Jun 12th, 2012 - 04:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is also a waste of time reading your posts.
@35
Jun 12th, 2012 - 04:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Exhibit B.
Anglos as so predictable.
the opponent being either libertine, depraved, corrupt, decadent, or any combination of those descriptors. Sums up Rgenweener then
Jun 12th, 2012 - 04:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 036. Yet you don't answer, San Juan out of gas last week end now Ushuaia hmmm.....Is this a call for I told you so?
Jun 12th, 2012 - 04:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I 'm waiting for a 3 week cold snap in BA...then the chaos will really begin!
hahaha
So, to conclude, within four minutes of averring that the British (anglos in general), have a proclivity to display a certain archetype of temperamental traits (particularly when they take umbrage), no less than three anglo contributors irrefutably and univocally corroborate my assertions.
Jun 12th, 2012 - 05:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Attack the messenger, engage in ad hominems, impugn the messenger's character, slander or traduce their reputation, belittle their intelligence, vilipend their nationality.
One cannot engage in colloquy with brutes.
@31 so your answer is that because you cannot produce any evidence that arguing with the British is pointless because we have evidence to back up our arguments. WOW I actually thought that was the basis of civilised debate.
Jun 12th, 2012 - 05:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I must of also missed the bit where masked thugs were outside the UK parliment protesting for the invasion of Iraq, someone refresh my opion but wasnt the only protests to do with not invading Iraq. Also seen as you know for A FACT once again please provide evidence. To refresh your memory evidence is items that you present which justify your argument which elevates it above the level of mere speculative opinion. Therefore I will not provide evidence to say that in 2005 77% of Iraq's stated that deposing Saddam Hussain was worth the consequences of the war, excpet the nationwide opion poll that is.
“YPF will no longer contract British-flagged vessels for the transport of oil”
Jun 12th, 2012 - 05:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well it's news isn't it? Did you not see this coming? oh Argentina, predictable again!! I think this is just a token gesture as they will be all living in caves again, without the money to contract ANY ship let alone build their own!!
the KFC comedy roadshow rolls on!!!
Toby, Can you whine a little more please? We haven't had enough.
Jun 12th, 2012 - 05:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0For all of the words you seem to know you can't seem to put them together to come up with a coherent message can you?
I heard they are making a motorcycle company buy wine if they want to import products. Do you know this is against the WTO treaty and a bunch of bilateral treaties you have already agreed to ? Or is honorable a an outdated Anglo concept and is adhering to contract....all falling apart now though....
@40 Argentinian evidence is oxymoron.
Jun 12th, 2012 - 05:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@41 They don't have any oil to transport, nor gas. That's why they're all freezing away with nothing to burn but government propaganda books on how time didn't exist before 1833, when Argentina ruled everything.
Discussing who is or isn't transporting their not-gas and not-oil is kind of futile.
@38
Jun 12th, 2012 - 05:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't reply to topics unrelated to the article at hand, the use of British flag ships.
@40
Your reply was desultory, and as result difusse and lacks incisiveness.
“Therefore I will not provide evidence to say that in 2005 77% of Iraq's stated that deposing Saddam Hussain was worth the consequences of the war, excpet the nationwide opion poll that is.”
This for example is a bit rambled. You claim some poll had 77% support for deposing Saddam (which as we all know, is from the get-go a kneaded survey... of course if you ask people after the fact, 2005, if a dictator removed was “worth it”, you may get enthusiastic opinions. A correct survey would be one taken before the war... how about providing one of those).
And then you claim it was not a national poll.
All in all, you will need to redact slightly better and supply me with trenchant before-the-war evidence that people in your country were amenable to conflict.
TTT your a laugh bless you. Remind me who was the aggressor in 82?
Jun 12th, 2012 - 05:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0TTT,
Jun 12th, 2012 - 05:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You say: @38
I don't reply to topics unrelated to the article at hand, the use of British flag ships.
Then go on about Sadaam Hussein and Iraq. WTF has that to do with British flag ships?
@45
Jun 12th, 2012 - 05:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0More peripheral sideshows huh? Is the topic here the Falklands War?
Do you realize you are all looking ridiculous by the moment?
Stick to the topic and answer my original question, what is the big problem with hiring French, German, Chinese tankers instead or British.
@44 So Tobias, you're trying to discuss Iraq so you don't have to talk about the topic? Ignoring the lack of oil and gas your country has to keep people warm? Ignoring the fact Maximo just blew a huge amount of money on a military operation to get him to hospital, like he's somehow more special than other Argentinians who are all freezing to death?
Jun 12th, 2012 - 05:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don't want to talk about important things like Killicof's soon to be ruined YPF not using Commonwealth flagged ships to transport oil they cannot pay for?
I'm intrigued, why trying to distract folks?
@46
Jun 12th, 2012 - 05:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Because it is clearly my counter-example to show EngineerAbroad that his country is quite easily manipulated by unelected, non-majority interests. It is not the topic per say, but it ties to the issue of Argentina making decisions based on the demands of “thugs”, which was Engineer's accusation. The only way you can discuss the matter is by showing a counter example.
That is a far cry from bringing up cold weather or a 30 year old war. Those have nothing to do with the topic AND do not follow and logical debate. They are utterly supervened arguments.
Toby, So now we will stick on topic.
Jun 12th, 2012 - 05:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Is CFK going to cancel the 6 LNG shipments scheduled through BP? I am sure they'll be using a commonwealth flagged vessel or will she let THE PEOPLE freeze and starve like she is doing in Ushuaia?
@44 I state it was a national poll. 'excpet the nationwide opion poll that is'.
Jun 12th, 2012 - 05:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The statement was sarcastic but I appologise if your lack of english prevented you from seeing the sarcasim. I believe that 95% of those posting on here understanding the statement.
'which as we all know, is from the get-go a kneaded survey'.. do we all know or do you think you know? Without evidence it is only your opinion. Also to counter your point about the statement. You argue is that the invasion of Iraw was an evil deed and yet in 2005 77% of Iraq's said that )even if the method was wrong) they feel their country is a better place because of it.
@50 Given that she spent $80 million USD flying Maximo to hospital when the country is crying out for oil, then she'll need the extra oil and gas to make some cream buns for when he recovers.
Jun 12th, 2012 - 05:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@49 Why are you trying to distract people from the topic which is how your country's economic policies are dictated by masked thugs?
TTT.
Jun 12th, 2012 - 05:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It was a Swedish ship registered in Bermuda not a British ship.
Quebracho are just a radical gang of thugs.
Your Comment@49
Jun 12th, 2012 - 05:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Influenced by unelected non-majority. Nope wrong Im afriad the UK house of commons (an elected house of the British Government) carried out a series of 2 house wide votes on 18 March 2003 and voted in favour of the invasion. Prior to this there had also been parliment debates on the subject.
TTT you are a comedian, you should join up with russell brand
Jun 12th, 2012 - 05:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If a gang of approx 10 Quebracho say they want Maximo statues everywhere, does it happen?
Jun 12th, 2012 - 05:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This is a very silly way to run your country.
so they have run out of argument, and thus change the subject,
Jun 12th, 2012 - 05:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@48
Jun 12th, 2012 - 05:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What “folks: are we reffering to exactly? Think about it Greek.
None of you are argies; therefore, to discuss our ”dirty laundry“ with you is irrelevant, a waste of time, and perhaps even unpatriotic. You have no say in any event.
Despite the gallant yet artless efforts by the British here to present a unified front on this website, I know there exist a litany of problems in your country, and of a nature more exigent and necessitious than perhaps at any time in your lifetime. You are back in recession. Your bonds are at risk of being debased. Your doctors are going on strike for the first time in 4 decades. You face massive cuts on all fronts.
I say these things neither to bruit about some perverted sense of economic relativism vis-à-vis Argentina vs the United Kindgom, nor to mollify any Schadenfreude. I state those facts to butress my argument that it would be quite likely that in domestic policies, all of you Brits may espouse disparate and conflictive views, that if discussed here would lead to ebulliently passionate and agonistic debate. Yet here, you all strive to exhibit an unambigous and united front.
So why do you all ask the argies to squabble with each other here, particularly when we are assailed by foreigners? It makes no sense, and it makes no sense to begin with because all of you foreigners do the exact same thing.
I have other outlets to protest internal politics. This outlet is not one of them.
@50
You overstate significantly the predominance of ”commonwealth flagged” shipping.
@51
I am not discussing the morality of the Iraq war, that is a different matter. I am asking you simply: Was there overwhelming support to invade Iraq in early 2003 in the UK, yes or no. If not, then you were lead to war by a minority cabal, for purposes you yet as a nation cannot or simply refuse to unconver.
Imagine if it was the rg rag they were burning in london! Every troll in the pay of maximo would be crying and hysterical. I think bloggers have exercised restraint in not rising to the bait of some war loser burning our flag with 10 masked government thugs looking on, hope he freezes in his ba hovel this winter. Game over for rgs with no fuel, no economy and giggle, no falklands.. Loooosers
Jun 12th, 2012 - 06:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@54
Jun 12th, 2012 - 06:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ah, yes, the elected representatives completely ignoring the will of the people. Every time the argie congress passes anything even remotely deemed to be “against” what the public opinion might be, we are called a dictatorship here.
This is exactly why you cannot argue with the British. They categorize what is the exact same scenario (a legislative vote against majority opinion) as a dictatorship in one country (any country not called the UK), and as a fine example of principled independence from public sentiment when it happens in their own country.
This is why I can't take it seriously.
@58 First off as an Argentine Tax payer, yes I am entitled to my opinion and the right to argue how a government which uses my tax money spends it.
Jun 12th, 2012 - 06:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Secondly you now say minority before you stated unelected minority so thank you for at least changing that. However the intial point was wether masked gands of thugs controlled govenment policy I do not beleive your Iraq war comment demonstartes that the UK government is influenced by masked gangs of thugs, rich buisness men probably but not violent thugs.
Britan does have its problems but so does Argentina bigger problems, the Argetnine universites are predicting a recession in Argentina within 6 months and entering one with 25% (unoffical) inflation will make it much harder to control as both hyper inflation and stagflation will be a real problem. My point all along on these boards is that CFKs government is out of control and the current position of spend spend spend is akin to driving down a motorway at 150 mph in dense fog whilst signs flash out warning and still deciding to put the pedal to the metal. The whole reason the flaklands dispute exisit is as a smoke and mirrors excersie to distract Argentines from the real doemstic issues.
The fact that brits can disagree on domestic issues yet agree with each other when it comes to international issues should demonstarte to you that whilst we may not agree on the correct course for our country we are 100% sure that we will support the Falklands islands in their right to self determination as enshrined in the UN charter.
None of you are Argies; therefore, to discuss our ”dirty laundry“ with you is irrelevant, a waste of time
Jun 12th, 2012 - 06:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0[one should not have [dirty] laundry in public, it is un civilised . ect .
, I know there exist a litany of problems in your country
[unemployment , austerity measures , military reduced , NHS under pressure,
[ and your point is exactly ]]
I say these things neither to bruit about some perverted sense of economic relativism vis-à-vis Argentina vs the United Kingdom
[oh yes you do, ][you just throw shit to the wind, and see what comes back ]]
So why do you all ask the Argies to squabble with each other here,
[we don’t, but good verses evil, is always fun to watch, especially you lot ]]
In plain English=
YPF will no longer contract British-flagged vessels for the transport of oil
[and again, the point is ??]
[][ no one was hurt, in the making of this reply .]
Toby, you didn't answer my question, do you think CFK/YPF will cancel the LNG shipments if they are on a UK flagged ship? Will they let BA citizens freeze and starve like they are doing in Ushuaia?
Jun 12th, 2012 - 06:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I wonder which is more important to CFK, freezing people or British profits?
Hmmm I guess we will see...
@61
Jun 12th, 2012 - 06:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So why do you all expect argies to side with the UK, EU, USA in foreign matters? You all are mad if you expect us to. Especially when beset and harried by international malice.
@62
My point that in spite of all those internal differences, I don't expect you Brits to duke them out here.
Most uk flagged vessels now are flags of convieniece, uk actual merchant fleet pretty small. I for one couldnt give a poop what the stolen oil company do, makes no difference to uk economy so carry on. Imagine the asset striping going on in ypf, maximo busted his knee whilst carrying his looted cash to the bank. Can't wait for the whole rotten mess that is rg land to implode into economic meltdown, I for one will laugh my socks off, in rg styler as well jajajajaja
Jun 12th, 2012 - 06:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@31 Never mind, TiT, resorting to the thesaurus is ALWAYS the first refuge of the incompetent. Attempting to obscure the obvious with obfuscation.
Jun 12th, 2012 - 06:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You may think that your erudite (?) comments give you some ascendancy. In fact, they make you look like the court fool or jester. May I suggest that you subject some of your comments to semantic analysis. See how much sense they make.
But why not discuss your “dirty laundry”? You and your compatriots and supporters like to discuss a British Overseas Territory. That is an internal matter for Britain and the Falkland Islands. All, and I do mean ALL, the evidence shows that argieland has no valid claim to those Islands and even less to South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands. So why do you all want to discuss OUR internal affairs?
@63
Jun 12th, 2012 - 06:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you stopped inditing fibs like “Ushuaia is starving and freezing” I could take you slightly more seriously. I have just checked 5 papers and none substantiate your claim. They do state the salting trucks are operating normally, the roads have been reopened, and kids are back to school as a result.
And as you can see, there is power even when the daylight is only a few hours.
http://www.clarin.com/sociedad/viento-nieve-dan-tregua-Ushuaia_0_717528420.html
Speak seriously, I'll respond seriously.
@61
Jun 12th, 2012 - 06:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I never stated I wanted you to argee with our international policy nor will I ever, but im afriad as one of the permanent UN securoty council members our policy means more to the word that Argentinas. You have the right to develop what ever internatinal policy you like as long as it is not in breach of international law. Unfortunatly cancelling contracts because of a flag is racist by definition and is not ina cocrdance with both international contract law or the spirit of the UN charter.
By the way the majority of EU states were against intervencion in Iraq the mission was carrie dout by NATO.
@ 60
I am proud that my government does not always take the popular choice but the choice which leads to a more stable long term future i.e. a cut of public spending this is in complete comparison with the Peronist government inA rgentina which only ever makes rash popularist decisons in order to retain power, my argument is that Peronist government lie (as we have seen with the hisotry of the Falkland) in order to generate support, oh as well as cutting down on the rights of the press to publish any story negative to them ( as can be seen with the governments policy of fining any one who questions the governments offical inflation rate).
It is estimated that in the districts of the city, including the Escondido and El Obrero, snow topped the underground and brought great difficulties in providing water and gas to maintain the home heating. .
Jun 12th, 2012 - 06:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Lanacion google translation
Easy to connect the dots, no trucks no planes no food no medicine
I guess since CFKs jet is full of shoes it can't be used for water or garrafas
Let them eat cake..
67 nothing bad ever happens in rg land does it, you don't have to convince us I couldnt give a toss if you all freeze, the truth will out and yet again the trolls will move onto another thread. Food parcels , maximo we need gas!
Jun 12th, 2012 - 06:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@68
Jun 12th, 2012 - 06:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Then I would suggest not to live in a country you find no commonalities.
Return to the UK, which was so wonderfully served by invading Iraq.
@70
Bad things happen, you simply engage in childish subreption: I deny people are starving in Ushuaia (a transparent lie), you take that and construe it as me being deluded about absolutely everything else, and from that misinterpretation arriving at your own conflated conclusions. Subreption 101.
What?? Supercalifragilisticexpelidocious see I can do it too!!
Jun 12th, 2012 - 06:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are such a fool and and you look like an idiot when you re proven wrong and you can't admit it.
Such an inferiority complex you need to see a shrink.
Did they let the 300 of the largest factories in BA go back to work yet? Did they turn the gas back on? I haven't heard. BTW are those laid off workers included in the INDEC unemployment figures?
The Falklands have the right of self determination
Jun 12th, 2012 - 06:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0and no true democracy would very mess with that
TTT when the power goes off in RGenweener how much battery power has your computer?.......just wondering
Jun 12th, 2012 - 07:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Please join this page honouring all those who helped liberate the Falkland Islands 30 years ago and keeping the memory alive to help keep the Falklands free for future generations. Click the LIKE button on the page to subscribe to the news feeds. Bookmark the page.
Jun 12th, 2012 - 07:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0https://www.facebook.com/HonourRestored
Argentina is WTO member and so WTO should be challenging Argentina on any practices that seek to restrict trade, whether as a trade regulation or practice (ie, Repsol), or using a political tool such as boycotts (British-flagged vessels).
Jun 12th, 2012 - 07:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Similarly, if Argentine wants to re-start their stalled negotiations with the EU toward a free trade agreement, the foundation basis of the EU's negotiations with Argentina should be absolute respect for current EU members' Overseas Territories, whether of Britain, Denmark, France, Netherlands or Spain.
I wonder what happens when every electricity company in BA (and Province) goes bankrupt at the same time?
Jun 12th, 2012 - 08:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Know what the sad part is? I was watching the english coverage of the Eurocup, and the commentator said two specific highly educated lines:
Jun 12th, 2012 - 08:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“The crowd is ornery at the call”.
“What will the denouement be?”
I am sure, given what I witness here, I am the only one who understood what he meant, out of millions.
TTT you been drinking that post makes no sense at all, and I thought you never post things that have nothing to do with the subject matter. You are probably one in millions, no one else could speak as much guff as you do
Jun 12th, 2012 - 09:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0why was he watching the england match .
Jun 12th, 2012 - 09:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Toby is the smartest monkey in the zoo he told me so himself so it must be true.
Jun 12th, 2012 - 09:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Delusional AND Narcissistic is such a winning combination...I bet you get a lot of dates!!
hahaha
no dates
Jun 12th, 2012 - 09:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0plenty nuts lol
Utter dearth of noetic aptitudes.
Jun 12th, 2012 - 09:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Toby, Did your mom tell you that you were smart and pretty?
Jun 12th, 2012 - 09:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your inverecund and prurient preoccupations with distaff considerations redound upon your already ignominious reputation. I am stultified by your arrant hebetude.
Jun 12th, 2012 - 10:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@47 'Stick to the topic and answer my original question, what is the big problem with hiring French, German, Chinese tankers '
Jun 12th, 2012 - 10:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The transportation of gas by sea is a highly technical business.... most of the ships engaged in it are on long term charter.... not many are available on the spot market.
The French, Germans and Chinese aren't big players in the business and the ships they have are all on long term charter... see above. Most ships are built for and spend their lives in a dedicated trade.
and...
Them as are available want payment in dollars...
... and its cold and dark in Ushuaia just now ....
Masked thugs burning flags in the street, you see this in Pakistan, its a very third world activity. Aren't they ashamed about how this appears abroad?
Jun 12th, 2012 - 10:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If the impending power shortages cause internet problems do the La Campora internet team still get paid?
Jun 12th, 2012 - 10:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@86
Jun 12th, 2012 - 10:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Then I would say Argentina removing any business ties with the UK may hurt short term but a positive long term. All business UK interests leaving Argentina, not having contracts, or not being involved will eliminate any change of sabotage an economic extortion.
Is there a google translations service for pretentious nonsense into readable English? Can someone pass me a link? It's like talking to a 1st year attorney that thinks they know everything but understands nothing.
Jun 12th, 2012 - 10:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Toby, Does your boyfriend beat you often?
Anglos must have very warped morals.
Jun 12th, 2012 - 10:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0To them, I'm the idiot, I'm the fool, I'm the monkey, because I simply study hard and have a large vocabulary.
Yankeeboy is the erudite, the genius, the unicorn, for bandying insults, personal attacks, and invectives.
No TTY you come across as someone who thinks they are clever, uses big words but we can see through you study some more my friend on life and something we call CDs which means your very clever when it comes to talking but have no common sense at all and actually believe your own mutterings, I've no doubt u study hard you'd need to to come out with thHe guff you talk. Do some history lessons, go out and have a good time, chill but remember there is always someone cleverer than you
Jun 12th, 2012 - 10:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 092. I posted a Princeton study that confirmed when people use big words that most readers thought they were stupid.
Jun 12th, 2012 - 11:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Toby's response was that his education was far better than any Preppy USA Ivy League education and he just didn't put any faith in studies from “those type” of institutions.
His education from a no named school in a backward province of a 3rd world country was infinitely more superior than Princeton so he knew he was right.
I wholeheartedly agreed that he was the smartest monkey in the zoo and his mother confirmed it for me.
@90 / Yankeeboy
Jun 13th, 2012 - 01:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yes there are lots of such programs. You enter 2 or 3 words and they come out with something like this:
“I've seen a number of naive and sanctimonious things over the years, but Truth_Telling_Troll's insults really take the cake. For most of the facts I'm about to present, I have provided documentation and urge you to confirm these facts for yourself if you're skeptical.
Truth_Telling_Troll is like a magician who produces a dove in one hand while the other hand is busy trying to prop up corrupt despots around the world. How can we expect to oust him and his raving eulogists from anywhere we find them institutionalizing sex discrimination by requiring different standards of protection and behavior for men and women if we walk right into his trap? We can't, and that's why Truth_Telling_Troll's mind games are not an abstract problem. They have very concrete, immediate, and unpleasant consequences. For instance, several things Truth_Telling_Troll has said have brought me to the boiling point.
The statement of his that made the strongest impression on me, however, was something to the effect of how ”metanarratives“ are the root of tyranny, lawlessness, overpopulation, racial hatred, world hunger, disease, and rank stupidity.
The bottom line is that I have put this post before you, without any gain to myself, because I care.”
Sound familiar???
Isn't everyone paying too much attention to TTT? I love his posts because they remind me of Blackadder, but I no longer bother to peruse the contents. TTT, what thesaurus do you use? Seriously.
Jun 13th, 2012 - 02:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0T.T.T = T.I.T without the dots!
Jun 13th, 2012 - 04:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0@91 “Anglos must have very warped morals.”
Jun 13th, 2012 - 06:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0if were that i dread to think what Argentina is lol
TIT, Its sooooooo gay that you have to look up words in order to stand tall!
Jun 13th, 2012 - 07:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0#30 Slattzzz
Jun 13th, 2012 - 08:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0“You forgot Bermuda”
Bermuda is a British Overseas Territory that has self-government
and it has the Union Flag on its Bermudan flag.
The Bermudan 'Flag of Convenience' is flown by many of the largest ships in the world.
It is the main target of the Argentinian protest activity.
You all have forgotten about Hawaii which has the Union Flag in its flag (top left hand corner)
Jun 13th, 2012 - 10:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0YPY only made an exception this time! until the next time of course!
Jun 13th, 2012 - 10:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina's a morally vacuous sh!thole, ruled by utterly corrupt children-of-nazis. Nothing any Argies (boo) or Non-argies (hooray!) say is going to ever change that simple fact.
Jun 13th, 2012 - 11:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0It is however nice to reflect on how sh!t it is there, so I feel much better about life in not-Argentina.
@100 the only american state to still do so :)
Jun 13th, 2012 - 06:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@100 - Redrabs.
Jun 13th, 2012 - 07:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have a thought. Let's use some 'Argie' logic.
“Hawaii has the union flag as part of its flag. Well then, I saw an episode of Magnum PI, so therefore the islands of Hawaii must be British! 'cos of the flag and the fact I saw that TV programme, an' all.
Get out you Yankee pirates. ARGGGGGGG AHHHHHHHHHHHHH etc... Hawaii is British, the people of Hawaii have no self-determination and are held hostage by the US military.
AHHHHHH. PIRATE INVADERS AAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!”
How is my Argie logic holding up? ;0)
All the way back to #12 - So now the government is giving in to gangs of thugs! Wrong! The government itself is a gang of thugs.
Jun 13th, 2012 - 09:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@99 I know i was born there
Jun 13th, 2012 - 10:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0TTT has a very poetic tongue. He can spout some beautiful examples of the English language but cannot put it into a reasonable, sound, evidence based way. He says he has a good vocabulary. I think he has a good thesaurus.
Jun 14th, 2012 - 01:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0is he even of the gentlemen gender?
Jun 14th, 2012 - 03:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@107
Jun 15th, 2012 - 06:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What reason and evidence would a purblind, sequacious claque like yourselves accept with any honesty and objectivity if proffered? None of you appear to possess the capability for independent, impassioned discourse.
It is utterly pointless to engage in rational colloquy with any of you. I tried way back at the beginning. I was treated with personal attacks, racial insults, cultural vilification, and even linguistic vilipending.
31 Truth_Telling_Troll (#)
Jun 15th, 2012 - 07:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@29
“It is pointless to discuss objectively with the British. You always indicate an incessant need to evince the lambent glow of factual superiority in any exchange, you seem to always require to claim the “moral” citadel when arguing against any other nation”
That doesn't take very much to do when dealing dealing with Argentina, as they do not set the bar very high !!!!
Good for them, we can't ignore the gorilla in the room any longer.
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