Falklands at G20: brief exchange between Cameron and Cristina Fernandez
UK PM David Cameron has refused to accept a letter from Argentina's president about her country's claim to the Falklands Islands. PM Cameron approached President Cristina Fernandez before the first session of the G20 summit in Mexico, No 10 said.
The prime minister told Ms Fernandez she should “respect the views” of Islanders who are taking part in a referendum on the issue of political status.
The Falklands are marking 30 years since the end of the war with Argentina. Both leaders are at the G20 summit taking place in Los Cabos, Mexico.
PM Cameron had earlier said he would use the opportunity to tell President Cristina Fernandez that she should listen to the people of the Falklands when they say they want to remain British.
Downing Street confirmed the two leaders had met “in the margins” before the opening session got under way.
Cameron told Cristina Fernandez: “I am not proposing a full discussion now on the Falklands but I hope you have noted that they are holding a referendum and you should respect their views.
”We should believe in self determination and act as democrats here in the G20.“
Aides said PM Cameron gave a ”clear and calm message“ which he repeated three times as his words were interpreted into Spanish.
Ms Fernandez then tried to hand him a letter containing the forty UN resolutions on the Falklands/Malvinas, which requests both governments to negotiate a ”peaceful“ solution to the Falklands dispute, but Mr Cameron refused to accept it.
Argentine foreign minister Hector Timmerman confirmed it was PM Cameron who approached the Argentine president.
”The one that came forward trying to talk about an issue that wasn't on the agenda was Prime Minister David Cameron,“ he said.
Timerman said “Cameron refused to accept an envelope from Cristina Fernandez with the 40 UN resolutions calling for a resumption of sovereignty discussions on the Malvinas issue”.
However Timerman added that it was not the place or the moment. The moment to talk about Malvinas was last week at the UN, where the president attended but not the Primer Minister”.
Allegedly there were Argentine media ready to record the moment Cristina Fernandez handed the envelope with the resolution to PM Cameron.
Minister Timerman was later photographed with the envelope with the 40 resolutions.
Last week the Falklands marked 30 years since the end of the war with Argentina with a service at Liberation Monument. It followed a service at Port Stanley's cathedral to remember the UK's liberation of the UK territory from Argentine occupation on 14 June 1982.
On the same day at the UN Decolonization session which was attended by President Cristina Fernandez, the Falklands delegation tried to deliver a letter to the president, but was unable to reach her. The closest was Minister Timerman who simply said “send it to the embassy”.
Buenos Aires has sought to use the 30th anniversary of the war to revive its claim on the Falklands and other South Atlantic Islands.
Ahead of Tuesday's session, Mr Cameron said in a pre-recorded TV interview: ”The Falkland Islanders have decided to have a referendum. They are going to ask a very simple question of whether they want to continue with the status quo or whether they want to change.
“The message to Argentina is very clear - listen to what the people of the Falkland Islands want. We should all believe in this day and age in self-determination, not colonialism.”
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Well played Timmerman. Almost “British” in its calculation.
I found it amusing to note the Argentine PMs response was called “rambling”, she clearly hadnt got a clue how to act or what to say.
So it was just luck that Cristina had this letter that she wanted to hand over.
Somebody had hinted to her last week that putting things in a letter was a good way of communicating... who says you cant teach an old dog new tricks?
That's the magic of writing.
30-love.
Clearly the Argentine letter was prepared in advance with the aim of embarrassing the British. However the British PM Cameron got wind of this and turned the tables and it became the Argentine delegation and President that was left with egg on its face.
Personal attacks lead me to conclude there is nothing further to discuss. I'll search for intellectual colloquy elsewhere.
Oddly enough that's exactly what the Falklands people say about NBW and Argentina.
Lover's tiff :-)
Even when you refuse to accept them? How is that done then? Telepathy? Sit near it wearing magic underpants perhaps?
Argentine needs to talk to the Falklands PEOPLE because all Fernandez is doing is making any deal with the Falklands PEOPLE more difficult. chuck her out before she amends the RG constitution to sit another term and make matters even worse (for Argentina)
there was no victory,
she did not get her own way,
she did not rule the roost
and she did not hold his hands for a picture,
so the outcome is tham as before,
the british falklands, are british,
full stop.
twitter.com/SoySem
Where to begin?
1) Timerman insists that the G20 summit is an inappropriate place to discuss the Falklands, despite the fact that Kirchner had that nice little folder of non-binding UN resolutions. Given that He had that nice little photo op where he explained how Cameron refused to accept it, if Cameron had accepted it, Argentina would have trumpeted it as a major success.
2) Timerman highlights how wonderful it was that Kirchner attended a ceremony designed to be attended by lower level diplomats, whilst criticising Cameron for having better things to do, such as celebrating Liberation day and the end of hostilities in 1982 (Unlike Argentina who celebrated the COMMENCEMENT of hostilities).
3) The letter itself. It is inappropriate that Britain refuses to accept a pointless list reminding them of the non-binding UN resolutions, but perfectly appropriate to refuse to accept the Falkland Islanders letter.
4) Timerman criticises Cameron for bringing up the Falklands Islands 'off the agenda', despite the fact that Argentina was clearly prepared to do so, and probably hoping to beat Britain to it. And while the 'ideal' place to discuss the Falklands may have been at the C24;
a] The Argentine delegation snubbed the Falkland Island representatives, refusing to accept their letter, and probably not even paying the attention and respect the Island representatives deserved.
b] Argentina bangs on about their claim everywhere they go, and to whoever they think is listening. It's perfectly fine for them to bring it up wherever and whenever they please, but unacceptable for Britain to do the same.
so we presume you know who they are .
UK hypocrisy seems to know no bounds.
1 - It has expelled the Chagossian and Irish natives from their ancestral lands while demanding that the rights of an implanted population in the FI be protected.
2 - I think the above is pretty damning by itself.
I will admit to not knowing much about the Chagos Islands, so I won't make comment on that issue.
Having said that, it's in the past. How about we bring up other issues, like Australian Aborigines, Native American Indians, the genocide of the native populations of South America to name a few.
History mate is filled with 'dick' moves made for one reason or another. The one thing they all have in common is that they are in the past. Nothing can be done about them, no matter how regrettable they are.
What can be done is to safeguard the future of the Falkland Islanders in the face of an aggressive 'would like to be colonialist' Argentina, in the here and now.
How can anyone discuss anything with a rambling, bi-polar nutcase like CFKC?
It wasn't done by Argentines; just as no Argentines were responsible for invading the Falklands in 82... in any case, history stars in 1833 as you should well know, thus there was no genocide of indigenous south american peoples by antecedents of Argentine citizens. it was those pesky Europeans, to whom they have no genetic relationship whatsoever.
Argentine hypocrisy seems to know no bounds.
1-It expelled the native indians in Argentina from their ancestral lands using mass genocide, implanting a foreign Spanish population in the Argentine. It then calls the population of the Falkland Islands implanted when it knows that the said population was not made up entirely of British people and in fact the majority of the civilian population on the Falklands allowed to stay after January 1833 (accepting British authority) was not of British origin, it was multi-national, (ie 2 British settlers out of 20, =10%).
2- I think the above is pretty damning by itself.
“The past is the past, argies”
Next sentence:
“Argentine hypocrisy knows no bounds, having expelled the indigenous South Americans and colonised their lands...”
Cookoo, cookoo, cookoo!
Obvious Argentine troll is obvious.
Just to point out, to date it's been Britain and the Falkland Islands that have been civilized. Argentina has whinged, moaned and banged on about this wherever, whenever and to whoever they can.
Um, let's ask the Irish, the Chagossians and the Iraqis to find out how they feel about that.
There is no such thing as an “indigenous argentine” (its a contradiction in terms) - fcol go read up on what “colonisation” is.
So, speaking of multiple nicks...
Xect, will you ask GreekYoghurt to limit himself to one nickname as well?
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2049138/Richard-Finlayson-21-younger-sister-Kirsty-18-caught-having-sex.html
You just contracted two different posters to create a point that didn't therefore have any merit... do you write for MBW by any chance?
PS: I'm not British either - numpti.
Oi, Forgetit87: go read here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indigenous_peoples_of_the_Americas#Argentina
Excuse you, let me disabuse your mind: Brits here are adamant about how Argentina should forget about the past.
Usually, within 90 seconds of writing this, they bring up the Argentine case vis-à-vis the natives.
Normally, we would call such pixilated contradiction crazy.
“Um, let's ask the Irish, the Chagossians and the Iraqis to find out how they feel about that.”
Yes, let's ask the Irish shall we. Who shall we ask first, the innocent civilians who lived in fear of a lunatic fringe of extremists who wished to impose their will on the majority in Ulster who wished to remain British (as evidenced by two formal referendums)... or those said same lunatic terrorists who planted bombs in shopping precincts, hotels, etc...
Clearly you have no special knowledge of 'the troubles', beyond you seiving anglophobia and outright racism. #facepalm
Dude, you're a coloniser, just learn to live with the truth.
“like the racial-purity obessed Brits who settled in the US, Australia and Canada. ”
You mean the racial-purity obsessed Germans who settled in Argentina sometime in the 1940s dont you?
I suspect even TTT is shuddering at his brotherly association with you after that comment.
Jun 20th, 2012 - 12:37
You might like to ask the Mapuches in Río Negro and Neuquén about whether they were ethnically cleansed or no.
You can't ask the Puelches or Tehuelches or the Ona because we killed them all off.
He try to attacked her like an English bulldog surprising his prey.
The aggressor ended up getting a scratch eye and run crying for help.
Was the encounter filmed on a handheld camera by one of Mrs Kirchner’s aides?
You better believe it :-)
Get over yourself mate. I'm not Xect or GreekYoghurt as you insinuated.
i wonder what I would find. mmmmmm.....
news.sky.com/home/world-news/article/15835051
www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24763625/ns/world_news-americas/t/argentine-incest-dad-kept-girl-sex-prisoner/
www.argentinaindependent.com/tag/incest/
(a 30 second search, anyone can do it)
little tip dont throw stones if you live in a greenhouse.
And no doubt will be suitably edited and miss-translated to suit Argentine needs, just as they deliberatley miss-translated Ban Ki- Moons comments.
“I don't need anyone to stand up for me, thank you very much. I'm my own Coloniser with a blind spot for embarrassing historical fact and with only one drum”
“The Ulster population was an implanted people who established in the area by expelling Irish Catholics. Violence, in this context, isn't unprovoked, thus it can't be considered lunatic or unreasonable.”
The modern day Ulster population represents a admixture of ethnic Irish and medieval English immigrants (incidentally, those English immigrants arrived long before you nation was a even a faint dream). Whilst the original intentions (demographic shifts, control of Ireland, etc...) of these English immigrants were colonialist for sure, it is pure falacy to proclaim all protestant Irish (in Ulster or Eire) an implanted population. They are undoubtably the decendents of both ethnic Irish and medieval English immigrants (and other groups no doubt) who have thouroughly assymilated to form a protestant Irish culture. For someone who above proclaimed that Argentines ARE the decentents of the aboriginal patagonian natives, your attempts to portray the Irish protestants as tea sipping English interloapers is a little hypocritical, no?
Also, I'd like to see your evidence that medieval English colonialism in Ireland entailed 'turfing out' the indigenous population. As far as I'm aware, the whole point of said colonialism was to assert control of the land AND the population. I confess, I am not intimately aquainted with the subject of late medieval Anglo-Irish relations (yet), but given your attrocious attitude and utter hypocrisy, I'm willing to take a punt and say that you're spouting nought but hyperbole.
“The Ulster Protestants deserved what they got.”
You, Sir, area complete and utter cucking funt.
“You, Sir, area complete and utter cucking funt.”
It has to be said that his comment is possible the most racist, xenophobic and religiously intolerant comments I've read on this website
When followed up by his ”I'm getting a kick from all this. :)” it pretty much says all that any civilised person needs to know about that posters' character.
Is this the voice of the typical Argentine I wonder?
Why can't you read? That would explain a lot. Is your username an alusion to the fact that you forget everything after 87 second?
I'm sure plenty of people, like myself, will be grateful for a well formed and constructive argument. 'Tis a real shame the same can't be said for most, if any of your posts, but what can you expect for someone who blatantly states that victims of terrorism deserved it.
i have a claim too, my ancestors left the sea, to evolve into land dwellers, before being forced to take to the trees, until we stood upright and became british, does that mean I own the sea?? im not feeling optimistic.
If Argentina thinks it can claim The Falklands then why cant China claim Argentina as the indigenous natives were actually from asia 20000 years before, its all a bloody joke.
Argentina of all countries should realize that EVERY country has history, most of it dark, wake up Argentina its the 21st century.
:-)
“Grow up, guys. Playing the anti-war mob of bleedingheart grannies won't convince anyone...”
Anyone who equates a healthy disdain for those wishing terror onto innocent civilians, with 'bleeding heart grannies' ought to think long and hard about whether or not they should get out of bed in the morning (hint: you probably shouldn't have).
“...people the world over know you all too well.”
Interesting that you should say that. As much as Britain's colonial PAST has created bad blood, Britain does have relatively good relations with the vast majority of her former colonial possessions. Ever heard of the Commonwealth of Nations? It's members (54 nation states last time I counted) exchange high commissioners (rather than ambassadors) because commonwealth nations, in a gesture of friendship, do not regard one another as foreign (which is also why the full title of the UK foreign office is the foreign and commonwealth office).
I doubt very much that Argentina has such good relations with so many nations.
Yeah, and one of the main arguments against the UN is that it can't stop great powers to concoct lies to justify unprovoked aggression. Um, who is it that did this the last time around? Latam banana republics or the Great Britain? And just to let it clear, Conor, I do think you pretty much deserved it, and identifying yourself as an Ulster isn't going to make me go all soft. Colonist populations, whether they're an armed population or not, they partake in national aggression. They're fair game. :)
I think the phrase “hit the nail on the head” best suits your comment.
Oh shut up. Go ask the Iraqis if British-spilled blood is a thing of the past.
Oh and as for the UN I do agree with you, the system is whored over by every country on earth one minute we all say that we obey the resolutions and then the next we ignore them, everyone does it.
“It is not every country in the world that is a major violator of international law, and to cause such extensive damage to innocent populations as was seen in the Iraq War. It's mainy international powers along with their pet allies. Other nations can only shake heads in disbelief at the hypocrisy of self-entitled guardians of international order.”
”Colonist populations, whether they're an armed population or not, they partake in national aggression. They're fair game. :)”
If the term 'colonist population' applies to the protestants of Ulster, then by definition it also applies to the catholics of Argentina. Remember Forgetit87, the plantations began before large scale Spanish colonisation of South America. I suppose then you'll gleefully accept a campaign of terror aimed at forcing all you evil, colonial Europeans from Argentine soil.
Geesh, you do have a blind spot for your own hypocrisy don't you. I suppose you'll be back with a not so witty retort, declaring that Argentines are a special case. That unique in all the world, the Irish protestant population can never be absolved of the crimes (immigration? A crime?) of their ancestors, and that admixing of immigrant and 'native' populations only occures in Latin American countries.
< sarcastic-rant > I suppose we nasty Vickings, Angles and Normans should up sticks and make a bee-line for France immediately. You know, to make way for the 'native' Celts that 'we' (or rather our distant ancestors) herded into Wales and Scotland. Oh wait, that's right, the Celt weren't the original population of Great Britain either. Off to France with them too I guess!
Look! A completely uninhabited island North of France, complete with cities and infrastructure and only recently abandoned. I wonder who'll lay claim to it. There are an awful lot of refugees in Northern France of late; maybe they'd like to settle their?~ < /sarcastic-rant>
I wonder whether what's his face has had the stamina to read all the way down this oh so looooong post. ;-)
Oh and 'forget' what do you mean “colonialist populations”? The whole world is colonised we all came from Africa originally and we expanded out. “national aggression”? Prots and Caths have been squabbling with each other all around the world for centuries so 50 years of Northern Irish troubles and any one living here is an armed aggressor?
By the way, I've heard that Mr. Assange, that hero of free speech and accountability for great powers, is asking asylum at the embassy of a “Latam banana republic”, because he feels he will otherwise be deported by the Great Britain to face a bogus trial in Sweden. If Britain is such a civilized country, why does it fear that its crimes and that of its partners will be exposed by whistleblowers? Is it really correct to say that British colonialism is a thing of the past?
It is a thing of the past “Forget” but without it and colonialism from the rest of Europe you wouldn't exist.
Heres what I said: “ I don't have any sympathy for Iraq's after all the were “fair game.” Thats what I could have said but I along with the majority of my fellow Brits were against the war right from the start,”
“Oh shut up. Go ask the Iraqis if British-spilled blood is a thing of the past.”
Of course, pointing out a grossly unpopular war (trust me, war in Iraq did not enjoy popular support in Britain) means that you win the internet. Congratulations!
It's also worth pointing out (my own opposition to the war not withstanding) that there are a great many Iraqis who are glad of Saddam's demise (not least the Kurds).
Christ knows what Argentina would do if she had the millitary might of the UK.
Amen
““British imperialism has no permanent principles, only permanent interests”
Amen”
...and Argentine imperialism has nothing but set backs and failures. ;-)
Seriously, all you chaps have is an endless list of not particularly witty straw men and mindless catchphrases that would make a WB cartoon character proud. Meeb! Meeb!
Well as I said to him without British and other european imperialism he wouldn't exist, maybe the empire was a bad thing after all!!
I understand your point about rape but that is a little to simplistic as a comparison, the point is without imperialism, not one life but around 40 million lives in modern Argentine wouldn't be here to day, your country its culture language, politics etc, the very fabric of your life simply wouldn't be here today, you can hate you mother spain all you want but without her and her “evil imperialism” you wouldn't exist.
I'm pretty sure over 40 million people in mankind's history have been born from forceful sexual contacts. Can we all now celebrate rape, then?
“The message to Argentina is very clear - listen to what the people of the Falkland Islands want. We should all believe in this day and age in self-determination, not colonialism
Sure david,you are a PRICK..so how is the little bussiness with the MAlvinas oil SCAM???Are you getting a lot of taxes writte off from your cronies??AHAAHAH
Forget I would also like to have an apology from you as regards your comments on Northern Ireland. I usually laugh at death as it is rather funny but your comments concern me. Small defenceless children are not “fair game” when there arms and legs are blown off by corrupt idiotic misinformed IRA/UVF terrorists.
It is easy to see why the whole world laughs at Argentina and their ridiculous attempts to divert attention away from the impending Argentine bankruptcy an default Mk IV.
Yes, Thank you Britain for invading our land in 1806/1807/1833/1845.
Thank you Britain for supporting our criminal dictators and selling weapons to them.
Thank you Britan for stealing our natural resources.
Thank you Britain!
I'm confused. When did Britain sell weapons to Nestor and Christina?
Also, stealing natural resources from criminal theives sounds like poetic justice.
The best thing that could now happen is for the mad bitch president and her entourage to mysteriously crash into the Atlantic on their return to Argentina. Monuments would be made of her like Evita. Otherwise she's going to be hanged for her crimes...
Come on Argies, force us to hand the FI over to you. I would love to see you try ;-)
Cont. from 97
96 arealist “ Argentina should also thank the British”
A few more countries will like to thank Britain as well:
Ireland, Thank you Britain for starving millions of us to death.
India, Thank you Britain for adopting measures that caused as many as 29 million of us to starve to death.
South Africa, Thank you Britain for the concentration camps.
Kenya, Thank you Britain for pouring paraffin and burning us alive.
Chagossians, Thank you Britain for our forced expulsion from our homeland, thanks to you we become slum-dwellers on the Mauritius mainland!
Afghanistan, Thank you Britain for bombing our weddings full of women and children.
Iraq, Thank you Britain for killing hundreds of thousands of us based on a big(WMD)lie.
falklandsnews.wordpress.com/2012/06/20/england-invented-colonialism-says-argentina/
Thank you for being an arsehole.
Now please kindly explain when Britain sold arms to Nestor and Cristina?
Thank you!
in.mobile.reuters.com/article/idINL1E8HJG0G20120619?irpc=932
I love it that botox chops has put old man Kirchner on the back of the 100 peso. It's as worthless as toilet paper, just like the Kirchners - fitting.
Anyway anyone noticed when things don't go to plan for the Argentinians they immediately veer off course with some crude insults?
You know Britain has clearly won once they resort to the same old worn out nonsense about something in the UK's past, its all rather pathetic. Argentina has committed some of the most barbaric crimes against its OWN population both indigenous and implanted so is hardly in a place to lecture others on human rights. Not to mention it continually tries to deny the people of the Falkland's their human rights.
Anyway back to the subject in hand.
This is quite clearly a diplomatic victory (for the millionth time) for the UK and people of the Falkland's islands. PM Cameron is a world class politician and CFK has proven many times over the past few years to not be and has yet again been embarrassed on the world stage. Tinman is also a terrible politician and diplomat, anyone remember that cringeworthy and comical speech at the UN where he blatantly lied to the point everyone was mocking him?
My favourite parts where the top secret radar which actually was a weather radar that collects data and is used by several universities around the world for that purpose.
And the excellent Argentine intelligence and picture of a nuclear weapon armed submarine off the Falkland Islands which actually was a picture from a British newspaper of a submarine that is a different class off the coast of Scotland that isn't even capable of carry nuclear weapons.....
And from all of this you can see why the Argentine government are one of the joke countries of international politics and diplomacy.
That's the problem with populist politicians. They have to be surrounded by a crowd of loyal, simpering sicophants (like the C24 when she had 95 of them with her), and reading from a pre-prepared speech, or they end up making a fool of themselves.
At the G20, poor CFK didn't have her adoring sicophants with her, and had no pre-prepared speech, she had to act and think immediately. Pity, because she has no ability to do that.
British politicians have a huge wealth of experience of having to think on their feet. Every Wednesday is Prime Ministers question time where the Prime Minister gets questions flung at him, not only by the opposition, but by his own party too.
And British politicians are always being grilled by the press, too.
A pity Argentina's press don't feel they have the freedom to do this, especially with the President, who I understand refuses to answer questions from them, and will only read out pre-prepared statements.
She's a pretty poor excuse for a politician isn't she?
On the other hand, well done Dave, keep putting this petty tyrant back in her place. :0)
Oh fuck me I did not recognize you Christina under all that make up and botox, er no you cant have them and let me give you a little bit of advice dear, dont make a promise you cant keep, now run a long dear I have far more important things to deal with in the world like the economy that you have helped to fuck up, ta ta.
Mr Dave pwease Mr Dave pwease come back.
However, ask them what actual actions they are going to take and they go all quiet or simply splutter some incoherent reply. What is wrong Argies? Lose your spine or did you never grow one?
an official from 10 Downing Street summed the situation up nicely - “We don't need an envelope from Fernandez to know what the UN resolutions say.... All the UN resolutions do refer to the UN charter, which enshrines the principle of self-determination and that is what we are asking the Argentines to respect,”
Quite.
You are a fool, and a dishonest one at that. The Argentinians have prided themselves as being the Europeans of South America and have historically looked down upon their native or mixed raced neighbours.
Yes, mixed-race or mestizos do exist in Argentina, many of them migrants or persons living in the far north or north west of the Argentina, but they are largely treated as second class citizens by the general Argentine populace.
Ask any Chilean or many other South Americans how they find the Argentinians, and the word arrogant is soon mentioned. For example, despite Argentina's second or third rate economy, its people find it too hard to accept that those damn Chileans mestizos are outshining them economically. It really hurts their inflated ego!!!
On another issue, its been mentioned that some Argentinians fought in World War I....yes, the Anglo-Argentinians, who helped your nation progress during the 19th and early 20th centuries. But, unfortunately, thanks to Juan Peron and his other dictatorial sidekicks, many British-Argentinians were forced to leave their former homeland in the 1930's and 1940's by the rising fascistas of that nation. It's a pity.....although some remain, obviously not nearly enough to counterbalance the mafiosa types that now run Argentina.
Though it took them 74 days and HM forces had to give them a lift home.
Argentine ferry services Were never that reliable.
Hhhmmm ,obviously speaks herself under the many other names while flounders in YouTube archives.
I'd like to see the video with a full translation of her rant.
1. Have you ever been to Iraq?
2. Do you know people from Iraq?
3. Have you witnessed, from personal experiences, what life was like in Iraq before/during and after Saddam's rule?
4. What countries provided troops to the Iraq conflict.
5 . Which countries provided troops after the conflict.
Your comments about Iraq, directed solely to the British prove to everyone here just how warmongering and anti-British you truly are. You know nothing of Iraq, you read little snippets of “news” and claim to know everything about that country, and the situation within that country.
You're a fake, plain and simple.
www.evtv1.com/player.aspx?itemnum=7222
Yep- you know they've lost the argument when they play the Chagos card. In one thread is was post #2!
Peaked too early ;-)
Possibly we could devise RG “Top Trumps” in time for next Christmas. Possible categories - Botox levels, hypocracy, “colonialism” and military strength (working items only included)
Sick of reading the same old shite about who did what to who hundreds of years ago and whatever...just SHUT UP AND GET A LIFE.
What have you got to say about the other colonial empires ? (Spanish, French, Belgian, Dutch, German, Russian, Chinese, Mongolian, Japanese, Turkish, Arab, etc, etc. Pick any one to begin with).
You'll get no answer to that question. Anyway, everyone knows the Argentines have always lived where they are now. What are you suggesting?
Chuckle chuckle.
Jun 19th, 2012 - 11:51 pm
Exactly how is the Chagosian issue relevant to the Falkland Islands issue? Apart from Malvinista distraction tactics and points scoring?
I'm not expecting an answer. But if I do get one, what I'll suggest is that, curiously enough, it's only Argentines I have ever heard espousing this notion of the unique wickedness of Brits. Everybody else seems to have cottoned on to the fact that the age of imperialism was a particular stage of economic development, everybody who was anybody was at it at the time, and that it all ended about 60-70 years ago. I suspect an indoctrination process at work.
What's more, while the Brits were certainly far from angels, it is interesting to compare the current situation of former British colonies, with the current status of former Spanish ones, particularly as regards the status and numbers of the original indigenous population.
This tends to show quite clearly just who was running a genocidal operation controlled by a plundering oligarchy, and doesn't seem to have learned anything much since.
Anyway, that's what I'd suggest if I didn't want to get BritishLion all worked up in a lather.
As always when YOUR President makes a fool of you, you try to divert attention away by blaming all the ills of the world on the British.
Pathetic, just like your President. Poor Dany, maybe one day Argentine will grow up, elect a sensible person to be your President, and then maybe the rest of the world will let you play with the 'big boys'.
“Clearly the Argentine letter was prepared in advance with the aim of embarrassing the British”
No need for that, CaMoron has the ability to embarrass himself with any help.
Forgetting his daughter in a pub is not enough embarrassment?
Just wonder embarrass comes from Argie’s word Embarras?
I Embarro
You Embarras
He/she Embarra
We Embarramos
You Enbarrais
They Enbarran
I just “Embarre” all like a Gil when I forgot my daughter at the pub.
More “Embarrado” I feel now when Cristina appeared with that big envelope that I didn’t expect at all.
What the hell I have to do to not end “Embarrado” all the time like a Gil because my translator and I don’t have any idea of what Cristina said in Spanish?
Arg is on the brink of total collapse, the Falklands will still be British while that screeching harpy will be in jail or exile. Nothing to worry about.,
Poor deluded Dany. Your president is making your country the laughing stock of the world.
Lets see in the past few months:
1. Stole er Nationalised YPF against Argentine law, then in a show of complete contempt for the Argentine constitution, changes it to suit her whim.
2. Swore that China was going to invest....er....but they didn't.
3. Went to Angola hoping to exchange food for oil....er....but she can't as your farmers are on strike and barely producing enough food to feed Argentina, let alone anyone else.
4. Swore she'd get a unanimous statement from the OAS summit regarding the Falklands, but was basically told to feck off.
5. Attended an impotent and powerless committee at the UN which no decent Head Of State would be caught dead doing, and even then she was shown up for the inept politician that she is. One minute asking for talks, then the next refusing an invitation from the Falkland Islands Government to do just that.
6. Got caught out at the G20 by an experienced politician who basically told her to feck off and stop bullying the Falkland Islanders.
7. Was seen begging the Russians to invest in YPF at the G20.
You see, Dany, a decent Head of State or politician wouldn't do these things. In the meantime, your beloved CFK is stuffing her pockets as much as she can before the inevitable crash of the Argentine economy, at which point she'll blame the evil Brit Pirates and skedaddle overseas with all of YOUR money.
I doubt that it does Mr Aussie, they never had any real friends in Latam to begin with even before the war. Why should they be bothered now?
Chile and Uruguay are not part of South America then I guess. They want and still have plenty to do with us.
Nice try Argies but no cigar.
And Ive read the letter of Summers, not looking for dialogue I should say. At least our president showed him ONU resolutions for negotiations. Thats dialogue.
A TV novel, with photos, letters, madam, monsieur, that arent accetpted and yes they are diverting attention, here with Macri, Scioli, football, Duran Barba (an excellent judge of arg Servini processed him, k is stealing our money and they are processing duran barba, jajajaj) etc, nobody cares of Malvinas.
”The one that came forward trying to talk about an issue that wasn't on the agenda was Prime Minister David Cameron,“ he said.
Timerman said “Cameron refused to accept an envelope from Cristina Fernandez with the 40 UN resolutions calling for a resumption of sovereignty discussions on the Malvinas issue”.
Typical psycho-lying Argies. The Tin Man says Cameron approached Critstina.
And?
He's implying that Cameron went over there to pick a fight that had nothing to do with why they were there.
Then in the same breath he mentions that she had an envelope at the ready to give to Cameron, the contents of which also had nothing to do with why they were there.
This is what is meant by Pathological.
If we took everything you said Mr Malen, and made it the opposite then you have the correct interpretation of events.
As you are all now aware myself and the Argentine President Cristina Fernandez met where we had a short but frank encounter, in the process of this encounter President Cristina Fernandez tried but failed to hand me an envelope.
I have to say that I am disappointed in the action of the Argentine President, to try to hand an envelope pertaining to the Falkland Islands to her Majesty's Prime Minister is both un diplomatic and fully the wrong way to go about world affairs.
May I take this opportunity through MercoPress to say to her that there is nothing to discuss until the people that live on the Falkland's decide that they no longer want to remain British. May I also remind her that next year the people on those islands are holding a referendum on just this same subject, I tried to say to her last night that they were going to do this but I do not think she fully grasped that it is only the people who live on those islands who can decide their own fate.
I say this to all the people that live on the Falkland islands, you can rest assured that we British will never let the Argentines take over and ruin your much respected economy like they have done in their own country you are much valued and respected.
Finally, I would like to quote something that a great man once said a hero to many a British person including myself.
If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack.
Winston Churchill
Forever your servant David Cameron.
Er....Ok David?.......were's our referendum on the EU?
lets guess the result........ can the penguins, sea lions, illex argentinius vote?? that would be a challenge.
But CFK would have got a much better result from DC if she'd popped a couple of B&Q vouchers in with those non-binding resolutions, they're worth much much more. Mind you Wickes have got a good deal on at the mo for decking.
Seriously though, Argentina wanted a chat even about non sovereignty issues as she boldly stated at the UN C24 and the hypocrite fluffed the opportunity to talk on mutually beneficial matters with the islanders who gave her every opportunity, Tamborineman doing the same. They snubbed the offer whilst rolling around congratulating each other with their 90 devout followers. Now DC told her exactly the situation and she seeks to pass him a job lot on NON-BINDING resolutions whilst simultaneousily castigating the islanders and Britain for being thoroughly British, and threatening island economies and business partners and continually slandering us.
Britain will always play the game by the book. Argentina is still learning to read from a book with heavy lead content ink.
Do they get a vote in Argentina? What funny people you are. No wonder you ended up with that crazy woman for president.
@7 Perhaps CFK and Tinpotman should have remembered that when they were offered a letter by the Falklands.
@10 Don't be such a prat. Again.
@19 Now I understand why you call yourself Forgetit.
@24 Julio Argentino Roca, in contrast to Alsina, believed that the only solution against the aboriginal threat was to extinguish, subdue or expel them.
Our self-respect as a virile people obliges us to put down as soon as possible, by reason or by force, this handful of savages who destroy our wealth and prevent us from definitely occupying, in the name of law, progress and our own security, the richest and most fertile lands of the Republic.
—Julio Argentino Roca, 1878
That seems fairly clear!
@26 Think you're up to it?
@29 What Chagossians? No such animal.
@34 So you mean you only killed 80%? So much better!
@35 So let's get this straight. You and your pals would like us to forget, or at least not mention, your murky past whilst feeling free to mention our past. How does that work? Let's say I'm 60. So anything that happened more than about 50 years ago has nothing to do with me. The majority of British and Falklands posters will probably be younger. Let's pick a date you can start from. How about 1982?
@38 Aaaah. The good old “implanted population” theory. Strange how “populations” are always “implanted” when it suits your purpose. You, of course, are not part of an “implanted population”, are you?
@41 You're your own what?
@42 So you're blind as well as stupid!
@53 I think we've been misinterpreting his name. It isn't “Forget it”, it's “Forge tit”.
@62 Perhaps you could explain argieland's 12+ lies to the UN repeated continuously since 1964?
@67 Argieland, of course, never breaches international law.....much!
@70 Nice to see you defending a stinking (FACT. Many have remarked on his unpleasant odour. Eau de argie?), narcissistic, greed-driven tosspot.
No Malen, trying and failing to give someone a dog- eared looking brown envelope containing photocopies of something the UN said 50 years ago is not 'dialogue'.
I understand the spin that the Argentines are putting on this; you're all just annoyed that Cameron took the initiative and got in there first. But really..... so Kirchner just happened to have been carrying around that nasty looking envelope since the C24 did she? Really? You must think we were all born yesterday.
And if no-one cares about the Falkland Islands then what in God's name is all this brouhaha about? Why don't you all just bugger off and leave us alone?
[UK] “has expelled the Chagossian”
Is Argentina also claiming Diego garcia Island as their property?
@ 24 Forgetit87
“Argentines are a mixture of Italians, Spaniards and Indigenous Argentinians.”
600.329 / 41.000.000 = 1,46% indígenas + millions af slaughtered indigenous people.
Encuesta Complementaria de Pueblos Indígenas (ECPI) 2004-200516 basada en el Censo Nacional de Población 2001 del INDEC 600.329 se reconocen y/o descienden en primera generación de pueblos indígenas.
As an Argentinian you have probably never been told of “el blancheado”.
In techically “ Colonialist ” ..“ Exploitative ”..“ Imperialist ”” each has different meanings.
For example ........
English ... colonialist , exploitative,imperialist nation.
USA ...exploitative,imperialist nation.
Russians ... exploitative,imperialist nation.
Chinese ... diasphora colonialist,exploitative,imperialist nation.
French.. exploitative,imperialist nation.
Dutch ...semi colonialist,imperialist,exploitative nation.
Spaniards .. colonialist,exploitative,imperialist nation.
Japanese ..exploitative,imperialist nation.
German ..imperialist nation.
Turks ... imperialist nation.
Arabs ... colonialist,imperialist nation.
Mongols(once)... solid colonialist,imperialist,semi exploitative.
Argentina is only covered imperialist ,absortionist nation.
read the following link:
www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/economia/2-196813-2012-06-20.html
Much like Argentine then? Your country is all three as you have stated. Your 'Imperialistic' because you have placed your inherited European,Asian,Middle East values on the Native South Americans, your 'Colonialist' as you have taken over there lands/way of life and your 'exploitative' because you are using their resources and values for your own ends. And you want to carry out all three on Islands that have done nothing to you.
There are no evident distinctions between any of these I can figure out. What makes the Brits so exceptional?
america.infobae.com/notas/52421-Malvinas-cacerolas-y-la-coartada-britanica
@73 The UK MUST do NOTHING, thicko.
@84 So that's where the argie population comes from!
@85 No. Only you, dickhead.
@87 Takes one............
@89 Still making it up as you go along, jerkoff?
@92 Still trying to pretend to be intelligent, hypocrite?
@97 About time. But actually you should be thanking us for 1824 onwards when Britain had a major influence. However, by 1827, you thought you knew better than us and your economy nosedived. However, we got our influence back in the 1860s and things got so much better that it was referred to as the Golden Age. Then you thought you knew better again. Get the picture?
@98 Tosser!
@99 Would you prefer “imperialist aggressor”?
@103 Only SEVEN lies!
@132 And CFK has only been embarrassing herself and her cuntry since 2003. Wow!
@135 Do you “think” they care? Best recommendation for a real nation. No friends in S. Am.
@139 Just watch what happens when you've been cut down to size.
@140 How stupid are you? Yeah, he was so pressured he told her to piss off. And she got to show him NOTHING except her bad breath and an inability to speak a civilised language.
@151 The argie thesaurus.
@153 & 155 If you hang on about a month, you might catch up. In the meantime, grown-ups are talking. That last doesn't apply to Malvinistas.
@158 Intelligence.
@159 Couple of points. Anything that comes out of Buenos Aires is a lie. I'm not poor so I don't speak gibberish.
Er Mr Conqueror you are wanted in another article by the delightful Miss Sussie, I replied to a question she asked you and she shouted at me.
They were told to get lost.
Is Timmerman that stupid ? Has he not heard of the Welsh Guards and their sacrifices in 1982???
but Raul, an article in “Pagina12” - it might as well have been “Der Stürmer” writing about Adolf and jews.
ConQUEEEERRRRR LOST THE BATTLE AS SOON HE FOUND OUT RUSSIA IS INTERESTED IN MY COUNTRY ARGENTINA...
YES BABE, YES..RUSSIAN INTELLIGENCE...AND PASSION...vs. the UK
All these CFK burbles on about a re mere recommendations - of no binding power at all - and all conveneintly ovelooking clause 1 of the UN Charter!
Sorry mate Falklands and UK are wrongfooting CFK and Timmerman every time these days!
After all, why did CFK even try and give him an envelope when Timmerman publicy stated that the G20 was NOT the place! Seems he and her need to decide on who does what and when!!!
Next time, we should waste more money (like the model of this country is fond in doing), and dedicate the letter. Perhaps we should use friendly colours, and adress with Mr Monsieur the letters.
:)
What are you on about? Do you think the Russians give two hoots about Argentina? They will use you like they used/use every other poor defenceless country that has something Bit like the British heh? ;) And what does Russia have to do with it? I merely informed Mr Conqueror that you asked him a question. And I don't think he's gay by the way.
Let se the little bussines,this lizard,reptilian has...
Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner attempted to hand Mr. Cameron a package marked ‘UN – Malvinas’ but the Prime Minister refused to accept it
The “Close encounter of a second kind” was extraordinary to say the least when the British media said it took place in a corridor which clearly is not what the photograph portrays………I found this comment sums up their brief exchange:
At the G20 in sunny Mexico the Argentinean President approached Cameron to attempt a dialogue with him about the answer to the Falklands issue, and in a glowing demonstration of leadership statesmanship and negotiation, what does he do? – A Runner
One can clearly see the distortion of facts when it comes to which newspaper you read. The Zionist controlled UK media clearly state that it was Cameron who approached the Argentinean President but I can assure you it was the other way round.
In the above photograph one can see President Cristina Fernandez intentionally intercepted the British Prime Minister who was caught totally off guard as you can see in Cameron´s blushing facial expression. Christina was fully armed with a standard A4 sized envelope ready to hand it over to the PM but he not only became rather flustered but also refused to accept the envelope that was handed to him.
I find it rather absurd that political leaders never appear to be able to accept an unprepared interview which often takes away their ability to deal with live unknown questions and you can clearly see the two faces, one showing determination and the other in full retreat and totally flustered.
After this initial clash David Cameron again regained his lost composure and put on his usual spin of “Bravado” ( in true Churchill style) before the media in order to show his leadership qualities when he stated:
eyreinternational.wordpress.com/tag/desire-petroleum/
AHahah poor deluded crook..david:YOU ARE FINISH!
Now I have to agree with you your President Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner did try to hand me an envelope and I did refuse to accept that envelope. I am the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom for God’s sake one does not accept any old envelope from any old person you know one has to carful in this day and age. And as I pointed out to her walking up to the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom and trying to shove something in his hand is not the right way to go about things, there are ways of doing things in the civilised world that we live in that's why we have diplomats. And in any case what would Samantha think when she saw some woman a widow I might add walking up to me and try to give me something, she is back home looking after the children for goodness sake while I am in Mexico with all its distractions, I am an happily married man I would have you know with a wife who can be a little bit jealous.
I would also have you know that Mexico is indeed a sunny place when it’s not raining, I got soaked last night when I popped out for a little bit of fresh air.
I would also say you are correct in your assumption of your President coming up to me, however the reason for me doing a runner as you eloquently put it was because she made me late for a very important meeting a meeting a meeting far more important than having s
Despite this, they still manage to be light years ahead of the bunch of populist clowns running Argentina. At least our lot does'nt keep on making themselves look like utter buffoons every time they open their mouths.
If a British foreign secretary acted like Timmerman, he would'nt last very long.
Reading through this thread - I have to say that the Argentinian bloggers still really can't say anything other than “you stole the isalnds from us” which is an outright lie, or “Britain has always been evil so must be punished” which is actually a non-argument in their favour as it does'nt advance their cause (I won't even bother going into Argentinas own blood stained past- we've done that to death).
Nothing any Argentine blogger has said here has really addressed the poor performance by CFK and co in regards to this dispute.
If thats the best you lot can do, you've lost.
A whole movie from one photograph.
Yes, Thank you Britain for invading our land in 1806/1807/1833/1845.
Thank you Britain for supporting our criminal dictators and selling weapons to them.
Thank you Britan for stealing our natural resources.
Thank you Britain!
Its ok, no need to thank us, its been a pleasure! Pure pleasure!!
I find it rather strange that you seem to think that it was I that was flustered, I can state quite categorically that it was your President that was a little bit flustered, I commented on it to Susan one of my assistants, you can just make her out in the photograph if you look closely as I walked away that she seemed to be a little bit flustered and hot. And Susan whispered to me that I should not be too worried about it but it might be that the President is going through what all women go through at that time in their lives, the menopause. I must say that when Susan told me that I breathed a sigh of relief I had thought up to that point that it was I walking off in such a way that caused her to be a little flustered I have that affect on the lady's , Hoever I can assure everyone that I was late for that meeting.
Always your servant David
You still haven't answered my question Mr Cameron. Why won't you give this country that has been in existence for over 300 years with its internal entities going back over 1500 years and even further. This country is old and your subsuming it into an EU state. Why can't we, its people decide our fate?
Jun 21st, 2012 - 07:53 pm
You do know it isn't the ACTUAL David Cameron don't you?
I do Mr Feck but anyone who remotely sounds/resembles Cameron will be questioned for sounding like that Tory dick head.
“Britain has always been evil so must be punished”
Oh1 poor Brit weiße Engel
We are afraid and alone...
God knows an angel don’t wanna be
www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGYEXYPy3Mw
I need punishment Bestrafe Mich
www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tykqZq0p4A
@ Furry-Fat-Feck
“You do know it isn't the ACTUAL David Cameron don't you?”
Lame CaMoron seem to be at least less idiot than the real one ha ha.
Still nothing of substance to say then?
How long before you start going on about how we should'nt have bombed the peace loving germans in ww2? Or mention Chagos?
I did'nt even bother with the links.
You basically have nothing constructive to say. You certainly can't elucidate a valid reason why your country should be allowed to uproot or dominate a peaceful community that has existed for over 180 years.
Going on about real or imagined injustices done to other people does'nt wash.
what a shame you are blinkered and brainwashed. Is Argentina a democracy?
why do you feel the way that you do. You have no real evidence of your comments regarding Mr Cameron and the Falklands. It appears that all you want to do is be abusive and not put reasonably logical arguments forward. No doubt you will be rude about this!
The decolonisation committee is a non-entity corrupt committee with no power that no self-respecting leader or even senior government official would attend, hence why your leader went - no self-respect.
There are only 2 parties involved in the sovereignty dispute, Argentina and the Falkland Islanders. The British are only involved to ensure fair play.
So if Argentina truly wants movement on the Falklands issue it will have to grow up and speak to the people who matter most in all of this, the Falkland Islanders.
The Falkland Islanders will hold a referendum next year, under international supervision. Once this is done, Argentina should accept that the people of the Falklands have spoken, whatever the outcome. That's what grown up, progressive countries do.
If your government refuses to accept the result, then you will truly lose what little respect you still have in the world.
By the way, axel arg. Argentinians are colonials. You are the product of Spains colonial ambitions, but even after independence from Spain, you continued to colonise the surrounding areas, by committing acts of genocide and ethnic cleansing against the native population and stealing their lands.
Your entire culture is based on Europe, your buildings, your military's dress uniforms, and your language. Where are the native, axel? Less than 2% of the whole Argentine population.
In the 19c, the United Provinces also did land grabs from their neighbours, Chile, Paraguay, Uruguay and Brazil. You even tried to grab land from the British, until we turned up and turfed your military off our territory.
In 1850 Argentina signed a treaty and maps produced by Argentina after this date shows that they didn't consider the Falklands Argentinian territory.
Face it, you were created by colonialism, you expanded your territory by colonialism, and you still try to increase your territory by colonialism, and in 1982 the British had to slap you back down from your colonialism.
Now Mr Conor, to answer your question about we British holding a referendum. I have in the last few days been talking to my Cabinet about this very same subject and I can inform you that it has had a reasonable response from my Cabinet, I have to say though that while I will try to get it passed into our law in the next year those dastardly socialists will try to scupper those plans by getting elected and throwing me out in the street.
Now to you Mr Berger, I still see you have not changed you name yet. How you can go around with a name like that really astounds me, and I can tell you it takes some doing for me to be astounded.
I guess you get astonished quiet easy mate.
Cameron = Crooked (dishonest, twisted, etc) Scot meaning.
So much better “Berger” than a “Crooked” and you want to make fun from my surname mate?
Are you joking?
Or you just started to get high like in the past?
Now getting back to your name Mr Berger, Berger is actually spelled Burger as in a McDonald's Burger, not only did your parents name you after a minced piece of flat meat but they actually spelled the name wrong.
I would seriously try to get that name changed who wants to be known as a piece of flat minced meat, its quite easy to get it changed, well it is in my country anyway you just change it by deed poll.
If your going to call yourself after a piece of meat why not have the name Rump, or Brisket far better names than Berger dont you think?
My Sname ok mate.
Berger comes from Berg “Der Berg” like in Dutch “Van Der Berg”.
You are making the typical English speaker mistake. Nothing to do with Burger.
And for your record Burger in American English slang means “cool” & “awesome” ask YankeeBoy.
So I’m not tasty lookin' burger?
And this is for you “Yo got that burger?” Ha ha
I guess you have got a lot of bad burger and for that reason you make us laugh every time you post.
So don’t be greed and change you supplier of your cheap burger.
Is not doing any good on you.
Trust me
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