“A parliamentary system would not work in Argentina”, says chief Justice
The head of Argentina’s Supreme Court Ricardo Lorenzetti played down the possibility of a parliamentary system in the country because it would represent an “upturn of 180 degrees”, besides there is no clear initiative to reform the constitution.
“It’s very difficult that a parliamentary system could work in Argentina, it would mean an upturn of180 degrees turn. I see that those who favour such an option do not speak of reforming the constitution. Rather what the 1994 constitutional convention members thought at the time, remains prevalent and there is no initiative to modify it”, said Lorenzetti.
However another Justice, Raul Eugenio Zaffaroni and considered close to Cristina Fernandez is a strong supporter of the change of system.
During an open conference at a business people annual meeting, Lorenzetti said that “the Argentine institutional problem is that we have governance based on scenarios of bi-polar conflicts. And we should move towards a leadership based on multi-polar conflicts that can bring harmony among the different sectors involved”.
“This is the only way we have to manage conflicts and not propel them, plus articulating certain basic consensus in society since that is what makes for legal security”, added the Justice.
Lorenzetti said there are basic principles in which Argentines can agree, “so that we can all live together in the same common house. So it is essential to reorient everybody’s mind towards something which is completely different to individualism which is the common good”
He said that in Argentina “we have a long history of individual successes and collective failures. But it is time we are capable we admit it is possible to build something in common. There are some basic questions on which we can agree, while at the same time keeping our differences”.
The Justice also talked about the new Civil and Commercial codes which are under consideration saying that “we can think of a code that regulates the lives of citizens from the XIX century, a bi-polar world but today it is quite more complicated because we are in a multi-polar world”.
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silly billy
Perhaps Argentina must be some sort of dictatorship.
Thing he means an about-face?
And how dare he refer to TheMad Bitch of Argentina by upgrading her bi-polar condition to multi-polar, as if she had many faces!
Oh, oh, just spotted a flaw in my post! :o)
ITS ALL GOOD!!!
Maybe CFK could install son as Argentina's first monarch, Rey Máximo, given that he is already a Peronist princeling?
@ 6, I think that this is good idea, but suggest they come under the sov. of the Falklands and by doing so inherit Lizzy as monach. Then everyone can live happily ever after.
The political culture is what needs to be changed.
Besides they seem to be ignorant that parliamentary vs presidential isn't the same as bipolar vs multi-polar: both the US and UK tend to be bipolar with presidential and parliamentary systems respectively, whereas across Europe you can see examples of multi-polar presidential and parliamentary systems.
The thing is all this “common house” stuff seems more to be aiming at unipolar...perhaps they want to do away with democracy and become a single party state like China...
Or Master Butler of the Royal Bedchamber.
Or .............................l'll stop being silly now.
Well I think NOTHING would work in Argentina.
By contrast, despite what it calls itself, argieland is not much different to imperial Spain. It has “formalities” that say “We're a democracy”, but is governed by decree. I'd say argieland has around 500 years to go. But it might not make it. We have only to interpret the attitudes of the majority of argies that come on here. “We're right, because we're right. Don't argue.” “It's ours because we say so!” Autocracy at best. Imperialism at worst. And let's not forget the corruption and bullying!
A great post Conqueror, this is the second or third time I've been really impressed by your very succint rendering of a situation. Bravo.
Argentina's actual Secretary of Religion (Culto) (www.culto.gov.ar/) seems to be focused on somehow directing the religions to play nice with each other and avoid friction, which given that Timerman is a Jewish minister in a historically anti-Semitic nation, might reflect a real need (are they any closer to catching those Iranian AMIA killers?)
However, could be that historically, the notion of what Culto was meant to be protecting interests of the Catholic Church? For example, iIn the current Culto office, looks like the Catholic Culto still gets its own Director-General (www.culto.gov.ar/dircatolico.php).
Excellent post. Romans to now in 18 lines!
Please try understanding Uruguay a little better.
The presidential system works until you get a bad president, then it will fail. The less responsibility and power for the one person the better, as their decisions affect everyone. Separating the head of state away from the countries decision making, further emphasises this and splits the responsibility and tasks.
The presidential system is also more vulnerable to corruption.
Argentina is a example of how not to do it. Currently they have a crazy leader with too much power, totally out of her depth, dragging the country to its knees. She has sought much fame, but a leaders job is not to seek attention like a celebrity, it is to run the country. It could now take decades for Argentina to recover from her failed ideology.
Let's consider little Britain. How many times has it caved in to much bigger France, Spain or Germany? When appropriate, it's even faced up and stood up to China and Russia. So tell us about Uruguay? What does it need? Markets for its goods? A friend? A bit of bottle?
Does Britain “need” Uruguay? Well, no. Did we make a major fuss about Uruguay's discourtesy to our warship? One of Her Majesty's ships. We did not. Did it run out of food or fuel? It did not. It carried on. To a fledgling nation that needs its protection. Has any Uruguayan read the UN Charter recently? Do you think your current actions are consistent with the Charter?
Or just a grateful eunuch....
Peronism has no ideology, it exists only as a means of accumulating power through the misery of a large majority of the population which depends on government hand-outs for it's survival.
While this system perpetuates itself Argentina will not be a democracy!!!
All of them are oligarchy puppets..no anything else !
They don't deserve privilege.
22 Conqueror
This could turn into a very interesting conversation,
Just like the other blogg over argentina with that guy [ hermes]
Just a thought.
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You are absolutely correct about everything you say, albeit without, in my opinion, truly grasping the situation Uruguay finds itself in.
Yes, Britain fought many wars against greater foes. But can you really claim that the Germany army was more than 10 times bigger than ours? And what about our allies? In WW2 we had, belatedly, the might of the armed forces of the USA.
What allies does Uruguay presently have? None. Well none it can trust to actually help it when push comes to shove. Yes, I most certainly think that Pepe should get rid of his 'lowly' past which he continually pushes as being 'homely' and start to really push back at Argentina particulary about trade agreements which are just not working for Uruguay like they are not working for Brasil, Chile, you name it.
Yes, I sometimes get very frustrated with Pepe myself, but rather him than someone like The Mad Bitch of Argentina.
He may also pull off a masterstroke. It is very likely that the Chinese will go for financing and building a deep sea port on the Atlantic coast in the region of Rocha. I know the possible pitfalls with getting into bed with the Chin, but they do own some big ports around the world, seemingly, without problems.
This port will remove all the stupidity of Argieland and the (NOT) dredging of the Plate, allow grains, soya and many more important exports easy access to the port along a slightly enhanced road network without problems. There are already improvements being made to the commercial rail sytem. Brasil will also make extensive use of this port for its southern exporting area.
And while Uruguay PRESENTLY has a government who seem not to like the British, the same CANNOT be said about the people of Uruguay and governments do not last forever.
While it was an excellent summary of the progression of the governance of England it is actually copied and pasted from the Wikipedia page on the English Parliament.
Allies for Uruguay? None, you say. Do you think it might not be a good idea to spit in the face of someone who could be? Let's face it. Did Uruguay not grovel to argieland? And did Uruguay not then rush to grovel to Britain to explain why it “had” to do it?
I'm glad that you suggest that the people of Uruguay “like” Britain. So let them get up on their hind legs and say so. If “Pepe” is so much a “man of the people”, let them tell him what to do. Or are you saying that 3 million people can't tell him what to do?
@28 No, it's not. It's a selection and a condensation. Evidencing the fact that I know what I'm talking about. Since I know what I did, I'll challenge anyone to show that it's a “copy and paste”.
Uruguay is a Presidential Democracy and the President is elected by the people to literally 'run' the country as the Chief Executive of the Government and the Head of State.
I am unsure if there is an impeachment process available to the rest of the elected 'lawmakers' if they decide he has turned rogue and want him gone. If not, as a member of Mercosur, the agreement of 1999 would be used.
I think, if you really believe that we (I am British) were winning the war, you may be mistaken. Look at the Battle of the Bulge where the alliance was fought to a standstill and it almost turned into a rout.
And what about the use of the bomb to shorten the war in the Pacific of which Britain was a part?
I used to see things only in black and white and then I grew up.
A good attitude to be sure =) You still have a “blind” spot on Cristina though!
You are the only one here who is blind when it comes to Cristina.
I don't think she is ugly as such.
No one retains their youth forever.
But she is my mortal enemy so l'm not going to extol her looks or virtues.
She still looks young to me =)
“But she is my mortal enemy”
Only in your head. When real peace comes to the South Atlantic I think the two of you might even get on, strong woman to strong woman =)
“or virtues”
So you admit she has them.....
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