Falklands’ begins to work in organization of next year’s referendum
The Falkland Islands government has started to prepare the list of issues that will have to be addressed for the organization of next year’s referendum on the political statute of the Islands, particularly the drafting of the question, inviting overseas observers and contracting a specialist to manage the whole operation.
The purpose of the referendum to be held in the first half of next year, as was announced last June 12, is to eliminate any possible doubt about the Falkland Islands’ wishes, because Islanders “have no desire to be ruled by the government of Buenos Aires”, which sustainedly delivers “misleading rhetoric about the Islands”.
The matter was brought up in the last public assembly held in Stanley and the FIG Chief Executive Keith Padgett said that arranging a referendum and deciding upon the precise question “was not a simple matter when the aim was to send a message to the international community”.
He said because of this the question on the political future of the Falklands must be “unbiased.”
CEO Padgett said the referendum was an opportunity to show the world, “we are responsible and we know what form of governance we want”. However, he warned if things were badly managed there was the potential for “disaster” and revealed that independent observers are being sought to oversee the referendum.
Mr Padgett said FIG had no intention of, “going overboard,” but if the result was to be recognised internationally then a specialist was required to reassure the rest of the world.
He said the referendum would not be cheap as internal resources would be required as well as paying for the flights and potentially the wages of observers.
Campaigning would be needed on both sides and the question should be positive, that is voting for something rather than against. Eligibility to vote would also need to be examined, although most likely this would include all of those on the electoral roll.
The referendum announcement was done by MLA Gavin Short, chairman of the Legislative Assembly two days before the annual meeting of the UN Decolonization Committee or C24 meeting and on the 30th anniversary of the South Atlantic conflict, June 14th,, when the Argentine invader forces surrendered to a British Task Force sent to recover the Falklands.
“We are holding this referendum not because we have any doubts about who we are and what future we want, but to show the world just how very certain we are about that”, said MLA Gavin Short.
The text also underlined that “I have no doubt that the people of the Falklands wish for the Islands to remain a self-governing Overseas Territory of the United Kingdom. We certainly have no desire to be ruled by the Government in Buenos Aires, a fact that is immediately obvious to anyone who has visited the Islands and heard our views. But we are aware that not everyone is able to come to these beautiful Islands and to see this reality for themselves. And the Argentine Government deploys misleading rhetoric that wrongly implies that we have no strong views or even that we are being held hostage by the UK military. This is simply absurd.”
“We have thought carefully about how to convey a strong message to the outside world that expresses the views of the Falklands people in a clear, democratic and incontestable way. So we have decided, with the full support of the British Government, to hold a referendum on the Falkland Islands to eliminate any possible doubt about our wishes. This referendum will be organized by the Falkland Islands Government and will take place in the first half of 2013. We will invite independent, international observers to observe the process and verify its outcome. Exact timings, the specific wording of the question, and other details will be announced in the coming weeks”. (PN/MP).-
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Before all you Malvinistas get on here and say you don't care what we think; the referendum isn't for your benefit. It's for anyone else in the world who may have a small shadow of a doubt- fuelled by Argentine Government rhetoric- about what the wishes of the islanders truly are. Thanks to that deadbeat ambassador in Washington (I can't remember his name but you know who I mean. The guy who looks like a lunatic) who tries to tell everyone that we're being held hostage by the UK military, the referendum needs to be held.
Cameron didn't propose the referendum and he already has no doubt about the result.
No its not, in fact, its true democracy at work. But you wouldn't know what that was if it hit you in the face!!
Couldn't be! or am l getting paranoid?
Well said!! this should finally tell the world what you want and silence those idiot nobel peace prize winners, hasbeen pop stars and dead beat actors telling the world on your behalf what they think you want.
This is long overdue and KFC and all her cronies would do well to take note of the results of this.
As you so correctly point out, this IS what the islanders want. No one elses opinion matters. End of.
;-)
This is so intriguing! Can´t figure out what your wishes are!
@12 You know don't you? The people of the Falkland Islands will tell the world that, freely and democratically, they choose their land and to remain under British protection. There is NOTHING you can do and NOTHING you will ever be able to do.
@13 The Falkland Islanders will be what THEY want to be. Britain and the British people support them. And we will support them whatever it takes. Get that? WHATEVER it takes!
As Joe Bloggs says in post 1, the referendum is to show the world that the people of the Falklands have a community, a culture, values and standards, and most importantly a voice.
This will show the Argentine claims that the 'British Military are holding the islanders hostage' to be a blatant lie. Which I'm sure most of the world already suspects.
Once the results are published, then the Falklanders will truly have let world know that they claim the right of self-determination.
No doubt the Argentine government is panicking, as it will no longer be able to whinge about the Falklands to the UN anymore, and by not taking part in the referendum they show themselves not to have any convincing argument as to why the Islanders should choose Argentine sovereignty over British.
Lets look at this objectively using Pro's and Cons.
Pros of Argentine sovereignty:
Relatively close.
Er. That's it.
Cons of Argentine sovereignty
Be forced to adopt a new language, culture and currency
Unable to exploit your own resources for the benefit of the Islanders
Will be forced to change the name of the Islands to suit Argentina
Will not be allowed their own government as they will be 'administered' from Argentina
Will not be allowed the option of a referendum on independence from Argentina.
Pros of UK sovereignty
Have their own government independent from UK government
Allowed to exploit their own resources for the benefit of the Islanders
Protected by UK military from any external threats
Allowed to keep and develop own culture completely independant from outside interference including the UK.
Allowed to use the currency they wish
Will keep the true name of the Islands.
Will have the option to hold a referendum on independence from the UK whenever they wish.
Cons to UK sovereignty
UK is quite far away
Er. That's it.
@18 In your psychotic dreams!
Who cares what you think?
The boss-eyed Nestor had the chance to join with the Falklands (there are STILL no Malvinas) to develop the oil and he threw a temper tantrum, and ripped the draft agreement up! What a plonker.
Almost as stupid as The Mad Bitch Of Argentina to who he was married before he croaked.
Why is it that there are so many fcuked up people in Argentina? I mean, you should know, being one of them.
It is not a question of self-determination, The UN resolutions have already stated this.
To understand to whom do these Islands belong, it is necesary to learn some History, but that is just what UK and islander do not want.
The islands were first discovered by some sailors working for spain. Nobody knows really who was, but it was about 70 years before Davis (the UK version of the story). There are lots of maps showing the islands before the alleged Davis' sight in 1592. The south atlantic was first sailed by spain, looking for a route to india, chica (spice route). There were portuguese sailors but they worked for spain. There was a time when portugal and spain were the strongest navys in the world, (before England, Netherlans, etc.)
The first settlers were french (from St. Malo), From this derives the name of Malvinas. 1764
Bouganville recognised then the spanish sovereignity. 1766 England erected a whaling station in Saunders island. Then the british left the islands for “economic reasons” in 1774.
The islands were always until 1811 under spanish administration, the the united provinces of river plate became independent the islands bacame under the administration of Buenos aires. In 1820 was reestablished a military garrison there.
By the year 1826 -1828, there was a successful attemp to colonize the islands by Louis Vernet, but then the ship US lexington destroyed the settlement Port Louis or Puerto Soledad.
The british forces took advantage of this anarchy situation and invaded the islands BY FORCE in 1833. Some gauchos resisted this new administration but then they were sent to England to be judjed.
Since then, Argentina has been claiming the islands.
From this moment britain developed a british colony with people coming from scotland, england, etc.
After the war in 1982 the islanders became full UK citicens
There was a treaty between spain and England in which England renounced indirectly to its claim with the Nootka Convention in 1790.-
Islanders, being full UK citizens can not decided, just because nobody can be judge and judged.
If UK and islanders need to appeal to the “self-determination” principle is because they know that history and “papers” are not on their side. This is well known by the FCO. (ask lord Chalfont). Since the UK government says that they will respect what the islanders say, is because they do not have any other argument to support the claim for the islands.
I agree that you want to remain british, but the territory is “more argentine” that UK. Sorry.
It is good to send a message to the world saying that Islanders want to remain british, but why do not they tell the world why the Falklands are british, with strong arguments and not biased information written by the MLA´s.
Everybody knows that Islanders want to be british. This is no under question. As a matter of fact, There are a group of UK citizens with a very strong military garrison living in an islands claimed by another country.
Let's get something straight. No-one gets rights to anything by sighting it. But the first recorded landing was by the British in 1690. Britain formally claimed the Islands in 1765. France did not object. The the Spanish BOUGHT the French settlement. Get that? BOUGHT. And France was in no position to “recognise” Spanish sovereignty. British sovereignty was NEVER relinquished. The United Provinces of the River Plate acted as pirates. Note that they sent a pirate, David Jewett, to make their claim. Louis Vernet was authorised to conduct a commercial operation on British territory by BRITAIN. Unfortunately, being an argie type, he engaged in piracy. After the U.S. action, Britain took its territory back. The gauchos were glad to be finally paid in good British silver. Since then, argieland has been lying whenever it suited it. See the Arano-Southern treaty of 1850. See the remarks of the argie vice-president in 1866. Now THERE's some real history. And WE can prove it all. Bad luck. Lost again!
Keep the islands in your asshole. Who wants 3,000 retards unable to build a community college, a 5 star hotels, a shopping mall, a first class restaurant since 1982. Use the Chilean ports and leave my country Argentina alone. Argentinians don't need your criminal comments, mind your own country, imbecil!
Afuera de mi pais ingleses odiosos!
1. you live in the USA (america) so calling agentina your country seems i little odd.
2.Why would three thousand people in a shopping mall and a community college, you do understand that you need a alot more people to support that kind of infrastructure.
3. i know you live in america but alot of people in the world think shopping malls are basically evil, as they destroy small businesses, town centres & lead to obesity (think americans)
Your post No. 9 oozes Kelper sincerity and situational awareness....
That's the way to go , lad.........
This is true history too. The Arana-Southern treaty has nothing to do with the Falkland islands. It was about the french-english blocade made in River Parana.
Tell Cameron and all this pirates living in an usurped territory about this treaty, so he would not need to appeal to the self determination principle.
Dear Pirateland member Conqueror, leave argieland and come back to Pirateland in northern hemisfere, where you belong!
Learn more about history, do not teach your pirate potential children lies!
Yes, I think they run a sort of troll academy at La Campora. I had a delicious spat with a “Florrie” in the D Telegraph yesterday.
The thing is you kind of get a mental image of each of them - sort of why The Goons worked so well on radio but would have never transferred to TV. I see Sussie as a 15 year old girl who is experiencing PMT for the first time. I see BK in pink fluffy slippers etc. with a picture of “his queen” smiling (or a close approximation thereof - given the botox) benevolently. I think Florrie was a small but irritating “Furby”
It's also hard to credit that 30 years later, after a crushing defeat, nothing has been learned, and you return to the same old crap like an alcoholic returning to the bottle.
Does anyone know where you can download one of those computer programs that analyses people's literary styles? Maybe they just use the same manual! Jajajaja!
You see we see Argentina as ours and we want you out so we can call Argentina by its rightful name Large Britain.
Well in a democracy we're allowed to voice our concerns, you know; freedom of speech and all that stuff.
So you can kiss my arse Think.
LOL, I think this could be a case of of the FI applying uti juris posedis - Argentina's pet legal principle in their sovereignty claims.
@41 I prefer my version ...
Well......... in a democracy we're also allowed to choose you know; freedom of choice and all that stuff.....
So, I choose not do what you would like me to do.
(I still appreciate your Kelper sincerity and situational awareness though......:-)
Saunders was never a whaling station........
Just one question then, oh font of all knowledge, ( or should that be fount? ) never mind. anyway where was I? oh yeah
“Who wants 3,000 retards unable to build a community college, a 5 star hotels, a shopping mall, a first class restaurant since 1982.” this little gem.
If the falkland islands are so backward and so useless then why, for the love of all that is holy, why does KFC want them so much? huh?
and another question. If you love Argentina ssssssooooooo much, why do you live in porksville? ( USA )
Sovereignty dispute settled!
Men's Hockey score
GB 4 Argentina 1
;-)
as we would not want to upset CFK before the shock, as this may spoil the fun.
“Islanders, being full UK citizens can not decided,”
Yes they can as most of them were born in the Islands, many families have lived there for several generations.
“If UK and islanders need to appeal to the “self-determination” principle is because they know that history and “papers” are not on their side”
The history is on their side, but not the twisted history given by Argentina to the UN in the 1960's which has been exposed by Pepper and Pascoe to be innaccurate.
“but why do not they tell the world why the Falklands are british, with strong arguments and not biased information written by the MLA´s.”
And the Argentine information isn't biased? What about the lies told by Argentina about Britain evicting civilian settlers in 1833?
@37
“Britain abandoned the islands in 1774”
Spain abandoned the Islands in 1811, and?
“The Arana-Southern treaty has nothing to do with the Falkland islands”
Why did Argentine protests over the Falkland Islands cease after it was signed?
“Learn more about history, ”
Looks like you need to do more research before you lecture others to do so.
If The United Provinces of the River Plate claimed to inherit Spain's claim to the Falkland Islands in 1810/1816 can you explain why Spain did not drop its claim on East Falkland till 1863?
Any intelligent person can work out from these facts that if Spain had handed its claim to the United Provinces of the River Plate, it would have dropped its own claim in 1816.
@30
“Some gauchos resisted this new administration”
The gauchos led by Rivero did not resist the new administration, they were angry at Vernet's people for paying them in valueless currency. When Rivero murdered several people they included a frenchmen and settlers from the River Plate region-it was not aimed at the British but at Vernet. Indeed in 1833 Captain Onslow persuaded the gaucho's to stay and paid them in Silver- Rivero was happy to stay under British rule.
Over to you.
Brainwash anybody ??
Specialist? Tony Bliar perhaps?
Right, this so called British“referendum” is beginning to look like one of Sadam Husein past democratic elections :-)))
Wishful thinking on your behalf. Don't worry, Marcos, the UK will support the Falklanders by sending experts in international and of writing treaties etc to assist the Falkland Islands Government.
The UN will be asked to supply impartial observers to ensure no interference or 'irregularities' in the voting system, such as, for example, the Argentine government trying to 'buy' votes, which is, as I understand it, their modus operandi.
@37 No, nazi, Britain didn't abandon its settlement. It evacuated it. An important difference. The Nootka Sound conventions have nothing to do with the Falklands. The Arana-Southern Treaty refers specifically to a return to a state of “perfect friendship”. “Perfect friendship” with an outstanding dispute? You krauts never learn, do you? Here's a thought for you, brain-dead. We have video of argie compulsory “Malvinas” brainwashing. You can't find “the Falklands” in any British educational curriculum. You have nothing but latino-nazi lies!
@45 WHEN you get a real democracy, you're going to die, Twinky. The “people” will remember your elitist, thieving, CFK-ass licking ways.
@53 Anything is better than LatAm corruption. Never mind. Go on pushing for a little while longer and the cesspits of LatAm will cease to exist. Venezuela, Bolivia, argieland are top of the list. Watch the skies!!
The Nootka sound conventions DO have much to do with the falkland islands. Read them, please.
So, stop saying lies!
OHH what the difference , evacuated and abandoned! Tell me why did Britain abandon the islands? It is not written, but it must have been contractual and not voluntary.
I hope your pirateland can afford the military base in FI for a long time, to keep you safe......
Do not talk too bad about “Argieland”, your parents and grandparents or your “piraten colleagues” in pirateland were fed by its meat, corn, wheat, etc. Oh, you seem to be aggresive like some Argentines like CFK. The alimentation might have already damaged or modified your genetic info.
Do not lie, learn about history and try not to be biased.
I shall research the Nootka sound convention but it would be better for your argument if you provided it, detailing where it goes against Britain.
Britain was not the only country to evacuate the Falkland Islands, Soain did also in 1811.
The question is that if Argetniona/The United Provinces of the River Plate inherited the claim to the Islands;
1/- Where is the ducumentation/treaty that handed over the Islands from Spain to the United Provinces of the River Plate?
2/- Why did Spain keep claiming the East Island till 1866?
3/-What part of West Falkland did Vernet occupy?
“Tell me why did Britain abandon the islands? It is not written, but it must have been contractual and not voluntary.”
What evidence have you that Britain's withdrawl was not voluntary?
Britsh and American seaers were present for a long time, using Port Egmont and other harbours on the Islands, Vernet and Co was not the only person to live on the Islands. The sealers did not build a permanent community but British sealers were contnously involved in commercial activity in and around all parts of the Islands.
“tell the piraten Cameron, Hague, Haywood about the Arana-southern treaty”
The treaty exists and is relevant. If the Argentines has a stae of perfect friendship withthe UK then explain when falklnd Islanders were in their 2nd/3rd generations why the sttae of friendship was perfect if there was aterritorial dispute.
Why did the Argentine protests to the UK cease after 1850?
“Do not lie, learn about history and try not to be biased”
You need to learn about history as well my friend.
It is a blatant lie to say (ie @30) that Rivero and his gauchos resisted British administration in 1833. His problem (if you actually analyse rather than skim over history) was with the worthless paper currency being issued by Vernet's men. Rivero felt he was being robbed. When he and his men were paid in Silver by Captain Onslow of HMS Clio, Rivero was more than happy to accept British rule.
If they can get even a nibble, it will please there masters and get a bonus,,,,
The catch, is not to allow them to hook you,
And that couldn’t be any easier, just for proof,
And the bait worms itself back into the ground .lol.
www.falklandshistory.org/
After reading this let me know what you think.
So you are saying that you are not Glaswegian?
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