Argentina surprised by Germany, which voted against granting a loan at the IDB
“We’re a free country with dignity and national pride; we are nobody’s employee or subordinate” challenged Argentine president Cristina Fernandez after it was revealed that the US, Spain and Germany at the Inter American Development bank (IDB) had voted against granting the country a loan.
“Still in this world, which has fallen and collapsed, in a world that was shown as ideal, they insist on punishing us because we are the bad example of a country that can build and stand up with no outside tutelage” said the Argentine president in reference to the negative vote from the three countries for a 60 million dollars from the multilateral IDB which was finally approved.
“We are an example of a country that votes for a president, who then makes the decisions, we are an example that despite the most brutal of global crises we have managed to grow more than in the last 200 years of history”, added the president during a rally for the inauguration of infrastructure works.
The Argentine president recalled that during the mandate of her late husband, Nestor Kirchner (2003/07) he sent the IMF “to hell” and targeted those economists and political leaders who preached “we were not prepared or that we were not brave enough”.
Cristina Fernandez also talked about foreign policy and underlined the economic alliance prevalent among Latinamerican countries. “Yes, you can have a foreign policy that acknowledges our Latinamerican brothers which is our real home and the strategic association here in South America”.
Before there were “some who looked north dazzled and used to say ‘why be friends with the neighbours that are poor’, it was better ‘to be friends with the rich’”.
Finally Cristina Fernandez pledged her government will not yield. “Not a step back for Argentina from any of the conquests achieved”.
However, the block position from the three countries at the IDB board took the Argentine government by surprise, not so much the US (which is demanding Argentina complies with pending international rulings on investments favourable to US companies), or Spain (furious over the seizure of YPF from Repsol), but rather Germany.
The challenge ahead is the World Bank where the developed countries have a greater influence and voting power than at the IDB, Allegedly Argentine diplomacy is counting with support from the BRIC members, Brazil, China, Russia and India and the developing countries. These are hard times for Argentina with no access to voluntary money markets.
The World Bank has provided and can provide: in what rests of the year, a billion dollars are earmarked for Argentina.
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The next time you are all famished like in the 1940s, when Argentina fed all the big European countries, the UK, Germany, France during the war, and after WWII Spain and Italy, saving all those blighted nations from certain starvation, we will laugh in your faces and gladly watch your children starve.
That's the official Argetine stance is it or are you just on one of your rants?
Chuckle chuckle.
You didn't answer my question so I'll assume it's just a rant and that the official Argentine response isn't in part “...we will laugh in your faces and gladly watch your children starve”
Chuckle chuckle.
Isn't there a gear-box factory in Mendoza that is German owned? I hope Merkel knows what's gonna happen.
Your response to this seems at odds to your position of isolation.
As opposed to the British motto “Give us your land or you will give us your land”?
JB, it may not be “Argentina” position now, but rest assured my generation if you read the comments here about how we feel about Europe, North America, and Latin America, will be 100 WORSE than CFK from your perspective.
But do you believe in going it alone or do you want to borrow money from Europe?
...and that's why you need to ask to borrow money from others, because you aren't our subordinate and your economy's booming? OK, just checking.
If $60m is so little then why do Argentina need to borrow it? I assume to pay off some other foreign debt.
Sorry but it doesn't make sense. The loan must be some sort of gimmick to use it for “schools” in order to have a really low rate to pay back, and use treasury money for other matters.
Well it's obvious that the RG government doesn't understand international politics or Germany.
Germans are not stupid and they like making money. They're not fond of corruption, especially corrupt governments who refuse to pay back money loaned to them in good faith.
See why throw good money after bad?
Poor CFK, screeching one minute about how Argentina doesn't need any help, then scrabbling around like mad try to get money out of other countries to prop up her failing economic model. Not even her new bestest friends the Chinese were fooled (very canny people the Chinese).
Fine. What you will never get is us being friends with you. All Argentines dislike you, Euroepans.
Can anyone think of a single European that will shed a tear over this?
You are nothing special.
CFK - yes, i do question her intelligence and rather than comment on her intellectual capacity you should be more concerned that she should be under intense care in a mental illness asylum.
Economic growth in Argentina? Really, tell me what your real growth is when adjusted for inflation. Enjoy economic isolation, just like North Korea?
And you are significant, how? :)
@39
Not of the rest of the world. You all hate us, insult us, think of us as inferior... how do you want to be treated by us based on such behavior? :)
I won't deny that perspicacious aperçu on your part. Unlike you, I can engage in self-criticism.
So it's everyone else's fault that Argentina behaves as it does. A bit like the chicken and the egg scenario.
In any case, I think I have a way forward for Argentina. Why not consolidate all your debts into one easy, affordable monthly payment? Carol Vordemann can supply the details. Just tune into Channel 4 most afternoons in the gaps between the programmes.
No one outside the UK ever sees it. Everyone thinks you are irrepresibly incapable of self-critique. If you don't show it to the world, no one believes it.
When has any single solitary Brit here have said the UK has done anything wrong? In every news story it is ”we are right, Argentina/France/Argentina/Chile/Argentina/USA/Argentina/Brazil/Argentina/Germany/Argentina/Spain/Argentina/Iran/Argentina/Ecuador/Argentina/Italy/Argentina/Scotland/Argentina/China/Argentina/Russia/Argentina is wrong.
We don't think of you as inferior, you are inferior. This is a fact.
The UK was WRONG to send Ecuador a letter offering them a way out of the Assange affair referring to the ability rescind the Embassy's credentials - Ecuador's government didn't have the diplomatic skills to understand the subtlety of the offer.
The UK was WRONG to run down its defences of the Falklands prior to 1982 because Argentina misread that action as a signal and it cost us lives and money to right that mistake.
There are plenty of other mistakes the UK government has made. Standing up for the right of the Falklanders to determine their own future isn't one of them, especially in the face of a belligerent neighbour like Argentina.
LOL, you are silly. I guess it must suck though, losing to inferiors twice when you tried to get tour gubby thieving colonial hands on Buenos Aires. And not even defeated by an army, defeated by citizens with pots and boiling oil.
The only thing superior about your country Beef is your Mad Cow infection rate. Good night!
You sent the same loser troops (or at least the same type) that stole South Africa both from the Boers and Blacks, and which had taken Australia some years before.
And given you were supposedly the best trained army of the time, fighting against civilians that had never received proper training and never set foot in Spain for any sort of “driven by loyalty” to fight...makes that loss even more embarrasing. and TWICE. I mean to lose one time is bad enough, but do it again with 5 times the number of soldiers is utterly inept.
@42
Trust me, I totally can relate to those examples. Argentian was WRONG in ever having friendly relations with the British in the 1880-1950 period, when you are not friendly or trustworthy people in the slightest.
My bad. I know where you come from you learn by age 3 to disregard such words when coming out of the maul of your compatriots.
The “self pity/ victim-ometer” has gone off scale today!
If (when) they say “no” to the friable economies of the UK, or France, Spain, Italy, USA, even Germany... your countries disintegrate. You have to tap the capital markets daily to roll-over past debts and to incur new debts because of your deficits. Take that away and you simply cease to function, no hospitals, no garbage collection, no shiny military ships, no schools, and massive unrest and violence.
That's the difference between Argentina being told “no” and your countries facing that same answer: we survive and in fact go on much the same, you all collapse to oblivion.
Given the (actual) RG rate of inflation, the rates of interest (about 4000% APR) shouldn't be too bad.
You've screwed up your economics there. The UK is in a very different position to all the other nations you rattled off (other than the USA). Care to guess why? The UK is in a position that Argentina is striving but failing to return to.
The reason you 'survive' is because you are at the bottom of the heap with nowhere further to fall
I don't think we are at the bottom of the heap when we are richer than over 80% of the nations of the world.
Germans have a lot business linked with Argentina and currently have surplus in trade.
Someone has to remind Angela that there are close to 4 million Germans currently living in Argentina.
Anyway better to don’t get loans specially form the MOB.
www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=--ehHyD_BHk
www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqIHKWd9rSc
www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSBMXsx1O6I
Aug 31st, 2012 - 05:27 am
Time of need? But you said Argentina was doing just fine. You don't need the outside world. You don't need loans. What gives?
Perhaps you should live in the now and determine why your own government represses your own economic liberty?
Be happy with your insignificance, it is your lot in life.
Some deportations sound in order.
@57
Lost in translation.... “Hour of need” in Spanish is more broad and means any point when you may need some support of any kind, it doesn't have to be a dire condition like in English.
@58
Well I was born after the Falklands, so what the 'f” are you bleating about thinks beyond the memory of my generation old wanker?
Don't worry about our economic liberty, worry about your liberty (period). Remember you are not free in London, you are not a private citizen and you are always under big brother. Like it?
Hey, in 2014 when we eliminate you “again” in the WC get back to me about insignificance. You will die and England, because of us, will not bin another WC. Its your lot in life.
Aug 31st, 2012 - 08:56 am
PMSL!
Quick get the “chip on the shoulder” crash trolley! He is gonna blow!
Go to bed you daft racist, and stop smashing youre fists into the keyboard in the hope you actually say something coherent!
Don't worry, even if Argentina boycotts FIFA like it did from the late 30s to the late 50s (because as expected, the Europeans stabbed us in the back in 1938), england still woudn't win.
Go to bed and fantasise about all the things that Argentina did before you were born.
The 1938 World Cup was to be held in Argentina (Uruguay 1930, Italy 1934) to respect the Europe/South America rotation, but you Euro wankers decided to (as you always have done), break the agreement.
You have no honor, so that's OK.
@TTT
Argentina's hour of need - what ? to get away with someone elses money again?
You lot have form for reneging on paying your debts. That fact has no come home to roost.
CFK is ruining your economy and no one will lend to a country that will stick it's 2 fingers up to you and refuse to pay you back a loan. Once bitten, twice shy.
Despite my own countries appalling debt mountain(too many people buying crap with money they did'nt own and the same with the govt) - at least I can say that we pay up.
I'm just providing with glaring examples of why Argentina has such a dim view of Europe as a dishonorable place.
fifa is not run by Europe!!!
22 men kicking a pig's bladder around a patch of grass, more important things for you to worry about.
Argentina harbouring nazi war criminals from 1945 = um err what? Retaliation for not letting you host a show?
TIT you should give up your studies, you have a promising carrer as a comedian.
Can you blame any respectable lender for doubting Arg's ability/willingness to repay any loans?
Your comments on this board prove your immaturity, the sad fact is it is exactly that immaturity that the Arg gov leads by. You are a very angry, arrogant & childish race and are deserving of the mess you are making for yourselves.
Enjoy your life with your tin pot dictators.
1882 Latzina Map
Detail from the 1882 Latzina Map, Mapa Geográfico de la República Argentina…, Buenos Aires 1882. The Falklands are marked in a blank beige colour, like Chile or Uruguay but unlike Argentina, which is marked much darker and with shaded relief. (The curved orange lines are isotherms indicating average temperatures.)
What is so important about this map, is that this is the very map that played a significant role in the territorial dispute over the Beagle Channel Islands between Argentina and Chile.
In 1977 a court of arbitration consisting of judges from The International Court of Justice ruled that they belonged to Chile, pointing out (among other things) that they are marked on the 1882 Latzina map as if they were outside Argentina.
That is noteworthy, given that the Falklands are also marked in blank beige, just like the three Beagle Channel islands.
Additionally, It was financed by the Argentine Foreign Ministry and published in 120,000 copies, distributed to Argentine consulates all over the world to attract immigrants to Argentina.
So Argentina in 1882 acknowledged that the Falkland Islands were not Argentine.
You certainly love to go off topic. Why bother with 1938 surely you should be more concerned that the World Cup has not been to South America since 1978!!!!
Perhaps it was because of the corruption in SA!!!!!
... no problem with that position at all, but please don't keep stepping forward with your hands open looking for money from the countries you clearly despise so much. Do it on your OWN! I appealed to my MP to stop the UK handing out cash to Argentina.
Can anyone tell me how much the Arg gov still owes (apart from the 11Billion they still owe to Repsol)?
At first it was all “OMFG WE'RE STANDING UP TO THE WHOLE WORLD AND WINNING!!!!1!”
and suddenly Germany refuses to drop some cash in your begging bowl and now it's more like “*SOB* HOW COULD YOU DO THIS TO US IN OUR TIME OF NEED *WAIL*”
Brilliant. It just begs the question, are all argentines bipolar psychopaths or just most of them?
CFK lifted half her rant from that at the C24 travesty..
It wasn't until I read on that I find they have sanctioned the loan anyway.
The absolute stupidity of this woman bad-mouthing the hand that feeds her!
Mind you, given the juvenile rant of TTT about isolating Europe et al, these people deserve one another.
But let's not forget that the GDP of Germany alone is far higher than the whole of south america and the GDP of London alone is far higher than Argentina.
And as to football - England v Argentina:
England: Won 6 Drew 2 Lost 2.
Poor argies.
You reep what you sow Christian. BTW why are you asking for a loan anyone, I thought you were telling us all how you were paying off all the debt accumulated since 2001 not borriwing more?
“Still in this world, which has fallen and collapsed, in a world that was shown as ideal, they insist on punishing us because we are the bad example of a country that can build and stand up with no outside tutelage” That is we can stand up for ourselves but we just dont have the money.- What a nonsense statement that one was,
Mr TTT we Europeans gave your country the gift of life what more do you want!?
You surely need to get out more often...and by out, I mean out of the country, to see how things work in Argentina from a perspective.
Aug 31st, 2012 - 09:58 am
Ah but you see that is why 'they' won't use the ICJ. They know what the answer is going to be.
The facts are that Argentina is regarded as an international pariah state by international money lenders. If the comedy club are going after international loans then it shows that they are fast running out dollars and will have no option but to devalue the peso again.
“The World Bank has provided and can provide: in what rests of the year, a billion dollars are earmarked for Argentina.” It seems like they are begging again. Don't they know that if they take the loans they are beholden to the lenders?
what does argentina expect, The international community is not its people something argentina fails to understand, you treat countries like sh*t expect that sh*t to come back 10 fold, yet you still havent learnt, which makes a fool.
Toxic trouts poisonous outbursts have proven IMF made the correct descion,
sorry its more bread and water for agrentina
Nah we'll just buckle down and get on with things, the second world war almost bankrupted us, but we didn't stick fast. We don't sit around all day drinking camp & complaining, we just get on with things.
You are past the point of no return, your debt is too high and the budget already taken to the limit. Since the UK insist on wasting their money on aircraft carriers they will never use (who is interested in attacking the UK, what strategic importance do you have in the 21st century?), you are just burning your cash in unnecesary military expenditures. Thus you will keep cutting inside the UK, to the point you may even cut basic police and health. But hey, still have those shiny ships. Hopefully the sick UK children will get a tour of them. After all they will pay for them with their health.
How do you think CFKC is going to pay her voters welfare when the loan money doesn't come in? That must be concerning her.
You seem very keen to crtiise everyone else but perfectly fine with the idea of taking those richer economies money in the form of loans. If Argentina is so inpendent then why does it seem reliane ton international investment, trade surplus, and loans from government organsitation.
At least I dont pretend that the UK hasnt got record borrowing levels. The difference is the credit ratings as i explianed above show that the UK is more reliable for its money mostly due to decreasing inflation which makes the uk pound stronger interntaional and allows the UK to borrow against a proven performance in the inflation rate of the pound. I would hazard a guess that the reason the interntional community is getting nervous is the inflation which could make it much much ahrder for Argentina to get the money it needs to service the debt payments.
UK milatry spending BTW is only 2.6% so is a tiny fraction of the budget, so the building of Aircraft carriers makes little to no difference on other aspects of UK spending. Our current problem is a benifits system which encouages people not to work. I look forward to a conservative government cporrecting this. yes the UK has problems but it is consered by the intenrtional world to be stable and able to cope. We are seeing the oppopsite with regards Argentina tho.
You do not need a military because Ass Lips decimatted it and Soy and Shale oil if not a priority.
argentina is a like a wooden sailor living in the age of steel ships.
You really need to change that motto if you expect people to lend you money :-)
Britain's sovereign debt is high, admittedly, but due to us being considered one of the lowest lending risks in the world it isn't even remotely unmanageable yet.
RGs harp on all the time about how the credit rating system doesn't matter/is biased against LatAm countries/whatever while remaining totally blind to the constant downward spiral of theft their country is in.
Simple answer is, if you default on your debts then turn to thieving foreign capital to cover your budget shortfalls...foreign institutions aren't going to want to lend to you. If your government has a track record of defaulting on it's debts then responding to ICJ judgements in favour of their creditors with *LOTS OF RETARDED PATRIOTIC CHESTBEATING* and refusals to pay up...foreign institutions aren't going to want to lend to you.
And now it becomes apparent that foreign institutions are wary of lending money to Argentina, the constant argtard verbal diarrhea changes from “WE DON'T NEED YOU, ARGTARDIA STRONG, ARGTARDIA SMASH!” to more plaintive crying and playing-the-victim.
To paraphrase: you made your bed, Argies. Time to lay in it :)
Before TTT lost the plot he used to say that he hated the CFK government. He has now lost his rag so much though that he would argue against a European that black was actually white. Doesn't bother me, I'm not European and I doubt it bothers many Europeans because they probably dismiss his rants as those of a fanatic.
TTT is content with the status-quo of the Falklands and that's all I come on Mercopress to discuss pretty much, so all is good.
BTW what ever happened to the Bank of the South? I thought that is where all of SA was going to get their loans.
And Colombia is now the #2 economy in SA with Arg falling to 3rd.
Every year falling further behind...
Would you consider taking over the role of Chancellor of the Exchequer in the UK. ? You seem to think that you are eminently suitable for the post.
How about chairman of the IMF, then all the world's fiscal problems could be solved.
I suppose sitting in the nether-end of nowhere, it gives you a different perspective on life.
And being aged 18 helps.
You remember the old HR joke? Quick, we want some experts on everything! Don't worry, go out and hire a teenager!
So true of TTT.
I meant to say thanks for coming on here and saying that. I know a few pretty well-off (through hard work not old money) Argentines. I work with two in particular in my travels. They both work in the same industry as me and they often introduce me to various friends and family of theirs. They have close family, business and social ties that extend to the UK, Europe and America and they travel there regularly. THEY HATE CFK and they apologise to me on a regular basis about the Falklands issue. They are absolutely certain that it is British and that Argentina should stay the hell out of it.
Just sayin...
Colombia NOMINAL Gdp: 310 billion
Argentina NOMINAL Gdp: 430 billion (and this is deceiving, since inflation revalues the peso this 2010 is well below what it should be, prob around 480 billion now).
Are your math skills as good as your shooting skills? You will be dead soon, those mass shootings up there.... you need to either hide or be a good straight shooter to survive in the USA.
@105
You are wrong with your verbal use. I just put country before party. And given the choice between CFK and being friends with Europe or the USA, I choose CFK, as a good patriot would do when confronted by evil outsiders.
That reply is also for @103... yes and I also find it cowardly CFK does not answer to the media, but don't fool yourself. Sucking up the Europeans and AMericans here won't do you any good. They see you as an inferior human being, and will discard you at the first chance they get.
WTF is verbal use?? Speak normally.
Colombia’s economy was $15 billion larger than Argentina’s, taking into account the IMF’s gross domestic product data and an exchange rate of 6.37 Argentine pesos per dollar, Echeverry said. In Argentina’s unregulated exchange market, in which investors buy assets locally in pesos and sell them abroad for dollars, the peso has slid 27 percent this year to 6.5247 per dollar. That compares with an official rate of 4.6355.
“With this exchange rate, I can make the announcement that I retire leaving the Colombian economy as the second biggest in South America, and the third largest in Latin America,” Echeverry said yesterday in the Caribbean coastal city of Barranquilla.
www.businessweek.com/news/2012-08-31/colombia-overtakes-argentina-in-size-of-economy-echeverry-says
You do know I have proclaimed the USA the most immoral place on Earth right? You know, with all the mass shootings.
Don't you have ANY self-shame, and admit your country is a hell-hole? I will keep bringing mass shootings up until you admit it.
'Columbia's finance chief, looking to become the IMF top official in Latin America, boasted that his economy has overtaken Argentina's as the regions third biggest as a result of the Argentine Peso's slide on the unregulated currency market.'
Argentina is now a fourth rate country in Latin America.
Well done Cristina!
Even for a second let assume they were, if he is the chief finanacial officer of Colombia, man are they in trouble. Does the poor dummy realize that his fantasy would require the peso devaluing and inflation being ZERO?? Then you have a true GDP shrinkage in “international nominal” terms.
But the peso is 27% lower, and inflation is 30-35%... isn't that right?? (hahahaha)
As such, Argentina GDP actually expands 3-5%, given the expansion in internal prices...
Really, who are yankeeboy, Brit Bob and their Colombian pimp trying to fool? This is the real world where people are much smarter than you guys, and those of us that have not graduated from economics understand it far better than you, given the pathetic spiel you are foisting.
You are lucky you can still afford internet my guess is you work at a locutorio with Think though....
You say:
“The 99% is strong and stupid here”
I say:
I have news for you.................... That's called D-E-M-O-C-R-A-C-Y.
You say:
“We have no idea how to get rid of her”
I say:
With the disrespect you how to democracy, I “Think” you surely have some “ideas”...
We have tried them in the past...
Nunca Más
El Think
Chubut, Argentina.
Democracy died a long time ago...
Hahaha, you know I destroyed your argument.
Colombia GDP = 2 pesos
Argentina GDP = 3 pesos
Argentina's peso devalues 50% against gold... no increase in wages or internal prices =
Colombia GDP = 2 pesos
Argentina GDP = 1.5 pesos
Argentina's peso devalues 50% but internal prices rice 75%...
Colombia GDP =2 pesos
Argentina GDP = 1.5 + 2.25 (75% of 3 due to internal inflation) = 3.75
Check-mate my mass shooting citizen.
Since you have your panties in wad over it maybe you should get your finance minster to call their finance minister and file a formal complaint.
Everyone knows that every year, year in and year out since Peron Argentina falls further down the GDP by Country list.
I think it is a fastest falling country over the last 75 years but go ahead and try to prove me wrong if you can. Right now you are just above Austria do you think you will still be above them next year...I doubt it.
The fact you are not brining in the 'last 75' years argument is proof your original bait was utter failure and now you need to expand it to the historical reality that Argentina did underperform.
It may work to fool the low IQ's abundant here, but I'm 3 steps ahead of you yankee.
I hope that noise was not gun-shots outside your penthouse.
Poor yankee... his brain is overheating from my IQ blitz.
Steady on Elaine, I've just eaten. Christ!
On the road once again my fellow-itinerant person. Well, itinerant is an exaggeration but sometimes I feel like that! How much are you on the road? This year has been crazy for me. I'm too weary to tally it all up properly right now but it's got to be about 13 weeks and too many countries so far. More to come yet. Looking forward to getting back to the islands shortly. No travel after that for the rest of September and no travel (touch-wood) at all for all of December.
October's is looking exciting Elaine. If you work for who I suspect you do do you know what I am talking about?
Chuckle chuckle.
I guess you know where you fall in that line, hahaha.
Chuckle chuckle
mhwahaha
Change this word into another word using all of the letter:
ARGENTINO
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Answer: IGNORANTE
Chuckle chuckle
I am not sure exactly as it varies from year to year but usually at least seven months away from the UK. This year will probably only be five months as I turned down an assignment for the first time this summer. Trip are usually a minimum of six weeks and I try to have an upper limit of three month or I start going native. : )
bratish = churlish rapscallion
bretish = ressembling a hard piece of wood (archaic)
brotish = slang for ignorant british person (rare)
brutish = evincing low intellect or coarse manners
put them alltogether ? BRItish.
ahahahahahaha
Ah ha. My trips tend to be shorter (1- 3 weeks) but quite a few of them. I sometimes wake up and forget where I am. This year has been too much. I woke up the other morning and I am sure I was properly awake. I was even looking around the very dim hotel room (don't you love jet lag) and I couldn't for the life of me work out where I was. I know all of my frequent flyer numbers and both of my passport numbers and dates and places of issue and expiration off by heart. That's just wrong.
The United Nations distributed this questionnaire:
'What is your opinion on how to reduce food shortages in the rest of the world?'
The European replied: What is shortage?’
The African replied: What is food?
The Chinese replied: What is opinion?
The American replied: What is the rest of the world?”
:(
He jumped off his ego.
An idiot savant is a Brit, but useful somehow.
hahahaha.
Latam: We've got loads of it but we are so stupid that we cant be bothered to use it or any other natural resources we have. And so we import loads of it and allow are producers and lower classes to suffer.
Oh, I hear that Soya is above $650 a ton today. You see, I told you, providence shines on Argentina again. .
German ancestry constitute about 7.5% of the Argentine population —over 3 million—, most of them Volga
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_Germans
Smoking here is like drinking there. We have a shortage of lungs, you have a shortage of livers.
I exercise a lot also. Walking is good. I also like to jog and swim. I'm on the road a lot but I always try to stay in hotels with good gyms or that are near good beaches for walking.
@138 Yeah, I've had a few 'where am I' moments as I move around a lot. Mostly I love my work but there are times when I get heartily sick of living out of a suitcase. : )
Joe
Glad to see you are still a Condorito fan.
TTT @ 139
You forgot one line:
The Chilean replied: No estoy ni ahi weon!
I don't know how to say that in RG.
TTT @ 2
RG food shipments to Europe were not charity, they were paid for. RG benefited greatly.
I love my job too. No two days are ever the same and no two clients are ever the same. But the travel! I actually love to travel but sometimes it's a drag. I always count the length of my trips by the number of nights. My wife always counts them by the number of weekends. Hmm. I always completely unpack my suitcase the moment I check in unless it's only one or two nights which is hardly ever.
Good night one and all.
The world is united against Argentina, has been for decades and decades. Half of it is our fault, I won't deny it.
Oh well. I have perfectly normal Chilean feet, size 43 (US 10, UK 9).
The work well and I don't fall over.
Running: Drop kids at school, then down to the beach, take off normal sized shoes and run barefoot. I run along the firm sand by the shore for speed, then move up to the deep soft sand for harder work.
I have a funny image now of you two with clown sized feet ( not you Elaine).
I love you you cheeky little bird. LOL!
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I take a number 48 in your language I am afraid. Not that size matters. I'm not that tall either; only 6' 1”. I know loads of taller guys with smaller shoes.
Now I really am going. No free wifi in my hotel and I will NOT pay £10 / day for it. That is something that South America has got right and the UK hasn't.
This revelation came about a long time ago, when I first started here, when your compatriot Chichureo made a comment out of the blue that Argentine women are slim and pretty but that they have really large feet compared to Chilean women. So it went from there... that it must be the meat diet, the Patagonian Indians (you know the myth), etc.
I wasn't expecting you would say number 48. That's large indeed, you are virtually my size, which is why I always prep people by saying “it's an extremely large number”. I'm a 49-50, I'm your height pretty much (1.84). Usually another guy will say “45” as being big, so I thought you were around that and didn't want to blindside you. If your feet are as big as mine, you are indeed screwed. :(
Guanaco maybe beyond my tasting limit. I want to try jabali and rabbit first.
Half of it is our fault, I won't deny it.
lol
Its took you almost 24hrs of posting shite and lies to finally admit a half truth!!!
Good to see youve calmed down and the meds have kicked in.
I have no idea what you just said, but CFK is still a tyrant, Omnipotent and anti-democratic.
She has the 99% in her pocket cause she has brainwashed them with Football para Todos, Plan Nacer, Plan Crecer, Plan Casa, Plan Auto, Plan Heladera, Plan Embarazada, etc etc.
Hang on to your hat, cause we are in for a bumpy ride my friend o foe.
I can highly recommend jabali. Down in the lakes region on either side of the border there is plenty (I am sure you know that). Guanaco is great, I tried it in San Pedro de Atacama as a grilled anticucho...succulent and similar to filete in taste and tenderness. The other time I tried it was in Punta Arenas as a carpaccio starter, sprinkled with parmesan and capers...delicious.
I also tried llama, which being the domesticated cousin of Guanaco, I thought would be good, but I found it a bit goaty.
I have a friend who is a dilettante chef, meaning amateur but good. He knows how to cook jabali to make it with Patagonian avocado sandwich, one day I will try to see where we can get our hands on some. They don't sell it in every supermarket.
You say:
“Hang on to your hat, because we are in for a bumpy ride my friend o foe”
I say:
Bumpy ride…???
I’m used to bumpy rides; and I do remember them........
Do you…???
04/06/43 - 04/06/46: Rawson/Ramirez/Farrel (DICTATORSHIP)
04/06/46 - 21/09/55: Juan Domingo Perón (Democracy)
21/09/55 - 01/05/58: Lonardi/Aramburu (DICTATORSHIP)
01/05/58 - 29/06/66: Frondizi/Illia (”Supervised” Democracy)
29/06/66 – 25/05/73: Ongania/Levingston/Lanusse (DICTATORSHIP)
25/05/73 - 24/03/76: Peron/Peron (Democratic disaster)
24/03/76 - 10/12/83: Videla/Viola/Galtieri (DICTATORSHIP)
10/12/83 - 08/07/89: Raul Ricardo Alfonsin (Democracy)
08/07/89 - 10/12/99: Carlos Saul Menem (Democracy)
10/12/99 - 20/12/01: Fernando de La Rúa (Democracy)
20/12/01 - 25/05/03: Saá/Duhalde (Democracy)
25/05/03 - ??/??/??: Kirchner/Kirchner (Democracy)
To the best of my recollection, the smoothest rides I (and my Country, Argentina) have had has been:
The Democratic Nestor Kirchner/Cristina Kirchner period….
Close followed by the Democratic Alfonsin period…..
And by the Democratic Frondizi/Illia period…..
Do you have other candidates…???
Your fellow citizen in (a very imperfect) Democracy
El Think
Chubut
2) “The world is united against Argentina, has been for decades and decades.”
synergy
3) “Half of it is our fault, I won't deny it.”
further synergy...
.... shame your head honcho cant do the same.
...just saying.....
A. No one cares
B. His butthurt opinion does not represent his nation.
One trait i have noticed amongst all Argentinians is that they seem to think they matter in the world. No one cares.
Oh Cristina, what a mess.
I was not present in any of the bumpy rides cause I was raised in the United States, and just recently returned to Argentina. So, that is why I am not in agreement with CFK's form of Government. She is a tyrant (a ruler who uses power oppressively or unjustly).
It's a shame that this country is not as united as it should be.
And yes, all the other candidates are a mess. But I hope that they will get their act together soon, for all our sakes.
Your recently return to Argentina from the USA explains a big deal of your “Unfortunate” choice of words….....
Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner’s government has loads of faults ...but it ain't “tyrannical”, ”omnipotent” or ”anti-democratic”.
To cut a long story short……...., would you be so kind to provide us with, lets say, three documented examples that make you “Think” as you apparently “Think”?
For the vast majority of Argentineans (me included), 2012 is paradise compared with 2002…… or 1982…….. or 1976…….. or…………….
Guanaco still is the best meal for the poor chileans residing in Argentina.
Yes, is better than the american beef.
But, eating fish and seafood is economical and better.
”I’m used to bumpy rides; and I do remember them........
Do you…???
04/06/43 - 04/06/46: Rawson/Ramirez/Farrel (DICTATORSHIP)”
Giving you the benfit of the doubt, let's say you were 10 YO when the Dictatorship started in 1943.
So, you are coming up to 80?
A straight answer would do, thank you.
Gold is not susceptible to the same causes of depreciation as most other assets. Like land, it is not depreciated in accounting because it is assumed to have an unlimited useful lifespan. However, gold does depreciate due to market forces. Gold is a popular investment in times of economic recession due to its supposed intrinsic value, but once the economy recovers, the demand for gold dies down and its value depreciates as a result.
In this world no one matters, hate to break it to you. Tomorrow the UK vanishes, the world goes on. Germany or Italy vanish, same. China vanishes, ditto. USA vanishes... the tides will still ebb, the moon will still phase, the sun will still burn, the birds, the fish, and the beasts will still reproduce.
Don't flatter yourself, in the important things on this planet, you and whatever your country is, mean squat.
Getting quite philosophical aren't we !
This is the first posting of yours that I can agree with whole heartedly.
BTW you didn't answer my question do you think Austria will overtake Argentina in 2013 or 2014?
Except to christina regarding beef and lemons?
“Gold is not susceptible to the same causes of depreciation as most other assets. Like land,” or paper money.
“it is not depreciated in accounting because it is assumed to have an unlimited useful lifespan.” as coins.
“ However, gold does depreciate due to market forces. Gold is a popular investment in times of economic recession due to its supposed intrinsic value, but once the economy recovers, the demand for gold dies down and its value depreciates as a result.” never the less do to population growth during economic booms and the fast growing middle class demand for luxury goods, gold will continue to enjoy a stable increase in price compared to say the Argentine peso? I am sure gold coins will help the whole of latin american economy, not just Argentina.
Where on earth did you receive your education?
Examples of why I think the way a think:
1 -Government Controls: CFK is trying to control everything, what we buy, eat, think, where we vacation, dollars, etc etc.
2- State Oppression: Our Liberty is slowly being taken away from us.
3-Local Restrictions: Argentina soon will be stifled by controls and shortages.
Take Cuba's history and that history will show us the future Argentina.
As 'I don't Think' aka The Turnip In Chief has not answered my question in my post 181, does anyone know how old he is?
Given his 'claim' to remember everything since 4th June 1943 he should be approaching 80 or maybe even older.
Thanks. :o)
Gold is a commodity and commodities value fluctuates on market forces. Maybe CFK is telling everyone the treasury has to depreciate gold and that is why there is none left in the treasury. lol
You are completely bonkers, sorry. I mean, you are asylum material. Your country isn't even majority middle class anymore (dissapeared under Bush and Obama), were almost 30% of children are POOR, where unemployment is 15%, where income is down 4,000 dollars per person, and you are writing that crap. I mean what the hell, you think I or everyone else here don't read the news? You think you are the only one with access to CNN or FOX?
LOL, you are so desperate to keep proving the USA is all that, which convinces anyone even more that you have ever increasing doubts... :)
Just a few more nails in the coffin of El Thicko's credibility...
chuckle chuckle etc....
Thanks for the info.
So he could not have remembered anything from the 4th June 1943, UNLESS he was lying about his parents situation.
Either way he is lying, as we expect from The Turnip In Chief.
LOL
#103 “She is bad news and we have no idea how to get rid of her because the 99% is strong”
Eat your heart out bankster =)
#139 Good one!
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