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Argentina surprised by Germany, which voted against granting a loan at the IDB
“We’re a free country with dignity and national pride; we are nobody’s employee or subordinate” challenged Argentine president Cristina Fernandez after it was revealed that the US, Spain and Germany at the Inter American Development bank (IDB) had voted against granting the country a loan. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesDignity? Tee hee.
Aug 31st, 2012 - 05:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina will never forget how Europe wanted Argentina to suffer in our time of need.
Aug 31st, 2012 - 05:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0The next time you are all famished like in the 1940s, when Argentina fed all the big European countries, the UK, Germany, France during the war, and after WWII Spain and Italy, saving all those blighted nations from certain starvation, we will laugh in your faces and gladly watch your children starve.
A ray of sunshine as always, Tobi ;)
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Aug 31st, 2012 - 05:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0That's the official Argetine stance is it or are you just on one of your rants?
Chuckle chuckle.
Just keeping it real on how its gonna be from now on. Never friends with Europe again.
Aug 31st, 2012 - 05:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0Of course, as usual, it's everyone else's fault that Argentina is being flushed, nothing to do with the apathetic population and their strange masochistic need to vote for the most corrupt, incompetent set of twats ever to grace the world of politics. Twice.
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Aug 31st, 2012 - 05:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0You didn't answer my question so I'll assume it's just a rant and that the official Argentine response isn't in part “...we will laugh in your faces and gladly watch your children starve”
Chuckle chuckle.
I meant our time of need when we are requesting something, Argentina is not being flushed. That sound is coming straight fro the UK and EU, I'm afraid (check the economic growth statistics of the last 5 years).
Aug 31st, 2012 - 05:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0Isn't there a gear-box factory in Mendoza that is German owned? I hope Merkel knows what's gonna happen.
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Aug 31st, 2012 - 05:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0Your response to this seems at odds to your position of isolation.
@8 That sounds a bit like extortion to me. “Give us money or we'll steal your property.” How quinessentially Argie ;)
Aug 31st, 2012 - 05:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0@10
Aug 31st, 2012 - 05:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0As opposed to the British motto “Give us your land or you will give us your land”?
JB, it may not be “Argentina” position now, but rest assured my generation if you read the comments here about how we feel about Europe, North America, and Latin America, will be 100 WORSE than CFK from your perspective.
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Aug 31st, 2012 - 05:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0But do you believe in going it alone or do you want to borrow money from Europe?
I don't want to borrow money at all, I would rather they not borrow this money (it's only 60 million, that is not even a day of expenditures surely), but we are still paying debts off... once that ends we won't need to borrow at all. Then we can pursue complete financial isolation.
Aug 31st, 2012 - 06:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0“We’re a free country with dignity and national pride; we are nobody’s employee or subordinate” ...”we are an example that despite the most brutal of global crises we have managed to grow more than in the last 200 years of history”
Aug 31st, 2012 - 06:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0...and that's why you need to ask to borrow money from others, because you aren't our subordinate and your economy's booming? OK, just checking.
You'd think that the Argentines were benefactors to the hungry from the comments above - rather than selling food for profit to both sides in a worldwide war - after which they offered sanctuary to the genocidal leaders of the losing side.
Aug 31st, 2012 - 06:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0If $60m is so little then why do Argentina need to borrow it? I assume to pay off some other foreign debt.
Are you comparing 60 million dollars to any European country or the USA, countries that if barred from borrowing tomorrow would completely disintegrated within days? Argentina has not borrowed in capital markets for 12 years now. We are much more independent than you, trust me.
Aug 31st, 2012 - 06:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0Borrowing money to pay off debts... hmm...anyone would think that might cause some sort of credit crunch or something, good to see Argentina isn't heading for the same mistakes the rest of the world made 6 years ago.
Aug 31st, 2012 - 06:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0You really believe borrowing 60 million is to pay off 3-5 billion? Wow, you must really think very low of CFK's intelligence.
Aug 31st, 2012 - 06:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0Sorry but it doesn't make sense. The loan must be some sort of gimmick to use it for “schools” in order to have a really low rate to pay back, and use treasury money for other matters.
...then why borrow it at all? People do make mistakes, you know, you could admit just this once that this is looking very weird, we wouldn't think any less of you.
Aug 31st, 2012 - 06:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0I wonder what she's done to upset the Germans? Probably nothing other than their new policy of not lending money to untrustworthy borrowers.
Aug 31st, 2012 - 06:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0Again... 60 million. Why not borrow 2 dollars to pay cash? 60 million doesn't cover even cover a couple of hours on a budget of 550 billion pesos, almost 100 billion USS.
Aug 31st, 2012 - 06:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0@20: German voters are already peeved at having to constantly bail out countries who can't watch their coffers. One more mistake and Merkel would be out on her ear. CFK would be the final nail in her coffin.
Aug 31st, 2012 - 06:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0Ah the Argentine National Socialists are surprised by the attitude of the country that many of their ancestors escaped justice from in 1945.
Aug 31st, 2012 - 06:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well it's obvious that the RG government doesn't understand international politics or Germany.
Germans are not stupid and they like making money. They're not fond of corruption, especially corrupt governments who refuse to pay back money loaned to them in good faith.
See why throw good money after bad?
Poor CFK, screeching one minute about how Argentina doesn't need any help, then scrabbling around like mad try to get money out of other countries to prop up her failing economic model. Not even her new bestest friends the Chinese were fooled (very canny people the Chinese).
I do think it's rather odd that she can't borrow it from Brazil? They are after all so close and friendly. Obviously not close enough to lend them money. I just can't get over her laughable view on the world, she may be able to blag other South Americans but her double standards don't wash elsewhere.
Aug 31st, 2012 - 06:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0You can spew all you want guys, that Spain and Germany voted against us, that France and the United Kingdom are together against Argentina about the Falklands, that Italy does not support us in the Paris Club because of the Italian pensioners owed bonds... etc.
Aug 31st, 2012 - 06:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0Fine. What you will never get is us being friends with you. All Argentines dislike you, Euroepans.
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Aug 31st, 2012 - 06:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0Can anyone think of a single European that will shed a tear over this?
Oh, but you will. You claim you don't, but you can't stand people not idolizing you. You are a continent of divas, always wanting attention and adulation on how “great” you are in your own minds.
Aug 31st, 2012 - 07:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0You are nothing special.
TTT - we do not want your friendship. You are also to insignificant to be even considered an enemy.
Aug 31st, 2012 - 07:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0CFK - yes, i do question her intelligence and rather than comment on her intellectual capacity you should be more concerned that she should be under intense care in a mental illness asylum.
Economic growth in Argentina? Really, tell me what your real growth is when adjusted for inflation. Enjoy economic isolation, just like North Korea?
You have a very odd view of the rest of the world.
Aug 31st, 2012 - 07:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0@28
Aug 31st, 2012 - 07:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0And you are significant, how? :)
@39
Not of the rest of the world. You all hate us, insult us, think of us as inferior... how do you want to be treated by us based on such behavior? :)
@27: As Argentina has a history of idolizing it's leaders and developing cults of personality around them only North Korea has bettered, I find your accusations a bit rich.
Aug 31st, 2012 - 07:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0@31
Aug 31st, 2012 - 07:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0I won't deny that perspicacious aperçu on your part. Unlike you, I can engage in self-criticism.
People in the UK criticise themselves and their government the whole time it's part of our culture. I'm yet to see at least one of you argies say “yep, we mess up sometimes and maybe our government is wrong”. That's why we consider you brainwashed, even if you aren't, you provide little evidence of it.
Aug 31st, 2012 - 07:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0” You all hate us, insult us, think of us as inferior... how do you want to be treated by us based on such behavior? :)”
Aug 31st, 2012 - 07:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0So it's everyone else's fault that Argentina behaves as it does. A bit like the chicken and the egg scenario.
Makes me so happy that no grant was agreed upon!!! They dont deserve it
Aug 31st, 2012 - 07:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0I find it more than a bit odd that Argentina, with its dodgy credit history together with its policies of protectionism, theft of other countries assets (YPF) and general rabble rousing diplomatically, should complain when other countries aren't lining up to lend it money. What didi they expect, ffs, or do they genuinely believe their own bullsh1t?
Aug 31st, 2012 - 07:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0In any case, I think I have a way forward for Argentina. Why not consolidate all your debts into one easy, affordable monthly payment? Carol Vordemann can supply the details. Just tune into Channel 4 most afternoons in the gaps between the programmes.
@33
Aug 31st, 2012 - 07:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0No one outside the UK ever sees it. Everyone thinks you are irrepresibly incapable of self-critique. If you don't show it to the world, no one believes it.
When has any single solitary Brit here have said the UK has done anything wrong? In every news story it is ”we are right, Argentina/France/Argentina/Chile/Argentina/USA/Argentina/Brazil/Argentina/Germany/Argentina/Spain/Argentina/Iran/Argentina/Ecuador/Argentina/Italy/Argentina/Scotland/Argentina/China/Argentina/Russia/Argentina is wrong.
The loan was approved. The UK did not vote against Argentina receiving this loan. From Argentinas reaction perhaps the UK and others should have blocked the loan. They sound a bit too desperate.
Aug 31st, 2012 - 07:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0TTT - well your president (the one who refuses to be interviewed by the free press) appears us to be insistant that the UK is strong and Argentina is weak. Anyway, we appear to be significant enough to keep your gubby theiving colonial hands off the Falklands.
Aug 31st, 2012 - 07:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0We don't think of you as inferior, you are inferior. This is a fact.
Anyways, I appreciate everyone for keeping my juices awake to finish this major tract due tomorrow friday. Now I can get some sleep. Thank you for your hatred, works better than 4-60 Minutos energy shots.
Aug 31st, 2012 - 07:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0sometimes I wonder how its possible such stupid people are elected. It can only be more stupid people...
Aug 31st, 2012 - 07:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0@37 Let me help you out:
Aug 31st, 2012 - 07:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0The UK was WRONG to send Ecuador a letter offering them a way out of the Assange affair referring to the ability rescind the Embassy's credentials - Ecuador's government didn't have the diplomatic skills to understand the subtlety of the offer.
The UK was WRONG to run down its defences of the Falklands prior to 1982 because Argentina misread that action as a signal and it cost us lives and money to right that mistake.
There are plenty of other mistakes the UK government has made. Standing up for the right of the Falklanders to determine their own future isn't one of them, especially in the face of a belligerent neighbour like Argentina.
@39
Aug 31st, 2012 - 07:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0LOL, you are silly. I guess it must suck though, losing to inferiors twice when you tried to get tour gubby thieving colonial hands on Buenos Aires. And not even defeated by an army, defeated by citizens with pots and boiling oil.
The only thing superior about your country Beef is your Mad Cow infection rate. Good night!
@43: you honestly think we sent the best troops we had to fight those spanish colonists when we were busy beating up Spain and France and their allies in mainland Europe? You're almost as deluded as the Americans are about their little revolution.
Aug 31st, 2012 - 07:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0@44
Aug 31st, 2012 - 08:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0You sent the same loser troops (or at least the same type) that stole South Africa both from the Boers and Blacks, and which had taken Australia some years before.
And given you were supposedly the best trained army of the time, fighting against civilians that had never received proper training and never set foot in Spain for any sort of “driven by loyalty” to fight...makes that loss even more embarrasing. and TWICE. I mean to lose one time is bad enough, but do it again with 5 times the number of soldiers is utterly inept.
@42
Trust me, I totally can relate to those examples. Argentian was WRONG in ever having friendly relations with the British in the 1880-1950 period, when you are not friendly or trustworthy people in the slightest.
@45 Sorry, you lost me after you said 'trust me'.
Aug 31st, 2012 - 08:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0@46
Aug 31st, 2012 - 08:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0My bad. I know where you come from you learn by age 3 to disregard such words when coming out of the maul of your compatriots.
Wow!
Aug 31st, 2012 - 08:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0The “self pity/ victim-ometer” has gone off scale today!
So, after all that yak, still no loan then?
Aug 31st, 2012 - 08:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0Difference is that if they say no to the loan, we go on as if nothing happened with our lives, the country continues to function. Sure maybe with glitches and hickups but it will go on.
Aug 31st, 2012 - 08:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0If (when) they say “no” to the friable economies of the UK, or France, Spain, Italy, USA, even Germany... your countries disintegrate. You have to tap the capital markets daily to roll-over past debts and to incur new debts because of your deficits. Take that away and you simply cease to function, no hospitals, no garbage collection, no shiny military ships, no schools, and massive unrest and violence.
That's the difference between Argentina being told “no” and your countries facing that same answer: we survive and in fact go on much the same, you all collapse to oblivion.
@49 Has CFK considered wonga.com?
Aug 31st, 2012 - 08:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0Given the (actual) RG rate of inflation, the rates of interest (about 4000% APR) shouldn't be too bad.
Total ramble from CFK there. She seems surprised countries dont want to lend her money. Reap what you sow I guess.
Aug 31st, 2012 - 08:27 am - Link - Report abuse 050 Truth_Telling_Troll
Aug 31st, 2012 - 08:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0You've screwed up your economics there. The UK is in a very different position to all the other nations you rattled off (other than the USA). Care to guess why? The UK is in a position that Argentina is striving but failing to return to.
The reason you 'survive' is because you are at the bottom of the heap with nowhere further to fall
The UK is in full economic recession just like the rest of the EU, don't flatter yourself perhaps I will agree your only advantage is that you can print your way through, unlike the EU, but that's it.
Aug 31st, 2012 - 08:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0I don't think we are at the bottom of the heap when we are richer than over 80% of the nations of the world.
This is a stupid move made by Germany partnering with the bad boys.
Aug 31st, 2012 - 08:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0Germans have a lot business linked with Argentina and currently have surplus in trade.
Someone has to remind Angela that there are close to 4 million Germans currently living in Argentina.
Anyway better to don’t get loans specially form the MOB.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=--ehHyD_BHk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=--ehHyD_BHk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=--ehHyD_BHk
And why is Argentina not in a 'recession' as categorised by the rest of the world? Because it has been printing like crazy for a decade and has an inflation rate in the 30%+ range. You have no other economic levers left to use and have been yanking on the last resort one for years - which is why you struggle so much to obtain foreign currency.
Aug 31st, 2012 - 08:48 am - Link - Report abuse 02 Truth_Telling_Troll (#)
Aug 31st, 2012 - 08:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0Aug 31st, 2012 - 05:27 am
Time of need? But you said Argentina was doing just fine. You don't need the outside world. You don't need loans. What gives?
TTT - I couldn't give a toss about things that happened before the creation of memories of the living. Why would we want Buenos Aires now? It is a crime ridden arm pit.
Aug 31st, 2012 - 08:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0Perhaps you should live in the now and determine why your own government represses your own economic liberty?
Be happy with your insignificance, it is your lot in life.
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Aug 31st, 2012 - 08:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0Some deportations sound in order.
@57
Lost in translation.... “Hour of need” in Spanish is more broad and means any point when you may need some support of any kind, it doesn't have to be a dire condition like in English.
@58
Well I was born after the Falklands, so what the 'f” are you bleating about thinks beyond the memory of my generation old wanker?
Don't worry about our economic liberty, worry about your liberty (period). Remember you are not free in London, you are not a private citizen and you are always under big brother. Like it?
Hey, in 2014 when we eliminate you “again” in the WC get back to me about insignificance. You will die and England, because of us, will not bin another WC. Its your lot in life.
@59 Truth_Telling_Troll (#)
Aug 31st, 2012 - 09:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0Aug 31st, 2012 - 08:56 am
PMSL!
@ 59 - Nurse!!!!!!
Aug 31st, 2012 - 09:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0Quick get the “chip on the shoulder” crash trolley! He is gonna blow!
Hmmm - it seems that TTT is half an hour past the bedtime he promised us and is now losing the plot.
Aug 31st, 2012 - 09:06 am - Link - Report abuse 059
Aug 31st, 2012 - 09:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0Go to bed you daft racist, and stop smashing youre fists into the keyboard in the hope you actually say something coherent!
I think the WC comment was the one that bent you all over. I understand.
Aug 31st, 2012 - 09:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0Don't worry, even if Argentina boycotts FIFA like it did from the late 30s to the late 50s (because as expected, the Europeans stabbed us in the back in 1938), england still woudn't win.
A football grudge from 1938. Tell us more.
Aug 31st, 2012 - 09:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0No. Please don't. I don't think I can take that much entertainment.
Aug 31st, 2012 - 09:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0TTT - WC? They are the two letters i see when i go to take a Buenos Aires on the old shitter.
Aug 31st, 2012 - 09:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0Go to bed and fantasise about all the things that Argentina did before you were born.
I'm just providing with glaring examples of why Argentina has such a dim view of Europe as a dishonorable place.
Aug 31st, 2012 - 09:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0The 1938 World Cup was to be held in Argentina (Uruguay 1930, Italy 1934) to respect the Europe/South America rotation, but you Euro wankers decided to (as you always have done), break the agreement.
You have no honor, so that's OK.
I'm lost now.
Aug 31st, 2012 - 09:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well done Germany.
Aug 31st, 2012 - 09:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0@TTT
Argentina's hour of need - what ? to get away with someone elses money again?
You lot have form for reneging on paying your debts. That fact has no come home to roost.
CFK is ruining your economy and no one will lend to a country that will stick it's 2 fingers up to you and refuse to pay you back a loan. Once bitten, twice shy.
Despite my own countries appalling debt mountain(too many people buying crap with money they did'nt own and the same with the govt) - at least I can say that we pay up.
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Aug 31st, 2012 - 09:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0I'm just providing with glaring examples of why Argentina has such a dim view of Europe as a dishonorable place.
fifa is not run by Europe!!!
I have to say that perpetuating a grudge over who was chosen to stage a football tournament 74 years ago seems somewhat crazy. Surely there must be something more important to moan about?
Aug 31st, 2012 - 09:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0TTT - If you were born after 1982 then why are you bothered about things that happened in the 1930s?
Aug 31st, 2012 - 09:46 am - Link - Report abuse 022 men kicking a pig's bladder around a patch of grass, more important things for you to worry about.
Europeans overlook Argentina for a football tournament in 1938 = dishonourable
Aug 31st, 2012 - 09:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina harbouring nazi war criminals from 1945 = um err what? Retaliation for not letting you host a show?
What a highly amusing topic, I actually forgot the main subject for a while.
Aug 31st, 2012 - 09:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0TIT you should give up your studies, you have a promising carrer as a comedian.
Can you blame any respectable lender for doubting Arg's ability/willingness to repay any loans?
Your comments on this board prove your immaturity, the sad fact is it is exactly that immaturity that the Arg gov leads by. You are a very angry, arrogant & childish race and are deserving of the mess you are making for yourselves.
Enjoy your life with your tin pot dictators.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/53629230@N02/5040513492/
Aug 31st, 2012 - 09:58 am - Link - Report abuse 01882 Latzina Map
Detail from the 1882 Latzina Map, Mapa Geográfico de la República Argentina…, Buenos Aires 1882. The Falklands are marked in a blank beige colour, like Chile or Uruguay but unlike Argentina, which is marked much darker and with shaded relief. (The curved orange lines are isotherms indicating average temperatures.)
What is so important about this map, is that this is the very map that played a significant role in the territorial dispute over the Beagle Channel Islands between Argentina and Chile.
In 1977 a court of arbitration consisting of judges from The International Court of Justice ruled that they belonged to Chile, pointing out (among other things) that they are marked on the 1882 Latzina map as if they were outside Argentina.
That is noteworthy, given that the Falklands are also marked in blank beige, just like the three Beagle Channel islands.
Additionally, It was financed by the Argentine Foreign Ministry and published in 120,000 copies, distributed to Argentine consulates all over the world to attract immigrants to Argentina.
So Argentina in 1882 acknowledged that the Falkland Islands were not Argentine.
@TTT
Aug 31st, 2012 - 10:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0You certainly love to go off topic. Why bother with 1938 surely you should be more concerned that the World Cup has not been to South America since 1978!!!!
Perhaps it was because of the corruption in SA!!!!!
“Not a step back for Argentina from any of the conquests achieved”
Aug 31st, 2012 - 10:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0... no problem with that position at all, but please don't keep stepping forward with your hands open looking for money from the countries you clearly despise so much. Do it on your OWN! I appealed to my MP to stop the UK handing out cash to Argentina.
Can anyone tell me how much the Arg gov still owes (apart from the 11Billion they still owe to Repsol)?
@76: there's a lovely French book detailing all Argie claimed territory based on Latzina, published in 1890, available on Ebay for a reasonable amount. Just search worldwide sites with Latzina as he keyword, the falklands are clearly beige or not on the maps at all. Oh yes.
Aug 31st, 2012 - 10:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0Funny how the rhetoric changes when europe wont give argtardia what it wants isn't it?
Aug 31st, 2012 - 11:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0At first it was all “OMFG WE'RE STANDING UP TO THE WHOLE WORLD AND WINNING!!!!1!”
and suddenly Germany refuses to drop some cash in your begging bowl and now it's more like “*SOB* HOW COULD YOU DO THIS TO US IN OUR TIME OF NEED *WAIL*”
Brilliant. It just begs the question, are all argentines bipolar psychopaths or just most of them?
Loan Argentina money? Do me a lemon, may as well flush it straight down the toilet.
Aug 31st, 2012 - 11:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0CFK lifted half her rant from that at the C24 travesty..
Well, that was a good rant even by TMBOA standards. Scweem and scweem and scweem until she has an aneurism.
Aug 31st, 2012 - 11:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0It wasn't until I read on that I find they have sanctioned the loan anyway.
The absolute stupidity of this woman bad-mouthing the hand that feeds her!
Mind you, given the juvenile rant of TTT about isolating Europe et al, these people deserve one another.
The south americans nationalists seem to have lost the plot since the EU had a few economic problem
Aug 31st, 2012 - 12:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But let's not forget that the GDP of Germany alone is far higher than the whole of south america and the GDP of London alone is far higher than Argentina.
And as to football - England v Argentina:
England: Won 6 Drew 2 Lost 2.
Poor argies.
Only have one thing to say. This is what happends when you dont pay your debts (2001) and have a weakening economy which seems like it is going to fail. Oh yea it dosnt help when you go around telling everyone how wonderful your economic model is whilst telling everyone how bad the European and US models are. Maybe CFK should of been a little less critical of the economies of the people who hold the purse strings to the money you need.
Aug 31st, 2012 - 12:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You reep what you sow Christian. BTW why are you asking for a loan anyone, I thought you were telling us all how you were paying off all the debt accumulated since 2001 not borriwing more?
“Still in this world, which has fallen and collapsed, in a world that was shown as ideal, they insist on punishing us because we are the bad example of a country that can build and stand up with no outside tutelage” That is we can stand up for ourselves but we just dont have the money.- What a nonsense statement that one was,
@68
Aug 31st, 2012 - 01:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Mr TTT we Europeans gave your country the gift of life what more do you want!?
TTT - You are such a great laugh, but I pitty you for being so ignorant :)
Aug 31st, 2012 - 01:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You surely need to get out more often...and by out, I mean out of the country, to see how things work in Argentina from a perspective.
@76 The Cestrian (#)
Aug 31st, 2012 - 01:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Aug 31st, 2012 - 09:58 am
Ah but you see that is why 'they' won't use the ICJ. They know what the answer is going to be.
I am unsurprised by this news and it has obviously upset the comedy club that is currently running Argentina.
Aug 31st, 2012 - 02:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The facts are that Argentina is regarded as an international pariah state by international money lenders. If the comedy club are going after international loans then it shows that they are fast running out dollars and will have no option but to devalue the peso again.
I thought the loan was approved but still CFKC whines about it.
Aug 31st, 2012 - 02:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“The World Bank has provided and can provide: in what rests of the year, a billion dollars are earmarked for Argentina.” It seems like they are begging again. Don't they know that if they take the loans they are beholden to the lenders?
The loan is approved but they won't disburse funds. I am having lunch at IDB today I will find out what is really going on. Last I heard Arg was on watch list for imminent collapse so that is why they are not funding new loans. WB funds the unemployment and child allowance payments...that is why CFK is so panicked.
Aug 31st, 2012 - 02:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“HOME TO ROOST”
Aug 31st, 2012 - 02:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0what does argentina expect, The international community is not its people something argentina fails to understand, you treat countries like sh*t expect that sh*t to come back 10 fold, yet you still havent learnt, which makes a fool.
Toxic trouts poisonous outbursts have proven IMF made the correct descion,
sorry its more bread and water for agrentina
Defaults on 80 billion? And wonders why no one trusts the odd business model the daft bat is running
Aug 31st, 2012 - 03:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0OMG, the obsession of the Brits with credit ratings is nauseating! The day they are downgraded, sometime next year, they will commit mass suicide! Life will be over to them then.
Aug 31st, 2012 - 03:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“The day they are downgraded, sometime next year, they will commit mass suicide! Life will be over to them then.”
Aug 31st, 2012 - 03:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nah we'll just buckle down and get on with things, the second world war almost bankrupted us, but we didn't stick fast. We don't sit around all day drinking camp & complaining, we just get on with things.
@93 Seems to me like if Argentina actualy cared anything about its credit rating this story wouldnt actualy exist would it? Only an idiotic borrower would not be concerned with their credit rating as it determines the intrest rate your ecieves and therefore the total cost of the loan. Or do you actualy believe paying your creditors more than you have to as good thing as long as you get to make some nationlist statement from it. Not saying that opion is right or wrong just intrested.
Aug 31st, 2012 - 03:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Buckle down? You mean buckle.
Aug 31st, 2012 - 03:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are past the point of no return, your debt is too high and the budget already taken to the limit. Since the UK insist on wasting their money on aircraft carriers they will never use (who is interested in attacking the UK, what strategic importance do you have in the 21st century?), you are just burning your cash in unnecesary military expenditures. Thus you will keep cutting inside the UK, to the point you may even cut basic police and health. But hey, still have those shiny ships. Hopefully the sick UK children will get a tour of them. After all they will pay for them with their health.
@93 There is every chance of the UK being downgraded. It has been news for some time here and I haven't noticed any panic.
Aug 31st, 2012 - 04:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How do you think CFKC is going to pay her voters welfare when the loan money doesn't come in? That must be concerning her.
@96 what you are forgetitng however is that the IMF and IDB are mostly funded from the worlds major economies (USA and EU) If their economies fail it will only work LATAM countries especially those which rely on trade surplus's from these regions of the world. If the EU country and US country economies fail LATAM will lose its largets export markets in exacly the same way as China is currently experiancing with growth shrinking as a reuslt of less demand from EU and USA. Argentina is currently seeing this and CFK has even said herself that she believes Argentinas current economic growth problems are a symptom of the global economic problems.
Aug 31st, 2012 - 04:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You seem very keen to crtiise everyone else but perfectly fine with the idea of taking those richer economies money in the form of loans. If Argentina is so inpendent then why does it seem reliane ton international investment, trade surplus, and loans from government organsitation.
At least I dont pretend that the UK hasnt got record borrowing levels. The difference is the credit ratings as i explianed above show that the UK is more reliable for its money mostly due to decreasing inflation which makes the uk pound stronger interntaional and allows the UK to borrow against a proven performance in the inflation rate of the pound. I would hazard a guess that the reason the interntional community is getting nervous is the inflation which could make it much much ahrder for Argentina to get the money it needs to service the debt payments.
UK milatry spending BTW is only 2.6% so is a tiny fraction of the budget, so the building of Aircraft carriers makes little to no difference on other aspects of UK spending. Our current problem is a benifits system which encouages people not to work. I look forward to a conservative government cporrecting this. yes the UK has problems but it is consered by the intenrtional world to be stable and able to cope. We are seeing the oppopsite with regards Argentina tho.
#96 If you argentina had something some country wanted, you too would have nice shiny ships. In fact you use too, even bought the USS Phoenix form us built in 1938 by us the USA. Mmmmmmm what did you RG s call it......mmmmm......oh yes, I recall know....the Belgrano.
Aug 31st, 2012 - 04:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You do not need a military because Ass Lips decimatted it and Soy and Shale oil if not a priority.
argentina is a like a wooden sailor living in the age of steel ships.
Argentina 'defaultus non refundum'
Aug 31st, 2012 - 04:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You really need to change that motto if you expect people to lend you money :-)
Well done, Cristina's expropriation of Repsol, an spanish company Was an attack to European Union itself. Why should Germany support Argentina?
Aug 31st, 2012 - 04:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This all gets funnier and funnier when you watch argtards lash out and project their own failings onto other countries.
Aug 31st, 2012 - 05:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Britain's sovereign debt is high, admittedly, but due to us being considered one of the lowest lending risks in the world it isn't even remotely unmanageable yet.
RGs harp on all the time about how the credit rating system doesn't matter/is biased against LatAm countries/whatever while remaining totally blind to the constant downward spiral of theft their country is in.
Simple answer is, if you default on your debts then turn to thieving foreign capital to cover your budget shortfalls...foreign institutions aren't going to want to lend to you. If your government has a track record of defaulting on it's debts then responding to ICJ judgements in favour of their creditors with *LOTS OF RETARDED PATRIOTIC CHESTBEATING* and refusals to pay up...foreign institutions aren't going to want to lend to you.
And now it becomes apparent that foreign institutions are wary of lending money to Argentina, the constant argtard verbal diarrhea changes from “WE DON'T NEED YOU, ARGTARDIA STRONG, ARGTARDIA SMASH!” to more plaintive crying and playing-the-victim.
To paraphrase: you made your bed, Argies. Time to lay in it :)
I wish Truth_Telling_Troll would speak for himself and not for all of Argentina. . He claims that we all agree with his banter and anger against all Europeans and Americans and it's not like that. Some of us (the middle and upper class) actually hate CFK. She has become a tyrant, Omnipotent and anti-democratic president. She refuses to give press conferences to reporters and refuses to answer any and all questions from anyone. We are basically left in the dark, we have no idea what she will come up with tomorrow. Oh, let's not forget that she on a witch hunt. If you don't agree with her policies and government, watch out, she sends AFIP (the IRS) to your house. She is bad news and we have no idea how to get rid of her because the 99% is strong and stupid here.
Aug 31st, 2012 - 05:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thank you gabol67. I know many Argentines, middle class people and some upper middle clcass and they feel as you do. Whats more they are genuinely saddened by the current state of affairs the Argentina is in. My lady is from Buenos Aires and her family still lives in Argentina so we go there once or twice a year. I wish you the best gabol67 and hopefully for the Argentines sake they leave the constitution alone.
Aug 31st, 2012 - 05:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0103
Aug 31st, 2012 - 05:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Before TTT lost the plot he used to say that he hated the CFK government. He has now lost his rag so much though that he would argue against a European that black was actually white. Doesn't bother me, I'm not European and I doubt it bothers many Europeans because they probably dismiss his rants as those of a fanatic.
TTT is content with the status-quo of the Falklands and that's all I come on Mercopress to discuss pretty much, so all is good.
Had lunch, my friend rolled his eyes, said the approval was all political and it must have been funding something with some commercial enterprise with connections. The amount was too small to really worry about anyway. He said everyone knows Arg is a mess and doubts many more funds will be approved.
Aug 31st, 2012 - 05:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0BTW what ever happened to the Bank of the South? I thought that is where all of SA was going to get their loans.
And Colombia is now the #2 economy in SA with Arg falling to 3rd.
Every year falling further behind...
#96
Aug 31st, 2012 - 06:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Would you consider taking over the role of Chancellor of the Exchequer in the UK. ? You seem to think that you are eminently suitable for the post.
How about chairman of the IMF, then all the world's fiscal problems could be solved.
I suppose sitting in the nether-end of nowhere, it gives you a different perspective on life.
107 Clyde15
Aug 31st, 2012 - 06:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And being aged 18 helps.
You remember the old HR joke? Quick, we want some experts on everything! Don't worry, go out and hire a teenager!
So true of TTT.
103
Aug 31st, 2012 - 06:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I meant to say thanks for coming on here and saying that. I know a few pretty well-off (through hard work not old money) Argentines. I work with two in particular in my travels. They both work in the same industry as me and they often introduce me to various friends and family of theirs. They have close family, business and social ties that extend to the UK, Europe and America and they travel there regularly. THEY HATE CFK and they apologise to me on a regular basis about the Falklands issue. They are absolutely certain that it is British and that Argentina should stay the hell out of it.
Just sayin...
@106
Aug 31st, 2012 - 06:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Colombia NOMINAL Gdp: 310 billion
Argentina NOMINAL Gdp: 430 billion (and this is deceiving, since inflation revalues the peso this 2010 is well below what it should be, prob around 480 billion now).
Are your math skills as good as your shooting skills? You will be dead soon, those mass shootings up there.... you need to either hide or be a good straight shooter to survive in the USA.
@105
You are wrong with your verbal use. I just put country before party. And given the choice between CFK and being friends with Europe or the USA, I choose CFK, as a good patriot would do when confronted by evil outsiders.
That reply is also for @103... yes and I also find it cowardly CFK does not answer to the media, but don't fool yourself. Sucking up the Europeans and AMericans here won't do you any good. They see you as an inferior human being, and will discard you at the first chance they get.
110
Aug 31st, 2012 - 06:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0WTF is verbal use?? Speak normally.
Verbal use, as in the syntactic pivot of any language.
Aug 31st, 2012 - 06:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I've heard of language use but never verbal use. This is going to be fun tonight. I'm in the UK on my own and I'm on my third drink already.
Aug 31st, 2012 - 06:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Toby, poor sad little creature:
Aug 31st, 2012 - 06:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Colombia’s economy was $15 billion larger than Argentina’s, taking into account the IMF’s gross domestic product data and an exchange rate of 6.37 Argentine pesos per dollar, Echeverry said. In Argentina’s unregulated exchange market, in which investors buy assets locally in pesos and sell them abroad for dollars, the peso has slid 27 percent this year to 6.5247 per dollar. That compares with an official rate of 4.6355.
“With this exchange rate, I can make the announcement that I retire leaving the Colombian economy as the second biggest in South America, and the third largest in Latin America,” Echeverry said yesterday in the Caribbean coastal city of Barranquilla.
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-08-31/colombia-overtakes-argentina-in-size-of-economy-echeverry-says
112... Nah not correct use of da anglais my troll friend, hope maximo is paying you overtime as your always on this forum, why don't you log in as Think, or fake Aussie then it people wouldn't twig your a paid Le Campora troll.
Aug 31st, 2012 - 06:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hahaha, and you believe him? Colombia is nowhere close, trust me. Just because some precocious “economist” in some resort town proclaims it?
Aug 31st, 2012 - 06:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You do know I have proclaimed the USA the most immoral place on Earth right? You know, with all the mass shootings.
Don't you have ANY self-shame, and admit your country is a hell-hole? I will keep bringing mass shootings up until you admit it.
Taken from Bloomsberg Business Watch 31.8.12
Aug 31st, 2012 - 06:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0'Columbia's finance chief, looking to become the IMF top official in Latin America, boasted that his economy has overtaken Argentina's as the regions third biggest as a result of the Argentine Peso's slide on the unregulated currency market.'
Argentina is now a fourth rate country in Latin America.
Well done Cristina!
Why are you people such self-deluded losers? Colombia is nowhere near in the vicinity of Argentina in GDP.
Aug 31st, 2012 - 06:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Even for a second let assume they were, if he is the chief finanacial officer of Colombia, man are they in trouble. Does the poor dummy realize that his fantasy would require the peso devaluing and inflation being ZERO?? Then you have a true GDP shrinkage in “international nominal” terms.
But the peso is 27% lower, and inflation is 30-35%... isn't that right?? (hahahaha)
As such, Argentina GDP actually expands 3-5%, given the expansion in internal prices...
Really, who are yankeeboy, Brit Bob and their Colombian pimp trying to fool? This is the real world where people are much smarter than you guys, and those of us that have not graduated from economics understand it far better than you, given the pathetic spiel you are foisting.
116... Mass shootings, is that how the Rg government killed those 30,000 men women and children. At least they were inventive, nuns and flying don't mix
Aug 31st, 2012 - 06:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Toby, It is just the way it is, sorry. Argentina is falling further and further behind the rest of the world.
Aug 31st, 2012 - 07:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are lucky you can still afford internet my guess is you work at a locutorio with Think though....
(103) gabol67
Aug 31st, 2012 - 07:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You say:
“The 99% is strong and stupid here”
I say:
I have news for you.................... That's called D-E-M-O-C-R-A-C-Y.
You say:
“We have no idea how to get rid of her”
I say:
With the disrespect you how to democracy, I “Think” you surely have some “ideas”...
We have tried them in the past...
Nunca Más
El Think
Chubut, Argentina.
I have friends and contacts in Argentina across the social spectrum and even the people that used to support CFKC are wavering. Now they are feeling the effects of inflation, the fear of increasing crime and their rights being taken away they are luke-warm about her. They have realised the Empress has no clothes. (Apologies for the visual).
Aug 31st, 2012 - 07:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0121. In functioning DEMOCRACIES individual votes are not purchased tho...
Aug 31st, 2012 - 07:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Democracy died a long time ago...
@120
Aug 31st, 2012 - 07:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hahaha, you know I destroyed your argument.
Colombia GDP = 2 pesos
Argentina GDP = 3 pesos
Argentina's peso devalues 50% against gold... no increase in wages or internal prices =
Colombia GDP = 2 pesos
Argentina GDP = 1.5 pesos
Argentina's peso devalues 50% but internal prices rice 75%...
Colombia GDP =2 pesos
Argentina GDP = 1.5 + 2.25 (75% of 3 due to internal inflation) = 3.75
Check-mate my mass shooting citizen.
Toby, It is not my argument I just reposted an article.
Aug 31st, 2012 - 07:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Since you have your panties in wad over it maybe you should get your finance minster to call their finance minister and file a formal complaint.
Everyone knows that every year, year in and year out since Peron Argentina falls further down the GDP by Country list.
I think it is a fastest falling country over the last 75 years but go ahead and try to prove me wrong if you can. Right now you are just above Austria do you think you will still be above them next year...I doubt it.
I don't need to prove you wrong, in this particular case. I already did.
Aug 31st, 2012 - 07:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The fact you are not brining in the 'last 75' years argument is proof your original bait was utter failure and now you need to expand it to the historical reality that Argentina did underperform.
It may work to fool the low IQ's abundant here, but I'm 3 steps ahead of you yankee.
I hope that noise was not gun-shots outside your penthouse.
3 Steps ahead of me...OK. Care to show me another country that has fallen further and harder than Argentina in the last 75 years? One just one?
Aug 31st, 2012 - 07:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I actually acknowledged Argentina underperformed in post 126... So I guess I'm four steps ahead of you... I answered your question before you ASKED IT?
Aug 31st, 2012 - 07:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Poor yankee... his brain is overheating from my IQ blitz.
Yes we are all amazed by your IQ. Whew it is breathtaking how smart you are, funny thing though I know a lot of really smart people and not one of them has had to tell me they were smart...wonder why?
Aug 31st, 2012 - 07:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0122
Aug 31st, 2012 - 07:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Steady on Elaine, I've just eaten. Christ!
On the road once again my fellow-itinerant person. Well, itinerant is an exaggeration but sometimes I feel like that! How much are you on the road? This year has been crazy for me. I'm too weary to tally it all up properly right now but it's got to be about 13 weeks and too many countries so far. More to come yet. Looking forward to getting back to the islands shortly. No travel after that for the rest of September and no travel (touch-wood) at all for all of December.
October's is looking exciting Elaine. If you work for who I suspect you do do you know what I am talking about?
Chuckle chuckle.
Oh I agree, as they say, smart people follow, dumb people yap, sages keep quiet.
Aug 31st, 2012 - 07:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I guess you know where you fall in that line, hahaha.
God is creating the different countries. He says to Gabriel, “Here's a good one: lots of rich land, beautiful high mountains, great beaches, verdant forests and a wide variety of climates and animals. What do you think?” Gabriel replies, “But that's so much to give to one place!” “It's ok,” say God, “I'll fill it with Argentines.”
Aug 31st, 2012 - 08:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Chuckle chuckle
God is creating the Garden of Eden itself, equable weather year round, eternal verdure, sweet fruits, and flowing honey. Adam and Eve ask God “why have you made this place so perfect”... God replied “ Yes, but wait till the British find this place out”.
Aug 31st, 2012 - 08:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0mhwahaha
WORD PUZZLE
Aug 31st, 2012 - 08:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Change this word into another word using all of the letter:
ARGENTINO
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Answer: IGNORANTE
Chuckle chuckle
@130 I did apologise in advance. : )
Aug 31st, 2012 - 08:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am not sure exactly as it varies from year to year but usually at least seven months away from the UK. This year will probably only be five months as I turned down an assignment for the first time this summer. Trip are usually a minimum of six weeks and I try to have an upper limit of three month or I start going native. : )
A psychologist calls her colleque at 2 am. 'It's an emergency!' she says. 'At two in the morning? It better be good', says her colleque. 'I have a most unique client', says the first. 'It's an inferioritiy complex!' 'An inferiority complex? But they're so common!' shouts the colleque. The psychologist reponds, 'Yes, but ... an Argentine?'
Aug 31st, 2012 - 08:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@134
Aug 31st, 2012 - 08:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0bratish = churlish rapscallion
bretish = ressembling a hard piece of wood (archaic)
brotish = slang for ignorant british person (rare)
brutish = evincing low intellect or coarse manners
put them alltogether ? BRItish.
ahahahahahaha
135 ElaineB
Aug 31st, 2012 - 08:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ah ha. My trips tend to be shorter (1- 3 weeks) but quite a few of them. I sometimes wake up and forget where I am. This year has been too much. I woke up the other morning and I am sure I was properly awake. I was even looking around the very dim hotel room (don't you love jet lag) and I couldn't for the life of me work out where I was. I know all of my frequent flyer numbers and both of my passport numbers and dates and places of issue and expiration off by heart. That's just wrong.
@136
Aug 31st, 2012 - 08:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The United Nations distributed this questionnaire:
'What is your opinion on how to reduce food shortages in the rest of the world?'
The European replied: What is shortage?’
The African replied: What is food?
The Chinese replied: What is opinion?
The American replied: What is the rest of the world?”
:(
How did the Argentine commit suicide?
Aug 31st, 2012 - 08:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He jumped off his ego.
What is an idiot savant?
Aug 31st, 2012 - 08:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0An idiot savant is a Brit, but useful somehow.
hahahaha.
@139
Aug 31st, 2012 - 08:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Latam: We've got loads of it but we are so stupid that we cant be bothered to use it or any other natural resources we have. And so we import loads of it and allow are producers and lower classes to suffer.
Don't worry about the Krautz Cristina. Argentina does not need any of those European hypocrtits. Argentina can do well on it's own. It has done it in the past, it can do it now, and it will always be able to so it in the futue.
Aug 31st, 2012 - 08:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh, I hear that Soya is above $650 a ton today. You see, I told you, providence shines on Argentina again. .
Hey TTT, why do so many of you dumb bastards smoke? Every time I go there I have to duck and weave smokers. I thought you were introducing bans or restrictions as long ago as about 2005 but it doesn't seem that there are less smokers. Do you know it's bad for you? Don't tell me you smoke. You're young and relatively intelligent.
Aug 31st, 2012 - 08:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@143 Interesting fact for you...
Aug 31st, 2012 - 08:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0German ancestry constitute about 7.5% of the Argentine population —over 3 million—, most of them Volga
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_Germans
Of course I don't smoke, never done any drugs, never drink in excess. Exercise almost everyday even if it is walking briskly 30 minutes, this is not joke. I walk everyday when I don't feel like running or doing a routine.
Aug 31st, 2012 - 08:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Smoking here is like drinking there. We have a shortage of lungs, you have a shortage of livers.
LOL. You may have a point there. At least I only have to duck and weave the drunks if I stay out really late. In Argentina I have to duck and weave smoke all day long. I am pleased to say I don't over do the drink. I felt like a few tonight after a tough week but I've only had four in the end.
Aug 31st, 2012 - 08:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I exercise a lot also. Walking is good. I also like to jog and swim. I'm on the road a lot but I always try to stay in hotels with good gyms or that are near good beaches for walking.
Must be a large footed guy thing. I remember you telling me now that you jogged my memory that we have large feet, and that you like myself found that our foot dimensons are a bit on the huge size for Chilean sizing. I guess walking/running has it's bad side.
Aug 31st, 2012 - 08:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have trouble buying shoes, it has to be said. Chile is almost impossible. Sports shoes don't seem to be too hard to find but I almost always have to compromise on style or colour. I don't really like running on the roads, I prefer treadmills. Running shoes last forever on treadmills. I buy most of my shoes in the States. Even the UK don't stock a big range in my size anymore.
Aug 31st, 2012 - 09:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think Chileans smoke the most in South America but I notice it more in Argentina because they ignore the ban in enclosed places pretty much everywhere.
Aug 31st, 2012 - 09:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@138 Yeah, I've had a few 'where am I' moments as I move around a lot. Mostly I love my work but there are times when I get heartily sick of living out of a suitcase. : )
It is a pitiful sight to see a country’s leader play victim like this. When she says that they are standing up on their own, who does she think everyone else is getting help from? Countries are always rivals. Every country that is standing up is doing it on its own. There seems to be something in the Argentine view of the world that makes them believe the world is united against Argentina, it is odd. The world is against everyone. Everyone fights their corner.
Aug 31st, 2012 - 09:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Joe
Glad to see you are still a Condorito fan.
TTT @ 139
You forgot one line:
The Chilean replied: No estoy ni ahi weon!
I don't know how to say that in RG.
TTT @ 2
RG food shipments to Europe were not charity, they were paid for. RG benefited greatly.
I have even larger feet than you I'm quite sure unfortunately, so that is one thing were you will draw my complete sympathy. So many shoes yet virtually all too small, what's the point of such large canoes, I have no clue. Other people my height seem totally functional with much tinier ones.
Aug 31st, 2012 - 09:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Are there bans in Argentine restaurants? I see the signs in some place but it mustn't be an enforced law. I was in BA in maybe 2005 or maybe even 2004 or 2003 and it was making all the news about the new no smoking laws. I thought they were going to phase it in but I've never noticed the reduction in smoke. The reason I thought about it is because I am in a pub in London right now (having a cup of tea before I go next store to my hotel and bed in just a few minutes) and it struck me that just a few years ago I would have given up before now with stinging smoke-filled eyes but not any more.
Aug 31st, 2012 - 09:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I love my job too. No two days are ever the same and no two clients are ever the same. But the travel! I actually love to travel but sometimes it's a drag. I always count the length of my trips by the number of nights. My wife always counts them by the number of weekends. Hmm. I always completely unpack my suitcase the moment I check in unless it's only one or two nights which is hardly ever.
Good night one and all.
@151
Aug 31st, 2012 - 09:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The world is united against Argentina, has been for decades and decades. Half of it is our fault, I won't deny it.
Shoe sizes?
Aug 31st, 2012 - 09:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh well. I have perfectly normal Chilean feet, size 43 (US 10, UK 9).
The work well and I don't fall over.
Running: Drop kids at school, then down to the beach, take off normal sized shoes and run barefoot. I run along the firm sand by the shore for speed, then move up to the deep soft sand for harder work.
I have a funny image now of you two with clown sized feet ( not you Elaine).
151
Aug 31st, 2012 - 09:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I love you you cheeky little bird. LOL!
152
I take a number 48 in your language I am afraid. Not that size matters. I'm not that tall either; only 6' 1”. I know loads of taller guys with smaller shoes.
Now I really am going. No free wifi in my hotel and I will NOT pay £10 / day for it. That is something that South America has got right and the UK hasn't.
@155
Aug 31st, 2012 - 09:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This revelation came about a long time ago, when I first started here, when your compatriot Chichureo made a comment out of the blue that Argentine women are slim and pretty but that they have really large feet compared to Chilean women. So it went from there... that it must be the meat diet, the Patagonian Indians (you know the myth), etc.
Site monitor, please put a muzzle on Joe Bloggs' name calling of Truth_Telling_Troll , and others.
Aug 31st, 2012 - 09:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Chicureo was right, women here have very dainty feet, but there is a generational difference. I think your right about the protein content of diet. The tribes of Patagonia would have had a lot of meat in their diet. Have you ever tried Guanaco? Good stuff, I wish it were more widely available.
Aug 31st, 2012 - 09:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@156
Aug 31st, 2012 - 09:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I wasn't expecting you would say number 48. That's large indeed, you are virtually my size, which is why I always prep people by saying “it's an extremely large number”. I'm a 49-50, I'm your height pretty much (1.84). Usually another guy will say “45” as being big, so I thought you were around that and didn't want to blindside you. If your feet are as big as mine, you are indeed screwed. :(
lol!!!!!!!!!! ARGENTINA BEGGING FOR MONEY AGAIN FROM OTHER NATIONS............BUT I THOUGHT THEY WERE SELF SUFFICIENT AND DIDN'T WANT LOANS?! ROFLZ90000
Aug 31st, 2012 - 10:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@159
Aug 31st, 2012 - 10:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Guanaco maybe beyond my tasting limit. I want to try jabali and rabbit first.
I hope this doesn't affect the schnapps in Villa General Belgrano this October, I haven't been in five years and am dying to get back.
Aug 31st, 2012 - 10:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0154
Aug 31st, 2012 - 10:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Half of it is our fault, I won't deny it.
lol
Its took you almost 24hrs of posting shite and lies to finally admit a half truth!!!
Good to see youve calmed down and the meds have kicked in.
(121) Think
Aug 31st, 2012 - 11:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have no idea what you just said, but CFK is still a tyrant, Omnipotent and anti-democratic.
She has the 99% in her pocket cause she has brainwashed them with Football para Todos, Plan Nacer, Plan Crecer, Plan Casa, Plan Auto, Plan Heladera, Plan Embarazada, etc etc.
Hang on to your hat, cause we are in for a bumpy ride my friend o foe.
TTT
Aug 31st, 2012 - 11:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I can highly recommend jabali. Down in the lakes region on either side of the border there is plenty (I am sure you know that). Guanaco is great, I tried it in San Pedro de Atacama as a grilled anticucho...succulent and similar to filete in taste and tenderness. The other time I tried it was in Punta Arenas as a carpaccio starter, sprinkled with parmesan and capers...delicious.
I also tried llama, which being the domesticated cousin of Guanaco, I thought would be good, but I found it a bit goaty.
#139 that was good I enjoyed it I even chuckled
Sep 01st, 2012 - 12:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0@166
Sep 01st, 2012 - 01:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0I have a friend who is a dilettante chef, meaning amateur but good. He knows how to cook jabali to make it with Patagonian avocado sandwich, one day I will try to see where we can get our hands on some. They don't sell it in every supermarket.
(165) gabol67
Sep 01st, 2012 - 06:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0You say:
“Hang on to your hat, because we are in for a bumpy ride my friend o foe”
I say:
Bumpy ride…???
I’m used to bumpy rides; and I do remember them........
Do you…???
04/06/43 - 04/06/46: Rawson/Ramirez/Farrel (DICTATORSHIP)
04/06/46 - 21/09/55: Juan Domingo Perón (Democracy)
21/09/55 - 01/05/58: Lonardi/Aramburu (DICTATORSHIP)
01/05/58 - 29/06/66: Frondizi/Illia (”Supervised” Democracy)
29/06/66 – 25/05/73: Ongania/Levingston/Lanusse (DICTATORSHIP)
25/05/73 - 24/03/76: Peron/Peron (Democratic disaster)
24/03/76 - 10/12/83: Videla/Viola/Galtieri (DICTATORSHIP)
10/12/83 - 08/07/89: Raul Ricardo Alfonsin (Democracy)
08/07/89 - 10/12/99: Carlos Saul Menem (Democracy)
10/12/99 - 20/12/01: Fernando de La Rúa (Democracy)
20/12/01 - 25/05/03: Saá/Duhalde (Democracy)
25/05/03 - ??/??/??: Kirchner/Kirchner (Democracy)
To the best of my recollection, the smoothest rides I (and my Country, Argentina) have had has been:
The Democratic Nestor Kirchner/Cristina Kirchner period….
Close followed by the Democratic Alfonsin period…..
And by the Democratic Frondizi/Illia period…..
Do you have other candidates…???
Your fellow citizen in (a very imperfect) Democracy
El Think
Chubut
Can you spare a billion pesos for a cup tea guv?
Sep 01st, 2012 - 07:32 am - Link - Report abuse 01) “All Argentines dislike you, Euroepans.”
Sep 01st, 2012 - 11:10 am - Link - Report abuse 02) “The world is united against Argentina, has been for decades and decades.”
synergy
3) “Half of it is our fault, I won't deny it.”
further synergy...
.... shame your head honcho cant do the same.
...just saying.....
171: He bangs on about Argentina never being friends with us what he failes to realise is that:
Sep 01st, 2012 - 11:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0A. No one cares
B. His butthurt opinion does not represent his nation.
One trait i have noticed amongst all Argentinians is that they seem to think they matter in the world. No one cares.
It's funny that some Rgs think they are living with Democracy. It shows that the Ks have done a very good job at brainwashing.
Sep 01st, 2012 - 02:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And the brainwashing is working at la campora hence the 16 year old children voting and imported residents.
Sep 01st, 2012 - 03:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina is regarded as a pariah state by international money lenders so they will have no other option but to fleece their people again by devaluing the Peso. They are running out of dollars and options.
Sep 01st, 2012 - 04:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh Cristina, what a mess.
And yet they love........at least the la campora trolls that post here.
Sep 01st, 2012 - 05:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(169) Think
Sep 01st, 2012 - 05:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I was not present in any of the bumpy rides cause I was raised in the United States, and just recently returned to Argentina. So, that is why I am not in agreement with CFK's form of Government. She is a tyrant (a ruler who uses power oppressively or unjustly).
It's a shame that this country is not as united as it should be.
And yes, all the other candidates are a mess. But I hope that they will get their act together soon, for all our sakes.
I am the first to admit I am not very good at finance or economics, but in the world of international finance isn't 60 million a miniscule amount, peanuts! why would they want to borrow such a small amount? anyone answer that?
Sep 01st, 2012 - 05:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(177) gabol67
Sep 01st, 2012 - 06:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your recently return to Argentina from the USA explains a big deal of your “Unfortunate” choice of words….....
Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner’s government has loads of faults ...but it ain't “tyrannical”, ”omnipotent” or ”anti-democratic”.
To cut a long story short……...., would you be so kind to provide us with, lets say, three documented examples that make you “Think” as you apparently “Think”?
For the vast majority of Argentineans (me included), 2012 is paradise compared with 2002…… or 1982…….. or 1976…….. or…………….
@159
Sep 01st, 2012 - 06:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Guanaco still is the best meal for the poor chileans residing in Argentina.
Yes, is better than the american beef.
But, eating fish and seafood is economical and better.
179 'I don't Think' aka The Turnip In Chief
Sep 01st, 2012 - 07:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”I’m used to bumpy rides; and I do remember them........
Do you…???
04/06/43 - 04/06/46: Rawson/Ramirez/Farrel (DICTATORSHIP)”
Giving you the benfit of the doubt, let's say you were 10 YO when the Dictatorship started in 1943.
So, you are coming up to 80?
A straight answer would do, thank you.
Google Translate, Argentina with contemporary countries while taking five key variables, namely: 1) independence of the judiciary, 2) press freedom, 3) institutional quality, 4) freedom of action 5) postulated trend. 's go to accounts. As the world ranking of independence of the judiciary, Argentina Kirchner is in the embarrassing position number 115 (2) (behind Cameroon, Bosnia and Nicaragua). As for freedom of action, Argentina once again disappointed in the international ranking, holding the post pathetic 138 (3) of a total of 179 countries assessed, under “powers” such as Mauritania, Nigeria and Haiti. In institutional quality, the news is not much better: by 2011 occupied the unseemly position number 125. (4) Freedom of the press?, Because again we ridicule: occupy the No. 104 (5) over 196 countries studied. The fifth element, which we gave to call postulate trend is about to warn what has been the trend of an administration, if tended to expand or restrict freedoms. According to the same sources consulted (all cited in footnote) of the items analyzed in all Argentina was much better positioned in 2003 and has had a steady and progressive deterioration in each item mentioned since then and until 2011, thus it is confirmed that the trend is unmistakably dictatorial. With these details and dispassionate unobjectionable from international sources: Is it a disproportion that Cristina Kirchner commands a dictatorship?. They are the objective data of reality that forces us to conclude that it is a dictatorship Kirchner. goes without saying that the channel state programs of self-praise and mock and ridicule this kind of marks, but in short, all dictatorships have always at his mercy with a noisy court pimps who engage in official propaganda exploit. But the existence and function of such advertisers (inevitable in dictatorial systems) not only confirms the thesis and inform argue on these lines.
Sep 01st, 2012 - 10:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Replacing the peso with gold coins will surely bring Argentina to a world class level since gold doesn't depreciate and in bad world economy climbs higher, not even mention the fact that gold is the bankers bread and shelter in bad times. There is more then one way to skin a cat but only one way to skin a banker and only a democratically elected government can, why work for paper money when we can let the gold do all the work for us???
Sep 02nd, 2012 - 02:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0@ 183
Sep 02nd, 2012 - 03:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0Gold is not susceptible to the same causes of depreciation as most other assets. Like land, it is not depreciated in accounting because it is assumed to have an unlimited useful lifespan. However, gold does depreciate due to market forces. Gold is a popular investment in times of economic recession due to its supposed intrinsic value, but once the economy recovers, the demand for gold dies down and its value depreciates as a result.
@172
Sep 02nd, 2012 - 06:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0In this world no one matters, hate to break it to you. Tomorrow the UK vanishes, the world goes on. Germany or Italy vanish, same. China vanishes, ditto. USA vanishes... the tides will still ebb, the moon will still phase, the sun will still burn, the birds, the fish, and the beasts will still reproduce.
Don't flatter yourself, in the important things on this planet, you and whatever your country is, mean squat.
#185
Sep 02nd, 2012 - 09:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0Getting quite philosophical aren't we !
This is the first posting of yours that I can agree with whole heartedly.
185. Except the USA isn't going anywhere it gets larger and richer every year while Argentina falls further and further down the list and becomes less and less relevant. I wonder who will close their Embassy there next year?
Sep 02nd, 2012 - 09:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0BTW you didn't answer my question do you think Austria will overtake Argentina in 2013 or 2014?
“Don't flatter yourself, in the important things on this planet, you and whatever your country is, mean squat.”
Sep 02nd, 2012 - 02:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Except to christina regarding beef and lemons?
As usual Cristina and the current comedy club running Argentina will blame everyone but themselves. The country is regarded as a periah state by international money lenders so when the dollars finally run out the peso will be devalued again.
Sep 02nd, 2012 - 05:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#184
Sep 02nd, 2012 - 05:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Gold is not susceptible to the same causes of depreciation as most other assets. Like land,” or paper money.
“it is not depreciated in accounting because it is assumed to have an unlimited useful lifespan.” as coins.
“ However, gold does depreciate due to market forces. Gold is a popular investment in times of economic recession due to its supposed intrinsic value, but once the economy recovers, the demand for gold dies down and its value depreciates as a result.” never the less do to population growth during economic booms and the fast growing middle class demand for luxury goods, gold will continue to enjoy a stable increase in price compared to say the Argentine peso? I am sure gold coins will help the whole of latin american economy, not just Argentina.
190 Pirat
Sep 02nd, 2012 - 05:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Where on earth did you receive your education?
Wasn't on earth, he's a space cadet.
Sep 02nd, 2012 - 06:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(179) Think
Sep 02nd, 2012 - 09:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Examples of why I think the way a think:
1 -Government Controls: CFK is trying to control everything, what we buy, eat, think, where we vacation, dollars, etc etc.
2- State Oppression: Our Liberty is slowly being taken away from us.
3-Local Restrictions: Argentina soon will be stifled by controls and shortages.
Take Cuba's history and that history will show us the future Argentina.
All the Brits
Sep 02nd, 2012 - 10:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As 'I don't Think' aka The Turnip In Chief has not answered my question in my post 181, does anyone know how old he is?
Given his 'claim' to remember everything since 4th June 1943 he should be approaching 80 or maybe even older.
Thanks. :o)
#190 PH you obviously do not know what depreciation is. You allocate the cost of an tangible asset who's life exceeds a year otherwise it is expensed. Intangibles are amortized......and natural resources.....like the oil wells YPF will not be drilling are depleted.
Sep 03rd, 2012 - 02:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0Gold is a commodity and commodities value fluctuates on market forces. Maybe CFK is telling everyone the treasury has to depreciate gold and that is why there is none left in the treasury. lol
pay back ALL the debts to the germans, and then it will be reconsidered....
Sep 03rd, 2012 - 09:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0:P
Sep 03rd, 2012 - 12:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@187
Sep 04th, 2012 - 06:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0You are completely bonkers, sorry. I mean, you are asylum material. Your country isn't even majority middle class anymore (dissapeared under Bush and Obama), were almost 30% of children are POOR, where unemployment is 15%, where income is down 4,000 dollars per person, and you are writing that crap. I mean what the hell, you think I or everyone else here don't read the news? You think you are the only one with access to CNN or FOX?
LOL, you are so desperate to keep proving the USA is all that, which convinces anyone even more that you have ever increasing doubts... :)
TTT are you reading the INDEC where ckf is 30 years old? Doyou actually believe what they teach you in the re-education camps? Oh yes, otherwise it's off to a vacation in the labor camps.
Sep 04th, 2012 - 10:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0@194 I recall El Thick telling us that he was born in Argentina to Scandihooligan parents who had arrived there after WW2.
Sep 05th, 2012 - 06:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0Just a few more nails in the coffin of El Thicko's credibility...
chuckle chuckle etc....
200 Frank
Sep 05th, 2012 - 11:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0Thanks for the info.
So he could not have remembered anything from the 4th June 1943, UNLESS he was lying about his parents situation.
Either way he is lying, as we expect from The Turnip In Chief.
LOL
GREAT speech from the beautiful Cristina, well said ma'am =) (I personally am less surprised that Germany were mean and nasty after what they've been like in the Eurozone, but I guess its good Argentina went in there giving them the benefit of the doubt)
Sep 08th, 2012 - 09:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#103 “She is bad news and we have no idea how to get rid of her because the 99% is strong”
Eat your heart out bankster =)
#139 Good one!
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