Argentina issues 2 Pesos coin to commemorate 30th anniversary of the Malvinas landing
The Argentine Central bank has issued a new 100 Pesos bill to honour the figure of Eva Duarte de Perón, and a 2 Pesos coin commemorating the thirtieth anniversary of the landing of Argentine troops in the Malvinas Islands.
The bank said in a brief release that the bill dedicated to Evita, a political icon and reference in Argentina, was in commemoration of the sixtieth anniversary of her death which occurred 26 July 1952. Eva was the second wife of three times president Juan Domingo Peron.
The bill was printed at Argentina’s Money Printing and Minting House is based on a project dating back to 1952 and reproduces an image of Evita recreated by the Italian artist Renato Garrasi.
Likewise the new 2 Pesos Malvinas mint commemorates the thirtieth anniversary of the landing of Argentine troops in the Falklands, 2 April 1982, which triggered a 74–day conflict with the UK that finally recovered the Islands. The issue is of 4.9 million units.
The obverse of the coin has a map display of Argentina and Antarctica with the Malvinas and other disputed Islands outstanding at the centre with the 2 Pesos, Republica Argentina, and 2012 at the lower ring.
On the reverse and covered with the Unasur, Union of South American Nations crest is a map of the Falkland Islands. Two dates are inscribed: 1833 (“year of the usurpation”) at the head, and 1982-2012 at the foot. The golden ring reads Malvinas at the head, and completing the circumference, American Regional Cause.
Unasur is made up of the twelve South American countries and strongly supports Argentina’s sovereignty claims over the Falklands.
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Just think in a few years the royal navys aircraft carrier will be visiting the Falklands it might even have aircraft on it.
Wasn't agent999 just being sarcastic with that post?
They could at least have introduced a 2 peso note... you could wipe your bum with that....
Of course its our fault.
We want Argentina to look bad, that makes us look good!
Don't be ridiculous, my man.
Are you not the master of your own fate?
Do you have to ask our permission before you make a move?
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l might get a few of these coins, strung together they'd make nice necklace or bangle.
Thanks Idlehands and Frank.
Don't forget everyone - we have suppressed the Scots, the Welsh and now we are displacing all those poor indigenous travellers.
I can't help but wonder how long it'll be before the cost of production exceeds the face value of the coin. Or how long it'll be before the face value is less than the scrap value of the metal.
Argentina could be reinventing the time-honoured industry of crimping.
Far better to have your almost hyperinflating currency on notes anyway, that way you can print extra noughts on them and hane more money...
If it wasn't so sad it might be funny, retards of the highest rank.
Selective memory, they remember the glorious invasion - not the rest.
The coin will be useless outside argentina,
And worth zero,
It is just a publicity stunt,
And the only ones who fall for it,
Are brain dead Argies.
Still
If it was a solid gold coin,
Then it would be different .lololosers..
The invading armies arrive showering the locals with, coin,,,
And leave with the paper version,
Toilet paper was the proverbial we believe …
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@36 I prefer Antonio Banderas opening line in the film Evita (god I just street creed for admitting Ive seen that film) “oh what a circus, oh what a show”
Regarding the islands, its purely based in proximity and that is plain wrong, there's not a single valid reason at all. Its all invented.
Not to mention that claiming something based on proximity is primitive as hell.
Same could be said for CFK and her government. Although they tend to whine rather than sing.
And most pathetic of you, if not for much help, not gain ever
Maybe you could explain to me the Argentina view over South Samwich Islands, South Georgia and British Antartic territory.
Please dont take this as a challenge I am genuinly intrested to know on what basis Argentina claims these territories.
We should start printing a new 1 million peso note with this adorned upon it.
Given the current state of the Argentine economy, they may not be able to afford paper by the time their hyperinflation reaches this level.
PS How did that war go?
Sep 21st, 2012 - 01:01 pm
I don't think Gustbury understands English sufficiently to answer your question, so to save him/her embarrasment I'll try to answer you:
In 1941, when Perón visited his Axis idols Hitler and Mussolini, they convinced him that they would win the WWII, and would hand over the Falkland Islands and their Dependentcies to Argentina, thus increasing Argentinas projection towards the Antarctic to the tune of 12.000.000 Km2.
Although the South Sandwich and South Georgia Islands no longer depend from the Falkland Islands, the Argentine claim still clings to its original rubbish.
So the claim really comes from the SSI and SGI being a one time Dependency of the FI.
Thank you Simon, i didn't know about that.
Although i knew about Peron and Hitler's Friendship and how Peron allowed nazis to hide in Argentina.
Embarrasing to say the least.
What is intresting is I thought the Argentina claim to the FI (in part and now often discredited as violting the most basic legal principle of Nemo dat quod non habet) is that South America up to certain longitude was given to them by the Borgia Pope. What is intresting is that although the FI lie in this region the other islands lie beyond this longitude and are in the area granted to Portugal and therefore only Brazil would have any “legitiamate” claim to these other islands.
In practice I assume the case is pretty much that Peron wanted to stir up anti british sentiment in order to remove the British buisness' from Argentina which up until Peron controlled the majority of trade out of Bs As, ran the banking system and controlled the Nitrite mines in the north, and therefore just lumped in any british terriotry he could into the FI claim to further inflame nationilst sentiment.
I have personally seen monuments and milestones remembering the fallen of Gallipoli and Dieppe in the UK, Canada and Australia.
In addition, I don't consider those battles, neither FI as “a humilianting defeate for Argentina” nor Gallipoli or Dieppe as “humiliating defeates” for UK mainly when I was confortable, warm and safe at home at that time.
I don't understand your suprise because why Argentina cannot remember those who fell doing his duty to his country in a lost war or battle.
Those who have read my comments know that I hate CFK ..so I don't need to clarify my position about her.
You can remember the fallen soldiers, but not celebrate a war of agression on a coin, the actual act itself. Sorry, but on this one the CFK's have completely disgusted me. They are really disturbed people in their morals.
...or whatever your name is (see, goes both ways)
Kudos to you for understanding that CFK has an immoral and irresponsible personal and political agenda.
However, the coins are a political propaganda exercise celebrating an unprovoked aggression against an unarmed peaceful, self-governing neighbour.
Worse, no Declaration of War and a sneak attack as well.
The falklanders have shown that they fully support memorials showing respect for fallen Argentinians in that conflict. They have a cemetery there for them, after Argentina rejected them as patriots.
It is not likely that any Brit or Falklander would object to a coin commemorating fallen soldiers.
You have already stated that you are a , Malvinista, insisting that The Falkland Islands are Argentinian.
Sounds like your viewpoint is biased and you do indeed, agree with the CFK government.
without him and his many personas these threads would die.
@14 Why don't you blame the United States? The only ones to ever remove trespassers from our Islands!
@19 Forgot the Irish? Indigenous?
@20 It's only £0.26. No charity!
@24 Glorious invasion? 66,000 argies versus 80 Royal Marines. What's “glorious” about that?
@43 Gobbledegook!
@50 Always a mistake for thieves to share the spoils before they've got their jackboots on them!
@51 Your heritage is genocide. And you continue that today!
@55 In respect of Gallipoli and Dieppe, I haven't been able to find anything that suggests that 11,000 British/Allied troops surrendered. Even taking the two actions together. We have considerable cause to be proud of British, Canadian, New Zealand, Australian, Newfoundland and American troops. There is no record that anyone surrendered! And you? Celebrating that no argie is admitted to having fallen over his feet and drowned?
Heck you celebrate your empire in North America, Australia, and some caribbean and pacific islands, and sub-saharan africa.
you: cannons, gunpowder, muskets, old-tech rifles, ships, filthy diseases.
them: bows, arrows, unprepared immune systems.
How brave of you to build your glorious empire against such formidable opposition, lol. (same applies for the French, Dutch, Spanish, Portuguese of course, and the Italians and Germans in Africa).
Must be proud.
How very well remembered of you!! As I recall it was Lt Col Andrew Whitehead of 42 Commando who said “With 100 marines and enough ammunition I could have died of old age up here”
I think he might have been talking about the Argentine positions on two sisters..........
I have a question for the more financially minded of you. With inflation running at 25% or whatever insane figure it is, does this then kind of make the issue of this coin useless? wouldn't a 50 peso coin be more appropriate?
“The 1982 invasion was not supported by by the majority of Argentinians, so don't blame us”
It wasn't our fault. The illegal, unconstitutional, evil dictatorship did it.
In “The Question of Malvinas Islands and the Bicentennial of Argentina”, Federico Lorenz wrote:
“The disembarkation of April 2 [1982] was backed by several sectors of the Argentine society. Even many of the victims of the military dictatorship, in prison or in exile, agreed on the recovery, ...” alfredoatanasof.com.ar/link_libro/the_question_of%20_malvinas_and_the_bicentennial.pdf
29 April 1982 Ernesto Sabato, a staunch opponent to the Junta wrote in the Argentine newspaper “La Nacion”:
“In Argentina it is not a military dictatorship that is fighting. It is the whole people, her women, her children, the old people, regardless of their political persuasion. Opponents to the regime like myself are fighting for our dignity, fighting to extricate the last vestiges of colonialism. Don't be mistaken, Europe, it is not a dictatorship that is fighting for the Malvinas; it is the whole nation.” (thanks to Lord Ton for this juicy text).
www.nps.edu/Academics/centers/ccc/publications/OnlineJournal/2004/nov/mcclureNOV04.html
www.thepicaproject.org/?page_id=797
Conor Louden-Brown=Troy Tempest
Simon68=Craig R= Zhivago= the chinese residing in Tierra del Fuego, see the Economist “Argetnina cooking Books”'.
Isolde=Yensere-ly Skare of SussieUS
Conqueror/Captain Poppy
and the rest of the UK team Falkloosers retards!
jejeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeje
Argentines have never invaded a country and tried to enslave a population, or murdered the indigenous population of their own country have they? LOL
No, they just throw nun's out of planes don't they?
“you: cannons, gunpowder, muskets, old-tech rifles, ships, filthy diseases.
them: bows, arrows, unprepared immune systems.”
So, you say this is, bad ? Or. immoral? Right?
That sort of thing happened 200-300 years ago. The same sort of thing that Argentina 'celebrates' today, in your own history of genocide.
However, not to be distracted, the CIVILISED world, and MODERN states have moved on from that sort of behaviour, acknowledged it and recognised it for what it was.
On the other hand, Argentina...
Well, we've been there before and argued this all through, countless times, and you cannot make a case for doing it today. The hypocrisy is all Argentina's.
Good try, but predictable.
Back on topic:
This is today. Argentina, wants to celebrate, and in fact, glorify, a 1982 unprovoked, sneak attack against an unarmed, peaceful, neighbour ( no oil in sight, by the way), in order to subjugate them. Occupation officers openly discussed eliminating the “problem” of the Falklands, ie the indegenous population of the Falklands.
How humiliating that you were defeated, with the help of the Islanders themselves, and they were “freed”, as they put it.
10,000 heavily armed Argentinian troops and Air Force against 80 Royal Marines and 2000 sheep farmers.
A classic, “subdue the local population and take what Argentina wants” scenario.
Bravo, noble, brave Argentina!!!
You cannot move on from something you neither never actually apologized officially for nor trully repented of doing.
As for Argentina's internal policy, I would agree Argentina should leave the islanders alone, but what we do internally is our business and no one elses.
“As for Argentina's internal policy, I would agree Argentina should leave the islanders alone, but what we do internally is our business and no one elses.”
Oh, dear, that old argument again - another stock phrase, another blind alley to distract and deflect.
Saying things over and over again does not make them true.
You've argued this before and lost, every time .
“what we do internally is our business and no one elses.”
Sure, tell that to the people you are currently subduing today. I'm sure they think it is THEIR business and others should know.
Hmmm, seems to me that the UN is interested in this one.
However, back on topic:
To sum up, Argentina still feels it can subdue populations to take what they want.
Simple question:
Do YOU support the 2 Peso commemorative coin?
When you learn how to read, perhaps you will find out.
It might be that the british people who belief that FI belong to UK feel anger to the fact that the shape of the islands are in an argentine coin. I can understand this but that's part of the issue, both countries believe that the FI are part of them.
Dear 69 St.John. You usually write about how popular the invasion was. I wrote it several times, I lived it, it is part of my personal experience.
While some people were happy and went to Plaza de Mayo to cheer a large quantity of others, most of us, were astonished and frightened about what Galtieri had done.
My relatives, who were against the militars ruling the country since the very beginning, could not believe that Argentina, a Third World Country, could challenge the third fleet of the world (and the First in Europe)...don't keep me showing media articles, pictures or links. I have seen them “live”. I can remember my mother coursing “these stupid militars that finally put us in a war” .
Some people went to the Plaza de Mayo to cheer up as if the country had won a World Cup.
In addtion, I saw tapes of british people cheering up the fleet leaving the UK to FI as if they were going to take part in a party !!!...
Not wanting to play semantics with you.
Why be cryptic?
Do YOU support the issuing of the COIN??
Too complicated?
To celebrate a failed invasion against a peaceful island.
What more can we expect from a warmongering peronist. Oh yes, they celebrate the biggest Nazi loving party member of all Eva Peron.
As our troll friends from the Argentine would say “ja ja ja ja”
If it was not so sad, it would be funny
see # 56 Truth_Telling_Troll which makes it quite clear.
I have no obligation to answer to you people as if you were my masters.
Seems you haven't moved on one bit afterall have you?
Wow, never thought I would say that!!
Thanks for that answer - refreshing.
You could have directed me to @56 though, instead of being upset
we know who your masters are.
That would be a bit hypocritical given you have the “Gueule” of a woman for whose name colonies were held against their will. Yes, she herself (that's how old she is).
And even when she dies, whoever is on the coins/notes represents the insititution under which 400 years of murder, oppression and conquest was justified.
The UK should make two different coins.
Both with “Self-Determination under the UN Chartes” but one with the shape of the FI on it and the other with the shape of the Chagos Island.
Or the second one with “Self-Determination under Law Lords” and the shape of the Chagfos Island.
“You usually write about how popular the invasion was. I wrote it several times, I lived it, it is part of my personal experience. ... a large quantity of others, most of us, were astonished and frightened about what Galtieri had done.”
Some, yes, but judged by the existing documentation, including the above quotations, the majority of Argentinos were cheering the invasion - until 14 June 1982.
I have a number of Argentino friends who say that “people were ecstatic about it - the idiots!” and even use the proper name, the ”Falklands Islands (never Malvinas) - leave the bloody islands alone and solve our real problems” - but they don't make up the majority 2 April 1982.
See also Galtieri ovacionado en Plaza de Mayo el 2 de Abril de 1982 www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xqwNsmzCbM
Can you document otherwise?
Still blaming the human condition on the uniquely evil British Empire, then? You should step out of that time machine sometime, or at least put a periscope in it.
But bravo for @56.
A right does not make a wrong, two rights do not make a wrong.... And one million rights do not matter if they were enabled by an original wrong.
Even if we assume very very very generously that European colonization of other continents was overwhelmingly good, that is all nullified by the fact that it started with a moral, ethical, and legal wrong. And that's that.
Celebrating a war of agression is wrong. I have the guts to say it, fine. Justifying empire like so many here do, based on how the countries involved were brought into “civilization”, is equally wrong. So the hypocricy clearly lies elsewhere too.
Very sensible and thought out comments. Thank you.
@All
There is actualy a possible change comming about with the Chagos Islands. Please see this report from the New African.
www.newafricanmagazine.com/features/politics/mauritius-wind-of-change-blows-over-diego-garcia
Let the fallen soldiers in both place rest in peace and respect the self determination.
I doubt if you'll find many Brits prepared to argue the British Empire was all about bringing civilization.
What I don't get is your apparent belief that imperialism is a relatively modern phenomenon invented by Europeans and driven solely by their innate wickedness.
One question,
Do you believe Argentina had a right for and reason, to invade a defenceless unarmed peaceful little island without provocation,
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Do you honestly believe , that in this day and age,
Of freedom and democracy,
CFK on behalf of argentina should renounce all claims now and forever over the Falkland islands,
And leave them to live in peace without threat or hindrance,
You reply please,
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It should read 1832 “year of usurption” other than that perfect.
November 1832 was when the penal colony was illegally set up on the island and the United Provinces controlled the island under Mestevier.
Mestevier was of course murdered by his own men, and his wife raped in front of his children...and Pinedo took command.
The usurption was over-turned in January 1833 when the HMS Clio arrived and removed Pinedo and the twenty or so militia. The peaceful civilian inhabitants (the private enterprise of Luis Vernet) was encouraged to stay.
So, commemorating the removal of the murdering rapists in 1833. Yes good.
Commemorating, the removal of the illegal invaders in 1982. yes good too.
Commemorating that this should be a region American issue..where a country is wilfully violating one of the governing principles of the UN Charter..and bullying a much smaller neighbour...yes also good.
I wonder if that was their aim?
why should she care ...
:-)
@70 Why did you miss out shi*e on a stick, scabby, $2.00 a trick, whore-slut Sussie of 2012 fame? Get your STD with Sussie! Capable of 8 at a time. Discounts available for multiple shaggers if she doesn't have to get up!
@74 Apologise for what? Killing argies. That doesn't merit an apology. It's cause for a reward. Have never killed enough. Another mistake in '82. Should have castrated every argie that surrendered. At least you would have been able to tell which ones were “veterans”.
@82 Of course you're under no obligation. Especially when you can't make up a valid answer. And turds can't come up with answers anyway. Is there a difference between an argie and a turd? Of course there is. Argies come from whatever a*se they were last up. That's why they're chocolate-coloured!
@90 And how do you justify your 200 years of genocide? Pig!
Captain - That's ok they're still in range launch as ordered and then let the lads go home for the weekend.
OOW - Aye aye sir spinning up silos 6 & 7 launch sequence commenced :)
:)
I don't suppose they could reach Chubut could they?
Trident II?
”In addtion (addition), I saw tapes of british (British) people cheering up the fleet leaving the UK to FI as if they were going to take part in a party !!!...”
Of course you did, it was all the relatives of the British Armed Forces supporting their men folk as they went off to war, perhaps never to return.
I realise that this concern for your military is an alien concept to Argentineans but is an HONOURABLE DUTY for all genuine British people to do.
And our troops suffered appalling difficulties in recovering British territory from the cowards who were ensconced there.
No excuses for any mature Argentinean who was alive at the time of the invasion. Those who now bleat that it wasn't them to blame miss one major point: there were NO PLACARDS AGAINST THE WAR and no demonstrations against the invasion. You lot still went ape-shit against the Junta when they lost, so you couldn't be that frightened by them from the beginning.
Despicable people.
64 Conqueror
At 6.3 blue pesos to the USD and 1.56 USD to the GBP the losers' coin is worth £0.20. Remember 'No Charity'.
So you admit that you were“lnvaders” in 1982.
Glorious or not, to be an “invader” admits that you do not own the land that you are “invading”
Thank you for that.
Happy Spring Equinox everyone.
I'll trully effaced from having to respond to this question over and over. Those who are observant know my personal position on the Falklands. Go ask them what my position is.
“to invade a defenceless unarmed peaceful little island without provocation”
That's the most succint, pithy, and compendius description of British history yet. Well done.
How much would the coin or note be for an Argentine victory, like the Dirty War?
He has made it clear countless times that he believes we should be left alone in the Falklands and also that he's not a fan of the CFK Government. But attack his homeland on non-related issues and he will defend his country. I don't have a problem with that.
TTT, I hope I got that right. Please correct me if not. Be easy on me though. I am hobbling around on a sore knee (jogging injury I think) and I don't have the reserves for a fight.
its compendiOus* arseface, learn how to spell, and using a thesaurus to repeat the same word in several different ways doesn't make you sound smarter, quite the contrary actually, specially when you can't even spell the words correctly, as usual
its also “I'm”, not “I'll”
I think I get it: TTT defends Argentina, but acts like such a fool whilst doing so, that he discredits Argentina's defense; thus effectively trolling Argentina while trying to appear to do the opposite at initial glance.
truly, not “trully”
Como ya te dije, hablo espanol mejor que hablas ingles, y ingles es mi lengua nativa.
But I get it, you're trolling Argentina by defending it like someone who lacks intelligence, as stated in post # 119 ;D
This is dangerous thinking because all governments should be held accountable. It is not treason to criticise governments, crime, policy, corruption or to express an opinion on it. In fact, one of the reasons Argentine governments get away with stealing, lying and corruption is because they have controlled the population with nationalism.
I am only surprised that so many intelligent Argentines cannot distinguish the difference between a personal insult and critical discussion of government.
That the coin is worth 26 pence,
It claims the recovery of the islands and the other islands,
To be believed by the poor uneducated Argies,
The fact is, they have recovered nothing,
CFK has got them nothing,
End off,
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Still,
Could not the Falklands, have a commemorative coin of argentina and the Falklands on it,
And down the spine replace Argentina with the words British,
And of course Falklands at the bottom,
At the very least it would embarrass CFK and humiliate her,
Just a thought.
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“Wars are not to be celebrated nor are they to be commemorated. Do you know why? Because many people lost their lives.”
I believe she has had made, a special boxed version of his coin, to be handed out to everyone at the UN.
They will come in handy for the Vending machines in the lobby!
“The British papers state,
That the coin is worth 26 pence,”
Myself, I'll wait a few months - and buy them at 1/2 that price.
:-)
You may get it for a penny.lol.
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Well the way things are going the coins will be worth far more as scrap metal than at face value.
very true.
Vernon tried to attack The Spanish Fort in Cartagena with 186 British Ships and 28000 military personnel against 3000 spanish regulars. The king of England had coins minded showing the British Admiral accepting the defeat of Cartagena before the battle took part from the Spanish Admiral. At the end 50 british ships were destroyed and 18000 military personnel killed. THE WORST DEFEAT THE BRITISH HAD EVER SEEN : The British admiral wrote a letter to the Spanish admiral stating:“ WE have decided to retreat,but we will return to Cartagena when we take in reinforcements in Jamaica”. Blas De Lezo replied. ”In order to come to Cartagena, The English King must build a better and larger fleet, because yours now is only suitable to transport coal from Ireland to London. When the King heard of the disaster he ordered that the loss of the battle should never be printed or spoken of to this day.
“This reminds me of the Battle of Cartagena. Where Vice admiral Edward
Vernon tried to attack The Spanish Fort in Cartagena with 186 British Ships and 28000 military personnel against 3000 spanish regulars.”
This would be very much the same then, I agree.
Except this time, There were 10,000 heavily armed Argentinians, with an Air Force, making a sneak attack at night - into the early hours of dawn, on an undefended town - not Fort with 4 ft thick walls, and not 3,000 “Regulars” (armed and trained troops with artillery), NOT 2,500 civilians with a few shoguns between them.
Hmmm, not alike at all, is it??
Right, we know. Typical aussie, always being reminded of the Battle of Caratgena and bringing it up at every opportunity. Dame Edna was always the same.
133 Don´t mess with our dame!! God bless her!!
www.eff.org/deeplinks/2011/08/argentina-isps-ip-overblocking
He's not an Aussie.
@134 argentine/spanish/? sunshine,
Dame Edna would be your new Governor-General, then! lol
Just like you prefer delusions to reality, and lies to the truth.
However, back to the topic. It seems inconceivable that the Argentines would want to remember how they got their arses handed to them, but I suppose they only want remember the 'brave' victory of 10,000 Argentine troops taking on 80 Royal Marines, and a couple of thousand unarmed Islanders.
They are still wiping their asses with your stupid bible, what are you going to do about it, nothing! Next time bury your soldiers you sentenced to death yourself instead of leaving them where they fell, rotting in the peat, if there is an afterlife I'm sure all those soldiers are enjoying themselves, eating roast beef and yorkshire pudding and drinking Tartan Lager by the keg with their British comrades who treated them far beter than their own countrymen.
“142 there are statues...before Isolde comes along and tells me I am not an aussie.LOL”
I am sure that Isolde can not even be bothered to respond to your attempt to bait her.
She called you out, and each time you ran to hide. You have not been able to back up your identity.
As suspected, you are an unimaginative Argie troll, nothing more.
Real Aussies tend to be witty, and have no tolerance for spouting crap.
Not even a good attempt. You were spotted a mile away.
If 'Sussie in the USA' was not away getting “medicated”, just now, I would suspect that you were just one more of his fictitious personalities.
Actually, 'Sussie' is far more entertaining. You are just a bore.
1833? No UP soldiers died on the Falklands at the hands of the British, only at the hands of each other, murderers and rapists.
As for 1982, well you started a war and you LOST that war. A war that every expert in the world said was impossible for the British to win. How humiliating for you, and yet you want to remember the part were 10,000 Argentine soldiers invaded a peaceful group of Islands, defended by 80 Royal Marines.mthe Argentine troops who outnumbered the unarmed indigenous population by 5-1. How thrilling to remember just how 'brave' your troops were on that day.
@142 - aussie
If its to commemorate their fallen, why does it commemorate the 30th anniversary of an illegal invasion and not the end of the conflict?
Why a coin? This is not a limited edition special coin, this is currency. Why a coin that is worth next to nothing? Why something that is so common that they are not treated with any due care or respect by the general populace?
Why not build a memorial? Better yet, why doesn't the Argentine government pay for the upkeep of the graves of the Argentine war dead? Instead of leaving it to the British, the Falkland Islanders and the relatives of the dead? They seem to be sloping their shoulders to dismiss that responsibility.
This is nothing more than a cheap, very cheap by the value of the coin, political stunt. This Argentine government has done nothing to help the wounded Argentine servicemen or their families. It has done nothing to help tend the graves of the war dead. In fact, every time they use the dead to try a score cheap political points, they spit on the graves of the dead.
I guess the issue of this coin shows just 'how valuable' the lives of those young men were and still are to the Argentine government - £0.26 and falling in value every day.
If it wasn't such a pathetic, desperate, and undignified act, and a slap in the face to all those who lost their lives, I'd laugh at the ridiculousness of it all.
Exactly. Respect for ALL.
Malvinistas dont have the humanity in them to do that.
Your response to “Aussie” - Well said, Sir!!!
You are completely, right - absolutely abhorrent and despicable political grandstanding by the CFK government.
Those people (including aussie) simply do not care about anyone else.
I wouldn't think so.
BK or Blind_Scottie_Kirchnerist as I tag him has a much better command of the language than aussie raincloud (as confirmed by 151) but a reprehensible 'love' of TMBOA and is frankly a traitor to his own people.
Only druggies & aging hippies say “man” in their conversation in Australia.
However l have noticed that Argentines say it a lot.
Are you an Argentine or perhaps a drugged aging Australian hippy?
“ blah blah blah!! man you¨re boring!! s*it”
weak.
Do you call that a comeback?
Got any other brilliant ripostes?
The Argie Trolls are all a bunch of social misfits, but you are definitely a second stringer. I don't know why you even dress for the game.
You're an amateur compared to them, but I find it hard to tell you apart.
You don't see anything mate.
your hole is getting deeper but you just keep digging.
Just admit to what you really are & we'll have just a little more respect for you.
You never answered my post @147.
Answer this as well. If this coin is to commemorate the dead, why does it have:
“Malvinas causa regional Americanas” on it? Why does it mention 1833 when no Argentine lives were lost (as Argentina didn't exist), and the only loss of life was UP soldiers murdering their own commanding officer?
Since when has Argentinas imperialist colonial ambitions been a regional cause in South America?
Apart from a few meaningless words of support to stop TMBOA from screeching, just what actual physical support does Argentina have?
Are you going to answer my post? Or are you going to remain silent and I will accept that as a sign that you agree with me?
Slight Hypocrisy?
Today we start a new protest in Argentina - it's called the “ANTI-KK campaña”. In our language “KK” is pronounced KaKa, and that is what we think of the Kirchner administration.
We ask all citizens against the Kirchner “KK” regime to leave a bag of excrement or bring your dog to defecate on the steps of Congress, on the steps of the Casa Rosada, or in front of the door of any office of “La Cámpora” or another militant organization of this joke of a president called “Kolina”.
Leave bags of excrement, or garbage or any other repulsive, non-dangerous item that stinks on the steps of or in front of any of these government related places. This is a peaceful protest, non-violent, and will send a strong message to the “KaKa” government that is destroying lives in Argentina.
KK para todos en el gobierno!.......
Harvard forum where CFK (ka ka queen) will give a speech on Thursday.......
forum.iop.harvard.edu/content/public-address-her-excellency-cristina-fern%C3%A1ndez-de-kirchner-president-argentina.......
This is how much her own people HATE her.......
www.facebook.com/RepudioACFKEnNuevaYork#!
And how turkey scrotum neck stays in power.......
www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyPC0SD0PGw
Fernando, no reasonable person would deny you remembering and respecting your fallen and wounded comrades in the war of 1982.
I believe veterans of both sides have met and corresponded without bitterness and rancour. It was a terrible experience for both sides and no doubt the scars remain with many who took part.
The problem with this coin is that it is not a commemoration of the dead and wounded but a cynical restatement of the Argentine claim to the Falklands and sub antarctic territories. We take this as an insult to the participants of both sides.
Unlike your 'government' who does NOT care about their veterans like yourself, our people AND our government does.
Those members of our army, navy and air force who did exceptional effort in the 1982 conflict have ALREADY received their medals.
I think the likes of 3 Para, 42 Commando and especially the SAS would look on a blanket medal or coin issue as an insult. You got it for turning up.
Had your officers trained you, equipped you and fed you in a timely fashion then you and your comrades would not have suffered at THEIR HANDS. But you would still have lost.
And the reason you would have lost is very simple. You may love the islands but our forces LOVE a fight and it was British people at risk.
Fighting for their own soil is what they do best and the SAS are the downright murderers. They don't take prisoners unless it is for intelligence purposes. Murdering bastards! I LOVE every one of them!
It was your JUNTA supported by the population who now claim no knowledge or support that led to your failure.
I do hope that you find peace in the coin if that is what you want.
and I would not call the SAS “murderers”..warriors but not murderers.
Why then is the coin to commemorate the 30th anniversary of the Argentine invasion of the Falklands?
It commemerates an illegal violent act against the peaceful people of the Falklands, by a military who was guilty of murdering nearly 30,000 of their own people. An illegal invasion were the invasion force outnumbered the local population by 5-1, and outnumbered the Royal Marines by a margin of 125-1. An illegal invasion force who were there to oppress and ethnically cleanse the islands.
This coin isn't about Argentine war dead, it's about a corrupt and increasingly unpopular government try to score cheap political points with an increasingly disallusioned population.
They wave the Falklands cause, just like the military junta before them, in the hopes of distracting the population from the fact that they've destroyed the Argentine economy.
Tell me, Fernandez, if this Argentine government really cared about the Argentine war dead, why don't they put their money where their mouth is, and PAY for the upkeep of the Argentine war cemetery on the Islands? Why do they ignore it? Why do they leave it up to the British, the Falkland Islanders, and the relatives of the dead? Why don't they take responsibility for it's upkeep? That's surely a better way of honouring the dead than issuing an extremely low value coin, isn't it? A coin that will be nothing more than loose change for most people in Argentina, and not treated with any respect.
Face it, this is so blatantly a politcal ploy, that it can be seen from the moon.
But believe what you want to believe. The world can see the truth behind this, because the world isn't taken in by Argentine fairy tales anymore. It's a pity people like you still are.
You are factually incorrect. The Argentines had professional soldiers there.
601/602 Commando and Special forces units.
The 5th Marine Infantry Battalion although having conscripts were supposedly a well trained elite unit and had a cadre of professional NCO's and Officers..
Add to this the Argentine Air force and Navy.
Britain had to fight most of its wars relying on conscripts and seemed to be able to fight its way through.
Take the story of the Gloucester Regiment at hill 235 on the Imjin river in Korea. A regiment consisting of regulars, conscripts and reservists held off three divisions of the Chinese Army until they were overwhelmed by numbers. It depends who your conscripts are.
You'll get no argument from any British or Falkland Islander. We agree, all these bodies should be disinterred and returned home to Argentina.
The problem is that the Argentine government refuses to allow them to return home, as in their warped mind by having them their makes their claims to the islands valid somehow.
The families of the dead are also reluctant to have the bodies returned, but for different reasons. They know that the British and Falkland Islanders will respect and look after these graves, they don't get the same feeling that the Argentine government would do the same. I mean, not one Argentine government since 1982, has offered to pay for the maintenance of the graves.
A very laudable suggestion but you are talking about a 'government' that uses their dead as political pawns.
BTW the SAS revel in the terror that their reputation brings to their target, understandably so. We KNOW they are among the best in the world at what they do, killers of the highest echelon. Love 'em to bits.
I agree with your sentiments.
The families of the dead would surely prefer their loved ones to be in graves that they could easily visit rather than being used for the careers of politicians.
“*167 There should not be any Argentinian cemetary in The Falklands. Those boys should be sent home today with their families and not lay there in that cold damn Earth all alone.”
I'm sure the islanders would prefer that.
Look at the political mileage that the Kirchnerites got out of the broken glass incident in August.
Ask yourself why you support those fascists.
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