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Argentina issues 2 Pesos coin to commemorate 30th anniversary of the Malvinas landing
The Argentine Central bank has issued a new 100 Pesos bill to honour the figure of Eva Duarte de Perón, and a 2 Pesos coin commemorating the thirtieth anniversary of the landing of Argentine troops in the Malvinas Islands. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesjajajaja a coin celebrating a humiliating defeat for Argentina that's one to add to the collection.
Sep 21st, 2012 - 06:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0If you imprint a coin with imagery it automatically becomes true. It's the law. All unasur states are now compelled to blockade the islands, sanction the UK and ultimately declare war. Have you seen the new £1 in the UK? It details an old rubber lipped woman hanging by her neck from an EU flagpole. I wonder what the message is?
Sep 21st, 2012 - 06:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0Haha! So sad! This should get a few heated posts! However, regardless of all the rhetoric, harassment (both economic and military) the islands remain The Falklands, and that my little malvinista monkeys, is what u call closure!!
Sep 21st, 2012 - 06:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0I wouldnt want reminding that we lost a war when a heavily defended island fortress was recaptured by a smaller UK force. Very strange... a British soldier upon capturing an Rg position said the RGs should of died of old age defending it. To our troll friends on google translate that means the Rg defences were so well manned gunned and manned holding a geographically advantageous position should never of been lost to a smaller UK force.
Sep 21st, 2012 - 06:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0The 1982 invasion was not supported by by the majority of Argentinians, so don't blame us, it was the fault of the junta that we invaded, so lets us make a 2 peso coin celebrating the invasion !
Sep 21st, 2012 - 06:58 am - Link - Report abuse 05... Great point the mask is slipping, the lies spouted by the la Campora trolls start to contradict each other. What could a 2 peso coin buy you???
Sep 21st, 2012 - 07:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0Its to replace the 1 peso coin
Sep 21st, 2012 - 07:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0I look forward to Germany's 2 euro coin showing the invasion of Poland and Russia issuing commemorative coins showing their occupation of Eastern europe. How lovely.
Sep 21st, 2012 - 07:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0How very peaceful of CFKC to celebrate an invasion.
Sep 21st, 2012 - 07:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0@agent999 that's not what I remember. I was living in Rio Gallegos in 1982 and the whole town went mad with excitement at the invasion. Bs As was packed with people celebrating, so no, the majority of Argentines weren't against the invasion in '82. They were right behind it.
Sep 21st, 2012 - 07:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0That would be what we saw broadcast around the world then? would'nt it.
Sep 21st, 2012 - 08:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0How much is 2 peso's worth what does it buy in argentina?
Sep 21st, 2012 - 08:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0Just think in a few years the royal navys aircraft carrier will be visiting the Falklands it might even have aircraft on it.
10 J.A. Roberts
Sep 21st, 2012 - 08:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0Wasn't agent999 just being sarcastic with that post?
But its the fault of British colonialism and the Falkland Islanders that Argentina is in the mess they are now !
Sep 21st, 2012 - 08:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0@13 I think agent999 is one of ours...either that or a Campora troll has escaped its cage.
Sep 21st, 2012 - 08:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0They could at least have introduced a 2 peso note... you could wipe your bum with that....
@14 agent999,
Sep 21st, 2012 - 08:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0Of course its our fault.
We want Argentina to look bad, that makes us look good!
Don't be ridiculous, my man.
Are you not the master of your own fate?
Do you have to ask our permission before you make a move?
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l might get a few of these coins, strung together they'd make nice necklace or bangle.
Not much investment potential here....soon be wanting a wheelbarrow load for a loaf of bread ! They could be drilled out and made into cock-rings for all the Argentinian's who cant get it up.
Sep 21st, 2012 - 09:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0I wonder if the designer of this coin got a gobby from xtina for his work
Sep 21st, 2012 - 09:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0@13 & @15
Sep 21st, 2012 - 09:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0Thanks Idlehands and Frank.
Don't forget everyone - we have suppressed the Scots, the Welsh and now we are displacing all those poor indigenous travellers.
Hmm, looking at the current exchange rate, that's a £0.27 coin.
Sep 21st, 2012 - 09:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0I can't help but wonder how long it'll be before the cost of production exceeds the face value of the coin. Or how long it'll be before the face value is less than the scrap value of the metal.
Argentina could be reinventing the time-honoured industry of crimping.
Far better to have your almost hyperinflating currency on notes anyway, that way you can print extra noughts on them and hane more money...
Only Argentina could celebrate a war it lost so humiliatingly.
Sep 21st, 2012 - 09:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0If it wasn't so sad it might be funny, retards of the highest rank.
It won't be long before the story is changed to one where it starts in May 1982, the Malvinas are a peaceful democratic province of Argentina and then the dastardly Brits invaded to steal the Islands from the glorious motherland of Argentina. They'll introduce a 1 million peso coin to commemorate their loss. It'll be enough to buy a bag of chips with change left over to buy a lollipop.
Sep 21st, 2012 - 09:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0We look forward to the Victory Bar issueing its own version of a coin to celebrate this momentos landing of a bunch of cowardly ,poorly led,poorly fed ,no hopers !
Sep 21st, 2012 - 10:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0#21
Sep 21st, 2012 - 10:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0Selective memory, they remember the glorious invasion - not the rest.
I remember discussing this with an Argentine friend when they were 'celebrating' the Falklands War. I asked why they celebrate a war they lost so badly and surely it must be an embarrassment to them and they should be commemorating the dead. 'No, no', was the reply, 'We should celebrate!'. Celebrate what? The fact that you are no good at fighting wars and so many men lost their lives on a fools errand? What do you do to celebrate? Sing songs about losing and chanting 'We are losers, we are losers'? I got a blank look in response before being told, 'You make me feel angry”. LOL!
Sep 21st, 2012 - 10:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0I wonder what the Chileans think of this new coin... as one said to me once... 'Never trust an Argentinian with a map”.
Sep 21st, 2012 - 10:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0Did you know it is made out of scrap metal !
Sep 21st, 2012 - 10:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0“American regional cause” - and how does this become a regional cause for SA?
Sep 21st, 2012 - 10:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0The things a desperate nation will do, to get money ,
Sep 21st, 2012 - 11:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0The coin will be useless outside argentina,
And worth zero,
It is just a publicity stunt,
And the only ones who fall for it,
Are brain dead Argies.
Still
If it was a solid gold coin,
Then it would be different .lololosers..
I presume that there will be another coin issue celebrating the 14 June 1982. !
Sep 21st, 2012 - 11:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yes - it will be called the “Run to/from the Hills Rouble”
Sep 21st, 2012 - 11:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0As history shows us,
Sep 21st, 2012 - 11:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0The invading armies arrive showering the locals with, coin,,,
And leave with the paper version,
Toilet paper was the proverbial we believe …
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The new 2 Pesos Malvinas should be called the 'Loser'
Sep 21st, 2012 - 11:38 am - Link - Report abuse 012... That will be nice won't it the first cruise down south in the super carrier...prob will only have 12 max f35bs on it, but that will be more than enough to have some fun.
Sep 21st, 2012 - 11:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hmmmm i thought CFK had said that she did not believe in anything the Milatry Junta stood for or did! I guess this is one of those thigns that she is very proud of the former milatry Junta for having done. In fact proud enough to commerate an illegal invasion and attempted ethnic cleansing operation which was the basis for the only binding UN resolution on the Islands. This would be akin to Germany minting a coin commemerating the invasion of Polond in 1939.
Sep 21st, 2012 - 11:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0''Pan y Circo'' as i always said, this government is a joke.
Sep 21st, 2012 - 11:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0On tries to remain objective and not use vulgar or offensive expressions, but whoever “coined” the expression Argetards has really summed up the government and the people of Argentina who voted them in.
Sep 21st, 2012 - 12:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Also, could some one actualy explain to me why Argetnina claims it has rights to Antartic,South Samwich Islands and South Georgia. Im not being provacative in this, it is the only aspect of the whole dispute which baffles me. Is it purely based on proximity or is there something Im missing?
Sep 21st, 2012 - 12:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@36 I prefer Antonio Banderas opening line in the film Evita (god I just street creed for admitting Ive seen that film) “oh what a circus, oh what a show”
Evita is cancer, the $100 pesos with the face of Evita has finally released. Next thing, release the $50 pesos paper with the face of Kretina or Moreno :|
Sep 21st, 2012 - 12:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Regarding the islands, its purely based in proximity and that is plain wrong, there's not a single valid reason at all. Its all invented.
Not to mention that claiming something based on proximity is primitive as hell.
38 EnginnerAbroad - I quite liked the musical Evita. It's a good musical romp as long as you don't take it seriously.
Sep 21st, 2012 - 12:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@40 Idlehands
Sep 21st, 2012 - 12:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Same could be said for CFK and her government. Although they tend to whine rather than sing.
@40 I agree. If you listen to the lyrics thought you can actualy hear alot of the contempary views held about the subject. I.e. the lines “They did say much but they said it loud” (Still a very typical trait of Peronism) “Instead of a state they gave us a crowd” (again very typical of Peronists). It is scaving in its view of the Evita Fund talking about “when the money keeps rolling out you dont keep books” and “accountants only get in the way”, as well as indicating that much of the money went astray and that the fund did not actualy help a nation only a few luckily people and that its goal was to endear her to the people but not to help them. I dont know if you have ever seen the stage play but in that we learn more about ABs character Chez (sometimes missinterpreted as Che Guavara) Chez was a middle class Argentine who got swept up in the euthoria of the Peronist victory to only relaise it was a farce designed to allow Peron and his cronies to sieze power and hold it. The song a Waltz for Chez and Evita is him and her arguing over how he feels they destoryed the country. The music is very upbeat the lyrics are actualy very downbeat and critical (which is not suprising as this is exacly the formula used in Tango music), for example there are many examples of Carlos Gradel (appolgoise for the spelling) singing about how shit life is with a masisve smile on his face and to upbeat music.
Sep 21st, 2012 - 12:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0printed truth here.And not recovered, returned to usurp the islands for you!.
Sep 21st, 2012 - 12:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And most pathetic of you, if not for much help, not gain ever
I was more into the music than the message of the film. Sounds great on a THX certified surround sound with a sub-woofer!!
Sep 21st, 2012 - 12:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@Gustbury
Sep 21st, 2012 - 01:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Maybe you could explain to me the Argentina view over South Samwich Islands, South Georgia and British Antartic territory.
Please dont take this as a challenge I am genuinly intrested to know on what basis Argentina claims these territories.
Are you implying you actually understood Gustbury's post in the first place? I didn't have a clue what he was saying.
Sep 21st, 2012 - 01:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@46 I think he was agreeing with everything posted on this thread.
Sep 21st, 2012 - 01:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/11/07/article-2058677-0EB4195900000578-565_306x436.jpg
Sep 21st, 2012 - 01:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We should start printing a new 1 million peso note with this adorned upon it.
Given the current state of the Argentine economy, they may not be able to afford paper by the time their hyperinflation reaches this level.
Illegal act of war commemorated on one coin and a Nazi sympathiser on the other, that's sounds like the Banana Republic of Argentina.
Sep 21st, 2012 - 01:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0PS How did that war go?
45 EnginnerAbroad (#)
Sep 21st, 2012 - 01:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sep 21st, 2012 - 01:01 pm
I don't think Gustbury understands English sufficiently to answer your question, so to save him/her embarrasment I'll try to answer you:
In 1941, when Perón visited his Axis idols Hitler and Mussolini, they convinced him that they would win the WWII, and would hand over the Falkland Islands and their Dependentcies to Argentina, thus increasing Argentinas projection towards the Antarctic to the tune of 12.000.000 Km2.
Although the South Sandwich and South Georgia Islands no longer depend from the Falkland Islands, the Argentine claim still clings to its original rubbish.
So the claim really comes from the SSI and SGI being a one time Dependency of the FI.
are our Spanish heritage, usurped by brits. Brit Bobo here I have your banana !!!
Sep 21st, 2012 - 01:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@50
Sep 21st, 2012 - 01:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thank you Simon, i didn't know about that.
Although i knew about Peron and Hitler's Friendship and how Peron allowed nazis to hide in Argentina.
Embarrasing to say the least.
I always got the impression they threw in SG & SSI in order to have a bargaining chip. What they really want is the Falklands so they would concede their claim to the other two in any negotiation.
Sep 21st, 2012 - 01:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@50 Thanks for that so it pretty much is the argument that the dependcy of your dependy over which we claim sovernighty is our depenency.
Sep 21st, 2012 - 02:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What is intresting is I thought the Argentina claim to the FI (in part and now often discredited as violting the most basic legal principle of Nemo dat quod non habet) is that South America up to certain longitude was given to them by the Borgia Pope. What is intresting is that although the FI lie in this region the other islands lie beyond this longitude and are in the area granted to Portugal and therefore only Brazil would have any “legitiamate” claim to these other islands.
In practice I assume the case is pretty much that Peron wanted to stir up anti british sentiment in order to remove the British buisness' from Argentina which up until Peron controlled the majority of trade out of Bs As, ran the banking system and controlled the Nitrite mines in the north, and therefore just lumped in any british terriotry he could into the FI claim to further inflame nationilst sentiment.
To dear Mr. “Santa Fe” or whatever is your real name.
Sep 21st, 2012 - 02:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have personally seen monuments and milestones remembering the fallen of Gallipoli and Dieppe in the UK, Canada and Australia.
In addition, I don't consider those battles, neither FI as “a humilianting defeate for Argentina” nor Gallipoli or Dieppe as “humiliating defeates” for UK mainly when I was confortable, warm and safe at home at that time.
I don't understand your suprise because why Argentina cannot remember those who fell doing his duty to his country in a lost war or battle.
Those who have read my comments know that I hate CFK ..so I don't need to clarify my position about her.
@55
Sep 21st, 2012 - 02:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You can remember the fallen soldiers, but not celebrate a war of agression on a coin, the actual act itself. Sorry, but on this one the CFK's have completely disgusted me. They are really disturbed people in their morals.
@56 Exactly.
Sep 21st, 2012 - 03:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@56. Bloody hell TIT, are we in agreement for once ?
Sep 21st, 2012 - 03:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hold the phone...did Tobi just post something that makes sense and, at the same time, not have an aneurysm? Everybody, mark this date - 21 Sep 12, Tobi made sense and .... It's in the books.
Sep 21st, 2012 - 03:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina is a banana republic with a ridiculous “sudaka” president with a blown up botox face and hair extensions. She is as fake as they come, she is a low level dirty thief and the whole world knows it and that is why Argentine currency is not accepted ANYWHERE. The people in the banana republic of Argentina, the rest of the “sudaka” population, think they are important because before 1950, when fascist President Juan Domingo Perón and his cheap prostitute wife Evita came into power and stole the country's gold and money, and accepted jewelry that belonged to the Jews in eastern europe in excange for letting the Nazi criminals hide out in Argentina, Argentina was a normal and prosperous country. Ever since Peron was in power, Argentina has become a dirt bag country and the current president is a dirt bag populist banana queen that soon will destroy the country once again, like has happened so many times, Argentine dirt bags never learn. They are the same stupid “sudakas” as always. At the protest outside of the Kennedy school the day the banana botox queen gives her speech, protesters are going to stand out yelling “KRETINA LA REINA BOTOX” with bananas in their hands. And please tell the botox queen to inject a lot of botox in her neck before she gives her speech, the turkey neck is hanging down so low it looks like my scrotum!
Sep 21st, 2012 - 03:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Help - I think I've just had a heart attack and gone blind as a result. Has the sky fallen in, the world stopped turning and England won the world cup?
Sep 21st, 2012 - 03:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@55 pgerman
Sep 21st, 2012 - 03:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0...or whatever your name is (see, goes both ways)
Kudos to you for understanding that CFK has an immoral and irresponsible personal and political agenda.
However, the coins are a political propaganda exercise celebrating an unprovoked aggression against an unarmed peaceful, self-governing neighbour.
Worse, no Declaration of War and a sneak attack as well.
The falklanders have shown that they fully support memorials showing respect for fallen Argentinians in that conflict. They have a cemetery there for them, after Argentina rejected them as patriots.
It is not likely that any Brit or Falklander would object to a coin commemorating fallen soldiers.
You have already stated that you are a , Malvinista, insisting that The Falkland Islands are Argentinian.
Sounds like your viewpoint is biased and you do indeed, agree with the CFK government.
guys Tobias is a great wind up merchant and at times we all take the bait.
Sep 21st, 2012 - 03:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0without him and his many personas these threads would die.
@5 This was a minority? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xqwNsmzCbM
Sep 21st, 2012 - 03:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@14 Why don't you blame the United States? The only ones to ever remove trespassers from our Islands!
@19 Forgot the Irish? Indigenous?
@20 It's only £0.26. No charity!
@24 Glorious invasion? 66,000 argies versus 80 Royal Marines. What's “glorious” about that?
@43 Gobbledegook!
@50 Always a mistake for thieves to share the spoils before they've got their jackboots on them!
@51 Your heritage is genocide. And you continue that today!
@55 In respect of Gallipoli and Dieppe, I haven't been able to find anything that suggests that 11,000 British/Allied troops surrendered. Even taking the two actions together. We have considerable cause to be proud of British, Canadian, New Zealand, Australian, Newfoundland and American troops. There is no record that anyone surrendered! And you? Celebrating that no argie is admitted to having fallen over his feet and drowned?
@64
Sep 21st, 2012 - 04:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Heck you celebrate your empire in North America, Australia, and some caribbean and pacific islands, and sub-saharan africa.
you: cannons, gunpowder, muskets, old-tech rifles, ships, filthy diseases.
them: bows, arrows, unprepared immune systems.
How brave of you to build your glorious empire against such formidable opposition, lol. (same applies for the French, Dutch, Spanish, Portuguese of course, and the Italians and Germans in Africa).
Must be proud.
4 Santa Fe
Sep 21st, 2012 - 04:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How very well remembered of you!! As I recall it was Lt Col Andrew Whitehead of 42 Commando who said “With 100 marines and enough ammunition I could have died of old age up here”
I think he might have been talking about the Argentine positions on two sisters..........
I have a question for the more financially minded of you. With inflation running at 25% or whatever insane figure it is, does this then kind of make the issue of this coin useless? wouldn't a 50 peso coin be more appropriate?
A two peso coin celebrating the Galtieri dictatorship - how appropriate.
Sep 21st, 2012 - 04:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How pathetic can you be?
Sep 21st, 2012 - 04:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 5 agent999
Sep 21st, 2012 - 05:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“The 1982 invasion was not supported by by the majority of Argentinians, so don't blame us”
It wasn't our fault. The illegal, unconstitutional, evil dictatorship did it.
In “The Question of Malvinas Islands and the Bicentennial of Argentina”, Federico Lorenz wrote:
“The disembarkation of April 2 [1982] was backed by several sectors of the Argentine society. Even many of the victims of the military dictatorship, in prison or in exile, agreed on the recovery, ...” http://alfredoatanasof.com.ar/link_libro/the_question_of%20_malvinas_and_the_bicentennial.pdf
29 April 1982 Ernesto Sabato, a staunch opponent to the Junta wrote in the Argentine newspaper “La Nacion”:
“In Argentina it is not a military dictatorship that is fighting. It is the whole people, her women, her children, the old people, regardless of their political persuasion. Opponents to the regime like myself are fighting for our dignity, fighting to extricate the last vestiges of colonialism. Don't be mistaken, Europe, it is not a dictatorship that is fighting for the Malvinas; it is the whole nation.” (thanks to Lord Ton for this juicy text).
http://alfredoatanasof.com.ar/link_libro/the_question_of%20_malvinas_and_the_bicentennial.pdf
http://alfredoatanasof.com.ar/link_libro/the_question_of%20_malvinas_and_the_bicentennial.pdf
Remeber this is a Port-A-John web site for
Sep 21st, 2012 - 05:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Conor Louden-Brown=Troy Tempest
Simon68=Craig R= Zhivago= the chinese residing in Tierra del Fuego, see the Economist “Argetnina cooking Books”'.
Isolde=Yensere-ly Skare of SussieUS
Conqueror/Captain Poppy
and the rest of the UK team Falkloosers retards!
jejeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeje
65 Truth_Telling_Troll
Sep 21st, 2012 - 05:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentines have never invaded a country and tried to enslave a population, or murdered the indigenous population of their own country have they? LOL
No, they just throw nun's out of planes don't they?
@65 T i T
Sep 21st, 2012 - 05:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“you: cannons, gunpowder, muskets, old-tech rifles, ships, filthy diseases.
them: bows, arrows, unprepared immune systems.”
So, you say this is, bad ? Or. immoral? Right?
That sort of thing happened 200-300 years ago. The same sort of thing that Argentina 'celebrates' today, in your own history of genocide.
However, not to be distracted, the CIVILISED world, and MODERN states have moved on from that sort of behaviour, acknowledged it and recognised it for what it was.
On the other hand, Argentina...
Well, we've been there before and argued this all through, countless times, and you cannot make a case for doing it today. The hypocrisy is all Argentina's.
Good try, but predictable.
Back on topic:
This is today. Argentina, wants to celebrate, and in fact, glorify, a 1982 unprovoked, sneak attack against an unarmed, peaceful, neighbour ( no oil in sight, by the way), in order to subjugate them. Occupation officers openly discussed eliminating the “problem” of the Falklands, ie the indegenous population of the Falklands.
How humiliating that you were defeated, with the help of the Islanders themselves, and they were “freed”, as they put it.
10,000 heavily armed Argentinian troops and Air Force against 80 Royal Marines and 2000 sheep farmers.
A classic, “subdue the local population and take what Argentina wants” scenario.
Bravo, noble, brave Argentina!!!
I'm surprised they still keep making ARS2 coins. What can you buy with ARS2? It's worth about 20p. You'd think it'd be at least a copper coin rather tan the shiny gold and silver thing it is. Makes it look worth something.
Sep 21st, 2012 - 05:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@72
Sep 21st, 2012 - 05:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You cannot move on from something you neither never actually apologized officially for nor trully repented of doing.
As for Argentina's internal policy, I would agree Argentina should leave the islanders alone, but what we do internally is our business and no one elses.
How pathetic are rgenweener that is like Germany issuing a coin to celebrate invasion of Poland in 39, why would you want to commemorate a war YOU started and lost, rgenweener are getting more pathetic by the day. Time to spin up silos 5 and 8 and introduce them to MIRV fookin wankers. The sooner you decent people get rid of this sad woman and her deluded hangers on the better, and the world will be a better place.
Sep 21st, 2012 - 05:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@74 T i T
Sep 21st, 2012 - 06:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“As for Argentina's internal policy, I would agree Argentina should leave the islanders alone, but what we do internally is our business and no one elses.”
Oh, dear, that old argument again - another stock phrase, another blind alley to distract and deflect.
Saying things over and over again does not make them true.
You've argued this before and lost, every time .
“what we do internally is our business and no one elses.”
Sure, tell that to the people you are currently subduing today. I'm sure they think it is THEIR business and others should know.
Hmmm, seems to me that the UN is interested in this one.
However, back on topic:
To sum up, Argentina still feels it can subdue populations to take what they want.
Simple question:
Do YOU support the 2 Peso commemorative coin?
“Do YOU support the 2 Peso commemorative coin?”
Sep 21st, 2012 - 06:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0When you learn how to read, perhaps you will find out.
Checking the pictures of the coin, it's clear that the coin doesn't mention anything about the FI war. There are three dates (years), 1833-1982-2012, so I can say that it's “neutral”.
Sep 21st, 2012 - 06:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It might be that the british people who belief that FI belong to UK feel anger to the fact that the shape of the islands are in an argentine coin. I can understand this but that's part of the issue, both countries believe that the FI are part of them.
Dear 69 St.John. You usually write about how popular the invasion was. I wrote it several times, I lived it, it is part of my personal experience.
While some people were happy and went to Plaza de Mayo to cheer a large quantity of others, most of us, were astonished and frightened about what Galtieri had done.
My relatives, who were against the militars ruling the country since the very beginning, could not believe that Argentina, a Third World Country, could challenge the third fleet of the world (and the First in Europe)...don't keep me showing media articles, pictures or links. I have seen them “live”. I can remember my mother coursing “these stupid militars that finally put us in a war” .
Some people went to the Plaza de Mayo to cheer up as if the country had won a World Cup.
In addtion, I saw tapes of british people cheering up the fleet leaving the UK to FI as if they were going to take part in a party !!!...
Troll
Sep 21st, 2012 - 06:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not wanting to play semantics with you.
Why be cryptic?
Do YOU support the issuing of the COIN??
Too complicated?
2 peso coin, worth about 1/2 pence.
Sep 21st, 2012 - 06:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0To celebrate a failed invasion against a peaceful island.
What more can we expect from a warmongering peronist. Oh yes, they celebrate the biggest Nazi loving party member of all Eva Peron.
As our troll friends from the Argentine would say “ja ja ja ja”
If it was not so sad, it would be funny
@ 76 Troy Tempest
Sep 21st, 2012 - 06:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0see # 56 Truth_Telling_Troll which makes it quite clear.
@79
Sep 21st, 2012 - 06:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have no obligation to answer to you people as if you were my masters.
Seems you haven't moved on one bit afterall have you?
Perhaps the UK should make a coin with the same map, the same dates, and 'Self-Determination under the UN Charter' written round the edge.
Sep 21st, 2012 - 06:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Apologies TTT
Sep 21st, 2012 - 06:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Wow, never thought I would say that!!
Thanks for that answer - refreshing.
You could have directed me to @56 though, instead of being upset
we know who your masters are.
@83
Sep 21st, 2012 - 06:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That would be a bit hypocritical given you have the “Gueule” of a woman for whose name colonies were held against their will. Yes, she herself (that's how old she is).
And even when she dies, whoever is on the coins/notes represents the insititution under which 400 years of murder, oppression and conquest was justified.
Dear HansNiesund, I agree with you this time.
Sep 21st, 2012 - 07:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The UK should make two different coins.
Both with “Self-Determination under the UN Chartes” but one with the shape of the FI on it and the other with the shape of the Chagos Island.
Or the second one with “Self-Determination under Law Lords” and the shape of the Chagfos Island.
@ 78 pgerman
Sep 21st, 2012 - 07:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“You usually write about how popular the invasion was. I wrote it several times, I lived it, it is part of my personal experience. ... a large quantity of others, most of us, were astonished and frightened about what Galtieri had done.”
Some, yes, but judged by the existing documentation, including the above quotations, the majority of Argentinos were cheering the invasion - until 14 June 1982.
I have a number of Argentino friends who say that “people were ecstatic about it - the idiots!” and even use the proper name, the ”Falklands Islands (never Malvinas) - leave the bloody islands alone and solve our real problems” - but they don't make up the majority 2 April 1982.
See also Galtieri ovacionado en Plaza de Mayo el 2 de Abril de 1982 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xqwNsmzCbM
Can you document otherwise?
@85
Sep 21st, 2012 - 07:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Still blaming the human condition on the uniquely evil British Empire, then? You should step out of that time machine sometime, or at least put a periscope in it.
But bravo for @56.
@88 I'm sorry I didn't mean to offend you with my comment. Please, accept my appologies if I have offended you.
Sep 21st, 2012 - 07:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The funny thing is that the philosophy I displayed on reply 56 is directly a result of my philosophy on the British (and other) european Empires.
Sep 21st, 2012 - 07:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A right does not make a wrong, two rights do not make a wrong.... And one million rights do not matter if they were enabled by an original wrong.
Even if we assume very very very generously that European colonization of other continents was overwhelmingly good, that is all nullified by the fact that it started with a moral, ethical, and legal wrong. And that's that.
Celebrating a war of agression is wrong. I have the guts to say it, fine. Justifying empire like so many here do, based on how the countries involved were brought into “civilization”, is equally wrong. So the hypocricy clearly lies elsewhere too.
@90
Sep 21st, 2012 - 07:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Very sensible and thought out comments. Thank you.
@All
There is actualy a possible change comming about with the Chagos Islands. Please see this report from the New African.
http://www.newafricanmagazine.com/features/politics/mauritius-wind-of-change-blows-over-diego-garcia
Its so ridiculous and a complete waste of time, instead of focusing in important problems, they just keep making this crap up like if it was real.
Sep 21st, 2012 - 07:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Let the fallen soldiers in both place rest in peace and respect the self determination.
@90
Sep 21st, 2012 - 07:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I doubt if you'll find many Brits prepared to argue the British Empire was all about bringing civilization.
What I don't get is your apparent belief that imperialism is a relatively modern phenomenon invented by Europeans and driven solely by their innate wickedness.
I cant believe that a country mints a coin to commemorate a total humiliation
Sep 21st, 2012 - 07:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Truth_Telling_Troll (#)
Sep 21st, 2012 - 08:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0One question,
Do you believe Argentina had a right for and reason, to invade a defenceless unarmed peaceful little island without provocation,
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Do you honestly believe , that in this day and age,
Of freedom and democracy,
CFK on behalf of argentina should renounce all claims now and forever over the Falkland islands,
And leave them to live in peace without threat or hindrance,
You reply please,
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I like the coin....I can only see a tiny error.
Sep 21st, 2012 - 08:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It should read 1832 “year of usurption” other than that perfect.
November 1832 was when the penal colony was illegally set up on the island and the United Provinces controlled the island under Mestevier.
Mestevier was of course murdered by his own men, and his wife raped in front of his children...and Pinedo took command.
The usurption was over-turned in January 1833 when the HMS Clio arrived and removed Pinedo and the twenty or so militia. The peaceful civilian inhabitants (the private enterprise of Luis Vernet) was encouraged to stay.
So, commemorating the removal of the murdering rapists in 1833. Yes good.
Commemorating, the removal of the illegal invaders in 1982. yes good too.
Commemorating that this should be a region American issue..where a country is wilfully violating one of the governing principles of the UN Charter..and bullying a much smaller neighbour...yes also good.
I wonder if that was their aim?
Is this an insult to the soliers that lost the war......or an insult a country that is no longer argentina's? Either way it's a commemoration to being losers and has beens.
Sep 21st, 2012 - 08:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As long as it fill the coffers of CFK,
Sep 21st, 2012 - 08:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0why should she care ...
So they are celebrating a prostitute and getting their backsides kicked, what a strange government, wouldn't they want to celebrate an accomplishment?... oh wait- it's Argentina, it doesn't have any.
Sep 21st, 2012 - 08:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@78 are you blind the coin clearly says Malvinas with the year 1982 don't be a prick all your life take a day off it is a clear insult to both British and Argie troops who died in the war, to say anything else is a travesty to all who gave there lives. As for Botox head was it not her that said don't blame us for the actions of the junta and then releases a coin to commemorate thier actions, what a two faced lying cow wake up and smell the coffee dickhead. Spin up silos 8 and 11
Sep 21st, 2012 - 09:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Actually - they might be a good seller over here - nice idea to have one in the pocket to take out and have a bloody good laugh over at times!
Sep 21st, 2012 - 09:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It would be one thing to commerate the dead from the war, or the soldiers and sailors who served in the war, regardless of the fact they invaded. Military who serve do not question deployments. .......But to commemorate the illigal act of invading buffoons
Sep 21st, 2012 - 09:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Send us some they'd make good tokens for shopping trolleys. Pricks. Assume SQ1 spin up silos 6 and 7 permission to launch granted.
Sep 21st, 2012 - 09:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0103
Sep 21st, 2012 - 09:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0:-)
@65 I am. But then, generally speaking, we defended ourselves. We made friends with indigenous peoples. North American Indians fought WITH the British against French and Spaniards. Meanwhile, Spaniards and argies were killing as many Amerindians as they could find. Argies continue that genocide today.
Sep 21st, 2012 - 09:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@70 Why did you miss out shi*e on a stick, scabby, $2.00 a trick, whore-slut Sussie of 2012 fame? Get your STD with Sussie! Capable of 8 at a time. Discounts available for multiple shaggers if she doesn't have to get up!
@74 Apologise for what? Killing argies. That doesn't merit an apology. It's cause for a reward. Have never killed enough. Another mistake in '82. Should have castrated every argie that surrendered. At least you would have been able to tell which ones were “veterans”.
@82 Of course you're under no obligation. Especially when you can't make up a valid answer. And turds can't come up with answers anyway. Is there a difference between an argie and a turd? Of course there is. Argies come from whatever a*se they were last up. That's why they're chocolate-coloured!
@90 And how do you justify your 200 years of genocide? Pig!
Officer of the watch - Captain sir we're still alongside in Scotland?
Sep 21st, 2012 - 09:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Captain - That's ok they're still in range launch as ordered and then let the lads go home for the weekend.
OOW - Aye aye sir spinning up silos 6 & 7 launch sequence commenced :)
106 Slattzzz
Sep 21st, 2012 - 09:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0:)
I don't suppose they could reach Chubut could they?
Oh yes heres MIRV
Sep 21st, 2012 - 09:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0108
Sep 21st, 2012 - 09:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Trident II?
78 pgerman
Sep 21st, 2012 - 10:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”In addtion (addition), I saw tapes of british (British) people cheering up the fleet leaving the UK to FI as if they were going to take part in a party !!!...”
Of course you did, it was all the relatives of the British Armed Forces supporting their men folk as they went off to war, perhaps never to return.
I realise that this concern for your military is an alien concept to Argentineans but is an HONOURABLE DUTY for all genuine British people to do.
And our troops suffered appalling difficulties in recovering British territory from the cowards who were ensconced there.
No excuses for any mature Argentinean who was alive at the time of the invasion. Those who now bleat that it wasn't them to blame miss one major point: there were NO PLACARDS AGAINST THE WAR and no demonstrations against the invasion. You lot still went ape-shit against the Junta when they lost, so you couldn't be that frightened by them from the beginning.
Despicable people.
64 Conqueror
At 6.3 blue pesos to the USD and 1.56 USD to the GBP the losers' coin is worth £0.20. Remember 'No Charity'.
Yep 2d5 12 MIRV per missile enough for rgenweener one missile would do it
Sep 21st, 2012 - 10:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@24 CJvR,
Sep 21st, 2012 - 10:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So you admit that you were“lnvaders” in 1982.
Glorious or not, to be an “invader” admits that you do not own the land that you are “invading”
Thank you for that.
Happy Spring Equinox everyone.
@95
Sep 21st, 2012 - 10:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'll trully effaced from having to respond to this question over and over. Those who are observant know my personal position on the Falklands. Go ask them what my position is.
“to invade a defenceless unarmed peaceful little island without provocation”
That's the most succint, pithy, and compendius description of British history yet. Well done.
@112 Thier not allowed to admit anything CFk won't allow it, but it wasn't an invasion it was a landing .......... Apparently ;)
Sep 21st, 2012 - 10:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That's disgusting, commemorating a war like this on their currency. Argentina continues to reach new lows.
Sep 21st, 2012 - 11:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Revealing of the peronist order of values- Evita is fifty times as important as the Falklands, for all the rhetoric.
Sep 22nd, 2012 - 01:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0How much would the coin or note be for an Argentine victory, like the Dirty War?
You guys need to understand TTT. He doesn't think Argentina should have the Falklands. His campaign on here is to simply counter-attack anyone who puts his country down for reasons other than CFK's policy on the Falklands. Especially when some of the mud being thrown around is simply bullshit. Tell him Argentina has high crime he'll quote you figures that show the UK / Europe / the US (depending on where you come from) is the same or worse. Tell him the beaches are crap he'll throw Brighton Beach in your face, etc, etc.
Sep 22nd, 2012 - 06:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0He has made it clear countless times that he believes we should be left alone in the Falklands and also that he's not a fan of the CFK Government. But attack his homeland on non-related issues and he will defend his country. I don't have a problem with that.
TTT, I hope I got that right. Please correct me if not. Be easy on me though. I am hobbling around on a sore knee (jogging injury I think) and I don't have the reserves for a fight.
@ TTT
Sep 22nd, 2012 - 08:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0its compendiOus* arseface, learn how to spell, and using a thesaurus to repeat the same word in several different ways doesn't make you sound smarter, quite the contrary actually, specially when you can't even spell the words correctly, as usual
@ TTT
Sep 22nd, 2012 - 08:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0its also “I'm”, not “I'll”
I think I get it: TTT defends Argentina, but acts like such a fool whilst doing so, that he discredits Argentina's defense; thus effectively trolling Argentina while trying to appear to do the opposite at initial glance.
@ TTT
Sep 22nd, 2012 - 08:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0truly, not “trully”
Como ya te dije, hablo espanol mejor que hablas ingles, y ingles es mi lengua nativa.
But I get it, you're trolling Argentina by defending it like someone who lacks intelligence, as stated in post # 119 ;D
@117. TTT is an perfect example of the nationalistic curse of Argentina. He cannot take any criticism whatsoever of anything to do with Argentina because to him that is a personal insult. It is not. And because he is raised to be personally hurt by any suggestion that everything is not perfect in Argentina, he is compelled to defend the indefensible. That is when he looks foolish. He makes some good and thought provoking points but resorts to spitting venom because he feels it is his duty to defend Argentina no matter what.
Sep 22nd, 2012 - 10:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0This is dangerous thinking because all governments should be held accountable. It is not treason to criticise governments, crime, policy, corruption or to express an opinion on it. In fact, one of the reasons Argentine governments get away with stealing, lying and corruption is because they have controlled the population with nationalism.
I am only surprised that so many intelligent Argentines cannot distinguish the difference between a personal insult and critical discussion of government.
The British papers state,
Sep 22nd, 2012 - 10:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0That the coin is worth 26 pence,
It claims the recovery of the islands and the other islands,
To be believed by the poor uneducated Argies,
The fact is, they have recovered nothing,
CFK has got them nothing,
End off,
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Still,
Could not the Falklands, have a commemorative coin of argentina and the Falklands on it,
And down the spine replace Argentina with the words British,
And of course Falklands at the bottom,
At the very least it would embarrass CFK and humiliate her,
Just a thought.
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Back in June her fine words of wisdom were :-
Sep 22nd, 2012 - 02:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Wars are not to be celebrated nor are they to be commemorated. Do you know why? Because many people lost their lives.”
I believe she has had made, a special boxed version of his coin, to be handed out to everyone at the UN.
@123
Sep 22nd, 2012 - 03:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They will come in handy for the Vending machines in the lobby!
Thursday Sept. 27th scrotum neck is going to give a speech at Harvard University!! Argentine and pr0-democratic students have totally trashed her on the website announcing her appearance and are planning a protest - bananas in hand - when she speaks.......forum.iop.harvard.edu/content/public-address-her-excellency-cristina-fern%C3%A1ndez-de-kirchner-president-argentina
Sep 22nd, 2012 - 03:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@122 Briton
Sep 22nd, 2012 - 04:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“The British papers state,
That the coin is worth 26 pence,”
Myself, I'll wait a few months - and buy them at 1/2 that price.
:-)
Argentinian politics (currently) doesnt contain a single bit of integrity at the top. Whatever was said or happened last week is irrelevant. Its week to week sensationalism. Every new event making the last redundant
Sep 22nd, 2012 - 06:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Judging by their inflation,
Sep 22nd, 2012 - 07:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You may get it for a penny.lol.
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@128 - briton
Sep 22nd, 2012 - 07:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well the way things are going the coins will be worth far more as scrap metal than at face value.
true,
Sep 22nd, 2012 - 07:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0very true.
This reminds me of the Battle of Cartagena. Where Vice admiral Edward
Sep 22nd, 2012 - 08:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Vernon tried to attack The Spanish Fort in Cartagena with 186 British Ships and 28000 military personnel against 3000 spanish regulars. The king of England had coins minded showing the British Admiral accepting the defeat of Cartagena before the battle took part from the Spanish Admiral. At the end 50 british ships were destroyed and 18000 military personnel killed. THE WORST DEFEAT THE BRITISH HAD EVER SEEN : The British admiral wrote a letter to the Spanish admiral stating:“ WE have decided to retreat,but we will return to Cartagena when we take in reinforcements in Jamaica”. Blas De Lezo replied. ”In order to come to Cartagena, The English King must build a better and larger fleet, because yours now is only suitable to transport coal from Ireland to London. When the King heard of the disaster he ordered that the loss of the battle should never be printed or spoken of to this day.
@131 ASS
Sep 22nd, 2012 - 08:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“This reminds me of the Battle of Cartagena. Where Vice admiral Edward
Vernon tried to attack The Spanish Fort in Cartagena with 186 British Ships and 28000 military personnel against 3000 spanish regulars.”
This would be very much the same then, I agree.
Except this time, There were 10,000 heavily armed Argentinians, with an Air Force, making a sneak attack at night - into the early hours of dawn, on an undefended town - not Fort with 4 ft thick walls, and not 3,000 “Regulars” (armed and trained troops with artillery), NOT 2,500 civilians with a few shoguns between them.
Hmmm, not alike at all, is it??
@131
Sep 22nd, 2012 - 09:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Right, we know. Typical aussie, always being reminded of the Battle of Caratgena and bringing it up at every opportunity. Dame Edna was always the same.
*132 I am talking about the COINS not the battle!!
Sep 22nd, 2012 - 11:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0133 Don´t mess with our dame!! God bless her!!
Here's Kirchner's Democracy.......censorship:
Sep 23rd, 2012 - 01:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2011/08/argentina-isps-ip-overblocking
What a joke. A coin celebrating an illegal invasion that resulted in the deaths and serious injuries of thousands of people, which was condemned by the UN and all civilised countries. A pointless invasion whose only function was to bolster a pathetic nationalist pride and support for a military junta, that the current leftist regime claims did not represent the Argentine people. The Argentine government is a disgrace. Is this crime, this failed invasion all they have to celebrate? If the Argentine people don't vote the rabble out at the next opportunity they have the government they deserve.
Sep 23rd, 2012 - 07:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0@133 HansNiesund,
Sep 23rd, 2012 - 10:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0He's not an Aussie.
@134 argentine/spanish/? sunshine,
Dame Edna would be your new Governor-General, then! lol
Just looked it up, since when have commemorative medals been coin of the realm! They printed medals! not coins! try and get out of that nasty RG habit of distorting the true facts to support your points of view.
Sep 23rd, 2012 - 10:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0137 I would prefer Dame Edna to The Brit ...anytime.
Sep 23rd, 2012 - 11:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0@139 - aussie sunshine
Sep 23rd, 2012 - 01:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just like you prefer delusions to reality, and lies to the truth.
However, back to the topic. It seems inconceivable that the Argentines would want to remember how they got their arses handed to them, but I suppose they only want remember the 'brave' victory of 10,000 Argentine troops taking on 80 Royal Marines, and a couple of thousand unarmed Islanders.
it is a commemoration of the soldiers from Arg that died in 1982 conflict, we remember the ones that gave their lives, and 1833 the beginning of the conflict, the arg expelled, and 2012 30 years from 1982. Dont bother. And they are Malvinas.
Sep 23rd, 2012 - 01:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0140 well The Argentines like to remember their dead like the British do. Just walk around London and their are statues and commemorations of the British Empire so why can´t the Argentinians do likewise??!! Don´t be selfish now!!
Sep 23rd, 2012 - 01:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0give back the bible to the cememtary.....still reading it and couldnt find a clue of the bible as proof??? how is going the investigation??? nothing, nothing.......how I would like to read the results of thissssss
Sep 23rd, 2012 - 01:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0142 there are statues...before Isolde comes along and tells me I am not an aussie.LOL
Sep 23rd, 2012 - 02:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0143 Malen
Sep 23rd, 2012 - 02:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They are still wiping their asses with your stupid bible, what are you going to do about it, nothing! Next time bury your soldiers you sentenced to death yourself instead of leaving them where they fell, rotting in the peat, if there is an afterlife I'm sure all those soldiers are enjoying themselves, eating roast beef and yorkshire pudding and drinking Tartan Lager by the keg with their British comrades who treated them far beter than their own countrymen.
@144 A S S
Sep 23rd, 2012 - 03:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“142 there are statues...before Isolde comes along and tells me I am not an aussie.LOL”
I am sure that Isolde can not even be bothered to respond to your attempt to bait her.
She called you out, and each time you ran to hide. You have not been able to back up your identity.
As suspected, you are an unimaginative Argie troll, nothing more.
Real Aussies tend to be witty, and have no tolerance for spouting crap.
Not even a good attempt. You were spotted a mile away.
If 'Sussie in the USA' was not away getting “medicated”, just now, I would suspect that you were just one more of his fictitious personalities.
Actually, 'Sussie' is far more entertaining. You are just a bore.
@141 - Malen
Sep 23rd, 2012 - 04:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 01833? No UP soldiers died on the Falklands at the hands of the British, only at the hands of each other, murderers and rapists.
As for 1982, well you started a war and you LOST that war. A war that every expert in the world said was impossible for the British to win. How humiliating for you, and yet you want to remember the part were 10,000 Argentine soldiers invaded a peaceful group of Islands, defended by 80 Royal Marines.mthe Argentine troops who outnumbered the unarmed indigenous population by 5-1. How thrilling to remember just how 'brave' your troops were on that day.
@142 - aussie
If its to commemorate their fallen, why does it commemorate the 30th anniversary of an illegal invasion and not the end of the conflict?
Why a coin? This is not a limited edition special coin, this is currency. Why a coin that is worth next to nothing? Why something that is so common that they are not treated with any due care or respect by the general populace?
Why not build a memorial? Better yet, why doesn't the Argentine government pay for the upkeep of the graves of the Argentine war dead? Instead of leaving it to the British, the Falkland Islanders and the relatives of the dead? They seem to be sloping their shoulders to dismiss that responsibility.
This is nothing more than a cheap, very cheap by the value of the coin, political stunt. This Argentine government has done nothing to help the wounded Argentine servicemen or their families. It has done nothing to help tend the graves of the war dead. In fact, every time they use the dead to try a score cheap political points, they spit on the graves of the dead.
I guess the issue of this coin shows just 'how valuable' the lives of those young men were and still are to the Argentine government - £0.26 and falling in value every day.
If it wasn't such a pathetic, desperate, and undignified act, and a slap in the face to all those who lost their lives, I'd laugh at the ridiculousness of it all.
Hey, great new coin. Almost as much value as Monopoly money.
Sep 23rd, 2012 - 04:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0---and a slap in the face to all those who lost their lives---
Sep 23rd, 2012 - 04:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Exactly. Respect for ALL.
Malvinistas dont have the humanity in them to do that.
@147 LEPrecon
Sep 23rd, 2012 - 06:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your response to “Aussie” - Well said, Sir!!!
You are completely, right - absolutely abhorrent and despicable political grandstanding by the CFK government.
Those people (including aussie) simply do not care about anyone else.
*146 blah blah blah!! man you¨re boring!! s*it
Sep 23rd, 2012 - 08:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0BK has been conspicuous as of late, I wonder if he and Aussie cornhole are the same person.
Sep 23rd, 2012 - 09:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0152 Zhivago
Sep 23rd, 2012 - 09:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I wouldn't think so.
BK or Blind_Scottie_Kirchnerist as I tag him has a much better command of the language than aussie raincloud (as confirmed by 151) but a reprehensible 'love' of TMBOA and is frankly a traitor to his own people.
@151 argentine sunshine,
Sep 23rd, 2012 - 10:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Only druggies & aging hippies say “man” in their conversation in Australia.
However l have noticed that Argentines say it a lot.
Are you an Argentine or perhaps a drugged aging Australian hippy?
Perhaps UK should mint a coin commemorating the landing of the SAS in Argentina prior to their escape to Chile?
Sep 23rd, 2012 - 10:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@151 A S S
Sep 23rd, 2012 - 10:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“ blah blah blah!! man you¨re boring!! s*it”
weak.
Do you call that a comeback?
Got any other brilliant ripostes?
The Argie Trolls are all a bunch of social misfits, but you are definitely a second stringer. I don't know why you even dress for the game.
*154 never mixed with that crowd but I see you did.
Sep 23rd, 2012 - 11:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0weak, again.
Sep 24th, 2012 - 01:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0You're an amateur compared to them, but I find it hard to tell you apart.
@157 argentine sunshine,
Sep 24th, 2012 - 07:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0You don't see anything mate.
your hole is getting deeper but you just keep digging.
Just admit to what you really are & we'll have just a little more respect for you.
Aussie.
Sep 24th, 2012 - 03:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You never answered my post @147.
Answer this as well. If this coin is to commemorate the dead, why does it have:
“Malvinas causa regional Americanas” on it? Why does it mention 1833 when no Argentine lives were lost (as Argentina didn't exist), and the only loss of life was UP soldiers murdering their own commanding officer?
Since when has Argentinas imperialist colonial ambitions been a regional cause in South America?
Apart from a few meaningless words of support to stop TMBOA from screeching, just what actual physical support does Argentina have?
Are you going to answer my post? Or are you going to remain silent and I will accept that as a sign that you agree with me?
On minute Argentina and its citizens condemn the Military Junta and its invasion and now they are creating a coin to commemorate said Juntas invasion.
Sep 24th, 2012 - 06:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Slight Hypocrisy?
Here in Argentina we are heavily protesting the Kirchner administration, their endless corruption in every corner of the government, stealing of public funds, outright lies to the public about everything from security to the economy to official inflation figures.
Sep 25th, 2012 - 02:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0Today we start a new protest in Argentina - it's called the “ANTI-KK campaña”. In our language “KK” is pronounced KaKa, and that is what we think of the Kirchner administration.
We ask all citizens against the Kirchner “KK” regime to leave a bag of excrement or bring your dog to defecate on the steps of Congress, on the steps of the Casa Rosada, or in front of the door of any office of “La Cámpora” or another militant organization of this joke of a president called “Kolina”.
Leave bags of excrement, or garbage or any other repulsive, non-dangerous item that stinks on the steps of or in front of any of these government related places. This is a peaceful protest, non-violent, and will send a strong message to the “KaKa” government that is destroying lives in Argentina.
KK para todos en el gobierno!.......
Harvard forum where CFK (ka ka queen) will give a speech on Thursday.......
http://forum.iop.harvard.edu/content/public-address-her-excellency-cristina-fern%C3%A1ndez-de-kirchner-president-argentina.......
This is how much her own people HATE her.......
www.facebook.com/RepudioACFKEnNuevaYork#!
And how turkey scrotum neck stays in power.......
www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyPC0SD0PGw
I would like to express that the coin is essentially to commemorate, remember, our fellow soldiers who fought and died in those cold waters and islands that we love so much. We are no celebrating anything at all. Respectfully, if I were you, I would do the same for your soldiers, who fought so bravely and died so far away from home. Fernando (war veteran)
Sep 25th, 2012 - 02:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#163
Sep 25th, 2012 - 04:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Fernando, no reasonable person would deny you remembering and respecting your fallen and wounded comrades in the war of 1982.
I believe veterans of both sides have met and corresponded without bitterness and rancour. It was a terrible experience for both sides and no doubt the scars remain with many who took part.
The problem with this coin is that it is not a commemoration of the dead and wounded but a cynical restatement of the Argentine claim to the Falklands and sub antarctic territories. We take this as an insult to the participants of both sides.
163 Fernando 63
Sep 25th, 2012 - 04:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Unlike your 'government' who does NOT care about their veterans like yourself, our people AND our government does.
Those members of our army, navy and air force who did exceptional effort in the 1982 conflict have ALREADY received their medals.
I think the likes of 3 Para, 42 Commando and especially the SAS would look on a blanket medal or coin issue as an insult. You got it for turning up.
Had your officers trained you, equipped you and fed you in a timely fashion then you and your comrades would not have suffered at THEIR HANDS. But you would still have lost.
And the reason you would have lost is very simple. You may love the islands but our forces LOVE a fight and it was British people at risk.
Fighting for their own soil is what they do best and the SAS are the downright murderers. They don't take prisoners unless it is for intelligence purposes. Murdering bastards! I LOVE every one of them!
It was your JUNTA supported by the population who now claim no knowledge or support that led to your failure.
I do hope that you find peace in the coin if that is what you want.
*165 The reason they lost was because they did not have Reagan on their side or because they did not have Pinochet on their back or because they had no support from world opinions SIMPLY BECAUSE IT WAS A DICTATORSHIP or because their were no professional soldiers fighting. Today is a different arena........ Eventhough i deplore wars of any kind.
Sep 25th, 2012 - 06:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0and I would not call the SAS “murderers”..warriors but not murderers.
@163 - Fernandez 63
Sep 25th, 2012 - 06:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why then is the coin to commemorate the 30th anniversary of the Argentine invasion of the Falklands?
It commemerates an illegal violent act against the peaceful people of the Falklands, by a military who was guilty of murdering nearly 30,000 of their own people. An illegal invasion were the invasion force outnumbered the local population by 5-1, and outnumbered the Royal Marines by a margin of 125-1. An illegal invasion force who were there to oppress and ethnically cleanse the islands.
This coin isn't about Argentine war dead, it's about a corrupt and increasingly unpopular government try to score cheap political points with an increasingly disallusioned population.
They wave the Falklands cause, just like the military junta before them, in the hopes of distracting the population from the fact that they've destroyed the Argentine economy.
Tell me, Fernandez, if this Argentine government really cared about the Argentine war dead, why don't they put their money where their mouth is, and PAY for the upkeep of the Argentine war cemetery on the Islands? Why do they ignore it? Why do they leave it up to the British, the Falkland Islanders, and the relatives of the dead? Why don't they take responsibility for it's upkeep? That's surely a better way of honouring the dead than issuing an extremely low value coin, isn't it? A coin that will be nothing more than loose change for most people in Argentina, and not treated with any respect.
Face it, this is so blatantly a politcal ploy, that it can be seen from the moon.
But believe what you want to believe. The world can see the truth behind this, because the world isn't taken in by Argentine fairy tales anymore. It's a pity people like you still are.
*167 There should not be any Argentinian cemetary in The Falklands. Those boys should be sent home today with their families and not lay there in that cold damn Earth all alone.
Sep 25th, 2012 - 06:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#166
Sep 25th, 2012 - 07:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are factually incorrect. The Argentines had professional soldiers there.
601/602 Commando and Special forces units.
The 5th Marine Infantry Battalion although having conscripts were supposedly a well trained elite unit and had a cadre of professional NCO's and Officers..
Add to this the Argentine Air force and Navy.
Britain had to fight most of its wars relying on conscripts and seemed to be able to fight its way through.
Take the story of the Gloucester Regiment at hill 235 on the Imjin river in Korea. A regiment consisting of regulars, conscripts and reservists held off three divisions of the Chinese Army until they were overwhelmed by numbers. It depends who your conscripts are.
@168 - aussie
Sep 25th, 2012 - 08:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You'll get no argument from any British or Falkland Islander. We agree, all these bodies should be disinterred and returned home to Argentina.
The problem is that the Argentine government refuses to allow them to return home, as in their warped mind by having them their makes their claims to the islands valid somehow.
The families of the dead are also reluctant to have the bodies returned, but for different reasons. They know that the British and Falkland Islanders will respect and look after these graves, they don't get the same feeling that the Argentine government would do the same. I mean, not one Argentine government since 1982, has offered to pay for the maintenance of the graves.
*170 Well they should be made to look after the graves by using international courts even the UN .DNA should be done on the bodies and given to their rightful families.
Sep 25th, 2012 - 09:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@171
Sep 25th, 2012 - 10:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A very laudable suggestion but you are talking about a 'government' that uses their dead as political pawns.
BTW the SAS revel in the terror that their reputation brings to their target, understandably so. We KNOW they are among the best in the world at what they do, killers of the highest echelon. Love 'em to bits.
Still waiting for the 500 peso note...badly needed as the peso is so worthless.
Sep 25th, 2012 - 10:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@171
Sep 26th, 2012 - 05:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0I agree with your sentiments.
The families of the dead would surely prefer their loved ones to be in graves that they could easily visit rather than being used for the careers of politicians.
@168 0z
Sep 26th, 2012 - 06:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0“*167 There should not be any Argentinian cemetary in The Falklands. Those boys should be sent home today with their families and not lay there in that cold damn Earth all alone.”
I'm sure the islanders would prefer that.
Look at the political mileage that the Kirchnerites got out of the broken glass incident in August.
Ask yourself why you support those fascists.
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