At least 21.9% of Argentines poor, according to the Catholic University
Poverty in Argentina is at least three times the official figure presented by the controversial government stats office, Indec, if the criteria and methodology applied by the Argentine Catholic University Social Debt Barometer are taken into account.
The work hypothesis is very reasonable and argues on the official methodology applied by Indec which states that a person can live in Argentina with 13 Pesos daily (2.80 US dollars at the official exchange rate and 2 dollars at the parallel market), since it estimates that a family of four ceases to be poor with a daily income of 52 Pesos (11.20 and 8 US dollars).
Based on this definition, according to official propaganda, poverty in Argentina has been falling semester after semester and now stands at 6.5% of the population, equivalent to 2.2 million people, which does not necessarily coincide with some daily symptoms such as thousands scavenging garbage containers in all Argentine cities and in the city dumps.
But according to the Argentine Catholic University Social Debt Barometer, supported by regular surveys, an estimated 10.8 million poor people live in Argentine cities of which 2.1 million in conditions of indigence.
To reach these numbers the Catholic University works with the same basic basket of Indec but adjusted to real inflation (24% versus the official 10%) and taking into account the prices of some provinces stats offices considered reliable.
The conclusion is that an Argentine family not to be considered poor needs a daily income of 120 Pesos (26 and 19 US dollars according to the exchange rate), which works out at 30 Pesos per person per day or 3.600 Pesos per month for a family of four (782 and 562 US dollars).
Based on this estimate, poverty in Argentina would treble or more the official 6.5% from Indec to 21.9% from the Argentine Catholic University studies.
The government of Nestor Kirchner in 2007 intervened Indec which until then was considered a very professional institution, serious and reliable, and converted it in a nest of political cronies with the purpose of adapting the stats to favour government policy.
Now Indec is now less reliable than its similar organization in Byelorussia and its conclusions have even been publicly questioned by the IMF.
The purpose of Kirchner was to lower inflation (less than half the real index) so the government would pay less interest on the sovereign bonds tied to inflation and at the same time help to hide poverty.
That explains, according to Indec that in 2011 the poverty index was 6.7% and the level of indigence, 1.7%.
Reality however indicates that poverty in Argentina is far more extended. Yes it was brought down from over 50% in 2001/02 to 30/33% of the population but remains stagnant at that level despite of the commodities boom and the sustained expansion of the economy.
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It will be a big blow to dear Nestor's legacy so I doubt she'll change a thing.
LOL LOL LOL !!!
Poverty rate USA 2000 before internet bubble collapse: 11.2%
Poverty rate in Argentina post 2001 banking crisis: 50.4%
Poverty rate USA today: 15.6% (underreported, private estimates at 17%)
Poverty rate Argentina: 23.5% (composite of private estimates)
The trend is clear between recovery and decline.
In other news, Galuccio just arrived in London begging for English investment in YPF, hours before ass lips tells the UN assembly that the English are evil pirates and wants the Falklands back............Timing is everything in comedy!
So what is your point.That Argentina have done so much better than the USA for its people.
Yankeeboy,when are you flying in Superman?
I didn't pick any numbers, those are the just the numbers, whether you like them or not. I even discarded the INDEC figure, and did a composite of numbers ranging from 17% by UBA to 31% by CEPAL.
And the numbers are the real numbers and no one can dispute them.
13. Do communists have cars? Don't tax your feeble mind too much I will have a driver/bodyguard the whole time I am in Arg. it is already booked.
The UN pegs RGtines poverty rate at 30%, but no one in the government there counts anything, they toss weighted darts.
Rumors abound that Tillerson cancelled on ass lips. I wonder what that does for the “Amazing magical Mystical YPF Raod Show Tour”
Let's see.....I....christina the great , will berate England at the UN and Galuccio will beg the English, simultaneously I might add, for investment money the the London financial district.
As Tillerson asks...“what about Repsol being reimbursed before we talk”, ass lips tells him ....“no worries, we paid them like we paid the Paris Club”
They're bankrupt but they don't realize it yet.
10/1 Peso or Patacones which will come first? By Christmas ( yes I think so)
You had said 14/1 or Patacones by June back in March.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
How obliquitous of you, hrm... I meant oblivious.
Argentina is getting dumped from FRONTIER STATUS!! Behind MONGOLIA!!!! Where? MONGOLIA!!
BAhahahhahaa
A demotion to whatever classification is below frontier could be a blow to Argentina and ARGT. The ETF is down almost 14 percent year-to-date as investors have grown wary of the government's anti-free market policies.
Read more: www.benzinga.com/trading-ideas/long-ideas/12/09/2939172/argentina-struggling-to-keep-frontier-status##ixzz27VdM08Tl
List of people in Argentina that care:
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I hope the KaKa protests materializes lol
I don't want that shit in my country and I'm glad it that industry has been destroyed here.
I think you are the moron for believing how these sharks rank your country, to satisfy some rich men, makes or breaks it. ahaha
Yes please lets do that shall we?? on the one hand you have a president who cares about the poor and who is trying, really, really trying to do something about it.
And then on the other you have KFC who, instead of staying at home has gone running to the UN like its some teacher in a school playground, and is about the throw a strop because they won't give her her islands back, no they won't and I don't care what anyone says they're mine and I want them back! Please Miss, MISS!!! they're not listening to me and I want them back!!!!
Like anyone is really interested in her whinny assed opinion. If a thought went through her head, it would be the fast trip in South America.
You were right in your comment at 23 no one gives a crap in Argentina least of all the president ( well, why should she? she was the one that put them there )
Instead of thinking “I must do something about this” she is trying to bend them over still further so she can screw them a bit more.......
It's a nice country you've got there in Argentina, I spent six months there last weekend...............
You fool, Argentina has had no stock market industry or bonds in over a decade, and things have not returned to the stone age have they?
Vultures are not needed.
wéll...
bétter than UK(59.1%) // US (76.3%)
Not well though....
It's volume is 80% lower than 10 years ago.
Back then Argentina was 1/3 of Latin America's stock market value, and the world's biggest bond market outside Europe and the USA.
Like that helped us.
Since the Argentina is a blip in the bond market screen, and the stock market has evaporated. We have done better.
CFK is comparing Argentina's default to Enron's bankruptcy...bahahahaha she is making a fool of herself.
You néscient iñtérnet praters.
The stock market volumes càn not show what the sitùations of thats coùntries.
Argéntina has never beén havé a “” boñd markét “”.
You didn't answer the question. Was Argentina better off in 2001 when it had a large stock market and was the world's biggest emerging market in terms of bonds and liquidity, or is it better off now that is below “Mongolia”.
It wasn't near as dangerous in 2001 as it is now that is for sure. It is crazy how many commando assaults are happening in BA province right now!
You should be fucking banned from this website for saying such incredibly ignorant bs. Enough with you, what an utter liar you are. Best part is you don't care that you are a liar.
Of course you pathetic wanker, to compare 2001 when people lost their savings, poverty was rising rapidly and unemployment was 20%, and there were riots to today... only and utter fool and troll would say that. Get out of here now.
Has savings increased, hmm not according to the Bank's balance sheets, poverty would be shown to be rising rapidly if the stats were correct..
Lost savings, like lost Anses savings? Like that? Or are you talking about the clamp so people must save in the worst performing currency in the world? Like that? Isn't that about the same as in 2001? U$ for Pesos now it's just pesos...don't really see the difference.
first ,let's test you you are from US or ñot .
How mañy “” actors “” in US ?
Gosh what a bunch of nonsense the poor translator couldn't even keep up with the idiotic rambling.
She knows the end of the rope is here and no one cares if Argentina is excluded from the world. It is Brazil's problem now. Let's see if they step up when it all comes crashing down.
eeeerrrrrmmmm pot, kettle, black??? The thing I find MOST incredible about you is not the lies and half truths that YOU come up with, but you believe them as well.
Now there is this bloke Juan who's been asking for you... I would like you to “Do Juan”
LOL.
Show were I have lied.
Now she can go back to the Mandarin for a nice little protest
I haven't got enough space for that!!! LOL I notice you didn't say anything about those “Half-truths” that you come up with mmmmmm, that says a lot......
45 yankeeboy @ 43 Captain Poppy
Didn't catch all the speech but I did catch the tone of disbelief from the translator. She should play the O2!! I think there is enough material to do 3 maybe even 4 nights.
If I was Argentinian I would be embarrassed by that performance, if that was meant to show that Argentina is a serious player on the world stage, a country that has got its sh*t together, then she FAILED
Nothing like letting New York know a deadbeat arrived
I traveled from Missiones to Ushuaia, every inch of Argentina. And I'm from USA.
A “poor” American comes across more money via US welfare system, social security, begging, foodstamps, etc in any given day than an upper middle class Argentine.
“Poor” people in USA = upper middle class Argies.
And yet, nowadays USA is cheaper than overpriced Argentina. The only thing more expensive in USA is housing, and not by much. And if you consider how much better the quality of homes in USA are, then really US housing is cheaper than Argentina on a quality for quality basis. EVERYTHING else, even beef, is much cheaper in USA than Argentina.
Nice bit of “Truth Telling”!
You may not get any admissions from TTT or the other trolls, that you are right, but it should give them some real personal doubts about their economy.
Ignorant Idiot talking from their @ss again.
50 million poor in US and 60 million more without health insurance.
Standard of living for poor like in Africa.
Actually US is starting to look like Africa but without Diamonds and Safaris.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=obho7uBg3-A
www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnnOOo6tRs8
www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8EcDVhMSss
www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnVTqJjV5Uc
www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndanGXV_uYU
www.youtube.com/watch?v=SutshaFS3lk
www.youtube.com/watch?v=igbX1jJFvBc
www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6WYUymObNY
Well according with Hugo Boss UK based company you are not Global competitive anymore so better to close US factories and move to Turkey.
I like how capitalism works and you guys?
You've never left Argentina, have you?
CFK will do her best to stop you, as well...
Oh! I’m very surprised by your level of guessing. Are you some kind of guru?
Could you enlighten me please?
“CFK will do her best to stop you, as well...”
Really? And how would be that?
Most Rgs would cut off their right arm to get a chance to live in the USA, just ask the ones crying and carrying on while they are being deported by USA ICE. I think it is hilarious. Rg Doctors/Engineers working as maids and gardeners here. No thanks we have enough.
How is the USA coming out of a globe crisis,what is 'protecting' it from the world economy,protectionism.Think about it.
No my driver has worked for me for many many years I trust him completely thanks for the offer.
We seem to be coming out of the recession slowly mostly due to the Socialist we have running the country currently but if all goes well we will have a new Prez in about a month.
Getting worse for the Argies very quickly now.
- 27% inflation = loss of purchasing power, depletion of personal savings, which in turn means less consumer spending, fewer jobs, and an economic slowdown.
- strict currency controls and foreign transaction tariffs.
- Biometric “Nationality Cards” will keep tabs on movements of citizens and their financial transactions.
Not looking very encouraging for Argentinians...
While I feel sorry for the average citizen, you trolls and slavish followers of CFK will be affected just as much.
CFK pays you in pesos, right? I feel good about that.
“I'm still the most beautiful in the world”
Then Tom Thumb went in and within minutes left happy shouting:
“Still no one smaller than me”
Dumbo came out happy and then flapping his ears said:
“I'm still the only flying elephant”
Ali Baba came in escorted by his 40 thieves. After 10 minutes he came out full of rage and insulting:
“Who the fuck is Cristina Kirchner and his cabinet”
Good one!!
I'm waiting to see if the Trolls understand it,
ProRG “American”
“Aussie” sunshine
“British” Kirchnerist
Somehow, methinks not. :-)
“I hope so, we absoluteiy need a turn around artist and a budget genious. If not we will be on the road to becoming a loser like Argentina and nobody here wants that!”
You are already a loser mate and there is nothing someone can do about it, sorry.
BTW I don’t need any visa to enter into your shitty country falling like stone or to any EU country or to any Mercosur country.
But you do idiot and if that it is not enough you are charged for a visa, because losers Amexicans have to pay we don’t.
@mastershakejb
Are you serious?
WTF is going to do an Argie with your green card? Get free food stamp for collectors?
There are more Americans than African begging for jobs around the globe. Do that tell you something?
So try harder, spazz out some more, poor third world bum.
I traveled every inch of your country, something you can't afford to do, and you can't even step foot in mine. ;D
“BTW I don’t need any visa to enter into your shitty country falling like stone or to any EU country or to any Mercosur country.
But you do idiot and if that it is not enough you are charged for a visa, because losers Amexicans have to pay we don’t.”
Dungy - the inarticulate school-yard bully who will never make to University.
The rest of the world will move on - while you become irrelevant, consumed by your own anger and disillusionment in a government that doesn't care about you.
Mindless child.
I spent many days at the USA BA Embassy watching the RG losers get denied and then asking for their application fee back.
Are you that stupid?
I'm not a hooker I don't stand outside of random Hotels do you?
A: You take off your shoes before you jump on a trampoline.
Q: What's the difference between a Christina Kirchner and a prostitute?
A: The prostitute gives value for the money she takes.
Q: What's the difference between a dead skunk in the road and a dead Kirchner in the road?
A: Vultures will eat the skunk.
Q: What's the difference between a Christina Kirchner and a catfish?
A: One is an ugly, scum sucking bottom-feeder and the other is a fish.
Q: Why should the Kirchners be buried 100 feet deep?
A: Because deep down, they're really good people.
Q: What happens when you cross a pig with a Peronist?
A: Nothing. There are some things a pig won't do.
Q. How many Kirchners does it take to screw in a light bulb?
A. Just one, but it really gets screwed.
Q: How many Peronists does it take to change a light bulb?
A: It's irrelevant; they still don't know they're in the dark!
You are not from the USA.
If so, please release your full name, address and telephone number like I did.
I am the only argentine citizen residing in the USA. I can disclosed my ARIZONA DRIVING LICENSE/ TELEPHONE NUMBER/ADDRESS/ARGENTINE AND USA PASSPORTS, MY USA NATURALIZATION CERTIFICATE NUMBER AND MY SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER . ALL LEGAL DOCUMENTS.
YankeeNobody is what you are.
Your comments simply don't make any sense.
Your contribution is to drop more CRAP in this web site known as a Port-A-John.
77 Conqueror/Captain Poppy
Same idiot like Conor Luden-Brown telling “irish doggie jokes”!
Come on...I am still waiting to see your real name, address and phone number....but I doubt you will do that...
why?
Conqueror/Captain Poppy is a WIMP!
Only an idiot releases their personal info online.....hence why you did, idiot ;)
Not at all.
There is nothing wrong releasing your identity....
only the UK Team rubbish bloody english WIMPS cover their identity.... they are afraid of retaliation....jijiji
Oh! Poor boy he needs a paid visa to enter into Argentina and he struggles to get one, may be that is the reason he lives in the US consulate going back and forth with papers.
May be you should say that you are Bolivian next time because they don’t need a visa. Who is going to note the difference after all?
BTW why you scream like crazies all the time?
www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8r1qehjp-E&feature=fvwrel
Anyway I don’t need a visa to enter to your shitty country mate, because EU nationals from countries in the Schengen Zone get 90 days free pass without having to obtain a visa.
But don’t worry I’m not planing to collect US food stamps for my album or to be surrendered for salsa dancers and Spanglish speaker at the moment.
But I recommend you to go to England instead but try to avoid to get in the wrong tram because you can find this lady who will tell you “dyaknow wa’ imean?, Ya ain’t Englissssh either, so go back to you fucking country”.
www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=oGIEHhpfkKY&feature=endscreen
And be sure to pay your ticket Bro because fat man can get mad with you.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=FS104p4H_MY&feature=related
You focus more on USA than your own country. Why? because your nation is insignificant, and USA is the most powerful in the world
Don't get confused mate. We talk about US because of your exotic dances like the salsa from New York Hip hop.
www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=b7zZusakYOg
BTW do you dance Hip Hop also and eat Burritos?
You are British for sure!
The post is a continuation of another thread and highlights the fact that currently,you understand what currently means don't you,this is a comment from Anaya,on the situation of indigenous people in the USA.In that country they are known as Native American because some other people took the name American.
Try to remember that the descriptions you give to other people fall into you when you get things wrong.The USA did it in the past and they are still doing it.Do you know that they don't recognise Native American religion in all circumstances.
“Try to remember that the descriptions you give to other people fall into you when you get things wrong.The USA did it in the past and they are still doing it.Do you know that they don't recognise Native American religion in all circumstances.”
You are really grasping at straws, aren't you?
In a modern state, those that are enlightened and existing CURRENTLY, Church is separate from State.
ie. religions are not recognised “in all circumstances”
You are accountable for your own CURRENT actions. If they are immoral, amoral, or criminal, they are not deemed 'acceptable' because some one else committed the same crime in the past, or recently.
The genocides of Bosnia, Rwanda, and Cambodia, are no less morally repugnant and criminal because the Nazi's did the same thing.
Argentina must take responsibility for its own actions and moral choices.
88# penitentiaries are to do with the state aren't they?
Why would you release all that information online but you won't let us see your photo on facebook? I am online a lot, I expect TTT might have figured out who I am but you are far too stupid. So here's the deal, post a proper facebook page with your dog's cunt face on it and I might give you a few more hints.
“ I don't need to read this act ”
You sound just like TTT, “I can't be bothered to read that article”.
You trolls don't want to read articles that may not support your point of view, but you are still prepared to argue.
Lazy trolls, as well as intellectually lazy.
@78 Sussie
Sussie try's to call out the Brits and yanks, but lies about his own location, Burno Aires.
- He says he's a woman, but we know he's just a cheap CFK look-alike transvestite.
- he says he lives in luxury in Tempe Arizona, but we revealed the address he gave us was a drug and vermin infested slum
- he immediately changed his address to one in Las Vegas, Nevada, where he says he had a life of “easy money in the casinos”.
Yeah, sure... LOL LOL
sussie, in short, is full of BS and impotent rage.
He will never post on FB, but I would bet he is NOT ,
“a very attractive 5'6” proud Argentinian lady”
Best to ignore him/it
yulie is obviously an indian with his focus on their phlight. Apparently he thinks the whole world treats them the way they did in history of currently in south america. Yulie, pick up your bags and move on. It's a brave new world and it's no longer the the 1800's.
And let me explain to the mentally retarded trolls, that we all know the reasons why (can't get a job that pays decent wage, lack of freedoms, high cost of living and inflation, high crime, etc) it was simply a rhetorical question.
Ha ha ha The Amexican better known as “El Conejo” comes from a little Village of 8k inhabitants with a lake.
And now travelling the world like the Beverly Hillibillies...
www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=IjVzmIV8gwk
Amazing...
Tell me why will you only buy a small plot in Hawaii ?
96# Poppy.Are you considering yourself as a senior poster on mercopress,advising and informing those with less experience than yourself.
Please make sure it's good advice and sound information you give out.Pass it by yankeeboy as a precaution.
Hawaii is expensive, and anyway I don't need much to be happy, a small plot will do me nicely.
Dany Aspergers, once again, you have some form(s) of mental illness, please seek help.
@43 Conqueror/Captain Poppy are not from the USA'
I am the only one posting in Mercopress that resides in the USA:
P.O.Box 7141
Tempe, Arizona 85281
USA
Most of the comments are placed by the UK team under different names to show they are “winning” the Port-A-John Dump the Biggest CRAP Contest which is the goal of Mercopress....
I'm beginning to see the only Argies willing to defend Cristina are certifiable nutters.
“93# If you come from wealthy places,and I don't see of what significant that is in this instance,why didn't you get a decent level of education.
Tell me why will you only buy a small plot in Hawaii ?”
Mastershake is exercising his Self-Determination and does not have to account to Argentina how he spends his own resources, in his own country or elsewhere.
I don't imagine you can understand that.
Come on Sussie, Facebook!! We know you can post from BA, how do you think I got your ISP in the first place you lunatic. You've lost!
Hey Amexican don’t forget to bring to Hawaii a big ration of Burritos and Tacos with you just in case...
So you hate Mexicans, too?
Jealousy?
How many in the list now??
The more unethical and immoral your behaviour, the more you will be criticised.
I suppose this exercise in cause& effect is wasted on a troll with a government mandate and no conscience...
Have lost what?
The Economist readers elected my comments as the most popular...remember me...“.Argentina cooking books”.....
The UK Team posting under so many different names have demostrated to reach one goal in this web site.....the Port-A-John is full of UK... CRAP.....
(rubbish bloody english people.....same around the whole world!
There are some exceptionally good Taco restaurants in Honolulu, Oahu and Kauai, you can get the traditional ones which are authentic Mexican or they also have fantastic raw sushi tacos and possibly some of the best tasting pork in the world. You've never been there, have you?
Sussie
Come on, give us rubbish bloody englishmen a thrill and post your ugly mug on facebook!!!
“The more unethical and immoral your behaviour, the more you will be criticised.”
And who cares?
Are you a Burritos & Tacos eater also?
@Zhivago
Nope but I used to go on weekends to Monaco, Cannes, Nice. Santa Margherita (Ligure), Switzerland, Venice, Turing, Austria, etc.
And don’t like pork an animal with too much diseases like “triquinosis”, etc.
Just read meat (nope in Europe) and chicken, vegetables and some carbos...
All nice places, Hawaii isn't any better, its just different, surely you can appreciate that! My favorite resting place is Eilat, right at the bottom of Israel.
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