Falklands’ lawmaker anticipates cracks in Argentina’s blockade of the Islands
Lawmaker Jan Check is “cautiously optimistic” about the future of the Falkland Islands despite Argentina’s blockade and attempts to wreck the Islands economy, but if development continues to thrive, some neighbours will think twice before continuing to support the aggressive policy of President Cristina Fernandez towards the disputed South Atlantic Islands.
MLA Cheek made the statements on Friday, in London during a conference at the International Institute for Strategic Studies, IISS, in which she gave an update on the progress of oil exploration, sanctions imposed by Argentina and relations with South American countries. She also talked about the economy of the Falklands, which has improved markedly since the 1980s, although trade with regional partners has been affected by recent Argentine diplomatic pressures.
“Despite all the hurdles and the additional costs of overcoming Argentina’s efforts to harm our economy, we continue to import all our basic needs, our vessels continue to fish and the oil exploration round has been very successful”, said MLA Cheek addressing a panel of experts and journalists.
Besides “we have received encouraging signals from several South American countries that are not pleased with the Argentine sponsored blockade on the Islands and to not want to continue”, although MLA Cheek declined to reveal the countries so that “they won’t be exposed to further pressures”.
So, “if our strong (oil and fisheries) development continues, I suspect that one or two of our neighbours will want to share with us those benefits by supplying us with equipments, material, services”, indicated MLA Cheek who is also a member of the Falklands’ rotating Executive council.
Among the many hurdles imposed by Argentina on the Islands 3.000 population are limitations on air links with the continent; threatens to end the only commercial flight with Punta Arenas in the extreme south of Chile; barring Falklands’ flagged vessels from docking in Mercosur ports and most recently a raft of legal actions against oil companies involved in exploration activities with Falklands’ licences in the Islands’ waters.
When asked about claims of “militarization” of the area, MLA Cheek said that sending a Royal Navy destroyer on South Atlantic patrol is “a routine deployment” that has been going on since the end of the 1982 war, when Argentina invaded the Islands, and can only be interpreted as ‘dissuasive’.
Similarly with the range testing of Rapier missile missiles, which is also routine training.
“They are routine deployments and the only reason for a (British) military presence in the South Atlantic is defence; a purely defensive and dissuasive role. Not at all aggressive”, underlined MLA Cheek.
However the Falklands’ lawmaker admitted that as far as she is aware, “there is no imminent military threat from Argentina”
This year marks the 30th anniversary of the South Atlantic conflict and Argentina has been particularly insistent about its sovereignty demands over the Falklands/Malvinas Islands.
The meeting was chaired by Christian Le Mière, Research Fellow for Naval Forces and Maritime Security
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dont understand that, sorry.
What blockade?
The one where your precious 'beloved' leader put illegal sanctions against the Falklands and then tried to make her neighbouring countries follow suit.
Quite frankly it was the act of a very desperate government, desperately trying to divert attention away from the fact that they've either robbed or squandered all of your money.
Other countries in the region are now looking at the Falklands as a place to do business. I believe that they will wait until after the UN monitored referendum in Mar 2013, and then they'll start speaking more openly of supporting the Falkland Islanders. It'll be easy, because they'll say they are following the UN direction.
Argentina, will squeal, cry and stamp its foot, but your spurious and erronous claims to the Falklands are dying fast. In 2013 they will be completely dead.
Perhaps your precious dictator should listen to her own words. We are now in the 21st century. The Falkland Islanders have lived continuously on the islanders for 180years. In case you can't add, Think, that's twenty years longer than the Republic of Argentina has existed.
Republic of Argentina, founded in 1853.
The Falkland Islands community, founded in 1833 (if not actually earlier, since the colonists were already there before the UP sent their illegal penal colony).
Do the maths. The rest of the world can, hence why your claims have never been taken seriously by anyone.
strange from Britain, but we dont eat the glass of your lies
and there is not blockade, change the flag, remember
The UK as ever is schooling Argentina in diplomacy and as it has done since Argentina has caused conflict coming out on top leaving poor old Argentina looking distinctly second rate......
do you know sth, or it is too early yet????
2003- Refusal to allow Lan to operate a midweek direct flight Santiago-Falklands- even though a landing in Argentina was offerred as well.
2003 Refusal to allow any Charter Flights to the Islands to cross through Arg controlled airspace.
Blackmail threat to Maersk Shipping when it became possible that they might connect to the Islands with a container shipping line.
Blackmail threat to force Hamburg Sud and Hapag Lloyd after they doid start sucj a service.
The threat was simple- drop the Falklands Container route or we will drop you from the River Plate etc. Naturally these big companies had little option business wise!
Aggressive threats by Arg naval vessels that force international flag fishing vessels to keep outside Arg 200mile limit even when just on transit to and from Montevide0 and the Islands thus adding an extra days fuel and time. Again a breach of international maritime law.
Threats to vessels trading between the Islands amd Punta Arenas outside the west end of the Magellan Straits - these eventually proved to be hollow threats and Arg had to back down.
Legal threats made on all companies operating in/with any hydrocarbon operations in the Islands.
Attempts to dissuade international cruise vessels from coming to the Islands by making them go through the cost and added beaurocracy of getting “permission” from Arg port control first - if they dont then they have difficulty re-entering Arg ports afterwards!
Being unpleasant and objectionable at Ushuaia Customs and Passport control when an Islander disembarks there who got on a cruise vessel here in the Islands.
Will this do for starters?
And some of you idiots over there actually expect us to sit down and talk sovereignty with you under these conditions!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The British forces are here because quite rightfully they do not want a repeat of the 1982 situation again. We Islanders made a huge mistake then by softening our stance. Britain made an even bigger mistake then by not listening to our concerns. Argentina siezed what they thought was an easy way to take the Islands because they thought Britain had lost interest.
That will never happen again because both Britain and the Islanders now know just what Argentina would do again given half a chance.
Happily though while we now enjoy a democratic lifestyle Argentina is again on the brink of total colapse. There banks are in trouble their people are rising up against their government and as I already predicted one day the good people of Argentina will shine.
No fanatic in these comments will be able to stop what is about to happen in Argentina. I believe that this will happen sooner rather than later.Decent Argentines have had enough.
The contents of your post either:
1) indicates you can't think, if you do not recognise the blockade;
2) as usual, you are lying, because you do know and recognise the blockade against the Falklands (there are STILL no Malvinas) but want it to appear to other countries that there is no such blockade so as not to put Argentina in a bad light.
The antics of TMBOA in the USA and UN this week have already put your country in the worst light possible, so it must be point 1). At least it makes a change from lying.
Peace
G77 + China (130 countries plus China) underlined how much the British refusal to settle the sovereignty dispute “seriously hinders Argentina’s economic capabilities”.
The world knows the UK (the Upside-down Kingdom) is the agressor and have clear who the victims are.
en.mercopress.com/2011/09/26/g77-urges-uk-to-return-to-malvinas-sovereignty-negotiations-with-argentina
You make your bed, you lie in it
What “Falklan Islanders”?
You mean those squatting British Kelpers?
What oil and gas?
What Mapuche Indians?
What US dollars?
What plastic surgery?
Argentinians
What Argentinians?
Oh you mean those thieving Italian/Spanish colonialists.
read again post 1 and think detailed seriously.
The UK is not an aggressor-it defends the islands.
If the UK wanted to be an agressor it would station more than four combat aircraft in the FI, including Tornado GR4s whose tactical weapons could take out all of your southern airfields if the UK CHOSE to have an OFFENSIVE rather than DEFENSIVE posture.-but that is not the case.
The missiles on the Falkland Islands are surface to air, not surface to surface, therefore they are defensive, they cannot attack targets in Argentina. they can only be offensive if they are shooting down attacking aircraft.
The fact is ,the UK has to defend the Falklands because Argentina (even with its OAS partners-it kicked Paraguay out) cannot stick to agreements and is therefore unreliable, proven by the unprovoked invasion of 1982.
The fact that the UK military is in the South Atlantic is one for which the blame lies with Argentina.
“seriously hinders Argentina’s economic capabilities”
Argentina by being aggressive and unfriendly to the Falklands has meant the Argentines have indeed lost trade= WHOLLY ARGENTINA'S FAULT.
If you were friendly with the Islands, they might welcome Argentine airlines.
Instead its LANCHILE-Chile's economic gain.
You don't want cooperation with the oil exploration so as the Falkland Islands would find Argentine facilities useful (from which Argentina would gain financially, they are not essential, so I guess the FIs might build a better port and take shipping business away from southern Argentina-for that Argentina is to blame.
Argentina turns away ships that fly the FI flag or those which have previously docked in Stanley, so Argentina looses the finacial income from those ships docking.
Argetina's fault
Argentina is affected financially to the negative and peronists cannot see that by sticking their heads in the sand,that it is their own fault Falkland Islands money is going to Italy, France, USA, UK, Israel (oil), and Chile rather than to Argentina.
Argentinas fault-no one else's.
are you secondary school student ?
grow up .
A real people who live and work on the falkland islands idiot. If anyone is a squatter you and your people are as they murdered an indigenous people to get what they wanted. We Islanders killed no one to settle here.
Dream on you pathetic fool 17 Think (#)
“The developing world is concerned about the extraction of natural resources that a colonial power is conducting with impunity in the South Atlantic with no right to do so but the might of its military power”.
”G77 + China (130 countries plus China) underlined how much the British refusal to settle the sovereignty dispute “seriously hinders Argentina’s economic capabilities“ ”
How. humiliating for Argentina!
Argentina should just surrender sovereignty to the Falklanders. The Islanders will respect your traditional ways of life, and allow you to continue living in your homes. You will need to learn to drive on the left, though.
Falklands want talks - Still no word from Spain.
Daily over flights by the RAF, loaded with full payloads with itchy fingers just waiting to drop some fun on the botox queen.
Royal Navy vessels all along the coast and up the river plate, bristling with missiles and guns all pointing inland
A few landing craft exercises with the Berets and a few others on the islands with their sights set on the crossing to the mainland.
Now that would be militarisation and its probably what we should have done in 82 and no one would have said there was no justification
However, the Falklands are peaceful, their intentions are to develop themselves to their full potential without fear of attack or isolation from the South American mainland.
Luckily, the Falklands have a guardian angel, the UK protects those that request their aid, especially the weak and bullied
Please remember this as you continue to bully the islands, they are not alone, as a union of friends (be this as an overseas territory, independent state or comonwealth country) they are strong and will remain free from your aggression.
The UK as a mature country believe in peaceful ways first, but once attacked deal swiftly with countries who are evil.
It had to happen in 82, please dont force a repeat
How fucking dare you. You accuse the Falkland islanders of all those deaths? It was your government, your junta, your military that dragged us into a war to protect our citizens and their rights. You're the ones who started the war because your pathetic government was suffering from such low approval ratings that you had to start a 74 day war for nothing. I knew that you Argies were low but I didn't think that you were so pathetic that you would blame a war that you started on us. Fuck off and get a life you pathetic colonially implanted Argie fool.
Obfuscation to the fore again as well as the old lie about 180 years, eh Think?
And who do you think caused the loss of life in 1982 Think?
Yes, the dastardly Junta! Nothing to do with you then eh Think? If I were you I would think again, Think.
We know we are winning the hearts and minds of people who are prepared to listen to the TRUTH, boy!
So don’t you worry about the Falklands (there are STILL no Malvinas), we will continue to make sure that the AGs will be prevented from invasion again.
Don't like it when you get your own condescending clap trap thrown back at you do you Think? But we know the real answer: you don't think, that's the rub of it, eh Think?
Peace
“Your squatting of them South Atlantic Islands has cost many lives during the past 180 years....
Last time, some 1,000 souls in 1982……
One soul for each pair of you….”
Those lives were lost because one party attacked the other.
Are you suggesting it was the Falkland Islands that attacked Argentina in April 1982?
@17 Far better than those genocidal thieving latino colonists still looting South America!
@21 Do you still 5 years, or is it 10, in the nursery? Still dribbling pon your bib and filling your nappies, are you?
@23 Might be a good idea to remember that “military power” bit. Nine nuclear-powered submarines. 270 Tomahawk Land Attack cruise missiles, before reloading. Six Type 45 destroyers. Each capable of knocking out 20 manned aircraft or missile attacks simultaneously. 2 helicopter carriers. Each carrying 24 Apache Longbow attack helicopters. 1 armoured division. Comprising 400 of the most advanced main battle tanks in the world. Not one of which has ever been knocked out by enemy action. 180 of the most advanced multirole combat aircraft in the world. Transport/gunship helicopters. Anti-submarine/gunship helicopters. Multirole transport/tanker aircraft. Strategic heavy-lift aircraft. Tactical heavy-lift aircraft. Anphibious landing vessels. Then, at the back, there's 4 big submarines. And, as a reminder, I reckon the Royal Marines have still got a grudge to settle.
@24 Money no object!
Argentina cost the lives of those thousand men. Argentine MURDERED 30,000 of its own people.
Argentina is the aggressor, and the world can see it. Argentina will never gain sovereignty over the Falkland Islands.
You know this to be true, which is why you make such stupid and inflammatory comments, which everyone in the world knows are lies.
Just like the world knows that Argentina's claims to the Falklands are lies.
The formation of the Falkland Islands community - 1833 (probably as early as 1829)
The formation of the Republic of Argentina - 1853
So how can 'Argentina' have ever had sovereignty over the Islands when they have been British since 1690?
The international community, unlike yourself 'think', can do mathematics, they can look at the evidence the UK presents and see that the Argentine claims are lies - lies because Argentina can never produce evidence of events that didn't take place.
Poor impotent Argtard 'think'. You're a loser, from a country that constantly chooses loser's to run them. The UP lost in 1833, and Argentina lost a war you started in 1982.
And then you blame the victims of your brutal illegal invasion for the deaths that occurred. I honestly didn't believe that you Argtards could sink that low. You've played the victim is long that you actually believe that 3,000 people are a threat to your population of 40,000,000.
The world sees you saying this, and they laugh at the cowardice, the patheticness, and the stupidity of your government and people like you 'think'. It's a shame, because people like you tar all the decent Argentine people with your stupid, racist, ill-thoughtout comments.
How does it feel 'think' to be a cowardly, pathetic, stupid, loser?
Now try to actually think before you post again.
And sorry to say, but everybody in this dispute has been part of aggressions.
Dont want to go back to history, and up todays militarisation of Malvinas.
We are a beautiful region, with peace, with resources, with good links, with opportunities, and all ex colonies, with a history a culture a vision of relations of our own and with democracies and with no conflicts.
Dont bother.
You say:
“Those lives were lost because one party attacked the other.”
I say:
Correct, a very deplorable and cowardly act.
Typical of our Armed Farces.
But, the origin of the whole misery is that one of the parties has no right whatsoever to be there in the first place……. And that’s the British party.
No matter how much you try to twist and dress it…
The British, under the cover of some assumed self-determination right of some self-invented “Falklands People” are trying to appropriate some 12,000,000 square km. of South Atlantic and Antarctic territory, adjacent to Argentina.
De kan rende os et vist sted, kan De….
Typical of our Armed Farces.”
This is a fact.
“But, the origin of the whole misery is that one of the parties has no right whatsoever to be there in the first place”
This is an opinion.
I would not say that they are trying to appropriate, using the word trying, would indicate an event in action, not yet finished. When in fact, they have lived there for nearly two centuries. A more appropriate word would be achieved or even accomplished, conveying more permenancy of situation that has existed for nearly two centuries. Sorry to nit pick and all that, just a thought.
Why MP don’t dignify this lady adding some consistent proves, theories and arguments.
Instead of showing her in that poor level.
Keep it up troll, you're doing a great job ensuring that the Falkland Islands and surrounding Maritime space remains British Territory for ever.
www.timesofisrael.com/israel-deeply-concerned-over-argentina-iran-meetings/
That's for sure! That little something I've been intimating for a while still looks set for late October/ early November.
Think
You say: what blockade?
I say: you're right; your blocade attempts are impotent.
But you understand politics as well as anyone on here so of course you know the game of the facts versus the comments for international consumption. You big nasty people! Stop blockading us!
Chuckle chuckle.
excuse me , what is the meaning of “” turnip “” ?
informant ?...or else !
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you said living in Uruguay
i havent find this Mercopress address
can you provide /say us it !
Dont be Cheecky with Jan......
I saw her first......;-)
Yes it is sad that so many lost their lives very pathetic because if it was not for the aggressive Argentines trying to steel our home in th efirst place no one needed to die in the seccond place. We did not invade the Islands Your lot did you prat. No wonder Argentina is still in the dark ages with crap like you about.
No wonder your stolen Country is in such a mess.
Pretty pathetic would you not have to agree.
Paraphrasing your own words:
” If you Brits hadn't invaded the Islands in 1833 in the first place no one needed to die in the second place.
You British Squatters will eventually have to move.
The only questionmark is: When?
Please leave the keys in the lock.
They always did use dodgy cement,
Soon the cracks,
Then the whole wall will come tumbling down,
British endurance wins the day,
Argentine eagerness and greed, loses again.
.
You British Squatters will eventually have to move
You creepy little man Think even the Junta allowed the Falklanders stay when they invaded
maybe this web site is published from Argentina !
Whats the matter Chief Squatting Turnip, are you angry because you didn't catch any fish?
Oh, just in passing, you will never get the Falklands or the “12 million km2 of sea & sea-bed”that annoys you so much. lol
Suck it up, Squatter
perspective is interestingly correct,
Three cheers for the chief,
But wait, a leak appears in his reasoning,
1, If you Brits hadn't invaded the Islands in 1833 in the first place no one needed to die in the second place.
2, his 2nd thought,
But, the origin of the whole misery is that one of the parties has no right whatsoever to be there in the first place……. And that’s the British party.
No matter how much you try to twist and dress it…
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Allow me to put this into its correct perspectives for the chief,,
It should say in all instances, 2nd and 3rd places,
By his own reckoning,
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Thus,
If Spain had not invaded that part of South America [in the 1st place]
That caused the deaths eventually of millions of native inhabitants,
Then its implanted illegal aliens later to be called Argentina,
Would not have been there to illegally invade a tiny unarmed defenceless island,
To whom the dreaded British arrived on, in the 2nd place,
And thus the deaths of hundreds in the 3rd place,
In a nut shell,
It’s their fault, not the British,
And the Spanish by the way, must of infected future generations of Argies, who then went on to conquer, other lands and killed thousands, to acquire the stolen land she has today,
[Thus she claims it through wars.]
Still,
I blame it on the Romans,
If had not let the VANDALS, into Spain in the first place.????ha ha .
.mmmm
You say:
“.... of course you know the game of the facts versus the comments for international consumption. You big nasty people! Stop blockading us!”
I have said previously that :
I don't like you “Noveau Riche” attitude.
But I do like your sincerity about your crocodile tears.
There may be some good Ol' Kelper blood in you after all, Joe.
Seems most have already said what I was about to say.
53 briton (#) put it in a nut shell. If one wants to squable over my home then let us be very politically correct. Captain John Davis discovered these islands in 1592. That we do know. Then somewhere along the way the French decided to start a home here. They later realised their incorectness and left but decided to start what is the whole dambed issue today. They supposedly sold what was never realy theirs in the first place. To the Spanish who sent their hords into South America in the seccond place . But meanwhile Britain decides to settle these lands again to find that this weird new Country called Argentina has decided to claim the islands for them selves. Now come on fellows. Argentina is a created Country by the Spanish not by real people wanting to be pioneers as WE Falkland Islanders were. No matter how one looks at it there is no one as qualified to talk about the Falkland situation then th every people that live there. BUT of course those weird Argentines do not want to talk with us because we are way to smart for them to savvy.
Pitty because if they did talk they would soon realise that we Islanders actually own this land but have chosen to acept that Britain not only discovered them but also owned them. We intend to stay that way so poor demented THINK can shout or jump up and down all he/she wants but the end of the day we are going to be recognised World wide that we do have moral rights to live and own this land.
Joe, Joe, Joe.......
Try to read my post No.:55 again..... Slowly this time....
I said:
1) I don't like you “Nouveau Riche” attitude.
Your “attitude” ... “A-t-t-i-t-u-d-e”... Comprende?
2)But I do like your sincerity about your crocodile tears.
There may be some good Ol' Kelper blood in you after all, Joe.
Besides....., you owe me at least a couple of lagers for using and misusing my copyrighted “Chuckle chuckle© all the time”
That is why we import things direct from:
Chile, Uruguay and Brazil in S.America.
UK and other European nations .
As usual you have your facts all arse-up (If I am allowed to say so).
'However the Falklands’ lawmaker admitted that as far as she is aware, “there is no imminent military threat from Argentina”'
As far as the British government was aware, that was true in early 1982.
As a K supporter, can you please answer the following question, which TTT has still not answered...If i remember well, you are intellectually honest, and she attempted to give an argentinian a hard time just because he was studying in a private expensive University in the USA, almost as if he was committing a crime:
Does Kretina remember that her cherished daughter Florencia studied Cinema in a prestigious University in New York (and not in La Matanza)? And was the apartment they bought in NY for her (one of the most expensive cities in the world when it comes to property market) acquired before the dollar clamp or were AR pesos accepted in the transaction?? Utmost hypocrisy and double standards maybe????
And what about 1829 ?? Why does Argentina want to forget 1829 ??
:-)
www.scribd.com/doc/103755318/Falklands-War-The-First-400-Years-PDF
Can you please answer my question addressed to K supporters (line 63)? A straightforward question which deserves a straightfoward honest answer.
In 2012 who gives a damn! In those days you settled disputes with swords and gunboats - that was the nomal accepted method. After all the same methods were used by the ancestors of todays Argentinians,Brazilians etc to takeover those countries from the people who originally lived there!
Today it is done by Democratic Principles like self-determination- choice and vote of the people who live in the place concerned , or whatever other word you choose to use.
EG- Northern and Southern Ireland - The Balkans- etc etc.
Also ignoring the fact that all Latin American countries from Mexico to Tierra del Fuego, and “small countries” such as China and Russia support not only compliance with UN resolutions but Argentina's sovereignty over the Malvinas too.
Malvinas is a cause of decolonization.
None of us care.
69- Look at a map - you will see it is us - the people of the Islands (nobody else) who are developing the resources of THEIR area.
WE “Decolonized” here about 20-25 years ago actually!! WE- the Islanders - now run OUR country.UK just looks after defence and foreign affairs.
We do not want to become a COLONY of Argentina - ie ruled by a Government we do not want nor elect!
And the alleged 'international support' is all smoke and mirrors. Even Argentina's neighbours only pay lip service to the claims. Ask the Chileans who live on the Falklands.
The Falklands will be decolonised in the usual way eventually - by the people who live there taking full and legitimate control.
“falklands Blooper”
overseas territory of Argentina, sorry Great Britain.
My goddddddddddddd
LOL
Come on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Was today on TV in Argentina!!!!!
Let's see: 1000 okupas descendants of okupas, 2000 okupas “descendants” of “Inca-the-bitch”, ha ha ha, and say “People.”
For those who do not know terms gaucho: England = Inca The Bitch.
José if you are Argie, don't insult please.
Here is the fullvideo of the interview!
tu.tv/videos/islas-malvinas_4
Call us what you like, fool. lt doesn't matter.
We have the Falklands & you DONOT(& never will, l might add!).
Just who was it who used force in 82? and do you have any concept of “Right to self defence” a legal concept in most civilised countries, similiar to “Right of self determination.”
It's funny watching you lot thrash about, trying desperately to defend the undefendable - a colonial land grab of somebody elses homes. Then you try and blame the other side!
No matter how you dress it up - and how much trouble you cause by economic and pyschological warfare against the falklanders- your claim to the islands is old hat - 180 years after it's best before date and your antics make it increasingly unlikely that the falklanders will want to have anything to do with you for a generation.
Your country can shout, rant , rave, posture and lie as much as it likes - you are'nt going to get control of the falklands are you......
Face it - you have lost, just like you did in 1982.....
Carry on wasting your energy, though, I like watching you get all frustrated over your failings.
He is Mercopress employee,media manipulation expert.
^^51
Probable (contra guidance tool )becouse all islets news are bogus.
There is a lesson to learnt by everyone then huh?
If KFC so wanted, there would, right now, be no bad feelings. the Falkland Islanders would be enjoying peaceful relations with Argentina. Alas, she had to try force to get her way. Using the Falkland Islands as a distraction to her people, a bit like President Clinton used to slap Saddam Hussian down when the secrets and lies started coming out about his private life.... remember that?
But it continues, making a fool out of herself repeatedly on the world stage crying to anyone who will listen that “they are ours” and where has it got KFC's government?
Life in the falklands' goes on. The world ignores the whole thing or, as is most often the case, drags out a few nobel peace prize winners, or some has-been pop stars or actors to say “Well, they really should sit down and sort this out”
Leave them alone, Argentina had a chance to sort it out in the 60's and 70's but chose force instead, and the “diplomatic” force it chooses this time has no chance of working.
They seem to forget that the Islanders are not “kelpers” or “squatters” they are people. KFC would do well to remember that. Until she starts treating them like people, until she remembers that they are people then she will always be destined to fail.
Works well in fiction, extremely boring and ineffective in real life.
If every one supports Argentina as you say could you please explain in what form their support takes? Let's look at Argentina's closest neighbours.
Chile
Continues to allow its national airline to do business in the Falklands, commerce between the countries is as strong as ever and Chile allows hundreds of its nationals to freely live and work in the Falklands and its political leaders in Patagonia frequently make reference to this worthwhile relationship. Falklands flagged ships are still freely entering Chilean ports. Falkland Islanders do more than USD5, 000, 000 worth of tourism-related business with Chile annually.
Uruguay
Commerce is reasonable and growing. Only this year a delegation from their Chamber of Commerce came to the Falklands to explore other trade options. More business has come from those talks already and a lot more is being planned. A cargo air link now exists between the Falklands and Uruguay. Falklands flagged ships enter Uruguayan ports freely.
Have you been to the Falklands John? The reason I ask is that there was a contractor worker in Stanley in the 90s with a name something like yours (can't quite remember if it was the same as yours or not). It didn't work out too well for him on account of him being a total disgrace. Ended up leaving with outstanding debts and a very bad reputation. I just wondered if it might be you.
Unfortunately no Falkland flagged vessels can dock in Paraquay and I believe this will be the case for the forseeable future! ;-)
There is a -- greenish -- building in Stanley(Port Stanley )
It is used what purpose ?
It could be any number of buildings. More information required.
You're right about Paraguay. They have made it very clear that our ships cannot enter.
you dont know the islets.
time is 05.30 in these islets.
sprouting anti brits,
yet enjoing the comforts of home,.lol.
but no one wants to push the point.
What a detective! I'm in London you deadbeat. I come here a lot on business.
I am a Falkland Islander and the Falklands is my home. My kids are studying in the UK and my wife and I both have jobs that bring us to the UK a lot.
Home in a couple of weeks. Can't wait!
By the way Murkythink. If you knew anything about the Falklands you'd know that a lot of Falkland Islanders would have a very good reason to be on the internet at 5.30am. Deadbeat. I'm not one of them but like I said, I'm in the UK.
Now we're all off to walk someone's dog in the park. Catch you all later.
CIA HQ, maybe.
@61 Gutless little twerp!
@64 I know that you know but it must be mentioned AGAIN that the bunch of rebellious Spanish genocidal colonists have only ever been trespassers on the Falklands. First trespass 1820.
@70 Agreed!
@80 You get worse. Your stupidity would be painful if it wasn't so funny. Answer a simple question. Is it possible to steal something that doesn't belong to anyone?
www.scribd.com/doc/103755318/Falklands-War-The-First-400-Years-PDF
Sunday 1 April 2012
“Any ”acceptable settlement” (The Falklands: 30 years on, 31 March) will recognise that the islands belong to Argentina, by virtue of the principle of uti possidetis juris.“
”So the islanders have the security of Mount Pleasant defence but not of international law.”
Peter Hamilton
Much Marcle, Herefordshire
www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/apr/01/falkland-islands-principle-international-law
I just noticed that my comment No. (26) has been ”Removed by the Editor.”
I’ll, just for comparison purposes, re-post it …..............:
(26) “The people that live and work on the Malvinas Islands are full blown British citizens.
As a matter of fact, the people that live and work on the Malvinas Islands enjoy more rights and have less obligations than the vast majority of British citizens.
A really privileged bunch of British Squatters you are…….
And don't fool yourself……
Your squatting of them South Atlantic Islands has cost many lives during the past 180 years....
Last time, some 1,000 souls in 1982……
One soul for each pair of you….
Pathetic, don’t you think?”
Compare it now with comment N0. (36) Conqueror a real“pearl” of British debating skills that has NOT been ”removed by the editor…..:
“26, You pig-ignorant piece of genocidal scum-shit. In 1982, there were 258 souls lost to the forces of evil. Every one worth at least 100 argie lives. Argie lives lost? Who cares? Just more shit. Just bear it in mind, argie scum-shit. You owe us 31,900 lives. I want every life. Every death. Every drop of argie blood. And I want the remains shovelled into the ocean where they can be eaten, defecated, dissolved, destroyed. And “Think” or whatever your name is, I hold YOU and every other argie, from now until the end of time, personally responsible. Research shows the current population of argieland to be 41,281,631. Not enough! I want your “country” to be a carpet of corpses. Nothing left alive. Except for CFK. I want to see her in the middle of it all. Upright. Impaled. A steel stake through her crotch until it comes out the top of her head. If pushed, tinpotman could have the stake on one side of her. And you could have the one on the other side!”
Juppp... ”SOME ANIMALS ARE MORE EQUAL THAN OTHERS”, indeed…..
What were Argentina's borders before their independence?
Good comparison, “Conqueror” is probably the editor himself.
If the FI's vote to remain under British sovereignty next year does this definitely mean that these islands will be off the Decolonisation list in the UN?
Also will Argentina still be able to claim sovereignty on these islands to the UN following a successful British vote on the referendum?
Q: If the FI's vote to remain under British sovereignty next year does this definitely mean that these islands will be off the Decolonisation list in the UN?
A: No.
Q: Also will Argentina still be able to claim sovereignty on these islands to the UN following a successful British vote on the referendum?
A: Yes.
lol, but i have been called a lot worse so it's water off a ducks back. I guess ignorance is bliss eh!
Sooo, is what you are saying correct or are you just being rhetorical? I would be grateful if you could substantiate this please.
Are there any Brits on this forum who can also answer my question at # 110?
TTBOMK; what I have said is correct.
No insult that time! well I guess we are getting somewhere.
Just waiting for some fellow Brits to challenge that one.
Don't be silly...
Nobody insulted nobody...
I just informed you about the meaning in the Spanish language of your chosen nick.
[no]
Also will Argentina still be able to claim sovereignty on these islands to the UN following a successful British vote on the referendum?
[Yes]
So think is correct, in part,
As long as Argentina believes it is entitled to something, it will claim it,
Just like if Australia wanted to claim NZ it could,
But as with both points,
If anyone believes you or not is another question.
In this particular case, Argentina has no valid claim on the British Falklands,
But this does not stop her claim
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Still,
There is a little tiny part of Africa, that has a claim on Argentina,
Are we not all descent from,
Lolol.
.justa pointa .
You're wrong. Once the referendum is held the Falklands will have achieved one of the possible outcomes specified by the decolonisation committee. By te committee's own rules they will have to be removed.
Can Argentina keep claiming sovereignty? Well you will no matter what, but no one will take your claims seriously. Nothing you say can trump the right to self-determination of the islanders.
Your belligerent attitude towards the islanders has pretty much guaranteed that they will never voluntarily choose to become Argentinian. You only have yourselves to blame. You could have extended the hand of friendship to them, instead you only offered them the fist of aggression. Shame on you.
Are you sure they will be removed,
Im given the understanding, that unless full independence or the etiquette that France and Spain operate, she would remain on the list,
If so,
Then perhaps C24 should thus be abolished.
Let me know.
.
Irrespective what the BIGGEST LIAR on MercoPress says, as they say: 'it all depends'
Technically, a positive vote by the Falklanders (there are STILL no Malvinas) should satisfy the C24 committee that they fall out of the scope of their remit. BUT, the members of the committee are so blinded by their lack of respect of Britain and so anxious to 'put one over them' they will most likely do the opposite. This would not be at all unusual as 'I don't Think' aka The Turnip In Chief knows only too well.
Argentina took no notice of the SC requirement for them to leave the islands which they invaded in 1982, so why should they take any notice of any UN decision?
What really matters of course, and this is what scares The Mad Bitch Of Argentina shitless along with her trolls such as the despicable example that 'I don't Think' represents, is what the rest of the world sees.
That of course will be the truth of the matter. The islanders will vote for what they really want: to stop the bullying by 40M cowards across several hundred miles of water and get on with their peaceful lives.
Remember that it has ALWAYS been the AGs who start the aggression and all the Peronist nonsense, not the islanders.
Hope this helps.
Do you have the statement that says the FI's will be taken off the decolonisation list? or near to that affect anyhow?
Co-existence, as per the status quo, beats the sh*t out of fighting anyday.
I just hope the general feeling in Argentina is more towards the former.
Yeahhh: let us see LEPRecon's “statement” that says the FI's will be taken off the decolonisation list......
I'm listening to everybody's take on this. Not just one sided.
No rhtoric here but I wonder how Argentina would be to the FI's it they were French or Spanish OT's?
i.e is it because they are British, the reason for all this hatred.
If the C24 fail to follow their own rules then the UK can petition the UNGA to abolish it as they will have shown that they biased against the Falkland Islanders, and can no longer be trusted.
The UNGA cannot be bought like your friends on the C24, and they won't back any committee that breaks its own rules, and the founding principles of the UN.
But for the committee members, this committee is a gravy train. Loads of money in expenses for doing next to nothing. Somehow I doubt the committee members will risk losing all the expenses they can claim and a free ride for life for Argentina's sake.
But stick to your guns. Continue to harrass the Islanders. Show the world that Argentina is no better today than you were under the junta, you are still bullies, who only have conquest and subjugation on your minds.
Argentina would not be ??? full stop.
Spanish, anybodies guess ..
either way,
if the islanders vote to remain british, then officialy that the end of it,
as for CFK .
the end will only come,when she goes or joins her other half,
fair comment....
You ask:
“Is it because they are British, the reason for all this hatred.”
I answer:
No.
Ps:
LEPRecon still owes you that “statement” that says the FI's will be taken off the decolonisation list......doesn't he?
But at least you are one the growing majority
That believe the British Falklands should be left alone,
Thanks for your support.
p/s
just tell CFK she will be envious .lol.
Your nation is at the brink of the abyss, and you are taking a step forwards. Count on Uruguay's full support as well :)
It helps to confirm you are full of shit.
I tend to agree with you there about the majority of Argentina not caring less. As for us being obsessed: perhaps the behaviour of CfK, Timmerman, Aguello, Castro and Co might have something to do with that. Do you think?
Just can't grasp the truth can you?
Do you think, that for 1/google seconds, I give a damn what you think?
It doesn't really answer my original question at 110. But lets not kid ourselves, both of our countries are in the doo doo. No doubt there will be much conjecture and everyone calling each other c**ts over who's country is in the bigges doo doo.
i'll get my coat! Mission failed.
@106 What's the matter, faggot, do you not like the truth? Having watched your comments for a considerable period of time, you are a stupid smartass without any ability to tell the truth. Here's some truth. I want you and the rest of your miserable country exterminated. I'd call you a stain on humanity except that I've never encountered a “human” argie. You are undoubtedly the most disgusting animals on the planet. I'm not an expert taxonomist but I would place you lower and uglier than slugs. Why would I “debate” with YOU? You don't have enough brain!
@111 Correction: The answer to the first question is: Depends on how many argie bum-lickers there are on the irrelevant committee. The answer to the second question is: Argtards can “claim” all they like. For the next thousand years if they like. The status of the Islands can and will “change” in only one way when the time is right. From British Overseas Territory to independent. But with the proviso that Britain reserves the right to rip the guts out of anyone who attacks them.
@118 C24 should be abolished. It's a stacked deck. The reason Britain ignores it. It has no “power”.
@125 That's because you're a stupid faggot. Justify the Islands being on “a list” when both Britain and the Falklands say they are not a colony. Because colonialist, greedy, imperialist argieland says so? Brainless!
@126 1982. 115 British prisoners. 11,313 argies surrendered. Go figure! Not obsessed. Just refuse to let argie liars lie unopposed. Read all comments. Think! But no comments from “Think”. He's a tosser!
@128 You're an ignorant fool! A traitorous CFK supporter. Who cares nothing for Uruguay.
@132 Make no mistake. Britain and the Falkland Islands will WIN. Argieland will, effectively, die. Uruguay “may” survive if Mujica, the argie traitor/dupe is dumped!
Hardly, it barely reaches the news over here. Argentina uses every single opportunity to talk about the issue. You have people protest in the streets about it.
No-one even mentions it over here, I don't think i've ever had one single person not from the internet bring it up in conversation.
All you get on argie TV is what they are told to show you,
Because if they told you the truth, they would not be in power anymore,
It’s an old dictator’s trick,
.
This site is for spreading trash on eachothers nations, not to have serious discussions. If you stick around, you'll see...
“If the FI's vote to remain under British sovereignty next year does this definitely mean that these islands will be off the Decolonisation list in the UN?”
No. It won't mean anything. As per the UN the Malvinas question is a PARTICULAR colonial situation in which ther's a sovereignty dispute between TWO parties. The islands will only be off the Decolonization list when both parties have settled the dispute via negotiations..
“Also will Argentina still be able to claim sovereignty on these islands to the UN following a successful British vote on the referendum?”
Yes, it will. The argentine rights over the island does not depend on the wishes of the islanders. As per UN (again) there are TWO parties in the dispute. The islanders are British and part of the dispute. They can't be part and judges.
The referendum will only mean you have wasted time and money
perhaps they will take note of what you say,
be friendly and go home.
perhaps..
Malvinistas - want what they call their “inheritance” from Spain,
“Falklinistas” - are fighting for their homes and their freedom.
Can 't put it more plainly than that.
@Englander ??
WTF ??? Are you an Argie mole Troll, too??!!!!
Are you sure you are capable do that nowadays?
Total British failure in Iraq and Afghanistan against a bunch of long beard rebels makes your offer very unrealistic.
I would prefer the Argentines to talk direct to the FI's after the referendum. I think it's the only way forward.
CFK isn't helping with her accelerated words of disrespect towards the British and furthermore ignoring the FI's themselves, as if they don't exist.
I'm definitely up for economic cohesion, everyone has fun and makes money.
However the FI's, who have an ancestry which outdates most Argentines, then id say that gives them the right to be there.
On a patriotic level, we lost a lot of good soldiers taking the FI’s, and to give into CFK is a total betrayal of their bravery and loyalty. My friend’s brother was the youngest serving sailor on HMS Coventry when it got hit and I remember the whole school praying for him. Fortunately he survived. I hope Cameron remembers these sacrifices when he starts pandering up to Brazil for economic trade and then behind the scenes CFK forces Brazil to get the UK to venture into joint and then eventually full sovereignty of the FI’s. A distinct possibility maybe?
you guys (Brit and Argentine on this forum) seem to know a lot more than me with regards to SA, hence why I was trying to get an armistice on insults and instead get common sense conversation.
Hi Marcos, lets not kid ourselves, Iraq and Afghanistan is certainly not queensbury rules is it. The US are also doing no better, just now in the news they are reporteing 2000 US deaths there. Anyone can plant bombs and dress as Afghan policeman, and then shoot resting, unarmed soldiers. War is a giant pile of sh1te and leaves nothing but greaving families. I only hope we don't get another occurence down your neck of the woods again.
More likley perhaps to be along the lines of-“ Do you wish to continue developing as a self-governing overseas territory deciding your own future - or accept Argentine ownership and Government of the Islands”.
The recent census interestingly showed that TWICE as many people her associate themselves firstly as being Falkland Islands rather than as being British.
In other words - as you ask a Welshman or Scotsman - what is their nationality - most will answer - Welsh or Scottish - but yes overall still of British nationality. The same with us - more and more of us see us as our own Islands people first - then yes overall we are of course British - again by free choice!
It,s the “free choice” bit that a lot of the Argentines on here struggle to accept.
You appear to misunderstand the role of the UN. The 'normal' committees of which there are many and their sub-committees of which C24 decolonisation committee is an example, have no powers at all for enforcement and their (usually) stupid resolutions regarding the Falklands can be ignored.
The Security Council Resolutions are considered mandatory by civilised countries which is why Argentina IGNORED the resolution requiring them to vacate the islands that they had illegally invaded.
Also, the UK armed forces could legally stay on the islands at the request of the FIG. Not really a problem at all.
All Brits know that Argentina, irrespective of how far the legality of the Falklands is pushed, will ignore EVERYTHING and still bleat on about how badly the world treats them. It is one of the AG ‘governments’ ways of sidetracking the deluded 40M. It’s like telling a Muslim to burn the Koran.
It's especially true of commonwealth countries, though. If the Falklands opt for independance and a retention of ties within the commonwealth, our relationship with them is essentially not much different.
And in that scenario, if argentina complains we can just direct them to the canadian embassy, i'm sure Canada could explain to Argentina that being a commonwealth partner doesn't make them a colony...
“.Sorry if I hit a nerve I just thought it sounded funny”
“Funny”??
The Falklanders are fighting for their homes and freedom, and to be recognised as humans ( not as sub-humans/ nonexistents). In fact, perhaps for their very lives.
”Anyways all I'm saying is that if you were to tell a handful of Brit's and Argie's that there's a website called MERCO PRESS where mostly Brit's and Argie's give there opinion on SA news and the main topic is the FI and who they belong to (even when the article has nothing to do FI it's still always brought up...ahemm) it would be mostly Brit's signing in.”
The difference between Brits and Argies signing in is that the Argies are paid to be here, as propagandists (La Campora), to support the Peronist government initiatives.
This includes trying to undermine and misrepresent the Falklanders sovereignty and self-determination.
The Brits and their supporters are legitimate individuals posting on a forum to refute the misinformation CFK's government is trying make the world audience believe.
Malvinistas want control over the Falklands.
“Falklanistas”, as you dismissively put it, want to keep their homes and self-determination.
@148 Guzz
“Problem is tonto, that common sense is as relative as everything else and after have had your flag spit at on daily basis, common sense tells you to spit back”
Perhaps invading the peaceful, undefended, Falkland Islands, taking the people from their homes, imprisoning them inhumanely, while urinating and defecating in their houses, provoking a war that cost 1,000 lives, may have something to do with metaphorically “spitting” on your flag when the Islands and Brits are threatened and libelled again.
Do you see any connection?
Again, you are trivialising a serious situation.
It cost a thousand military lives, last time.
Argentinian officers openly discussed removing the “Falkland problem” by eliminating the entire civilian population.
30 years later and Argentina is making another bid for the Islands under remarkably similar circumstances.
They only recognise the Island inhabitants as an “internal matter”.
Certainly there has been enough intimidation in the press and on this forum.
Can you guarantee that the Argie military won't harm any civilians defending their homes or their rights??
Why would there be so many trolls on here 24/7 making hostile and intimidating posts about the Falklands if it were not either a popular theme , or government sponsored?
La Campora and its function are well known.
Your own dismissive, patronising, attitude is disturbingly similar to the trolls.
“It might perhaps be possible to have Territorial Parliamentary Representatives present by video link”
What for Brian? 8000 miles is just around the corner...
So a way needs to be found of somehow deflecting that outdated line of thought and misconception.
We are of course very much British at the end of the day - like The Channel Islands,Isle of Man etc etc - but now have, and are growing our own national identity as a Falkland Islands people(all thanks to what your brother and the others did for us in 1982) - no longer a “Colony” - that went years ago - but a self governing overseas Br territory - to small and with a large neighbour claiming us so we cannot become Independent.
“a nasty old european colonial power etc etc.- however out of date that view may be”
Outdated line of thougtht... you wish it was.
Correct line of thought. All European countries are ruthless, evil, colonial powers. Do you think Argentina's hatred for Europe is out of a vacuum?
You have tried to take over the world since 1492. If I allow myself to be minimally gracious, Europe has stopped trying to since circa... 1991 (when the last colonies in Africa were let go).
So lets see... 20 years of Europe “kinda not trying” to invade and exterminate other peoples and nations, vs 500 years before of commiting all national resources to Empire Building.
Don't you think at least a couple of centuries at least before us argentines change our view on how bad for humanity Europe has been?
30 years later and Argentina is making another bid for the Islands under remarkably similar circumstances. Really? I never knew about this that's sounds like a Nazi deathsquad to me....mmmm....then I wonder why the Argentine soldiers didn't go on a mass murdering shooting spree when they invaded in 1982 but instead captured the British soldiers had then lay down their guns and waited for further orders mmm I wonder,and you say that till today are under remarkably similar circumstances.Last time I checked Argentina stated they only wanted dialogue.I could be wrong though do you have proof of this?And can I guarantee the Argie military won't harm any civilians?Well I believe Argentina doesn't have any intention on hurting innocent civilians why would we? It's not like we're assisting the U.S. in the M.E. or anything catch my drift.As a matter of fact the last I heard about the Argentine military was an article I read just last year I believe that the Argentine military raided an underground sweatshop ran by Koreans that had Bolivian slaves somewhere in B.A. and freed them all,makes me proud:)Oh and why are there so many Argie trolls?Well this is SA news isn't it? And there are also lots of Brit's calling us Argie's nasty names because of what our gvm't does...well you guys obviously are'nt being paid cuz last time I checked everytime I see a British diplomat speak they seem very nice,classy and noble.and as far as us being paid newsflash but theres TROLLS EVERYWHERE do you think those little 12yr olds that post on Yahoo that give their opinion on politics get paid too?
Crap_Talking_Troll - I'd be worried if she looked Latin. A classic Brit in a classic British territory - sounds reasonable enough :-)
I'd be worried if you looked like a Thai, you still looked like a long face Brit shooting arrows....a bit overweight though.
I'd love to see how much “Sussie” looks like a classic Argentinian 'woman'...
A colony they certainly were. Now, of course, they are Non-self-Govening Territory as defined by the United Nations, subject to the protection of the UN Charter and entitled to the right to determine their own future.
Which they've been doing for some time.
I'm just being completely honest. When I think of an elderly British lady, I think of a woman that looks like her.
I'm not the only one who finds patters in the faces of nationalities. I see it in tons of nationalities. It's hard to explain.
Tend to agree with you there.
Again, you try to make light of Argentinian invasion of the Falklands.
Prior to the invasion of the Falklands in 1982, the political and economic situations in Argentina were similar circumstances to what we have today.
The economy of Argentina was facing massive inflation and the increasingly unpopular dictatorship needed a distraction, a nationalist cause, to take the population's minds off of their problems.
30 years later, Argentinians are getting squeezed financially with currency restrictions and 25% annual inflation. CFK is facing vocal grassroots protests by all sections of society.
She desperately needs a distraction, and what could be better than the Falklands, especially now that there is good evidence of oil resources.
As to poking fun at the Islanders“ fighting for their homes and freedom”, you do not deny that your purpose was to take those away from them.
“Fighting for their lives” - you seem to find that statement “funny” . I'm sure that when foreign soldiers marched them out of their houses and pointed guns at the women civilians and their children, they must have got some idea that they might die if the Argentinians felt they were a threat or were not complying.
I have already said that no civilians died last time, but they could have done, and witnesses have reported that it was overheard being discussed by officers of your army. Please see this link:
www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&list=ULL8XmLLDwRlI&v=L8XmLLDwRlI
What happens this time if Argentina invades? Given the reputation of your armed forces, quaint story of the 'noble' Argie Military freeing Bolivians from evil Koreans by the way, had they withheld their taxes on their enterprise? - the stories that we've all heard about your armed forces pushing nuns out of helicopters and your government making 30,000 Argentinians “disappear”, the Falklanders may well have to fear for their lives.
The Islanders would be crazy to let down their guard !!
What's really kinda comic here is the way you apply 21 st century standards to European behaviour in the 18th century, but 18th century standards to Argentine behaviour in the 21st.
Hi Islander, To set the record straight I actually said it was my friends brother who got hit on the Coventry. I wouldn't want you to think I was some Walter Mitty. Regardless I understand that he was very lucky to have survived, and to see what his sister went through at the time was something we all remembered at school.
It’s such a pity that the British presence in the SA is not liked. Maybe it’s because they still see us as an imperialist state, maybe if they lived here in the UK they would see it is very different to the 1800’s. No doubt this will be contested by many Argentines but it’s the truth.
As I stated earlier, it would be good after the referendum that Argentina start talking to you guys about economic cohesion and move forward with good long term relations. This has to be the only way. Let’s face it nobody wants another war down there.
I hope it all turns out good for the lot of you guys.
It's such a pity
unfortunately Argentina has not got economic cohesion and long term relations among it's own South American neighbours .
Sadly we do not expect the Arg Govt to accept the referendum even with Int Observers supervising it etc - but it may make it a bit easier for some nations to point out to Arg that we do actually have some rights as a legitimate people.
There is very little chance even as an independant state we would be left in peace. If Argentines 200 years ago were prepared to wipe out entire peoples to get land they are still capeable of doing it today.
We see to often in the world a people is still bieng removed by ethnic cleansing. Yet 10, 20 , or 30 years later it is almost forgotton. That I fear would be the case on the Falklands should such an atrocity occur. That is likely what the Madmen of Argentina is working towards.
The old saying 25 years of marriage is a lifetime of someone serving a murder charge.
Convince me and fellow Islanders that no one in a million years would believe it to be any differant today.
Better we continue to argue year in year out then give in and possibly be exterminated.
l agree with you 100%
They are NOT nice people
And they would exterminate us if they could.
l will NEVER trust them
We will never get peace until Argentina is broken up into smaller countries.
Agreed Again ...
If there any truth in what you are saying, you better start looking in Bolivia...
www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/argentinas-press-under-fire/2012/09/30/5f82efa4-09c4-11e2-a10c-fa5a255a9258_story.html
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2211303/Argentine-commander-led-invasion-Falklands-Islands-dies-heart-attack.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
www.bernama.com/bernama/v6/newsworld.php?id=698700
SO HANS NIESUND... WHERE ARE YOU?????
WHERE? WHERE, HUH?
Are you going to say the Falklanders are wrong in how they view Argentina, judging things that happened 200 years ago to today? Well, that is exactly what you have always derided about me, treating Europe like the scum society is it (and by extention the Falklanders, which are a direct result of colonialism and Empire building).
So if you judge Argentina for what happened a century ago, why do you argue we Argentines can't judge Europans for the same (and worse?)
Straw man again. There is no need to go back 200 years to find reasons to be wary of Argentina. And while there are good reasons to be wary of practically every actor on the world stage, you need to be especially wary of those who are repeatedly and avowedly pursuing an aggressive expansionist agenda straight out of the 18th century.
Since when has the Uruguayan flag, YOUR flag allegedly, been spit on by any nation other than Argentina?
They seem to crap on it regularly as far as I can see.
But of course your bosom buddies actual BURN the Union Jack outside the British Embassy with the complete disregard of the police. I never heard you complain about that.
You only complain that ‘when they spit on your flag daily’. To use your lying buddy ‘I don’t Think’ aka The Turnip In Chief’s favourite questions: When? Where? And one of my own – why should YOU care, you are Uruguayan are you not???
Most certainly.
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1246312/Chilcot-inquiry-Iraq-war-The-damning-verdict-Whitehall-lawyers-invading-Iraq-ministers-refused-accept.html
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2200091/Tony-Blair-As-Archbishop-Desmond-Tutu-said-trial-Iraq.html
Personally, I'd be quite happy to see Tony in the dock over Iraq.
But unfortunately for your analogy, there are no Kurd- gassing war-mongering Saddam style dictators in either the Falkland Islands or Antactica..
So why do people here say I'm just trolling when I say the UK has lost tons of international reputation of that little adventure? Your own reports say that, and the fact that in every forum I've participated British posters have been confronted with the Iraq question proves how damaging that was for your country's standing.
“We will never get peace until Argentina is broken up into smaller countries.”
Now thats an idea most Argentines SHOULD support, given the bad dictatorial governments they have endured. Most Argies, who haven't travelled anywhere outside their own or neighboring countries, suffer under the delusion that they are a 1st world country. On another blog an irate Argie boasted that their wine and women and meat (not sure what part he meant - lol..!) were the best in the world..! The time when Argentina could have possibly claimed that ended with Peron when Evita (surely Cristina's role model) threw money out of her car to buy the votes of the poor.
Someone else quipped that Argentina would be fortunate if it were taken over by the Falklands (and not vice-versa) and learn to drive on the left. Peron changed the “British” rule of the road in 1945 (Uruguay then had to follow suit) to the American one in order to display his “revolutionary” credentials..! What an almighty plonker..!! Even after they bankrupted the country they still consider Peron (and Evita) to be heroes - shades of Mugabe perhaps?
No you killed a defenseless animal that had no weapons to defend itself. Just as guilty, you killed life (exterminated it), to make your ground there. No moral high ground for you sir.
YOUR last rolo,
fuuurk oooffyy....
Don't scare the new arrival Isolde.
”-In there they kept us, the bastards“, Allie spits defiantly. We are standing outside a tin roofed timber building that has a bell tower on it which might allow it to be used as a church in case somebody wanted to pray for redemption, but was considered so unlikely it was turned into a bar and social club for the majority who were pretty much certain they were in Hell anyway.
-How long were you in there Allie? I ask.
-Over two months, he replies.
-Terrible...terrible, I sympathise.
-Oh, it wasn't so bad, he sniffs.
-How do you mean?
-Food was good - all Argy stuff and they gave us plenty of Beer and fags.
-Oh, right, I answer then ask. ”But they wouldn't let you out would they and you couldn't get washed or
use proper toilets and things“?
-Who told you that?
-It was in the newspapers.
-Load of bollocks, he sneers. ”They kept us in there at night because of the bloody English sending planes over to bomb the airfield but in the daytime we went back to our houses”.
-I thought your homes had been taken over by the Argentinians?
Some of them had. I had a couple of officers in my house but I liked them. Real polite they were and they gave me all sorts of stuff……………….,”
Marcos you are a silly little parrot.....
Marcos is quoting “Stiffy Morgan's gap year”.
jottify.com/works/stiffy-morgans-gap-year-2/
A “satirical short story” from an amateur writers site.
Really scraping the barrel there, Marcos. Much like Argentina does with its claims.
@186 TTT
Of course Iraq is damaging. So is Diego Garcia. It doesn't follow from either that Argentiina is entitled to seize the Falklands or Antarctica.
kelperabout is not frightening me, Marcos. He/she is being realistic & l thoroughly agree with him/her(?).
You lot do not frighten me either. You all bleed like anyone else.
btw-the story that you're quoting from, l've read.
lts taking the p***.
l suppose you think that its real? Do you not?
@189 TTT,
Of course.
You Argentines NEVER killed any wildlife, did you?
No, l suppose not. You just murdered human beings.
First the Natives(the rightful owners of your land)
Second, your own people. 30,000 is the figure being quoted.
Well there wasn't a Thirdly, but it would have been the Falklanders, if you'd won.
Despicable people.
Oh-so-holier-than-thou.
Whether you like it or not, your “country” is made up of Europeans who either arrived centuries ago or within the last decades.
Just because you call yourselves “Argentinians” makes no difference to your genetic background. So, in effect you are saying, I hate my ancestors.
My antecedents, the really good people came here to take the land by force and subjugate the indigenous peoples while the vile scum stayed in their own land, Europe, and got on with their own lives. All the evils of the world should be laid at their door. No other peoples, apart from them, ever tried to invade territories and settle to the detriment of the indigenous populations.
A somewhat narrow and biased view of the world's history.
South america hates europe you say. So you hate your founding fathers who got you this fine slice of the world. You hate the spanish and the portuguese settlers and explorers and conquistadors. Dear oh dear, you hate your very being, you hate your roots and from whence you came. Honestly TTT you just cannot point the finger at european countries whilst believing your own country is whiter than white. Perhaps this is why you hate hate hate.
they want nothing to do with you.
dictators..
The only message I see you putting across is denial and ridicule.
“Your the paranoid one that's saying they are fighting for their freedom not me,I said the last time I checked they were living in peace and prosperity remember?”
If you want to try to intimidate me and call me foolish for expecting another invasion, so be it.
You invaded once already and your condescending attitude and tone of your posts, say it all.
The brits would be crazy to let their guard down with Argentinians like you out there.
Your revered “Falklands hero” Carlos Busser, was still running the military until 2009 - how much of that culture is still there? Not so long ago, is it?
If you insist in trying to belittle and obscure the meaning of my comments, then I suppose I need to spell them out for you.
Not YOU, actually, I know you know the truth, and the events, and the issues, very well.
I'll clarify for you:
The Argentine military, under the junta, ( a key, Senior Officer, was Carlos Busser) made 30,000 inconvenient Argentinians disappear.
In separate actions, they threw nuns out of helicopters.
Good thing your 'noble' military cancelled that out by policing those criminal “Koreans and Bolivians” - is that the best you can do?
”.Thx for updating me with the current situation in Argentina though (infaltion,nut bag Pres.)“
Ooo, was that sarcasm? Ouch!! Well you deliberately muddled things to try mocking my point - I guess I had to explain, then.
You seem very insulted when I talk down to you like a naughty, but simple, child - do you have an Inferiority Complex like Dany, TTT, or that other nutcase, ”Sussie“? Do people talk this way to you a lot? I can see why.
”As to poking fun at the Islanders“ fighting for their homes and freedom”, really?Why would I poke fun at ppl I 100% support?“
In short, you want to deride their fears and put them off-guard. I am sure you would ”100% support” an independent unarmed Falklands - easy pickin's for a hostile neighbour.
and each region given indipendence,
thus creating another 6 or 7 new countries,
that we may get peace.
Great idea Briton: they'd be at each others throat within the week!
I'm interested in your comment that most Argentines are not obsessed with the Falklands/Malvinas. Here in Misiones (my g/f lives here, and she being of Japanese descent also thinks the Argie claim is a bit silly when so much of the country is under-utilised) every small town seems to have a “Malvinas son Argentinas” (MSA) monument, typically poorly maintained as is so much of the country. In Puerto Iguassu at the “Tres Frontieras” tourist spot, the most prominent thing is another “MSA”, also in a bad state. Posadas, the provincial capital, has not one but TWO big MSA's. The first one, on a roundabout at the edge of the city, is derelict from neglect - instead of repairing it they built a fancy new one on the Costanera (riverside promenade), this one being ostensibly a monument to the Belgrano sailors. My question is, as these things obviously cost a lot of money to build (although not to maintain since there is none..!) who authorises them and why dont the people complain about this waste of public funds? Are they scared of being “un-patriotic” or do they really believe the nonsense of it all?
Hearing different Troll messages now,
TTT always hates the Brit Colonialists, and ardent supporter of CFK, but
has always stated too, that he thinks the “Islanders should be left alone”.
PH, the amateur, says not interested in Iskands
Sussie suggested in one of his rants that Brits can keep the islands
I think even Dany said something...
I know, Argentinian, Patonuzu, appeared from somewhere ridiculing fears of invasion, telling the islanders to relax - everything will be fine after the Referendum.
He did point out that they had killed 3 Falklands civilians, but never would have cleansed the Islands of all the inhabitants. Poking guns at children was not serious either.
Argentine military were now noble humanitarians.
I wouldn't expect that Kelperabout or Isolde are letting their guard down.
As to Patoruzu , it took a generosity of spirit to write what he did above.
If we are all honest with ourselves, there are some posts we have made in the heat of the moment, that on reflection, we should have left unsaid, or moderated.
It would be nice if we could raise the debates out of level of the school playground.
Sorry to take so long to reply. I only have access to my Smartphone working 'out in the field' and it is a clumsy instrument for using the forum. I wanted to use my desktop, but I have access, currently.
Thank you for your post and your apologies. It took a lot for you to do that, in the context of this forum.
I too, regret that things were said that were antagonistic and volatile. However, many of the posts on here are designed to do that, as a tactic to deflect arguments or reasoning.
If I appeared aggressive towards you unnecessarily, I apologise to you also.
If you believe what you say, and argue with intellectual honesty, I respect that.
I think a key point was being missed, though:
The stakes were much higher for the Falklanders than Argentina;
survival and freedom for the Islanders vs political gain for CFK.
The dominant theme coming from pro-Argentine users on this forum, has been to portray the Falklanders as irrelevant or criminals not worthy of consideration.
“Malvinistas” is a derogatory term. I would not like to see “Falklanista” used the same way.
I can understand you were just being flippant, but I felt it had to be addressed as there are many other readers interpreting what is written here. That was why I was at pains to explain my points fully, and frustrated when they were mocked.
If people like me appear “touchy” or suspicious about your comments, please understand that some users are actively posting disinformation.
I hope we can go forward from here.
While I think FI should maintain it's vigilance,
I would be most interested to your answer to Ernest Shackleton @202, about the true feelings of the people of Argentina.
Perhaps a few minor details of your background, not to identify you, but for perspective, would help us understand better, your points of view.
Will read with interest.
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