MercoPress. South Atlantic News Agency
Falklands’ lawmaker anticipates cracks in Argentina’s blockade of the Islands
Lawmaker Jan Check is “cautiously optimistic” about the future of the Falkland Islands despite Argentina’s blockade and attempts to wreck the Islands economy, but if development continues to thrive, some neighbours will think twice before continuing to support the aggressive policy of President Cristina Fernandez towards the disputed South Atlantic Islands. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesMalvinas have many lawmakers by 2000 personals but Argentina has no any lawmakers by 40 millions people.
Sep 29th, 2012 - 10:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0Dont understand you? We have 8 elected Lawmakers from 3000 people, a lot per head - but you need at least 8 to have a functioning democratic system!
Sep 29th, 2012 - 10:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Malvinas have many lawmakers by 2000 personals but Argentina has no any lawmakers by 40 millions people.”
Sep 29th, 2012 - 11:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0dont understand that, sorry.
“Cracks in Argentina’s blockade”?
Sep 29th, 2012 - 11:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0What blockade?
I think that #1 is trying to say that you guys, with such a small population have actually got real lawmakers whilst the Argentines with 40+ million people have none. It's a compliment that doesn't translate too well.
Sep 29th, 2012 - 11:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0@4 Think
Sep 29th, 2012 - 11:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0The one where your precious 'beloved' leader put illegal sanctions against the Falklands and then tried to make her neighbouring countries follow suit.
Quite frankly it was the act of a very desperate government, desperately trying to divert attention away from the fact that they've either robbed or squandered all of your money.
Other countries in the region are now looking at the Falklands as a place to do business. I believe that they will wait until after the UN monitored referendum in Mar 2013, and then they'll start speaking more openly of supporting the Falkland Islanders. It'll be easy, because they'll say they are following the UN direction.
Argentina, will squeal, cry and stamp its foot, but your spurious and erronous claims to the Falklands are dying fast. In 2013 they will be completely dead.
Perhaps your precious dictator should listen to her own words. We are now in the 21st century. The Falkland Islanders have lived continuously on the islanders for 180years. In case you can't add, Think, that's twenty years longer than the Republic of Argentina has existed.
Republic of Argentina, founded in 1853.
The Falkland Islands community, founded in 1833 (if not actually earlier, since the colonists were already there before the UP sent their illegal penal colony).
Do the maths. The rest of the world can, hence why your claims have never been taken seriously by anyone.
Enjoy the link! Cameron comments in Rio about the Falklands:http://www.itv.com/news/2012-09-28/camerons-olive-branch-to-argentina/
Sep 29th, 2012 - 11:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0This sounds as if UK is working to break desunity in our regionnnnnnnnnnn
Sep 29th, 2012 - 12:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0strange from Britain, but we dont eat the glass of your lies
and there is not blockade, change the flag, remember
If you don't think there is a blockade then you need to take your head out of the sand.
Sep 29th, 2012 - 12:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The UK as ever is schooling Argentina in diplomacy and as it has done since Argentina has caused conflict coming out on top leaving poor old Argentina looking distinctly second rate......
the results of the bible, of the investigation how are they going???
Sep 29th, 2012 - 12:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0do you know sth, or it is too early yet????
Think/Malen - Argentine Blockade- to refresh your fading old memories!
Sep 29th, 2012 - 12:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 02003- Refusal to allow Lan to operate a midweek direct flight Santiago-Falklands- even though a landing in Argentina was offerred as well.
2003 Refusal to allow any Charter Flights to the Islands to cross through Arg controlled airspace.
Blackmail threat to Maersk Shipping when it became possible that they might connect to the Islands with a container shipping line.
Blackmail threat to force Hamburg Sud and Hapag Lloyd after they doid start sucj a service.
The threat was simple- drop the Falklands Container route or we will drop you from the River Plate etc. Naturally these big companies had little option business wise!
Aggressive threats by Arg naval vessels that force international flag fishing vessels to keep outside Arg 200mile limit even when just on transit to and from Montevide0 and the Islands thus adding an extra days fuel and time. Again a breach of international maritime law.
Threats to vessels trading between the Islands amd Punta Arenas outside the west end of the Magellan Straits - these eventually proved to be hollow threats and Arg had to back down.
Legal threats made on all companies operating in/with any hydrocarbon operations in the Islands.
Attempts to dissuade international cruise vessels from coming to the Islands by making them go through the cost and added beaurocracy of getting “permission” from Arg port control first - if they dont then they have difficulty re-entering Arg ports afterwards!
Being unpleasant and objectionable at Ushuaia Customs and Passport control when an Islander disembarks there who got on a cruise vessel here in the Islands.
Will this do for starters?
And some of you idiots over there actually expect us to sit down and talk sovereignty with you under these conditions!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Be aware Argentina dictators your lies and your ignorance will be your Countries downfall make no mistake. Our Islands are developing the way we intend them too with or with out the Argentine Blocade. It has been impossibke for Argentina to actually blocade our Islands because we sit so far away from theoir coat line with a huge open Atlantic to our North and East.
Sep 29th, 2012 - 12:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The British forces are here because quite rightfully they do not want a repeat of the 1982 situation again. We Islanders made a huge mistake then by softening our stance. Britain made an even bigger mistake then by not listening to our concerns. Argentina siezed what they thought was an easy way to take the Islands because they thought Britain had lost interest.
That will never happen again because both Britain and the Islanders now know just what Argentina would do again given half a chance.
Happily though while we now enjoy a democratic lifestyle Argentina is again on the brink of total colapse. There banks are in trouble their people are rising up against their government and as I already predicted one day the good people of Argentina will shine.
No fanatic in these comments will be able to stop what is about to happen in Argentina. I believe that this will happen sooner rather than later.Decent Argentines have had enough.
@4 'I don't Think', aka The Turnip in Chief
Sep 29th, 2012 - 12:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The contents of your post either:
1) indicates you can't think, if you do not recognise the blockade;
2) as usual, you are lying, because you do know and recognise the blockade against the Falklands (there are STILL no Malvinas) but want it to appear to other countries that there is no such blockade so as not to put Argentina in a bad light.
The antics of TMBOA in the USA and UN this week have already put your country in the worst light possible, so it must be point 1). At least it makes a change from lying.
Peace
Blockade? Argentina’s efforts to harm our economy? Please...
Sep 29th, 2012 - 01:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0G77 + China (130 countries plus China) underlined how much the British refusal to settle the sovereignty dispute “seriously hinders Argentina’s economic capabilities”.
The world knows the UK (the Upside-down Kingdom) is the agressor and have clear who the victims are.
http://en.mercopress.com/2011/09/26/g77-urges-uk-to-return-to-malvinas-sovereignty-negotiations-with-argentina
@15 If Argentina's economic capabilities have been hindered by the dispute, it is a situation entirely of their own making
Sep 29th, 2012 - 01:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You make your bed, you lie in it
The only reason CFK wants to restart negotiations with Uk is because the Falkland Island people who she ignores have made a real case to the world of their rights and Argentina now realises she is loosing the fight dimplmatically just as they did in 1982.
Sep 29th, 2012 - 01:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Falkland Islanders”?
Sep 29th, 2012 - 01:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What “Falklan Islanders”?
You mean those squatting British Kelpers?
What blockade?
Sep 29th, 2012 - 02:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What oil and gas?
What Mapuche Indians?
What US dollars?
What plastic surgery?
Argentinians
What Argentinians?
Oh you mean those thieving Italian/Spanish colonialists.
2 + 3
Sep 29th, 2012 - 02:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0read again post 1 and think detailed seriously.
@14
Sep 29th, 2012 - 02:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The UK is not an aggressor-it defends the islands.
If the UK wanted to be an agressor it would station more than four combat aircraft in the FI, including Tornado GR4s whose tactical weapons could take out all of your southern airfields if the UK CHOSE to have an OFFENSIVE rather than DEFENSIVE posture.-but that is not the case.
The missiles on the Falkland Islands are surface to air, not surface to surface, therefore they are defensive, they cannot attack targets in Argentina. they can only be offensive if they are shooting down attacking aircraft.
The fact is ,the UK has to defend the Falklands because Argentina (even with its OAS partners-it kicked Paraguay out) cannot stick to agreements and is therefore unreliable, proven by the unprovoked invasion of 1982.
The fact that the UK military is in the South Atlantic is one for which the blame lies with Argentina.
“seriously hinders Argentina’s economic capabilities”
Argentina by being aggressive and unfriendly to the Falklands has meant the Argentines have indeed lost trade= WHOLLY ARGENTINA'S FAULT.
If you were friendly with the Islands, they might welcome Argentine airlines.
Instead its LANCHILE-Chile's economic gain.
You don't want cooperation with the oil exploration so as the Falkland Islands would find Argentine facilities useful (from which Argentina would gain financially, they are not essential, so I guess the FIs might build a better port and take shipping business away from southern Argentina-for that Argentina is to blame.
Argentina turns away ships that fly the FI flag or those which have previously docked in Stanley, so Argentina looses the finacial income from those ships docking.
Argetina's fault
Argentina is affected financially to the negative and peronists cannot see that by sticking their heads in the sand,that it is their own fault Falkland Islands money is going to Italy, France, USA, UK, Israel (oil), and Chile rather than to Argentina.
Argentinas fault-no one else's.
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Sep 29th, 2012 - 02:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0are you secondary school student ?
grow up .
17 Think (#)
Sep 29th, 2012 - 02:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A real people who live and work on the falkland islands idiot. If anyone is a squatter you and your people are as they murdered an indigenous people to get what they wanted. We Islanders killed no one to settle here.
Dream on you pathetic fool 17 Think (#)
@20 Pepe lotas de humo:
Sep 29th, 2012 - 02:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“The developing world is concerned about the extraction of natural resources that a colonial power is conducting with impunity in the South Atlantic with no right to do so but the might of its military power”.
they need material services and equipment and it seems it is expensive bringing them from UK.....spend money, you are going to become very very rich, spend money and make more travels to UK
Sep 29th, 2012 - 03:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@14. Islas Falklands
Sep 29th, 2012 - 03:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”G77 + China (130 countries plus China) underlined how much the British refusal to settle the sovereignty dispute “seriously hinders Argentina’s economic capabilities“ ”
How. humiliating for Argentina!
Argentina should just surrender sovereignty to the Falklanders. The Islanders will respect your traditional ways of life, and allow you to continue living in your homes. You will need to learn to drive on the left, though.
Falklands want talks - Still no word from Spain.
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Sep 29th, 2012 - 03:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It would be interesting to actually show CFK what militarization of the South Atlantic would be.
Sep 29th, 2012 - 03:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Daily over flights by the RAF, loaded with full payloads with itchy fingers just waiting to drop some fun on the botox queen.
Royal Navy vessels all along the coast and up the river plate, bristling with missiles and guns all pointing inland
A few landing craft exercises with the Berets and a few others on the islands with their sights set on the crossing to the mainland.
Now that would be militarisation and its probably what we should have done in 82 and no one would have said there was no justification
However, the Falklands are peaceful, their intentions are to develop themselves to their full potential without fear of attack or isolation from the South American mainland.
Luckily, the Falklands have a guardian angel, the UK protects those that request their aid, especially the weak and bullied
Please remember this as you continue to bully the islands, they are not alone, as a union of friends (be this as an overseas territory, independent state or comonwealth country) they are strong and will remain free from your aggression.
The UK as a mature country believe in peaceful ways first, but once attacked deal swiftly with countries who are evil.
It had to happen in 82, please dont force a repeat
Dear Harvard Students, this link will take you to a video. It's important that you watch it because it will show you the type of forum Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner is used to speaking in. A “political” rally which her government organized, where she just talks about herself, all she's done for the people and gets thousands of people to clap, cheer and wave banners in her support. She's not able to hold any other type of forum. And the people attending? Who are they? Poor people who live in shantytowns (villas) as we call them, who are paid between 20-50 pesos to attend, they get served a sausage sandwich (called Choripan) and given cheap wine (that comes in cardboard packs called Tetra). Then they show this on television for days and days with all the people cheering for her to make it looks like she has all of this political support! This are true 3rd world south american poltics.......a political forum at Harvard is way TOO much for Cristina!.......http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KcmymeZf8jM
Sep 29th, 2012 - 04:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@26
Sep 29th, 2012 - 04:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How fucking dare you. You accuse the Falkland islanders of all those deaths? It was your government, your junta, your military that dragged us into a war to protect our citizens and their rights. You're the ones who started the war because your pathetic government was suffering from such low approval ratings that you had to start a 74 day war for nothing. I knew that you Argies were low but I didn't think that you were so pathetic that you would blame a war that you started on us. Fuck off and get a life you pathetic colonially implanted Argie fool.
@26 ‘I don't Think' aka The Turnip in Chief
Sep 29th, 2012 - 04:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Obfuscation to the fore again as well as the old lie about 180 years, eh Think?
And who do you think caused the loss of life in 1982 Think?
Yes, the dastardly Junta! Nothing to do with you then eh Think? If I were you I would think again, Think.
We know we are winning the hearts and minds of people who are prepared to listen to the TRUTH, boy!
So don’t you worry about the Falklands (there are STILL no Malvinas), we will continue to make sure that the AGs will be prevented from invasion again.
Don't like it when you get your own condescending clap trap thrown back at you do you Think? But we know the real answer: you don't think, that's the rub of it, eh Think?
Peace
@ 26 Think who writes:
Sep 29th, 2012 - 04:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Your squatting of them South Atlantic Islands has cost many lives during the past 180 years....
Last time, some 1,000 souls in 1982……
One soul for each pair of you….”
Those lives were lost because one party attacked the other.
Are you suggesting it was the Falkland Islands that attacked Argentina in April 1982?
@14 Wasn't that a year ago when the “G77” was headed up by that fatuous idiot you sent to the UN? I understand that, since then, he's been moved from his prestigious post of ambassador to the UN to the one of just representing argieland in the U.S. And he's already upset the Americans as shown by all the additional WTO complaints the U.S. has lodged against argieland. Meanwhile, back home in the cesspit, tinpotman was busy “improving” argie-U.S. relations by seizing material from a U.S. government aircraft. Meanwhile, CFK does her bit by promoting relations with Iran. Now if you'd mentioned the G3, the proposed grouping of the world's top 3 economies, or the G6, or the G7, or the G8, it might have meant something. But the UK is a member of all of them. And argieland is a member of none of them. Only in the G20, temporarily, so that we can get an idea of how poor countries think!
Sep 29th, 2012 - 04:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@17 Far better than those genocidal thieving latino colonists still looting South America!
@21 Do you still 5 years, or is it 10, in the nursery? Still dribbling pon your bib and filling your nappies, are you?
@23 Might be a good idea to remember that “military power” bit. Nine nuclear-powered submarines. 270 Tomahawk Land Attack cruise missiles, before reloading. Six Type 45 destroyers. Each capable of knocking out 20 manned aircraft or missile attacks simultaneously. 2 helicopter carriers. Each carrying 24 Apache Longbow attack helicopters. 1 armoured division. Comprising 400 of the most advanced main battle tanks in the world. Not one of which has ever been knocked out by enemy action. 180 of the most advanced multirole combat aircraft in the world. Transport/gunship helicopters. Anti-submarine/gunship helicopters. Multirole transport/tanker aircraft. Strategic heavy-lift aircraft. Tactical heavy-lift aircraft. Anphibious landing vessels. Then, at the back, there's 4 big submarines. And, as a reminder, I reckon the Royal Marines have still got a grudge to settle.
@24 Money no object!
@16 - Think
Sep 29th, 2012 - 04:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina cost the lives of those thousand men. Argentine MURDERED 30,000 of its own people.
Argentina is the aggressor, and the world can see it. Argentina will never gain sovereignty over the Falkland Islands.
You know this to be true, which is why you make such stupid and inflammatory comments, which everyone in the world knows are lies.
Just like the world knows that Argentina's claims to the Falklands are lies.
The formation of the Falkland Islands community - 1833 (probably as early as 1829)
The formation of the Republic of Argentina - 1853
So how can 'Argentina' have ever had sovereignty over the Islands when they have been British since 1690?
The international community, unlike yourself 'think', can do mathematics, they can look at the evidence the UK presents and see that the Argentine claims are lies - lies because Argentina can never produce evidence of events that didn't take place.
Poor impotent Argtard 'think'. You're a loser, from a country that constantly chooses loser's to run them. The UP lost in 1833, and Argentina lost a war you started in 1982.
And then you blame the victims of your brutal illegal invasion for the deaths that occurred. I honestly didn't believe that you Argtards could sink that low. You've played the victim is long that you actually believe that 3,000 people are a threat to your population of 40,000,000.
The world sees you saying this, and they laugh at the cowardice, the patheticness, and the stupidity of your government and people like you 'think'. It's a shame, because people like you tar all the decent Argentine people with your stupid, racist, ill-thoughtout comments.
How does it feel 'think' to be a cowardly, pathetic, stupid, loser?
Now try to actually think before you post again.
Its am ore longer conflict than 74 days of war, and you know it.
Sep 29th, 2012 - 04:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And sorry to say, but everybody in this dispute has been part of aggressions.
Dont want to go back to history, and up todays militarisation of Malvinas.
We are a beautiful region, with peace, with resources, with good links, with opportunities, and all ex colonies, with a history a culture a vision of relations of our own and with democracies and with no conflicts.
Dont bother.
(31) St.John
Sep 29th, 2012 - 04:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You say:
“Those lives were lost because one party attacked the other.”
I say:
Correct, a very deplorable and cowardly act.
Typical of our Armed Farces.
But, the origin of the whole misery is that one of the parties has no right whatsoever to be there in the first place……. And that’s the British party.
No matter how much you try to twist and dress it…
The British, under the cover of some assumed self-determination right of some self-invented “Falklands People” are trying to appropriate some 12,000,000 square km. of South Atlantic and Antarctic territory, adjacent to Argentina.
De kan rende os et vist sted, kan De….
@26 You pig-ignorant piece of genocidal scum-shit. In 1982, there were 258 souls lost to the forces of evil. Every one worth at least 100 argie lives. Argie lives lost? Who cares? Just more shit. Just bear it in mind, argie scum-shit. You owe us 31,900 lives. I want every life. Every death. Every drop of argie blood. And I want the remains shovelled into the ocean where they can be eaten, defecated, dissolved, destroyed. And “Think” or whatever your name is, I hold YOU and every other argie, from now until the end of time, personally responsible. Research shows the current population of argieland to be 41,281,631. Not enough! I want your “country” to be a carpet of corpses. Nothing left alive. Except for CFK. I want to see her in the middle of it all. Upright. Impaled. A steel stake through her crotch until it comes out the top of her head. If pushed, tinpotman could have the stake on one side of her. And you could have the one on the other side!
Sep 29th, 2012 - 04:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Correct, a very deplorable and cowardly act.
Sep 29th, 2012 - 04:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Typical of our Armed Farces.”
This is a fact.
“But, the origin of the whole misery is that one of the parties has no right whatsoever to be there in the first place”
This is an opinion.
cry to UK for equipment, materials, and services.
Sep 29th, 2012 - 04:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Think
Sep 29th, 2012 - 04:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I would not say that they are trying to appropriate, using the word trying, would indicate an event in action, not yet finished. When in fact, they have lived there for nearly two centuries. A more appropriate word would be achieved or even accomplished, conveying more permenancy of situation that has existed for nearly two centuries. Sorry to nit pick and all that, just a thought.
Again, typical of this kind of press… “News” is more wishes than realities.
Sep 29th, 2012 - 05:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why MP don’t dignify this lady adding some consistent proves, theories and arguments.
Instead of showing her in that poor level.
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Sep 29th, 2012 - 05:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Keep it up troll, you're doing a great job ensuring that the Falkland Islands and surrounding Maritime space remains British Territory for ever.
On another note I see that one pariah nation is backing another pariah nation
Sep 29th, 2012 - 05:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-deeply-concerned-over-argentina-iran-meetings/
“we have received encouraging signals from many South American countries”
Sep 29th, 2012 - 05:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That's for sure! That little something I've been intimating for a while still looks set for late October/ early November.
Think
You say: what blockade?
I say: you're right; your blocade attempts are impotent.
But you understand politics as well as anyone on here so of course you know the game of the facts versus the comments for international consumption. You big nasty people! Stop blockading us!
Chuckle chuckle.
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Sep 29th, 2012 - 05:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0excuse me , what is the meaning of “” turnip “” ?
informant ?...or else !
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you said living in Uruguay
i havent find this Mercopress address
can you provide /say us it !
jan has cute pink cheeks!!! :)
Sep 29th, 2012 - 05:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(45) gustbury
Sep 29th, 2012 - 06:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Dont be Cheecky with Jan......
I saw her first......;-)
26 Think (#)
Sep 29th, 2012 - 06:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes it is sad that so many lost their lives very pathetic because if it was not for the aggressive Argentines trying to steel our home in th efirst place no one needed to die in the seccond place. We did not invade the Islands Your lot did you prat. No wonder Argentina is still in the dark ages with crap like you about.
No wonder your stolen Country is in such a mess.
Pretty pathetic would you not have to agree.
(47) kelperabout
Sep 29th, 2012 - 07:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Paraphrasing your own words:
” If you Brits hadn't invaded the Islands in 1833 in the first place no one needed to die in the second place.
You British Squatters will eventually have to move.
The only questionmark is: When?
Please leave the keys in the lock.
Falklands’ lawmaker anticipates cracks in Argentina’s blockade of the Islands
Sep 29th, 2012 - 07:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They always did use dodgy cement,
Soon the cracks,
Then the whole wall will come tumbling down,
British endurance wins the day,
Argentine eagerness and greed, loses again.
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@48
Sep 29th, 2012 - 07:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You British Squatters will eventually have to move
You creepy little man Think even the Junta allowed the Falklanders stay when they invaded
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Sep 29th, 2012 - 08:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0maybe this web site is published from Argentina !
You've sunk to new lows,Think, to blame us for all your country's evil deeds.
Sep 29th, 2012 - 08:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Whats the matter Chief Squatting Turnip, are you angry because you didn't catch any fish?
Oh, just in passing, you will never get the Falklands or the “12 million km2 of sea & sea-bed”that annoys you so much. lol
Suck it up, Squatter
Think s?????????
Sep 29th, 2012 - 08:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0perspective is interestingly correct,
Three cheers for the chief,
But wait, a leak appears in his reasoning,
1, If you Brits hadn't invaded the Islands in 1833 in the first place no one needed to die in the second place.
2, his 2nd thought,
But, the origin of the whole misery is that one of the parties has no right whatsoever to be there in the first place……. And that’s the British party.
No matter how much you try to twist and dress it…
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Allow me to put this into its correct perspectives for the chief,,
It should say in all instances, 2nd and 3rd places,
By his own reckoning,
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Thus,
If Spain had not invaded that part of South America [in the 1st place]
That caused the deaths eventually of millions of native inhabitants,
Then its implanted illegal aliens later to be called Argentina,
Would not have been there to illegally invade a tiny unarmed defenceless island,
To whom the dreaded British arrived on, in the 2nd place,
And thus the deaths of hundreds in the 3rd place,
In a nut shell,
It’s their fault, not the British,
And the Spanish by the way, must of infected future generations of Argies, who then went on to conquer, other lands and killed thousands, to acquire the stolen land she has today,
[Thus she claims it through wars.]
Still,
I blame it on the Romans,
If had not let the VANDALS, into Spain in the first place.????ha ha .
.mmmm
chuckle chuckle.
Sep 29th, 2012 - 08:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(43) Joe Bloggs
Sep 29th, 2012 - 08:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You say:
“.... of course you know the game of the facts versus the comments for international consumption. You big nasty people! Stop blockading us!”
I have said previously that :
I don't like you “Noveau Riche” attitude.
But I do like your sincerity about your crocodile tears.
There may be some good Ol' Kelper blood in you after all, Joe.
Think I am glad you don't like me. I don't know why you refer to me as newly rich. I'm not rich, I own a couple of properties, my wife and I work hard, we travel a bit and we pay for some domestic help. Big deal. I've said before and I'll say it again: our household income is around FKP95,000. Comfortable but hardly rich.
Sep 29th, 2012 - 09:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 048 Think (#)
Sep 29th, 2012 - 09:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Seems most have already said what I was about to say.
53 briton (#) put it in a nut shell. If one wants to squable over my home then let us be very politically correct. Captain John Davis discovered these islands in 1592. That we do know. Then somewhere along the way the French decided to start a home here. They later realised their incorectness and left but decided to start what is the whole dambed issue today. They supposedly sold what was never realy theirs in the first place. To the Spanish who sent their hords into South America in the seccond place . But meanwhile Britain decides to settle these lands again to find that this weird new Country called Argentina has decided to claim the islands for them selves. Now come on fellows. Argentina is a created Country by the Spanish not by real people wanting to be pioneers as WE Falkland Islanders were. No matter how one looks at it there is no one as qualified to talk about the Falkland situation then th every people that live there. BUT of course those weird Argentines do not want to talk with us because we are way to smart for them to savvy.
Pitty because if they did talk they would soon realise that we Islanders actually own this land but have chosen to acept that Britain not only discovered them but also owned them. We intend to stay that way so poor demented THINK can shout or jump up and down all he/she wants but the end of the day we are going to be recognised World wide that we do have moral rights to live and own this land.
(56) Joe Bloggs
Sep 29th, 2012 - 09:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Joe, Joe, Joe.......
Try to read my post No.:55 again..... Slowly this time....
I said:
1) I don't like you “Nouveau Riche” attitude.
Your “attitude” ... “A-t-t-i-t-u-d-e”... Comprende?
2)But I do like your sincerity about your crocodile tears.
There may be some good Ol' Kelper blood in you after all, Joe.
Besides....., you owe me at least a couple of lagers for using and misusing my copyrighted “Chuckle chuckle© all the time”
Chuckle chuckle.
Sep 29th, 2012 - 09:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Malen- who imports expensive stuff from Uk because they have to? Falkland Islands imort all sorts of things from the mopst economical and quality value origen.
Sep 29th, 2012 - 09:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That is why we import things direct from:
Chile, Uruguay and Brazil in S.America.
UK and other European nations .
As usual you have your facts all arse-up (If I am allowed to say so).
36 Conquistador ( # )you have a great mental problem man!!visit the doctor!! Ah and the pig are you!!and die you!! :)
Sep 29th, 2012 - 09:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0'
Sep 29th, 2012 - 09:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0'However the Falklands’ lawmaker admitted that as far as she is aware, “there is no imminent military threat from Argentina”'
As far as the British government was aware, that was true in early 1982.
@ TTT, BK and Axel Arg
Sep 29th, 2012 - 10:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As a K supporter, can you please answer the following question, which TTT has still not answered...If i remember well, you are intellectually honest, and she attempted to give an argentinian a hard time just because he was studying in a private expensive University in the USA, almost as if he was committing a crime:
Does Kretina remember that her cherished daughter Florencia studied Cinema in a prestigious University in New York (and not in La Matanza)? And was the apartment they bought in NY for her (one of the most expensive cities in the world when it comes to property market) acquired before the dollar clamp or were AR pesos accepted in the transaction?? Utmost hypocrisy and double standards maybe????
But Think, no-one invaded in 1833. There was an attempted invasion by BA in 1832, but that was peacefully sorted in January 1833.
Sep 29th, 2012 - 11:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And what about 1829 ?? Why does Argentina want to forget 1829 ??
:-)
http://www.scribd.com/doc/103755318/Falklands-War-The-First-400-Years-PDF
Think is a charlatan. As second generation Skandohovian immigrant he couldnt care a damn about Argentina, but much more about his precious ideaology. Peronist? whats that animal? Think is more akin to Vidkun Quisling than anything else in what he calls his thinking
Sep 29th, 2012 - 11:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ THINK
Sep 30th, 2012 - 12:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0Can you please answer my question addressed to K supporters (line 63)? A straightforward question which deserves a straightfoward honest answer.
Think- Today is 2012 - not 1833- 1765-1592 or even the year of the Papal bull! We each have our beliefs about who was right to do what to the other centuries ago!
Sep 30th, 2012 - 01:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0In 2012 who gives a damn! In those days you settled disputes with swords and gunboats - that was the nomal accepted method. After all the same methods were used by the ancestors of todays Argentinians,Brazilians etc to takeover those countries from the people who originally lived there!
Today it is done by Democratic Principles like self-determination- choice and vote of the people who live in the place concerned , or whatever other word you choose to use.
EG- Northern and Southern Ireland - The Balkans- etc etc.
All backed up by missiles and gunboats :-)
Sep 30th, 2012 - 01:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0Have if some remember this lady that the booming economy of the Malvinas is due to the illegal exploitation of our resources in our sea. With 39 UN resolutions to where you should go to this site and is not International Institute for Strategic Studies.
Sep 30th, 2012 - 01:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0Also ignoring the fact that all Latin American countries from Mexico to Tierra del Fuego, and “small countries” such as China and Russia support not only compliance with UN resolutions but Argentina's sovereignty over the Malvinas too.
Malvinas is a cause of decolonization.
@69
Sep 30th, 2012 - 02:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0None of us care.
Lord Ton- 100%! In those days it was word and gunboat first and peoples rights a poor second - 2012 it is Democracy first - and backed up as you say.
Sep 30th, 2012 - 03:06 am - Link - Report abuse 069- Look at a map - you will see it is us - the people of the Islands (nobody else) who are developing the resources of THEIR area.
WE “Decolonized” here about 20-25 years ago actually!! WE- the Islanders - now run OUR country.UK just looks after defence and foreign affairs.
We do not want to become a COLONY of Argentina - ie ruled by a Government we do not want nor elect!
There are no 'live' resolutions. The last one died quietly in 1989 when diplomatic relations were restored.
Sep 30th, 2012 - 03:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0And the alleged 'international support' is all smoke and mirrors. Even Argentina's neighbours only pay lip service to the claims. Ask the Chileans who live on the Falklands.
The Falklands will be decolonised in the usual way eventually - by the people who live there taking full and legitimate control.
Aristegui Interview in Mexico for cnn.
Sep 30th, 2012 - 03:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0“falklands Blooper”
overseas territory of Argentina, sorry Great Britain.
My goddddddddddddd
LOL
Come on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Was today on TV in Argentina!!!!!
Sorry “okupas” = usurpers of shit, but you have to have the eternal guardianship of “Inca-the-bitch” because we never give up the Malvinas Argentinas.
Sep 30th, 2012 - 04:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0Let's see: 1000 okupas descendants of okupas, 2000 okupas “descendants” of “Inca-the-bitch”, ha ha ha, and say “People.”
For those who do not know terms gaucho: England = Inca The Bitch.
No insults please, and I'm sorry didn´t want to lough.
Sep 30th, 2012 - 04:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0José if you are Argie, don't insult please.
Here is the fullvideo of the interview!
http://tu.tv/videos/islas-malvinas_4
@74 José Mal-de-mal-mal,
Sep 30th, 2012 - 04:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0Call us what you like, fool. lt doesn't matter.
We have the Falklands & you DONOT(& never will, l might add!).
75 GastonBaires, are Argentinian? Because my post was to nos. 71 and 72. If you are not Argentine, I clarified that I am not “Argi” but ARGENTINO. English speaking disparagingly (almost as an insult) with that term.
Sep 30th, 2012 - 04:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0Gets a bit boring listening to moaning argies. But if they want to keep on repeating their unfounded nonsense that's up to them. As long as the Islands remain British that's all that matters.
Sep 30th, 2012 - 06:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0@77 Dont like being called a Argie? Ok how about RG,that better you little petal
Sep 30th, 2012 - 07:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0I´m not from Argentina, but it´s clear that All South America and a lot of others countries in the world support the Argentina’s position regarding this issue because, because they know that uk has stolen these territories and the overseas areas. Everybody knows that uk has a huge history of a pirate nation who stole a lot, for example, territories, islands, resources which belonged to others countries (oil, fish, among others), and overseas areas and this truth can´t be hidden. A lot of territories around the world were stolen by uk. Malvinas are only a little example of that, they are a colony because these Islands were stolen by this country. It would be better if the uk´s pirates go back to their country, with your stupid vessels and all other weapons that they bring to SouthAmerica only to bother this region which always only has wanted the peace. Everybody knows that uk is trying to hold this usupation using the military force but without any valid argument.
Sep 30th, 2012 - 07:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0@80
Sep 30th, 2012 - 08:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0Just who was it who used force in 82? and do you have any concept of “Right to self defence” a legal concept in most civilised countries, similiar to “Right of self determination.”
@malvinistas
Sep 30th, 2012 - 08:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0It's funny watching you lot thrash about, trying desperately to defend the undefendable - a colonial land grab of somebody elses homes. Then you try and blame the other side!
No matter how you dress it up - and how much trouble you cause by economic and pyschological warfare against the falklanders- your claim to the islands is old hat - 180 years after it's best before date and your antics make it increasingly unlikely that the falklanders will want to have anything to do with you for a generation.
Your country can shout, rant , rave, posture and lie as much as it likes - you are'nt going to get control of the falklands are you......
Face it - you have lost, just like you did in 1982.....
Carry on wasting your energy, though, I like watching you get all frustrated over your failings.
If everybody knew it Farrel then we'd be under some real pressure. There is no pressure - which suggests that few 'know it'.
Sep 30th, 2012 - 08:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0^^ 50 -- 52
Sep 30th, 2012 - 08:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0He is Mercopress employee,media manipulation expert.
^^51
Probable (contra guidance tool )becouse all islets news are bogus.
78 Englander
Sep 30th, 2012 - 08:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0There is a lesson to learnt by everyone then huh?
If KFC so wanted, there would, right now, be no bad feelings. the Falkland Islanders would be enjoying peaceful relations with Argentina. Alas, she had to try force to get her way. Using the Falkland Islands as a distraction to her people, a bit like President Clinton used to slap Saddam Hussian down when the secrets and lies started coming out about his private life.... remember that?
But it continues, making a fool out of herself repeatedly on the world stage crying to anyone who will listen that “they are ours” and where has it got KFC's government?
Life in the falklands' goes on. The world ignores the whole thing or, as is most often the case, drags out a few nobel peace prize winners, or some has-been pop stars or actors to say “Well, they really should sit down and sort this out”
Leave them alone, Argentina had a chance to sort it out in the 60's and 70's but chose force instead, and the “diplomatic” force it chooses this time has no chance of working.
They seem to forget that the Islanders are not “kelpers” or “squatters” they are people. KFC would do well to remember that. Until she starts treating them like people, until she remembers that they are people then she will always be destined to fail.
This reminds of one of those adventure movies like Mission Impossible, you know the scene! They fix the security cameras of a building they are breaking into, by recording the views on a continuous video loop and playing it back, the same view. Round and round and round and round, again and again. Always the same view never ending.
Sep 30th, 2012 - 08:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0Works well in fiction, extremely boring and ineffective in real life.
80 JF
Sep 30th, 2012 - 09:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0If every one supports Argentina as you say could you please explain in what form their support takes? Let's look at Argentina's closest neighbours.
Chile
Continues to allow its national airline to do business in the Falklands, commerce between the countries is as strong as ever and Chile allows hundreds of its nationals to freely live and work in the Falklands and its political leaders in Patagonia frequently make reference to this worthwhile relationship. Falklands flagged ships are still freely entering Chilean ports. Falkland Islanders do more than USD5, 000, 000 worth of tourism-related business with Chile annually.
Uruguay
Commerce is reasonable and growing. Only this year a delegation from their Chamber of Commerce came to the Falklands to explore other trade options. More business has come from those talks already and a lot more is being planned. A cargo air link now exists between the Falklands and Uruguay. Falklands flagged ships enter Uruguayan ports freely.
Have you been to the Falklands John? The reason I ask is that there was a contractor worker in Stanley in the 90s with a name something like yours (can't quite remember if it was the same as yours or not). It didn't work out too well for him on account of him being a total disgrace. Ended up leaving with outstanding debts and a very bad reputation. I just wondered if it might be you.
@87 and presumably the others are so far away that they couldn't really give a toss. They just sooth the spoilt child with comforting but ultimately meaningless words of support. well JF, I think your list is dwindling to the usual list of pariah states.
Sep 30th, 2012 - 09:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0Unfortunately no Falkland flagged vessels can dock in Paraquay and I believe this will be the case for the forseeable future! ;-)
^^87
Sep 30th, 2012 - 09:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0There is a -- greenish -- building in Stanley(Port Stanley )
It is used what purpose ?
That's our nuclear reactor.
Sep 30th, 2012 - 09:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Capstan Gift Shop?
Sep 30th, 2012 - 09:29 am - Link - Report abuse 091 Steveu
Sep 30th, 2012 - 09:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0It could be any number of buildings. More information required.
You're right about Paraguay. They have made it very clear that our ships cannot enter.
^^ 90 ,, ^^91
Sep 30th, 2012 - 09:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0you dont know the islets.
time is 05.30 in these islets.
JF is another PH they live in safety, in another land,
Sep 30th, 2012 - 09:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0sprouting anti brits,
yet enjoing the comforts of home,.lol.
Anyone know where a country stands in maritime law, by banning the entry of a flagged vessel 0f a country they are not engaged in conflict with. Is it breaching any law?
Sep 30th, 2012 - 09:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0yep.
Sep 30th, 2012 - 09:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0but no one wants to push the point.
93 MurkyThink
Sep 30th, 2012 - 09:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0What a detective! I'm in London you deadbeat. I come here a lot on business.
I am a Falkland Islander and the Falklands is my home. My kids are studying in the UK and my wife and I both have jobs that bring us to the UK a lot.
its chilly here today.
Sep 30th, 2012 - 09:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0Where? UK or Falklands? Yesterday was a beautiful day in the UK. Spoilt only by the fact that my wife and kids thought it would be a good idea to spend the day at Bluewater. What is it with women and shopping?
Sep 30th, 2012 - 09:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0Home in a couple of weeks. Can't wait!
By the way Murkythink. If you knew anything about the Falklands you'd know that a lot of Falkland Islanders would have a very good reason to be on the internet at 5.30am. Deadbeat. I'm not one of them but like I said, I'm in the UK.
Now we're all off to walk someone's dog in the park. Catch you all later.
Which park, use to walk my late mothers in Hyde park, when I visited with the kids. They loved it, feeding the birds and squirrels nuts from their hands. Enjoy, looks like you have a nice morning for it.
Sep 30th, 2012 - 10:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0@89MurkyThink,
Sep 30th, 2012 - 10:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0CIA HQ, maybe.
@57 You forgot to mention Captain John Strong. 1690. This probably marks the beginning of British settlement. The French didn't turn up until 1764. Various maps of that era show British settlements to have been more numerous than the single French settlement. The arrival of the French no doubt prompted the British to make their formal claim to the Islands in 1765. Incidentally, the French did leave. But at the instigation of the Spanish who bought the French settlement. That's important because there is no evidence that the French ever formally claimed the Islands. The Spanish, who didn't act until 1766, therefore bought a settlement on territory that was already under British sovereignty.
Sep 30th, 2012 - 10:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0@61 Gutless little twerp!
@64 I know that you know but it must be mentioned AGAIN that the bunch of rebellious Spanish genocidal colonists have only ever been trespassers on the Falklands. First trespass 1820.
@70 Agreed!
@80 You get worse. Your stupidity would be painful if it wasn't so funny. Answer a simple question. Is it possible to steal something that doesn't belong to anyone?
Sorry Conqueror - but history isn't that simple :-)
Sep 30th, 2012 - 11:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.scribd.com/doc/103755318/Falklands-War-The-First-400-Years-PDF
It is so boring when all the malvinista trolls appear with their fairy story versions of the history of the Falkland Islands, they are like bad comedians they don't know that it is time to go home.
Sep 30th, 2012 - 02:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“In principle, the Falkland Islands belong to Argentina”
Sep 30th, 2012 - 04:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sunday 1 April 2012
“Any ”acceptable settlement” (The Falklands: 30 years on, 31 March) will recognise that the islands belong to Argentina, by virtue of the principle of uti possidetis juris.“
”So the islanders have the security of Mount Pleasant defence but not of international law.”
Peter Hamilton
Much Marcle, Herefordshire
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/apr/01/falkland-islands-principle-international-law
”SOME ANIMALS SEEM TO BE MORE EQUAL THAN OTHERS”
Sep 30th, 2012 - 04:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I just noticed that my comment No. (26) has been ”Removed by the Editor.”
I’ll, just for comparison purposes, re-post it …..............:
(26) “The people that live and work on the Malvinas Islands are full blown British citizens.
As a matter of fact, the people that live and work on the Malvinas Islands enjoy more rights and have less obligations than the vast majority of British citizens.
A really privileged bunch of British Squatters you are…….
And don't fool yourself……
Your squatting of them South Atlantic Islands has cost many lives during the past 180 years....
Last time, some 1,000 souls in 1982……
One soul for each pair of you….
Pathetic, don’t you think?”
Compare it now with comment N0. (36) Conqueror a real“pearl” of British debating skills that has NOT been ”removed by the editor…..:
“26, You pig-ignorant piece of genocidal scum-shit. In 1982, there were 258 souls lost to the forces of evil. Every one worth at least 100 argie lives. Argie lives lost? Who cares? Just more shit. Just bear it in mind, argie scum-shit. You owe us 31,900 lives. I want every life. Every death. Every drop of argie blood. And I want the remains shovelled into the ocean where they can be eaten, defecated, dissolved, destroyed. And “Think” or whatever your name is, I hold YOU and every other argie, from now until the end of time, personally responsible. Research shows the current population of argieland to be 41,281,631. Not enough! I want your “country” to be a carpet of corpses. Nothing left alive. Except for CFK. I want to see her in the middle of it all. Upright. Impaled. A steel stake through her crotch until it comes out the top of her head. If pushed, tinpotman could have the stake on one side of her. And you could have the one on the other side!”
Juppp... ”SOME ANIMALS ARE MORE EQUAL THAN OTHERS”, indeed…..
Uti possidetis juris or uti possidetis iuris (Latin for “as you possess under law”) is a principle of international law that states that newly formed sovereign states should have the same borders that their preceding dependent area had before their independence. (Wiki)
Sep 30th, 2012 - 04:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What were Argentina's borders before their independence?
@75 Hey nice video Gaston,I especially like the part on 5:02 when he says “The Falklands is a territory that belongs to Argentiiii....errrr I mean Great Britian” and then you see the interviewerishs eyes open wide with a smile on her face.Innocent slip up or something else? Either way he seems like a nice guy speaks spanish very well with a little hint of RG accent too LOL .
Sep 30th, 2012 - 04:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0106 Think
Sep 30th, 2012 - 04:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Good comparison, “Conqueror” is probably the editor himself.
Can somebody answer the following questions please;
Sep 30th, 2012 - 04:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If the FI's vote to remain under British sovereignty next year does this definitely mean that these islands will be off the Decolonisation list in the UN?
Also will Argentina still be able to claim sovereignty on these islands to the UN following a successful British vote on the referendum?
(110) tonto ( means silly / fool / idiot / witless /simple-minded in Spanish)
Sep 30th, 2012 - 05:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Q: If the FI's vote to remain under British sovereignty next year does this definitely mean that these islands will be off the Decolonisation list in the UN?
A: No.
Q: Also will Argentina still be able to claim sovereignty on these islands to the UN following a successful British vote on the referendum?
A: Yes.
Think!,
Sep 30th, 2012 - 05:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0lol, but i have been called a lot worse so it's water off a ducks back. I guess ignorance is bliss eh!
Sooo, is what you are saying correct or are you just being rhetorical? I would be grateful if you could substantiate this please.
Are there any Brits on this forum who can also answer my question at # 110?
(112) Mr. T
Sep 30th, 2012 - 05:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0TTBOMK; what I have said is correct.
Think.
Sep 30th, 2012 - 05:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No insult that time! well I guess we are getting somewhere.
Just waiting for some fellow Brits to challenge that one.
(112) Mr. T
Sep 30th, 2012 - 05:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don't be silly...
Nobody insulted nobody...
I just informed you about the meaning in the Spanish language of your chosen nick.
If the British Falklands .FI's vote to remain under British sovereignty next year does this definitely mean that these islands will be off the Decolonisation list in the UN?
Sep 30th, 2012 - 05:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0[no]
Also will Argentina still be able to claim sovereignty on these islands to the UN following a successful British vote on the referendum?
[Yes]
So think is correct, in part,
As long as Argentina believes it is entitled to something, it will claim it,
Just like if Australia wanted to claim NZ it could,
But as with both points,
If anyone believes you or not is another question.
In this particular case, Argentina has no valid claim on the British Falklands,
But this does not stop her claim
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Still,
There is a little tiny part of Africa, that has a claim on Argentina,
Are we not all descent from,
Lolol.
.justa pointa .
@111 - Think
Sep 30th, 2012 - 05:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You're wrong. Once the referendum is held the Falklands will have achieved one of the possible outcomes specified by the decolonisation committee. By te committee's own rules they will have to be removed.
Can Argentina keep claiming sovereignty? Well you will no matter what, but no one will take your claims seriously. Nothing you say can trump the right to self-determination of the islanders.
Your belligerent attitude towards the islanders has pretty much guaranteed that they will never voluntarily choose to become Argentinian. You only have yourselves to blame. You could have extended the hand of friendship to them, instead you only offered them the fist of aggression. Shame on you.
117 LEPRecon
Sep 30th, 2012 - 05:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Are you sure they will be removed,
Im given the understanding, that unless full independence or the etiquette that France and Spain operate, she would remain on the list,
If so,
Then perhaps C24 should thus be abolished.
Let me know.
.
114 tonto
Sep 30th, 2012 - 05:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Irrespective what the BIGGEST LIAR on MercoPress says, as they say: 'it all depends'
Technically, a positive vote by the Falklanders (there are STILL no Malvinas) should satisfy the C24 committee that they fall out of the scope of their remit. BUT, the members of the committee are so blinded by their lack of respect of Britain and so anxious to 'put one over them' they will most likely do the opposite. This would not be at all unusual as 'I don't Think' aka The Turnip In Chief knows only too well.
Argentina took no notice of the SC requirement for them to leave the islands which they invaded in 1982, so why should they take any notice of any UN decision?
What really matters of course, and this is what scares The Mad Bitch Of Argentina shitless along with her trolls such as the despicable example that 'I don't Think' represents, is what the rest of the world sees.
That of course will be the truth of the matter. The islanders will vote for what they really want: to stop the bullying by 40M cowards across several hundred miles of water and get on with their peaceful lives.
Remember that it has ALWAYS been the AGs who start the aggression and all the Peronist nonsense, not the islanders.
Hope this helps.
Hi LEPRecon,
Sep 30th, 2012 - 06:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Do you have the statement that says the FI's will be taken off the decolonisation list? or near to that affect anyhow?
Co-existence, as per the status quo, beats the sh*t out of fighting anyday.
I just hope the general feeling in Argentina is more towards the former.
(120) Mr T
Sep 30th, 2012 - 06:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yeahhh: let us see LEPRecon's “statement” that says the FI's will be taken off the decolonisation list......
Hi Think,
Sep 30th, 2012 - 06:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm listening to everybody's take on this. Not just one sided.
No rhtoric here but I wonder how Argentina would be to the FI's it they were French or Spanish OT's?
i.e is it because they are British, the reason for all this hatred.
@121 -Think
Sep 30th, 2012 - 06:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If the C24 fail to follow their own rules then the UK can petition the UNGA to abolish it as they will have shown that they biased against the Falkland Islanders, and can no longer be trusted.
The UNGA cannot be bought like your friends on the C24, and they won't back any committee that breaks its own rules, and the founding principles of the UN.
But for the committee members, this committee is a gravy train. Loads of money in expenses for doing next to nothing. Somehow I doubt the committee members will risk losing all the expenses they can claim and a free ride for life for Argentina's sake.
But stick to your guns. Continue to harrass the Islanders. Show the world that Argentina is no better today than you were under the junta, you are still bullies, who only have conquest and subjugation on your minds.
If they were French,
Sep 30th, 2012 - 06:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina would not be ??? full stop.
Spanish, anybodies guess ..
either way,
if the islanders vote to remain british, then officialy that the end of it,
as for CFK .
the end will only come,when she goes or joins her other half,
fair comment....
(122) tonto
Sep 30th, 2012 - 06:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You ask:
“Is it because they are British, the reason for all this hatred.”
I answer:
No.
Ps:
LEPRecon still owes you that “statement” that says the FI's will be taken off the decolonisation list......doesn't he?
@119 It's pretty easy calling 40m ppl cowards sitting nice cozy and anonymous behind a keyboard isn't it?.Hey newsflash Crissy, the majority of Argentines can give 3 sh!ts about the Falklands the only ones who care are the 1982 war vets and a couple of other Malvinistas....you brits seem more obsessed then we are....O.K. Falklanista?
Sep 30th, 2012 - 06:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well you may or may not be correct,
Sep 30th, 2012 - 06:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But at least you are one the growing majority
That believe the British Falklands should be left alone,
Thanks for your support.
p/s
just tell CFK she will be envious .lol.
Briton
Sep 30th, 2012 - 06:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your nation is at the brink of the abyss, and you are taking a step forwards. Count on Uruguay's full support as well :)
119
Sep 30th, 2012 - 07:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It helps to confirm you are full of shit.
126
Sep 30th, 2012 - 07:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I tend to agree with you there about the majority of Argentina not caring less. As for us being obsessed: perhaps the behaviour of CfK, Timmerman, Aguello, Castro and Co might have something to do with that. Do you think?
129 Englander aka The Wallflower
Sep 30th, 2012 - 07:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just can't grasp the truth can you?
Do you think, that for 1/google seconds, I give a damn what you think?
Guzz,
Sep 30th, 2012 - 07:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It doesn't really answer my original question at 110. But lets not kid ourselves, both of our countries are in the doo doo. No doubt there will be much conjecture and everyone calling each other c**ts over who's country is in the bigges doo doo.
i'll get my coat! Mission failed.
@105 The Guardian. A bunch of twats that “Think” like argies. The Guardian. Good for starting fires and for toilet paper.
Sep 30th, 2012 - 07:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@106 What's the matter, faggot, do you not like the truth? Having watched your comments for a considerable period of time, you are a stupid smartass without any ability to tell the truth. Here's some truth. I want you and the rest of your miserable country exterminated. I'd call you a stain on humanity except that I've never encountered a “human” argie. You are undoubtedly the most disgusting animals on the planet. I'm not an expert taxonomist but I would place you lower and uglier than slugs. Why would I “debate” with YOU? You don't have enough brain!
@111 Correction: The answer to the first question is: Depends on how many argie bum-lickers there are on the irrelevant committee. The answer to the second question is: Argtards can “claim” all they like. For the next thousand years if they like. The status of the Islands can and will “change” in only one way when the time is right. From British Overseas Territory to independent. But with the proviso that Britain reserves the right to rip the guts out of anyone who attacks them.
@118 C24 should be abolished. It's a stacked deck. The reason Britain ignores it. It has no “power”.
@125 That's because you're a stupid faggot. Justify the Islands being on “a list” when both Britain and the Falklands say they are not a colony. Because colonialist, greedy, imperialist argieland says so? Brainless!
@126 1982. 115 British prisoners. 11,313 argies surrendered. Go figure! Not obsessed. Just refuse to let argie liars lie unopposed. Read all comments. Think! But no comments from “Think”. He's a tosser!
@128 You're an ignorant fool! A traitorous CFK supporter. Who cares nothing for Uruguay.
@132 Make no mistake. Britain and the Falkland Islands will WIN. Argieland will, effectively, die. Uruguay “may” survive if Mujica, the argie traitor/dupe is dumped!
“you brits seem more obsessed then we are....O.K. Falklanista?”
Sep 30th, 2012 - 07:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hardly, it barely reaches the news over here. Argentina uses every single opportunity to talk about the issue. You have people protest in the streets about it.
No-one even mentions it over here, I don't think i've ever had one single person not from the internet bring it up in conversation.
And as some of you have already stated,
Sep 30th, 2012 - 08:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0All you get on argie TV is what they are told to show you,
Because if they told you the truth, they would not be in power anymore,
It’s an old dictator’s trick,
.
@127 Your welcome, also I remember an article I read about the % of Argentines that were in favor of the FI''s being Argentine were like 22-23% or something,but that % grew to like 40 something percent after Cameron accused Argentina of colonialism sometime like 3 months after CFK started her bitching.Either way if you ask an Argentine that believes the FI belong to Argentina they would usually answer with a simple “yes they are ours” and move on with their lives,were not hostile asshole's like most of you brits think we are it's our gvn't that are the real asshole's.We are mostly very joyous cheerful(alegre) ppl we just don't like being backed up in a corner.
Sep 30th, 2012 - 08:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Tonto
Sep 30th, 2012 - 08:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This site is for spreading trash on eachothers nations, not to have serious discussions. If you stick around, you'll see...
@110 Those are easy to answer
Sep 30th, 2012 - 08:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“If the FI's vote to remain under British sovereignty next year does this definitely mean that these islands will be off the Decolonisation list in the UN?”
No. It won't mean anything. As per the UN the Malvinas question is a PARTICULAR colonial situation in which ther's a sovereignty dispute between TWO parties. The islands will only be off the Decolonization list when both parties have settled the dispute via negotiations..
“Also will Argentina still be able to claim sovereignty on these islands to the UN following a successful British vote on the referendum?”
Yes, it will. The argentine rights over the island does not depend on the wishes of the islanders. As per UN (again) there are TWO parties in the dispute. The islanders are British and part of the dispute. They can't be part and judges.
The referendum will only mean you have wasted time and money
A lession for some of your argies on here then..
Sep 30th, 2012 - 08:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0perhaps they will take note of what you say,
be friendly and go home.
perhaps..
@132 How can we help you? Would you like some RPGs to fire at CFK, tinpotman, Putrid Jelly, faggot Kicillof? What would you like to explode the Casa Rosada? Can you give co-0rdinates for suitable cruise missile targets?
Sep 30th, 2012 - 08:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Look Conq! A sheep!!
Sep 30th, 2012 - 08:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@131
Sep 30th, 2012 - 08:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Malvinistas - want what they call their “inheritance” from Spain,
“Falklinistas” - are fighting for their homes and their freedom.
Can 't put it more plainly than that.
@Englander ??
WTF ??? Are you an Argie mole Troll, too??!!!!
140 “Conqueror”
Sep 30th, 2012 - 08:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Are you sure you are capable do that nowadays?
Total British failure in Iraq and Afghanistan against a bunch of long beard rebels makes your offer very unrealistic.
140,
Sep 30th, 2012 - 08:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I would prefer the Argentines to talk direct to the FI's after the referendum. I think it's the only way forward.
CFK isn't helping with her accelerated words of disrespect towards the British and furthermore ignoring the FI's themselves, as if they don't exist.
I'm definitely up for economic cohesion, everyone has fun and makes money.
However the FI's, who have an ancestry which outdates most Argentines, then id say that gives them the right to be there.
On a patriotic level, we lost a lot of good soldiers taking the FI’s, and to give into CFK is a total betrayal of their bravery and loyalty. My friend’s brother was the youngest serving sailor on HMS Coventry when it got hit and I remember the whole school praying for him. Fortunately he survived. I hope Cameron remembers these sacrifices when he starts pandering up to Brazil for economic trade and then behind the scenes CFK forces Brazil to get the UK to venture into joint and then eventually full sovereignty of the FI’s. A distinct possibility maybe?
Seems you already had an answer ready for your own question, tonto...
Sep 30th, 2012 - 08:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@130 Joe Bloggs 134 Zethee/142 Troy Tempest...Sorry if I hit a nerve I just thought it sounded funny,and yes Joe I agree that CFK is the source of the problem.Anyways all I'm saying is that if you were to tell a handful of Brit's and Argie's that there's a website called MERCO PRESS where mostly Brit's and Argie's give there opinion on SA news and the main topic is the FI and who they belong to (even when the article has nothing to do FI it's still always brought up...ahemm) it would be mostly Brit's signing in.
Sep 30th, 2012 - 08:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hi Guzz,
Sep 30th, 2012 - 09:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you guys (Brit and Argentine on this forum) seem to know a lot more than me with regards to SA, hence why I was trying to get an armistice on insults and instead get common sense conversation.
Hi Marcos, lets not kid ourselves, Iraq and Afghanistan is certainly not queensbury rules is it. The US are also doing no better, just now in the news they are reporteing 2000 US deaths there. Anyone can plant bombs and dress as Afghan policeman, and then shoot resting, unarmed soldiers. War is a giant pile of sh1te and leaves nothing but greaving families. I only hope we don't get another occurence down your neck of the woods again.
Problem is tonto, that common sense is as relative as everything else and after have had your flag spit at on daily basis, common sense tells you to spit back... I'm Uruguayan by the way
Sep 30th, 2012 - 09:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Tonto- It is unlikley that the wording in the referendum question will refer to “remaining British”, indeed the word “british” may well not even be in it all.
Sep 30th, 2012 - 09:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0More likley perhaps to be along the lines of-“ Do you wish to continue developing as a self-governing overseas territory deciding your own future - or accept Argentine ownership and Government of the Islands”.
The recent census interestingly showed that TWICE as many people her associate themselves firstly as being Falkland Islands rather than as being British.
In other words - as you ask a Welshman or Scotsman - what is their nationality - most will answer - Welsh or Scottish - but yes overall still of British nationality. The same with us - more and more of us see us as our own Islands people first - then yes overall we are of course British - again by free choice!
It,s the “free choice” bit that a lot of the Argentines on here struggle to accept.
Hi Islander, If you don't mention remaining British in the referendum then couldn't the Agrentines argue the case “why are the British armed forces on the FI” and try have them removed by UN legislate?
Sep 30th, 2012 - 09:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0150 tonto
Sep 30th, 2012 - 10:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You appear to misunderstand the role of the UN. The 'normal' committees of which there are many and their sub-committees of which C24 decolonisation committee is an example, have no powers at all for enforcement and their (usually) stupid resolutions regarding the Falklands can be ignored.
The Security Council Resolutions are considered mandatory by civilised countries which is why Argentina IGNORED the resolution requiring them to vacate the islands that they had illegally invaded.
Also, the UK armed forces could legally stay on the islands at the request of the FIG. Not really a problem at all.
All Brits know that Argentina, irrespective of how far the legality of the Falklands is pushed, will ignore EVERYTHING and still bleat on about how badly the world treats them. It is one of the AG ‘governments’ ways of sidetracking the deluded 40M. It’s like telling a Muslim to burn the Koran.
Also, britain still has military bases in places like kosovo and cyprus. Just because a territory is independant doesn't mean we can't maintain defense agreements with them.
Sep 30th, 2012 - 10:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's especially true of commonwealth countries, though. If the Falklands opt for independance and a retention of ties within the commonwealth, our relationship with them is essentially not much different.
And in that scenario, if argentina complains we can just direct them to the canadian embassy, i'm sure Canada could explain to Argentina that being a commonwealth partner doesn't make them a colony...
@146 Patoruzu
Sep 30th, 2012 - 10:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“.Sorry if I hit a nerve I just thought it sounded funny”
“Funny”??
The Falklanders are fighting for their homes and freedom, and to be recognised as humans ( not as sub-humans/ nonexistents). In fact, perhaps for their very lives.
”Anyways all I'm saying is that if you were to tell a handful of Brit's and Argie's that there's a website called MERCO PRESS where mostly Brit's and Argie's give there opinion on SA news and the main topic is the FI and who they belong to (even when the article has nothing to do FI it's still always brought up...ahemm) it would be mostly Brit's signing in.”
The difference between Brits and Argies signing in is that the Argies are paid to be here, as propagandists (La Campora), to support the Peronist government initiatives.
This includes trying to undermine and misrepresent the Falklanders sovereignty and self-determination.
The Brits and their supporters are legitimate individuals posting on a forum to refute the misinformation CFK's government is trying make the world audience believe.
Malvinistas want control over the Falklands.
“Falklanistas”, as you dismissively put it, want to keep their homes and self-determination.
@148 Guzz
“Problem is tonto, that common sense is as relative as everything else and after have had your flag spit at on daily basis, common sense tells you to spit back”
Perhaps invading the peaceful, undefended, Falkland Islands, taking the people from their homes, imprisoning them inhumanely, while urinating and defecating in their houses, provoking a war that cost 1,000 lives, may have something to do with metaphorically “spitting” on your flag when the Islands and Brits are threatened and libelled again.
Do you see any connection?
@ TT,Well' I thought it was pretty funny since it's a made up word and all you know like Malvinista. I guess some ppl just get butt hurt too easily lol. As far as the Falkland islanders fighting for their lives...they are?really?Last time I checked they were living in peace and prosperity,if you mean against CFK and her henchman than jajaja yeah hardly,if I was an islander I'd be just laying back LMAO and enjoying the show until 3/2013.....oh and since Argie's are being paid to post here like you say do you have the number to the payroll debt?
Sep 30th, 2012 - 11:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@154 Patoruzu
Oct 01st, 2012 - 12:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0Again, you are trivialising a serious situation.
It cost a thousand military lives, last time.
Argentinian officers openly discussed removing the “Falkland problem” by eliminating the entire civilian population.
30 years later and Argentina is making another bid for the Islands under remarkably similar circumstances.
They only recognise the Island inhabitants as an “internal matter”.
Certainly there has been enough intimidation in the press and on this forum.
Can you guarantee that the Argie military won't harm any civilians defending their homes or their rights??
Why would there be so many trolls on here 24/7 making hostile and intimidating posts about the Falklands if it were not either a popular theme , or government sponsored?
La Campora and its function are well known.
Your own dismissive, patronising, attitude is disturbingly similar to the trolls.
Brian Riches (UK) says:
Oct 01st, 2012 - 12:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0“It might perhaps be possible to have Territorial Parliamentary Representatives present by video link”
What for Brian? 8000 miles is just around the corner...
Tonto- the more reasonable Argentines(not many on here sadly) will agree that the issue over the Islands is not so much us - the Islanders- but the “British Presence” in/near S America - a nasty old european colonial power etc etc.- however out of date that view may be- it is how they-,and some others in S America look at it.
Oct 01st, 2012 - 12:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0So a way needs to be found of somehow deflecting that outdated line of thought and misconception.
We are of course very much British at the end of the day - like The Channel Islands,Isle of Man etc etc - but now have, and are growing our own national identity as a Falkland Islands people(all thanks to what your brother and the others did for us in 1982) - no longer a “Colony” - that went years ago - but a self governing overseas Br territory - to small and with a large neighbour claiming us so we cannot become Independent.
@157
Oct 01st, 2012 - 01:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0“a nasty old european colonial power etc etc.- however out of date that view may be”
Outdated line of thougtht... you wish it was.
Correct line of thought. All European countries are ruthless, evil, colonial powers. Do you think Argentina's hatred for Europe is out of a vacuum?
You have tried to take over the world since 1492. If I allow myself to be minimally gracious, Europe has stopped trying to since circa... 1991 (when the last colonies in Africa were let go).
So lets see... 20 years of Europe “kinda not trying” to invade and exterminate other peoples and nations, vs 500 years before of commiting all national resources to Empire Building.
Don't you think at least a couple of centuries at least before us argentines change our view on how bad for humanity Europe has been?
@155 TT, First of all I jokingly stated the Brit's were Falklandistas not the Falklanders themselves, I don't know about you but for me there's a differance.Dick Sawle said it himself and I 100% agree with him about that and the FI's should be it's own country.And as far as ”Argentinian officers openly discussed removing the “Falkland problem” by eliminating the entire civilian population.
Oct 01st, 2012 - 01:27 am - Link - Report abuse 030 years later and Argentina is making another bid for the Islands under remarkably similar circumstances. Really? I never knew about this that's sounds like a Nazi deathsquad to me....mmmm....then I wonder why the Argentine soldiers didn't go on a mass murdering shooting spree when they invaded in 1982 but instead captured the British soldiers had then lay down their guns and waited for further orders mmm I wonder,and you say that till today are under remarkably similar circumstances.Last time I checked Argentina stated they only wanted dialogue.I could be wrong though do you have proof of this?And can I guarantee the Argie military won't harm any civilians?Well I believe Argentina doesn't have any intention on hurting innocent civilians why would we? It's not like we're assisting the U.S. in the M.E. or anything catch my drift.As a matter of fact the last I heard about the Argentine military was an article I read just last year I believe that the Argentine military raided an underground sweatshop ran by Koreans that had Bolivian slaves somewhere in B.A. and freed them all,makes me proud:)Oh and why are there so many Argie trolls?Well this is SA news isn't it? And there are also lots of Brit's calling us Argie's nasty names because of what our gvm't does...well you guys obviously are'nt being paid cuz last time I checked everytime I see a British diplomat speak they seem very nice,classy and noble.and as far as us being paid newsflash but theres TROLLS EVERYWHERE do you think those little 12yr olds that post on Yahoo that give their opinion on politics get paid too?
I can't get over how British that woman looks. She has the perfect face for the dictionary entry under “brisish”. Her features are classic Brit.
Oct 01st, 2012 - 01:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0@160 Is this one of those times where we're supposed to be stunned by your awe-inspiring intellect, Tobi? ;) Hmm categorising people according to appearance... Perhaps you've got some Nazi genes lurking around in there after all.
Oct 01st, 2012 - 03:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0Better a British Colony than an Argentine Colony !
Oct 01st, 2012 - 03:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0Crap_Talking_Troll - I'd be worried if she looked Latin. A classic Brit in a classic British territory - sounds reasonable enough :-)
162 Lorton, good to see that you finally recognize Malvinas as a British colony.
Oct 01st, 2012 - 04:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0I'd be worried if you looked like a Thai, you still looked like a long face Brit shooting arrows....a bit overweight though.
@161 Ninja
Oct 01st, 2012 - 04:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0I'd love to see how much “Sussie” looks like a classic Argentinian 'woman'...
Your English comprehension needs work MoreCrap.
Oct 01st, 2012 - 04:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0A colony they certainly were. Now, of course, they are Non-self-Govening Territory as defined by the United Nations, subject to the protection of the UN Charter and entitled to the right to determine their own future.
Which they've been doing for some time.
@161
Oct 01st, 2012 - 05:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0I'm just being completely honest. When I think of an elderly British lady, I think of a woman that looks like her.
I'm not the only one who finds patters in the faces of nationalities. I see it in tons of nationalities. It's hard to explain.
137 Guzz
Oct 01st, 2012 - 06:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0Tend to agree with you there.
@159 Patoruzu
Oct 01st, 2012 - 07:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0Again, you try to make light of Argentinian invasion of the Falklands.
Prior to the invasion of the Falklands in 1982, the political and economic situations in Argentina were similar circumstances to what we have today.
The economy of Argentina was facing massive inflation and the increasingly unpopular dictatorship needed a distraction, a nationalist cause, to take the population's minds off of their problems.
30 years later, Argentinians are getting squeezed financially with currency restrictions and 25% annual inflation. CFK is facing vocal grassroots protests by all sections of society.
She desperately needs a distraction, and what could be better than the Falklands, especially now that there is good evidence of oil resources.
As to poking fun at the Islanders“ fighting for their homes and freedom”, you do not deny that your purpose was to take those away from them.
“Fighting for their lives” - you seem to find that statement “funny” . I'm sure that when foreign soldiers marched them out of their houses and pointed guns at the women civilians and their children, they must have got some idea that they might die if the Argentinians felt they were a threat or were not complying.
I have already said that no civilians died last time, but they could have done, and witnesses have reported that it was overheard being discussed by officers of your army. Please see this link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&list=ULL8XmLLDwRlI&v=L8XmLLDwRlI
What happens this time if Argentina invades? Given the reputation of your armed forces, quaint story of the 'noble' Argie Military freeing Bolivians from evil Koreans by the way, had they withheld their taxes on their enterprise? - the stories that we've all heard about your armed forces pushing nuns out of helicopters and your government making 30,000 Argentinians “disappear”, the Falklanders may well have to fear for their lives.
The Islanders would be crazy to let down their guard !!
@158 TTT
Oct 01st, 2012 - 09:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0What's really kinda comic here is the way you apply 21 st century standards to European behaviour in the 18th century, but 18th century standards to Argentine behaviour in the 21st.
@157
Oct 01st, 2012 - 09:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hi Islander, To set the record straight I actually said it was my friends brother who got hit on the Coventry. I wouldn't want you to think I was some Walter Mitty. Regardless I understand that he was very lucky to have survived, and to see what his sister went through at the time was something we all remembered at school.
It’s such a pity that the British presence in the SA is not liked. Maybe it’s because they still see us as an imperialist state, maybe if they lived here in the UK they would see it is very different to the 1800’s. No doubt this will be contested by many Argentines but it’s the truth.
As I stated earlier, it would be good after the referendum that Argentina start talking to you guys about economic cohesion and move forward with good long term relations. This has to be the only way. Let’s face it nobody wants another war down there.
I hope it all turns out good for the lot of you guys.
It's such a pity
@170
Oct 01st, 2012 - 10:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0unfortunately Argentina has not got economic cohesion and long term relations among it's own South American neighbours .
didn't mean to suffix “It's such a pity” on the end, twas a cut n' paste error :-/
Oct 01st, 2012 - 10:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0Tonto- sorry I got the relationship wrong. It,s odd that S.A. feels such about the U prescence but nobody bats an eyelid over what was French Guiana up in the n.e. and is now officially part of mainland european France! Both have effectively “de-colonized” but one is very much not accepted.
Oct 01st, 2012 - 11:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0Sadly we do not expect the Arg Govt to accept the referendum even with Int Observers supervising it etc - but it may make it a bit easier for some nations to point out to Arg that we do actually have some rights as a legitimate people.
Comments like some are saying about the Argentines bieng a nice people need to be reminded that while some are probably very nice people the ones we Islanders have to watch is their corrupt Millitary leaders who in 1982 if they had their way would have exterminated the entire Islands population. That fact has been recorded by various individuals.
Oct 01st, 2012 - 12:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There is very little chance even as an independant state we would be left in peace. If Argentines 200 years ago were prepared to wipe out entire peoples to get land they are still capeable of doing it today.
We see to often in the world a people is still bieng removed by ethnic cleansing. Yet 10, 20 , or 30 years later it is almost forgotton. That I fear would be the case on the Falklands should such an atrocity occur. That is likely what the Madmen of Argentina is working towards.
The old saying 25 years of marriage is a lifetime of someone serving a murder charge.
Convince me and fellow Islanders that no one in a million years would believe it to be any differant today.
Better we continue to argue year in year out then give in and possibly be exterminated.
@174 kelperabout,
Oct 01st, 2012 - 12:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0l agree with you 100%
They are NOT nice people
And they would exterminate us if they could.
l will NEVER trust them
We will never get peace until Argentina is broken up into smaller countries.
Agreed,
Oct 01st, 2012 - 02:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Agreed Again ...
Isolde
Oct 01st, 2012 - 06:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If there any truth in what you are saying, you better start looking in Bolivia...
@168 TT Again I try to make light of the Falklands invasion?WOW and to think this all started with me using the word Falklanista refuring to the U.K. has no say in the FI exept the Falklanders themselves and not actually refuring to the 1982 invasion,your the one brought up the war not me.Hey great job with the hook line and sinker,unfortunately no bite since I'm not the bad guy you try to make myself out to be....Thx for updating me with the current situation in Argentina though (infaltion,nut bag Pres.) Falklands oil? You do know Argentina is sitting on the 3rd largestest oil deposit in the world don't you?Her bitching about the oil is just a distraction like you say you are correct....As to poking fun at the Islanders“ fighting for their homes and freedom”, really?Why would I poke fun at ppl I 100% support?Your the paranoid one that's saying they are fighting for their freedom not me,I said the last time I checked they were living in peace and prosperity remember?If you were refuring to 1982 then can plz remind me when I said the 1982 invasion was funny?It was pretty fkn far from funny...Thx for the video by the way it was very sad to see what those poor souls went threw may God bless them and the civilian casualties as well as far as wipeing them all out I highly doubt because they would have done so...and by the way there were casualties 3 as a matter fact/Doreen Bonner/Mary Goodwin/Susan Whitley(God bless and may they rest in peace)...As far as the 30k nuns that was a long time ago,do they still make ppl walk the plank in the U.K.?Look up the White Helmet's founded by Argentina and all the humanitary aid they given.
Oct 01st, 2012 - 06:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina’s press under fire
Oct 01st, 2012 - 07:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/argentinas-press-under-fire/2012/09/30/5f82efa4-09c4-11e2-a10c-fa5a255a9258_story.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/argentinas-press-under-fire/2012/09/30/5f82efa4-09c4-11e2-a10c-fa5a255a9258_story.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/argentinas-press-under-fire/2012/09/30/5f82efa4-09c4-11e2-a10c-fa5a255a9258_story.html
“If Argentines 200 years ago were prepared to wipe out entire peoples to get land they are still capeable of doing it today.”
Oct 01st, 2012 - 07:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0SO HANS NIESUND... WHERE ARE YOU?????
WHERE? WHERE, HUH?
Are you going to say the Falklanders are wrong in how they view Argentina, judging things that happened 200 years ago to today? Well, that is exactly what you have always derided about me, treating Europe like the scum society is it (and by extention the Falklanders, which are a direct result of colonialism and Empire building).
So if you judge Argentina for what happened a century ago, why do you argue we Argentines can't judge Europans for the same (and worse?)
@180
Oct 01st, 2012 - 08:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Straw man again. There is no need to go back 200 years to find reasons to be wary of Argentina. And while there are good reasons to be wary of practically every actor on the world stage, you need to be especially wary of those who are repeatedly and avowedly pursuing an aggressive expansionist agenda straight out of the 18th century.
@ 160....so much for your judgement on nationalities but she has Norwegian and Swedish ancestors
Oct 01st, 2012 - 08:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ Guzz
Oct 01st, 2012 - 09:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Since when has the Uruguayan flag, YOUR flag allegedly, been spit on by any nation other than Argentina?
They seem to crap on it regularly as far as I can see.
But of course your bosom buddies actual BURN the Union Jack outside the British Embassy with the complete disregard of the police. I never heard you complain about that.
You only complain that ‘when they spit on your flag daily’. To use your lying buddy ‘I don’t Think’ aka The Turnip In Chief’s favourite questions: When? Where? And one of my own – why should YOU care, you are Uruguayan are you not???
“you need to be especially wary of those who are repeatedly and avowedly pursuing an aggressive expansionist agenda straight out of the 18th century.”
Oct 01st, 2012 - 09:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Most certainly.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1246312/Chilcot-inquiry-Iraq-war-The-damning-verdict-Whitehall-lawyers-invading-Iraq-ministers-refused-accept.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1246312/Chilcot-inquiry-Iraq-war-The-damning-verdict-Whitehall-lawyers-invading-Iraq-ministers-refused-accept.html
@184
Oct 01st, 2012 - 09:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Personally, I'd be quite happy to see Tony in the dock over Iraq.
But unfortunately for your analogy, there are no Kurd- gassing war-mongering Saddam style dictators in either the Falkland Islands or Antactica..
Problem is he hasn't, but it woudn't really matter, the deed was done.
Oct 01st, 2012 - 10:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So why do people here say I'm just trolling when I say the UK has lost tons of international reputation of that little adventure? Your own reports say that, and the fact that in every forum I've participated British posters have been confronted with the Iraq question proves how damaging that was for your country's standing.
It is not what Britain might or might not have done in modern times or indeed past times that is of importance here .no matter what Argentina accuses Britain off the hard fact remains that Britain came to our rescue in 1982 because not only was it a British Territory Argentina invaded but because the Argentines tried to take away the right of a free democratic society namely Falkland Islanders. That act was unjust and Every Argentine knows it was ,except for the fact the vast majority are never going to admit it because their own lives would be in danger. This proves over and over that Argentine Politicians can never be trusted to be reasonable to anyone . Falkland islanders because at the end of the day that is what we are have never caused any hardship towards Argentina. It is a twisted Argentine society that has been brainwashed that we Falkland Islanders are an implanted people. You are so bloody wrong. We are in fact direct decendants of many nationalities including Latin America. These same people who ventured here 2oo years ago would have done so with or without British Ownership because just like the Argentines who went looking for new land so did the forefathers of the Falkland People. The one big differance though is our people never murdered any indigenous people to get their land.Argentina on the other hand....there I rest my case
Oct 01st, 2012 - 10:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@Isolde (No 175), who said...
Oct 01st, 2012 - 10:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“We will never get peace until Argentina is broken up into smaller countries.”
Now thats an idea most Argentines SHOULD support, given the bad dictatorial governments they have endured. Most Argies, who haven't travelled anywhere outside their own or neighboring countries, suffer under the delusion that they are a 1st world country. On another blog an irate Argie boasted that their wine and women and meat (not sure what part he meant - lol..!) were the best in the world..! The time when Argentina could have possibly claimed that ended with Peron when Evita (surely Cristina's role model) threw money out of her car to buy the votes of the poor.
Someone else quipped that Argentina would be fortunate if it were taken over by the Falklands (and not vice-versa) and learn to drive on the left. Peron changed the “British” rule of the road in 1945 (Uruguay then had to follow suit) to the American one in order to display his “revolutionary” credentials..! What an almighty plonker..!! Even after they bankrupted the country they still consider Peron (and Evita) to be heroes - shades of Mugabe perhaps?
@187
Oct 01st, 2012 - 11:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No you killed a defenseless animal that had no weapons to defend itself. Just as guilty, you killed life (exterminated it), to make your ground there. No moral high ground for you sir.
would you give CFK ,
Oct 01st, 2012 - 11:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0YOUR last rolo,
fuuurk oooffyy....
174 kelperabout “possibly be exterminated”
Oct 02nd, 2012 - 03:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0Don't scare the new arrival Isolde.
”-In there they kept us, the bastards“, Allie spits defiantly. We are standing outside a tin roofed timber building that has a bell tower on it which might allow it to be used as a church in case somebody wanted to pray for redemption, but was considered so unlikely it was turned into a bar and social club for the majority who were pretty much certain they were in Hell anyway.
-How long were you in there Allie? I ask.
-Over two months, he replies.
-Terrible...terrible, I sympathise.
-Oh, it wasn't so bad, he sniffs.
-How do you mean?
-Food was good - all Argy stuff and they gave us plenty of Beer and fags.
-Oh, right, I answer then ask. ”But they wouldn't let you out would they and you couldn't get washed or
use proper toilets and things“?
-Who told you that?
-It was in the newspapers.
-Load of bollocks, he sneers. ”They kept us in there at night because of the bloody English sending planes over to bomb the airfield but in the daytime we went back to our houses”.
-I thought your homes had been taken over by the Argentinians?
Some of them had. I had a couple of officers in my house but I liked them. Real polite they were and they gave me all sorts of stuff……………….,”
'bloody ****English**** sending planes over...'
Oct 02nd, 2012 - 08:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0Marcos you are a silly little parrot.....
@191
Oct 02nd, 2012 - 08:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0Marcos is quoting “Stiffy Morgan's gap year”.
http://jottify.com/works/stiffy-morgans-gap-year-2/
A “satirical short story” from an amateur writers site.
Really scraping the barrel there, Marcos. Much like Argentina does with its claims.
@186 TTT
Of course Iraq is damaging. So is Diego Garcia. It doesn't follow from either that Argentiina is entitled to seize the Falklands or Antarctica.
@191 MarcosA,
Oct 02nd, 2012 - 10:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0kelperabout is not frightening me, Marcos. He/she is being realistic & l thoroughly agree with him/her(?).
You lot do not frighten me either. You all bleed like anyone else.
btw-the story that you're quoting from, l've read.
lts taking the p***.
l suppose you think that its real? Do you not?
@189 TTT,
Of course.
You Argentines NEVER killed any wildlife, did you?
No, l suppose not. You just murdered human beings.
First the Natives(the rightful owners of your land)
Second, your own people. 30,000 is the figure being quoted.
Well there wasn't a Thirdly, but it would have been the Falklanders, if you'd won.
Despicable people.
Oh-so-holier-than-thou.
#158
Oct 02nd, 2012 - 10:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0Whether you like it or not, your “country” is made up of Europeans who either arrived centuries ago or within the last decades.
Just because you call yourselves “Argentinians” makes no difference to your genetic background. So, in effect you are saying, I hate my ancestors.
My antecedents, the really good people came here to take the land by force and subjugate the indigenous peoples while the vile scum stayed in their own land, Europe, and got on with their own lives. All the evils of the world should be laid at their door. No other peoples, apart from them, ever tried to invade territories and settle to the detriment of the indigenous populations.
A somewhat narrow and biased view of the world's history.
@158 TTT
Oct 02nd, 2012 - 12:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0South america hates europe you say. So you hate your founding fathers who got you this fine slice of the world. You hate the spanish and the portuguese settlers and explorers and conquistadors. Dear oh dear, you hate your very being, you hate your roots and from whence you came. Honestly TTT you just cannot point the finger at european countries whilst believing your own country is whiter than white. Perhaps this is why you hate hate hate.
give patagonia back to the british, or offer them indipencence,
Oct 02nd, 2012 - 06:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0they want nothing to do with you.
dictators..
@178 Pastoruzu
Oct 03rd, 2012 - 12:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0The only message I see you putting across is denial and ridicule.
“Your the paranoid one that's saying they are fighting for their freedom not me,I said the last time I checked they were living in peace and prosperity remember?”
If you want to try to intimidate me and call me foolish for expecting another invasion, so be it.
You invaded once already and your condescending attitude and tone of your posts, say it all.
The brits would be crazy to let their guard down with Argentinians like you out there.
Your revered “Falklands hero” Carlos Busser, was still running the military until 2009 - how much of that culture is still there? Not so long ago, is it?
If you insist in trying to belittle and obscure the meaning of my comments, then I suppose I need to spell them out for you.
Not YOU, actually, I know you know the truth, and the events, and the issues, very well.
I'll clarify for you:
The Argentine military, under the junta, ( a key, Senior Officer, was Carlos Busser) made 30,000 inconvenient Argentinians disappear.
In separate actions, they threw nuns out of helicopters.
Good thing your 'noble' military cancelled that out by policing those criminal “Koreans and Bolivians” - is that the best you can do?
”.Thx for updating me with the current situation in Argentina though (infaltion,nut bag Pres.)“
Ooo, was that sarcasm? Ouch!! Well you deliberately muddled things to try mocking my point - I guess I had to explain, then.
You seem very insulted when I talk down to you like a naughty, but simple, child - do you have an Inferiority Complex like Dany, TTT, or that other nutcase, ”Sussie“? Do people talk this way to you a lot? I can see why.
”As to poking fun at the Islanders“ fighting for their homes and freedom”, really?Why would I poke fun at ppl I 100% support?“
In short, you want to deride their fears and put them off-guard. I am sure you would ”100% support” an independent unarmed Falklands - easy pickin's for a hostile neighbour.
Argentina should now be broken up into regions,
Oct 03rd, 2012 - 09:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0and each region given indipendence,
thus creating another 6 or 7 new countries,
that we may get peace.
@199
Oct 03rd, 2012 - 12:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Great idea Briton: they'd be at each others throat within the week!
Chris: You read El Pais this morning? Seems La K threw a major tantrum when her pet company was not awarded the $500 m contract to build a new power station in Uruguay
Oct 03rd, 2012 - 01:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hola Pastoruzu....!
Oct 03rd, 2012 - 02:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm interested in your comment that most Argentines are not obsessed with the Falklands/Malvinas. Here in Misiones (my g/f lives here, and she being of Japanese descent also thinks the Argie claim is a bit silly when so much of the country is under-utilised) every small town seems to have a “Malvinas son Argentinas” (MSA) monument, typically poorly maintained as is so much of the country. In Puerto Iguassu at the “Tres Frontieras” tourist spot, the most prominent thing is another “MSA”, also in a bad state. Posadas, the provincial capital, has not one but TWO big MSA's. The first one, on a roundabout at the edge of the city, is derelict from neglect - instead of repairing it they built a fancy new one on the Costanera (riverside promenade), this one being ostensibly a monument to the Belgrano sailors. My question is, as these things obviously cost a lot of money to build (although not to maintain since there is none..!) who authorises them and why dont the people complain about this waste of public funds? Are they scared of being “un-patriotic” or do they really believe the nonsense of it all?
Shackleton Yes I would agree though I dont live in RA. I recently visited the grave of the Irishman , almirante William Brown, one of Argentinas national heroes, at Foxford, county Mayo and supposedly maintained by the Argentine govt. What a mess! Its state says a lot about the prestige of what should be a proud nation
Oct 03rd, 2012 - 03:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@202
Oct 03rd, 2012 - 05:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hearing different Troll messages now,
TTT always hates the Brit Colonialists, and ardent supporter of CFK, but
has always stated too, that he thinks the “Islanders should be left alone”.
PH, the amateur, says not interested in Iskands
Sussie suggested in one of his rants that Brits can keep the islands
I think even Dany said something...
I know, Argentinian, Patonuzu, appeared from somewhere ridiculing fears of invasion, telling the islanders to relax - everything will be fine after the Referendum.
He did point out that they had killed 3 Falklands civilians, but never would have cleansed the Islands of all the inhabitants. Poking guns at children was not serious either.
Argentine military were now noble humanitarians.
I wouldn't expect that Kelperabout or Isolde are letting their guard down.
Troy Tempest: After reading my previous post it appeared that I came out as the aggressor,I tend to get that way when I bicker back in forth with ppl so I want to apologize for that,I also want to apologize for calling you paranoid it was stupid of me and I take it back.I did'nt mean to intimidate you and I don't think you are foolish,when you asked me if I can garantee if Argentina would attack I said that I highly doubt it and I strongly believe the Falklands has nothing to worry about...I sure would'nt,and also I never said that the FI should drop their guard either I believe every nation in the world should be prepared to defend themselves against any potential threat.....As far as Calos Busser I hope he is rotting in hell with the worst of them and hopefully that culture died along with him in 2009.As far as the military freeing the Bolivian salves for the Koreans that's just somthing I mentioned that made me feel good that the military finally did something good for a change and hopfully it continues...and not that I was trying but the best I could do would be the White Helmets and all the humanitarian aid they've given.Did I feel insulted by you?No,after reviewing again the only time I felt you talked down to me was at your post @198 your other posts seemed that you only wanted to get your point across but instead I acted like a d!ck so sorry...Do people talk this way to you a lot? I can see why...actually no,not at all,I rarely argue with ppl...He did point out that they had killed 3 Falklands civilians..actually I don't know how they died and I never said poking guns on children was'nt serious either,I'm sure some children in the ME would agree ,the ones who weren't already killed by bomber's and drone strikes along with their mothers,fathers, sisters and brothers...In short, you want to deride their fears and put them off-guard...Wrong!! I love God,believe in humanity,and want world peace.CFK does'nt want either.
Oct 03rd, 2012 - 07:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I thought that it was a shell from a RN ship that landed short and hit a house in Stanley that killed the three people. Warfare is not an exact science and innocents suffer.
Oct 04th, 2012 - 09:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0As to Patoruzu , it took a generosity of spirit to write what he did above.
If we are all honest with ourselves, there are some posts we have made in the heat of the moment, that on reflection, we should have left unsaid, or moderated.
It would be nice if we could raise the debates out of level of the school playground.
@205 Patonuzu
Oct 04th, 2012 - 08:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sorry to take so long to reply. I only have access to my Smartphone working 'out in the field' and it is a clumsy instrument for using the forum. I wanted to use my desktop, but I have access, currently.
Thank you for your post and your apologies. It took a lot for you to do that, in the context of this forum.
I too, regret that things were said that were antagonistic and volatile. However, many of the posts on here are designed to do that, as a tactic to deflect arguments or reasoning.
If I appeared aggressive towards you unnecessarily, I apologise to you also.
If you believe what you say, and argue with intellectual honesty, I respect that.
I think a key point was being missed, though:
The stakes were much higher for the Falklanders than Argentina;
survival and freedom for the Islanders vs political gain for CFK.
The dominant theme coming from pro-Argentine users on this forum, has been to portray the Falklanders as irrelevant or criminals not worthy of consideration.
“Malvinistas” is a derogatory term. I would not like to see “Falklanista” used the same way.
I can understand you were just being flippant, but I felt it had to be addressed as there are many other readers interpreting what is written here. That was why I was at pains to explain my points fully, and frustrated when they were mocked.
If people like me appear “touchy” or suspicious about your comments, please understand that some users are actively posting disinformation.
I hope we can go forward from here.
While I think FI should maintain it's vigilance,
I would be most interested to your answer to Ernest Shackleton @202, about the true feelings of the people of Argentina.
Perhaps a few minor details of your background, not to identify you, but for perspective, would help us understand better, your points of view.
Will read with interest.
@Clyde15 Thank you for your kind words,I appriciate it....@Troy Tempest:Thank you for being understanding,I am of Spanish,Italian, and Portuguese decent I spent half my life in the U.S. and the other half in Argentina. I stongly agree with you about the FI citizens having their livelihood's hanging in the balance campared to political gain for CFK,I also strongly believe that the FI's is a Godly nation, good always triumph's over bad,and the brave men who sacraficed their live's did'nt allow the FI's to fall in '82 just so they can fall now...politcally or by force...TT,you seem like a person with alot of integrity,I look foward to reading more of your post's in the future....and I swear I will never say “Falklanista” again. @ernest shackleton....! Well I'm fully aware that there are “MSA” sign's in many location's though it does'nt convince me that the ppl of Argentina are obssessed with them.Have you ever heard of the saying “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it?“CFK and Co. is doing exactly this,to keep as many Argentine's on the ”MSA“ bandwagon as possible along everything else she spit's out,so yes the ”MSA“ is a ploy by CFK and Co. for political gain like TT said ....why don't the people complain about this waste of public funds? Last time I checked there were over 100k ppl if not more all over Argentina not only not only protesting waste of public funds but increasing crime,curruption,salary cuts,dollar clamps infaltion etc.I'm sure that there were alot of Malvinista's out there too and I can asure you it was'nt over ”MSA“... They may be brainwashed but deep down they know that winning the Falkland's still will not make Argentina's sh!!ty situation any better...if there are ppl protesting the ”MSA” let's say in front of a British embassy they are probrably war vets or poor uneducated inconsiderate ppl that don't want accept the right to self determination.
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