MLA Summers tells Tanzania Falklands don’t want to be colonized by Argentina
A Falkland Islands lawmaker was scheduled to meet on Tuesday with Tanzania top officials to explain the Islands support for post-colonial status and the coming referendum next year to determine its political future, faced with the insistent sovereignty claims from Argentina.
Member of the Falklands elected Legislative Assembly Mike Summers had an appointment with Tanzanian Minister for Foreign Affairs and International Cooperation, Mr Bernard Membe, in Dar es Salaam to discuss the issue.
MLA Summers is expected to convey to Mr Membe a message from about 3,000 residents of the Islands, including the eight MLAs from the two constituencies in which the UK Overseas Territory is divided.
“Falkland Islanders are comfortable with the post-colonial relationship with the UK and did not wish to be re-colonized by Argentina”, explained MLA Summers who did a round of the local newspapers in Dar es Salaam: 'Daily News', 'Sunday News', 'HabariLeo', 'HabariLEO Jumapili' and 'SpotiLEO', belonging to the Tanzania Standard (Newspapers) Ltd.
MLA Summers was accompanied to the newspapers' offices by the Deputy British High Commissioner to Tanzania, Mr Julian Chandler.
The Falklands’ lawmaker said he was seeking Tanzania's support as a member of the UN Committee on Decolonization (C 24), and that “it would be wise for it and other countries that are part of the process to look at the wishes of the people of the area rather than interests of the colonial powers”.
He added that the post-colonial position under Britain is also confirmed in the Islands' constitution of 2009. He said a number of countries supported the wishes of the Islanders but there were a number, particularly the Latin America nations, that backed Argentina.
To further show the Falklands right to self determination, a referendum will be held next March which is expected to send a clear strong message to the world that the Islanders are very happy with their current post colonial political situation.
Argentina and Britain went into war in 1982 over the Falklands following the invasion of the Islands by Argentine forces, which were finally expelled by a UK Task Force on 14 June or Liberation Day, the most important event of the local calendar.
Argentina has included in its 1994 constitution a clause claiming the Falklands/Malvinas as Argentine territory.
The Falklands, comprising two large islands and 778 smaller islands, are self- governing except in the areas of defense and foreign affairs. Its economy is particularly strong, based on fishing, tourism, agriculture and a budding but promising oil industry. Its per capita income is equal to that of the US.
Since 1833, British administration has been uninterrupted, except for the Argentina invasion of 1982. (Tanzania - Daily News)
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Is it possible to be so cheeky? “it would be wise for it and other countries that are part of the process to look at the wishes of the people of the area rather than interests of the colonial powers”. Although you may not believe, reader says an Englishman!. Colonial powers: read Argentina. That guy Summers, was not born there in the North Sea (Europe)? remember: Central América, North América, South Africa, Africa, India, Malvinas, etc. etc. etc. I do not think these men are so stupid Tanzania, Englishmen!
Mike was born in Stanley, Falkland Islands. So no, he was not born 'in the North Sea', whatever that means.
And yes, Argentina would like to colonise the Falklands. You won't get the chance though.
Well, at least one (and the Cheek) were born here in Argentina.
Argentina does not want to colonize Malvinas usurp the effect (like Britain), but recover the usurped by that country. For us it is part of a province, not a colony, as it were: I'm in London and I have my “viceroy” in Mumbai ....
haha, good one!
247 years.
:-)
Intentionally or otherwise, these people have become little typing parrots for their leader, it's kind of interesting to watch brainwashing on that scale fully at play.
Good post. Just one correction. The Falklands have NEVER belonged to any South American country.
Only Britain and Spain. Spain dropped its Sovereignty claim 20 years before recognising Argentina as an independent country. But neither the conferderate of colonies, or the united provinces, or whatever other name they were all using at the time, ever had a valid claim on the islands.
Who cares what you think or want?
This is OUR land NOT yours, so mind your own business.
erm.. no they didnt.
“
Only Britain and Spain. Spain dropped its Sovereignty claim 20 years before recognising Argentina as an independent country. But neither the conferderate of colonies, or the united provinces, or whatever other name they were all using at the time, ever had a valid claim on the islands”
Correct.
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Looks like the CFK supporters REALLY do not like the FI government pointing out that what Argentina is attempting is colonisation... clearly “they dont like it up 'em!” ¬_¬
that the falklands are under the jack,
and YOU want to be british , under jack,
well ya cant,
ya got crissy. yuk yuk..
its just one more piece of evidence that shows some of these Argentine-Government “supporters” are just paid lackeys.
(Please note my distinction between Argentine Government and Argentinians.... I wont blame the Argentine people for the gross aggressiveness and colonisation attempts of their dictator's never-ending search for more personal wealth & power)
“recover the usurped by that country.”
I was not aware that Spain and Great Britain who both had not dropped their sovereignty claims during the 1820s/1830s had ceded sovereignty to the Buenos Aires Government (No Argentina till 1856)?
Therefore the Buenos Aires Government usurped Spain and Great Britain, by Vernet's claim in 1829 (the first claim by BAG) and the illegal BAG garrison in 1832 (that killed each other).
You cannot have been usurped by Great Britain in 1833 as Britain previously had a claim they had not dropped.
However you did usurp the native population of Southern Argentina, so you had better hand the land back, and go back to Spain hadn't you?
I don't care how you view the islands; if you want to pretend they are part of a province to make yourselves feel better, that is no concern of mine. If you want the Falklands, the only way you will get them is to colonise them and us by force. We don't want you and we would never accept you. Is that what you want?
@4 It is a good one. Not being British, you wouldn't understand!
@5 There has never been a confederation of Buenos Aires. Amongst other things, it would be a contradiction in terms. You can “confederate” a single entity. Moreover, section 35 of the argentine constitution makes no mention of such a body. Only “United Provinces of the River Plate”; “Argentine Republic”; “Argentine Confederation” are recognised.
There are two sides to every argument, and now the world can start listening to the more important and truthful side of the argument.
Hell Veitnam, Thailand, Indonesia and the Philipines etc. Are all on the same contentinental shelve as China along with south Japan. Does that make those nations part of China? No it doesn't! So the continental shelve aregument where you claim the Falklands apart of Tierra del Fuego province purely because they are on the same continential shelve is a load of crap and you hypocritic idiots know its as well. You just thing the rest of the world is dumb enough to actually believe you if you keep repeating it over and over again. When truth is, the rest of the world are laugh at your stupidity.
Antigua & Barbuda
Bolivia
Chile
China
Congo
Côte D'Ivoire
Cuba
Dominica
Ecuador
Ethiopia
Fiji
Grenada
India
Indonesia
Iran
Iraq
Mali
Nicaragua
Papua New Guinea
Russian Federation
Saint Kitts and Nevis
Saint Lucia
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines
Sierra Leone
Syrian Arab Republic
Timor-Leste
Tunisia
United Republic of Tanzania
Venezuela
...to take a moral stand for what is right and proper. The only major scumbag regime missing on the list is Little Kim!
Just a side note, the FI was never abandoned entirely. Sealing and whaling activities went on even though there was no permanent residents. This is what brought Vernet to the islands and what caused the confrontation with the USN.
The committee is pretty much out-of-date and only keeps itself going so that it can keep itself going: it keeps people in a “job”.
It also seems to ahve forgotten what it was established to do..but then that is true of the entire UN anyway.
The next change “in soveriegnity” for the Falklands will be independence anyway, at which point Argentina are completely and utterly fubar'd.
I suspect that is part of the Argentine Governments current panic over the oil revenue: that revenue will give the Falklands people the money to GO independent, a soveriegn nation in their own right.
And CFK and her Gov' are kakking their pants.
I'm sure the Registrar General would provide you with a copy of the electoral roll if you asked for one.
Oct 03rd, 2012 - 01:35 am
“For us it is part of a province, not a colony, as it were...”
Presumably the “Provincia de Tierra del Fuego, Antártida e Islas del Atlántico Sur”, which was declared the “Gobernación de la Tierra del Fuego” in 1884 which became the “Gobernación Marítima de Tierra del Fuego y Provincia de Patagonia” in 1943 then the Territorio Nacional de la Tierra del Fuego, Antártida e Islas del Atlántico Sur“ in 1957 and finally the ”Provincia de Tierra del Fuego, Antártida e Islas del Atlántico Sur“ in 1990.
So the institution which ruled ”our Malvinas“ was created 51 years AFTER the ”usurpation“ of the Islands, and the Province you are talking about was created 157 years after that ”usurpation”!!!!!
Don't you think you are being a little incoherent?????
Malvinas Argentinas.!!
Malvinas Argentinas.!“””
Can anybody translate this?
However what I want to mention is the fact that all those who are apposing the wishes of the Islands People in these comments are no doubt Implanted by CFK because as some have already said. Whatever CFK says usually gets a beating on the comments box.
Thankfully those who choose to follow her are not going to make a differance because reading the comments it seems there are at least four or five supporters for everyone of those implanted ones.
No doubt this site will be making comments for years to come because while that is happening we are deffinatly still British.
Instaed of bitching about our Country belonging to you why don't you Argies try making your own Country a better safer place to live by removing that excuse for a leader you have there.
Maybe a Falkland Islander should run for Argentine president because as you keep saying we are born on Argentine claimed territory so by that token we should be able to put a government in to Argentina. Then we would see some real changes.
@26 Some of what you're tippling please.
Can you please tell me how all the Spaniards (and all the other nationalities that followed) ended up in Argentina in the first place?
Yawn, You will never get them there is nothing you can do. Your country is so weak in every field.
To avoid a war, Spain allowed resettlement Egmont English since 1771 “which can not and should in no way affect the question of the prior right of sovereignty over the Malvinas Islands” in the declaration of that year. In 1774 he left England voluntarily Trinidad (Saunders).
AFTER 59 YEARS! taking advantage of the weakness of the new nation Argentina (independence recognized by England in 1823) back in 1833 and another to take over the entire archipelago. There was an Argentine governor already the fifth, flew the blue and white where never before been the english flag with Argentine settlers with absolute awareness of belonging to the rest of the Argentine continental territory.
Summarizing NEVER Malvinas Islands were British, Spanish YES and Argentinas YES. Argentina claimed from the same 1833 his return.”
What happened on January 3, 1833 was a blatant act of piracy.
from someone who is south American
Any thoughts.
Having said that, the very worst of them are the ones who then go on to slag and otherwise debase the country that takes them in as their own.
You say:
“Always amazes me how a nations most nationalistic supporters are the very same people who have got the hell out of it and settled elsewhere!
Having said that, the very worst of them are the ones who then go on to slag and otherwise debase the country that takes them in as their own.”
I say:
You mean like the six or seven British Argentineans and Uruguayan Argentineans that post in here and slag and otherwise debase the country that took them in as their own?
@36 So THAT's the argie story. Shall I pick the holes in it? ”(which on the other hand would not be accepted by Spain)“ Irrelevant. Spain didn't even know of the Islands. They hadn't got that far south. Britain claimed the Islands in 1765. BEFORE the Spanish got anywhere near. In 1766, the French SOLD their settlement to the Spanish. Try to understand that. No question of ”returning the islands to Spain in 1766 recognizing its sovereignty.”, they SOLD the SETTLEMENT. Nothing else. How do you equate Trinidad with the Falkland Islands? Maps of the era show ONE French/Spanish settlement and at least half-a-dozen British ones. Indicating that the British built settlements in the 74 years between 1690 and the arrival of the French. It's true that Spain wanted to avoid a war. Because it knew it would be beaten. But you forgot to note that the 1770 Spanish force was sent by the Spanish governor of the Spanish settlement. And the Spanish king repudiated his actions. Besides returning all British goods and chattels and paying compensation. British sovereignty not disturbed. Even when Britain evacuated its settlements in 1776, it did not relinquish sovereignty. So Britain had the Islands and Spain had a settlement. There has NEVER been a legal principle by which a rebelling colony can claim everything that might have belonged to the legal state against which they were rebelling. Not in the last two thousand years! 1831 the U.S. removes pirate settlement. 1833 Britain returns. 1850 Arana-Southern Treaty ending ALL disagreements. 1866 Speech of argie Vice President to his Congress noted ONLY ONE outstanding dispute between argieland and Britain. Compensation to be paid to English citizens by argieland! So many holes!
How many of the RG posters on here can demonstrate similar heritage ??
Did you miss all the posts from, for ex., Mr Tim ?
Or Mr. Bigron?
Or Mr.redpoll?
+ four or five others who's nicksI dont remember at the moment.
All of them identify themselves (correctly) as British-Something and slag and debase the country that took them in as their own.
EngineerAbroad? Argentina, make comparisons, yes, never heard him slag Argentina.
Some do some do not. My point is, there is a lot of hypocrisy here.
Who mentioned Turnip ChrisR?
Who mentioned Turnip EngineerAbroad?
I know perfectly what those Turnips are!
I am speaking of the Old British immigrants here.
I'm speaking about 4'th, 5'th, 6'th, even 7'th generation British Argentineans here.
Totally un-integrated and slagging the Argentinean people at every given opportunity.
Duly cheered and applauded by the British-British turnips in here, of course........
As a true example of “True British Superiority”.
Hypocrisy all right, mate!
Oh and by the way, some of those 4th, 5th 6th and even 7th generation Brassica Rapas fought well in 82.
This “Conqueror” is ineffable. “Spain did not even know of the islands,” he says.
The islands were sighted by Amerigo Vespucci in 1501-1502, and discovered the April 7, 1502. Were sighted by Ferdinand Magellan in 1520, Portuguese but the service of Spain. In 1536 Francisco de Camargo sighted the islands and called them “the Ducks” maps published in Spanish in 1522, 1529, 1536 and 1541.
In 1600, on January 24, the Dutchman Sebald de Werth, the sights and called Sebaldes or Sebald.
And the English?. They talk about John (other John!) Davis that “discovered” in 1592, but neither the British themselves recognize it by describing the huge inaccuracies and because very honest, just published it in 1622!! He says: “Spain had not come this far south”!!!!!!!!!!! Even sounds the Strait of Magellan.
The French did not sell the settlement, but the Spanish Crown Bouganville compensated for their expenses in Puerto Soledad after France recognized Spanish sovereignty. Besides buying and if there had been-is a way to obtain lawful sovereignty. Remember “Dr” conqueror Alaska.
Nobody compares Trinidad with Las Malvinas. By contrast, if misunderstood, England (thieves) is the only place in the islands where they had, illegally settled.
And last but not least, in the unlikely event that England would have had a right to the islands, prescription irretrievably lost to retire in 1774.
Your making this up as you go along. It’s not just British history also Spanish and French you are trying to re-write.
The French had to tell the Spanish where the Islands were, as they did not know.
Portuguese reported seeing Islands in that vicinity, but the sightings were never confirmed. The Spanish had no idea what was in the S Atlantic.
The British claim the first confirmed discovery of the islands in 1592, because they went back in 1593 and began mapping the islands.
The British then made the first recorded landing on the islands in 1690.
The French sold their settlement to the Spanish once they realized the British had a settlement nearby and would soon find and eject them.
Disputing the British/French/Spanish history of the Islands in the 1700s does not change the fact that Argentina did not exist, in any shape or form, until 1816 (or even if you take 1810).
By doing this, you admit the British had a claim to the Islands long before Argentina ever existed.
As for being the inheritor state of Spain, Argentina broke away from Spain by force of arms, you can no more claim to have inherited Spanish rights or title than you can claim to have inherited Madrid or Gibraltar.
If Argentina ever thought it had a claim, how do you explain the treaty of 1850.
Argentina’s claim today is a Peron invention of the 20th century. Not supported by the evidence, no basis in fact whatsoever.
Somehow I seem to have got onto your role as a Turnip.
Sorry to think this 'Think,' but I think I will resign, Think.
@50 reality check
You are quite correct with that statement.
I do and it is a lovely country with really helpful people.
Unlike our southern cousins, the Argentine ‘government’. Usual exceptions apply, they know who they are :o).
Even the “You nasty colonialist Britishers” backfired... because they weren't smart enough (the Argentinian government) to realise that the term Colonialism, applied far more to their attempts of today, than anything Britain had done for decades.
Even when they turn around and say “You havent lived there very long” the rest of the world looks at the entire Argentine nation (excluding the few thousands remaining indigenous) and go - Neither have you!“
They lose out one very single historical argument because, for a huge chunk of it, they didnt even exist, and their claims of having had a ”colony” on the Falklands just leads back to criminals, rapists and murderers... most of whom were delighted to be rescued...by the British..and then decided to stay and live on the island under British sovereignity!
I mean, if it wasnt true you couldnt make it up!
You are a very resourceful human.
Chuckle chuckle.
Why don't you tell us what the definition of 'resident' should be for this one- off occasion? Someone who's been here a year? A week? You could charter a plane especially. I don't think that's going to make a favourable impression of 'democratic legitimacy' anywhere else. I think some people might, heaven forbid, even be tempted to call it electoral fraud.
I also believe that all Falkland Island born children from the age of 11 years should be allowed to vote as well. Once they have reached that age they mostly understand what they want in life.
This would be a true representation of what is termed a Falkland Islander.
“1828 - United Provinces makes second attempt to usurp British sovereignty by appointing a businessman as governor”
This is actually not correct.
Luis Vernet received his authority during the “Revolutionary Government” of General Juan Galo de Lavalle, who usurped the governorship of Buenos Aires 1 December 1828 (through 26 June 1829). Lavalle murdered the appointed governor of Buenos Aires, Manuel Dorrego, on 13 December 1828. Thus Vernet did not receive his authority from the United provinces (which, by the way, were not united in 1828).
When the British government learned about the attempted usurpation, they immediately protested as documented in (Argentine) author Alfredo Becerra: “Protestas por Malvinas, 1833-1946” (Buenos Aires, Jun 1998) ISBN-13: 978-9879998922
8. Establece la comandancia de las islas. Decreto firmado por M. Rodríguez. 10 de junio de 1829 (dictatura Lavalle).
8.1. Designa comandante a Vernet. Diploma firmado por M. Rodríguez. 10 de junio de 1829 (dictatura Lavalle).
9. Protesta británica. De Parish a Guido. 19 de noviembre de 1829.
Some of our little giants think we have more privileges and rights than other Brits. I know we're very lucky people but that could be said about many people; it's all relative. People in the south of England are on average better off than people from the north. People from West Sussex are on average better than people from Gloucestershire. People from Horsham are on average better off than people from Crawley. Students who attend Collyers College are on average more likely to score better than Central Sussex College. People who are in the St Thomas' NHS Trust catchment area are more likely on average to receive better medical treatment than those in the catchment area for the Surrey and Sussex NHS Trust, etc.
I make no apologies folks. You'll just have to get used to it. Life wasn't meant to be easy and nobody said anything about being fair.
“Then French sailors Saint-Malo they named Maluines after Malvinas by Spain.”
You do know how to display ignorance that is mirrored by your president.
The French Malouines was named after St. Malo, the port from where the French settlers originated from, not from the hybrid word 'Malvinas'. The Spanish converted Maloiunes to Maluines. The word Malvinas was first used by Argentina in the late 1880s.
At least get your facts right.
You mirror the Argentine government who corrupt and distort every bit of history they find.
That is why I hope this case is taken to the ICJ, as when the proper examination of historical documents in context is undertaken by lawyers, Argentina's case will be blown out of the water.
I have steadily slagged off the MLA's for not pulling their finger out and replying to the Argentine government's comic book version of history, but praise where it is due, they are changing up agear, and as this gathers momentum, in two years time the Argentines will wish they had not awoken the hibernating creatures that have been the MLA's.
I hope there will be a further new Falkland Islands constitution after the 2013 referendum that will transfer the reponsibility from the UK to the FIG of foreign policy (ie the Falkland Islands representing themselves, as at the UN this year.
Another step towards future independence.
@61 I'm not interested in the minute-by-minute events, pettifogging details and irrelevant niceties. I note that you say “When the British government learned about the attempted usurpation”. So it was an attempted usurpation, wasn't it? You've just said so. It was the second one, wasn't it? If you want to be so exact, go write a speech, a treatise or a book.
do you want to present the case with errors similar to those of the Argentine side?
The fact that the Buenos Aires government was illegal and unconstitutional cancels Vernet's authorisation in any later context.
The fact that the United Provinces did not exist cancels any claim Argentina may make to the Falkland Islands based on Vernets venture.
Do you have a problem with being corrected when wrong?
You “conveniently forgot” to mention that:
People from the south and from the north of England, from West Sussex and from Gloucestershire, from Horsham and from Crawley, students from Collyers College and Central Sussex College, patients from the St Thomas and from the Surrey and Sussex NHS catchment area.............
All, all of them pay their very high taxes.......
All, all of them have the right to freely move and reside anywhere in the whole of the UK as they wish.
Except for the Malvinas..................
Where you don't pay any of those high taxes, whilst you enjoy FULL British Rights....................
Where you don't allow any “British rubble” to move or settle in, whilst you enjoy FULL British Residence Righs...............
You say at post post (62):
“I know we're very lucky people
I make no apologies folks. You'll just have to get used to it. Life wasn't meant to be easy and nobody said anything about being fair.”
I say:
You are indeed “very lucky people”......; don't strech your luck too far...
Who are you quoting when you say 'British rubble'?
I'm sure you've made a big deal in the past about the high proportion of Falkland Islanders who were born in the UK. And now you tell us that British people aren't allowed to settle here. Which is it?
Oh, and the Falkland Islands are not part of the UK.
The people in UK can certainly move freely and settle in any full member state of the EU- but nowwhere else that I know of.
Next thing you will be saying that Argentina does not recognise basid Human Rights and that the likes of me have no right to live in the country of my choice- the one of my birth- my heritage - and even less would you allow me th basic human right to elect and live under a Govt of my choice?
I am talking about Human Rights - something that Arg shouts about and promotes I thought? I am not talking about self-determination.
Would Argentina deny human rights to the descendants of those who were here before 3rd Jan 1833 and stayed on volunarily and accepted British Govt back then?
Whats the matter dear Think-baby? Didn't you catch any fishies on your holiday?
All you've got to remember, Think, is:-
1) that we're here & we're not moving &
2) You're there & you're not coming here.
Quite simple really.♥
No, I don't think they do. I lived in the UK for quite a while 15 years and more ago, but I don't vote in UK elections and I wouldn't expect to vote if you had a referendum about EU membership, or anything else.
If your permanent home is here, then you get a vote. If not, you don't. I can't see what your problem with that can possibly be.
If you want to argue for having more people on the electoral register, then that is a different issue. In a place where there is a disproportionately high number of migrant workers, it is also a complicated one, and there is no obvious answer. The review of immigration has been going on for 10 years, so I don't think should hod your breath for a solution any time soon.
You are stepping on some “sore toes” and “holy cows” here.
1) Nor the Kelpers nor their staunch British supporters can accept the fact that there are not 3,000 inhabitants on them Islands. Their own 2012 Census clearly states that they are ~2,500 of them Kelpers……, aging and diminishing rapidly, by their own democratic choice.
2) My own, very primitive and surely defective calculation is that that no more than some 1,200 souls will be entitled to vote on that famous Referendum in 2013……
3) That’s not a big figure when your aspiration is to show the whole World what a vibrant and lively “New Country and Nation” you are……
A New Country and Nation of ~1,200 aging British passports holders!
PS:
B(ull) & S(hiat) down 4.26% to 22.50p today….
Rochflopper down 3.62% to 159.75p today….
“First oil production in 2017, my left foot………….
The moment we finally get that nasty “Oil Business” out of the equation is the moment when reality will hit the Kelpers.
And hit them hard…………..
Chuckle chuckle©
P.S. How are Premier, Noble and Edison/EDF doing by the way?
You ask:
P.S. How are Premier, Noble and Edison/EDF doing by the way?
I say:
Why should I know?
I don't “do stock”, remember?
Besides..., you're my trusted stockbroker...., you should know! ;-)
OMG you know I actually agree with that!
How could you not agree with pure common sense?
Steady on chaps, a fellow can only take so much agree-ment...
@76
Sorry, (another word you don't often read here) I meant to say how is the prosecution going, not what's the share price.
To tell you the truth, (a concept you don't often see represented here) I have no idea.
It was rhetorical (like most of the questions asked here). We all know it isn't going anywhere.
Be quiet, Pom Woman!
According to my calculations, you are NOT included in the electoral roll ;-)
Neither do l expect to be, Squatter.
l wasn't born here.
And l will not be quiet.
YOU should be quiet from shame.
But dahling, l luuuuuuuve you anyways♥
nelson said,
if they get between us, we are furked
i know, we will get betweem them insted,
and as we all know, he won,
dont let them come between you...lol.
l “think” that its you.
They're all mad here bar me 'n thee.
And ah hae me doots abahrt thee.
Juppppp.......
Luckily, all seems to indicate that the Libertad (www.ara.mil.ar/FRLI_2012/HTML_MULTIMEDIA/images/12.jpg) will freely continue her journey next week…..
Certainly, the 69 Argentinean….
www.ara.mil.ar/FRLI_2012/HTML_VIAJE_INSTRUCCION/viajeInstruccionGuardiamarinas.html
15 Chilean….
www.ara.mil.ar/FRLI_2012/HTML_VIAJE_INSTRUCCION/viajeInstruccionGuChile.html
and 8 Uruguayan cadets on her decks….
www.ara.mil.ar/FRLI_2012/HTML_VIAJE_INSTRUCCION/viajeInstruccionGuUruguay.html
have learned who's friend and foe in the good year of 2012.....
Anyhow………………..
In the implausible scenario of not being freed; I expect captains Salonio and Allievi to:
1) Select a small volunteer “chore force” to remain on board.
2) Insure the safe return of the rest of her crew and guests to their respective Countries.
3) Scuttle her in the most effective way, exercising utmost care of not damaging or endangering Ghanian property or lives.
Oh go and have yourself a cup of coffee, you silly man.
Are you trying(but not succeeding)to blame the UK for Ghana's correct actions?
lf your country would pay its debts, Ghana wouldn't have to do anything.
l've heard it all.
Argentina welches on its debts & its Britain's fault.
ha ha ha ha, sob,
hoo hoo hoo hoo.!!
Malvinistas, they live in a parallel but much different universe.
The connection with the UK is more than evident, Cher Isolde......
Elliott Associates operates from the Cayman Islands BOT, a known British pirate heaven in the past, a known British tax haven at present……
The “request” against Argentina was bought in a Ghanian Court , an Ex- British “Protectorate” with a very “laissez-faire”,(for not calling it irresponsible) British style commercial legislation.
(LIBOR scandal anybody?)
Inform yourself….:
www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/may/17/greece-vulture-funds
Anyhow…..
I would suggest you follow your own advice and brew yourself a nice cup of coffe, dearest…
Try this Robusta blend , it will nicely fit a coffee loving Pirate Squatterette as you …
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Have a nice weekend….
“Argentina gives some clue of what may be in store for Greece in years to come. Since that country defaulted back in 2001, after years of unjust* debt burdens brought it to its knees, it was swamped with lawsuits from vulture funds that refused to accept Argentina's writedown.”
* Unjust? I sense this trendy young socialist has caught the eye of our very own elderly blue collar socialist in Chabut.
You are the one who should “lnform yourself”
1) The root cause of this entire action is because your precious Argentina refuses to pay its debts.
lf you didn't owe(&refuse to repay)anything, this entire scenario would not have happened.
l ALWAYS repaid my debts, what makes Argentina so special that it doesn't have to repay?
2) l very rarely read the Guardian, it is a red-ragging, scare-mongering, left-wing, tree hugging, warm & fuzzy feeling, lie-sheet.
The mere fact that you malvinistas get your “facts” from it, puts me off its ramblings anyway.
l don't mind being called a pirate(although l've never pirated!), it has a certain raffish air to it. And Johnny Depp is so sexy!
But l take issue with the “squatter” description, especially from one such as yourself who IS a squatter.
You are squatting on lndian land, dear Thinkus.
Land stolen from dead people. People that Argentines killed.
You have no moral highground, my good man.
The Argentinean debt bonds in question have been officially restructured, renegotiated and taken out of circulation…..
The bonds actually in the hands of the Vulture Funds are not legal tender anymore….
How can I put it so that your sweet, conservative, feminine mind understands it?
I know…….! Let’s speak gold……..! You luuuuuv gold….! Don't yah?.:
Today, one can buy old British 10 pounds, “Gold Standard”, banknotes for about £25 quid.
Each of those bills bears a handsigned guarantee by the British Banks / Government/ Crown to be redeemed in pure Gold bullion.
A smart Vulture Fund could, in principle, buy a billion old British 10 pounds, “gold standard”, banknotes, hire some smart lawyer and demand that the present UK government pays their nominal gold worth upfront.
Do you follow me until now?
10 Pounds were worth approximately 10 Gold Sovereigns.
10 Gold Sovereigns weight approximately 73 gram of 22 k gold.
73 gram of 22k gold are approximately 2,500 £ worth.
Such a trick would give the Vultures a profit of 10,000 %.....
Smart huhhhh?
But........., of course......., that can not be done because those old British 10 pounds, “gold standard”, banknotes have been officially restructured, renegotiated and taken out of circulation…..
Just like the Argentinean debt bonds........
Comprende now, My dear Isolde?
PS:
I have got verbal residence permit from the locals, Squatterette-Honey…
Got it at a Nguillatún some 50 years ago, Squatterette-Honey…
You weren’t even “think” off then, Squatterette-Honey…
Whilst the true British motivation for claiming the very same Islands is their deep love for Rockhopper Penguins and Black-browed Albatrosses....
* My deep respect for the original bearer of the name, prevents me from using it in connection with a scoffing turnip such as you.....
However you pretty your words, Think
Your country OWES money.
lf you can't repay, don't borrow in the first place.
A verbal residence permit? oh riiiiiiiight, so makes it alright then!
Did they have revolvers or SEMI-automatics at their heads when they gave you the OK to take their land?
Stop it Think, the hole you're in, its getting deeper.
l am someone's honey, dear Think, but not yours.
Wrong, dearest....
After a bankrupcy, one starts anew....
We still owe money and we are paying....
But NOT to the Vulture funds, comprende....?
Juppppp......, a verbal permit all right....., until recently, the Mapuches didn't have a written language...... They didn't need one..... Their word is much more worth than ours......
No revolvers dahling....we were all quite pissed and munching my sacrificial lambs....
You will always be my honey, honey......
Bad news I don't Think. I have had to demote you to the SECOND BIGGEST LIAR on MercoPress as RG-American has taken over the top spot. I knew you wouldn't mind being relegated to the second rank because you must be used to it by now being an AG.
BTW Vulture funds hold your bonds and whether you or your despicable government like it or not they are legal and redeemable at face value and to their terms.
If you bunch of petty crooks had paid up in the first place none of this would be taking place. Don’t you just love it when a plan falls into place?
Just wait and see what Singer does next.
Isn’t it exciting: for me that is, not you.
“Their word is much more worth than ours......”
That l COULD believe, my dear Think.
l should think that ANYONE'S word is worth much, much more than a malvinista.
So you got them all pissed, then got them to sign their land over to you...........?
l rest my case.
Just to clarify your pretty and confused feminine mind......
I firstly approached the local elders and got their tacit and spoken acquiescence for my presence , under a Ngillantún…..........
I, subsequently, bought “legally” some few but pretty square meters of Patagonian meadows and native forest from Don Anacleto Rosales, one of our good pioneers in Chubut…….......
Just enough space for the dogs, the horses , me shed and I..........
And, as it is the case with the dogs and the horses, I don’t consider the land to be my “property”… ........
I’m just privileged to be able to live amid them …
Clear enough for you, my “gold dazzled”, “property oriented”, “ sweet vixen wannabe”, “ British Squatterette”?
My mind is far from confused, is yours?
Who said l was “property oriented” or “gold dazzled”? & as for the rest of your twaddle, well its just...........twaddle.
You would need quite a bit of land to support horses.
lts really hard to take you seriously, Think, or believe anything that you say.
Anyway enjoy the rest of your sunday(you have been to church, haven't you?).
I just remember what you have told us about yourself……:
”47 lsolde Jul 03rd, 2011
”l love the way the early morning sunlight gleams on my gold bars!”
en.mercopress.com/2011/07/01/falkland-islands-rockhopper-exploration-plc-pr
Sounds pretty much ” Gold Dazzled” to me; squatterette honey……
Anyhow.....
Nice of you to “Think” about them horses....
Don't worry about them.... they are an harmonious pack with enough tender grass and space to run and roll.
What about your fat cats?
“... they are an harmonious pack with enough tender grass and space to run and roll.”
-great fantasy!! What about the unicorns??
Sweet love letters you are writing to Isolde!
And to think you kept all her letters...
Really, this is a bit too personal.
Sounds like you use the Internet to obsess and fantasize over women you can't have. Any other sites you visit?
”l love the way the early morning sunlight gleams on my gold bars!”
No gold bullion, Commander Isolde RN was just commenting on her uniform insignia. The sub pens are almost complete now, and the invasion force is readying itself.
“ British Squatterette”
You are not squatting if you own the property.
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