Monday, October 8th 2012 - 06:28 UTC

Ghana court to hold hearing on retained Argentina’s ARA Libertad on Tuesday

Next Tuesday the Ghana Supreme Court will be holding a hearing to consider a motion from the government of President Cristina Fernandez requesting the annulment of the injunction retaining Argentina’s navy training vessel ARA Libertad following a legal proceeding from a hedge fund holding Argentine defaulted sovereign bonds.

The training vessel remains at the port of Tema since last week

“The court scheduled a hearing on the matter for Tuesday October 9 before the commercial division of the high court where the first legal proceeding had started”, said Ace Ankomah, layer for the New York based NML hedge fund. He added that “if Argentina pays a bond, the boat is free to go”.

ARA Libertad, which is a 103-meter-long sailing ship, used as a training vessel for future naval officers had left Buenos Aires in June with the latest promotion of cadets, carrying a crew of 220, including 69 members of the Navy and 110 students, mostly Argentine but also from neighboring countries such as eight from Uruguay.

The Argentine Foreign ministry described NML as “unscrupulous financers”, a “vulture fund” which has been attacking Argentina for years and argued that the Ghana action “violates international law and the Vienna convention on diplomatic immunity; it can only be described as an extortion attempt”.

The authorities from the port of Tema where the sailing vessel is retained said they sere “simply complying with an order from the High Court”.

“The vessel has not been seized, but rather detained with its crew on board and they are following their daily routine. They’ve been treated very well by the locals” said an Argentine naval spokesman.

Ghana’s courts will now have to decide whether previous rulings in the US and the UK are sufficient to move ahead with NM case against Argentina. The case is but the latest attempt in a tenacious campaign by the debt holders to seize Argentine assets abroad.

NML which belongs to Elliott Capital and other holdout bondholders have been tracking Argentine assets, financial and physical, closely. Back in 2007, a group of bondholders discovered that the Tango 01, Argentina’s presidential airplane, would be in the US for scheduled maintenance and pilot training. They moved to get a court to keep the plane grounded after it landed and to seize fuel money the pilots were expected to bring in cash.

The government of the late Nestor Kirchner was warned of the move, though, and cancelled the trip. It then countersued in the US getting California judge William Alsup to declare the presidential Boeing 757/200 was immune from seizure.

In 2009, Argentina was preparing a stand at the world’s largest book trade convention, the Frankfurt Book Fair. Rumors that assets could be seized forced Argentine to register its stand under a private individual rather than the state, and a showcase of works of art requested by German curators was withheld given concerns they would be seized. A year later, a Tango 01 trip to Germany was cancelled just as Buenos Aires was warned it would be seized.

In 2010, Singer’s Elliott got New York Judge Griesa to ask Bank of America to disclose all information related to personal accounts of the Kirchner family and members of their administrations. Elliott has even gone after Argentina’s foreign exchange reserves, coming close to seizing 105 million dollars held at the Federal Reserve Bank of New York.

While most of their attempts to grab Argentine assets have failed in court, Elliott and other distressed debt investors have recorded some victories. Having bought the debt originally for pennies on the dollar, their strategy is to pursue aggressive means to recover a greater amount.

This year, Elliott subsidiary NML and EM (owned by former billionaire Kenneth Dart) got a judge to award them assets of Argentina’s Banco Hipotecario (Mortgage) worth approximately 23 million dollars.

Argentina has been cast out of international debt markets since its default in 2001-2002, after its economy imploded. However in 2003 the economy started to recover and Argentina restructured its debt, first in 2005, and then in 2010, with approximately 93% of bondholders accepting harsh new terms. But holdouts (hedge funds or ‘vulture funds’) are determined to recover their money plus interest.

Likewise Argentina still has pending debts the Club of Paris of rich nations estimated in over 6.5bn dollars.

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1 Britninja (#) Oct 08th, 2012 - 06:38 am Report abuse
They'll catch that Tango eventually!
2 toooldtodieyoung (#) Oct 08th, 2012 - 07:08 am Report abuse
He added that “if Argentina pays a bond, the boat is free to go”. LOL

I'm guessing that the boat won't be leaving anytime soon then.............
3 Welsh Wizard (#) Oct 08th, 2012 - 08:28 am Report abuse
In other news:

Chaco province in northern Argentina surprised the local capital markets this week when it made more than $263,000 dollar-denominated bond service payments in local pesos rather than in US currency. The government of Argentina has cracked down on access to dollars this year in a bid to halt capital flight as the local currency depreciates against the dollar.

The Chaco dollar-denominated bonds were issued in 2006 and come due in 2015 and 2023. But the debt payments could not be made in the designated currency because the province could not get its hands on dollars said market sources. This act leaves the door open to the possible forced pesification of other securities denominated in foreign currency.
4 Idlehands (#) Oct 08th, 2012 - 08:51 am Report abuse
An ideal situation would be if it went to auction and the islanders announced they were bidding for it to become a tourist attraction. CFK would feel compelled to outbid them in a raising frenzy.
5 Boovis (#) Oct 08th, 2012 - 08:52 am Report abuse
Why don't they just scuttle it and run?
6 Rufus (#) Oct 08th, 2012 - 09:34 am Report abuse
I'd imagine that Libertad (being wind powered) is about the only Argentine Navy ship that they can afford to run on a regular basis.
7 Boovis (#) Oct 08th, 2012 - 11:08 am Report abuse
I guess they just get CFK to talk into the sails.
8 Musky (#) Oct 08th, 2012 - 11:47 am Report abuse
The new owners should hoist the Jolly Roger and sail her off to Treasure (the Falklands)Island in the dead of night. Shiver me timbers!
9 briton (#) Oct 08th, 2012 - 12:07 pm Report abuse
Its Justa ship,

A very important ship and a humiliation for CFK.
But a ship all the same,
Apparently if the Argies don’t pay, they will auction the ship to the highest bidder.

And if the Falklands people bid and buy it,
It would be the biggest humiliation since the creation of argie land.

Go on, try it…
10 ChrisR (#) Oct 08th, 2012 - 12:39 pm Report abuse
Round 3 coming up tomorrow, let's hope there is a knock-out blow to the Flagship and they have to chuck the Argies off on their arses including the Uruguayo cadets. Another Pepe cosying-up act to TMBOA no doubt.
11 Musky (#) Oct 08th, 2012 - 12:55 pm Report abuse
Can't be the only Argentine asset outside of Argentina. How about Aerolíneas Argentinas? Grab'em when they land.
12 ElaineB (#) Oct 08th, 2012 - 12:58 pm Report abuse
I think if they are successful it will be just the beginning.
13 Zool (#) Oct 08th, 2012 - 01:02 pm Report abuse
I here the Falklands government is interested in buying her & renameing her “HMS Your home is at risk if you do not keep up repayments on a mortgage or other loan secured on it”
14 ElaineB (#) Oct 08th, 2012 - 01:04 pm Report abuse
@ 13 LOL!
15 v for victory (#) Oct 08th, 2012 - 01:45 pm Report abuse
@13 hehehe nice :)
16 GFace (#) Oct 08th, 2012 - 01:48 pm Report abuse
@11 Oh please, don't take it out on Skyteam! They have it bad enough with them ~adding~ Garuda to cover Oceania/South Pacific. But yes, it IS nationalized and if I were an International Repoman of Mystery and had no care of my already bad reputation and didn't mind being seen on the TV stranding some sad family on vacation or a dad wanting to get home to his family, it's what I would do since the planes are more fungible than a tall ship*. And indeed, DAL/KLM/AF/AeroMex could cover for AA and it would be a harsh lesson to the three alliances to chose wisely when they try to broaden coverage.

(*That said, the though the idea of it being auctioned and snagged by FI interests is brings new meaning to Schadenfreude (salty language warning).)
17 Conqueror (#) Oct 08th, 2012 - 03:20 pm Report abuse
I'm curious as to how the argie government reckons that the detention of the vessel “violates............ .the vienna convention on diplomatic immunity” Just to start with, there is no such convention. Although there is one on diplomatic relations. I've read it. There's no provision that prohibits a government's assets being detained, or seized. It's not a diplomatic mission. It's a boat! Perhaps CFK could use some of that US$100 million sitting in Switzerland.
18 Arifu Gobakuwi (#) Oct 08th, 2012 - 03:33 pm Report abuse
Good news. I hear Ghana is about to lose all trading with Mercosur + Chile, and Venezuela over this.

They have an important client in Brazil, import Argentine food, and use Venezuelan oil.

If they don't release the ship, they will eventually be starved, and in the dark.

You'll see swift resolution on this now.
19 Captain Poppy (#) Oct 08th, 2012 - 03:35 pm Report abuse
Aerolinas flies to Miami
20 ElaineB (#) Oct 08th, 2012 - 03:38 pm Report abuse
Off topic but about sureties, the people posting bail for Assange have lost their appeal and have to pay their money by early November, though it was reduced to 2/3 rds as the judge recognised they acted honourably (hinting that Assange had not). Also, the Ecuadorians have requested that Assange be allowed safe passage to Ecuador but the UK government stated that they have an absolute legal obligation to send him to Sweden as the extradition process and all appeals had been completed.
21 Condorito (#) Oct 08th, 2012 - 03:42 pm Report abuse
Curiously this hasn’t made news in Chile. Not in the evening news, not in the sunday Mercurio. To me that means there are no Chileans on board.
22 Idlehands (#) Oct 08th, 2012 - 03:45 pm Report abuse
Assange backers forced to pay the sureties, Abu Hamza in a US Supermax and the Argentine flagship confiscated by the mighty Ghanians. What a week.
23 Arifu Gobakuwi (#) Oct 08th, 2012 - 03:59 pm Report abuse

You forgot London Dave telling the gullibles “the economy is healing....” '.... we just have a longer and tougher road that's all“.

Baghdad Bob would be proud of London Dave.

”Record deficits, 2nd recession in four years, rising unemployment, but the economy is healing”.

Indeed what a week.
24 Captain Poppy (#) Oct 08th, 2012 - 04:20 pm Report abuse
Really tit amazing. Brail is south americans main import partner totalling 2.2% of Ghana's imports. argentina ranks 31 @ .06% of total imports and they rank relatively the same for exports. Yes titty, they will certainly starve for acting in good conscientous of international law.
And titty, your knowledge of free markets and economics is somewhere between the testicles you lack and the sphinter you are comprised of. Some call it the taint.......taint ass....taint your knowledge, no one knows just what is should be called.
25 GFace (#) Oct 08th, 2012 - 04:27 pm Report abuse
@19, well if we only knew the creditors as from the neck down wearing yellow neru jacket petting a persian cat maybe taking the planes as small compensation for the debt as they land would be a profitable option. But we've seen their faces and the negative publicity of them showing a small child crying that daddy is stuck in Miami (or their other FLA destination, Orlando!) and all she doesn't even have a lousy t-shirt would make such a venture prohibitive. ;-)
26 Conqueror (#) Oct 08th, 2012 - 05:28 pm Report abuse
@18 Presumably like the Falkland Islands are starved and in the dark - not?
@23 You don't get the picture, do you? To get your boat back you need to put up a bond for in excess of US$10 million. No problem with that, is there? CFK has ten times that in Switzerland. Then the boat can flee back across the South Atlantic and the case can go ahead. No doubt British and American lawyers will fly out to enforce the judgements already given in UK and US courts. The Ghanaian judicial system is largely based on British common law. Let's watch CFK try to wriggle her way out of this one. Incidentally, there may be a British warship close enough to assist the Ghanaian court and intercept anything trying to flee.
27 briton (#) Oct 08th, 2012 - 05:54 pm Report abuse
Its times like this, ya want CFK to show the flag, and send in the fleet,

Row row row you’re your boat.
Gently across the sea.
Row row row your boat, back to Argenteen.
We have rowing boats, 3 paddles a team,
We have rowing boats 3 from argenteen.lolol.

28 Captain Poppy (#) Oct 08th, 2012 - 06:05 pm Report abuse
#25 GFace

As rich as they are, would still take the jet but tyo show goodwill, I would charter a jet and send them back. Taking the jet would only be making a statement anyway.
29 Arifu Gobakuwi (#) Oct 08th, 2012 - 06:06 pm Report abuse

The only ones who believe they stand for international law are the US and the UK. No one else in the world believes that in the slightest, and acts accordingly to laugh in your faces for believing as much.

Who would want two of the most corrupt judicial systems on the planet anyway?
30 PirateLove (#) Oct 08th, 2012 - 06:52 pm Report abuse
the longer this goes on the more embarrassing for the argentine government, because this isnt a bilateral issue between Ghana and Argentina this is GLOBAL.
31 LEPRecon (#) Oct 08th, 2012 - 07:11 pm Report abuse
@29 - AG

Obviously Ghana believes in due process.

I believe that you are Tobias. Now let's assume that you are not Tobias, but an African, as your handle would suggest.

Tell me. Why are you defending a South American country against a fellow African country? Even more so when you look at Argentina's history of 'whitening' the population, and the fact that they (unlike European countries, fellow South and North American countries) didn't free their African slaves, they murdered them.

I find it very hard to believe that you are African from any nation.

In fact, from the way you write, your syntax, grammar and racist views you are Tobias.

Pretending to be someone else from 'Africa' doesn't make your arguement (or lack of one) any more valid. In fact, it makes you look desperate.

Ghana is following it's law, and has impounded this vessel in accordance with their law. Argentina will have their day in court to argue their case, but whether they win or lose, their government has embarrassed their country once more on the international stage.

The longer Argentina takes in paying off their debts, the longer it will take them to turn their country around. No investors in the world will lend Argentina money because they can't be trusted to pay it back.

Argentina has the potential to be one of the richest countries in the world, but they remain poor. This is all self-inflicted by sequential corrupt governments, who spend their time in office stealing what they can, instead of investing in the future of Argentina.

One day Argentina will have to wake up and face its international obligations. One day Argentina will have to accept responsibility for the financial mess it is in, instead of blaming everyone else for their problems.

I, however, will not bet on that happening soon.
32 toooldtodieyoung (#) Oct 08th, 2012 - 07:23 pm Report abuse
The Argentine Foreign ministry described NML as “unscrupulous financers”, a “vulture fund”


eeerrrrmmmmm pot,
33 Ayayay (#) Oct 08th, 2012 - 07:38 pm Report abuse

The Corruption Perception Index 2011

34 Arifu Gobakuwi (#) Oct 08th, 2012 - 07:51 pm Report abuse

Arifu Gobakuwi is my real name, and I am not Tobias. This name has a far longer history than you imagine. However, both me and Tobias are a very minor part of a much larger puzzle, one you can't even begin to fathom.

I do agree with you that there will be a day in court. You just have no idea what that means right now, and that it may involve all of you, personally.

Idlehands may provide you a clue, but be warned: he as well is almost completely unaware of what is really going on, even though he may believe he knows what is going on.

Those who participate in the mezzanine forums may have slightly more insight given what ocurred there last week, which was a slight blow in our goals. But only a minor setback.

Go to minute 4:35 on this video, and listen to what she says. That is my message to all of you, including Idlehands, Chris, Yankeeboy, and several others “we” have been monitoring. Remember, minute 4:35. Listen well...
35 yankeeboy (#) Oct 08th, 2012 - 08:22 pm Report abuse
Toby, You are getting more cuckoo everyday just like your Prez.

Do you think you will see 10/1 Peso or Patacones before Christmas or maybe both....
36 ElaineB (#) Oct 08th, 2012 - 08:22 pm Report abuse
@31 From another thread:

20 Arifu Gobakuwi (#)
Oct 08th, 2012 - 06:02 pm
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What the F.UK does your anguished views on Argentines have to do with this topic?

The topic is, U.K and its dire financial straits.

21 ElaineB (#)
Oct 08th, 2012 - 06:09 pm
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@ 20 TTT, I was responding to 16. He brought up Argentines. Try reading slowly before you post.

22 Arifu Gobakuwi (#)
Oct 08th, 2012 - 06:14 pm
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Not an excuse, you tell me to stay in topic even when others deviate from it, or are you living up to your British roots and being a hypocrite?

Stay in topic, and get ready for Austerity #3, 4, 5 and 6.

Like I told you months ago, you are just getting started with this. The funny thing is the more austerity you do the more austerity you need to do. And you said I was wrong.

He already admitted he was TTT. He is such a twit.
37 Arifu Gobakuwi (#) Oct 08th, 2012 - 08:29 pm Report abuse

We are just admitting to you tid-bits of what we want you to know. It does not affect our long-term strategy in the slightest.

We have only been here about 14 months, but given the rhetoric levels here that is the equivalent of years in other websites and forums, which we have been keeping under close observation. From engineering forums, to football, to UN forums, to aviation, to skyscrapers, to women's health, to rugby, to Q&A websites... we are EVERYWHERE, 24/7. For years, building our case.

And our case is coming to a head now. Which is why after all these months we decided to reveal ourselves a little. Our gathering period has lasted years overall, and we have pretty much all we need for our purposes.

Tobias had a much more important role in other forums, as did Arifu Gowakuwi, your humble servant. Think was our liason here, Sussie obviously more towards feminine forums. We also have double agents of course, that is probably no surprise to you. I would be pulling the floor under you if I could reveal who those people are.

You have no idea what's begun here.
38 ElaineB (#) Oct 08th, 2012 - 08:33 pm Report abuse
@37 LOL! you are a nutcase. You need some medication for your multiple personalities.

So insignificant.
39 Arifu Gobakuwi (#) Oct 08th, 2012 - 08:35 pm Report abuse

Take it easy, Andrea. You are for all intents and purposes not part of our plan.
40 ElaineB (#) Oct 08th, 2012 - 08:37 pm Report abuse
Andrea? LOL! Please tell me all about this 'case' you are building. Is it with lego?
41 yankeeboy (#) Oct 08th, 2012 - 08:38 pm Report abuse
Do you think any of us are worried? You can't even get a visa to come to the USA...
42 Arifu Gobakuwi (#) Oct 08th, 2012 - 08:40 pm Report abuse
Elaine it is not good to bluff when the opponent knows you are bluffing and you know the opponent has Vale Cuatro (or a Royal Flush).
43 ElaineB (#) Oct 08th, 2012 - 08:42 pm Report abuse
@41 But, but, I want to hear about this master plan being built from a basement in Mendoza.
44 yankeeboy (#) Oct 08th, 2012 - 08:42 pm Report abuse
Oh Toby crazy crazy Toby. Is your lithium caught in the Aduana?

..Ask CFK for some of hers..
45 Arifu Gobakuwi (#) Oct 08th, 2012 - 08:46 pm Report abuse

There are much bigger fish to fry than you, yankeeboy. This is not about individuals but whole enterprises. This has been years in the making, and some people that participate here KNOW IT. They are simply afraid to admit it, that they have encountered us before.

I can only repeat what I have said, none of you grasp the dimensions of what this will become. It is a good think that your comments do not make any of you personally liable, but they do quite happily provide a means for our ends.
46 yankeeboy (#) Oct 08th, 2012 - 08:49 pm Report abuse

Now you can remove the foil from the windows and your head.

BTW if it is a secret plan maybe you should bring it up in a public forum


47 surfer (#) Oct 08th, 2012 - 08:53 pm Report abuse
buddy, why not walk away from the keyboard now, it's embarrassing
48 ElaineB (#) Oct 08th, 2012 - 08:54 pm Report abuse
@45 Have you been watching re-runs of old Bond movies?

Clearly your life is pretty empty and frustrating, hence the need to weave such ridiculous fantasies. Don't waste your life. Get out. Travel. Get some perspective. Your need for attention is worrying. Sad even. Get some help.
49 surfer (#) Oct 08th, 2012 - 08:56 pm Report abuse
meant for 45.... that AG/TTT etc. bloke
50 Arifu Gobakuwi (#) Oct 08th, 2012 - 08:58 pm Report abuse

Our purpose is not to bring down MercoPress, just like our purpose is not to bring down the Mezzanine (right Tobers?), or (right Idlehands?). Once we have gathered enough evidence, we can “blow up” ourselves in whatever forum we had been covertly acting upon since the evidence has been saved in no less than three databases, pressed in print, and sent in several countries off-site to data-security vaults.

Once all that is done and the legal framing for what was gathered is complete, we can say whatever we want as long as we don't reveal the crux of our case, which I have not revealed nor Tobias, or anyone else will reveal or has revealed in the dozens of other forums we have been participationg over the lat 4 1/2 years.

It's been fun indulging you with this, but this will be my last briefing. Everything else will come out in time, just keep an eye on the legal websites. I admit this may not make major news channel's information blocks, but keep an eye for those that cover internet legal news. Not now, but around February or March 2013.

And then, enjoy the show.
51 yankeeboy (#) Oct 08th, 2012 - 08:59 pm Report abuse
For anyone who has ever been to Argentina... have you thoughs on their organizational skills and thoughtful planning abilities?

Toby, Maybe people would be scared if Rgs could get themselves out of bed before 10am everyday.

Or invented anything since the ball point pen....anything...

Rgs are not known for high achievements or innovation
52 Clyde15 (#) Oct 08th, 2012 - 09:05 pm Report abuse
Have I stumbled into a parallel universe?. Building a case for what ?
To prove you are certifiable ? The mind bogles !
53 yankeeboy (#) Oct 08th, 2012 - 09:07 pm Report abuse
but this will be my last briefing...

one can only hope.

54 ElaineB (#) Oct 08th, 2012 - 09:07 pm Report abuse
@51 It is so ridiculous. I have never seen anyone so desperate for attention they would make up something that no one over the age of five would believe.

The good news, according to TTT, is that the Argentine trolls should be quiet for the next six months. Do you think that is how long he will be in rehab?
55 adorable (#) Oct 08th, 2012 - 09:10 pm Report abuse
Not at all....the Argentine trolls will continue no matter what!
Is just a debt.....
not as big as the 15 trillion dollars USA National Debt Clock...tic tic tic..
56 Joe Bloggs (#) Oct 08th, 2012 - 09:13 pm Report abuse

Oh I get it. When you said it was your last post you meant using the tag Arifu.
57 surfer (#) Oct 08th, 2012 - 09:13 pm Report abuse
I think the only thing he's going to “blow up” is kept in a box under his bed
58 Mother Theresa (#) Oct 08th, 2012 - 09:17 pm Report abuse

Not yet, adorable, not yet. We have revealed enough to them today.
59 LEPRecon (#) Oct 08th, 2012 - 09:17 pm Report abuse
@54 - Elaine

Maybe TTT and all his personalities are going to self immolate themselves in protest of .......something, even they probably don't know what they're meant to be protesting! LOL
60 Arifu Gobakuwi (#) Oct 08th, 2012 - 09:19 pm Report abuse

No, I will still remain here putting you Americans and British in your place, for insulting other people's country 24/7.
61 Captain Poppy (#) Oct 08th, 2012 - 09:20 pm Report abuse
I think it's time to refer to tit and his other names as plain old Cybil.
62 surfer (#) Oct 08th, 2012 - 09:22 pm Report abuse
This place will consume you my friend, why not just forget about it and go out for a beer?
63 ElaineB (#) Oct 08th, 2012 - 09:23 pm Report abuse
@60 He flip-flops all over the place with his fights. He just craves attention and will say anything to get it. Sad really.
64 Condorito (#) Oct 08th, 2012 - 09:28 pm Report abuse
Elaine , Yankee, Clyde, Joe, Lepr, surfer:
This Arifu is not TTT. Give TTT credit, you may disagree with his view point, but there is logic to many of his posts.. On the other hand Arifu thinks Star Trek is real. He is cukoo.

Lets hope if he tries to blow himself up, he does it in Glasgow airport;)
65 Mother Theresa (#) Oct 08th, 2012 - 09:29 pm Report abuse
My children repent of your racist rants against the Argentineans.
66 yankeeboy (#) Oct 08th, 2012 - 09:31 pm Report abuse
He is not the 1st Rg poster to have a complete mental break down on this board and I doubt he will be the last.

I am seriously wondering if the prescription medicine that is caught in the Aduana is making a lot of Rgs mentally unstable...
67 Mother Theresa (#) Oct 08th, 2012 - 09:33 pm Report abuse

May I ask why you hold such venom towards your fellow man? it is very sad.
68 ElaineB (#) Oct 08th, 2012 - 09:34 pm Report abuse
@64 I am not so sure. Sure TTT was lucid at times but had the same self-aggrandising manner and desperate need for attention. And he referred to a debate we were involved in previously, though he confused me with someone else.

Why is there a need to reincarnate every couple of months?
69 yankeeboy (#) Oct 08th, 2012 - 09:41 pm Report abuse
racist rants against the Argentineans

I've had to explain to too many of these Rgs that they are not a race unto themselves.

You can' be racist against a country now can you...
70 Arifu Gobakuwi (#) Oct 08th, 2012 - 09:44 pm Report abuse

I am not Tobias, though I know of him from a few other forums. I did not realize he was here under the alias “Truth Telling Troll”, and that for all of you here that screen name and Tobias are the same individual. I have never seen a poster named Tobias, but I have seen the Truth Telling Troll, but only last week. I know a Tobias in at least one other forum, and he had the same concerns over the abusive language towards his country online.

But I am not him. I posted some months ago here as Gabriela Sabatini, that's all.
71 Mother Theresa (#) Oct 08th, 2012 - 09:45 pm Report abuse

Then not racism but why do you go out of your way to put these people down.
72 Ayayay (#) Oct 08th, 2012 - 10:22 pm Report abuse
Today is a day to appreciate the Latin Empire in history .

When Cristoffa Corombo, via La Reina Isabella, found North America in 1492.
After the Vikings (Scandinavians), the Polynesians (Hawai'ians)
And Native North & South Americans (Chinese).

73 briton (#) Oct 08th, 2012 - 11:20 pm Report abuse
You are the only one insulting other peoples and their countries,

We are just making small talk,
And like David said we are friends,

You obviously are not..

74 Captain Poppy (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 12:58 am Report abuse
don“t forget 1421 and the Chineese. However the only thing that matters is who said....”yeah.....this is ours”
briton the only way #60....titty boy can put anyone in there place would be face to face, then he can try, otherwise he is doing nothing.
75 hammerhead993 (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 01:06 am Report abuse
Tobi Gobakuwi!!!! What's up sister? An African immigrant in Mendoza??
76 St.John (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 10:25 am Report abuse
3 Welsh Wizard writes:

“Chaco province in northern Argentina surprised the local capital markets this week when it made more than $263,000 dollar-denominated bond service payments in local pesos rather than in US currency.” ( )

It would only have cost the Chaco provincial government 425,000 almost worthless pesos to buy black market dollars, a bit more expensive, but much more intelligent.

This is a serious mistake, which will make it extremely difficult for Argentine provinces to sell dollar bonds in the future.
77 Don Alberto (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 10:55 am Report abuse
Arifu Gobakuwi aka Mother Theresa aka Gabriela Sabatini aka Tottering_Toby_Twit - interesting that you “four” share one single ip address, isn't it?

You are from “the system” aren't you, the Grand Master themselves - also known as the multi-scizophreniac mendocino.

You scared me so much that I don't even dare write this.

Back to reality. Your Goback posts really made my day, rolling on the floor, laughing for half an hour.

Nice to know the allow you internet access from your padded cell.
78 Ken Ridge (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 12:04 pm Report abuse
This is so funny I forgot what the topic was about.
79 yankeeboy (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 01:19 pm Report abuse
I was at a charity cocktail party last night that Paul Singer is a big supporter. I brought up the ship detaining story and everyone started laughing!
The world is a small place...
80 Troy Tempest (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 03:01 pm
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81 HansNiesund (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 03:10 pm Report abuse

Oh my gosh! The junior arjihadis are massing! Let's hope they never join up with the KimJongUnistas, we'll really be in trouble then.
82 ChrisR (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 03:15 pm Report abuse

Get it right: this is ChrisR, not some figment of imagination on 'Star Trek'

I take it the 'she' is TMBOA? LOL to the power googol.

Get real, 'she' cannot do anything to the Falklands (there are STILL no Malvinas) without the final destruction of your (laughably named) military.

If I had my way a purge of the mainland government sites in a 'Bin Laden' reprise moment to kill the gangsters in 'power' would follow next.

Couple of SAS ought to be able to achieve that. LOL
83 adorable (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 03:29 pm Report abuse
You are the only screwed by all the viewers....stop touching your toes!
84 Arifu Gobakuwi (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 03:35 pm Report abuse

Notice how they all share their racist views of being superior to Argentines genetically, and thus they believe that gives them a right to treat the country of Argentina with not even an ounce of decorum.

They think they further their case, but all they do is cement their reputations as caustic old bitter farts.
85 yankeeboy (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 03:48 pm Report abuse
Toby, Go get some lithium, take the bus from Mendoza then the Train to Olivos, knock on the Prez's Quinta and ask her for at least a week supply. You've lost your mind.
BTW I hear the Mendoza electric company is near collapse how are you going to promote your secret collapse when you can't log on?
86 Arifu Gobakuwi (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 04:00 pm Report abuse
It must also be added, Morally bankrupt and bigoted people have as a unifying trait of accusing others of having lost their mind. They say this in fact honestly, as they consider any other views that do not include racial, ethnic, or income bigotry as inconsistent with the world-view constructed in their heads.
87 yankeeboy (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 04:03 pm Report abuse
ny other views that do not include racial, ethnic, or income bigotry as inconsistent with the world-view constructed in their heads.


Oh yeah here we go again
I was laughing all day yesterday and I need another
88 Troy Tempest (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 04:05 pm Report abuse

I though you had finished posting...
89 ElaineB (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 04:05 pm Report abuse
@ 86 Aw, tell us more about your evil plan for world domination. Mwahahahaha.
90 Arifu Gobakuwi (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 04:06 pm Report abuse
The fact you are driven by pangs of conscience to artlessly retort my factual statemements are the most damning evidence of their accurate application to your personal profile.
91 yankeeboy (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 04:21 pm Report abuse
“What do I do everyday, Try to take of over the world” ...The Brain

You post like a 1st year university student trying to impress their teacher then wondering why they gave you an F.
92 Arifu Gobakuwi (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 04:24 pm Report abuse
You print nothing but personal attacks. Your last 5 posts have been personal attacks. And you deem yourself fit to criticize the impression others give?
93 yankeeboy (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 04:35 pm Report abuse
Yes I do.
94 Arifu Gobakuwi (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 04:37 pm Report abuse
“It must also be added, Morally bankrupt and bigoted people have as a unifying trait of accusing others of having lost their mind. They say this in fact honestly, as they consider any other views that do not include racial, ethnic, or income bigotry as inconsistent with the world-view constructed in their heads.”
95 atk357 (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 04:48 pm Report abuse
Is the Argentinean captain going to let them take the ship? if I were in his shoes, I would scattle the ship before surrender....
96 yankeeboy (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 04:57 pm Report abuse
95. I think the captain was removed from the ship.
97 Arifu Gobakuwi (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 04:57 pm Report abuse

Not a bad idea. Better idea would be to hire a couple of starving Ghanish and have them douze the ship in fuel and burn it to a singe. Then Argentina sues Ghana for 100 million, for the loss of the ship, for negligence in security, and for “irreparable loss” of a historical artifact.
98 Leifur_Heppni (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 04:59 pm Report abuse

i don't think they are letting that ship leave, haha...october 11. will see--)
99 yankeeboy (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 05:00 pm Report abuse
97. That sounds like something an Rg would suggest.
100 Arifu Gobakuwi (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 05:03 pm Report abuse

Why so? Tons of Ghanans would easily be goaded to do that in exhange for a free boat ride to Buenos Aires, like many from that region already do anyway.
101 yankeeboy (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 05:06 pm Report abuse
Don't know, how many people are goaded into cheering for a bi-polar hag in exchange for a choripan and beer?
102 Arifu Gobakuwi (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 05:09 pm Report abuse
103 yankeeboy (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 05:18 pm Report abuse

Argentina one of the most polluted places in the world.

Filthy place filthy people
104 Arifu Gobakuwi (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 05:27 pm Report abuse

North Pacific Garbage patch, USA. World's largest dump.
105 Mother Theresa (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 05:38 pm Report abuse

Why the desire to speak ill of others, it is not good my child.
106 yankeeboy (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 06:05 pm Report abuse
Do we own the North Pacific? I think the water flow circles around Asia so maybe you should talk to Japan about it too.
Do you believe all the commercials you see?

Mother, Sometimes it is best to point out people's faults so they can help themselves. Don't you think? Maybe Toby didn't know he was filthy until I pointed it out.
107 Mother Theresa (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 06:10 pm Report abuse
My child, I am not fit to point your faults as am I guilty as charged of them, and more. We must use our God given judgement to seek Him and have him point to us how do we fall short against his eternal grace.
108 Captain Poppy (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 06:12 pm Report abuse
Amazing the refuse that drifted from that Japanese earthquake. #104....tittyboi tobias, are you still carrying on with your childish charade of pretending you are someone else. This is by far the stupidist stunt I have seen you perform since I've been posting. What African language are you pretending to speak?
109 yankeeboy (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 06:15 pm Report abuse
Mother, I am using my judgement as I choose. I suggest you do the same.

108. Well he is also arrogant enough to take the name of a saint so who knows what is going on in that crazy head. I think the psycho meds are all gone in Argentina.
110 Captain Poppy (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 06:21 pm Report abuse
Yankee, they are really all freaking nuts.....they have to be children. I've never knew an adult person behaving as infantile as they do. I think la campora turned their brain to sap, or fatsimo kirchner raped them to the point of insanity.......or both.
111 Santa Fe (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 06:23 pm Report abuse
Haha now Africa supports Rgs, Jajajajajajaja I never expexted fake African posters. Wow these Rgs are mega clever what a master stroke. Africa supports us against the nasty debt collectors. This must be so embarrassing for Argentina an already humiliated country. Shame...
112 Arifu Gobakuwi (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 06:26 pm Report abuse
Yes, the North Pacific is controlled by the USA, thus the state it's in, a total dump, like the parent country perhaps?
113 yankeeboy (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 06:32 pm Report abuse
I will inform US State that an Rg blogger has just ceded the North Pacific to us.
I am sure they will be thrilled.
114 Gabriela Sabatini (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 06:37 pm Report abuse

The North Pacific falls under your immediate sphere, it happens to be a dump, unlike the South Pacific which is the most pristine ocean on Earth, and the South Atlantic, the second most pristine ocean on Earth.
115 Troy Tempest (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 06:37 pm Report abuse
@112 allfu

What does tsunami debris in the North Pacific have to do with an Argentine navy Flagship being confiscated in one of 'your' African ports on the other side of the world??

Deflection, distraction???

Are you that embarrassed?

Oh, sorry, I forgot - you're 'African'.
116 Captain Poppy (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 06:44 pm Report abuse
Nothing ttt, otherwise called littly titty boi, and now gabriela, and arifu and what ever else that twisted little mind wants to pretend it is, or course it is anything BUT an argentine, needs to try and talk down the USA and UK in his feeble la campora attempts to divert negative blogs of his land of oz, AKA arhentina.
117 yankeeboy (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 06:46 pm Report abuse
Well you can question what the USA's spheres are but there is no question on the Matanza Riachuelo it is RIGHT IN DOWNTOWN BUENOS AIRES killing 1000s of people with cancer EVERY YEAR FOR 200 years!

Another one:
118 Arifu Gobakuwi (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 06:47 pm Report abuse
I am not TTT, I repeat. I admited in post 70 I once used a name Gabriela Sabatini, I posted under such to prove it. I will no longer use that name.
119 briton (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 06:49 pm Report abuse
74 Captain Poppy
At it again,

We propose friendship.
You throw abuse and accuse us of racism.
The defeated always breeds envy and jealousy among its
120 yankeeboy (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 06:56 pm Report abuse
Maybe he hit his head and doesn't remember. It would explain a lot.

Cap, As I mentioned before cornered animals get aggressive and erratic most of the time you have to put them down.
121 Arifu Gobakuwi (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 06:59 pm Report abuse
Have any of you ever considered pondering what do you gain by being here cheering an insulting another country?
122 Troy Tempest (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 07:01 pm Report abuse
@118 allfu

“I am not TTT, ”

If you are not TTT, you are his worthy successor.

TTT put in a lot of work here, to establish himself as a Senior Poster with a large following and carefully crafted personalities.

You should feel honoured that we are willing to attribute all his traits to you.
In fact, please continue to seamlessly carry the mantle forward, we'll extend you every courtesy we extended TTT, as you are TTT in spirit, at least.

You need credit as Arifu as well:
Kudos to you and your African brothers.
You should get full recognition for your integrity in your court system's management of the confiscation of fraudsters' naval vessel.

123 yankeeboy (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 07:01 pm Report abuse
Yes many times,

I am here because I like to watch weak minded Rgs have mental breakdowns online.
It is fun.
just fun.

what is your motivation? World Peace?
124 Arifu Gobakuwi (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 07:08 pm Report abuse

You must believe in the Alien Austranaut Theory then, if you believe that of me.


And that makes you strong, yes.
125 yankeeboy (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 07:10 pm Report abuse
Well I've never had a melt down on-line like TTT ( Toby) Tobias did last week.
I think he must still be recuperating somewhere but you are fun enough to play with so far.
BTW where are you from? Not Mendoza is it?
126 Troy Tempest (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 07:14 pm Report abuse
@124 allfu

“ Alien Austranaut Theory ”

Sussie (adorrible) could probe you if you like. He's in the Mother Ship, too.
127 yankeeboy (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 07:16 pm Report abuse
Troy shhh next he is going to start talking about how big his feet are...
128 Captain Poppy (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 07:18 pm Report abuse
#121....yes....the satisfaction of pissing and spitting on the leaders of a country that stole from my family, that represses from my family, that is a waste of human breath. I would prefer to show her the function end of a barret m82.

titty boi......drop your freaking facade, have you no shame? I know it's embarrassing calling yourself an argenitne, but we understand little aerola....I mean titty boi.
Hey.....what language arifu?
129 Arifu Gobakuwi (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 07:21 pm Report abuse

There has not been one confiscation in the Kirchner period of Argentine's property. Not one.
130 Troy Tempest (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 07:26 pm Report abuse
@127 Yank

Credit where it's due. Arifu is so modest.

Arifu, thank you, to you and your people for the pretty sailboat!
131 yankeeboy (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 07:28 pm Report abuse
129. Anses, BCRA Reserves, YPF, Aguas Argentina, Aerolinas Argentina (there are more) ..all of those were confiscated and Anses and BCRA are definitely wholly owned by the RG population.
So yeah they have been stealing one thing after another to keep themselves afloat and calling it an economic miracle.
132 Arifu Gobakuwi (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 07:30 pm Report abuse

Those were Argentine owned? News to me.
133 Captain Poppy (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 07:31 pm Report abuse
The amount of money they stole off my wife for socila pensions is obscene and criminal.
134 yankeeboy (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 07:35 pm Report abuse
Um yeah, Anses and BCRA reserves were owned by the people of Argentina. Who else owned them? ( well maybe the holdout bondholders)
Now all they have are worthless RG Treasury paper not even paying interest. Toilet paper is much more valuable.
I will say, it was a clever ruse but most Rgs are too dumb to realize they've even has 10s of billions stolen by corrupt dictators. ( are you making my point for me?)
135 Troy Tempest (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 07:41 pm Report abuse
It is a crime that ordinary Argentinians have been duped.
They are victims.

Not surprising when the news media is interfered with and the government has La Campora, a propaganda org.

However, “ The Trolls” do know better, and they are shameful.
136 Captain Poppy (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 07:43 pm Report abuse
tittyboi....I mean arifu, still looking for an african language to choose?
137 Troy Tempest (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 07:45 pm Report abuse
@136 poppy

Does Google Translate cover those?
138 yankeeboy (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 07:52 pm Report abuse
I wonder if Chaco just showed the country what is going to happen to all the U$ denominated bonds? Paid in Pesos instead of U$ AS WAS REQUIRED BY THE TERMS OF THE BOND.
Expecting to get U$ and you get toilet paper instead,
I'd be mad
but it's just Chaco
I don't think they have many cars or paved roads there
so nothing to see here...move along
139 Troy Tempest (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 07:55 pm Report abuse
all quiet now...

Get ready for a “new” forum user.
140 Captain Poppy (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 08:15 pm Report abuse does not and there are a good 6 langauage official languageas in Ghana franging from Akan to Gonja. I want to see that he picksc. I am sure he is looking for an online translator and he will not kind one.
Yes I read that over the weekend, it really surprised the NASDAQ crowd. Can you imagine your federal government not allowing a state to use international trade currency for debt repayment.
141 yankeeboy (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 08:21 pm Report abuse
Paul Singer offered to let the ship go for an immediate payment of U$20MM Argentina declined.

awaiting the Thursday verdict
142 Captain Poppy (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 08:26 pm Report abuse
I think you'll look good in New York harbor new to the Intrepid on the Hudson
143 ElaineB (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 08:28 pm Report abuse
There was a run on government bonds today after the Chaco announcement that it would be paying in pesos.

So many holes in the dyke and not enough fingers.

I hope my friends there heeded my advice.
144 yankeeboy (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 08:35 pm Report abuse
Did you tell them to buy sugar and laundry detergent? I've been recommending that for months.
145 ElaineB (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 08:55 pm Report abuse
They lived through the last crisis so I am guessing they know what will be 'currency'.

It was more the timing.
146 yankeeboy (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 09:16 pm Report abuse
It is very sad that most of the countrymen don't realize they've been fleeced.

If the gov't survives through next year I will be flabbergasted.
147 HansNiesund (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 09:47 pm Report abuse

Maybe it's a bunch of them in the same ward taking turn about on the computer. The one with a windscreen wiper mounted on the monitor.
148 adorable (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 10:03 pm Report abuse
@133 Conqueror/Captain Poppy+ same UK wimp!
First you said you are from the UK, 63 yrs old. collecting retirement...
then you changed to Captain Poppy residing in the “USA” which is not true....
then you said you might collect the USA social security income of $2,800 some day..(which is an incorrect amount).
then you complaint your “argentine wife” lost her “argentine pension”.....
why she did not work in the USA?...
Oh! I see....
you are saying you just met her last year!...and got hooked on April 1st!...
149 Conor J (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 10:05 pm Report abuse
Miss Sussie you certainly aren't adorable, I think you need to work on your own use of names before insulting either Mr Conqueror or Captain Poppy.
150 Kendall Zepher Coffey (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 10:22 pm Report abuse
I am still fairly convinced this matter will be put to rest shortly.
151 briton (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 10:36 pm Report abuse
152 Captain Poppy (#) Oct 10th, 2012 - 12:07 am Report abuse
sussie/adorable...whomever you are, whatever you are. Save your money and get a brain stem transplant. The difference between a 63 year old British man and a 50 year old American man is because we are two different people you ass pimple.
153 Ayayay (#) Oct 10th, 2012 - 03:27 am Report abuse
2800 is logical. We in the U.S. know Social Security depends on how much you put in working (investments aren't counted). Good jOb, Captain Poppy!
154 Pete Bog (#) Oct 10th, 2012 - 05:00 pm Report abuse
“cheering an insulting another country?”

Yes, it's usually retaliation for other people's countries being insulted.

Its the well established textual practice of' no smoke without fire', and' if you can't take a joke you shouldn't have joined'.
155 adorable (#) Oct 10th, 2012 - 05:56 pm Report abuse
@149 Ex- Conor Luden-Brown posting as Conor J= Isolde idea to win the biggest crap contest.....
Please, pay attention...I keep repeting the same comment about the UK team...they started insulting the argentine country Argentina and argentine citizens...
The Penguin News from the islands called her “bitch”
Conqueror/Captain Poppy stated...“that woman smell”...“vagina neck” etc.etc.
The UK team went just too far....rather than to present their comments in a professionable way the UK team decided tp abuse the viewers with unacceptable words...
Conqueror/Captain Poppy caused the viewers to suffer mental cruelty with their comments on how the UK can destroy my country....
Now.... the UK Team don't like to be treated in the same way...and keeps placing the blame in SussieUS which is simple unacceptable.
156 briton (#) Oct 10th, 2012 - 06:00 pm Report abuse
157 adorable (#) Oct 10th, 2012 - 06:06 pm Report abuse
@156 briton

You see....typical answer from a moron!...
....YOU.... rubbish bloody english arse!
158 briton (#) Oct 10th, 2012 - 06:09 pm Report abuse
watch it, Susie usa is on the drip again,
Adorable and now [ 3 SusanBoyle_loves(a)yankee (#) ]

She is envy with jealousy,
159 Captain Poppy (#) Oct 10th, 2012 - 06:12 pm Report abuse
sussie why did you change your name to adorable? You are as adorable as syphllis topped with chlamydia. I would credit you with some modicum of intelligence if you could actually distingusih the difference between Conqueror and myself. But you can't, it shows you inability to differentiate one writer's syntax from another.
160 briton (#) Oct 10th, 2012 - 06:18 pm Report abuse
their education has dropped out of sight,
on the other blog, she is saying oink oink,
now we both know only pigs do that,
what a total embarisment to argentina .
161 damian (#) Oct 11th, 2012 - 12:18 pm Report abuse

Looks like those sailors are going to have an extended holiday in Ghana.

I expected it to be released.
162 Captain Poppy (#) Oct 11th, 2012 - 03:37 pm Report abuse
They have to stay on that will start stinking when the holding tanks get filled.
163 Troy Tempest (#) Oct 11th, 2012 - 03:42 pm Report abuse
Ironic name for CFK's boat:

Libertad = freedom
164 Captain Poppy (#) Oct 11th, 2012 - 06:48 pm Report abuse
an oxymoron......almost and bad as the argentine intelligence agency
165 surfer (#) Oct 11th, 2012 - 09:52 pm Report abuse
Repsol must be taking note, wonder if there are any YPF tankers around....
166 Captain Poppy (#) Oct 12th, 2012 - 12:16 am Report abuse
Last I knew they were sub-contracting out to the British
167 Conqueror (#) Oct 13th, 2012 - 10:06 am Report abuse
@155 You stupid old slag. I challenge you to post a link where I have referred to that cow you call a “leader” in other than complimentary terms. I have certainly never said ...“that woman smell” or “vagina neck”. Although I may have mentioned that she's a fat, lying bitch. If your country is argieland, why don't you live there? “Viewers”? I think you'll find that they are “readers” and, on one side of the discussion - not yours, educated and intelligent. I reject the assertion of mental cruelty. It cannot be cruel to describe how a belligerent, diseased, genocidal, larcenous, mendacious, necrophiliac, putrid, pusillanimous, queer, retarded, xenophobic entity can be put out of misery. It is merely necessary and essential. Return to your roots, O sussed one. Down deep within the slime pits where other nameless things slither and gnaw at each other's vitals (Latam) and far from the light and warmth of humans.
I also reject any assertion that Captain Poppy and I are one and the same. He is far too kindly. Just look at his recent assertion that “You are as adorable as syphllis topped with chlamydia.” It would go too far in giving readers the impression that you might be human. You are an argie and therefore, by definition, not human. Just low, rabid, scummy pondlife. Remember, “adorable”, that you have the blood of millions of innocent Amerindians on your hands and, more importantly to me, the blood of 255 British servicemen and 3 Falkland Islanders. That debt remains to be paid. I will celebrate for every second that you are made to pay, and pay, and pay, and pay!
168 British_Kirchnerist (#) Oct 13th, 2012 - 01:07 pm Report abuse
“While most of their attempts to grab Argentine assets have failed in court, Elliott and other distressed debt investors have recorded some victories. Having bought the debt originally for pennies on the dollar, their strategy is to pursue aggressive means to recover a greater amount”

So they're not distressed debtors, they're opportunistic sharks! Good rundown of the various attacks they've launched on Nestor and Cristina's Argentina over the last decade though, no wonder TTT feels his country is persecuted. Shame on the government of Ghana, the first independent African country and land of the leader voted the greatest African by the African people themselves, Kwame Nkrumah, for going along with these gangsters, hope they change track fast
169 Leifur_Heppni (#) Oct 13th, 2012 - 02:05 pm Report abuse
What a humiliation, the argies are so weak, they are not worth of shit. Not even worth of a bullet, you can kill them with a fist.
170 tonto (#) Oct 13th, 2012 - 02:38 pm Report abuse
155 & 167
Sussie!........BLAM! Take that you anal frenzied fruit cake.
171 Clyde15 (#) Oct 13th, 2012 - 05:30 pm Report abuse
“Nestor and Cristina's Argentina”. Maybe I have missed something here, this sounds like a personal fiefdom and not the democratic Argentina that all the Argie supporters say they belong to.

As a self proclaimed “socialist” do you believe in the independence of the judiciary from the state ?
From the little I have read about this case, the judge has only upheld the law.
Do you think that the President of Ghana should direct the judge to go against the law. Is this not the first step to a dictatorship ?

The place for Argentina to contest this case is in open court.
172 ChrisR (#) Oct 13th, 2012 - 05:50 pm Report abuse
171 Clyde15
“The place for Argentina to contest this case is in open court.”

Absolutely agreed, but the chance of that happening is none or fuck all!
173 British_Kirchnerist (#) Oct 16th, 2012 - 02:22 pm Report abuse
#171 I just mean the attacks on Argentina during Nestor and Cristina's terms, obviously. But to answer your other question, I think a good President in Ghana would find some legal way to go up against this hedge fund thief, especially after what he's done in Congo
174 Troy Tempest (#) Oct 16th, 2012 - 03:12 pm Report abuse

You're back!

A week off or so. National Service? Caracas holiday?
175 Captain Poppy (#) Oct 16th, 2012 - 03:13 pm Report abuse
BK do you mean a way to bypass international law? And more importantly the law of their own land? Why, because assface does it? And you've spoke of bypassing the law in threads in the past.
And like the USA and UK, the judiciary is separated from the executive and legislative branch for good reasons.
176 Suzzie_USA (#) Oct 16th, 2012 - 03:44 pm Report abuse
Tonto and Capitan Potty/Conqueror in preparation for biggest crap competition:
How you dare talk about my anal frenzy when you are wimp from UK team. You started the insults when you attack my president and when I was low with too much gin I told you about my situation.
You are generic british wimps with no sympathy for a proud Argentinean woman in my situation.
177 Clyde15 (#) Oct 16th, 2012 - 05:04 pm Report abuse
Why should the President of Ghana get involved in a dispute that has nothing to do with his country ? It would look like political interference instigated by “whitey”
The writ has been served under Ghana's system of law.
For the President to interfere with this is the first step to dictatorship and these usually end up in a bloody, civil war.
Argentina has several choices.
Continue to contest the seizure by judicial means in the courts of Ghana.
Pay the money and free the ship or
Abandon it to the authorities.
It is obvious that some persons in Argentina made a cock-up but prolonging the case makes it worse.
178 Troy Tempest (#) Oct 16th, 2012 - 05:58 pm
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179 Captain Poppy (#) Oct 16th, 2012 - 06:28 pm
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180 Suzzie_USA (#) Oct 16th, 2012 - 09:44 pm Report abuse
@ 178 Little Toy Tempest & Conquerer Poopy
You have no pride, pasting my story again. It bring me much shame and now I have stopped drinking the gin....///... I still hold my head up like mi presidenta. Rubbish UK team of wimps.

No pride to insult a lady in my situation. You don't know how we grow up in Chubut. Look:

A baby tied and gagged in a nursury. This happen a lot in Chubut, children tied up and beaten at schools and at home. I escape to USA and hold my head high. Rubbish loosers.
181 Captain Poppy (#) Oct 17th, 2012 - 12:18 am Report abuse
your president holds her head high to swallow the vice president and American oilmen
182 Troy Tempest (#) Oct 17th, 2012 - 01:28 am Report abuse
@180 sussie/PRO ARgie American

“No pride to insult a lady in my situation. You don't know how we grow up in Chubut.”

You make your own choices, in Chabut or USA (not really living there)

Your words:
“ My parents sent me to USA. Here I have to work real hard turning lots of tricks, lots of man...sometimes 15 a day”

Retire your “Sussie” persona and stop talking filth, and you won't hear anymore insults. Otherwise, you have to expect people to strike back at you.

“He who lives by the sword, dies by the sword”.

Don't La Campora tire of you, as well??

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