Brazil strongly supports Argentina Falklands’ claim at defence ministers’ summit
Brazil came out strongly in support of Argentina’s sovereignty claims over the Falklands/Malvinas Islands and criticized British military exercises in the Islands during his speech on Monday to the Americas Defence ministers’ conference taking place in Punta del Este, Uruguay.
“In the framework of examining defence and security issues, Brazil considers inescapable that this conference addresses the fair claims of Argentina over the Malvinas Islands…as has already happened with Mercosur, Unasur and Celac”, said Brazilian Defence minister Celso Amorim. “This is one of the historic controversies pending of our continent”.
Amorin also made reference to his Argentine peer Arturo Puricelli complaints regarding UK military exercises in the Malvinas region scheduled to last until October 19.
“We are concerned with exercises which involve the firing of missiles, as is currently happening in the Islands”, said Amorim according to the copy of his speech distributed to the press since the conference sessions are behind closed doors.
“It should be expected that the conference calls on both sides (Argentina and the UK) to begin negotiations, following on the terms iterated by the UN General Assembly” concluded the Brazilian minister in his support speech for Argentina.
Amorim also rejected the concept of a continental defence system arguing that cooperation among countries in the Americas on this issue should be founded on “new premises” mainly since the Cold War is behind and “we have the conformation of a multi-polar world”.
“To diminish errors and increase correct answers we must adapt to the changes that have occurred in the world and in our region”, added Amorim.
“And today an anachronism: if we wanted to have a really inter American system, we continue to isolate Cuba”, underlined the Brazilian minister.
However “in today’s world it is prudent to avoid any kind of action that could have an incidence over the primary competences of the UN Security Council, which despite its limitations and shortfalls, remains the main body in issues of peace and security”.
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As repeated ad nauseam in the past on these boards, if the Argie constitution states the only outcome can be the total handover of the islands to them, then what point is there in talking at all?
Without resorting to being offensive or abusive, can someone from Argentina please respond to this with logic?
Brasil can't be stupid enough to realise that the exercises are no threat surely?
who have to deal with the person who is leading Argentina to economic failure and massive infation.
CK has never understood the game of chess and only thinks one move ahead without any consideration of ther knock-on effects of her decisions.
In the meantime, all SA countries will continue massaging her ego with “gratuitous rhetoric” concerning the Falklands and the islanders should understand this and not be concerned.
The free western world should take note of that and send a strong message to the provocative Islanders, that such behaviour will not be tolerate by the democratic nations of SA and even military sanction could be applied.
We are democratic, they are not, we respect the rule of law, they don’t, we believe in democracy they don’t, as such of our values are endanger for a extremist militarise society that still want to live in the middle age by having a kingdom we strongly should defended freedom and western values.
You are democratic.....yeah right your newspapers told what to say by the state
You respect the law........yeah right, since when?
The free western world don't give a toss what Regenweener thinks!
Enjoy your soon to be North Korean values.
Don't forget what your own defence minister said earlier in the year “if it wasn't for the British military on the Islands we would be there by now”
One cock up after another take your blinkers off, you will never win the Islands by force, NEVER. And then some losers
In Truth the whole of Latin America is weak when it comes to Argentina.
I know . you donn't want to upset your neighbours who you live along side. Well stop for a seccond and think about the us we are also your neighbours. seperated only by an ocean just as we are from Argentina.
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I count 10 out of 20, 50% of the tally. DB you clearly know nothing at all.
Hang on, am I writing about the country that has just signed a defence agreement with the UK AND is buying ships and British Technology, YES I am.
Wonder if the cnut Amorim knows what is going on in his own department.
Don't the Brazilian military test any of their weapons? Presumably the nuclear sub they're so keen to get their hands on, will have girls in skimpy bikinis dancing on top of it, and will launch flower petals instead of missiles, as it's towed through the Praça da Apoteose to the sound of Samba?
So long as their is a threat to our existance we Falkland islanders will always have the British Forces here to stop Argentine agression spilling over into another pointless war. Did Argentina learn nothing from the last bloody nose they got and given we were undefended then what chance do you have of repeating that again. The old saying . Once bitten....
You are like a horses, los vamos atar al palenque y domarlos hasta que queden mansos y tiernos. Drop to drop until we broken the rock.
How are Argentina more democratic than the Falklands/Britain? Your lovely, corrupt, and plastic surgery loving President is trying to change your country's constitution so she can stay in power! Democracy...Chavez style.
@17 Really? You mean you call yourself something else. But that's only to avoid confusion, isn't it? Let's see now. Nazi Germany used its own troops in Polish uniforms to provide an excuse for unprovoked military invasion. Japan carried out an unprovoked military attack on the United States military base in Pearl Harbor, Hawaii. After “the war” German Nazi war criminals fled to, guess where? Argieland. Where they received a warm, friendly welcome because Peron thought that the Nazis were going to win “the war” and had been promised whatever territories he wanted from the defeated British Empire. Except it didn't work out like that and Peron had to do an abrupt about-turn and join the Allies. In the latter part of the 20th century, argieland started by establishing a covert and illegal naval base on Thule Island (British). It then carried out a clandestine, covert, illegal and unprovoked invasion of South Georgia (British). And then an illegal and unprovoked invasion of the Falkland Islands (British). During its occupation, it carried out many acts that were and are illegal under international law. And you are different from the Germany and Japan of the 30s and 40s....how?
Also Brazil has always supported your claim.
At the same time Brazil is a growing tradong ally with Uk (and the rest of europe) and links with Uk are growing quite rapidly in science/tecnology co-operation - and defence.
After all whose Navy met up with and exercised with HMS Dauntless a few weeks ago aff Brazil? Remember the ship all you folks jumped up and down screaming like demented demons about.
Its called maintaining a political balance - Dilma does NOT want your demented maniac phoning her every night from the Casa Rosada screaming into her ear!!
At the end of the day Brazil is interested in TRADE- and good relations with BOTH.
They after all were quite happy with FI Observers at that Parliamentary Conference the other week!
Nonsense. The reality you talk of is in your head. Congratulations to the argentine government and education system for brainwashing so thoroughly.
Ah ha so maybe you Argentines are actually Falkland islanders then given that you claim us to be Argentines. Fact is we are British Kelpers and proud with no history whatsoever of having murdered an indigenous people to become Falkland Islanders.
24 gustbury (#) your ancestors have let you down badley and because you are brought up in a virtual communistic way you have never been allowed to know the truth about ou. Your history books , school books, library books et. all have the same fault most of the truth has been removed.
I sugest you try to get your government to tell you the real truth about your history and then come back to us with your thoughts.
Believe it or not Falkland Islanders have been taught a great many things about the wide world so we are very fluent with what is really happening.
What is nice from your comment you are actually entering a dialogue with a Falkland islander now that is a very positive move on your part seeing the rest of your Government believes we do not actually exist.
Oct 09th, 2012 - 12:39 pm
“You being islander are so Argentine like me!”
There is a slight difference, gustbury, Islander1 lives where:
Inflation is 2% rather than 25%,
A person doesn't have to lock their car or home,
Everybody has the right to express themselves freely without fear of the AFIP,
Antbody can buy any currency they like without asking for permission,
They drive on the left,
Their official currency is Falkland pounds stirling,
There is no coercion by peronists or La Campora, etc.
So I think you are very out of touch with reality, gustbury, we live in a totally different world to Islander1, Monty69, Isolde, Joe Bloggs and the rest of the Falklanders, and unfortunately for us their world is a great deal better than ours is now and certainly as it will be in the near future!!!!!!!
Has this berk been advised by his defence staff that short range surface to air missiles with the range of 4 miles are a threat to South America?
I thought politicians in the UK were stupid but this takes the biscuit,as they seem to posssess more than this guy's one brain cell.
Perhaps he too, thinks UK princes in unarmed yellow helicoptera are a strategic threat to South America.
Next he'll come out with some crap that the British evicted South American civilian settlers from the Falkland Islands in 1833.
PPPffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffftttttttttttttt!
Brítish has no álone ability to combat úsing tactíc/strategic/lógistic/intelligence against doméstic powers.
Is the Falklands part of Argentina? No.
Is the Falklands governed and administered by Argentina. No.
Your reality does not match what actually is occuring. But please, tell me again that I am living in a fantasy world. Tell me from your perch in Argentina how things actually happen in the Falklands, where I currently type from. Please Senior Gusts, tell me again. I will try and collaborate your reality with what I can see with my eyes.
Well try it then Tipsydick and you'll be most surprised what we can do, and from a long way off. I bet our intelligance knows more about your country than you do, which judging by your comments wouldn't be difficult.
@32 your right they had the ability to do what they did because they weren't a bunch of spineless surrender monkeys and had the military to back up there words. If come next year there is no oil you will no longer be interested am I right? And you WILL bow down (AGAIN) sooner rather than later trust me.
You can't take these countries seriously.
But it's true what someone said: Brazil has no balls.
“Brítish are like landed fly at the edgé of America Continént”
Just as the Spanish flies landed in the South American continent .
And?
I have lived in Uruguay for 19 months and am learning LatAm Spanish.
Even my embryonic espanol beats your google translated 'English' mixed up with espanol.
You are unintelligible. Please find another translation programme so we can have a chance at understanding what you write.
WTF does ‘drop to drop until broken the rock’ mean?
www.youtube.com/watch?v=ow-pJJJz6Qg
Brazil, the Regional Power not only emcourages negotiations but supports Argentina´s sovereignty rights over the islands.
Argentina has the support of multiple international organizations that have been repeatedly urging the UK to negotiate to settle the dispute.
How long will the cross colonial power in decline be able to maintain control over Malvinas? That´s the question.
200years ago the world was full of imperialism - Spanish-British- French - Dutch - German - and that,s just a selection!
Events like 1770 when Spain threw the Brits out of the Islands and 1833 when the Brits threw out the militia(not civilians)0ut of what was to become the future Argentina - that was the way nations solved their problems in those days!
Do we re-write the entire world map? Give ALL South American nations back to the indigenous Indians and all you folks go back to Europe beacaues that was where your ancestors came from? Do the same with USA,Canada and Mexico etc? Send the folks who live in the Carribean back to Africa etc?
That is the logic of a TERRITORAL claim based on who claims who did what to who 200 or more years ago!!
Really I cannot think of a better way of starting World War 3 - can you?
Fortunatley we now live in the 21st century! Colonialism has gone
from where it was not wanted - and that includes the Islands.
Today the principles that guide the free civilized world are those of Human Rights! Would you deny us ours - to live in peace in the lands we have developed and built up over 200years, and to be governed by those we choose and freely elect?
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-16280613
www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEPoVuY2cIs
What do you need to touch to understand the support is tangible?
Correction here sunshine your lot did not exist as Argentina in 1690 get your facts right you moron.
Likewise it is impossible to have been allies with portugal for over a thousand years . Argentina is barely 200 years old.
What a load of stuff you fellows dream up to support your claim.
In 1833 Brazil was an Empire istelf, not property of Portugal.
“Why would we attack our allies and close friends unprovoked without reason?”
The UK attacked and invaded Argentina in 1806, 1807, 1833 and 1845.
We think you are British, a nation with a long history invading and attacking other peoples around the world. You are a menace in our continent.
Er Sir I'm not an Argentine! Im British and support our claim and you Islanders through self determination, I was saying to Mr Malvinas in a different comment @41 that the UK has always been an ally of Portugal and Brazil while he was saying that the UK was a declining power. Read through the previous comments to understand what I mean. In comment 48 I was pointing out to him that there is no reason for the UK to attack Brazil as a result of our longstanding friendship. Notice the way I took the piss out of Argentina at the end of my comment as Argentina has a history of surprise and attacks on friend and neighbours.
When I referred to Portugal sir I was referring to Brazils Portugese language culture and tradition, no to mention that Brazil was still under the influence of Portugal and its Monarchy right up to 1889. Menace to our continent? Its not your continent sir it belonged to the natives who have mostly been murdered or displaced by you lot.
Argentina?
1806: Part of the Spanish empire when we attacked and it was provoked and you weren't a people either so you cant complain.
1807: Same as before.
1833: No such place as Argentina and we weren't attacking we were reclaiming what was ours.
1845: Well you were our enemy back then so you know. But do you notice these conflicts weren't unprovoked any way how ca you talk Argentina is only as large as it is because large tracks of land were taken from Uruguay, Chile, Brazil etc. Oh do you also remember 1982? Oh btw you will never posses or islands you have tried everything and it has all failed.
We´ll keep trying. We´ll be back.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=lV0bANR4LPc
Really how are you going to keep trying? Do tell I'am most intrigued.
Really? Are you sure? Not only is your claim nonsense but you have been waiting for 179 years and nothing has changed. Thats only a few years less then Argentina's actual time on this earth. How patient can you be? LOL
Yep, we invaded in 1806, and 1807. We were fighting against your colonial masters who'd been usurped by a little French despot.
Just for the record:
Brazil became independent to Portugal in 1822, after the event known as “Grito de Ipiranga”.
Argentina attempted repeatedly to take all Uruguay's territory several times in the 19th Century, unsuccessfully. The only arguably Uruguayan territory in Argentine hands today is the tiny island of Martín García, but it was not taken by force. It was negotiated away by Uruguay as part of the Treaty of the River Plate, in the 1970s.
As far as I know Argentina has been unsuccessful in taking land from Chile, and has never attempted to take any from Brazil. Paraguay did lose large tracts of its territory to Argentina after the War of the Triple Alliance.
The above, however, has nothing to do with the Falkland Islands, which are British territory and should remain so until the population decides otherwise.
1987 : Britáin invaded by Bengalis
1988 : Britáin invaded by Pakistanis
1990 : Britain invaded by Jamaicans.
i am not well aware of Brítish History evénts
you may correct if the dátes are not trué.
and they even have celebration day for it!!!???!!??for a lost war!
In my country we only have celebration days for the wars we have won, and we haven't lost any.
The independence war against Spain wasn't even a real war, since Napoleon had invaded Spain, so how could you not win it?
the invásion kinds have very changed.
keep sleeping on.
four équally failed states ,Britain/Wales/Scotland/N.Ireland.
Yes, them too. But they did at least have wealth at one point. They have won nothing in sport, true enough. Except 2003 which was a once in a eon quantum physical mistake.
That's the only metric the world cares about, just happens to be so.
Arrogance and delusions of their country's greatness appear to be a common flaw amongst the Argentine posters here.
World Cup is the most pure measure. When Aliens land on Earth it will be at half time of a world cup final, not during a 6N or a t2o, or the Syncronized Swimming for quadraplegics.
I suspect if Aliens did land, and decided to reveal themselves at a sporting event, they'd choose the opening ceremony of the Olympics - an event which includes representatives of every country in the world, and has higher viewing figures than the World Cup final.
Of course perhaps they'd just go introduce themselves to that years Nobel laureates instead (of which 116 have been British, how many have been Argentine by the way?).
www.freemaptools.com/measure-distance.htm
South America doesn't own the South Atlantic ocean and has no say in what island nations in the South Atlantic do. This story is almost laughable.
And which legal document indicates the UK owning it?
At the same time it's difficult to argue that the prizes for Science do not reward real achievement, and the U.K. certainly outstrip Argentina's 3 by a factor of 30.
These “failed” states you keep gibbering about. wouldn't happen to be the starting point of the modern world and birth place of the industrial revolution would they?
The birth place of democracy ( you may have missed that one as half the countries in LATAM don't use it, or only use it in name )
Birth place of the greatest empire the world has ever seen.
and has given the world the most widely used language ever known?
and the greatest poet/ playwright in the world?
and the founder of the most widely used food stuff in the history of the world?
are those the “failed” states you were talking about?
Funny, all the books (including by British authors), call it ”Rome: the greatest empire in the history of Earth). Maybe the 1000 year over 150 year difference in lifespan has something to do with it.
I'll give you this one reluctantly, it is only the most widely used because of the population of Earth today and communication. Had French or Latin been in the same era it would be the same. Nothing special about Vulgar German.
Finest playright? Ok, if it makes you “gay”.
No idea about the last one.
A dose of the clap or third degree piles.? Just about right for an Argie.
#72
“The olympics are full of drugs, cheating, and politics”
Why do I keep thinking of Maradona - isn't he Argentinian ?
Didn't he play in the World Cup - that tournament noted for its fair play and lack of corruption
still,
no ceeegar then .
Argentina is undeniably a country with a beautiful landscape and many positive cultural attributes. However, the attitude of its government (and by extension some of its citizenry, especially those represented here) toward the Falkland Islanders is aggressive and hypocritical. This however appears understandable given the need of the government to distract the population from the ailing economy and the indoctrination and lies fed to Argentine students.
Greece.....ημοκρατία (dēmokratía)
Mongolia. (25% of the world population under the mongol empire)
Chinese....
Neruda! (Göethe and Shakespeare close seconds)
Rice? (it can't be bread cos' the Asians don't eat bread.......)
@ TiT aka Arifu Gobakuwi, you seriously need to get a new hobby, it's not your job to defend your country.
@77 TiT
No idea what you are talking about?
Fair enough. I think of Ben Johnson, Lance Armstrong, Marion Jones... all the biggest cheaters in world sport seem to be Anglo.
And those are merely the ones caught. If you were an impartial observer, given the fact that after every Olympics some gold medallist is caught in having cheated, woudn't you cast serious doubts into all of the other athletes?
articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-10-05/sports/sns-rt-us-sabotagebre89500l-20121005_1_simon-cho-jae-su-disciplinary-action
Sabotage of their opponents, I could go on and on.
To be fair I am sure Russia and China cheat just as much with illegal chemicals... so how can anyone honestly use the Olympics to put down any other country that does not win medals as often?
It is an atrocious idea.
Oh dear Mr Think.
Mongolia? Thats nothing British empire:
Over 33 million Squared KM-Largest ever
22.63% of the worlds surface-Largest ever
438 million people out of 2.2 billion-Largest ever
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_empires
You will see that the Mongol empire is below Britannia.
The most widely used language language is chinese only by a small amount, for day to day use, business, international trade and for being the most widely known language English is the universal language not Chinese.
The best playwright is obviously Shakespeare as almost everyone has heard of him plus he has outsold all other playwrights in history. Neruda? I had to google that, how many other people do you think know him?
It's actually the Bread which is the most consumed which in turn is followed by the most favoured snack the Great British sandwich.
oh dear, oh dear...... well, I suppose I have to take comfort in the words of Harry Dean Stanton, who once said “Don't feel too badly about it. somethings can't be helped, some people too”
or is this a case of “because he knew a thing or two, he thought he knew it all”?
Maybe, in time, I will come to forgive your unforgivable lack of knowledge. Or maybe in time you will make me forget that you appear to have sawdust in between your ears.
In any case, you have a computer with a internet connection yes? use it to look up the answers. Then when you have come back and talk to me.... son.
85 briton
I know what you mean.......... it must be those long nights... maybe the full moon brings them out...........
You go to the top of the class and get a gold star as well!!!
So then, now that we are all warmed up. let me pose another question for the eager masses ( Conor J, you can sit this one out if you like. You have already shown them the way )
Given that we are all agreed how GREAT Briton is, what ( apart from a place to hide Nazi war Criminals ) has Argentina ever given the world?
In what sense is Ben Johnson, a black African Canadian an 'Anglo'? Good grief , you're so inept you can't even get being racist right.
CC: (95) toooldtodieyoung
The very fact that you had to Google ”Neruda” shows your Turnipidity.
The very fact that you can’t even read a Wiki article properly shows your Turnipidity....:
25% of the world population was ruled by the Mongol Empire.
20% of the world population was ruled by the British Empire.
The very fact that you ignore that more than half of the worlds population don’t eat bread (ergo: no sandwiches) shows your Turnipidity.
What a Turnip!
@27 You don't have anything to wash!
@31 As already proved. Can beat the sh*te out of you! Next time we won't be so gentle! I want at least 30 million argies exterminated!
@32 argie nazis. Exterminate! Twice.
@37 Ram yourself down on this bayonet!
@41 Only one question has meaning! Ten thousand yeears or until every argie is dead!
@44 Falklands vessels fly the Red Ensign? Problem with Brazil?
@50 1806/1807? We had a little raid of a SPANISH territory. 1833 - Beat one of argieland's multiple identities shitless. 1845 - Did it again. 1982 - Did it again. Next time you will be exterminated.
@54 Do you have the guts to be at the front? I want to kill you! Gutless coward.
@60 Pissed again!
@64 The United Provinces of sh*te. The sh*te confederation. The sh*te republic. Cesspit of the world. Owes Britain two million rotting argie corpses.
@77 And who needs a “document”? Try this .45 calibre up your ass and aimed at where your brain is supposed to be! You need to understand your position. And be dead! If you have a problem, we'll be glad to kill you faggots.
@81 Do try to understand that you're an irrelevant faggot! Sh*te without a basket. Sh*te in deep sh*te.
@98 Look at Twinky. One of the most uneducated faggots in the world! I s it worth anything? Worth total CRAP!
And by the way get some other facts straight- britain NEVER invaded Argentina in 1805 and 1807- Britain attacked a SPANISH territory and Britain was at war with SPAIN. Got it? Argentina did not exist - you know that!
1833- Britain was retaking what it recognised as Br territory - again , not invading.
1845 - not sure what that was - please enlighten me?
By the way - have you asked your President yet when is she going to accept the offer made to her several months ago through your Ambassador in London,to sit down and talk?
1. Scotland is a country, and have our own devolved government (hopefully fully devolved). We are a member of the UK, but still classed as a country. So learn your geography, pal.
2 Scotland is far from a failed country. We've contributed far more to the world than Argentina has, and still, per head, has the most technically gifted people in the world, in terms of engineering, science and business. Remember all that stuff I posted to you yesterday? That was only a fraction of what we've done. Argentina on the other hand, is a laughing stock in the international community.
Your comments on rugby are funny, considering it's played competitively at a national level, in many countries across the globe, e.g. South Africa, New Zealand, Australia, Tonga, Samoa, ARGENTINA.
Look up stuff before spouting out rubbish.
Oh you good! :-)
Now Now Think chill out.
Neruda? Like I said he is obviously nowhere near as good as Shakespeare I therefore proved you wrong.
I'am well aware that the Mongol empire had 25% of the worlds population but that was only 110 million in comparison to the UK that had 20% but it equaled over million people.
Half the worlds population don't eat bread? Not sure about that sir. Allthough the chinese eat a primary diet of mainly Rice, bread is still widely avaliable, I know this for a fact. Also you forget that the combined populations of Russia West/East Europe, North, Central, South America, Australia, New Zealand, the Middle East, West Asia and parts of Northern/Southern Africa eat bread and this equals over 3 billion+ your argument does not stand up to the 1.5 billion of east asia does it? Anyway why are we discussing this? The fact is the British Empire has had more influence on the world in general then any other empire or state. Fact.
Good show Conqueror
well said!!
Case closed.
Thank Christ for that, you really are incredibly boring and repetitive.
.................................
103
One must remember that in those days half the world did not exist.
And the world population in Mongol times were less than they are today,
We know not the total population,
But to day its about 6.5 billion, we think.
Just an imaginative thought.
History don’t ya just love it,
Did you know it has more inaccurates, as there are grains of sand on Brighton beach.
mmmmmmmmmm
“”“Why do you try putting Argentina down as a nothing place however? I don't get it.”“”
Nor do I.
However these boards have devolved into meaningless slagging-off matches between set-piece posters using multiple accounts to back up their own arguments.
Which is pretty pathetic on all sides.
The general level of political savy appears to be: If you slag me off, I will find something to slag you off about too.!
Nice.
Meanwhile, the Falklands Islanders carry on living their lives in peace and prosperity, and good luck to them. I cant see anybody removing them at any point in a rational future.... particularly not when the oil starts flowing.
And that, ladies & gentlemen, is the cold, hard reality of politics: they got oil, they got the land: “you” don't.
“Game over man, game over.”
Oh, we all know that Think knows all the answers, yes he does, but the questions seem to be giving you a lot of trouble don't they?
Now that you've had your little rant. Are you going to answer my question? Or have you had enough of being proved wrong ( again ). By the way you know my comment about English being the most widely used Language in the world?
Please try to use it properly. “Turnipidity”? I don't think that is even a proper word...........
Ok. That's got that all cleared up.
What ( apart from a place to hide Nazi war Criminals ) has Argentina ever given the world?
However this shows the true nature of them. You can't trust on what they say, not in good or bad.
There's a good reason why there are military drills being held. Aggressive Argentina attacked to the Islands once, and continues its hostile dialog even today. Everyone in the civilized world understands UK position, but none of them has Argentina as a neighbor like Brazil, who wants to do business with everyone.
Maybe you should have bombarded Argentina back to middle ages in the Falklands war..they were the hostile aggressor, why not punish them real good..
They change their name so often they forget who they are,
True,
On another blog,
They spend hours arguing before they realised they were arguing with each other,
Yep
Very clever..
.
“Can anyone explain why Brazil continues to support Argentina after that, whilst stabbing us in the bac”
There is a theory that has been mentioned on these posts which might be credible-SA countries 'support' the Argentine claim to the Falklands but apart from the Chav , do not seem to be offering any military hardware toward that cause.
So could it be that they want to egg Argentina on to attack the Falklands so that the UK will eliminate the threat (or at least reduce it by splashing a few aircraft, ships and airfields) so that Argentina is less of a threat to its neighbours?
Without any hassle to Chile, Brazil etc?
then we supose that with the elimination of argentina.
Brazil can thus go forward, without that irritating little puppie yelping at its heels.
just a thought .
Your comments and participation in this forum clearly demonstrate that you cannot tolerate that Argentina has recently reminded you before the International community as to what your obligations are it and you can only respond with threats, and more threats. Argentina is on the best terms with its neighbors. The best ever, and will continue to do so, principally with Brazil.
This article reminds us of the importance that Brazil considers its relationship with Argentina. It is its most important and is clearly demonstrating it.
Mr. Cameron being scolded of his Country’s obligations as a UN Signatory prior to walking away to his corner and cry.
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once again, we say nothing bad,
but again its how you interprit it,
the only country that is being agrssive is argentina,
and that is a noted fact,
“you only can think of war and violence as a solution”
Wrong.
Argentina thought of violence and war as a solution in 1982.
The only way violence would be used by the UK in this context is if Argentina attacked the Falkland Islands .
“Argentina has recently reminded you before the International community as to what your obligations are”
The UK's obligations are to respect the Islanders rights under the United Nations Charter to self-determination and to resist Argentine imperialism.
Also to respect the Islanders interests which Argentina fails to.
The UN resolutions ask Argentina and the UK to talk.
So the UK passes the Argentine Government onto the democratically elected Falkland Islands Government, whom the Argentines refuse to talk to. For the UK to talk to Argentina would be to deny the Falkland Islanders the right to self-determination, so the Uk would be acting against the UN Charter.
The resoultions also strongly infer independence (read them). Since 1982 the constitution of the Falkland Islands Government has changed 3 times to devolve more autonomy to the FIG-quite obviously heading towards,(ie not away from), independence, whilst Argentina wants to make the Falklands a province, which is not in the Islanders 'interests, and the Argentine solution is not moving the FI towards the Independence direction.
No. You are the ones who came up with war as a solution.
There are Falkland Islanders who remember having Argentine guns pointed at them as children. Don't presume to lecture us about 'war and violence'.
I thought the Brazilians were your new-found friends-at-arms!?!
All that mutual gun-caressing and measuring in vain, you say?
Than sucking exhaust pipes.
Since long time ago and especially last week KaMoron didn’t miss any photo opportunity to show how close was Britain to Brazil, how Britain invests in Brazil, how Britain collaborated in military terms with Brazil, etc, etc.
Now what reality says?
That KaMoron foreigner policy to SA is the worse ever and that by refusing to sit to talk with Argentina will isolate even more Britain from one of the more dynamics and growing region in the world.
If that is not enough recession is hitting Britain again and financial Tsunami is closer than ever.
Is that Britain situation in economic and political terms is so wonderful to deprive Britons from a source of jobs, growth and financial stability?
I guess not...
Time will tell...
“ by refusing to sit to talk with Argentina will isolate even more Britain from one of the more dynamics and growing region in the world.”
That might apply to Brazil but the terms dynamic and growing do not apply accurately to Argentina.
As the British position ( on not talking to Argentina without the agreement of the locals) has been consistent for many years, why is the UK not already isolated?
@105 Are you a New Zealander, Gob-a-Kiwi?
@109 Let's get a few things straight. We call argieland a “nothing place” because........it's a nothing place. And sinking. Now, I don't use multiple accounts. I just tell it like it is. And the way it is is this: Britain took possession of the Falklands in 1690 and made its formal claim of sovereignty in 1765. Nobody objected because there was no-one to object. Even the French, arriving in 1764, realised that they couldn't claim sovereignty because of prior British possession for 74 years. Gloss over the subsequent 217 years and Britain fought a war, prompted by attempted theft, and won it. International law from time immemorial says that, when you fight a war, whatever you end up in possession of is yours. Case closed. And yet we get argtards and their lickspittle “friends” on here trying to set all that at naught. We're not going to lose another 255 servicemen. So if the argtards won't see reason, we're going to have to move to a position where there are no argtards to be unreasonable. At this stage, we are trying to make them see sense. And even the most mild-mannered person will eventually see red when an ignoramus continues to argue that black is white. But your final statement is correct.
@117 I'll be glad to lead the charge. Will you have the guts to be there to receive it? But perhaps you have trouble with history? The “other party” didn't stand up, they lay down, i.e. surrendered. We know OUR obligations. YOU seem to have forgotten YOURS.
@125 Happy to meet you on a real battlefield, mouthy. Where I can rip your guts out and make you eat them!
As you haven't condemned the violence by Argentina in 1982 yet , it is you surrounded by smoke blown up from your backside.
Like it when Argentine soldiers were nasty to Falkland Islands children and defenceless Falkland Islanders on Pebble Island in 1982 did you?
Different matter when the SAS arrived wasn't it?
Its different for you when the Argentines perpetrate violence like rubbing out thousands of their own people and invading a practically defenseless people in 1982 isn't it? Then some of that smoke blowing around you hides Argentine violence.
Your country's problem is you don't have the guts to fight the British, because your country only likes violence towards native indians and people who can't defend themselves.
Its a different matter when Britain turns up to give Argentine bullies a good kicking, then all of a sudden Argentina is a peace loving natiion. Pffffffttt!
Interersting that because the Islanders were not abused by the British the don't count as colonised anymore, but the RGs still peddle the lie that the civilian population in 1833 were kicked off by the Royal Navy. 1833 needs to be shown graphically to the UN because it is the only tenous argument the Argentines now deploy, ie the transplanted bullsh1t.
Ingleses odiosos!
Viva FALKLANDS
ARGENTINAS odiosos!
Clyde, you really shouldn't stoop to this level. The pair of you sound like five-year-olds. It's best to ignore posters with nothing worthwhile to say; to the contrary we get more shit than substance in the thread.
Yes, right. But I still feel it's best to ignore the lunatic fringe.
Cheers!
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