Tuesday, October 9th 2012 - 04:11 UTC

Brazil strongly supports Argentina Falklands’ claim at defence ministers’ summit

Brazil came out strongly in support of Argentina’s sovereignty claims over the Falklands/Malvinas Islands and criticized British military exercises in the Islands during his speech on Monday to the Americas Defence ministers’ conference taking place in Punta del Este, Uruguay.

Minister Celso Amorim, one of the historic controversies of our continent

“In the framework of examining defence and security issues, Brazil considers inescapable that this conference addresses the fair claims of Argentina over the Malvinas Islands…as has already happened with Mercosur, Unasur and Celac”, said Brazilian Defence minister Celso Amorim. “This is one of the historic controversies pending of our continent”.

Amorin also made reference to his Argentine peer Arturo Puricelli complaints regarding UK military exercises in the Malvinas region scheduled to last until October 19.

“We are concerned with exercises which involve the firing of missiles, as is currently happening in the Islands”, said Amorim according to the copy of his speech distributed to the press since the conference sessions are behind closed doors.

“It should be expected that the conference calls on both sides (Argentina and the UK) to begin negotiations, following on the terms iterated by the UN General Assembly” concluded the Brazilian minister in his support speech for Argentina.

Amorim also rejected the concept of a continental defence system arguing that cooperation among countries in the Americas on this issue should be founded on “new premises” mainly since the Cold War is behind and “we have the conformation of a multi-polar world”.

“To diminish errors and increase correct answers we must adapt to the changes that have occurred in the world and in our region”, added Amorim.

“And today an anachronism: if we wanted to have a really inter American system, we continue to isolate Cuba”, underlined the Brazilian minister.

However “in today’s world it is prudent to avoid any kind of action that could have an incidence over the primary competences of the UN Security Council, which despite its limitations and shortfalls, remains the main body in issues of peace and security”.

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1 slattzzz (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 04:35 am Report abuse
They still don't get it do they speak to the Islanders not the UK fuckwits!!!!! Why so worried about a self defence missle that has a range of 4 miles, hardly a threat to the South American mainland is it, unless the SSN is launching Tomahawks of course, OOPS did I say that
2 Boovis (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 04:51 am Report abuse
They still haven't said what they're negotiating! If Argentina gets the islands, what do the islanders or the UK get in return?
As repeated ad nauseam in the past on these boards, if the Argie constitution states the only outcome can be the total handover of the islands to them, then what point is there in talking at all?
Without resorting to being offensive or abusive, can someone from Argentina please respond to this with logic?
3 slattzzz (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 05:20 am Report abuse
Everytime a Latam country does a live missle firing anywhere in the South Atlantic we should complain vigously about provocation over the Falkland Islands, this excludes rgenweener of course because I doubt if they could do one, they don't do regular military exercises either apparently :o ). And as for the Brazilian defence minister, he makes this statement whilst his warships are currently conducting Naval exercises, including live gun firings in the South Carribean with, wait for it HMS Dauntless, smacks of double standards to me, unless its of course just to shut his nuisance neighbours up........for now.
4 damian (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 06:07 am Report abuse
The subject is off the table thanks to the USA, Canada and the Caribbean Islands. Brazil can rest easy that this 'peace area' is not being discussed and pretend to support their neighbours whilst plans for their nuclear submarines continue!
5 Lord Ton (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 07:50 am Report abuse
What terms “iterated by the General Assembly” ?? There aren't any live Resolutions left!
6 Steveu (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 08:00 am Report abuse
Soothing words for the spoilt child

Brasil can't be stupid enough to realise that the exercises are no threat surely?
7 eteega (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 09:06 am Report abuse
Gratuitous political rhetoric to be used as a salve to massage CK's ego and political stature; this technique is standard comment for all SA countries
who have to deal with the person who is leading Argentina to economic failure and massive infation.
CK has never understood the game of chess and only thinks one move ahead without any consideration of ther knock-on effects of her decisions.
In the meantime, all SA countries will continue massaging her ego with “gratuitous rhetoric” concerning the Falklands and the islanders should understand this and not be concerned.
8 DanyBerger (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 09:32 am Report abuse
As Mr Celso Amorim has correctly said its very dangerous that a so little population launch missiles and perform Military Exercises in SA.

The free western world should take note of that and send a strong message to the provocative Islanders, that such behaviour will not be tolerate by the democratic nations of SA and even military sanction could be applied.

We are democratic, they are not, we respect the rule of law, they don’t, we believe in democracy they don’t, as such of our values are endanger for a extremist militarise society that still want to live in the middle age by having a kingdom we strongly should defended freedom and western values.
9 Ken Ridge (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 10:07 am Report abuse
@8 what a load of twaddle, if FI want's to conduct military excersises within it own territory then so be it, the rest of SA should mind it's own business.
10 slattzzz (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 10:12 am Report abuse
Thanks for that input Dany very intelligant NOT. What military sanction could you impose idiot?
You are democratic.....yeah right your newspapers told what to say by the state
You respect the law........yeah right, since when?
The free western world don't give a toss what Regenweener thinks!
Enjoy your soon to be North Korean values.
Don't forget what your own defence minister said earlier in the year “if it wasn't for the British military on the Islands we would be there by now”
One cock up after another take your blinkers off, you will never win the Islands by force, NEVER. And then some losers
11 agent999 (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 10:14 am Report abuse
Kindergarten is out - Dunny and Malen are back
12 kelperabout (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 10:29 am Report abuse
Brazillians you are running yellow. Absolutly petrified of the Argentines. Shame on you. Three thousand of us have mor guts then you do. Stand up and be counted because one day it will be your Country Argentina takes.
In Truth the whole of Latin America is weak when it comes to Argentina.
I know . you donn't want to upset your neighbours who you live along side. Well stop for a seccond and think about the us we are also your neighbours. seperated only by an ocean just as we are from Argentina.
13 Boovis (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 10:47 am Report abuse
@8: Kingdoms are mediaeval? Here are the top 20 countries for Human Development in the world, let's play ”count the constitutional monarchies and states with royal heads:
Norway 0.943 ()
Australia 0.929 ()
Netherlands 0.910 ()
United States 0.910 ()
New Zealand 0.908 ()
Canada 0.908 ()
Ireland 0.908 ()
Liechtenstein 0.905 ()
Germany 0.905 ()
Sweden 0.904 ()
Switzerland 0.903 ()
Japan 0.901 ()
Hong Kong 0.898 ( 1)
Iceland 0.898 ( -1)
South Korea 0.897 ()
Denmark 0.895 ()
Israel 0.888 ()
Belgium 0.886 ()
Austria 0.885 ()
France 0.884 ()

I count 10 out of 20, 50% of the tally. DB you clearly know nothing at all.
14 ChrisR (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 10:49 am Report abuse
Brasil have a prat as the finance minister and a cnut as the defence minister.

Hang on, am I writing about the country that has just signed a defence agreement with the UK AND is buying ships and British Technology, YES I am.

Wonder if the cnut Amorim knows what is going on in his own department.
15 Alexei (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 10:54 am Report abuse
So, the Brazilian defence minister is now frightened like an Argie too, poor thing, of some defensive anti-aircraft missiles, which have a range of just a few miles, and which are hundreds of miles from Brazil? Presumably he's worried they might drift off course, be carried on a breeze and land somewhere in São Paulo?

Don't the Brazilian military test any of their weapons? Presumably the nuclear sub they're so keen to get their hands on, will have girls in skimpy bikinis dancing on top of it, and will launch flower petals instead of missiles, as it's towed through the Praça da Apoteose to the sound of Samba?
16 kelperabout (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 10:56 am Report abuse
If Argentina had not invaded the Falkland Islands 1n 1982 in the first place there would be no British military training going on in the seccond place. If Argentina stopped it's aggression towards us we would not need the military presence of Great Britain in the third place.

So long as their is a threat to our existance we Falkland islanders will always have the British Forces here to stop Argentine agression spilling over into another pointless war. Did Argentina learn nothing from the last bloody nose they got and given we were undefended then what chance do you have of repeating that again. The old saying . Once bitten....
17 4quk (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 11:30 am Report abuse
@16 We are not Germany and we are not Japan, We don't going to ask for apologies. We going to move forward. UK will be like Israel, will never have peace.
You are like a horses, los vamos atar al palenque y domarlos hasta que queden mansos y tiernos. Drop to drop until we broken the rock.
18 M_of_FI (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 11:35 am Report abuse
I am not sure who Dny is referring to in his post! I am sure because of his background it is the Falklands/Britain, but the actual words he is saying suggests it is Argentina!

How are Argentina more democratic than the Falklands/Britain? Your lovely, corrupt, and plastic surgery loving President is trying to change your country's constitution so she can stay in power! Democracy...Chavez style.
19 gustbury (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 11:57 am Report abuse
South America our region, increasingly united !! get out pirates!!
20 Clyde15 (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 12:06 pm Report abuse
Keep on believing it - that's all you have got !
21 gustbury (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 12:19 pm Report abuse
20 clyde15 also I have something for you here hahahaha!!(between my legs)
22 Conqueror (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 12:25 pm Report abuse
@8 Dummy. The British forces are exercising. As they have every right to do. And it's not happening in South America, it's happening in the South Atlantic. As it has done every year for the last 30 years. Ever since argieland, without provocation or warning, invaded a group of peaceful islands. Perhaps argieland should remember that, after any armed conflict, any territory occupied by the victor belongs to the victor. As for “democracy” you don't know what it is and you don't have it. As witness your previous and current dictator's attempt to start a dynasty. But for NK's timely but overdue demise, the Ks would be swapping the “presidency” back and forth. But the “Cream Cake” will be next!
@17 Really? You mean you call yourself something else. But that's only to avoid confusion, isn't it? Let's see now. Nazi Germany used its own troops in Polish uniforms to provide an excuse for unprovoked military invasion. Japan carried out an unprovoked military attack on the United States military base in Pearl Harbor, Hawaii. After “the war” German Nazi war criminals fled to, guess where? Argieland. Where they received a warm, friendly welcome because Peron thought that the Nazis were going to win “the war” and had been promised whatever territories he wanted from the defeated British Empire. Except it didn't work out like that and Peron had to do an abrupt about-turn and join the Allies. In the latter part of the 20th century, argieland started by establishing a covert and illegal naval base on Thule Island (British). It then carried out a clandestine, covert, illegal and unprovoked invasion of South Georgia (British). And then an illegal and unprovoked invasion of the Falkland Islands (British). During its occupation, it carried out many acts that were and are illegal under international law. And you are different from the Germany and Japan of the 30s and 40s....how?
23 Islander1 (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 12:29 pm Report abuse
DannyB and Gustbury- do get a grip with reality please! Brazil is your neighbour and needs to try and get along reasonably well with you - despite all the silly Arg inspired border and customs fracas that annoy Brazil.
Also Brazil has always supported your claim.
At the same time Brazil is a growing tradong ally with Uk (and the rest of europe) and links with Uk are growing quite rapidly in science/tecnology co-operation - and defence.
After all whose Navy met up with and exercised with HMS Dauntless a few weeks ago aff Brazil? Remember the ship all you folks jumped up and down screaming like demented demons about.
Its called maintaining a political balance - Dilma does NOT want your demented maniac phoning her every night from the Casa Rosada screaming into her ear!!
At the end of the day Brazil is interested in TRADE- and good relations with BOTH.
They after all were quite happy with FI Observers at that Parliamentary Conference the other week!
24 gustbury (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 12:39 pm Report abuse
23 Islander1-The only reality is that the islands are part of Argentina and Britain is usurping ilegalmente.You being islander are so Argentine like me! greetings my friend
25 Musky (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 12:45 pm Report abuse
@24 gustbury
Nonsense. The reality you talk of is in your head. Congratulations to the argentine government and education system for brainwashing so thoroughly.
26 Benson (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 12:46 pm Report abuse
@24 That's your reality, it's what we call fantasy.
27 gustbury (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 12:53 pm Report abuse
Then it seems that we are several here with brainwashed.!!!
28 kelperabout (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 12:58 pm Report abuse
24 gustbury (#)
Ah ha so maybe you Argentines are actually Falkland islanders then given that you claim us to be Argentines. Fact is we are British Kelpers and proud with no history whatsoever of having murdered an indigenous people to become Falkland Islanders.
24 gustbury (#) your ancestors have let you down badley and because you are brought up in a virtual communistic way you have never been allowed to know the truth about ou. Your history books , school books, library books et. all have the same fault most of the truth has been removed.
I sugest you try to get your government to tell you the real truth about your history and then come back to us with your thoughts.
Believe it or not Falkland Islanders have been taught a great many things about the wide world so we are very fluent with what is really happening.
What is nice from your comment you are actually entering a dialogue with a Falkland islander now that is a very positive move on your part seeing the rest of your Government believes we do not actually exist.
29 Simon68 (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 01:05 pm Report abuse
24 gustbury (#)
Oct 09th, 2012 - 12:39 pm

“You being islander are so Argentine like me!”

There is a slight difference, gustbury, Islander1 lives where:

Inflation is 2% rather than 25%,
A person doesn't have to lock their car or home,
Everybody has the right to express themselves freely without fear of the AFIP,
Antbody can buy any currency they like without asking for permission,
They drive on the left,
Their official currency is Falkland pounds stirling,
There is no coercion by peronists or La Campora, etc.

So I think you are very out of touch with reality, gustbury, we live in a totally different world to Islander1, Monty69, Isolde, Joe Bloggs and the rest of the Falklanders, and unfortunately for us their world is a great deal better than ours is now and certainly as it will be in the near future!!!!!!!
30 Pete Bog (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 01:20 pm Report abuse
“We are concerned with exercises which involve the firing of missiles, as is currently happening in the Islands”

Has this berk been advised by his defence staff that short range surface to air missiles with the range of 4 miles are a threat to South America?

I thought politicians in the UK were stupid but this takes the biscuit,as they seem to posssess more than this guy's one brain cell.

Perhaps he too, thinks UK princes in unarmed yellow helicoptera are a strategic threat to South America.

Next he'll come out with some crap that the British evicted South American civilian settlers from the Falkland Islands in 1833.

31 TipsyThink (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 01:46 pm Report abuse
Brítish are like landed fly at the edgé of America Continént.

Brítish has no álone ability to combat úsing tactíc/strategic/lógistic/intelligence against doméstic powers.
32 4quk (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 01:49 pm Report abuse
@22 We are not Germany and Japan. We will not apologize, and we will not bow down. Las Malvina have today the same amount of usurpers than 1948 goo.gl/HRUoJ in the next years Las Malvinas will be nothing, no oil and geopolitical unimportant goo.gl/WfXkQ ;)
33 M_of_FI (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 01:52 pm Report abuse
Senior Gusts, it is quite amusing to me that you lecture what reality actually is... you state the Falklands are Argentine, but in fact that are governed and administered by the people who live there... your reality that try educate us with is more wishful thinking on your part.

Is the Falklands part of Argentina? No.
Is the Falklands governed and administered by Argentina. No.

Your reality does not match what actually is occuring. But please, tell me again that I am living in a fantasy world. Tell me from your perch in Argentina how things actually happen in the Falklands, where I currently type from. Please Senior Gusts, tell me again. I will try and collaborate your reality with what I can see with my eyes.
34 slattzzz (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 02:04 pm Report abuse
Brítish has no álone ability to combat úsing tactíc/strategic/lógistic/intelligence against doméstic powers.
Well try it then Tipsydick and you'll be most surprised what we can do, and from a long way off. I bet our intelligance knows more about your country than you do, which judging by your comments wouldn't be difficult.
@32 your right they had the ability to do what they did because they weren't a bunch of spineless surrender monkeys and had the military to back up there words. If come next year there is no oil you will no longer be interested am I right? And you WILL bow down (AGAIN) sooner rather than later trust me.
35 Leifur_Heppni (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 02:05 pm Report abuse
South American style of politics: saying one thing and doing another, then 5 min. later again changing the words and actually not doing anything, just blaa, blaa, blaa...

You can't take these countries seriously.

But it's true what someone said: Brazil has no balls.
36 Pete Bog (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 02:06 pm Report abuse
“Brítish are like landed fly at the edgé of America Continént”

Just as the Spanish flies landed in the South American continent .

37 4quk (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 02:15 pm Report abuse
@34 Drop to drop until broken the rock. ;)
38 slattzzz (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 02:18 pm Report abuse
@37 whatever
39 ChrisR (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 02:48 pm Report abuse
37 4quk

I have lived in Uruguay for 19 months and am learning LatAm Spanish.

Even my embryonic espanol beats your google translated 'English' mixed up with espanol.

You are unintelligible. Please find another translation programme so we can have a chance at understanding what you write.

WTF does ‘drop to drop until broken the rock’ mean?
40 Eddieposted (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 02:50 pm Report abuse
Why doesn't Brazil whine about French Guiana next door.
41 Islas Malvinas (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 03:01 pm Report abuse
The US, World Power, supports UK - Argentina´s negotiations over sovereignty.

Brazil, the Regional Power not only emcourages negotiations but supports Argentina´s sovereignty rights over the islands.

Argentina has the support of multiple international organizations that have been repeatedly urging the UK to negotiate to settle the dispute.

How long will the cross colonial power in decline be able to maintain control over Malvinas? That´s the question.
42 Islander1 (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 03:01 pm Report abuse
Gustbury- hello friend! History!! - the trouble with that is each of us can put forward our case as how we see it - and I dont think we will agree!!
200years ago the world was full of imperialism - Spanish-British- French - Dutch - German - and that,s just a selection!
Events like 1770 when Spain threw the Brits out of the Islands and 1833 when the Brits threw out the militia(not civilians)0ut of what was to become the future Argentina - that was the way nations solved their problems in those days!
Do we re-write the entire world map? Give ALL South American nations back to the indigenous Indians and all you folks go back to Europe beacaues that was where your ancestors came from? Do the same with USA,Canada and Mexico etc? Send the folks who live in the Carribean back to Africa etc?
That is the logic of a TERRITORAL claim based on who claims who did what to who 200 or more years ago!!
Really I cannot think of a better way of starting World War 3 - can you?
Fortunatley we now live in the 21st century! Colonialism has gone
from where it was not wanted - and that includes the Islands.
Today the principles that guide the free civilized world are those of Human Rights! Would you deny us ours - to live in peace in the lands we have developed and built up over 200years, and to be governed by those we choose and freely elect?
43 Benson (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 03:09 pm Report abuse
Brazil may offer platitudes but I'll not be worried until they start offering tangible support (which I can't see happening).
44 Islas Malvinas (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 03:28 pm Report abuse
@43 Not allowing vessels carrying the illegal “Falklands flag” and battleships to dock on Brazilian ports are not tangible support, then?


What do you need to touch to understand the support is tangible?
45 GFace (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 03:39 pm Report abuse
@41 Entangled alliances means the US Gov has to maintain ambiguity much as it has to over the Republic of China but it is well known that the US supports the rights of the Taiwanese to their own sovereignty rather than living under Beijing's tank treads like Tibet has to. The US from a diplomacy standpoint has no problem with saying that Argentina and the UK “talk.” But it becomes clear that Argentina has no interest in talking as soon as they realize that they must talk to the people whose necks they stood on in 1982 when they nakedly violated their fundamental human rights. If Argentina cannot do that, then there is no point. It was clear in 82 that the US disfavored you imposing your dirty war and military dictatorship on a new group of people who were considerably more free than those who lived under the Junta - not to mention a people under the protection of a more reliable ally who didn't kidnap children of dissidents and give them to cronies or drop political opponents naked from helicopters in freezing water. And it's clear now that the views of the Falkland Islanders are to continue as is. That trumps all. You can talk, but you can't ignore the rights of the people you recently tried to crush. And if Argentina cannot talk to these people while at the UN as they refused to do this summer than they are clearly violating one of the key requisites of such talks, the will and interests of the inhabitants -- then it is clear that they have not changed since 1982 (especially now that they have a coin celebrating the Junta's forcing their dirty war down the Falkland Islander's throats).
46 Islander1 (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 03:47 pm Report abuse
IsMalv- had to spoil it but vessesls flying the FI Flag did quietly go to Brazil after that mercosur declaration!
47 Islas Malvinas (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 03:53 pm Report abuse
@46 Did they dare to illegaly go to Brazil with the illegal flag?
48 Conor J (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 04:03 pm Report abuse
@47 Why would we? When we first landed on the island in the 1690's and when we reclaimed the islands in 1833 the entire area known as Brazil was the property of Portugal and her empire. We were allies with Portugal and have been for over a thousand years. Why would we attack our allies and close friends unprovoked without reason? Who do you think we are? Argentines perhaps?
49 kelperabout (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 04:13 pm Report abuse
48 Conor J (#)
Correction here sunshine your lot did not exist as Argentina in 1690 get your facts right you moron.
Likewise it is impossible to have been allies with portugal for over a thousand years . Argentina is barely 200 years old.
What a load of stuff you fellows dream up to support your claim.
50 Islas Malvinas (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 04:17 pm Report abuse
In 1833 Brazil was an Empire istelf, not property of Portugal.

“Why would we attack our allies and close friends unprovoked without reason?”
The UK attacked and invaded Argentina in 1806, 1807, 1833 and 1845.
We think you are British, a nation with a long history invading and attacking other peoples around the world. You are a menace in our continent.
51 Conor J (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 04:21 pm Report abuse
Er Sir I'm not an Argentine! Im British and support our claim and you Islanders through self determination, I was saying to Mr Malvinas in a different comment @41 that the UK has always been an ally of Portugal and Brazil while he was saying that the UK was a declining power. Read through the previous comments to understand what I mean. In comment 48 I was pointing out to him that there is no reason for the UK to attack Brazil as a result of our longstanding friendship. Notice the way I took the piss out of Argentina at the end of my comment as Argentina has a history of surprise and attacks on friend and neighbours.
52 Islas Malvinas (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 04:24 pm Report abuse
@51 I love the history of neighbouring love and friendship bettween UK and Ireland.
53 Conor J (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 04:35 pm Report abuse
When I referred to Portugal sir I was referring to Brazils Portugese language culture and tradition, no to mention that Brazil was still under the influence of Portugal and its Monarchy right up to 1889. Menace to our continent? Its not your continent sir it belonged to the natives who have mostly been murdered or displaced by you lot.

1806: Part of the Spanish empire when we attacked and it was provoked and you weren't a people either so you cant complain.
1807: Same as before.
1833: No such place as Argentina and we weren't attacking we were reclaiming what was ours.
1845: Well you were our enemy back then so you know. But do you notice these conflicts weren't unprovoked any way how ca you talk Argentina is only as large as it is because large tracks of land were taken from Uruguay, Chile, Brazil etc. Oh do you also remember 1982? Oh btw you will never posses or islands you have tried everything and it has all failed.
54 Islas Malvinas (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 04:45 pm Report abuse
@53 What? Stop reading British Fairy Tails.

We´ll keep trying. We´ll be back.
55 Conor J (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 04:48 pm Report abuse
Really how are you going to keep trying? Do tell I'am most intrigued.
56 Islas Malvinas (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 04:57 pm Report abuse
@55 Wait. Patience is the virtue of the strong.
57 Conor J (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 05:04 pm Report abuse
Really? Are you sure? Not only is your claim nonsense but you have been waiting for 179 years and nothing has changed. Thats only a few years less then Argentina's actual time on this earth. How patient can you be? LOL
58 inthegutter (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 05:16 pm Report abuse
#54 You say “British fairy tales” that Argentina didn't exist before 1831, I say “Well established and universally accepted fact”. The United Provinces formed in 1810, the Argentine confederation broke off in 1831 before becoming the republic in 1861. If you don't even understand your own history how can you even claim that the fictional Malvinas Islands belong to you. Oh... I forget Argentina has existed since time immemorial.

Yep, we invaded in 1806, and 1807. We were fighting against your colonial masters who'd been usurped by a little French despot.
59 ynsere (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 05:38 pm Report abuse
Conor J @ 53
Just for the record:
Brazil became independent to Portugal in 1822, after the event known as “Grito de Ipiranga”.
Argentina attempted repeatedly to take all Uruguay's territory several times in the 19th Century, unsuccessfully. The only arguably Uruguayan territory in Argentine hands today is the tiny island of Martín García, but it was not taken by force. It was negotiated away by Uruguay as part of the Treaty of the River Plate, in the 1970s.
As far as I know Argentina has been unsuccessful in taking land from Chile, and has never attempted to take any from Brazil. Paraguay did lose large tracts of its territory to Argentina after the War of the Triple Alliance.
The above, however, has nothing to do with the Falkland Islands, which are British territory and should remain so until the population decides otherwise.
60 TipsyThink (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 05:44 pm Report abuse
1983 : Britáin invaded by Indians

1987 : Britáin invaded by Bengalis

1988 : Britáin invaded by Pakistanis

1990 : Britain invaded by Jamaicans.

i am not well aware of Brítish History evénts
you may correct if the dátes are not trué.
61 Leifur_Heppni (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 05:46 pm Report abuse
Argentina hasn't really won a single war in its history. In the Falklands war they had all the cards, still losing it in record time with major casualties.

and they even have celebration day for it!!!???!!??for a lost war!
In my country we only have celebration days for the wars we have won, and we haven't lost any.

The independence war against Spain wasn't even a real war, since Napoleon had invaded Spain, so how could you not win it?
62 TipsyThink (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 05:51 pm Report abuse
yoú live in fántasy world.

the invásion kinds have very changed.

keep sleeping on.
63 Arifu Gobakuwi (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 05:52 pm Report abuse
How can a country that started as one and now amount to three equally failed states which have never in their history been wealthy, won anyhting in sport, or have a far lower living standard that the argentines celebrate anything?
64 TipsyThink (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 05:55 pm Report abuse
..not three equally failed státes..

four équally failed states ,Britain/Wales/Scotland/N.Ireland.
65 inthegutter (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 05:57 pm Report abuse
#63 huh, what countries are you talking about?
66 Arifu Gobakuwi (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 05:58 pm Report abuse

Yes, them too. But they did at least have wealth at one point. They have won nothing in sport, true enough. Except 2003 which was a once in a eon quantum physical mistake.
67 TipsyThink (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 05:58 pm Report abuse
maybe talking about Canada/N.Zealand/Australia.
68 Arifu Gobakuwi (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 06:04 pm Report abuse
No, they are not capable of hosting a world cup. Nor would they be dumb enough to pretend to be able to organize a world cup only to have the humiliation of then losing it.
69 inthegutter (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 06:15 pm Report abuse
#63 #64 #66 #67 #68 What the hell are you guys talking about? England itself has an far superior sporting record to Argentina, unless of course your only metric is Football World Cups. Not to mention virtually every other metric of what makes a country “better”.
70 Arifu Gobakuwi (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 06:17 pm Report abuse

That's the only metric the world cares about, just happens to be so.
71 inthegutter (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 06:33 pm Report abuse
#70 hahaha... when you say “world” you mean South America right. I'm pretty sure the >1 billion people in India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, and Bangladesh care much more about Cricket. Not to mention the hundreds of millions of us who favour Rugby over football. And finally the billions who tuned in to watch the Olympics.

Arrogance and delusions of their country's greatness appear to be a common flaw amongst the Argentine posters here.
72 Arifu Gobakuwi (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 06:41 pm Report abuse
The World Cup is 1000 times more important than even a Cricket Galactic final, rugby is a fringe sport in west Europe, Oceania, and South Africa. The olympics are full of drugs, cheating, and politics.

World Cup is the most pure measure. When Aliens land on Earth it will be at half time of a world cup final, not during a 6N or a t2o, or the Syncronized Swimming for quadraplegics.
73 inthegutter (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 06:49 pm Report abuse
#72 as I said, perhaps that statement is true to you but it is certainly not true to vast swathes of the human population of this planet (including the U.S.). Again a twinkling of the Argentine arrogance.

I suspect if Aliens did land, and decided to reveal themselves at a sporting event, they'd choose the opening ceremony of the Olympics - an event which includes representatives of every country in the world, and has higher viewing figures than the World Cup final.

Of course perhaps they'd just go introduce themselves to that years Nobel laureates instead (of which 116 have been British, how many have been Argentine by the way?).
74 Arifu Gobakuwi (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 07:00 pm Report abuse
Al Gore has a nobel prize and I rest my case.
75 Steve-32-uk (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 07:01 pm Report abuse
The UK is nearer to Africa, than Uruguay or Brazil or Buenos Aires are to the FI. Hopefully this will put things in perspective for out RG posters. See for yourself Dany B ...

South America doesn't own the South Atlantic ocean and has no say in what island nations in the South Atlantic do. This story is almost laughable.
76 Fred (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 07:08 pm Report abuse
A support just to keep economic relationship running. Although discussing the issue in UN is necessary. Otherwise this “word fights” will continue forever.
77 Arifu Gobakuwi (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 07:10 pm Report abuse

And which legal document indicates the UK owning it?
78 slattzzz (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 07:11 pm Report abuse
TiT returns as arifu gobbycunti, good try tit think of another name
79 agent999 (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 07:14 pm Report abuse
I always thought the Argentinians were interested in the Olympic games
80 inthegutter (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 07:15 pm Report abuse
#74 I don't get your point about Al Gore. He, and the IPCC, received it for their environmental activism. Obama on the other hand, that was just plain odd.

At the same time it's difficult to argue that the prizes for Science do not reward real achievement, and the U.K. certainly outstrip Argentina's 3 by a factor of 30.
81 Arifu Gobakuwi (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 07:22 pm Report abuse
Why do you try putting Argentina down as a nothing place however? I don't get it.
82 toooldtodieyoung (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 07:23 pm Report abuse
#63 #64 #66 #67 #68

These “failed” states you keep gibbering about. wouldn't happen to be the starting point of the modern world and birth place of the industrial revolution would they?

The birth place of democracy ( you may have missed that one as half the countries in LATAM don't use it, or only use it in name )

Birth place of the greatest empire the world has ever seen.

and has given the world the most widely used language ever known?

and the greatest poet/ playwright in the world?

and the founder of the most widely used food stuff in the history of the world?

are those the “failed” states you were talking about?
83 Arifu Gobakuwi (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 07:28 pm Report abuse
Funny, the world calls it “Athenian Democracy”, not “Londinian democracy”.

Funny, all the books (including by British authors), call it ”Rome: the greatest empire in the history of Earth). Maybe the 1000 year over 150 year difference in lifespan has something to do with it.

I'll give you this one reluctantly, it is only the most widely used because of the population of Earth today and communication. Had French or Latin been in the same era it would be the same. Nothing special about Vulgar German.

Finest playright? Ok, if it makes you “gay”.

No idea about the last one.
84 Clyde15 (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 07:31 pm Report abuse
A dose of the clap or third degree piles.? Just about right for an Argie.

“The olympics are full of drugs, cheating, and politics”
Why do I keep thinking of Maradona - isn't he Argentinian ?
Didn't he play in the World Cup - that tournament noted for its fair play and lack of corruption
85 briton (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 07:32 pm Report abuse
We see the Nuts are out .

no ceeegar then .
86 inthegutter (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 07:32 pm Report abuse
#81 That's a bit hypocritical considering your statements. For the record, I haven't put Argentina down. I have just stated some things that are true: the U.K. has contributed much more to Science and World Cup success is not the only metric of sporting ability, and certainly not one agreed by much of the worlds population.

Argentina is undeniably a country with a beautiful landscape and many positive cultural attributes. However, the attitude of its government (and by extension some of its citizenry, especially those represented here) toward the Falkland Islanders is aggressive and hypocritical. This however appears understandable given the need of the government to distract the population from the ailing economy and the indoctrination and lies fed to Argentine students.
87 Think (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 07:39 pm Report abuse
(82) toooldtodieyoung

Greece.....ημοκρατία (dēmokratía)

Mongolia. (25% of the world population under the mongol empire)


Neruda! (Göethe and Shakespeare close seconds)

Rice? (it can't be bread cos' the Asians don't eat bread.......)
88 Steve-32-uk (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 07:39 pm Report abuse
@78 Agreed.
@ TiT aka Arifu Gobakuwi, you seriously need to get a new hobby, it's not your job to defend your country.
@77 TiT
No idea what you are talking about?
89 Arifu Gobakuwi (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 07:42 pm Report abuse

Fair enough. I think of Ben Johnson, Lance Armstrong, Marion Jones... all the biggest cheaters in world sport seem to be Anglo.

And those are merely the ones caught. If you were an impartial observer, given the fact that after every Olympics some gold medallist is caught in having cheated, woudn't you cast serious doubts into all of the other athletes?


Sabotage of their opponents, I could go on and on.

To be fair I am sure Russia and China cheat just as much with illegal chemicals... so how can anyone honestly use the Olympics to put down any other country that does not win medals as often?

It is an atrocious idea.
90 briton (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 07:50 pm Report abuse
Meanwhile back on blogg..!
91 Conor J (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 07:51 pm Report abuse
Oh dear Mr Think.

Mongolia? Thats nothing British empire:
Over 33 million Squared KM-Largest ever
22.63% of the worlds surface-Largest ever
438 million people out of 2.2 billion-Largest ever
You will see that the Mongol empire is below Britannia.

The most widely used language language is chinese only by a small amount, for day to day use, business, international trade and for being the most widely known language English is the universal language not Chinese.

The best playwright is obviously Shakespeare as almost everyone has heard of him plus he has outsold all other playwrights in history. Neruda? I had to google that, how many other people do you think know him?

It's actually the Bread which is the most consumed which in turn is followed by the most favoured snack the Great British sandwich.
92 toooldtodieyoung (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 07:53 pm Report abuse
83 Arifu Gobakuwi

oh dear, oh dear...... well, I suppose I have to take comfort in the words of Harry Dean Stanton, who once said “Don't feel too badly about it. somethings can't be helped, some people too”

or is this a case of “because he knew a thing or two, he thought he knew it all”?

Maybe, in time, I will come to forgive your unforgivable lack of knowledge. Or maybe in time you will make me forget that you appear to have sawdust in between your ears.

In any case, you have a computer with a internet connection yes? use it to look up the answers. Then when you have come back and talk to me.... son.

85 briton

I know what you mean.......... it must be those long nights... maybe the full moon brings them out...........
93 inthegutter (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 07:53 pm Report abuse
#89 Because Olympic testing is pretty stringent these days. There are always some cheats but the number is very small. I'm sure I don't need to remind you about cheating in football given that the most famous incidence was committed by an Argentine.
94 ProRG_American (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 07:53 pm Report abuse
Brazil, a world power here and now, and this one is on the right side.
95 toooldtodieyoung (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 08:03 pm Report abuse
91 Conor J

You go to the top of the class and get a gold star as well!!!

So then, now that we are all warmed up. let me pose another question for the eager masses ( Conor J, you can sit this one out if you like. You have already shown them the way )

Given that we are all agreed how GREAT Briton is, what ( apart from a place to hide Nazi war Criminals ) has Argentina ever given the world?
96 briton (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 08:06 pm Report abuse
97 Monty69 (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 08:15 pm Report abuse
89 Arifu Gobakuwi
In what sense is Ben Johnson, a black African Canadian an 'Anglo'? Good grief , you're so inept you can't even get being racist right.
98 Think (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 08:21 pm Report abuse
(91) Conor J
CC: (95) toooldtodieyoung

The very fact that you had to Google ”Neruda” shows your Turnipidity.

The very fact that you can’t even read a Wiki article properly shows your Turnipidity....:
25% of the world population was ruled by the Mongol Empire.
20% of the world population was ruled by the British Empire.

The very fact that you ignore that more than half of the worlds population don’t eat bread (ergo: no sandwiches) shows your Turnipidity.

What a Turnip!
99 Conqueror (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 08:36 pm Report abuse
@24 Crap! Here's the reality. How many more of your compatriots' lives do you want to waste? 2,000, 5,000, 10,000, 100,000, 500,000, 1,000,000. Go for 1 million. We owe you. In 1982, you killed 255 British servicemen. That's worth a million rotting argie corpses. Then you caused the deaths of 3 Falkland Islanders. Thats worth another million rotting argie corpses. I want at least two million rotting argie corpses. Plus £50 million in reparations. Plus the execution of every argie in military service between 1975 and 1985.
@27 You don't have anything to wash!
@31 As already proved. Can beat the sh*te out of you! Next time we won't be so gentle! I want at least 30 million argies exterminated!
@32 argie nazis. Exterminate! Twice.
@37 Ram yourself down on this bayonet!
@41 Only one question has meaning! Ten thousand yeears or until every argie is dead!
@44 Falklands vessels fly the Red Ensign? Problem with Brazil?
@50 1806/1807? We had a little raid of a SPANISH territory. 1833 - Beat one of argieland's multiple identities shitless. 1845 - Did it again. 1982 - Did it again. Next time you will be exterminated.
@54 Do you have the guts to be at the front? I want to kill you! Gutless coward.
@60 Pissed again!
@64 The United Provinces of sh*te. The sh*te confederation. The sh*te republic. Cesspit of the world. Owes Britain two million rotting argie corpses.
@77 And who needs a “document”? Try this .45 calibre up your ass and aimed at where your brain is supposed to be! You need to understand your position. And be dead! If you have a problem, we'll be glad to kill you faggots.
@81 Do try to understand that you're an irrelevant faggot! Sh*te without a basket. Sh*te in deep sh*te.
@98 Look at Twinky. One of the most uneducated faggots in the world! I s it worth anything? Worth total CRAP!
100 Islander1 (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 08:38 pm Report abuse
Is.Malv.yep - at least one Falkland Islands flagged vessel - flying the F.I. flag legally registered on the international shipping registry - went into a Brazillian port with no problem.

And by the way get some other facts straight- britain NEVER invaded Argentina in 1805 and 1807- Britain attacked a SPANISH territory and Britain was at war with SPAIN. Got it? Argentina did not exist - you know that!
1833- Britain was retaking what it recognised as Br territory - again , not invading.
1845 - not sure what that was - please enlighten me?

By the way - have you asked your President yet when is she going to accept the offer made to her several months ago through your Ambassador in London,to sit down and talk?
101 THEMan (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 09:14 pm Report abuse
@77 Tobias Scotland... a failed state??? Two things are wrong with that statement.
1. Scotland is a country, and have our own devolved government (hopefully fully devolved). We are a member of the UK, but still classed as a country. So learn your geography, pal.
2 Scotland is far from a failed country. We've contributed far more to the world than Argentina has, and still, per head, has the most technically gifted people in the world, in terms of engineering, science and business. Remember all that stuff I posted to you yesterday? That was only a fraction of what we've done. Argentina on the other hand, is a laughing stock in the international community.
Your comments on rugby are funny, considering it's played competitively at a national level, in many countries across the globe, e.g. South Africa, New Zealand, Australia, Tonga, Samoa, ARGENTINA.
Look up stuff before spouting out rubbish.
102 tonto (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 09:23 pm Report abuse
Oh you good! :-)
103 Conor J (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 09:37 pm Report abuse
Now Now Think chill out.
Neruda? Like I said he is obviously nowhere near as good as Shakespeare I therefore proved you wrong.

I'am well aware that the Mongol empire had 25% of the worlds population but that was only 110 million in comparison to the UK that had 20% but it equaled over million people.

Half the worlds population don't eat bread? Not sure about that sir. Allthough the chinese eat a primary diet of mainly Rice, bread is still widely avaliable, I know this for a fact. Also you forget that the combined populations of Russia West/East Europe, North, Central, South America, Australia, New Zealand, the Middle East, West Asia and parts of Northern/Southern Africa eat bread and this equals over 3 billion+ your argument does not stand up to the 1.5 billion of east asia does it? Anyway why are we discussing this? The fact is the British Empire has had more influence on the world in general then any other empire or state. Fact.
104 Tabutos (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 09:38 pm Report abuse
@99 + 102
Good show Conqueror
well said!!
105 Arifu Gobakuwi (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 10:18 pm Report abuse
So can the Brits here give up their farcical veneer? Your moral indignation over what that TTT apparently said about Anglos is spurious behavior. Here you all are, cheering on Conqueror.

Case closed.
106 Monty69 (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 10:54 pm Report abuse
105 Arifu Gobakuwi
Thank Christ for that, you really are incredibly boring and repetitive.
107 briton (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 10:54 pm Report abuse
Case opened, not all,, not all,,
One must remember that in those days half the world did not exist.
And the world population in Mongol times were less than they are today,

We know not the total population,
But to day its about 6.5 billion, we think.
Just an imaginative thought.

History don’t ya just love it,
Did you know it has more inaccurates, as there are grains of sand on Brighton beach.
108 Martin Woodhead (#) Oct 09th, 2012 - 10:54 pm Report abuse
Its our island and you cant have it.
109 Anbar (#) Oct 10th, 2012 - 01:00 am Report abuse
Funny how these SA countries minor-politicians all play the “Lets be friends” at meaningless conferences, but whenever it gets to a serious conference or meeting, all of a sudden, its smiles & handshakes with the UK and Argentinas President walks off in a huff because the same SA countries wont back her “when it counts”.

“”“Why do you try putting Argentina down as a nothing place however? I don't get it.”“”

Nor do I.

However these boards have devolved into meaningless slagging-off matches between set-piece posters using multiple accounts to back up their own arguments.

Which is pretty pathetic on all sides.

The general level of political savy appears to be: If you slag me off, I will find something to slag you off about too.!


Meanwhile, the Falklands Islanders carry on living their lives in peace and prosperity, and good luck to them. I cant see anybody removing them at any point in a rational future.... particularly not when the oil starts flowing.

And that, ladies & gentlemen, is the cold, hard reality of politics: they got oil, they got the land: “you” don't.

“Game over man, game over.”
110 tobi_is_my_sister (#) Oct 10th, 2012 - 02:50 am Report abuse
Tobi, well, she wants everybody to call her Arifu now, came off her lithium drip last week, per Cuban doctor's orders. Now she thinks she's a Nubian princess. If you're the praying kind, say a prayer for her. Thanks.
111 toooldtodieyoung (#) Oct 10th, 2012 - 07:28 am Report abuse
98 Think

Oh, we all know that Think knows all the answers, yes he does, but the questions seem to be giving you a lot of trouble don't they?

Now that you've had your little rant. Are you going to answer my question? Or have you had enough of being proved wrong ( again ). By the way you know my comment about English being the most widely used Language in the world?

Please try to use it properly. “Turnipidity”? I don't think that is even a proper word...........

Ok. That's got that all cleared up.

What ( apart from a place to hide Nazi war Criminals ) has Argentina ever given the world?
112 UncleTed (#) Oct 10th, 2012 - 09:17 am Report abuse
My understanding is that UK fully supported the idea of Brazil's inclusion on the UN security council, but it was Argentina that scuppered it, presumeably because they will never get on it themselves. Can anyone explain why Brazil continues to support Argentina after that, whilst stabbing us in the back ? It all seemsa bit irrational but thats South Americans I suppose.
113 Leifur_Heppni (#) Oct 10th, 2012 - 01:19 pm Report abuse
yeah, that's South-America..do all yourselves a favor and stop riddling this thing too much. That's how they do it in SA. They say one thing and do another. Ofcourse that's the dogma of all politicians around the world, but even much-much more in SA. Brazil would never back it's words by any concrete action. They are “talk”

However this shows the true nature of them. You can't trust on what they say, not in good or bad.

There's a good reason why there are military drills being held. Aggressive Argentina attacked to the Islands once, and continues its hostile dialog even today. Everyone in the civilized world understands UK position, but none of them has Argentina as a neighbor like Brazil, who wants to do business with everyone.

Maybe you should have bombarded Argentina back to middle ages in the Falklands war..they were the hostile aggressor, why not punish them real good..
114 briton (#) Oct 10th, 2012 - 01:28 pm Report abuse
Very clever these Argies,
They change their name so often they forget who they are,
On another blog,
They spend hours arguing before they realised they were arguing with each other,
Very clever..
115 Pete Bog (#) Oct 10th, 2012 - 04:18 pm Report abuse
“Can anyone explain why Brazil continues to support Argentina after that, whilst stabbing us in the bac”
There is a theory that has been mentioned on these posts which might be credible-SA countries 'support' the Argentine claim to the Falklands but apart from the Chav , do not seem to be offering any military hardware toward that cause.

So could it be that they want to egg Argentina on to attack the Falklands so that the UK will eliminate the threat (or at least reduce it by splashing a few aircraft, ships and airfields) so that Argentina is less of a threat to its neighbours?
Without any hassle to Chile, Brazil etc?
116 briton (#) Oct 10th, 2012 - 05:21 pm Report abuse
if it happend, and argiland was cohersed,
then we supose that with the elimination of argentina.

Brazil can thus go forward, without that irritating little puppie yelping at its heels.
just a thought .
117 ProRG_American (#) Oct 10th, 2012 - 05:22 pm Report abuse
No one is inciting Argentina to attack any one. You are delusional since you are far away from the scene and know nothing of reality or the situation. You and many on this forum are the only ones hoping for a break out of war. If you like it so much I invite you to lead the charge. You are filled with hatred and resentment. That is why you only can think of war and violence as a solution to a problem that you, the UK started and can’t seem to come to terms with reality that the other party involved has stood up to you, and will continue to do so.
Your comments and participation in this forum clearly demonstrate that you cannot tolerate that Argentina has recently reminded you before the International community as to what your obligations are it and you can only respond with threats, and more threats. Argentina is on the best terms with its neighbors. The best ever, and will continue to do so, principally with Brazil.
This article reminds us of the importance that Brazil considers its relationship with Argentina. It is its most important and is clearly demonstrating it.
Mr. Cameron being scolded of his Country’s obligations as a UN Signatory prior to walking away to his corner and cry.

118 briton (#) Oct 10th, 2012 - 05:48 pm Report abuse
117 ProRG_American
once again, we say nothing bad,
but again its how you interprit it,

the only country that is being agrssive is argentina,
and that is a noted fact,
119 Pete Bog (#) Oct 10th, 2012 - 06:53 pm Report abuse
“you only can think of war and violence as a solution”


Argentina thought of violence and war as a solution in 1982.

The only way violence would be used by the UK in this context is if Argentina attacked the Falkland Islands .
“Argentina has recently reminded you before the International community as to what your obligations are”

The UK's obligations are to respect the Islanders rights under the United Nations Charter to self-determination and to resist Argentine imperialism.

Also to respect the Islanders interests which Argentina fails to.

The UN resolutions ask Argentina and the UK to talk.

So the UK passes the Argentine Government onto the democratically elected Falkland Islands Government, whom the Argentines refuse to talk to. For the UK to talk to Argentina would be to deny the Falkland Islanders the right to self-determination, so the Uk would be acting against the UN Charter.

The resoultions also strongly infer independence (read them). Since 1982 the constitution of the Falkland Islands Government has changed 3 times to devolve more autonomy to the FIG-quite obviously heading towards,(ie not away from), independence, whilst Argentina wants to make the Falklands a province, which is not in the Islanders 'interests, and the Argentine solution is not moving the FI towards the Independence direction.
120 Monty69 (#) Oct 10th, 2012 - 07:07 pm Report abuse
117 ProRG_American

No. You are the ones who came up with war as a solution.
There are Falkland Islanders who remember having Argentine guns pointed at them as children. Don't presume to lecture us about 'war and violence'.
121 briton (#) Oct 10th, 2012 - 07:58 pm Report abuse
122 Guzz (#) Oct 10th, 2012 - 08:08 pm Report abuse
I thought the Brazilians were your new-found friends-at-arms!?!
All that mutual gun-caressing and measuring in vain, you say?
123 ProRG_American (#) Oct 10th, 2012 - 08:31 pm Report abuse
Briton and Monty team up once again. More smoke blowing as usual.
124 briton (#) Oct 10th, 2012 - 10:40 pm Report abuse
Better blowing smoke,
Than sucking exhaust pipes.
125 DanyBerger (#) Oct 11th, 2012 - 12:13 am Report abuse
I hope this show to Britons that what thing is “KaMoron” propaganda with the complicity of sucker media and the reality that always hit harder.

Since long time ago and especially last week KaMoron didn’t miss any photo opportunity to show how close was Britain to Brazil, how Britain invests in Brazil, how Britain collaborated in military terms with Brazil, etc, etc.

Now what reality says?

That KaMoron foreigner policy to SA is the worse ever and that by refusing to sit to talk with Argentina will isolate even more Britain from one of the more dynamics and growing region in the world.

If that is not enough recession is hitting Britain again and financial Tsunami is closer than ever.

Is that Britain situation in economic and political terms is so wonderful to deprive Britons from a source of jobs, growth and financial stability?

I guess not...

Time will tell...
126 Alexei (#) Oct 11th, 2012 - 10:41 am Report abuse
@125 You just don't get it do you? You're not getting your thieving hands on those islands. No matter how much you and the the transient leftist governments of your neighbours whine and bitch about it. There is nothing to discuss unless and until the people who live on the Falkland Islands decide they want to talk about the matter with you. But wait, they HAVE offered to talk with your government, and they refused. So, STFU you're getting boring.
127 Pete Bog (#) Oct 11th, 2012 - 02:00 pm Report abuse
“ by refusing to sit to talk with Argentina will isolate even more Britain from one of the more dynamics and growing region in the world.”

That might apply to Brazil but the terms dynamic and growing do not apply accurately to Argentina.

As the British position ( on not talking to Argentina without the agreement of the locals) has been consistent for many years, why is the UK not already isolated?
128 Conqueror (#) Oct 13th, 2012 - 12:44 pm Report abuse
@104 Re my comment @99: Oh dear, it does appear that some gutless morons got me a little bit angry. Despite (probably) being in my cups, with slightly less than usual inhibitions, it seems that none of the cowardly bastards can disprove anything I said.
@105 Are you a New Zealander, Gob-a-Kiwi?
@109 Let's get a few things straight. We call argieland a “nothing place” because........it's a nothing place. And sinking. Now, I don't use multiple accounts. I just tell it like it is. And the way it is is this: Britain took possession of the Falklands in 1690 and made its formal claim of sovereignty in 1765. Nobody objected because there was no-one to object. Even the French, arriving in 1764, realised that they couldn't claim sovereignty because of prior British possession for 74 years. Gloss over the subsequent 217 years and Britain fought a war, prompted by attempted theft, and won it. International law from time immemorial says that, when you fight a war, whatever you end up in possession of is yours. Case closed. And yet we get argtards and their lickspittle “friends” on here trying to set all that at naught. We're not going to lose another 255 servicemen. So if the argtards won't see reason, we're going to have to move to a position where there are no argtards to be unreasonable. At this stage, we are trying to make them see sense. And even the most mild-mannered person will eventually see red when an ignoramus continues to argue that black is white. But your final statement is correct.
@117 I'll be glad to lead the charge. Will you have the guts to be there to receive it? But perhaps you have trouble with history? The “other party” didn't stand up, they lay down, i.e. surrendered. We know OUR obligations. YOU seem to have forgotten YOURS.
@125 Happy to meet you on a real battlefield, mouthy. Where I can rip your guts out and make you eat them!
129 Pete Bog (#) Oct 15th, 2012 - 10:56 am Report abuse
As you haven't condemned the violence by Argentina in 1982 yet , it is you surrounded by smoke blown up from your backside.

Like it when Argentine soldiers were nasty to Falkland Islands children and defenceless Falkland Islanders on Pebble Island in 1982 did you?

Different matter when the SAS arrived wasn't it?

Its different for you when the Argentines perpetrate violence like rubbing out thousands of their own people and invading a practically defenseless people in 1982 isn't it? Then some of that smoke blowing around you hides Argentine violence.

Your country's problem is you don't have the guts to fight the British, because your country only likes violence towards native indians and people who can't defend themselves.

Its a different matter when Britain turns up to give Argentine bullies a good kicking, then all of a sudden Argentina is a peace loving natiion. Pffffffttt!
130 GFace (#) Oct 15th, 2012 - 02:54 pm Report abuse
@ 126 The fact that the Argentine government refuses to talk, let alone try to woo the Falkland Islanders shows their intentions for the “disputed” territory. If they won't talk to them now, once they are hypothetically annexed there is serious doubt that they will listen to their interests once they are part of Argentina. Whereas London is giving Stanley considerable latitude in self rule for a “colonial overlord,” Buenos Aires has proven their jackbooted management policy in 1982, celebrates that policy with a coin today in 2012, and makes it clear that the wishes of the locals are of no consequence in any discussions regarding “sovereignty” today in violation of the UN Charter which trumps any politicized resolutions (which even then, make it explicit that the interests of the Islanders is critical to any deal). If that ain't colonialism, someone do tell me what is. (And of course now that the referendum has them scared out of their pants, it is no longer about colonialism based on Estreme's laughable statements at the UN but some double speak that ends with the land is ours, the people's will doesn't really exist -- no different than their stance in 82.)
131 Pete Bog (#) Oct 16th, 2012 - 11:04 am Report abuse
Interersting that because the Islanders were not abused by the British the don't count as colonised anymore, but the RGs still peddle the lie that the civilian population in 1833 were kicked off by the Royal Navy. 1833 needs to be shown graphically to the UN because it is the only tenous argument the Argentines now deploy, ie the transplanted bullsh1t.
132 Sussie USA (#) Oct 17th, 2012 - 12:09 am Report abuse
Viva Argentina!
Ingleses odiosos!
133 Clyde15 (#) Oct 17th, 2012 - 09:58 am Report abuse
134 ynsere (#) Oct 17th, 2012 - 10:35 am Report abuse
Clyde @ 133
Clyde, you really shouldn't stoop to this level. The pair of you sound like five-year-olds. It's best to ignore posters with nothing worthwhile to say; to the contrary we get more shit than substance in the thread.
135 Clyde15 (#) Oct 17th, 2012 - 12:40 pm Report abuse
The idea IS to show how stupid it is !!!!!!
136 ynsere (#) Oct 17th, 2012 - 08:05 pm Report abuse
Clyde @ 135
Yes, right. But I still feel it's best to ignore the lunatic fringe.

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