Friday, October 12th 2012 - 06:18 UTC

Global editors warn on ongoing campaign in Argentina against independent media

The Global Editors Network (GEN) called on the world’s media to focus attention on a press freedom crisis in Argentina where independent journalism is facing a major threat on 7 December 2012, the day announced by the government for the break-up of the Clarin Group, the country’s main independent media organization.

Cristina Fernandez is determined to split the Clarin group next December 7

“7 December is a deadline day for press freedom. Media should speak with one voice against this intolerable threat to independent journalism,” said Alejandro Miro Quesada, the Network Board Member from Peru, after a meeting of the GEN board in Buenos Aires. “The attack on Clarin is symbolic of the political pressure which media are facing throughout the region.”

The GEN call comes at a critical point in the three-year campaign against Clarin Group’s press and audiovisual media by the administration of President Cristina Fernandez and only days after the government took to the airwaves to announce that on 7 December it will revoke its licenses, and take control of its assets under a controversial new media law, which is currently being judicially challenged for its violation of basic constitutional rights.

Although the law is supposed to strengthen diversity and pluralism by limiting monopoly ownership of media – and it is a legitimate goal – its critics say it has only one intention – to stifle dissent and, in particular, to dismantle the Clarin Group, which has been a consistent critical voice of the Kirchner government.

It was particularly evident when – on 13 September 2012 – the nation-wide demonstration against the government was deliberately uncovered by official media or media depending on official subsides.

GEN highlights that already more than 450 legal and administrative actions, – as well as blockades, intimidations and other attacks – were brought against the Clarin Group. The number of actions suggests that harassment was the government's strategy.

GEN is also highly concerned that by investing huge amounts in preferential state advertising with medium sized media companies the government has effectively bought itself control of media content.

Now the use of law is seen as a further act of intimidation to keep media in line, even if, according to different international reports, 80% of audiovisual Argentine media are directly or indirectly controlled by the government.

“This crisis for press freedom and democracy will come to a head on 7 December,” said Miro Quesada. Even though it is not yet certain that the government will carry out its threat, the Global Editors Network will be organising an international petition and is calling on media leaders from the region and around the world to voice their protests.

The long-running campaign against the Clarin Group undermines a viable business model that can secure the future of journalism and independent media in Argentina and across Latin America.

Our last word is that what happens today in Argentina can happen in all democracies when governments are willing – through a large range of actions – to limit freedom of expression.

GEN was established in Paris during March 2011, in response to the increasing risks quality journalism faces. GEN is a nonprofit, non-governmental association, committed to the principles of quality journalism, innovation and information sharing in the newsroom. The organization empowers editors-in-chief, senior news executives, and media professionals from all platforms – print, digital, mobile and broadcast – by optimizing GEN’s network base to create new ideas and journalistic tools, allowing quality journalism to thrive. Already, more than 900 editors-in-chief joined GEN.

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1 Troy Tempest (#) Oct 12th, 2012 - 06:32 am Report abuse
CFK moves to silence the TRUE VOICE OF THE PEOPLE before appointing herself Queen for Life.

Wake up Argentinians, do something now - while you still can!!!
2 Guzz (#) Oct 12th, 2012 - 07:02 am Report abuse
Global editors, as in CNN and BBC. Whata surprise, who would have thought...
3 Santa Fe (#) Oct 12th, 2012 - 07:05 am Report abuse
so is the RG media independent or is as this article says NOT

discuss or we can distract and deflect and change the subject
4 Idlehands (#) Oct 12th, 2012 - 09:02 am Report abuse
Well well well.....totally off topic but fascinating. Conqueror was involved in far more interesting escapades than sinking an Argentine tug in the summer of 82:
5 Wireless (#) Oct 12th, 2012 - 09:05 am Report abuse
More to the point, who cares, they voted this women in, let them live with the consequences.
6 Ken Ridge (#) Oct 12th, 2012 - 09:24 am Report abuse
A dictatirship coming to an Argentina near you...

Starts soon!
7 DanyBerger (#) Oct 12th, 2012 - 09:37 am Report abuse
7D AKA Happy Day...
8 ElaineB (#) Oct 12th, 2012 - 09:46 am Report abuse
I think this might backfire spectacularly on CFKC. When you talk to ordinary people in Argentina they talk about their free society and lack of rules with great pride. Taking away freedom of speech will not sit well with the majority. If you silence sections of the media that is exactly what you are doing.
9 Idlehands (#) Oct 12th, 2012 - 09:53 am Report abuse
Let them get on with it. Knowledge is power. The less knowledge they have the safer we all are.
10 Captain Poppy (#) Oct 12th, 2012 - 10:13 am Report abuse
Nothing like the sound of the wheels of democracy rolling along. GEN can't embarrass them into changing the law. If they haven't been embarrassed by themselves yet on the worldwide stage, there is no embarrassing asslips.
11 yankeeboy (#) Oct 12th, 2012 - 10:32 am Report abuse
Right out of the Chavez playbook on how to ruin a country for at least a generation.
If the Rgs are dumb enough to let it happen they deserve what they get.
12 Idlehands (#) Oct 12th, 2012 - 10:36 am Report abuse
Will they try to block access to subversive news sites on the web too - like the BBC ?
13 ElaineB (#) Oct 12th, 2012 - 10:38 am Report abuse
I don't a lot of them understand the consequences of not having a free press. Spread the word - I am. When they realise their freedom is being eroded - and they are waking up to this - they will rebel. We have seen it starting and we should be encouraging it.
14 eusebio (#) Oct 12th, 2012 - 10:46 am
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15 ChrisR (#) Oct 12th, 2012 - 10:47 am Report abuse
“The attack on Clarin is symbolic of the political pressure which media are facing throughout the region.”

The whole region, surely not?

We have all been told by Guzz, Dunni-Burger and the rest how democratic the Peronistas are!

Another stake in the freedom of AG, but why should we worry, the revolt is on the way by the look of things.

Wait until the choripans and the beer dry up.
16 Idlehands (#) Oct 12th, 2012 - 10:55 am Report abuse
Trouble is we've been waiting for this collapse / revolt / revolution for years. I suppose it highlights how much a society can tolerate and how apathetic the Argentine one is.
17 ElaineB (#) Oct 12th, 2012 - 10:59 am Report abuse
CFKC would LOVE to have the power of Chavez in her country. She emulates him and monopolises the airways with her rambling monologues. But Argentines are not like Venezuelans and that will be her downfall.

Chavez started from the point of a huge section of society having nothing. No healthcare, no education and slave wages. They were easy to manipulate, much in the same way it was easy for Castro to improve the lives of Cubans. Starting from zero it is easy to improve the lives of the poor and disaffected.

Argentines are not so desperate, they have pride and a high opinion of themselves (albeit inflated). They have become poorer, not richer under CFKC and they will continue to become poorer as her unfathomable economic policies wreak havoc. They are not dissimilar to most people in that let things slide until they are personally affected - referred to as 'hapathy' - but they are feeling affected. Now they are looking up and not liking what they see. I say we should encourage them.
18 Mendoza Canadian (#) Oct 12th, 2012 - 11:22 am Report abuse
Well, 8N is coming. She didn't listen to the last cascerola...left BA for that one. Maybe this time she will go to VeneCuba to celebrate with her buddy. And not be allowed back into the country.
19 KretinaKK (#) Oct 12th, 2012 - 11:28 am Report abuse
Here's is Kretina's official new facebook page. It's part of her fundamental politics and new dissertation that she is going to be presenting in Harvard titled “How to win a society's confidence with Choripan Sandwiches and TetraPak wine boxes” (en español “Como gané la confianza del pueblo con Choripanes y Vino tetra cartones” - similar to Evita Peron's “La razón de mi vida”
20 Captain Poppy (#) Oct 12th, 2012 - 11:47 am Report abuse
Elaine not all Argentines are full of themselves and a fall in line socialists. The country is polarized as the Unites States is. Unfortunately there is a slight majority the puts the actions of cfk in where she remains.
21 yankeeboy (#) Oct 12th, 2012 - 12:37 pm Report abuse
I had a post on my FB from an Rg friend in his late 20s, complaining he could no longer go on vacations and couldn't buy anything. Of course all of his friends concurred.
It is sad, this kid speaks Chinese and in the past 10 years has been all over the world.
The Ks have destroyed the quality of life in Argentina
The apathy is astounding and sickening
If these shenanigans were happening in the USA we would have fixed it by now
22 surfer (#) Oct 12th, 2012 - 12:37 pm Report abuse
Reminds me of Sarah Palin blaming the Main Stream Media for all of her failings, just a bit smarter and a lot more dangerous.
23 Tobers (#) Oct 12th, 2012 - 12:50 pm Report abuse
Guzz you mentioned the BBC and CNN. And the rest ?

The BBC is not perfect but its recognized as one of the most impartial news agencies in the world. Not just in Gringoland.
24 Yuleno (#) Oct 12th, 2012 - 12:55 pm Report abuse
Don't we know the concentration of media power has a opposite affect to its freedom.Most recently it has been highlighted in the UK with News Corp.
Clarin is developing in the same direction and it is a natural thing to happen in a capitalist economy with a capitalist business.If the state doesn't take some action to ensure a diversity of reporting of information the interests of capitalist owners will be over-represented wont it? Lets play stupid and pretend a capitalist press and media will be impartial,yes.
25 agent999 (#) Oct 12th, 2012 - 01:05 pm Report abuse

There are huge difference between the UK and Argentinian media.

In the UK we don't have state run media groups.
In the UK we don't have blanket propaganda broadcasts by our leading political party.
In the UK all our politicians can be interviewed by the press.
26 surfer (#) Oct 12th, 2012 - 01:10 pm Report abuse
Yuleno, seriously 'action to ensure a diversity of reporting', you trust any government to actually look after you like that, to make sure YOU have the correct 'diversity of reporting'??
27 Tobers (#) Oct 12th, 2012 - 01:13 pm Report abuse
Yuleno who reads Clarin or accesses Clarin media? Kirchnerists, peronists, those that voted for her? Nah. Theyre too busy being fed a constant stream of shite throught the VAST extensive network of government sponsored media. Having said that despite the governments overwhelming media advantage over Clarin group it still shits itself massively. Thats revealing I would say.
28 yankeeboy (#) Oct 12th, 2012 - 01:14 pm Report abuse
24. Unless the media is owned by the State it is capitalistic. Just because there are more people that like to read conservative newspapers in UK USA hence they become larger profitable organizations has nothing to do with the lessening of Democracy. It is actually a sign Democracy is at work,
You are my favorite Commie. Too bad you can''t show ONE TIME IN HISOTRY WHERE THAT WORKED WELL. But hold onto your values you can't be far from the grave by now anyway.
Too bad you are too stupid to see your country is falling into a Destitute Dictatorship.
29 Idlehands (#) Oct 12th, 2012 - 01:21 pm Report abuse
The views of Hysterical Hector

Though the comments at the bottom and the link to CFK having an orgasm are more interesting.
30 Tompaine (#) Oct 12th, 2012 - 01:26 pm Report abuse
It's always a good idea to break up monoplies, especially when they control almost every aspect of the media, television, radio, newspaper, and internet. After all, the public generally owns the airwaves and should determine who gets to use them. Anytime the rich can control all the information, it can't be good for society as a whole. If Goldman Sachs owns 20% of anything there has to be serious corruption going on.
31 nigelpwsmith (#) Oct 12th, 2012 - 01:30 pm Report abuse
The slippery slope to dictatorship for life. Following the Chavez playbook, Kretina is crippling the only people who can organise the population against her. Don't be surprised if the midnight arrests start happening, just as they did under the Junta. Bodies will start appearing in the River Plate & Argentina will know that democracy is dead, because they elected a lunatic to the Casa Rosada.

It doesn't have to be this way for Argentina. Your neighbours are doing OK. Brazil is becoming an economic powerhouse, whilst Argentina decays because the Government is full of idiots & thieves.

The Argentine population needs to wake up and tell CFK she is no longer required. If Argentina then used it's foreign currency reserves to pay the debts it owes to the United States and other countries, then I'm sure they would be able to invest in getting Argentina back on its feet. You have plenty of resources, but sadly the politicians are preventing you from using them.

If only you would set aside your claim on the Falklands, not renounce it - just set it aside, then I'm sure that the Falkland Islanders would trade with you and cooperate to help Argentina exploit the oil reserves. It was a unilateral decision on Argentina's part to end the co-operation with the Islands that started with Menem. Through that short-sighted decision, Argentina has lost out financially.

You need to remove the bitch in the Casa Rosada, before she makes all of you bankrupt and unemployed.
32 yankeeboy (#) Oct 12th, 2012 - 01:36 pm Report abuse
30. The public is deciding who they want on the airways or maybe you don't know how capitalism works. It is very democratic. If someone doesn't buy or watch something the paper, publisher or production will go out of business.
Get it?
I know it is a hard concept but I taught my 5y/o so you should be able to grasp the concept.
Do you think the State should choose who gets to print and show you news and entertainment? Don't you think that is a bad thing? Don't you think they will promote shows that help their positions to keep them in power? Don't you think they will squash news that is harmful to them or their positions?

It is impossible that someone who can type can be this obtuse.
33 MurkyThink (#) Oct 12th, 2012 - 01:39 pm Report abuse
The media is not independent in everywhere of the world.

grow up !
34 Simon68 (#) Oct 12th, 2012 - 01:48 pm Report abuse
24 Yuleno (#)
Oct 12th, 2012 - 12:55 pm

“Don't we know the concentration of media power has a opposite affect to its freedom.”

Exactly right Yuleno, the kirchneristas have 80% (that is EIGHTY percent) of the country's media in their pocket. The independent media represent 20% (that is TWENTY percent) of media “power”!!!!!!

Now who is nearer to a monopoly, the government or the independent media?????
35 Tompaine (#) Oct 12th, 2012 - 02:07 pm Report abuse
Yankeeboy, I can see how you can relate to a 5 year old. By the way, the concept of capitalism being democratic, maybe you can explain how capitalism works so well in communits China.
36 yankeeboy (#) Oct 12th, 2012 - 02:20 pm Report abuse
I'm not sure that what China is doing is capitalism and I don't think it is really doing well.
Whatever you may call it, it has seemed to delay the next revolution but I don't think that's going to work for much longer. All of their unsold goods they have been making to keep people working instead of protesting is about done. Every single bank is insolvant but still required to make loans to cronies. So I think their system, again whatever you want to call it, is near total collapse.
Totalitarianism has the benefit of controlling the population for a pretty long time but I think it has reached the end of the rope both in China and Argentina.
37 Tompaine (#) Oct 12th, 2012 - 02:32 pm Report abuse
Democracy is a form of government while Capitalism is an economic system. Your problem Yankeeboy is you don't seem to know the difference. Capitalism will work under almost any governmental system. Also, i think many of your post seem to indicate you'd be an excellent fan of Totalitarianism.
38 hammerhead993 (#) Oct 12th, 2012 - 02:41 pm Report abuse
@2 What's the point of your post? Do you think there is no campaign against independent media in Argentina? Just state what you're trying to state. When you make senseless deflections to all things that are American-related or UK-related but have no substance to your comments, it makes you look like a slow adult.

@24 Look at your post...“if the state doesn't take some action to ensure diversity of reporting...” WTF? The state should have nothing to do with reporting. There's a cool concept called Freedom of Speech. It's one of the greatest things in the world. If you ever experienced it, you'd know what I'm talking about.
39 yankeeboy (#) Oct 12th, 2012 - 03:04 pm Report abuse
37. Thanks for pointing out the obvious.
My point was that China is NEITHER Capitalistic nor Democratic.
On business it is a weird mix of a whole bunch of systems that can't mesh for very much longer.
They are in collapse and they have no idea how to fix it without giving up the State control.
Gonna be interesting.
It is probably the next country I will start to pay attention to after Argentina collapses and my interest is over.
40 ElaineB (#) Oct 12th, 2012 - 03:14 pm Report abuse
@20 I completely agree with you.

Though, in my experience the default setting of Argentines is to be proud of their country to the point where any criticism is hard for them to take, unless they have travelled and can view their country with more balance. By contrast the default setting of most English people is to be highly critical of their country and government, unless they have travelled and can see how bloody good they have it in comparison to developing countries.

If people want to buy Clarin newspaper they are exercising their right to do so. If you take it away you are taking away their right to choose. Argentines, in general, don't like having their rights taken from them.
41 Captain Poppy (#) Oct 12th, 2012 - 03:16 pm Report abuse
China is NOT a capitalist system at all. They may be able to copy capitalist attributes, but they are not a capitalist society. The Chinese system will never “foster the entrepreneurial spirit” that makes innovations possible, because the drearily unimaginative state is the “majority owner” of the economy. China has been able to “shoehorn a crude version of a capitalist financial system into its state-controlled economy and get some good results.” (Mainly because of lack of controls (lead in toys, tainted baby milk, inferior quality, child labor, substandar working conditions and wages) But it will never be able to replicate the breakthroughs that are the hallmarks of a true free-market system. Capitalism created electricity, the light bulb, radios, television, computers, automobiles and even the Iphones.
42 yankeeboy (#) Oct 12th, 2012 - 03:18 pm Report abuse
40. There is a very strange, what shall I call it, custom, no that isn't right, character flaw, embarrassment, hmm not sure what it is but every single Rg I ever met in country NEVER says they are Argentinian, they are Italian, Spanish, German etc etc. Never Argentinian. It is very weird because if you ask anyone else from any other country they always tell you the country where they have their citizenship or grew up in not where their family originated from?
Anyone else see that?
43 Tompaine (#) Oct 12th, 2012 - 03:21 pm Report abuse
39. I'd be interested to know where there is a Capitalistic country that is not a mixed economy. In the US there is the post office, Amtrak, public electric utilities, military hospitals, libraries, public schools and universities, FAA, Highways, police and fire, airports, traffic control and security, medicare, social security, etc. There is no such thing as a “pure” Capitalistic system.
44 Think (#) Oct 12th, 2012 - 03:29 pm Report abuse

Article says:
The ”GLOBAL EDITORS NETWORK” (GEN) called on the world’s media to focus attention on a press freedom crisis in Argentina where the government wants to break-up the CLARIN group…..

I say:
Can anybody here guess who the president of the ”GLOBAL EDITORS NETWORK” (GEN) defending CLARIN is....?
I give you 10 seconds ….......











And the president of the ”GLOBAL EDITORS NETWORK” (GEN) is….:

Ricardo Kirschbaum,
Editor-in-Chief, Clarin (Argentina)

Odd… Don’t you ”Think”?
45 yankeeboy (#) Oct 12th, 2012 - 03:37 pm Report abuse
Oh Think and his false arguments. How boring.

Just because he is the head of WORLD WIDE RESPECTED ORGANIZATION doesn't mean that media suppression is not happening in Argentina.
One thing doesn't have anything to do with the other.
Do you think the claim could or would be made if it wasn't happening?
Or are you on the
'Clarin Lies
How disappointing
you would think with the repression in your background you'd be protesting in the streets but No you are too simple to see what is happening
Do you want another Dictator?
Guess so.
46 Think (#) Oct 12th, 2012 - 04:07 pm Report abuse

Contrary to most Turnips in here, I can and have read the new Media Law (all its 86 pages) due to become effective on December 7'th, 2012.


This new law leans heavily on European jurisprudence and replaces a previous law enacted by the last Argentinean military dictatorship in 1980.

So......, yes I “Think” this new law is a giant leap forward for the freedom and democratization of information in Argentina.

El Think

(all 86 pages)
47 Arifu_Gobakuwi (#) Oct 12th, 2012 - 04:08 pm Report abuse
The world's media love to talk about the situation of the media freedom in Argentina, because they can't talk in freedom about the state of the media in their own countries.

Go figure.
48 KretinaKK (#) Oct 12th, 2012 - 04:12 pm Report abuse
LA CAMPORA - a semi military style terrorist organization that is led by Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner's son - MaximoKirchner. It is named after former a known Argentine terrorist of the Peronist political party former president Héctor José Cámpora. Although it was established in 2003, it became politically influential after the death and state funeral of Néstor Kirchner. Maximo Kirchner used money that his father Nestor Kirchner left him in his will to further the organization and take part in expropiations of private property, the oil company YPF, which Argentina expropiated (stole) from the government of Spain, and Aerolineas Argentinas also expropiated (stolen) from the government of Spain.
The airline is going to be renamed “Aerocamporas Argentinas” by the end of the year. They have already begun to repaint the logo on the airplanes at a cost of $400,000 US dollars each. La Campora hopes to imitate the terrorist organization to which Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner belonged to when she was younger, called Montoneros. Montoneros was responsable for kidnappings, murders, armed robberies of business owners and members of the opposition government in Argentina during the 1970s. The group vindicates the actions of the guerilla group Montoneros, and thus was named after Héctor José Cámpora, who had favored them. However, most members are too young to know first-hand about the 1970 conflicts in Argentina, but follow their methodologies of state sponsored terrorism. They go into schools and “indoctrinate” children and make them wear La Campora t-shirts, give them reading material and force them to participate in rallies promoting their demagoguery and any decisions made by Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner. The methodology of the modern group is very similar to the Montoneros, aiming to harass, destroy and silence critics of the Kirchner administration and promote their allies in
49 Pirat-Hunter (#) Oct 12th, 2012 - 04:32 pm Report abuse
The Argentine media after government intervention are more honest and are held accountable for corruption, something the UN and IMF can't say about most of their member nations. With all this lies and innuendo against Argentina I am more and more inclined to support a nuclear defense program to protect Argentine from the war monger, child molester, murderers and rapist from UK and USA.
50 KretinaKK (#) Oct 12th, 2012 - 04:43 pm Report abuse
VATAYON MILITANTE - The Argentine government under Cristina Fernandez de Kircher and The Argentine National penitentiary service, takes inmates out of jail without judicial permission, to attend and participate in political events of Kirchner. The prisoners are paid an “allowance” of $2700 per month for joining this political group. The creation of this Vatayon militante group which are CONVICTED AND INCARCERATED for everything from murderer to armed robbery is becoming the Kirchner government's militant force of the future. If things get rough for Cristina, these prisoners have nothing to lose for defending the Kirchner movement with violence. They also have access to guns and drugs, and prostitues all courtesy of the Kirchner government. The prisoners who are chosen attend these events, is left up to the to the head of the Argentine National Penitentiary Service, Victor Hortel who is a very close ally of Cristina's government He is a former prisoner himself and has very close ties with prison gangs, and has been known to release prisoners at night to go out to steal and even kill, in exchange for drugs, sex and money. Rewarding criminals and prisoners for political purposes, violating all sorts of rules and laws, is proof of the form of government that Argentina is living with and will only get worse in the months and years ahead, especially if Cristina moved forward with her proposal to change the Argentine constitution to allow for her re-re-election for an unlimited amount of presidential terms.
51 Troy Tempest (#) Oct 12th, 2012 - 04:53 pm Report abuse
@46,47,49, La Campora Trolls

Any wonder why TTT, PH (ALEX VARGAS), etc. are against freedom of the civilian press...ámpora
52 agent999 (#) Oct 12th, 2012 - 04:59 pm Report abuse
@50 KKK

Please stop your multiple posts
53 Arifu_Gobakuwi (#) Oct 12th, 2012 - 05:00 pm Report abuse

Why are you against freedom of the press in you own country?
54 Troy Tempest (#) Oct 12th, 2012 - 05:09 pm Report abuse
@53 Arifu TTT

“Why are you against freedom of the press in you own country?”

That is not the case - good try at deflecting and distracting though.

Back on topic:

TTT or “Arifu” (I'll play along, ok) - why are you and the other La Campora supporting CFK's attempts to regulate and limit the press?

Looks ominous - wouldn't that suppress dissent from the people?
Less free press = less free debate. Right?
55 Yuleno (#) Oct 12th, 2012 - 05:24 pm Report abuse
'I'm not sure that what China is doing is capitalism and I don't think it is really doing well.'
There we are folks
Yankeeboy isn't sure of one thing but he is sure of a lot of other things.Mostly in the future.The poor boy is struggling to hold on to reality especially when the tendencies of capitalist competition is the topic.He still believes in the invisible hand of market forces,like a good neo-liberal.In his illusory world he believes he can see the invisible hand with a tattoo on it.
What does the tattoo say yankeeboy,can you read it.
56 KretinaKK (#) Oct 12th, 2012 - 05:24 pm Report abuse
LA CAMPORA - a semi military terrorist organization led by Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner's son - MaximoKirchner. It became politically influential after the death and state funeral of Néstor Kirchner. Maximo used state public funds to further the organization and take part in expropiations of private property, the oil company YPF, which Argentina expropiated (stole) from the government of Spain, and Aerolineas Argentinas expropiated (stolen) from the government of Spain. The airline is going to be renamed “Aerocamporas Argentinas”. They have already begun to repaint the logo on the airplanes at a cost of $400,000 US dollars. La Campora hopes to imitate the terrorist organization which Cristina Kirchner belonged to when she was young, called Montoneros. Montoneros was responsable for kidnappings, murders, armed robberies of business owners and members of the opposition government in Argentina in the 1970s. They follow methodologies of state sponsored terrorism. They go into schools and “indoctrinate” children and make them wear La Campora t-shirts, reading material and force them to participate in rallies promoting their demagoguery and decisions made by Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner. The methodology of the modern group is very similar to the Montoneros, aiming to harass, destroy and silence critics of the Kirchner administration and promote their allies in blogs, Facebook, by internet and to steadily encroach on key positions in the state.
57 Troy Tempest (#) Oct 12th, 2012 - 06:21 pm Report abuse
@55 Yuleno

Back on topic, forget about China.

Why do you support the CFK government suppression of Argentina's news media?

More media = more debate, right ?

What is wrong with that?
What is CFK afraid of?

Impending Dictatorship ?
58 Ayayay (#) Oct 12th, 2012 - 06:23 pm Report abuse
Thx, i preciate my home MORE now! :D
Did you know the U.S. has the highest standard of freedom of speech-In The World?

On r/Argentina and Taringa! you can't find ANY support from native Argentines for the current administration.é_fue_lo_que_nos_llevó_a_los/

Doesn't help they're shutting down Taringa! hard.

That's why I LIKE Mercopress. I wanted to hear a LITTLE, just a little, appreciation for public servants from Argentines (even if they're mucking up) because THEY hired them.
59 Captain Poppy (#) Oct 12th, 2012 - 06:29 pm Report abuse
“The world's media love to talk about the situation of the media freedom in Argentina, because they can't talk in freedom about the state of the media in their own countries.”

two questions:

1-what countries are you referring to as a can't talk in freedom about the state of media....argentina? We know that freedom does not exist there.
2-why do you not anwser me the question I asked 6 times, what language do you speak as you stated you are a Ghanan? Gonja? Dangme? Akan? I am waiting.
yulena, if you knew the language better, with ways people speak in English, you would know what it means when someone says, “I don't know” the way Yankee used it. Google types are good at googling things. What happened......your masters repimand you all? You use to almost sound thoughtful.
60 THEMan (#) Oct 12th, 2012 - 06:32 pm Report abuse
@56 Stop it or I'll have your account deactivated
61 Ayayay (#) Oct 12th, 2012 - 06:36 pm Report abuse
Look at that freedom!!! :D
62 Yuleno (#) Oct 12th, 2012 - 06:40 pm Report abuse
57# troy old man you are misunderstanding things.
What is at issue is the control of media in fewer hands not the suppression of media.Tell me troy,have I missed something.Where did you see they where suppressing Clarin.Isnt it the control of such a chunk of media that is the problem.Havent you had gvt intervention in the News Crop proposed takeover of Sky television.Didnt they concede that sky news should be separated from the television arm.How, do you think,would Sky News survive as an independant news channel.What outlet would it use,News Corp.Or some other tv company.
63 Pirat-Hunter (#) Oct 12th, 2012 - 06:45 pm
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64 Ayayay (#) Oct 12th, 2012 - 06:55 pm Report abuse

The richest “poor” are in Singapore. avg $1500 a month, and their apartments cost $18-$250 (MASSIVE)

“but who doesn't want to have money in their pocket?”

the poorest “poor” are in North Korea.

•food cut to 200 grams of meal-flour a day. Hundreds of thousands died directly from famine.

“Tell the world we are starving.”

•1/4 are too mentally retarded by malnutrition growing up to serve in their army. •2/3 children are physically stunted.

And they used to feed themselves just fine before.

DON'T worry about the fashion though, little Argentine. The first lady is sporting a French designer purse $$$

(Remembers Michelle Obama's $15 gloves on inauguration day :)
65 Arifu_Gobakuwi (#) Oct 12th, 2012 - 07:02 pm Report abuse
GOOD news! Conqueror has been found safe and sound! How do I know it's him? Like most anglos he can't tan (even Scandinavians and Russians can tan)
66 Pirat-Hunter (#) Oct 12th, 2012 - 07:18 pm Report abuse
LOL mercopress is 100 times worst then CFK, it's the classic do as I say not as I do.
I guess you have to be white to have rights we can see how bias and racist mercopress and british people are right here, no need to read anything, but why do they not allow for us to bring real issues about innocent Muslim women and children being raped and murdered by USA and EU all over the middle east. Anyone found the WMD???
67 ChrisR (#) Oct 12th, 2012 - 07:35 pm Report abuse
@66 Prat-Junta

What is it with your fixation of rape and murder of women and children?

And being white?

Does this mean you are black or simply Latino?

FFS get into the real world will you and stop with the stupidity.
68 Ayayay (#) Oct 12th, 2012 - 07:46 pm Report abuse
Which class of people had less rights than the slaves of historical Greece in Afghanistan?

By the way, kudos to Argentina for FREEING the white slaves and affirming their freedom of reproductive choice.
69 Pirat-Hunter (#) Oct 12th, 2012 - 07:59 pm Report abuse
LOL next thing you know the liars and retards will claim there is WMD in Argentina, when we all know the terrorists and WMD come from USA and Europe.
#67 correction my concern over USA and EU murdering and raping Innocent Muslim women and Children is not a fixation ask them Muslims and you'll find that it's not a simple fixation is a fact that Muslims have to put up with all the time everywhere thanks to USA and Europeans.
70 Troy Tempest (#) Oct 12th, 2012 - 08:02 pm Report abuse
@67 Chris

It gives P - Junta reassurance to feel that he is a disadvantaged minority.

Great excuse for personal failure - he is a self-acclaimed rascist .
71 Leifur_Heppni (#) Oct 12th, 2012 - 08:15 pm Report abuse
42 yankeeboy (#) true, argies also say they are not Latinos.
72 Guzz (#) Oct 12th, 2012 - 08:23 pm Report abuse
The word Latino covers a wide span of people, unlike yanqui who personifies lack of morals...
73 Leifur_Heppni (#) Oct 12th, 2012 - 08:37 pm Report abuse
Argies always call the other Latinos as Latinos but themselves? they cant' be Europeans either, since they are not living in Europe.
74 Ayayay (#) Oct 12th, 2012 - 08:55 pm Report abuse
TELL us about the morals, Guzzard! I'm srs!, every culture has good stuff, show us what you got. the U.S.?, which has..Latins? Lol

P.S. the U.S. gives half the food aid in the world. :)

On topic, for the first time since Argentina's military dictatorship, they've began closing websites. Try this one, para juego

Yeay Freedom!!!!
75 Arifu_Gobakuwi (#) Oct 12th, 2012 - 09:08 pm Report abuse
Argentines are not European, they actually follow the 10 commandments.

Argentines therefore cannot be Latins, as Latins originate in Europe.

Argentines are people, and foreigners are foreigners:
76 yankeeboy (#) Oct 12th, 2012 - 09:20 pm Report abuse
75. Argentinians are so prejudiced, the worse part of it is that you think you are superior to the rest of the South/Central Americans while the rest of the world just considers you a part of them, maids, gardeners, cooks well you get the idea.
It is probably why you have such inferiority complexes which makes you sad and frustrated all the time.
77 ChrisR (#) Oct 12th, 2012 - 09:23 pm Report abuse
@75 AGob TTT

Which 10 commandments are these that the argies follow?

Let me guess:
1) Thou shalt kill thy neighbour for 10 AG pesos?
2) Thou shalt commit adultery if you want to;
3) Thou shalt lie, steal and fornicate with the animals of the earth, just like your government;

I am sure you get the gist, you African charlatan you.

Ha, ha, ha.
78 Troy Tempest (#) Oct 12th, 2012 - 09:33 pm Report abuse
@75 Arifu

“Argentines are people, and foreigners are foreigners:”

So, you have said you are NOT Argentinian, therefore you must be a Foreigner, as you say.right?
79 Ayayay (#) Oct 12th, 2012 - 09:41 pm Report abuse

Studies shows that Latins the most unfaithful, Australians the least.
80 yankeeboy (#) Oct 12th, 2012 - 09:52 pm Report abuse
Toby er ah Arifu, How come your two jewelry stores in Pinamar and Villa Gesell don't have a web site? Do you need a recommendation for a designer? I know some decent ones in BA that work really cheap.
Just let me know.
BTW how do you pay rent when there aren't any tourists 10 MONTHS OF THE YEAR?
81 Arifu_Gobakuwi (#) Oct 12th, 2012 - 09:57 pm Report abuse

And what is the problem? The only definition that matters is the one you make of yourself. The only people here offended by the fact argies see you as the same as Barak Obama or Desmond Tutu is you and your anglo cronies. Anglo = anyone who speaks english and is a hypocrite by age 7 weeks (of gestation).

Though Jamaicans and Irish tend to be more honest anglos.


I said I am a non-foreign foreigner who is within argentine non-argentine.
82 Pirat-Hunter (#) Oct 12th, 2012 - 10:20 pm Report abuse
We are much more concerned with the middle east. And the terrorist who bombed the Jewish embassy and now we know that Saudi Arabia, Qatar and turkey provide the money and weapons to the terrorist working all over the middle east, under the direct direction and handling of the CIA, Mossad and mi6. We now know Iran is being framed as Saddam with the WMD, the real enemy is USA, UK, EU and Canada.
83 Captain Poppy (#) Oct 12th, 2012 - 10:24 pm Report abuse
Holy smokes Batman, it made it to the la campora TV educational network......UTUBE ! It must be true!
84 Guzz (#) Oct 12th, 2012 - 10:49 pm Report abuse
Shovel that children story that you call religion down the drain, it's bloody 2012, be adults about it.
Latinos are Latinos by the language they speak, not by origin. The 5 Latin languages are Italian, Romanian, French, Spanish and Portuguese. Regardless what anyone of them say, they are all Latin, Latinos in Spanish.
85 Ayayay (#) Oct 12th, 2012 - 10:55 pm Report abuse
I still want to hear about the morals, please :)
I have Latin, Anglo and Native American heritage so I like to hear the good.things

Latins are master at oratory, literature, romance, arts-but the ten commandments? many exceptions noted)



• NEW ZEALAND WINS most honest country in the world!!

THou shall Not KEEL
'Latin America Has The Highest Murder Rate in the World'
(they forgot Africa)

EUROPE'S Iceland, Canada, Polynesia, Singapore, all of them! :)


Best retirement?
Australia and Europe's Nordic countries
U.S. Polynesia is-- INCREDIBLE-- at family support IN ALL the ways :D
86 Pirat-Hunter (#) Oct 12th, 2012 - 11:10 pm Report abuse
#76 watching Brits and Americans day and day out 366 day a year waste their time to trash my country doesn't make me think we are important, it let's us KNOW our country is important. Not just south and central America but all of America. All we need is a nuclear defence program to keep the bloody Muslim child molesters away.

#77 we are not from USA or UK. We do not bomb civilian homes nor do we molest rape or murder Muslim women and children as some people who arms terrorists and make up WMD to murder civilians to theft oil.

#78 he might be a British illegal alien sucking up Argentina's wealth from islas Malvinas Argentina. Their home UK is too far so he trolls in Argentina's news threads puking out uneducated comments. Due to being a Marica virgen, pelado, petiso, viejo y feo.
#79 well at least we make love rather then rape and murder them as USA and UK do with innocent Muslim women and children alllllllll ALLL “All OVER THE MIDDLE EAST”
#82 no KKK member like to admit they are inferior they already know it but rather live in denial.
87 Guzz (#) Oct 12th, 2012 - 11:15 pm Report abuse
Thou shalt not steal Iraqi oil
Thou shalt not kill Iraqi children
Thou shalt not lie about Iraqi WMD
88 Arifu_Gobakuwi (#) Oct 12th, 2012 - 11:49 pm Report abuse
Thou shalt not embezzle the savings of millions
Thou shalt not conduct Mengelevian experiments on Guatemalan children
Thou shalt not go to war under false pretenses
Thou shalt not evict natives from their island for military reasons
Thou shalt not utter racist rants on trams
Thou shalt not grab a shotgun and randomly begin killing dozens
Thou shalt not have your athletes use drugs time after time to cheat
Thou shalt not get erections from staring at little children
Thou shalt not purposefully manipulate interest rates for usury
89 Troy Tempest (#) Oct 12th, 2012 - 11:50 pm Report abuse
@81 Arifu

“I said I am a non-foreign foreigner who is within argentine non-argentine.”

That's very cryptic. Isn't there a better way to explain it?
90 Arifu_Gobakuwi (#) Oct 12th, 2012 - 11:51 pm Report abuse
Thou shalt not question Arifu Gobakuwi
91 Ayayay (#) Oct 12th, 2012 - 11:58 pm Report abuse
A. mistake, see: Falklands. Yet, the U.S. stopped Iraq's invasion of KUWAIT,
so all good.

You can help Iraqi women here:

You do know that the U.S. is makes MORE than it needs,
and that Iraq supplies-dun dun dUN- China, right?

So what club is this? :
Somalia, Cuba, Afghanistan, Cyprus, North Korea, Haiti, Rwanda, Zimbabwe, Greece, Argentina.
92 Captain Poppy (#) Oct 13th, 2012 - 12:06 am Report abuse
Ayayay, you upset gizz and titty boi who is now going by the fake African name of arifu. You having them running back to mommas tit because they both were never weaned.
arifu, bug eyed nestor and his whore asslips kirchner already violated your your first rule when they stole Aerolinas funds. They also stole the land for their flea and roach ridden dumps they call hotels down south. titty boi, you really have personality disorder.
93 Arifu_Gobakuwi (#) Oct 13th, 2012 - 12:08 am Report abuse

I don't need any of your designer acquaintances which you made on those wild San Telmo week-end escapades.

You lose screw, my jewleries in Pinamar and Villa Gesell function all year, but I also have peripatetic branches. In March-April I do Mendoza during the wine festival and winery tourist season, I do Salta in May-July, then Bariloche and Esquel or San martin in the Andes in July-October, then Iguazu October-November, take advantage to restock my invetory in Ciudad del Este, and then fly to Buenos Aires for december during the holiday season.

I bet you did not think of that smart plan, it is an obsenely efficient yearly plan.
94 Ayayay (#) Oct 13th, 2012 - 12:55 am Report abuse
@92, Captn Pop, I thought you might b the first person to figure it out.

What club whose members are Greece, Haiti, Ethiopia, Afghanistan, Cuba, Uruguay, North Korea and Zim did Argentina join around last year?
95 Arifu_Gobakuwi (#) Oct 13th, 2012 - 12:59 am Report abuse
What club is being described when members include Belarus, China, Sudan, Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Cuba, Syria, Iran, Congo, Somalia, Yemen, Chad, Vietnam, Lybia, Bangladesh, North Korea, United States??
96 Ayayay (#) Oct 13th, 2012 - 01:28 am Report abuse
Answer: countries with zero net exports of energy
97 yankeeboy (#) Oct 13th, 2012 - 01:52 am Report abuse
93. So then you are one of the two black guys I saw with suitcases selling fake gold jewelry on Sante Fe Ave. Last time I saw you a policeman was chasing you looking for his payment.
98 Arifu_Gobakuwi (#) Oct 13th, 2012 - 02:00 am Report abuse

Good, why share their energy resources with the enemy?


That was not me. That was one of your post-San Telmo weekend dreams (you dressed as policeman, black guy... we all get the picture).
99 Ayayay (#) Oct 13th, 2012 - 02:39 am Report abuse
Uruguay's not your friend?
100 Captain Poppy (#) Oct 13th, 2012 - 03:23 am Report abuse
arifu/ttt is a sad,jealous little freak angry at the world for being born what he was, so he has many enemies and no capacity to defend himself or launch am assualt
101 Troy Tempest (#) Oct 13th, 2012 - 05:55 am Report abuse
@100 Poppy

TTT is really enjoying this latest reincarnation as a black African male.

Don't spoil it for him. His life holds so little joy. ;-D
102 DanyBerger (#) Oct 13th, 2012 - 09:28 am Report abuse
Meanwhile in the real world US and UK are collapsing and 7D coming faster and “ClarinMiente” and “La Destruccion” will be scrapped.

I personally would be very happy...

I’m enjoying democracy as never before in Argiland.
103 yankeeboy (#) Oct 13th, 2012 - 09:54 am Report abuse
IF Toby know anything about business he wouldn't have fantasized about having jewelry stores in Pinamar or Villa Gesell populations of 20K ea!

I told an Rg friend and he said you are kidding right? How stupid is he?

Toby, btw all the traveling sales would be unprofitable no matter what mode of transportation you used. You couldn't make up the volume with cheap jade and obsidian jewelry.

Don't you see how ridiculous you are?
104 Guzz (#) Oct 13th, 2012 - 09:57 am Report abuse
yanqui, when you said “I asked a friend”, you exposed your lies right away, you have no friends...
105 Santa Fe (#) Oct 13th, 2012 - 10:26 am Report abuse
87... Jajaja me join in daddy

Thou shall not invade other people's islands/lands
Thou shall not murder 30,000 women , men and children of your own!!!!
Thou shall not control the free press
thou shall not pay disadvantaged people for votes
thou should pay your debts or you will be humiliated on the world stage

And last but not least
Thou should not mess with the Uk or you get your @ss kicked and for 30 years remain a humiliated broken country jajajaja

daddy this is fun, me play more later
106 Guzz (#) Oct 13th, 2012 - 10:33 am Report abuse
All that can be summed up in one sentence:
Thou shalt not be a Brit.
Enough said :)
107 yankeeboy (#) Oct 13th, 2012 - 11:15 am Report abuse
Guzz, Any idea how the crew gets home from Ghana? Will they be sold along with the ship? I can't imagine anyone wants an Rg slave tho...
108 Leifur_Heppni (#) Oct 13th, 2012 - 11:35 am Report abuse
75 Arifu_Gobakuwi (#)
Oct 12th, 2012 - 09:08 pm

Argentines are not European, they actually follow the 10 commandments.

Argentines therefore cannot be Latins, as Latins originate in Europe.

Argentines are people, and foreigners are foreigners:

@75 that really cleared it.
109 Guzz (#) Oct 13th, 2012 - 12:52 pm Report abuse
I bet they come back with the ship. As soon as arg is done playing your little children games and tells you lot you wont get a nickle by pirating. Should you accomplish any cash though, you will be pirates. Us Uruguayans are merely victims of your lack of morals. Another win-win :)
110 yankeeboy (#) Oct 13th, 2012 - 01:05 pm Report abuse
I think not paying what is owed is immoral. So I guess we have differing opinions.

I doubt very much Arg will get the ship back without sending a wire to the Ghana courts. Diplomatically, logically, morally Argentina is on the wrong side of this skirmish and will lose in the end.

CFK should just send the U$20MM or negotiate a smaller sum and be done with this International embarrassment. Why this horrible women likes to continue to embarrass Argentina in International settings is beyond me. I know she is mentally unstable, lives with sycophants lapping up her every word but she must know deep down that she is a fool.
Guzz, Uruguayans in general follow the rule of law. You must be the only Uruguayan except for the senile ol' commie running the country who still sides with CFK. Have you been back in the last 10 yrs? From your ridiculous posts I highly doubt it.
111 Guzz (#) Oct 13th, 2012 - 01:20 pm Report abuse
You forgot el Tambero Zabalza, that man is really hardcore :)))
112 yankeeboy (#) Oct 13th, 2012 - 01:31 pm Report abuse
It's really is too bad the CIA didn't get to your parents soon enough.
113 Guzz (#) Oct 13th, 2012 - 01:35 pm Report abuse
Oh they did, yanqui...
My old man was just too strong for you lot, hijo de siete mil putas...
He still is :))
114 yankeeboy (#) Oct 13th, 2012 - 01:37 pm Report abuse
Is that why your family had to flee to Europe? We still accomplished the goal of routing out the communists. Win win.
115 Guzz (#) Oct 13th, 2012 - 01:44 pm Report abuse
Is that why Pepe is President today? :)))))
116 Gordo1 (#) Oct 13th, 2012 - 01:45 pm Report abuse
Media in Argentina

This link opens a “kettle of fish”!
117 Leifur_Heppni (#) Oct 13th, 2012 - 01:54 pm Report abuse
Guzz, we don't need people like you in Europe, you're not welcome. Go home parasite.
118 Guzz (#) Oct 13th, 2012 - 02:01 pm Report abuse
I feel the same about you, yet you stay. I maje you a deal ;)
119 Santa Fe (#) Oct 13th, 2012 - 02:21 pm Report abuse
107.. Jajaja it's not bad being from Great Britain , just put a deposit on a nice new Mini Clubman S cracking car, and fantastically low interest rates over in GB.
Brum brum brum, and on the alternate side great financial divide what's in your food parcel today????
120 yankeeboy (#) Oct 13th, 2012 - 02:29 pm Report abuse
My guess is 2 bowls of rice like in North Korea.

INDEC confirmed you are not considered destitute/homeless if you make more than U$.0.88/day. Whew that's livin'!
121 Santa Fe (#) Oct 13th, 2012 - 02:30 pm Report abuse
Sorry my post was for 106 guzz troll not 107
122 Leifur_Heppni (#) Oct 13th, 2012 - 03:14 pm Report abuse
118@ The difference is that Europeans bring money to Argentina, argie-immigrants come to live as parasites in European welfare countries and to suck out money from social befits, yet they have nothing to offer us. They have no education, since argies don't terminate universities, that's why there are so many foreigners from other SA-countries. Still they don't work as gardeners and maids like in USA, since we have that stupid system. Basically i don't have anything against the social-benefits, but they should only be meant for local people. I know couple of cases how argies are living in Sweden and Norway doing nothing, just using government money. Heck, they don't even speak English nor the local language and still they were given a visa. WTF!!!

Most of the argies speaking English in this forum are living in Canada, Europe etc. and still they write this malvinas-BS, why don't they go back to their beloved Argentina if it's so great place. I want to make clear i'm not a neo-nazi etc. i have nothing against hard working, highly educated Latinos who immigrate, but i just happen to know argies don't fill that description. They are lazy and useless people.

Fuck, i want to smash a argie face right now.
123 yankeeboy (#) Oct 13th, 2012 - 03:49 pm Report abuse
Now CFK wants to bring this to an Int'l Tribunal? Hmm Which one would hear it I wonder? And would this be one where they have ignored the judgements when they're not in their favor but expect other to abide by them?
Just like the Rg posters on this board.
124 ICFreedom (#) Oct 13th, 2012 - 04:00 pm Report abuse
hello - i am new to this board, but i wanted to know from reading some of the posts, are some of the posters kids? i noticed the same posters over and over saying the same things not really related to the news articles - one name 'pirat', and another 'guzz' and another 'dany' - just curious.. if these are adults, did these guys get an education anywhere meaningful? .. anyway, have a nice day :)
125 Guzz (#) Oct 13th, 2012 - 04:26 pm Report abuse
You aleays have good excuses to leach in SA, in my case, I could easily take a loan while studying, doubling up my beca in a heartbeat and work tax-free at sea for a year to properly leach of the danes. Keep your cash, I'm only interested in the know-how :)
126 Yuleno (#) Oct 13th, 2012 - 04:48 pm Report abuse
Ghana and Elliot have sent a team to Somalia for advice on negotiating a ransom.Seems that the plan isn't working as expected and Ghana are at a loss with how to get out of a situation they hadn't planned for.
Capt Poppy the ex-sailor has volunteered to sail the stolen ship into international waters and abandon it.
Poppy do you still remember how to do it,because you have lost your naval discipline which is so important when managing a large ship.One slip and you could be kidnapped.
Don't worry though the press will democratically drawn a veil of silence and thwart the kidnappers.Yankeeboy the ace negotiator will handle one to one contact with the kidnappers.Its a wonderful world.
127 ChrisR (#) Oct 13th, 2012 - 05:36 pm Report abuse
126 Yulenodoesnotknow

Very funny but you have the country wrong: it's the high level argi-prats who are going to Somalia.

They say it is safer there than in BsAs.
128 Leifur_Heppni (#) Oct 13th, 2012 - 06:12 pm Report abuse
@124 ICFreedom
Guzz says he studies in Denmark, so he must be altleast 35 years old, since in Argentina people study in Uni's till their 40's.

But you are right, you never know whom you are talking to in internet. it might a kid or a 50 year old bearded malvinero wearing his wife's dress in front of a computer secretly imported from Bolivia.
129 Troy Tempest (#) Oct 13th, 2012 - 06:13 pm Report abuse
@126 Yuleno

“Ghana and Elliot have sent a team to Somalia for advice on negotiating a ransom.Seems that the plan isn't working as expected and Ghana are at a loss with how to get out of a situation they hadn't planned for.”

Weak, silly post Yuleno.

This is NOT like Julian Ass-ange over-staying his welcome in the Ecuadorian Embassy.
When Ghana sees that Argentina does not want to reclaim their ship by paying a relatively small bond, worth only a fraction of the vessel's value, it will be released to creditors.

Elliott will get a bargain and sell it on the open market - legally!

Argentina may not even get credit for its value against their debt.
How embarrassing for Argentinians. I feel sympathy for the average AR citizen. Even when a symbol of national pride is in jeopardy, but offered back with reasonable terms, CFK's government still has a public tantrum.
They have made this situation far worse than it could be. And more public.

Have they no dignity? Pay up the nominal amount quietly, and take your ship home.
130 Captain Poppy (#) Oct 13th, 2012 - 06:54 pm Report abuse assume so much to think I am an ex naval officer. While you are correct in assuming I am ex military......naval was not it. I was a bit more clandestine than the Navy. Nothing more would please me than to meet face to face and demonstrate my MOS.
As for the stolen ship, sue them in a USA court.......bahahahahahahahahaha
131 Yuleno (#) Oct 13th, 2012 - 07:08 pm Report abuse
On this thread the relevant sentence was-

Don't worry though the press will democratically drawn a veil of silence and thwart the kidnappers.

Unfortunately you missed it and went for the story.Little boys love stories don't they.
132 Troy Tempest (#) Oct 13th, 2012 - 07:33 pm Report abuse
@131 Yuleno-boy

“On this thread the relevant sentence was-

Don't worry though the press will democratically drawn a veil of silence and thwart the kidnappers.

Unfortunately you missed it and went for the story.Little boys love stories don't they.”

Yuleno, in fact, it was YOU @126 who brought up the off-topic nonsense about Somalian pirates and ridiculed Yankeeboy and the marine experience of Capt. Poppy.
The little gratuitous Bon-mot of the press not reporting was ridiculous and childish:

@126 Yuleno
“Ghana and Elliot have sent a team to Somalia for advice on negotiating a ransom.Seems that the plan isn't working as expected and Ghana are at a loss with how to get out of a situation they hadn't planned for.
Capt Poppy the ex-sailor has volunteered to sail the stolen ship into international waters and abandon it.
Poppy do you still remember how to do it,because you have lost your naval discipline which is so important when managing a large ship.One slip and you could be kidnapped.
Don't worry though the press will democratically drawn a veil of silence and thwart the kidnappers.Yankeeboy the ace negotiator will handle one to one contact with the kidnappers.Its a wonderful world.”
133 Santa Fe (#) Oct 13th, 2012 - 07:54 pm Report abuse
Oh how embarrassing Ghana impounding your sailing flag ship.... What happened to the fighting spirit of the Argentine Navy...remember the 25 de mayo, or err sante fe or the fleet that ran back to port...humiliation on humiliation
134 Joe Bloggs (#) Oct 13th, 2012 - 08:46 pm Report abuse
Speaking of the press: how many of you on here subscribe to the Penguin News? I'd just be interested to know. From time to time stuff goes on the inside pages that is as contentious as a lot of the stories on here that get people very excited but usually they don't get referred to on here. I find it interesting. Is it that you're just too tight to subscribe or what?
135 Captain Poppy (#) Oct 13th, 2012 - 09:08 pm Report abuse
#33 asslips kirchner castrated all her military. The best they will be able to do is war against their citizens when the botoch bitch orders them to when the people finally have had enough of her tyrantcy
136 Troy Tempest (#) Oct 13th, 2012 - 09:12 pm Report abuse
@134 JOE B

For a start, I know nothing about the Penquin News.

I stumbled across Mercopress when I saw an article about Argentine claims against the Falklands, thirty years after the invasion.

Following the posts on Mercopress for a few weeks, it became clear that there was an organised war of disinformation to turn the public against the Falklands, in order to falsely validate Argentina's claims.

Just refuting the troll crap on this site alone, has kept me busy enough.

Thanks for the 'heads up' though. Perhaps I'll take a look at Penguin News.

Wishing the Falklanders well and much future prosperity.
137 Think (#) Oct 13th, 2012 - 09:14 pm Report abuse
(134) Joe Bloggs

We are all strong supporters of the “Free Press”, dont you know?
138 Troy Tempest (#) Oct 13th, 2012 - 09:26 pm Report abuse
@Joe B

Speaking of Free Press, good job getting out the messages of the FREE people of The Falkland Islands and Self Determination.

This propaganda conflict really highlights the value of news sites like Mercopress and Penquin News.

Self Determination for Falklanders!

Prosperity for Falklands Oil !!

Yay Brits!!!
139 Joe Bloggs (#) Oct 13th, 2012 - 09:52 pm Report abuse
Thanks Troy. It's good to know that you think the trolls' efforts are as transparent as we think they are. Lot's of the stories on here are also in P News but there is an entirely different range of news stories in P News that never makes it on here. May be worth a look if you're interested. For example the Brazilian praise for the Falklands badminton team was interesting. Not exactly towing the party line of LatAm to come out and say all of that about the “Falklands team”.

Thanks for your support.

Sorry old man but our days of chatting come to an end here tonight because your association with Argentina's number one head case on here is not worth the trouble.
140 Troy Tempest (#) Oct 13th, 2012 - 10:29 pm Report abuse
@124 ICFreedom

Welcome to the forum. I imagine you've been watching for awhile.

The conclusions you have drawn were the same as me, after just a short time.

Trolls have multiple identities of course , and that may be why many sound the same with the same limited education.
Let's face it, any Argentinian that had finished University would likely be successful in their business or profession. They would be busy and not likely to need an income from trolling 16 hours a day.

La Campora is composed of dissaffected Argentinians 30-40 y/o. Likely, frustrated, under-achiever s, who are unemployed or underemployed in a poor economy. Predictably, they would be susceptible to propaganda and the lure of La Campora.

TTT (Arifu Go Bak Ski)
and Sussie (Adorrible)
And their many alternative 'personas'
are believed to be La Campora.

Note similarities in style and phrasing etc.
All read from the same script and share the same POV.
They all respond the same way, on cue.
They also ADORE CFK - she can do no wrong!

They all quote articles from WIKI, YouTube, The Guardian, to assert their political positions.
Usual tactics are to
-Change the subject
- DDDD - deflect/deny/distract/distort facts in any argument
- refer to Brit / US ' crimes' 300 years ago, or in Afghsnistan, etc.

“Prvates- Hunter” is really ALEX VARGAS, an angry Argentinian kid, living near Toronto Canada.
He is NOT La Campora. Frankly, he is too stupid and too much of a loose cannon.
PH lives with his parents safely in Cansda, yet incites mob violence in BA. He does not participate himself because he cannot return to Canada if he leaves.
He prefers petty theft and vandalism at 'home'.
He is very very angry, calling on nuking whole populations.
He is a self-proclaimed racist. He hates Canada - his parents brought him as an infant, to escape political persecution and poverty in Argentina.
Not sure why he is angry at “the white man”???
141 Yuleno (#) Oct 13th, 2012 - 10:43 pm Report abuse
Troy.Nice how you are concerned about yankeeboy.Yankeeboy and capt poppy are the same person.They are not slow to ridicule when 'he' wants you can see in post 135.Problem for them/him is that their ridicule is of a person lacking in anything other than base insulting words.I shouldn't defend yanqui puppets for your own good.You are going to find yourself supporting/defending some difficult positions in the future.
On the issue of the press I haven't seen any acknowledgement of the problems in the British press and the investigations by the gvt.Or the fact that the gvt has involvement with the conduct of the press.Nor of the fact that in the USA there are laws governing press impartiality,no matter what effect the laws have.
No matter,I sure there are reasons for it.
142 Guzz (#) Oct 13th, 2012 - 10:57 pm Report abuse
The only sane one in here is conqueror, all the rest are lunatics...
143 Troy Tempest (#) Oct 13th, 2012 - 11:40 pm Report abuse
@142 Guzz

How true... Conq does hate you.

@141 Yuleno

“.I shouldn't defend yanqui puppets for your own good.You are going to find yourself supporting/defending some difficult positions in the future.”

Hmmmm, vaguely threatening,
definitely mysterious.

Captain Poppy has stated many times that you and 'Sussie' think they are the same person, a Brit. A bit ironic coming from you.
BTW, I am not Isolde. :-)

Interesting too, the Falklanders are hinting at a big, positive, event coming soon.

JB seems to 'think' it is time to stop playing nice with the Trolls. You lot must have stepped up your tactics on other forums. I suppose events are moving quickly in BA now, as CFK gambles on her future. Dramatic actions are needed for dramatic times...

Sorry about your cadet boat. Truly a shame, as it is a legitimatic object of Argentinian pride. Despite the rhetoric on here, I'm sure nobody else would want the boat itself. If you were to pay the bond, I'm sure it would be better for everyone.
I regret that average Argentinians will be disheartened and embarrassed by CFK's political grandstanding on the issue.

On another note, glad the “Sussie ” identity is back on meds and subdued. It is so much quieter on here.
Please do everyone a favour though - ask that mentally-ill Alex Vargas to go rant elsewhere. That nuke stuff makes me cringe to hear it. He is really very angry, an embarrassment to your cause, I would think.

Can't wait to hear more on your great mystery, you are all hinting about it.
144 ChrisR (#) Oct 14th, 2012 - 12:05 am Report abuse
143 Troy Tempest

I think you are quite mistaken about the ship.

It is a masterpiece quite unworthy of the present day AG government and reminiscent of when AG could actually make something of lasting value.

It has also had a relatively recent refit.

There are a number of sail training associations around the world that would welcome this ship albeit with a real name on the hull, rather than the discredited one it presently has.
145 Troy Tempest (#) Oct 14th, 2012 - 12:15 am Report abuse
Perhaps you are right.

It is only tainted by recent events.

A shame for the proud citizens of Argentina, though.
146 KretinaKK (#) Oct 14th, 2012 - 02:50 am Report abuse
On the night of the 6th of December, the Kirchner sponsored group “TUPAC” will mobilize from the province of Jujuy to
reach groups Bs.As. and will mob the area south of Buenos Aires; all groups connected to
Peronism on July 26 in the North Zone of the Greater Buenos Aires (Evita of the Humble).
Also the group “Cacho Scarpatti” and all operating factions of the Movement
Peronist Revolution (MPR), headquartered in Córdoba, and will invade the streets.
The “Evita Movement” militant Peronism and to the north, west and south of Buenos Aires, and
especially groups related to “La Campora”, with all sectors grouped in the structure called
“United and organized.”
All of these militants have directives to march to printing factories, TV studios and the Clarin media Building
The same day 7D, by conducting Lt. Col. (R) Berni (second in command to
Nilda Garre, the minister of nations security will direct all
“Dirty operations of the KKS”) that day has ordered the National Guard (Gendarmería) and Argentine Federal Police (PFA)
to occupy by for every single one of the plants of The Clarin newspaper to “support the court's decision.”
Beginning the first days of December, the militant Kirchner group Vatayón Militante
will wreak havoc on the citizens of Argentina ... for the purposes of the following:
Systematic, targeted criminal activity:
Invade and partake in a crime spree of robbery in parts of Recoleta, Belgrano, Palermo and other areas of Capital
especially in homes of opponents and critical journalists, media managers and any person not supportive of the Kirchner government.
Graphics and television executives who will suffer ... street robberies, push in robberies, carjackings and express kidnappings.
They will cause blackouts and power outages in printing factories, and media facilities, the night
the of the 6th of December.
A few days before the 7th of December, they are planning a massive “escape” of prisoners from jails all around the country.
(Orchestrated by the Kirchn
147 Troy Tempest (#) Oct 14th, 2012 - 08:20 am Report abuse
@146 KKK

PH Alex Vargas is excited about TUPAC - he thinks he's going to see a Rap Artist...
148 Guzz (#) Oct 14th, 2012 - 08:25 am Report abuse
Tupac a rap artist... You ignorant puppet :))
149 DanyBerger (#) Oct 14th, 2012 - 09:21 am Report abuse

Thank you very much indeed for advising us about such wonderful and coloured demonstration of pure democracy in action.

The “Pueblo” expressing its wishes under the umbrella of freedom and the most pure democracy thanks to Her Majestic Divine Queen Cristina Elisabet I, loved for all her people of Argentina (with few haters exception no names here) and admired in the world (with some exceptions like idiots in harvest Uni with poop cow smell and not brain at all).

I’m very disappointed with “La Canporra” because didn’t make such event publicly available.

Anyway I will not miss such appointment because sure I will be a lot of fun printing graffiti’s in the walls of “ClarinMiente” and “La destrucion”

Can I bring “casseroles”, “saucepan” whistles and some cool drinks?

I promise to bring with me good quality and brand new set of “casseroles”, because the “casseroles” of the last “del campo” and the “Barrio norte” demonstration were cheap and nasty stuff made of poor quality aluminium, they sure have not class at all.

7D the most happy day in my life and sure I can extend that feelings to all good, honest and hard working Argentines.

BTW have you any information about Queen Cristina Elisabet I re-election?

Because I would like to vote for her this time...
150 briton (#) Oct 14th, 2012 - 11:19 am Report abuse
There is no FREE press in argentina,

All you get nowadays is,
The kitcheners times,
The Christina weekly
And the Fernandez daily orders.

151 Guzz (#) Oct 14th, 2012 - 11:27 am Report abuse
That's 3 sources of information, you lot have CNN and derivatives...
152 briton (#) Oct 14th, 2012 - 11:37 am Report abuse
never watch CNN,

i stick with either the BBC or Sky news,
the Euro new is rubbish.
153 Guzz (#) Oct 14th, 2012 - 11:59 am Report abuse
...and that would be the derivatives ;)
154 yankeeboy (#) Oct 14th, 2012 - 12:20 pm Report abuse
146. I'm not sure all of that will happen but CFK is after Clarin and the family that owns it.
If I were them I would stop billing and shut down the cable/internet system now, lay off all of the employees then move the equipment into a secure location.
No TV will get people really riled up before the Nov protest.
155 KretinaKK (#) Oct 14th, 2012 - 12:44 pm Report abuse
I went to a meeting at one of the La Campora's offices LaRioja St. #847 and they were passing around a flyer with all of the information that I put in message #146. I translated it the best I could to english. Everybody has to be really careful in the next few months. I live here and I feel things are going to get very ugly as the tension is so thick here in the streets, in the local media and the groups that support Kretina will do ANYTHING to stay in power and a hold of control of the money. They will not go out without a fight. I wish I could leave but I don't have a place to go.
156 yankeeboy (#) Oct 14th, 2012 - 12:50 pm Report abuse
You are right CFK will not go without damaging the country and its people. There will be blood.
That is exactly why this militant group was established and is run my MaxiK.
Post the flyer to photobucket so we can see it.
I am anxiously awaiting the protests
Worried about my friends and family in BA though
157 Yuleno (#) Oct 14th, 2012 - 02:29 pm Report abuse
You'll be able to pick up a flyer and photograph relevant graffiti on your visit to BA next month.You will be able to pich up memorabilia for Poppy as his in laws could collect it in the interim.
158 yankeeboy (#) Oct 14th, 2012 - 03:01 pm Report abuse
Yes I could but if it looks like an immanent collapse I will cancel the trip. I would hate to be in the middle of something nasty and I am not going for any particular reason anyway.
I remember one protest in 2002 where my bldg admin advised everyone to stay inside and close the blinds so they didn't damage the bldg.
159 DanyBerger (#) Oct 14th, 2012 - 05:34 pm Report abuse

“I wish I could leave but I don't have a place to go.”

And how is that?

You can go to US, UK, F@ckland Islands, Spain, Greece, Ireland, Iceland, Italy, Chile, Peru, Colombia, etc, etc.

Don’t waste your future in Argentina and leave now, ask super rich “YankeeLadyBoy” if he cans pick up you from airport with his limousine, host you in his mansion in US and help you to find a well pay and wonderful job in his town.

But if you are looking for something more sophisticated, glamorous and with posh accent from Cockneyland you can ask “ConquerTrolo” sure he will be able to help you to find accommodation in glamorous Clapham Junction, Brixton, Oval, Vauxhall, etc.

If you need some financial support just put a donate button link in your post, sure Rich Islanders will donate like crazies to help you to escape from Argentina and go to F@cland free of crime, super rich and with mansions all over the place and with the most expensive cars you have ever seen.

BTW can we have any possibility that if you can archive you leaving dream from Argentina you can sign a legal contract saying I will not spam any forum again please?

Thank You
160 Troy Tempest (#) Oct 14th, 2012 - 06:12 pm Report abuse
@155 KKK

thanks for bringing all this to our attention, and giving us some background information.

@159 Dunny

Must be a slow day at the La Csmpora nursery.
Typical that you have nothing relevant to say about La campora's actions , but you only attack the Truth-Telling-Messenger.
161 Think (#) Oct 14th, 2012 - 07:18 pm Report abuse
Agent X-2-Zero reporting to Troy Tempest!
Never saw that episode
162 Ayayay (#) Oct 14th, 2012 - 07:28 pm Report abuse
Isn't December the month that Chavez is planning the devaluation to half? It's going to be interesting to middle class Argentines to see the result. Especially sine Venezuela imports much of it's nom.
163 Troy Tempest (#) Oct 14th, 2012 - 07:51 pm Report abuse
@161 think

LOL !!
about time, Think.

Did you Google to find out who Troy Tempest was???
164 Ayayay (#) Oct 14th, 2012 - 08:48 pm Report abuse
165 KretinaKK (#) Oct 14th, 2012 - 09:01 pm Report abuse
Worldwide “CACEROLAZO” protest against Kirchner government
TORONTO - Argentina Consulate - 5001 Yonge Street - 7 PM

BARCELONA - Argentina Consulate - Paseo de Gracia 11
MADRID - Argentina Consulate - Serrano 90
MALAGA - Avda principal y calle Larios - 20 h
PALMA DE MALLORCA - Argentina Consulate - Sant Miquel 30

MIAMI BEACH – Colins y 73, frente restaurant Manolo's.
Right in the heart of “Little Argentina” in Miami beach - 6PM Local Time
WASHINGTON DC - Argentina Consulate & Embassy,1600 New Hampshire Av Northwest Washington DC - 6 PM hora local
NEW YORK - Argentina Consulate - 12 West 56th Street, (entre 5ta. & 6ta. Ave) NY - 6 PM hora local
BOSTON - Massachusetts - Downtown Crossing - 18 hora local

HAMBURG - Argentina Consulate - Mittelweg 141- 19 h

STOCKHOLM - Argentine Embassy - Narvavägen 32 - Estación de tren Karlaplan - 7 PM hora local.
Meeting Place: fuente de la plaza a la salida de la estación de tren Karlaplan
Fountain in the plaza at the train station exit Karlaplan

LONDON - Argentina Embassy - 65 Brook Street London WIK 4AH - 19 h

ROME - Argentina Consulate - Via Vittorio Veneto 7 - 19 h
Meeting place: Piazza in front of the consulate

VALPARAISO - Argentina Consulate - Blanco 890 (corner of Gomez Carreño)

MEXICO DF - Argentina Embassy - Av Paseo de las Palmas 1685, Colonia Lomas de Chapultepec

PUNTA DEL ESTE - in front of La Mano, en la Brava - 7PM November 8th

BOGOTA – Parque El Virrey in front of Illy – 18 h
166 Guzz (#) Oct 14th, 2012 - 09:05 pm Report abuse
Jajajaja Kretina
Cacerolas in Pta del Este :)) How symbolic... Poor burguesitos :)))
167 Troy Tempest (#) Oct 14th, 2012 - 10:39 pm Report abuse
@148 Guzz

”Tupac a rap artist... You ignorant puppet :))”

I'm not the puppet, says Troy Tempest.
You're the one with a hand up your ass making you speak.
168 Ayayay (#) Oct 15th, 2012 - 12:49 am Report abuse
Isn't a corralito felt by the burgesitos first?
169 brit abroad (#) Oct 15th, 2012 - 03:48 am Report abuse
Quote Arifu_Gobakuwi

“Argentines therefore cannot be Latins, as Latins originate in Europe.”

You pratt! Agentines by percentage of genetic make-up did orginate from Europe!!!!
170 Troy Tempest (#) Oct 15th, 2012 - 06:49 am Report abuse
@161 Think

Visit me on Face Book:
171 Pirat-Hunter (#) Oct 15th, 2012 - 08:25 am Report abuse
As many Argentines i don't come here to socialize with perverts and homosexuals, I am much more interested to know how much money Monsanto will be fined for tax evasion in Argentina, this sad article seems to be the best news mercopress could offer, some cheerful support for yet another sponsored foreign news outlet.
172 Captain Poppy (#) Oct 15th, 2012 - 10:12 am Report abuse
PH as usual brings up the homosexual concern. Being an angry latent homosexual himself, struggling with his or her own sexuality. There would be no other reason to inject these bloggs with a sexual statement. PH, if you are in argentina, they have the highest rates of psychotherapists in the world. They can help you accept your homosexuality, or at least not be so angry about it....for free too! And, if you wish a sex change, you can change to birth as well. So do not fear and be so angry young child.
173 Yuleno (#) Oct 15th, 2012 - 11:20 am Report abuse
Poppy.seems to me you are the one with sexuality problems.Must be because of all the years you spent with your men when you were active.
PH was concerned about a multinational company not paying the legal tax requirement in Argentina. How is it you missed that.
174 Captain Poppy (#) Oct 15th, 2012 - 12:07 pm Report abuse
yulena.....please enlighten me about my duty...what branch, what my MOS was and WHERE I served? I have NEVER called anyone a homosexual or little jungle monkey's always bring it up. So again.....anwser my question about my service please.
175 agent999 (#) Oct 15th, 2012 - 01:15 pm Report abuse

It seems to be pre-teen sort of thing to rant about homosexual, perverts, arses etc.

Its like they have just learnt these bad words and must use them as much as possible to “shock” and “upset” people, all a bit pathetic really.
176 Yuleno (#) Oct 15th, 2012 - 01:32 pm Report abuse
Poppy you are very poor on accuracy.You didn't have a gun did you .You just gave orders didn't you.Have I to go back in mercopress to find a couple of quotes from you on your service matters.
And what is wrong with bring up your service activity.Is there something wrong?
177 Troy Tempest (#) Oct 15th, 2012 - 03:14 pm Report abuse
@171 PH Alex Vargas

What goes your continued ranting about Monsanto have to do with CFK intimidating and attacking the free press in Argentina.

You have nothing relevant to add to these subjects - Capt. Poppy , Alex does not live in Argentina, and never will.

You are so impotent - when you can't argue, you name-call.
You know what they say about people that are overt Homophobes, right????

Fail troll. LOL
178 Captain Poppy (#) Oct 15th, 2012 - 03:28 pm Report abuse
Once again indian tree monkeys like you yulena have to try and guess. Bring it up all you want, go back for the quotes. But again, you know nothing of it. But I will tell that I certainly left my impression for what I did and where I did it.
Alex lives north of me in Canada and both him and yulena are either homophobes or closet homosexuals. Personally, to each there own. But they anger must likely stems that they are closeted because the “lab”, aka la campora frowns on shemales.
179 Yuleno (#) Oct 15th, 2012 - 03:33 pm Report abuse
Poppy where is your service discipline.Your making wild and sweeping claims without surveying the terrain.
Tell us all about some of the marks you've left Captain.Is there any newspaper reports about them.
180 Ayayay (#) Oct 15th, 2012 - 04:49 pm Report abuse
Ambassador Nancy Soderberg is a former
Ambassador to the United Nations. Dr. Karin
Karlekar is the project director of Freedom of
the Press at Freedom House:
181 Captain Poppy (#) Oct 15th, 2012 - 05:05 pm Report abuse
Surveying the terrain, guess boi, this is talk, not a field operation. I would prefer to give you a hands on demonstration of what I did. From a macro POV, papers printed a lot, won't find anything. If you think I need to proof anything to a guerilla such as yourself, think again.
If anyone made a wild a sweeping acssertion it is you thinking you know my background by claiming I was Navy. I defined my MOS once, find it.
Now get back to the topic of assholelips kirchner repressing the media.
182 Ayayay (#) Oct 15th, 2012 - 06:16 pm Report abuse
Those green countries on the map must be pretty nice!
183 Captain Poppy (#) Oct 15th, 2012 - 06:29 pm Report abuse
While the queen asshole may repress the freedom of speech, she cannot stop next monts protests around the world.:

ESPAÑA, 20hs (horario local)
DIRECCIÓN: Paseo de Gracia 11, 2º Piso, Escalera B
08007 Barcelona – España
-PALMA DE MALLORCA - Consulado Argentino - Sant Miquel 30, 4º C Palma
-MALAGA - Avda principal y calle Larios.
EEUU, 18hs (horario local)
-MIAMI BEACH – Colins y la 73 calle, frente al restaurant Manolo's. Pleno corazon de la Pequeña Argentina en Miami Beach.
-Washington DC, VA, MD y metro area
1600 New Hampshire Avenue Northwest Washington
-NEW YORK - Consulado Argentino en NYC 12 West 56th Street, (entre 5ta. & 6ta. Ave) New York, NY el 8 de Noviembre a las 6PM.
-BOSTON, Massachusetts, Downtown Crossing, 18hs hora local.
-CHICAGO - Consulado argentino - 205 N. Michigan Ave, suite 4209, 6PM
-HAMBURGO. Frente al Consulado. Mittelweg 141
D-20148 Hamburg.
-RIO DE JANEIRO: Frente al Consulado Argentino. Praia de Botafogo, 228 slj. 201, Botafogo.
-BELO HORIZONTE, frente al consulado 20hs. Rua Ceará 1566, 6to. andar.
-TORONTO - Consulado de Argentina - 5001 Yonge Street a las 7 PM - HORA LOCAL
-VALPARAISO - Consulado Argentino en Valparaiso - Chile. Blanco 890 (con Gomez Carreño)
-SANTIAGO, en Plaza Italia a las 19 horas.
-TEL AVIV. Medinat Hayehudim 85 3rd. Floor 46120, Herzliya Pituach, Israel
- DF Embajada - Av Paseo de las Palmas 1685 , Colonia Lomas de Chapultepec, México DF
And Uruguay and Venezula
184 Pirat-Hunter (#) Oct 15th, 2012 - 06:41 pm Report abuse
Montsanto tax evasion is way more important then this lies about the Argentine government , that's why I think most people here jumping to the occasion are British homosexuals and perverts looking for Latin warm company and if you consider the personal attacks against each other rather then discussing the news at hand the truth will surface, just say the word homo and they will rise to the occasion out of the woodwork. How much hypocrisy can mr english afford, well! You be the judge.
Now that you know the truth about CNN why would you be worried about another country like Argentina unless you don't really care about the freedom of the press as you might have prophesied but you are here to nurse the need for Latin slongesh.
185 Captain Poppy (#) Oct 15th, 2012 - 06:49 pm Report abuse
Latent homosexual.......miss having your mouth full and on your knees ph? Miss your daddy?
Can you trolls find real references?
186 Troy Tempest (#) Oct 15th, 2012 - 06:54 pm Report abuse

“Now that you know the truth about CNN why would you be worried about another country like Argentina unless you don't really care about the freedom of the press as you might have prophesied but you are here to nurse the need for Latin slongesh.”

Hmmmm, besides being off-topic, what does homosexuality have to do with Argentina shutting down the press for being critical of the government?

You seem obsessed with the subject. :-D
I guess it beats having an intellectual discussion, or were you molested as a child?
There are social services for that.

Oh, wait, you're not entitled to that, are you?
187 Captain Poppy (#) Oct 15th, 2012 - 07:27 pm Report abuse
His father repeatly raped him and his momma removed him from her nipple too soon.
188 ICFreedom (#) Oct 15th, 2012 - 07:37 pm Report abuse
my wife came to the states recently from Argentina;
its interesting to see her perspective change now that she is 'outside looking in'..
she see's all the goofiness of the kirchner govt and it's impact being reported in other publications outside of 'clarin miente' by international media.

many in RG (like my wife) believed the press in her country was just out to get the president(and likely so) but then she finds out the world opinion is based on quite solid ground - that kirchner is erratic, doesnt pay the bills, enriched herself on behalf of her people, sqaushed investigations, bought votes and is leading her country into the toilet and it's not just 'clarin miente' reporting it this time .
189 Ayayay (#) Oct 15th, 2012 - 07:40 pm Report abuse
Ghana is ranked higher than Argentina's gov in:

Freedom of the Press

Judicial system

190 Troy Tempest (#) Oct 15th, 2012 - 09:40 pm Report abuse
@187 Poppy

“His father repeatly raped him and his momma removed him from her nipple too soon”

We don't know that, but PH (Alex Vargas) is very very angry, when he has had am opportunity to a good life and education in Canada.

Can't figure that out unless something happened to make him lash out at authority figures and Whites, with self-righteous indignation.

Could be self-loathing from sexual abuse.
He very vocally accuses others of being homosexual, in nearly every post, obsessed for some reason.

Rants about nuking children make me think he's mentally-ill, though.
191 ICFreedom (#) Oct 15th, 2012 - 10:32 pm Report abuse
@184 -the real story is how AFIP is being used as the political weapon of choice against any business not favorable to the Kirchner regime, and typically one would see this tactic in the weakest economies of the world. But that has nothing to do with this article, so why exactly is this relevant to freedom of press dear pirat?
192 Captain Poppy (#) Oct 15th, 2012 - 11:45 pm Report abuse
You are correct Troy, we don't know that. However his homosexual outbursts indicate same sex sexual abuse and his anger to the white man also suggests his long internalized anger of being indigenous SA. I bet his aggressive nature is subdued in social setting in Canada among his teen peers. There are plenty of studies that suggest that children breast feed have less behavior problems and adopt to societal norms with less aggression than those bottle feed or weaned too soon.
Hence .......alex vargas
193 Troy Tempest (#) Oct 16th, 2012 - 03:04 am Report abuse
@192 Poppy

Alex Vargas says exactly the same things on each website - regardless of topic.

RT forum:

”Alex Vargas (unregistered) October 06, 2012, 02:23 quote +5
CIA and mossad did a great job killing jews in the AMIA terror attack, we all know who has a working terror network don't we, CIA, mossad and mi6 always kill civilians to promote their agenda, just look at Palestine, Afghanistan and Iraq with more terrorist now then when they where run by the the so called terrorists. if you think of the past, the terrorists did a better job then the occupiers, murderers and thieves from CIA, mossad and mi6.”
194 Captain Poppy (#) Oct 16th, 2012 - 10:19 am Report abuse
Wh have some crazy conspiracy theorists here in the USA that still believe the government are holding aliens in Rosewell. He may very well be one one them.
195 ChrisR (#) Oct 16th, 2012 - 01:12 pm Report abuse
194 Captain Poppy

You mean they are NOT holding aliens in Roswell?

That's like telling a child that Father Christmas is not real! LOLs
196 Captain Poppy (#) Oct 16th, 2012 - 03:28 pm Report abuse
Yes they are......they call the RG's.
197 Pirat-Hunter (#) Oct 16th, 2012 - 06:43 pm Report abuse
Denial is futile I love CFK and I do hope she takes down all media propaganda. From Argentina's air waves as well as stopping any dollar used to buy weapons and drugs. We really do mean to end all terrorists in Argentina with or without Anyone's help we fight alone because we aren't cowards as other nations who never never fight to man nor alone.
198 Troy Tempest (#) Oct 16th, 2012 - 07:17 pm Report abuse
@197 Argie Alex in Canada

“Denial is futile...”

Are you the 'Borg'?

Is CFK the cybernetic 'Borg Queen'????

“We fight alone...”

We ????? not you.

“we are not cowards...” Really???

You are delusional.

YOU are in Canada and will remain here until MI6 and CSIS come for you.

199 Captain Poppy (#) Oct 16th, 2012 - 07:56 pm Report abuse
Troy......this kid was really educated on utube. He is absolutely incapable of finding anything to reference other tabloid quality Utube screams his age.
200 Troy Tempest (#) Oct 17th, 2012 - 02:09 am Report abuse
@199 Poppy

Alex Vargas on Facebook
201 DanyBerger (#) Oct 17th, 2012 - 07:42 am Report abuse

Good hunting ha ha

Alex Jones and Amber Lyon exposing another corrupted media Group manipulating information for their own interests like ClarinMiente, La Destruccion & co.

7D coming...
202 Captain Poppy (#) Oct 17th, 2012 - 10:35 am Report abuse
Troy, these trolls remind me of the German people in the 30's, blinding following their leader like the Pied Piper who will walk them off the cliff like Hitler.
203 Yuleno (#) Oct 17th, 2012 - 01:14 pm Report abuse
For yanqui free press but not freedom to desemiate information .
204 Captain Poppy (#) Oct 17th, 2012 - 02:26 pm Report abuse
Are you aware that in the USA, any law can be enacted and it is legal until it is overturned by the Supreme Court of the United States?
But to your point yulena, who fired the reporter? The media or the government?
205 DanyBerger (#) Oct 17th, 2012 - 05:08 pm Report abuse
Bla, bla bla and more BS.

Yanks want to lecture others a bout freedom that they ever had at home and economy when are falling like stones in the water.

Idiots indoctrinated and still missing “Joseph Raymond McCarthy” and “John Edgar Hoover”.

US is a corrupted country and closer to default than ever...
206 Captain Poppy (#) Oct 17th, 2012 - 06:33 pm Report abuse
Talk about it when we default, until we do, the cholo's in argentina holds that esteemed record.
207 ICFreedom (#) Oct 17th, 2012 - 06:54 pm Report abuse
@140 Troy_Tempest, thank you for the welcome and explanation of some of the posters, that explains a lot!!
@128 Leifu_Heppni - that was too funny, thanks for the laugh!

I live in the states (Cali), work for a financial related company, visit argentina when we can afford it
(my wife is from a small community in Argentina, and recently moved to the US).
I would say with the political climate being what it is right now, we have decided
to delay plans to go there in January - we are just not sure if we'll have trouble travelling with our
personal electronics, US Currency, or if her travel status back to the U.S. will be in question on return.
BTW: My last visit to Argentina I was stopped and detained, my bags emptied, money counted (thank god i didnt have
much) and signed a form saying i was detained, they found nothing and have a nice day (in spanish) this was in Rosario..
Was followed by their police/customs the entire time at the airport with a guard stationed within 20 feet anywhere i
decided to go (which wasnt very far considering rosario is small, but where i went, they went also..)
I know it sounds paranoid, but the old adage is 'better safe than sorry'..
208 Captain Poppy (#) Oct 17th, 2012 - 07:02 pm Report abuse
IC....I assumne you are American like me. My wife is a portena, I go to Buenos AIres at least every year....when were you last there? I've never had touble at customs, the airport or with police. This must have been very the last couple of months?
209 ICFreedom (#) Oct 17th, 2012 - 07:35 pm Report abuse
@208 Captain Poppy - yes, i am an American. i was there June 2011 - last year (arrived and left at Rosario airport via peru/mexico) - this was before the recent restrictions on dollars and travel. my wife did still have to fill out a form then asking for permission and explain travel plans in addition to proof of the airport .my wife said they were just looking for drugs.. idk.. but that was my experience.
210 Captain Poppy (#) Oct 17th, 2012 - 08:31 pm Report abuse
We fly into Ezieza (Pistarini) have really never had any trouble. Most of the time we're staying in Recoleta with family. I was there this February/March. Perhaps it's the smaller cities/towns where they are more suspect. I'm a strict debit/credit card user so I really do not carry cash. I get loacl pesos when I there for cabs and tips. Funny how you can pay at a restuarant with your card but they really want the tips in cash. Probably so the owners don't screw them. Ever flash the greenbacks at them? I was a Loi's once and went to tip the bell boy and said “ lo siento, Yo solo tengo dolares” man his eyes lit up like the sun. Was suppose to head there next month but have to put it off until January, but the wife is heading back.
211 Yuleno (#) Oct 17th, 2012 - 09:34 pm Report abuse
Perhaps your wife can travel with yankeeboy,poppy.He is scared on his own.Argentinians can sense his hatred of Argentinians and he gets frightened.
212 Captain Poppy (#) Oct 17th, 2012 - 10:24 pm Report abuse
Is that your conclusion yulena. I think something else, like being burned by the government. That tends to develop a resentment, like the one my wife has after they robbed her pension.
213 ICFreedom (#) Oct 18th, 2012 - 05:26 pm Report abuse
@21o Captain_poppy - i would agree it's because it's a smaller community/town where there is closer scrutiny.
and yes, i have paid in cash (U.S.) but my wife suggested i not get 'flashy' with it haha.. so, i've since learned to just bring a little as you suggested in your post for tips etc.. and use pesos.

@211 Yuleno - did you have any particular point to your statement? Ordinarily i would take offense,however i find it difficult to get too angry with children, they generally grow up and learn - here's hoping that happens to you soon.
214 Captain Poppy (#) Oct 18th, 2012 - 05:34 pm Report abuse
IC....another thing, I am not sure how often you are there, but when you take a cab, especially in Buenos Aires, don't close the door like it's an AMerican car. Those cabs are tin boxes and when you slam it the doors nearly tear off. The driver will damn near shoot you. ALso only take a taxi with a radio (2 way) in it. The other are have a higher likihood of being corrupt or worse.
215 ICFreedom (#) Oct 18th, 2012 - 05:47 pm Report abuse
thanks captain poppy for the advice! good to know!
216 Yuleno (#) Oct 18th, 2012 - 07:14 pm Report abuse
213# Thanks for your kind words.I'm sure you realise how much they mean.
217 Captain Poppy (#) Oct 18th, 2012 - 11:37 pm Report abuse
IC yulena is an angry cholo, upset with his skin and a does not believe inn hard work nor individual wealth.
218 Yuleno (#) Oct 19th, 2012 - 12:13 pm Report abuse
Your right again popsy.How do you do it.was your training in psychological profiling.Admirable.
Yankeeboy is not so smart,his he.He must be younger and still learning.
219 Captain Poppy (#) Oct 19th, 2012 - 03:33 pm Report abuse
Yulena.....have I ever told you how good you would look wearing the end result of a Barret ?
220 Yuleno (#) Oct 19th, 2012 - 10:01 pm Report abuse
No you haven't popsy.But are you telling me now?
221 Captain Poppy (#) Oct 20th, 2012 - 12:21 am Report abuse
Yes, but unfortunately I tend to dream of the fun days gone by. I'm sure you are fit and trim and you could carry an extra 700 grams of weight and look your best.
222 ChrisR (#) Oct 20th, 2012 - 02:33 pm Report abuse
@221 Captain Poppy

Let's not get overexcited here!

The standard Barrett 0.50 cal round has a 661 GRAIN bullet head, which is the usual loading for 50 BMG, this is 42.83 g.

700 grams is almost ONE AND A HALF POUNDS!!!

I thought the 50 cal was big, but that would be huge!! :o)
223 Yuleno (#) Oct 20th, 2012 - 03:25 pm Report abuse
What can I say popsy.
224 Captain Poppy (#) Oct 20th, 2012 - 08:29 pm Report abuse
Typo Chris. We gringos still use an old systems of weights and measure. 661 grains is more of a ball round (head use) the API's rounds tend to be closer to 600 grains. Have you ever had the opportunity to see the end result? It's quite impressive in what's removed and or penetrated.
225 Yuleno (#) Oct 20th, 2012 - 09:56 pm Report abuse
Yawn yawn
226 Captain Poppy (#) Oct 21st, 2012 - 01:22 am Report abuse
Anything to put you to sleep yulena.....btw, thanks for popsey, I really like it and want to get my grandson to go from poppy to popsey.
227 Troy Tempest (#) Oct 21st, 2012 - 05:04 am Report abuse
@226 Popsey

“Popsey” - kinda folksy and nice.

Like the way kids affectionately talk to an older experienced person they admire.

Perfect for your grandson, and others...
228 Captain Poppy (#) Oct 21st, 2012 - 07:04 am Report abuse
My little man always called me Poppy....I really like Popsey. Kudos Yuleno.......this gringo thanks you.

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