Argentina evacuates impounded frigate; Monday Timerman begins lobbying at the UN
The Argentine government ordered on Saturday the evacuation of the naval training frigate ARA Libertad impounded in Ghana by international creditors, following the warning made on Friday that complaints would be taken to the UN over the controversy.
Foreign Minister Héctor Timerman and Defence Minister Arturo Puricelli gave a press conference Saturday evening from Government House in Buenos Aires, reading a communiqué sent by President Cristina Fernández, in which she ordered the evacuation of the ship
“President Cristina Fernandez has decided the immediate evacuation of all the crew members, Argentine and non Argentines so as to preserve their physical integrity and dignity leaving on board the Captain and a minimum number of sailors for the maintenance of the frigate while it remains retained” in the port of Tema, Ghana, said Minister Timerman.
The frigate has been retained since 2 October in Ghana on an injunction order from a New York court on request from New York and Caribbean based funds holders of Argentine defaulted sovereign bonds and which pretend to collect full principal and interests.
Timerman said that “Argentina makes the government of Ghana responsible for all and every damage that the frigate ARA Libertad might suffer until its release, as well as all the costs generated because of an illegal action that violates international law”.
The Argentine minister added that on Monday, on specific instructions from President Cristina Fernandez, he will be meeting with the president of the UN Security Council in New York, “as well as with all those committees that address violations of human rights, international treaties and financial crimes”.
“The ruling from the Ghana Justice which orders the retention of the Frigate ARA Libertad not only violates international treaties which oblige Ghana to guarantee the immunity of war vessels, but also has put at risk the human rights of the 326 crewmembers on board, among which citizens from Brazil, Chile, Uruguay, Paraguay, Venezuela, Ecuador, Bolivia and South Africa”, added the communiqué read by Timerman.
In direct criticism to the Ghana court ruling upholding the impound and banning ARA Libertad from bunkering, Timerman said that “the only reply from the magistrate to an Argentine request which contemplates the possibility of a tragedy, and the impossibility of providing the basic elements for any human being, was that we reach an agreement with the ‘vulture fund’ which presented the demand. It is then clear the intention of the magistrate to force a sovereign country to negotiate with an entity dedicated to financial piracy from its hideout in the Caribbean. That option, as was clearly stated yesterday (Friday) is the only unacceptable for Argentina”.
Standing next to Defence minister Arturo Puricelli Timerman concluded that an act “which ‘prima facie’ seemed a commercial impound has dropped its mask and is exposing the true face of the power of the ‘vulture funds’ that from their fiscal hideouts organize attacks which are none less than an abduction, an extortion and a piracy act against a sovereign country, founding member of the UN and of acknowledged participation in countless peace missions in the five continents”.
The ‘vulture funds’ in this particular case are demanding payment of over 300 million dollars in Argentine sovereign bonds which were not included in the voluntary restructuring of Argentina’s massive default in 2001. Between 2005 and 2010 Argentina managed to come to terms with 93% of bond holders, however there are still 7% pending most of them in the hands of these funds that precisely take advantage of these situations and try by all means (including impounding assets overseas) to collect the face value plus interests of those documents.
The defendant, in this case the Argentine Foreign Ministry, its representatives, agents including ARA Libertad Captain Lucio Salónica and the crew are barred from moving the vessel from the port of Tema without a new order from the court, according to last week’s ruling at the Accra High Court.
The plaintiff said it would accept a deposit bail of 20 million dollars to release the vessel but the Argentine government rejected the option point blank.
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Chuckle Chuckle...
Pay up or it will be your aircraft next.
Very very disappointing.
Why not just sail out of that place? They are a navy ship for Christs sake. Have some balls and fight it out, don't surrender.
I think the tie is still attached to CFK's bed, ministerial punishment !
As I wrote somewhere else......
This is turning into a total “win-win” situation for Argentina.....
1) We get rid of an anachronical symbol of the undeserved privileges of our Armed Farces.......
2) We get rid of a ship that leeches the Argentinean State for some 15 million U$D a year.
15 U$D million would pay for many rural schools in Argentina......
3) Internally, despite the best efforts of the “Grupo Clarin”, this episode is educating us about the true nature of the “International Financial System” and uniting us against its most nefarious effects and intentions.
4) Externally, this episode will show the rest of the world that Argentina in particular and South-America in general is not ruled by ”Self-Appointed Administrators of Hedge Funds and Banks, but by Elected Politicians with Valid Plans, Ideas and Aspirations for their respective Peoples and Countries.
5) I really envy the Captain of the “ARA Libertad” position....
He has the historical chance of becoming the first Argentinean officer in AGES to do an honorable thing….....… Let's hope he grabs it...
I wouldn't hesitate a second.
El Think
The ball is rolling with momentum now, if NML or another creditor could coordinate seizure of Aerolineas assets then that's real progress. Still reckon YPF is the best target made vulnerable by nationalisation, interesting times...
He has the historical chance of becoming the first Argentinean officer in AGES to do an honorable thing….....… Let's hope he grabs it...
I wouldn't hesitate a second.
El Think'
You are going to top yourself? really? Can we watch...?
The Chief engineer should be sent home in disgrace... not enough fuel to keep the lights burning? Whatever happened to keeping a good reserve of bunkers on board ?
So no chance of 'doing a runner' then....
“Argentina makes the government of Ghana responsible for all and every damage that the frigate ARA Libertad might suffer until its release, as well as all the costs generated because of an illegal action that violates international law”.
Still can't accept responsibility for ANYTHING. If Argentina didn't spend so much time dodging the bailiffs it would never have come to this.
I think the message about the sailors anger was relayed to CFKC so she has released them while she refuses to speak to the very people she should be talking to. Notice the pattern of her behaviour?
But all credit for working in 'Pirates of the Caribbean' into the speech.
What a joke of a government and a joke of a country, PLEASE SOMEONE INVADE US AND MAKE US INTO A REAL COUNTRY we are such a joke!
I propose to start an immediate campaign with a collection of 10 Argentine pesos each volunteer for this bond because it seems that we all pay taxes do not reach for it. (sic)
The frigate can recover MORNING. This government does not have any interest or encourage patriotism.
Frigate for everyone but urgent PRIVATE collection. Los Argentinos is our government not representing us occasionally ..
International debt is much higher than the 20 million that we are asked to take her tomorrow.
Let this solution left to bureaucrats and well and give the order to evacuate the marine is a national disgrace, showing disinterest in our flagship vessel and also implying that there is not a weight.
What will our future midshipmen image of government institutions?
and not a troll in sight
Rural schools in Argentina ? Another hotel in Patagonia perhaps .
You mug .
So - Ghana is added to the list of those stiffed by Argies. They should let other foreign nationals return home and secure Argies until all fees paid.
LOL Argentina's answer to Laurel and Hardy or should that be Tweedledum and tweedledummer?
7 Think
you say
This is turning into a total “win-win” situation for Argentina.....
I say
This is turning into a total “win-win” situation for everyone....
you get to get rid of a ship and spend the money on schools ( although I rather think that an money saved will go straight to lining KFC's pockets )
and the REST OF THE WORLD gets to see, first hand, what a bunch of cowards, liars, and thieves the Argentinians truely are......
so everyone is happy then? good!! enjoy your Sunday.
but not good enough.
You know, your country actually has my sympathy,
to be brought so low, when(in 1900) you were riding so high.
What on earth is the matter with you lot?
You have everything,
fertile land,
abundant fresh water,
oil,
minerals,
great potential, but you don't use it. l just don't get it.
You should be the showcase of South America.
Oh of course, its everyone else's fault, not yours.
Yet you waste your time & energy in bleating about a group of lslands that have never been yours(& never will be).
lt must be the people.
I have great sympathy for the sailors proudly representing Argentina but being humiliated by their own government.
”1) We get rid of an anachronical (Sic: anachronistic) symbol of the undeserved privileges of our Armed Farces....... English lesson 103
You have certainly lived up to your deserved reputation as the SECOND BIGGEST LIAR on MP if only for the little gem at the end of 5).
You have demonstrated time after time on here that you do not even understand the concept of RESPECT FOR OTHERS AND UPHOLDING INTERNATIONAL LAW.
So YOU would commit suicide would you? I doubt if anybody on this board, Argies included, believes that for a nanosecond. Come to Uruguay and I will arrange an option for you, FOC!
So in the light of that SUPREME LIE I am changing your second tag to ‘The Coward waiting for suicide’
I think that sums you up nicely, don’t you think, Think?
To the point:
This was always going to be the response of TMBOA once Richard Adjei-Frimpong, Lord Justice of The High Court of Ghana made his judgement and no attempt by Timmidman and Putridjelly at diminishing his status, calling him a corrupt judge and indirectly accusing Ghana of threatening the wellbeing of those on board this ‘warship’ is going to change the facts against Argentina.
Argentina is now firmly fixed on a downward spiral, driven there by someone who has completely lost her mind.
I sympathise with the captain and crew - and fear the loss to the world of a fine beautiful and rare 3 master. $15million a year maybe but surely she brings the ARA a lot of good PR worldwide.
BUT - I read elsewhere that the Arg Govt specifically allowed all its assets as liable guarantee when these loan/investment Credits were first issued- if this is true then I think all Arg can do is - Pay Up! - and for the first time in many years - Honour its word.
As for complaining to the UN and Int Maritime Convention - is Twitman joking? - Who has breached that Convention several times by harrassing innocent vessels exercising right of free passage thorough Arg economic zones etc etc?
Arg fails to understand that in most other Democracies the Govt and the Judiciary - are thankfully seperate. We know CFK has “bought” all your Judges- same does not apply in all other nations.
The real reason Argentina is in such a state is because of the lack of proper education. You are right they have some of the best fertile land in the world. In fact they have a heck of a lot going for them if only their leaders would wake up to that fact. Instead they spend so much time trying to dominate the whole of South America and the Antartica that they have long ago forgot about what they actualy have.
I have said this before now is the time to start educating the Argentine youngsters what is really going on in the world today.
When you see comments from people like THink, then it clearly shows how badly their very existance has become.
On another note it is interesting to see that their flag ship looks set to be stolen from them something they are not used to having happen to them. Maybe now is the time for the rest of the Latin American People to step in and put Argentina firmly in it's place once and for all.
If Argentina continues to use the aggressive ways she does it will eventually destroy them as a Country . We have seen that throughout History.
I can see that two of our usual Turnips in here had an urge to embarrasss themselves, displaying, yet again, their huge ignorance and appalling ethnocentrism......
When, at comment No. (7), I say:
“I really envy the Captain of the “ARA Libertad” position....
He has the historical chance of becoming the first Argentinean officer in AGES to do an honorable thing…. Let's hope he grabs it... I wouldn't hesitate a second.”........
I'm NOT talking about suicide.....
Both Captains happen to be goood Catholics......
Nothing “Honorable” about Suicide when being a Catholic......
On the contrary................................................, it's a Mortal Sin!
What a lovely couple of Anglican Turnips No. (10), Mr. “Frank the Yank” and No. (20), Mr. ChrisR make!
Ps:
Thanks to Squatterette (18) and Squatter (22) for their sincere sympathetic feelings towards the Argentinean Navy.....
They will, surely, appreciate it..... ;-)))
Been a long time coming but these debts will be forced to be honoured, at long last, a productive day but much work to do!
this arg. kitchen government is that crazy that the whole world is laughing about it. there is guaranteed no one that does not laugh, even if they do it behind their hands for political reasons.
hopefully Ghana keeps strong!
I wonder what the arg people say. they must feel very humiliated by their beloved president. how long will they stand behind her? only why she does not pay her debt to private bondholders she leaves a navy ship in a foreign country and evacuates the crew. that is a surrender of the proud arg navy!! i don´t believe it.
LOL! They have been there 5 minutes and this is their second whinge to the UNSC. It is all about them. How long before they are ignored completely?
“How long before they are ignored completely?”
In answer to your question I bet 10:05 am Monday morning.
I do feel sorry for the average Argentine citizen who no doubt feels constantly humiliated by this government.
Also Argentina better be careful what they say. I mean Timidman has all but accused the Ghanaians of threatening the crew of the Libertad. The UN will not suffer any false allegations lightly. In fact, Argentina may find themselves censured if they're not careful.
Argentinas Govt. gets a schooling in international finance by a hedge fund of all people!
The people of Argentina will no longer have to fund this indulgence.
A down payment can be made against interest payments on this 1.6bn debt.
YPF and aircraft next.
There's to much confusion, I can't get no relief.
Bob Dylan
I refute entirely your claim that the Captain should commit suicide (that IS the usual interpretation): as far as we can determine from here HE is the one who followed the Navy Orders to the letter.
The whole circus has come about because AG, yet again, fell into a situation of its own making and one that was entirely foreseeable. Now it makes spurious claims that are entirely predictable by the western posters here.
Again, it is entirely predictable that the sailors were very upset with what passes as diplomats in AG going to the government of Ghana and making the usual threats as if it was the Falklands (there are STILL no Malvinas) with again, entirely predictable results from a fine ex-British trained and educated country living up to their own and International laws. The fact that the sailors did not smack these buffoons around a little is to miss an opportunity of teaching them some manners.
And then we have the edifying spectacle of the MINISTERS of the government going, frankly, berserk in public. And one of them is the AG representative for LatAm to the UNSC no less!! He really believes in representing the whole of the Southern Cone, NOT.
P.S. I thought you knew all about me (you claim). How come you missed the fact that I am an atheist and don’t give a damn for fairy tales, Catholic, Anglican or the stupid mussies. They really helped the Captain, didn’t they?
In other news, the families of the Argentine sailors made it known how unhappy they are at CFKC's mis-handling of the situation. In particular that she gave more attention to her porn-star representative than the plight of the sailors.
“The text, which the family decided not to sign individually to avoid reprisals from the authorities against marine passages is quite hard. ”Did you know that not all crew members have the same ability to communicate with their families because economically it is very expensive because each message or call is charged in dollars?”.
Imagine that? Reprisals for speaking out against CFKC?
When YPFs assets are repossessed and subsequently bankrupted however the people will be less tolerant.
Yes the trolle are on Ghanaian chat boards, and also on the thread about the demonstrations in London, which like these types of demonstrations passed off peacefully, with the demonstrators get their views noted, then all going home.
However, the Ghanaians won't take Argentine threats seriously (I mean who would?), mainly because they know that the Argentine navy is in need of a serious overhaul, their airforce can't cross the Atlantic, and their Army can't be moved, as they have no way to move them.
Even if they did have the ability to project their military that far, the Ghanaians would have the support of the African Union (most notably South Africa and Nigeria) who are not going to allow a bunch of South Americans to attack one of their allies. Nor would the Commonwealth just stand idly by.
Nope, the Argentines are full of hot air, as usual, and they are mired in a situation of their own making.
They will bleat about it to the UNSC, which will say its none of their business, and to everyone who will listen. But they will get nowhere, as the Ghanaians are following their law and international law to the letter.
Yes, like you I have been looking at the self-same pages as well as the 'dreaded' Clarin.
All very critical of the government.
But what do the people, the Policia and the Military do about it? Nada.
The ship promoted peace and cooperation. Very good public relations for your country. CFK has turned the ship into a disgrace. There will be a lot of political anger surfacing against her over this. I cannot imagine who might buy her, except perhaps Monsanto or ...
#10 For those who complain about the ship being low on fuel: When in port with 136 crew aboard, you need A/C for living in cramped conditions, electricity for your freezers with food stores, operational water pressure for fire control, etc... The open seas requires much less energy from the generators.
@3 “Did argentina think because they said they are not paying it back that it just disappears?”. You have just laid justification for terrorism against the United States. Or are you suggesting war crimes are less punishable than debt, especially when the country comitting the crimes refuses to prosecute itself for such evil?
No qualms in making the people suffer for the “horrid” crime of canceling arrears, therefore you are left with no retort when the terrorists decide to make YOU suffer for the deaths your invasions caused. 9/11 is thus a legitimate operation.
@4
July 7, 2005 was a perfectly legitimate mission then. The terrorists did what was required, make the people suffer for the decisions of their government.
@5 “NOOOOOOO. How can Argentina abandon this ship? Have they no pride left? Very very disappointing.”
No doubt you would also be profusely objurgating Argentina if they tried some outlaw mission to recover the vessel. So if Argentina is peaceful, you insult it, if it is not, you insult it. Thank you for proving your hatred on your own.
@9
Does this rambling not dissemble the frustration of every British towards a country that has shamed them disproportionately: by two times humiliating them in urban warfare; by embarrasing them when they attempted to sail OUR rivers and 8 of their ships ended up as reefs; and in 1982 by sinking a few more. This animus arises as Argentina is an unbearable inconvenience to their self-delusions.
@13
This story is only a story here. No one else in ARG or planet Earth cares.
@14
I thought Argentina is dirt poor (to insult us), now it is filthy rich (to insult us here). Another proven case of noetic derangement.
@18, 23
Argentines will NEVER again be friends to the west.
Later haters.
You are correct think, I mean...like honestly, how ridiculous of a system where you borrow money and the creditors expect it back! And on top of that, if a previous presidential administration signs contracts , how can they possibly expect future administrations to honor the terms, including waiving. immunity rights.....what a ridiculous international financial system.
So let's recount:
1-the screwed with the border guards and have a tenuous settlement that is still not completely settled
2-They have totally embarrassed the navy (themselves don't count they always do that, but are not aware) and scapegoated several chiefs of naval services
3- That only leaves the army wondering when they are next!
YPF assets will prove more difficult to sieze, even oil as it is mostly likely imported under another countries flag. I don't believe YPF has assets outside of SA. Aerolinas would be the next logical choice. They fly toMiami and it's nice to know that Singer will fly the passengers back so they can still stay and enjoy Disney World....lol.
Because they had a win in the US Supreme Court should not give them a sense of security. If it were any other bank then the Federal Reserve, Argentina would not have won that case.
I find it amazing the the ship ARA Argentina is sinking and what does cfk do? Orders the crew to start opening all the seacocks. I am convinced that she wants total chaos and poverty in her country....that will be completing here model. I think she wants fiefs, serfs and politicians as classes in their society.
The poor chaps on that ship must be truly embarrassed - this is another terrible blow to the Argentine armed forces. CFK and her cronies are turning Argentina into a ''banana republic''.
I truly feel for the sailors on that ship - you cannot imagine how demoralising this would be.
Wake up Argentina this woman is destroying your proud nation.
TTT, I told you before, you do not speak for the whole world. Your opinion are just your opinions. Now run off back to the Ghanaian blogs like a good boy.
I know you have a completely warped, british, and hallucinatory view of reality, but I didn't say I spoke for the world. In fact, once you are in a brief moment of lucidity, find a quote of mine where I suggested as much.
On the other hand, your jaundiced ramblings do claim to “speak” for the world, ironically by claiming that others don't speak for the world, or their country. And who the heck are you to adduce your biased opinion as more rectitudinous to another? Who are you, I didn't hear you?
I thought so.
You know there is a wonderful news site that would appreciate your viewpoint is run by The Democratic People's Republic of Korea might even understand your global politics. In any case we all here really are very impressed that you understand how the keyboard of your computer works. Why you even know how to compose phrases... I've seen circus acts using trained monkeys do something similar.
You speak for planet earth? Silly boy.
Since when is stating the “sky is blue” is speaking for the universe? It is just an empiric fact.
The empiric facts are, that no one cares about this story.
@45
I think my (rather banal) statement about Chile after 30 years of “miracle” policies, can't manufacture a weather radio hurt. Hope copper last a while.
@7 Meanwhile, the captain of the Libertad is attempting to estimate his chances of being granted political asylum in Ghana. As an alternative to getting shot if he goes back to argieland.
@11 Does Ghana get tropical storms?
@15 I don't see a problem. Ghana removes the vessel from the water to a storage area. “Sorry, massa, no understand how to take down sticks. Many low bridges. Ship keep falling off rollers. Did our best but we can show you where bottom of boat is. Can you glue back? Do you have proof that things you say were on boat? There are many thieves. But we've kept the hole pristine. Where you used to have an engine!” Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah!!
@25 I have a simple solution to this problem. Tow this bit of wood a few miles out to sea and use it as a target.
@34 War? With what? Every argie “warship” is out of action. And when the Royal Navy turns up?
@40 What you need to understand is that mental illness follows from sexually-transmitted disease. Undoubtedly, you have many sexually-transmitted diseases. But not from females. Except apes. Be honest. You're a transexual, perverted faggot. Nothing to be ashamed of. Most argies are.
@42 Not at all. Argieland is now, at least, a “cucumber” republic. A “marrow” republic? Cylindrical? Vegetable? Any offers?
Tips for argies: Take an argie politician. Move to Plaza de Mayo. Take large axe. Chop. And chop. And chop. And chop.
Untill that happens Argentina will stay in this ever deepening rut and world embarrasment.
Anyone with at least two fingers forehead knows that if you have a debt you must pay it or beware of the consecuences and the creditors aren´t compelled to accept the change of the current value and interest rates freely signed by both sides.....so, even it´s very painful specialy for a broken country, the law must be preserved and the word honoured....
Regrettably, from the starts of the K's age and on, Gvt. officers headed by the president have been dedicated to press the international issues and countries around them to hide the internal mismanagement that have led them to the cliff where they are now......Have been acting as a poor little country humilliated by a powerful African Gvt. and a Intl. Fund Holder just because they want to do so with no reason for that attitude.....As ever the Argentine Gvt. is trying to change the whole thing applying a words puzzle to change the truth....Time to the proud Argentine people to ask their Gvt. to act as a democratic, respectful, reliable and smart country to tray to recover their lost image of big, powerful and with bright future country instead current image of non democratic, corrupt, not reliable, bottom level country....You have an enviable rich big country, smart and friendly people to be thrown to the garbage as your leaders are doing....depending on a bipolar atittude of your president.
Don´t transfer your Gvt. fault to the Ghana Gvt. that just acted as intl. law dictate.
Honour the word is the best investiment a man or a country can do.....in any matter you are involved and where it was gave....
You mean like the UK returning the Chagosians, apologizing for Iraq, arresting Blair, paying reparations for Slavery, restituting the Native Americans and Aborigines, apologizing to Argentina for 1806, 1807, and 1845?
Oh that's right, your country is beyond rehabilitation on the world stage, and in inexorable decline and likely dissolving soon.
But hey, at least the Serbians still like you lot.
ahahahahahahahahahahahaha
In your opinion you think no one in Argentina or planet earth cares about this story. (Meaning YOU don't, however, you care enough to post on this thread repeatedly)
In reality a lot of people do care about this story, not least, a lot of Argentines.
You ay:
“The poor chaps on that ship must be truly embarrassed.”
I say:
Yeahhh right....., those poor little cookies!.........
You say:
“This is another terrible blow to the Argentine Armed Farces.”
I say:
Music for my ears! ...............
You say:
“I truly feel for the sailors on that ship - you cannot imagine how demoralising this would be”
I say:
Yet again... Those poor little uniformed cookies!...... Good they have a Brit to “take care” of them!........
You say:
“Wake up, Argentina”....
I say:
That's exactly what we are doing Mr. Bigron...... waking up!......
Are you brain damaged? I'm looking at the evidence of reading the papers of the world (unlike you monolingual anglo I can read 7 different tongues), and by reading my local papers in the last two weeks, and watching the evening news... this story in the last two weeks is barely a blip in national medial, and non-existent internationally.
That is not speaking for anyone, that is just stating an observation based on empirical evidence.
You un the other hand, just claimed “Argentines” care about this story, when you are not even Argentine, you don't even speak the language, understand the culture, read the news, watch the local newscasts, or even live phyisically in the country.
The takes some peremptory gall, to speak as to what others in a society you are not a part of want or think. But then you are british, so I understand. You think the world is there for your service and call, but the world doesn't share your british “values”, sorry.
Return the Chagosians? Many already have returned but they themselves aren't indigenous to those islands as they are actually uninhabitable?
Apologize for Iraq? Why we may have been against the war but at least we got rid of Saddam and his cronies.
Arrest Blair? Get real. He cant even leave his home without being egged.
Reparations for slavery? We abolished slavery in 1807 and cracked down on all other methods by 1833 while using our military might to stop private commerce from utilising it. While Argie land abolished it in 1853 and turned a blind eye to private business and other governments using it in Argentines proximity.
Resisting the natives? As an implanted settler living in a European created country called Argentina you have no right to complain. If you don't like it you can give up your property to a native decedent and leave.
1806/7 and 1845? Only when you apologise for tacking large tracks of land from Brazil, Chile and Uruguay etc and for invading the Falkland in 82.
I was in Arg for the last two weeks and I read and write Spanish very well. The problems facing the country are very much in the news, I'm not sure what papers you are reading. Your navy is imploding and anyone who chooses to ignore that is like Homer Simpson, hiding under a pile of coats, waiting to come out later and everything will have sorted itself out! A great many of your countrymen are very worried about where their country is headed. Why aren't you?
Chagosians: Glib answer.
Iraq: contemptible rationalizing.
So then the Falkland's war was totally justified because it weakened the junta.
Do you think before you yammer your fingers?
Blair: eggs are worse than prison. pathetic excuse.
(Annan just said they did not have Kangoroo Council aproval for the war).
Reparations: Nowhere near adequate.
Natives: you invade their countries from the sea, we did not, our country was born in what was their former territory. Big difference.
Face it, you lose on every argument. You are british, you can't win a moral historical debate, as I've admonitorily enjoined you before about.
@58
Who cares about the Navy? We shoudn't have a military anyway.
I hope you were a better Naval Officer than you are a political analyst……..
Any ”Faux Political Anger” directed against the present administration because of the ARA Libertad affaire will originate from sectors that already are obfuscated with hatred against the very same administration…..
In the meantime we purge, once again, that festering pimple in Argentina’s bottom. (The Armed Farces)
Win-Win situation indeed..........
Ha ha!
Personally I couldn't give a shit what you think Argie.
Chagos: Again right of return.
Blair: I don't really care and neither does the rest of the population
Iraq: Again
Repatriations: You didn't read my comment did you? We abolished slavery first and did more to stop others form using it then you ever did. Why don't you pay some repatriations?
Natives: We left those countries and you as our decedents are still occupying their lands to this day so you are the only bad guys here you pathetic implanted colonial fool.
You didnt reply to what I said about 1806/7, 1845, Brazil, Uruguay, Chile and the Falklands so I guess you lost that one.
I think you will find Mr TTT that you need to work on your whole identity change and your denial of it. Af 5 minutes after TTT disappears this new identity appears with the same ideas, opinions, delusions, spelling mistakes and historical inaccuracies.
Ouch, that means it hurt, the truth huh?
Of course you don't care about the Iraq war crimes and Blair, you are British. You never hold your own accountable (see: computer hacker).
You are a rotten moral society I know that, no need to confirm it to me.
I love kicking some bruised European butt. You are nobodies on this planet, and are nobodies because you refuse to say “sorry”. That one little word, yet it would catapult you from being hated to being respected.
How are the Serbians treating you brit?
Could you explain why attacking somebody from the land is more OK than attacking them from the sea?
Ideally need to coordinate the seizures though for maximum effect.
Oh you really have harmed me.
Sorry? Nobodies? Are you sure? As I recall your entire existence as an Argentine citizen of the Argentine republic is a result of us Europeans conquering, colonising, civilising and not saying sorry. I mean if we Europeans didn't exist there would be no Argentina so you should be glad that we aren't forced to say sorry or re sit indigenous peoples as your existence as an Argie would come to a grinding grinding halt. Be a little grateful when you think of us Europeans as we are the reason you and your nation exist. I mean where else did this Spanish speaking and European based and cultured republic come from? Did it perhaps fall from the fucking sky?
Who attacked anyone from the land? We were already on the land when Argentina was created! Isn't that the famous line of reasoning for justifying the Falklands? (which may I repeat, I don't want my gov to pursue)... that they have existed longer than Argentina?
So if “date of incipience” is so paramount, then given the fact that the people that would later become argentine already lived in the land before the country existed, that makes any subsequent squabbles internecine in nature, and not a matter of an outside force coming into another's land.
Again, you can't defeat my logic. Not because I am smarter, but because you are all hypocrites, and hypocrites can't apply the same rules to thesmelves, thus their arguments are obliteterated with troubling, facily legerity.
A bit of a different scenario to the Falklands as they were uninhabited when we British arrived were as modern Argentina was not, there were a huge number of Natives.
Ahem :
TTT @ 59: “Natives: you invade their countries from the sea, we did not, our country was born in what was their former territory. Big difference.”
Kindly explain the big difference.
Argument defeated, back to the huddle for your next argument to be defeated.
?????? Already there? We Europeans brought you here and encouraged and benefited more of you to set up farms and plantations, this land was already in the procession of the indigenous, a number of whom became slaves of oyu lot even after the Spanish had left. Argument defeated.
www.seprin.com/2012/10/17/el-sin-advirtio-al-gobierno-sobre-ghana-hay-una-fragata-inglesa-custodiando-al-navio-argentino/
Point to note...considering that there are / were cadets from other SA countries on board, none of the other Mercosur partners have really raised any voice in support of the KK...silent solidarity?
You're beginning to froth at the mouth! It's very amusing!
As usual when you have no substantial valid arguement you resort to insulting people, and using big words, because you think it makes you sound more convincing and intelligent.
Do you actually have any comments on this particular article? If so make them.
If you want to go into what our respective countries have done in the past, well then, your own has lots of blood on its hands too.
By the way, you haven't yet presented a logical argument, when you do, we'll let you know.
But you admit that people lived on the land before it became Argentinian, in 1853, then as a country free of your colonial masters in Spain, you went on to steal even more land from the natives, and then from your neighbouring countries.
That's why your argument isn't logical. You blame the Europeans for all your ills, yet the people who now reside in Europe where not the colonisers. You are the coloniser, Tobias, because it was your ancestors that left Europe to colonise someone else's land. Do you see the logic behind that?
So stop hating everyone. If you had ever bothered to travel, you would see that people from different countries and cultures aren't really that different from each other. You should embrace diversity and not be frightened of it.
By the way, when you start supporting terrorist acts against civilians, you show your argument (or lack thereof) to be extremely weak, and show how desperate you are to distract people from the debarcle that your government has made of the ARA Libertad incident.
By the way, when the Iranians planted a bomb in B.A. does that mean that the Argentine people deserved it? No? Then stop supporting terrorists Tobias, it's cowardly and lame.
As for this thread, the UNSC will politely inform Timidman that this is nothing to do with them. It's a bi-lateral problem between Argentina and Ghana.
Have a nice day. :)
The time has come to say fair is fair, to pay your rent, to pay your share.
Love that song.
Great link!
(disclaimer again: I'm using this argument to
prove the broader logic, not because I want to
take the Falklands from the British).
If you hypocrites make the argument, all the time,
that the Falklands have existed “longer” than Argentina
has, and this fact makes for a direct nullification of any
possible claims to the islands because of that change,
in political status making prior claims void, then by extension the
crime the SPANISH commited of coming from the
outside world to invade the natives' lands cannot
be transferred to the argentines as it too became void.
Furthermore, we as a
nationality came into being already ON the land, that
makes us as much natives and a product of
of that land as are the indian inhabitants.
Argentines did not come from the outside, they
came into being already here, thus never entered
from the outside.
Once again, this all ties up to the broader excecrable
moral and intellectual mores of the foreigners here.
The people of Argentina are to be held accountable
for unpaid debt, the people of my country are not to
be held accountable for war crimes.
The F.I's existed from a time before Argentina so you
have no claim, but crimes that ocurred before Argentian
do carry onto you, so you are to blame.
On both tracts, you show your limpid double-standards.
I have just clearly exposed the brutes, the hateful
bastards you all are. No honor, pure hypocrisy.
Rest my case.
> Rest my case.
Thanks goodness. Allow me to summarise :
1) Argentina came into being via a miraculous virgin birth
2) Argentina is innocent, because the Brits are baddies.
@54 Faggots to the end!
@55 You dozy twat. What sort of religious nutter are you? People speak “languages”. Tongues are what you use on ice-cream. What a prick!
@59 But argies are ass-licking faggots.
@60 But you are an intestinal maggot. Up an arse. Slurping. Will you emerge? An “eruption”? But let's hope you do what most maggots do. Eat the slime from the inside. There's plenty. Then die.
@64 Desperation. You dozy prat. You think that pointing a finger at someone else excuses your corrupt, criminal behaviour? Argieland is about to die. I wannt to see it die. I want to help kill it. I want to watch argies die. Don't care how. Starvation. Freezing. Suicide. You faggots killed 255 British servicemen retaking OUR territory. and 3 Falkland Islanders because you were, and are, cowards. The result? 42 million argie war criminals. Each one deserves to die. Left to the British people, every one will die. Slowly. Painfully. A single argie death should take 48 hours.
Notice how much nonsense you have to spout to make a point that proves that your argument is crap? Why don't you counter specific details instead of drooling on?
@78
Ha Ha Ha
“PAY YOUR DEBTS OR BEWARE OF THE CONSECUENCES”
Any other explanation is out of place.....except you are a thief.....of course.
Thx for providing the dinner entertainment - almost choked eating my steak while laughing about your ridiculous comments :)
You are by far the funniest troll in here, talking boludo like no one else, but trying to put as many complex words into your sentences as possible, doesn't make your comments sound more convincing - on the contrary, it actually makes it sound pathetic. Maybe you're trying to convince yourself that you are educated, but I think people are laughing at you instead. However, it seems you're not reading the Danish newspaper as they ran an article about this some days ago ( jyllands-posten.dk/international/article4874702.ece )
Now little troll, another advice from the pragmatic Dane: Better stop your ludicrous posts, as for every sentence your argumentation becomes even more and more incoherent. You're making a fool of yourself just like the Argentine government. Stop while you still have whatever dignity is left.
PS: 'm glad that all my Argentine friends don't know, that you're speaking on their behalf...that would be too much an embarrassment for them.
Loved the comment that there is an English frigate guarding the three-master.
You would think by now that AG would know it is the UK or Britain. LOLs
The Future will be the telling point in how well you think you are doing regarding the total rejection of us as a society. Just wait untill the billions of barols of oil are flowing and the Falkland islands see their financial wealth explode to become one of the richest countries on the planet. Then , Giorgio_O._Tsoukalos (#)
come back to me and say I was not right in making my proposal to become a better country. If you do not start right now changing your attitude towards us and the world you will very much regret it.
I am willing to stake our oil boom on it.
The only reason Argentina want's the falklands is that ( and has now been confirmed) we are sitting on one of the largest oil reserves in the world and Argentina is going to loose any chance to get it.
We also know how desperate many parts of the world are for oil and we on the Islands are once again in the right place at the right time to cash in.
Yes I believe that one day a country might try to use a method to disrupt or try to steal our oil but that is common in this world today.
Who knows we may even offer you some scraps from the oil fields when we are done with them.
Regarding one of the intellectually challenged posters here: quote : ...Chile after 30 years of “miracle” policies, can't manufacture a weather radio...Unquote
I fondly remember my Chilean assembled personal radio my parents paid a fortune for during the UP in the early 70's. It never worked correctly and had terrible reception. (Sort of like the televisions you now find in the homes in Argentina.) I prefer free markets and have an iPhone that streams programs wherever I am. I can travel freely as well and use my dollar or peso accounts without permission. I can order items directly by Amazon, with no restrictions. But you're right, we don't assemble electronics or cars here in Chile because it does not make sense. We have much more than copper, but we worry about China's economic bubble...
Think: My personal view of what a nation's military should be structured as was developed by Elisabeth Rehn, the former Finnish Minister of State, Member of Parliament, Minister of Defence and much more. Finland will now radically change in 2015 to a new defense policy that think would be a model for many countries of South America.
Argentina is saddled by immense corruption and arrogant pride, but it would be the time to change because the cost of rebuilding your military is outrageous.
Now I get it! National humiliation, the path to glory.
Oh but wait... The British are gone but Argentina is *still* a dysfuctional dump... Hmm time to find Evil Enemy #872 to pin the blame on for your incompetence.
Is that the gist of your Big Plan? Not really working out so far is it?
I know very little about military “games” ….. but, if memory serves me right, the Finnish defense strategy has until now been similar to the Swiss.
A highly trained and motivated professional and conscripted DEFENSIVE army, adequately equipped for a long attrition war against any invading enemy....
If that is your idea for the South American Countries, I highly agree with it...
(Complemented, of course, with some kind of state of the art DEFENSIVE missile deterrent system, under the UNASUR umbrella, against any ”Rouge Extra-Hemispherical State” that fancied a colonial adventure against South-American territories or resources.)
“Turkeyneck triumphantly riding around naked on the back of a unicorn”
eeeeeeeeeeeeewwwwwwwwwwwwwww!!!! That doesn't sound like any dream I've ever had!!!!
www.ambito.com/noticia.asp?id=659467
The ship don't worth too much.
A R G E N T I N A is the WINNER!
We don't want to be friends of Denmark, got it?
@85
Largest oil reserves in the world? What's next, largest oil reserves in the Milky Way?
Who are you fooling?
@86
Fine if you like that for Chile. Don't impose it on us. Chile is the EU and US bitch, to be honest. Look how Conqueror treats you and what he thinks of your country, and you have done nothing but like Britarse.
They still see you an an inferior nothing, that should bow to their illusory superiority.
Live on your knees, I die on my feet.
yes, I do: Skru da UK kueen 2 !
Haha yes you do, because you need us :)
you have no balls, that's what i call a bitch.
Oh is that so? We don't need the UK, or Spain, or Germany, or Italy, why would we need Denmark?
We don't want to be subjugated, get it? Which is what you euros and northamers want, a prostrate Argentina.
Now they are beginning to feel as we have from their pressure. The once mighty Argentina is starting to crumble and each day we see a little more chipped off.
Keep this up and they will be worthless in a few short years.
Meanwhile Falkland is forging ahead big time. This time next year we are going to be in a whole new era. We have managed to do this in spite of the so called Argie embargo and other disruptions they impose on us.
So proud to be British and a Falkland Islander. YES!!!
Oh yea, that's why we have sunk more of your pathetic vessels in the last 200 years than any other country but Germany? 1806-1807 (one ship and one lander at port), 1845 (at least 6 of your merchant ships), 1982 (I'm guessing at least 6 more).
Seems like you've been someone's bitch in South Atlantic waters. As for the Ghanans, we round up 10-20 thousand illegal West Africans including ghanans, put them in concentration camps.
Then who will be the bitch huh? hahahaha
What do you know about Argentina?
I thought so.
Nugatory comments with no substance, pure spiteful platitudes. Thank you for your attention.
You need our medicine my love ;)
Giorgio is a very smart man. Please, respect him!
Listen, bitch. I have seen the W-African boys take good care of your women in Argentina, that's why they are there, you see bitch they are gigolos. They are taking care of your women like all the other foreigners do, since you are all homos.
Keep on barking, bitch. I like some more entertainment for my night.
Where do you plan on building these concentration camps, Tobster? Up there on your moral high ground?
You have none. Otherwise you would not be so laconic and lingering. You would just state your supposed “ace” of our need of you and get on with it.
Like I told you, you have nothing we need. Nor does the UK or any other country in Europe.
So are you like all men here claim to have an argie gf/wife? I'm waiting for it.
I guess even the ugliest genetic dregs of the Argentine race are better looking than anything in the north, that's why loser princes (dutch white chocolate), singers (bubbles), rockers (UFO), and film (Bourne), and those are just the once I remember come here to get some ugly argie broad.
@109
So now we have a moral high ground? Since you think we have none, then what do you care about or Ghanaian concetration camps?
“Arbeit macht Schwarz” ... illegal immigrants are illegal immigrants. We will simply be following the law, and “detaining” them until an adjudication is made.
So where is the British outrage of this racist statement? Lepricon, Tobers, toooldtodieyoung, Ayayay, Hans Niesund?
Racist statement right here... waiting for the outrage.
hahahahahahahaha
Hookpocrites.
I wasn't talking about your African comment, I was talking about your genetics comment, racist!
Oops, but you just made another racist statement....
Let me guess? They should go back to Negrwackwica??
www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKY6fVXVDYc
hahaha... Negrwackwicka.
Sorry, but my sense of outrage is somewhat tempered by your support of concentration camps and Al-Qaeda.
Otherwise you ought to take Britninja's advice or pretty soon you'll have made such a fool of yourself you'll have to think up yet another identity,
Fool of myself... sure. You all have made fools of yourselves, with your pathetic double standards, one for you and one for Argentina. No guts to hold yourselves to the standards you demand of us.... that's why you are a morally nothing country.
Your brave stand against racism might be a little more effective if you didn't sink even lower than the original comment.
umbrage!
I'm typing fast if you have not noticed. I have a vocabulary of 43,000 words, the average is 18,000-20,000 for natives and 30,000 for college doctoraates (36,000 for lawyers). You may correct me, but you can't dispute me.
They just have poor genetics, i don't know why.
A vocabulary of 43,000 words, and logic isn't one of them.
And Ghana was not bribed by the UK and US? Why because you say so?
hahahahaha
Racist! where is the outrage?
Of course. You see I am racist only based on the personal and societal deeds of nations, not based on genetics or race (NONE of you can ever quote making a racial statement or one based on genetics to claim superiority, except for superficial attributes).
@128
Your pharisaical attitude is hebetudinous to the mind. I don't use logic with any of you because you are not capable of noetic ratiotination. I merely limit myself to laying out the “hurtful” facts and to twist your own arguments to insult Argentina and apply them to your countries, which earns me the vituperative outpourings of so many of you.
You need out diabetes medicine, because you are too incompetent to make it yourself ;) And besides we own part of the Port of Buenos Aires :)
Anyway, I'm actually about to suspect you for making all this up and pulling our leg. What you say is so outrageous that it must be a joke. Is this candid webcam? :))
NOT!
You do? Sounds like a good thing to reclaim for the nation.
Diabetes medicine? Why are you so incompetent that you need our NUCLEAR isotopes for medicine?
LOL, and who are you? You don't know anything about justice, never applied it to yourselves and applied it wrongly to others. How many rations of food did you send the Ghanans?
@137
If I have learned this amount of English vocabulary, plus now reaching advanced level in 5 languages, soon going onto Chinese, and have math of to pre-cal going to calculus... plus my geography knowledge, don't worry about how I sublimate my “hatred”.
You're amazing Toby. I've met a lot of really strange people in my life, but you take the cake. Talking about concentration camps and nuclear bombs....LOL...where do you get it from? I would say, that whatever education you claim to have it wasn't the money worth, and in terms of your vocabulary, I couldn't care less as you're not making proper use of it. But then at the same time I'm rather intrigued by you somewhat deluded mindset - think I share the same fascination for you as I do for people like Hitler...you know, where you think. “is it really possible to be that crazy.”
FFS, go out and get yourself a girlfriend.
142@ he needs a boyfriend.
So what you are implying is your country would bomb Ghana if it owed a debt and the ship was impounded because some vulture (as execrable as they may be), had the legal right to dun.
hahahha, you cave-in your own “standards” from under yourselves. Bilge from lunatic popinjays.
Ye, I'm afraid so. Apparently then generals didn't do their job well enough back then :(
Thinking about it, your medical record must be as fun reading as your posts in here :)
Tobi: Felicitations, my good woman. Your licentious endeavours have instigated tumescence of my organic edifice.
Girl: WTF?
I understood completely. Though organic edifice? Which one is bloated? My “endeavours” are not licentious, they fall within the strict guidelines of honest truth telling.
They say people in Ghana are lively and happy, nothing like the depressive, arrogant Argentinians.
Tobi: Madam, I wil not be inveigled into using a French letter. Only an Argentinian letter is good enough for me.
Girl: But those have got holes in!
Tobi: And don't even mention that Dutch cap again.
Tobi: You didn't climax? DAMN THOSE EUROPEANS!
Girl: But what do they have to do with -
Tobi: Silence woman, they just do.
Tobi: It's not my fault! There's a Brit under the bed!
THINK
While modernizing equipment, Finland is reducing its overall size and annual budget by 200 million Euros as well as promoting security within the framework of the Council of Europe and NATO's Partnership for Peace. (The Swiss remain independent and trusting no one.)
“The 2015 policy is in retaining and strengthening the nation's capability in a changing environment, where global developments, regional conflicts and new threats have become of increasing significance to Finland's security.
This includes combat environmental risks, disasters, organized crime, threats to information systems, infectious diseases, the proliferation and use of weapons of mass destruction, and terrorism. Efforts in these areas must be pursued through both domestic measures and international cooperation.” The remarkable woman behind the change is a major promoter of peace. You should Google Elisabeth Rehn and her work. Perhaps we can agree on something... Perhaps.
Tonight, two small and dear roasted chickens will adorn our table that were murdered by the neighbor's terrier yesterday as my youngest daughter left the coop gate slightly ajar. I had to pluck off all the feathers and gut them, which caused an outrage with some of my family. “Waste not, want not” as they taught us in school. Only two laying hens left now... Oh the tragedy of not having enough small blue-greenish eggs for breakfast...
Your English is nothing short of amazing, what makes me wonder is your obvious love of the language. Don't tell me it is wise to learn the language of your enemy, this is not the case. You have learned far more than the language. I can speak enough German and Russian to get into a fight with either group but I would never be arrogant enough to think I could take on Grasse, Hesse, Marx or Gogol or Nabokov because I don't have the love for their language. Something happened to make you really bitter after you mastered our language, not before. I don't imagine you are going to come clean on this, certainly not on here but you should be teaching in a university and not worrying about the rest of this crap. We have some very good universities here in Canada, smart people are always welcome.
What he needs is a nice Argentinian boyfriend dressed in tight pants and colorful shirts, who says: che che, lindo Toby.
I will soon be able to tackle Grasse, Hesse, Goethe, and Nietzche in their own language.
oktroyieren, praegnant, acquirieren... My verbiage in those languages is also increasing at an exponential rate, much faster than English. In a couple of years, I will have verbal commands superior to all natives in all my languages.
May I suggest you look up the precise meaning of “verbiage” before congratulating yourself too much.
Maybe one day we can get together and discuss “Finnegan's Wake”, athorn in my side since university days!
I know the German “oktroyieren”, “labil”, “praegnant”, which most natives of that language have told me they see as “verbiage” and unusual vocabulary. But I know it. Which means I am on my way to a 20,000-25,000 in German, French, and Portuguese, which is still higher than natives.
I estimate I'm at 10,000-12,000 in those languages right now. A couple of years of grueling toil and I will reach my goals (5,000 words a year).
FFS, go out and get a girlfriend.
uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/French
I don't date Argentine women. You see, unlike you, I can acknowledge the unsavory aspects in my country. Something none of you will ever be capable of doing. Incapacity which can be adduced to a reticence to even provide the most minute opening to critics. Of course, your efforts are futile since everyone can see through them.
I shouldn't worry. Maybe you'll manage to round up a nice Ghanaian girl for your concentration camp.
Don't be agog of this, I do not date men. I'm sorry for your prospects.
You evince a clear prurient curiosity for my sexual appetites. I only feel velleity for women at this time, as I am too involved in my own personal objectives. My prepossessions of local women are personal choice, I personally am not fond of overly feminist tendencies in women. Simple as that.
Is there nobody in Mendoza will take him out and put some beer in him?
are you sure you are not a pedofile?
That must be terribly limiting, given that you hate foreigners so much.
makes no sence
World.... 'Snore'
Ghana... 'We've got your boat'
World.. www.newsnow.co.uk/h/World+News/Latin+America/South+America/Argentina
Even the 'Himalaya Times' is running this story about a financialy and morally bankrupt SA regime
Need to remind you that having a wide vocab range doesn't determine your intellectual capabilities, and your excessive references to being superior in English to the natives, has the opposite effect. If you are so intelligent, then how about a challenge, which should be easy for a person of your 'level'?
Write 3 reports/essays on anything that I'll choose, and it'll be marked by an expert, which I could find with no problem
1. 20,000 essay on a subject relating to the roles that Tactics, Fitness and Practical Ability play in sport, and cite examples. May not make sense to yourself, but does so to those at Stirling Uni.
2. A 30,000 word essay on the history of South Africa, and how civilization has progressed since 1900.
3. A 200 page thesis on any subject in the Human Biology. Has to provide evidence, and will be reviewed by a close friend who works in the Scottish Education System (University) with a doctorate
If you can master all 3 of these, then you are indeed superior, and I'll acknowledge your status as a literary and intellectual master. Until then, nope. Your call.
And as I have also stated, if foreigners would dessist from their incessant vitriol and excoriation, I would immediately cease my participation here, since as you all may know, I have no interest in the harrassment of the Falklands.
You see bitch, this way i'm making a prove that a country full of unsatisfied women, full of men rather touching each other is bound to have problems.
I have given hints of my age in the past. I will state I'm under 30. If you work and study very, very, very, very hard you can achieve what I claim I have. You must remember it is not that preposterous, my “claim”. European languages share a panoply of lemmas, and as such, if you achieve a very high level of vocabulary in a couple of languages, you will come across many of those lemmas in all the others. Examples:
“execrable” = knew it in english before french
yet
“denouement” = knew it in french before english
“wend” = knew it English before German
”belabor = knew it in German (labern) before seeing it in English
“magisterial” = knew it in Spanish before English
Needless to say, most of the Spanish lexicon can be easily transfered to Portuguese, it is merely a matter of spelling and pronounciation conventions.
As such, I only need cursory exposure by heavy reading in my languages. I have already learned most of the “difficult” vocabulary of French, German, and Portuguese, that is the every day vocabulary that is radically different from the other languages.
I will the first one to admit all this has come at a high cost to gregarious activities, but the reward is worth it.
And we got the Hand of God on our side. Your only chance to get to the World Cup finals (surely to lose to Germany, but you would have beaten Belgium), and God took it away. Still stings?
www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/picaroon
I remember when I first saw that word in English, I knew it must mean something like “rascal” or “mischevous”, and that is pretty close to the meaning. How did I know? The English words comes from the 1600s an the Spanish “pícaro” which means “mischevous, cunning”.
When I saw the German word “prägnant” I knew it could not mean “pregnant” because German alrady had “schwanger” (humans) and “trächtig” (animals). So I thought what other meaning could it have, and then thought that in a former meaning, pregnant meant “concise, succint”. Sure enough, that is the meaning of that word in German.
And this process goes on all the time with me in French and Portuguese. And all the languages cross-fertilize each other. The more I know in any of them, the more I can guess in the others.
Like the saying “The more you save, the less you need to save”, well “the more vocab you know the less you need to learn”. I have already done the hard part of learning a lot of vocabulary, so when I see words I do not know there is a good chance I know them in another language, or can guess their meaning, and if none of those work, context helps (if that fails, then yes the dictionary).
The point is, that I don't have to “memorize” new words nearly as much because I already know the base lemma. This makes “learning” knew words go much much faster. I just need to focus on the spelling, which I do confuse at times.
We don't want you to starve.
Knowing the Argentine government I bet there’s already a bunch of surprises for Ghana.
The show already started!
I believe Giorgio to be a polysyllabic holophrastic verbalist in the making, who purposely uses uncommon words and a form of sesquipedalianism to distract attention away from particular arguments and divert them to a more egotistical arena, that being of “comprehension of vocabulary”. He tends not to repeat the uncommon words he uses, which lends me to believe that he is merely “word dropping” in the belief that it gives him some intellectual edge over others posting in these forums. I believe that he experiences some kind of euphoria and superiority when using these words around his antagonists.
Of course, by using uncommon words, whether truthfully known to him or by the power of Google (or Thesaurus) he is in fact proving nothing about any skills he may (naturally good at scrabble), or may not possess (good at scrabble only if playing it online).
1) I assume that your original “Tobias” account was “terminated” by our over-zealous MercoPress editor….
The same happened to my “Think” account some time ago……
Luckily, some kind words to the gentleman-owner of MercoPress did right that wrong…..
2) Not bad with 6/7 languages at your age but….there is still a lot of development potential.............
In how many of those languages would you be able to conduct an UN / WB standard simultaneous interpretation, for example?
Or…….......... what about challenging yourself with some non Indo-European languages?
3) In my humble and surely badly informed opinion, most of your intelligences fail nothing….. ....
It’s your temper you have to work on... (and your predisposition of wasting time on Turnips)
With the kind of social intelligence you reveal in here, I “Think” that Patagonia would fit you just right…… (as it does me;-)
Cordiales saludos
El Think
(181) Frank the Yank says:
”Even the 'Himalaya Times' is running this story about a financialy and morally bankrupt SA regime”
I say:
Ohhhhhh…..........................… Noooooo…………………........
Even The 'Himalaya Times' is running a story against Argentina!!!
But….. Wait a minute………...........Who owns the 'Himalaya Times' ???
Google… google ….google = A certain ”Rupert Murdoch”
(Together with some other 4,000 international, regional, national and local papers round the globe…..
Brainwash anybody???
LOL - you say you're educated, but you still have an imaginary friend :))
www.gregpalast.com/the-globalizer-who-came-in-from-the-cold/
theintelhub.com/2012/02/23/trillion-dollar-terror-exposed-bush-fed-and-european-banks-in-15-trillion-fraud-all-documented/
m.youtube.com/index?&desktop_uri=%2F#/watch?feature=plpp&v=BQZbOY5Q3ZU
m.youtube.com/index?&desktop_uri=%2F#/watch?feature=plpp&v=Tym9AhMNcP0
I think we can add misogyny to the list of TTT's prejudices, and it is a long list. People that full of hate really only hate themselves.
Just as another note, TTT mentioned some time ago that he had to leave formal schooling because of reasons beyond his control. That is a tragedy on two levels as he probably needs the intellectual stimulation and socialisation of other students. He might realise that not all women are exactly the same, just as he does not speak for all Argentines.
He has a classic case of NDP, having to constantly assert his (imagined) superiority and that his opinions are supported by every. single. Argentine; Often the whole world.
Still, I am sure he garnered a great deal of pleasure from such intense attention.
Frank is NOT a Yank, Be told!
Ahh, Pirat the cock-smoker, the anti-semitic scum, I know who you are, disgusting pedophile and sodomizer. Mind the gap, little boy, mind the gap!
Are you planning to get back to your beloved Argentina soon?
Just because you say something doesn't make it true.
However, I can say stuff too. Stuff like Argentina should repay all its debts and stop being deadbeats.
Stuff like, you should bog off and live in Argentina if you like it so much. Live under the glorious reign of Queen Cristina. Be one of the people. Live by CFKs ideals on only 13 peso's a day.
Just think of the highlife you could have if you spent 20 peso's per day! Wow you'd be rich.
Or maybe you'd be one of the cheap (slave) labour classes that you yourself would create in the glorious Democratic Republic of Argentina. Forced to work all day for a handful of soy and a bottle of cheap wine.
Oh, how the Argentine people must dream of the day when pirat-hunter turns up and ruins their lives.
I wouldn't give the current Argentine government the time of day, let alone anything that is actually of value.
They are not considered thieves and liars for nothing, you know.
He babbles like a Yank.
He curses like a Yank.
He stinks like a Yank.
He must be a Yank!
If that's the case it really is a shame.
TTT is much more deserving of credit than some of the other nabos around here.
I would love to see the ARA Libertard bought by us Brits. We should then have HMS Victory (unbeliveably, yet proudly still our flagship) made sea worthy and taken out of dry dock. Then send the both of them just off of the coast of BA and under the watchful eye of HMS Dauntless, have the HMS Victory knock the crap into the Libertard until it eventually sinks.
I'd buy a ticket to go see that! I'm sure that the UK Ambassador of Chile would too!
UK still murdering innocent women and children in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, Egypt, lebanon and now Saudi Arabia?
Where and when did the UK send troops to Lebanon, Syria, Egypt, Saudi Arabia ?
You obviously have chapter and verse for this - please share it with us.
Or is it another of your deluded rants.
By the way, you forgot to include the bit about Argentina's nuclear weapon program, which has you full support.
This was just published in “La Nación”:
www.lanacion.com.ar/1519597-comenzaron-las-gestiones-en-la-onu-para-que-ghana-libere-la-fragata-libertad
The UN security council WON'T intervene as they feel it's not a matter that affects world peace! PAY YOUR BILLS ARGIES!!
Try be nice ;)
still eye, will watch and see.
www.starafrica.com/en/news/detail-news/view/argentina-readies-evacuation-of-ship-cre-258081.html
Argentine Foreign Minister Hector Timerman
Has offered to be held hostage until talking is over as part of an exchange.
Then realised CFK would abandoned him there,
So changed his mind.
So they say..
Oh
And Ecuador’s president said, if they can get the ship to his embassy,
Would grant the ship asylum.
mmmmm
Love it, fancy having to explain to a Foregn Minister that the UN is not concerened with members bad debts and more concerned with world peace. Man is an imbecilic dick head.
UN- please sir, can you get my boat back
GHANA-please Ghana, can we have our boat back, we are mates aint we ??
Please brazil, will you help us get our boat back,
Please china, will you help us get our boat back.
Embarrassment, humiliation ,national disgrace.
Still,
Look on the bright side,
It could have been a bigger navy ship.
.
“It could have been a bigger navy ship”
How? The other 'ships' the AG Navy has don't work or break down as soon as they meet the swell of the ocean. LOL
oh well,
back to the rowing boat them.
What rescue mission ? Give us a clue !
I know a lot of bloggers here hate and loath RG's, I don't. I may the ones on here that a blind trolls. But I really feel for all my friends and inlaws that have to live in that dictorial asshole.
roflmao
DUH, DA DA DUH!!!!!!!!
GEE SIGNOR TRACEY? CAN WE DO IT????????
STEADY BRAINS, KFC IS DEPENDING ON US.
Good one, RC !
5,4,3,2,1
Aves Trueno se van!!!
Rescate Internacional
LOL !!!
Don't get cranky, Think.
Yanks no more babble,curse or stink(?) than any other nationality.
Don't you like Yanks either? Some of my best friends are American.
But even after all that, Frank is NOT a Yank.
I know where Frank comes from & l'm not saying.
Even if you guessed the correct answer l'd still say “me no savvy, dispela”
So Think, just because it rhymes, doesn't make it so.
You don't fool me for a second, honey...
I know where Frank “the Yank” comes from....
Frank “the Yank” is as American as Les Hiddins... ;-)
Like LEP you need to find a way to say that you contribute to Greenpeace,Survival,WWF and perhaps Amnesty Ect like our ex-army,now retrained as a nurse expert at trying to impress as an intellectual man.
Perhaps the Somalians could sink the libertad and Eliot can claim the insurance.Would that be legally correct LEP?
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mmmmmmmmmmmmm
I am wondering how many physical and mental disabillities you have.
Your style of writting is so limited!
”What is actually needed is a diplomatic solution behind closed doors. The countries with influence in Ghana are the USA and the UK. Relations with the US are not good (trade policy, friends with Castro and Chávez, detention of US military aircraft, default...), there were no problems with the UK until the Malvinas question heated up once again, that was the end. Who else could mediate? Spain and Brazil, traditional friends of Argentina until not long ago ... What friends has Argentina got left? Not even Uruguay, only Angola, Azerbaijan, Cuba, Venezuela and Iran. Argentine diplomacy at its finest. Since the milatary there has been no government yelling words like “Nation” and “Dignity” so stridently . It's better to possess dignity than to talk about it, it's better to do something for the country's people than to play with nationalist feeling.”
War vessels have diplomatic immunity - unless they are British.
Every time a British Frigate visits the Falklands they are militarising the South Atlantic but when an Argentine frigate starts patrolling the coast of Africa this is not militarising the South Atlantic.
The simple solution is for Argentina to pay its debts. It doesn't matter if those debts are owed to vulture funds or retirees. Just pay what you owe or don't borrow it in the first place.
You believe that if it makes you happy,
meanwhile, Think-the-fink................
Writting ?????????
Silly me....
You are too young to know who Les Hiddins was.
And he is surely not mentioned in your 1992 Curramaroonga High School Dictionary......
Learn to spell before you interfere,
Or sticky nosey ninny.
If you canny understandy us britishy, theny donty commenty,
English old chap, English. savvy
.Que?
@243 conquistador,
Probably only limited to you amigo.
l picture briton as an honest countryman, who has an uncomplicated sense of humour & tells it as it is.
l would trust him way before you devious malvinistas.
And he makes me laugh with his witticisms.
does exactly what is says on the lid.
thank you lsolde ..
You say:
“ l picture Briton as an honest countryboy, who has an uncomplicated sense of humour & tells it as it is.”
I say:
That’s exactly how I picture “David” Briton too:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8i6VXw0bYI
He surely makes us laugh with his “witticism”.
But you are surely biased.
How come you didn't include my quote about not trusting you devious malvinistas?
Shy? modest?
www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOuuVGCQ-Z4&feature=relmfu
its nice he gives me so much credit.
but as long as the falklands remains british and free,
then the argies can think all day .
Dream all night,
and recieve their instructions nice and fresh in the morning....
Is Argentinian TV such a load of crap that they have to troll endlessly through youtube videos to find something “smart” to say. Rather pathetic and childish.
I suppose this will evoke another load of literary diarrhoea.
it gives em something to play with.lol.
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