Friday, October 26th 2012 - 07:24 UTC

Falklands’ 2013 referendum: determined to be masters of their future

A group of Central American journalists recently visited the Falkland Islands for a week as guests of the Foreign Office together with Bruce Callow from the UK Costa Rica embassy. During Mr Callow wrote in his blog about the experience regarding important issues for the Falklands such as the referendum next March on the future of the Islands.

A demonstration of Falklands flags in support of self determination (Photo: M. Short)

After having had the opportunity to see some of the magnificent natural attractions within the Falklands and spend some time exploring the capital Stanley we’re now into the heart of the visit. Our guests from Central America are discovering important facts about the past, present and future of the Falkland Islands.

During the meetings we have had already (with the Fisheries Department, Tourism Board, Mineral Resources Secretary and Members of the Legislative Assembly) our group has discovered that the Islanders are eager to embrace development and move forward without letting go of the basic principles that have prevailed here for centuries and that have given them the quality of life they enjoy today.

Amazingly there is only 1% unemployment here and you can sense the strong feeling of community spirit that exists and the pride the people of the Falkland Islands have for their country. We were interested to learn that some of the plans the Islanders have include the development of an oil industry by 2017 with a potential production of 350 millions of barrels.

There are several areas within the Falklands’ waters where exploration by local, British and international companies is being undertaken for oil and gas. There are also important plans to boost the tourism industry, enhance local infrastructure and improve public services. The aim is for all of this to be done in a sustainable way, without jeopardizing the natural resources and the way of life in the Islands.

It is evident to the visiting group that there is a clear prevailing message from the people on the Islands that only they should be the ones that have the right to determine their future. The Islanders are peaceful people that want to work constructively with their nearby neighbors (South America) and the rest of the world.

During the meeting with the General Governor, Mr. Nigel Haywood, the group was able to discuss the upcoming referendum, which will allow the Islanders to determine their political future. This historic event will also give the people of the Falkland Islands the opportunity to send a clear message – not just to Argentina, but to the entire international community – that the Islanders and they alone, are masters of their fate.

The British Government has already made clear that it will respect their decision, in line with the principles of the United Nations Charter. The Islanders hope that all Governments who prize democracy and human rights will do likewise.

Throughout our stay we have experienced a great deal of openness and cooperation from the people here. The Falkland Islands is a place where people from various nationalities, including communities from Chile and St Helena, have gathered in the search for opportunities and a unique way of life.

We even ran into some Argentine war veterans that traveled here to visit the Argentine war cemetery. I’m sure these types of pilgrimages help Argentine soldiers achieve some sense of closure to what must be a painful chapter in their lives.

In our travels outside Stanley there are constant reminders from the conflict in 1982. Sadly, to this day some 30 years after, several large areas are still fenced off due to the thousands of antipersonnel mines that Argentine forces placed around the country during their brief occupation. Unfortunately being made of plastic these mines are particularly difficult to detect and remove.
 

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1 Think (#) Oct 26th, 2012 - 08:18 am Report abuse
Yet another “independent” article written by “unbiased” Mr. Bruce Callow from the UK Costa Rican embassy....
2 Huntsman Extraordinaire (#) Oct 26th, 2012 - 08:40 am Report abuse
Go Falkland Islands! One of the few things left that makes you proud to be British when you compare yourselves to these dictatorships around to world. A bastion of freedom of speech and human rights! Tell the world what matters whether you see yourself as a Kepler, British or whatever, it doesn't matter as long as your voice is heard and respected around the world, as it will be in Great Britain.
3 Boovis (#) Oct 26th, 2012 - 09:11 am Report abuse
Think, go there yourself then come back with an informed opinion for a change.
4 Bongo (#) Oct 26th, 2012 - 09:13 am Report abuse
Think,

Is Mr Callow being biased when he talks about the anti-personnel mines left behind by Argentine forces, or is he reporting the facts?
5 Isolde (#) Oct 26th, 2012 - 10:07 am Report abuse
@1 Think,
So what?
lts our land & we'll do what we like here.
We don't need your permission, Think.
6 Pete Bog (#) Oct 26th, 2012 - 10:27 am Report abuse
@1
Your implied sarcasm indicates you don't believe the article.

This is your opportunity to tell us which parts are factually incorrect isn't it?

Go ahead, I'm waiting with baited breath.
7 M_of_FI (#) Oct 26th, 2012 - 12:01 pm Report abuse
Think, you like to portray yourself as the intellectual who shares his knowledge with us 'simple' kelper folk. But in my eyes you have absolutely no credibility. You comment so assuredly on a place you have never visited. You haven't met an islander or spoken to them. You believe all the lies spread and promoted by your government, many of which are dispelled as soon as you visit Stanley. But continue to share your heavily biased and blinded knowledge, your opinion counts for nothing. You are simply irrelevant when it comes to the Falklands. The only opinion that matters are the islanders’. You have spent close to 3 years trying to push Argentina's cause on Mercopress and nothing has changed. Nothing will change. You are constantly proved wrong. But in response you only change the subject or quote a share price.
8 nigelpwsmith (#) Oct 26th, 2012 - 12:02 pm Report abuse
I'm glad that the journalists have a chance to meet the real Falkland Islanders, to see that life in the Islands is peaceful and prosperous. The vast majority of people who come to the Falklands find them inhabited by very friendly people. The essential character of the place is British in every way.

You can tell this from the videos made by Argentines who visited. They've been taught in school that the Islands are 'occupied' territory, that the people are oppressed by the British. They soon find out that this is a lie. As are the lies about the Argentine population being ejected in 1833.

I suspect that the majority of the journalists will come to the Islands with open minds. Some might be suspicious, but after meeting them, they will soon realise that the Falkland Islanders just want the right to determine their own destiny in peace. They want to trade with South America, they want to develop the Islands, but to do so in a way that preserves the natural beauty of the place.

In my view, the Falkland Islands Government ought to invite the diplomats of the United Nations to visit the Islands too. Argentina tries to persuade the other nations at the UN that they should not listen to the Falkland Islanders and suggests that they are 'implanted' British colonists. If these diplomats and politicians could see with their own eyes that the Islanders are from all nations, mostly born in the Islands and although they consider themselves British, they consider themselves Islanders first and foremost, then the other nations would not be so willing to listen to Argentine lies.

This referendum will be an important document that proves what the Islanders want. What they seek for their future. They cannot be dismissed and if the United Nations visits the Islands, they will learn that the islands need to be preserved - AS THEY ARE, under the control of the inhabitants and not some predatory country that coverts them from a far.
9 briton (#) Oct 26th, 2012 - 12:12 pm Report abuse
Apparently these argentines are recommending CFK make some alterations to her country,

Removal of the offending article in her constitution.
Recommend putting right all the wrongs she has done to the islanders,

Perhaps consider joining a British Falklands federation of free trading nations,
And scrapping the others.

Argentines to have and celebrate a British Falklands day,,
Add the union jack to her flag, and remove the telly tubby.

Recommendations are endless..

So they say.

.oh, and American military personal on argie teritory, just to keep an eye on things..
10 Islas Malvinas (#) Oct 26th, 2012 - 12:35 pm Report abuse
Masters of their future?

www.youtube.com/watch?v=fO1ChfM94yQ
11 briton (#) Oct 26th, 2012 - 12:37 pm Report abuse
At leat they have a future.
12 Mrlayback (#) Oct 26th, 2012 - 12:40 pm Report abuse
Lol ^
13 gustbury (#) Oct 26th, 2012 - 01:24 pm Report abuse
of your future,BUT not of the land!!
14 Islas Malvinas (#) Oct 26th, 2012 - 01:39 pm Report abuse
♪♫ Falk-lands ♪♫
... and the Masters of the future...
I am Nigel (Haywood), Viceroy of the FI and defender of our right to “self-determination”.
This is Keith Padgett, my fearest friend.
Fabulous secret powers were revealed to me the day I was appointed Viceroy of the FI and said “by the power of self-determination... I have the power”. Keith bacame Chief Executive and I became the Viceroy, the most powerful man in the FI.
Only three other share the secret: Our friends Elizabeth II, David (Cameron) and the British Parliament.
Together we protect British colonial control over FI from the evil forces of decolonization.
♪♫ Falk-lands ♪♫

www.youtube.com/watch?v=fO1ChfM94yQ
15 Raul (#) Oct 26th, 2012 - 02:03 pm Report abuse
The Decolonization Committee of the UN to analyze colonial situations and where and when right to self-determination could be applied to follow the guidelines and rules of the Charter is c-24 Comitee of decolonization.

The inhabitants of these islands have the right to self-determination or not?

UNITED NATIONS THAT say???????

“The chairman of the United Nations Decolonization ............. described the announcement of a UK referendum on the Falkland Islands as a” political stunt “, insisting that the islanders can not appeal to the right to self-determination according to them, because in the case Malvinas ”is a principle of territorial integrity“ of Argentina, which is above other considerations and the UK is the ”occupying force“ since 1833 ”.

Read the following link.

The UN recognizes the difference and Argentina side .... why did 40 resolutions that support their bargaining position between 2 PARTS ....... FACT

What part is hard to understand?
16 Idlehands (#) Oct 26th, 2012 - 02:14 pm Report abuse
Oh dear.

It seems Raul is late to the party.
17 Islas Malvinas (#) Oct 26th, 2012 - 02:50 pm Report abuse
@15 Raul

What´s they find hard to understand is that they´re not the masters of anything anylonger.
18 Conqueror (#) Oct 26th, 2012 - 02:56 pm Report abuse
@1 And who would you suggest as being “unbiased”? CFK? Tinpotman? PutridJelly? The C24? You? Five corrupt, dishonest, habitual liars!
@10 Or perhaps masters of YOUR future? I understand that people on the Islands can buy as many dollars as they want, whenever they want.
@13 Says who?
@14 Whoops, the faggots have escaped again. Indicated solution? Kneecapping!
@15 Everybody knows that the “Decolonisation Committee of the UN”, and particularly the Chairman, are paid by CFK to say what she wants them to say. THAT is what isn't hard to understand. One has only to note reports of what these lackeys say. All written by CFK's speechwriter. So Britain doesn't attend and doesn't listen. In the near future the UK, as a permanent member of the Security Council will demand disbandment of this pointless committee. It will point to the “Committee's” failure to carry out its duties properly and in accordance with the UN Charter. For example, despite invitations, neither the Committee nor any of its members have EVER visited the Falklands. A clear dereliction of its duties. Moreover, the UK will point out that decolonisation has been taken as far as is possible. All remaining territories are considered to be too small to protect themselves from larcenous neighbours. It is considered that the continuation of the so-called “decolonisation process” simply provides a forum for states with imperialist, colonialist designs to pursue their illegal objectives. Any imperialist or colonialist objectives being demonstrably illegal under the terms of the UN Charter.
@16 “Raul” was late to the brain distribution party. I have now taken to reporting every one of his comments where he lists defunct UN resolutions. It's an abuse of people's intelligence and patience.
19 reality check (#) Oct 26th, 2012 - 03:03 pm Report abuse
The last 30 years have been very good for the Falkland Islanders, I think that we can confidently predict that the next 30 years will be even better. It will be a wonderful thing to be able to call yourself a Falklander.
20 CJvR (#) Oct 26th, 2012 - 03:30 pm Report abuse
Actually the line “which will allow the Islanders to determine their political future” isn't entirely accurate. The FI have had that for a long time already. This referendum is simply the manufacturing of diplomatic and political ammunition so the UK and the FI have something solid to throw in the faces of the various ignorant fools, like the UN De-colon comity, who buy the Argie faerie-tales.
21 ProRG_American (#) Oct 26th, 2012 - 04:53 pm Report abuse
Referendum. Another UK colonial policy maneuver to hold on to what does not belong to them. The FIG Government has launched a rhetoric and 'big lie“ campaign in Central America and Mexico. Offering free travel and accomodations to journalists. Everyone knows the ”refrendum” is just a smoke screen, no one is buying it. Central amrican Governments still support Argentina and always will.
22 LEPRecon (#) Oct 26th, 2012 - 05:09 pm Report abuse
@21 -,PROaG

It's amazing how frightened you Argentinians are of freedom. How you are frightened of giving people a choice.

Tut, tut, how very totalitarian of you.

Fortunately for the Falklands the UN supports freedom.
23 agent999 (#) Oct 26th, 2012 - 05:33 pm Report abuse
The Argentinians are having their own freedoms being erased every day by KFC, Campora and all the other government free-loaders.
24 José Malvinero (#) Oct 26th, 2012 - 05:54 pm Report abuse
The call for a referendum, does nothing to recognize the sovereignty of Argentina over the Malvinas Argentinas, since if it had “no doubt” of “sovereignty” British, why would they need do that?. No one would think of doing a similar referendum to the people of the Isle of Man if they want to remain British, or a referendum to the people of any province in Argentina if they are to remain argentin. It's a desperate way out of the usurpers of trying to give a appearance of legality of the indefensible to the world.
Recently on the occasion celebration of the IX Plenary Assembly ParlAmericas in Panama, Argentine deputies disrupted plans to include English delegates of the Malvinas as full members of the Assembly. They were allowed -as they had gotten from “prepo”- only their presence as observers without voice or vote. These guys try by all means give the appearance of legality to continually blatantly illegal. Is that English interests on Malvinas, Antarctica, South Georgia and Sandwich, are very strong and does not let the lion prey easily
25 reality check (#) Oct 26th, 2012 - 06:07 pm Report abuse
Referendum, master stroke FIG and in accordance with their own Charter, the UN will recognise the decision of your people, game set and match.
26 Raul (#) Oct 26th, 2012 - 06:11 pm Report abuse
18 Conqueror

@ 16 “Raul” was late to the party brain distribution. Now I have taken to inform each of your comments on the deceased listed UN resolutions. It is an abuse of the people's intelligence and patience.

Unfortunately you are abusing the intelligence and patience of the people.
You are not prepared to live in a democracy. You have so much pride that you believe God.
The UN resolutions and Decolonization Committee United Nations continues in full force. Indeed England and the United States still relies on it in various conflicts colonialists and imperialists. Examples are the resolutions of Libya, Iraq and Afghanistan and Syria in their humanitarian bombing civilians carried out by Britain and France in its preventive war. The world's not his fault that England does not comply with international law. England is an embarrassment to Western civilization by the plundering of natural resources that do not belong and colonialism and imperialism in the 21st century.

May God help you ...
27 Rhaurie-Craughwell (#) Oct 26th, 2012 - 06:20 pm Report abuse
Raul....You forgot to add The chairman of C-24, his right honourable Ambassador Francisco Carrión-Mena of Ecuador.....

Clearly an un-biased voice whose country has no vested interest in supporting Argentina's outrageous and baffling claims :)
28 reality check (#) Oct 26th, 2012 - 06:26 pm Report abuse
We do not need gods help, for those of us who believe in him/her, we are happy the way we are thank you very much but your welcome to his help if you like. As a miracle seems to be about the only way you will ever usurp sovereignty over the Falklands.
29 HansNiesund (#) Oct 26th, 2012 - 06:53 pm Report abuse
@26 Raul

Check out the first sentence of paragraph 3 below. The Secretary General of the United Nations doesn't seem to be quite aligned with the Argentine case. Why do you think that is?

“Following is UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon’s message to the opening of the 2012 session of the Special Committee on Decolonization, as delivered by Assistant Secretary-General for Political Affairs, Oscar Fernandez-Taranco, 23 February, in New York:

I am pleased to greet the Special Committee as it begins its work for 2012. The creation of new sovereign nations was once described as one of the great liberating movements of history. Yet the process of decolonization is not complete. Sixteen Non-Self-Governing Territories across the globe — home to nearly 2 million people — remain to be decolonized.

In keeping with the principles of the Charter and subsequent mandating resolutions, the international community continues it efforts to make tangible progress in assisting those territories to achieve self-determination. To do so, we will need the constructive involvement of all concerned — notably this Committee, the administering Powers and the Non-Self-Governing Territories themselves.

The Special Committee is in a position to develop innovative approaches and generate new dynamics among all concerned. Together with the administering Powers and the Territories, suitable pragmatic partnerships leading to the full implementation of the decolonization process should be elaborated on a case-by-case-basis.

Sustained and improved official and informal communication between the Special Committee and the administering Powers will be essential. The Secretariat, for its part, will continue to assist the Committee in implementing its annual programme of work. I wish you every success.”

www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2012/sgsm14122.doc.htm
30 Islas Malvinas (#) Oct 26th, 2012 - 07:54 pm Report abuse
@29 Hans

Cough, cough

”Ban urges dialogue in dispute over Falkland Islands (Malvinas)“
”He called on the TWO governments to resolve their differences peacefully and through dialogue”
No mention about falkland islanders.

www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=41204&Cr=argentina&Cr1#.UIrpYm_A_so

Are you ready for dialog?
31 Eddieposted (#) Oct 26th, 2012 - 08:05 pm Report abuse
@30
He said
“In keeping with the principles of the Charter and subsequent mandating resolutions, the international community continues it efforts to make tangible progress in assisting those territories to achieve self-determination. To do so, we will need the constructive involvement of all concerned — notably this Committee, the administering Powers and the Non-Self-Governing Territories themselves”
32 toooldtodieyoung (#) Oct 26th, 2012 - 08:17 pm Report abuse
24 José Malvinero

Who gives a s**t about “the sovereignty of Argentina over the Malvinas” how many times do you have to say “They're not yours”?

This is about the islanders being free. Free to stand up together and be counted. To show the world that they are a people and that their wishes matter and it is FOR NO-ONE to decide for them. Not Britain, definately not the UN or some has-been actors, pop-stars and nobel prize winners and certainly not Argentina.

Has anyone else noticed that the Argentine posters on this site, posting on this story are crying out “But what about us?” A word to the wise........

THIS IS NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT YOU WANT OR WHAT YOU SAY.

This is about freedom and self determination and choice. I realise that some of the words I just used will be unfamiliar to the Argentine posters, particularly “Freedom” and “Choice”.

You go guys!! I'm with :- 2 Huntsman Extraordinaire on this one.

Good luck, you guys deserve it.
33 reality check (#) Oct 26th, 2012 - 08:17 pm Report abuse
And Cameron said, talk to the Islanders!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
34 Islas Malvinas (#) Oct 26th, 2012 - 08:18 pm Report abuse
@33 I´m afraid Cameron is not the Master of the Universe ¬¬
35 toooldtodieyoung (#) Oct 26th, 2012 - 08:41 pm Report abuse
34 Islas Malvinas

Right boat.... WRONG River!!!!

This is nothing to do with Came-moron either. The Islanders, in their wisdom, have not let him anywhere near this referendum, lest he should f**k that up too.
36 LEPRecon (#) Oct 26th, 2012 - 08:45 pm Report abuse
@34 - Maldives

And Argentina has no legitimate sovereignty claims over the Falkland Islands beyond , 'but we WANT them,' which doesn't cut the mustard with the UN.

No matter how many times you rehash the old lies it won't make any difference, and your government continues to destroy your reputation as a serious country every time they open their mouths.

Actions speak louder than words. Argentina talks of peace and cooperation and negotiation, but your actions show only aggression, distain and a demand to oppress the Falkland Islanders and remove their rights as human beings.

The world sees your government for what they truly are, bullies and cowards.
37 reality check (#) Oct 26th, 2012 - 08:48 pm Report abuse
No and he is not the master of the Falklands either.
38 Islander1 (#) Oct 26th, 2012 - 09:15 pm Report abuse
Islas Malvinas- Once again I ask you this question - you have never answered me yet?
When is the Arg Governemt going to respond to the offer made by the elected Falkland Islands Govt, inwriting via your Embassy in London, to Buenos Aires offerring to sit down with them across the table an d talk about a wide range of mutual issues - like Fisheries, Communications, etc etc.?
Please can you answer me on this one?
Arg President has publicly stated that all she wants to do is “sit and talk”
and not neccesarily about sovereignty.

The Islands Govt has responded to her - saying Yes ,OK let us sit and talk.

There has been a DEAD SILENCE from Buenos Aires ever since- why?
39 HansNiesund (#) Oct 26th, 2012 - 09:15 pm Report abuse
@30
Dialog, sure. I believe the FIG are still awaiting a reply to their kind letter offering precisely that.

The position of course remains that the UK will not enter into discussions on sovereignity without the express consent of the islanders. But this is a less intransigent position than that of Argentina, which has in its very constitution declared its sovereignity claim non-negotiable under any circumstances.

Only in Argentina is painting into a corner apparently considered good politics.

@31
How curious. All about self-determination, and no mention of fourth parties being involved at all.
40 Pirate Love (#) Oct 26th, 2012 - 09:50 pm Report abuse
!Good on you Falklands, and about time too!

unlucky argentina go cry some more :)
41 Steveu (#) Oct 27th, 2012 - 12:06 am Report abuse
Sounds like the “usual suspects” are pretty rattled about this - shame!
42 Liberato (#) Oct 27th, 2012 - 12:57 am Report abuse
Islander1, Dont be ridiculous, we are willing to talk about everything, as long as sovereignty is also on the table.
What you said is false, the island government said they are willing to talk only about practical matters but not about sovereignty. Why Argentina should discuss about practical matters without sovereignty?. This dispute is not about fisheris or communications or whatever you might think, it is about SOVEREIGNTY. And it is a responsibility of the uk and Argentina to negotiate and solve it.
43 Islander1 (#) Oct 27th, 2012 - 01:27 am Report abuse
Liberato- Who is being ridiculous? Your President stated publicy in the UN that she wants to sit down and discuss and NOT just about Sovereignty. Even she realises that to make progress you first of all have to agree to start talking to get at least a basic understanding underway - maybe at a later date then you would ask to talk about sovereignty and each others positions.
Who are you to state what is the responsibility of the UK? - I think that is up to the British people there to decide. as they are a democracy- and we are also a democracy here in the Islands - they have said - you decide - you are the people of the Islands and after all you now run your own Government within the islands.
If the dispute is not about fisheries - then why does your Govt actively discrininate against companys that also operate here and itself breach the Int Maritime Convention by harassing vessels transiting through your zones and in the past from entering or leaving the Straits of Magellan bound for the Islands?
If it is not about Communications then why does it break Int Air Transport agreements by preventing civilian aircraft overflying through its airspace if they are on a flight to the islands?
Shall I go on?
44 CJvR (#) Oct 27th, 2012 - 02:32 am Report abuse
What is the point of having discussions and negotiations when one side have already written in the only outcome it will accept in it's constitution? It is completely pointless, indeed the only thing even more pointless is constant whining about having a completely pointless negotiation round.
45 Simon68 (#) Oct 27th, 2012 - 03:18 pm Report abuse
Islas Malvinas, José Malvinero, et al:

I have, in another thread stated that the UN recognizes the UK as the Administrating Power in the Falkland Islands, and one of you asked “so what?”

If the UN recognizes Argentinas claim to the Islands as valid, WHY DOES TH UN NOT RECOGNIZE ARGENTINA AS ADMINISTRATING POWER???????
46 Conqueror (#) Oct 27th, 2012 - 03:46 pm Report abuse
@21 You know nothing. In fact, now that you're prepared to admit that the Falkland Islands have a government (FIG = Falkland Islands Government NOT Falkland Islands Government Government), we can let it be known that the campaign is actually a “big truth” one. They have realised it's time to counteract the lies from the cesspit!
@24 Crawled out from under your stone again? Pity argies weren't successful, eh? It's only those with something to fear that try to stop others from speaking.
@26 You're funny. And dim. If I understood your crap attempt at English correctly, please state the point in time at which UN resolutions became international law? Be the way, God always helps us. What's he done for you lot lately?
@30 As Eddie points out, in case you're too thick to understand, he calls on the Committee, the administering Powers and the Non-Self Governing Territories. No mention of nearby belligerent, imperialist colonialists. So no place for argieland.
@34 Be afraid! A lot of us in Britain have already run out of patience.
@42 It is not possible for sovereignty to be on the table. The Falkland Islanders say not. Britain says not. And the UN says not.
47 Liberato (#) Oct 27th, 2012 - 04:39 pm Report abuse
(Liberato- Who is being ridiculous? Your President stated publicy in the UN that she wants to sit down and discuss and NOT just about Sovereignty. Even she realises that to make progress you first of all have to agree to start talking to get at least a basic understanding underway - maybe at a later date then you would ask to talk about sovereignty and each others positions.
Who are you to state what is the responsibility of the UK? - I think that is up to the British people there to decide. as they are a democracy- and we are also a democracy here in the Islands - they have said - you decide - you are the people of the Islands and after all you now run your own Government within the islands.)

Islander1, The UN ask both governments the uk and Argentina to negotiate sovereignty in order to decolonize the territorie. The dispute is about sovereignty, not about practical matters of who fish here or there. And what our president said is that we can discuss about everything with the UK government, obviously that include else the sovereignty problem.
What you assume is that we should discuss with islanders about fishing and communication, becouse it is within your interest to discuss that. But reality is that the problem is about sovereignty and involve the uk government and Argentina. There like 40 UN resolutions asking for sovereignty negotiations, not fishing or communication.
Is the Uk willing to respect UN resolutions and negotiate sovereignty?. Is the islanders offers to talk directly to the argentine government a proposal to discuss also about sovereignty?.

Simon68, The UN recognize the uk as the administering power becouse thats what they are. To define the colony situation of a territorie, you have the territorie under a colonial situation and its administering power. In this case the territorie under a colonial situation are the Malvinas islands and the administering power of that colony is the UK.
So the UK own the colony government not the land. Got it?.
48 Steveu (#) Oct 27th, 2012 - 05:17 pm Report abuse
@47 You are talking from a position that supposes that the UN C24 sub committee on decolonisation has any real credibility (when Syria starts lecturing us on human rights you sort of get the picture).

The C24 is a circus and next year's referendum on the islander's right to self-determination should be the final nail in its coffin vis a vis the islanders.
49 agent999 (#) Oct 27th, 2012 - 05:41 pm Report abuse
It makes no difference to which country claims sovereignty.

The basis mandate of the c24 is:-

“ all people have a right to self-determination”
50 Islas Malvinas (#) Oct 27th, 2012 - 06:34 pm Report abuse
@45 Simon68. Go get a brain and when you don`t ask stupid question, I`ll answer.
51 briton the arse (#) Oct 27th, 2012 - 06:46 pm Report abuse
@46 Simon68 Zhivago
There is too much poverty in the islands..see what the internet shows!
52 Steveu (#) Oct 27th, 2012 - 07:15 pm Report abuse
@51 If that's poverty, can I have some please?
53 Conqueror (#) Oct 27th, 2012 - 08:20 pm Report abuse
@47 I can clarify the situation for you. There will be NO negotiations involving argieland on the subject of sovereignty. You can sit there and whitter sovereignty all you like. If there is sovereignty, it will be the sovereignty of the Falkland Islands. That may be discussed with the UK. Argieland has a simple position. It can accept the status quo, or it can attempt to “force” its view. If it wants to use force, the UK's capabilities are far greater than they were in '82. The UK is NOT willing to discuss sovereignty with a bunch of jumped-up, rebel, Spanish colonialists with delusions of grandeur. The process of “decolonisation” ends with independence. How many argie invaders would you like to lose this time? 6,000? 60,000? 600,000? WE don't care. Would you prefer it to be 6 million? It's your choice. Accept the status quo and the rule of law (that's real law, not the argie version) or accept the consequences. I promise you that Britain's response will be to destroy the argie power base. Pick a grouping of hovels. Buenos Aires. Rosario. Santa Fe. Mendoza. Rio Gallegos. Push it and we will, if necessary, reduce the population of argieland to less than a million. Don't think of 2 or 3 thousand Falkland Islanders. Think of 65 million Britons wanting argie blood and guts. BACK OFF! You have been warned. You mean nothing to us except that you are enemies. Enemies are made for us to kill. And we will kill you. You have no chance. We could kill you tomorrow. Perhaps the missiles are already on their way. Argies have a limited number of choices. Grow up. Get real. Become human. Or die. My preference is for you all to die. There's nothing argie worth keeping. Every single negative characteristic means an argie. Anal, belligerent, corrupt, criminal, degenerate, genocidal, greedy, mendacious, necrophiliac, putrid, queer, sodomist, vicious. And these are only the “finer” characteristics. Barely human. Actually, more ape-like. Argies = monkeys. Learn your place, faggots!
54 Diddles (#) Oct 27th, 2012 - 08:29 pm Report abuse
Great idea to invite the Carribean journalists from Barbados, Jamaica, Beliza, Grenada, Guyana and St Lucia to visit the Falklands. They are seeing on the ground what the Falklands are truly all about and are now able to communicate their understanding of same to their people, including their political leaders....For example, I have noticed some excellent news reports written by the Barbadian journalist in her national newspaper, the Nation News (www.nationnews.com), about her tour expereience.

As for the referendum, a brilliant move by the Falklanders.....it will send a clear and decisive message to the world that the Falklanders are in control of their circumstances and not a sadly deteriorating nation known as Argentina, that becomes embarrassingly more comical each day under its current government.

Of course, some nations with axes to grind or biased positions , will not recognise the Falklands referendum result but that will only show the rest of the world how absurd and hypocritcal it is to take such a position.

The referendum will send a strong message as well to the presently largely biased UN Decolonisation Committee....which led by an Argentine ally in Ecuador refuses to even visit the Falklands..

Anyway, Viva Las Islas Falklands siempre!!! Long Live the Falkland Islands always....for a small population, your collective intelligence as shown for example by your leadership within your legislative assembly far exceeds your irritating and arrogant neighbour. It's time for Argentina to grow up, put away the dummy and behave like responsible adults....unfortunately, if posters like Think, Islas Malvinas, Liberato, Marco Alejandro, Guzz and ProArg are any guide to Argentin's political leadership, that may take some time yet.
55 Islas Malvinas (#) Oct 27th, 2012 - 08:39 pm Report abuse
@53 Conqueror.
You suffer from post war traumatic effects, You clearly have issues.
Have you though of starting psycological treatment?

@ Diddles.
Don`t be silly. UK`s desperate efford to gain support from a bunch of islands in the Caribean is hilarious. The continent the Falklands are located at understand the islands are argentine territory. End of story.
“Some nations with axes to grind or biased positions , will not recognise the Falklands referendum”. Wrong. Those nations will ignoring British manouvers to get its way unilaterally.
“Your collective intelligence”? The what now?
56 Rhaurie-Craughwell (#) Oct 27th, 2012 - 09:29 pm Report abuse
55 Desperate? Your govt are the desperate ones mate, I've noticed a remarkable drop in the tedious ramblings spouting from your lunatic administration...could it be that the down right boring Malvinista whinges of victimhood at the UN have managed to galvanise the collective majority of the world not to care....

As for referendum, you may consider it to be British “manoeuvres”, however it grants a bit more world attention and legitimacy to a peoples who supposedly do not matter in said dispute, and your govt and its other psychotic cohorts in the region and are going to look increasingly silly demanding sovereignty over a group of islands who have just overwhelmingly and democratically said they want to decide their won future.....Ignore at your peril, because we can turn around and say you are now ignoring the freely expressed democratic wishes of the Falklands....

So Islas Malvinas, are you now opposed to democracy?
57 Diddles (#) Oct 27th, 2012 - 09:41 pm Report abuse
Isalas Malvinas....where is that? Oh yes, that imaginery country that doesn't exist!

Seriously, Islas Malvinas keep deluding yourself.....don't let facts get in the way of crazy Argentine logic.....and you wonder why Argentina is going down the economic drain.....what is that inflation rate again.....oh yes, 25-30% p.a.....plus the US dollar clamp, the absurd protectionist trade pressures and the general poor and corrupt administration of your nation.....yes, Argentina, a serious nation, I think not....the Peronistas and their fellow travellers like la Campora have really done a lot to totally stuff up what should be an economically successful nation....mugs like that, including their supporters like yours truly, Las Malvinas, should hang your heads down in SHAME. Your country is on fire, but does your government try to deal with the real problems.....no, no, no......it's too easy to carry on about the Falklands as a political distraction...still, at least some Argentines are tiring of this farce and are beginning to see people like CFK for what they really are....total jokes!

Long live the Falklands and good luck with your referendum. As an Australian, I admire your calm determination to stand up to the Argentine Government's ridiculous bullying tactics.

By the way, Islas Malvinas, Australia, an influential middle power, is on the Security Council and is highly unlikely to support your efforts to raise the Falklands issue. Australia remains a good ally of Britain and is unlikely to be swayed in anyway by an erratic and desperate Argentine Govt on this matter.
58 Pete Bog (#) Oct 27th, 2012 - 10:33 pm Report abuse
@48
“The C24 is a circus and next year's referendum on the islander's right to self-determination should be the final nail in its coffin vis a vis the islanders”

I believe I read somewhere in the UN C24 blurb that the C24 are supposed to visit the countries they claim to be de-colonising. If the C24 don't visit the Falkland Islands, that is clearly going against what they themselves preach. No prpoer organiasation can make a decision based on no visit.

However, we all know that are scared at what they would see if they visited.
59 Zhivago (#) Oct 28th, 2012 - 12:46 am Report abuse
51 briton the arse
Sussie....... Sussie...... go to hell, you are not smart enough to keep changing your name!!! You are nothing but bloody rubbish empanada eating scum.
Go clean some toilets!
60 Liberato (#) Oct 28th, 2012 - 12:51 am Report abuse
Pete, as in the Gibraltar case, the referendum will not be supported, nor recognized by the UN as valid.
If you get UN observers for the referendum, then we could talk about its importance. Who will you bring as observers? two or three little central american states that are part of the commonwealth?.
The Malvinas case, is a special and particular one that differs from other cases in light of the sovereignty dispute.
You are wrong Pete, the UN c24 MAY visit the territories under decolonization.
www.un.org/en/decolonization/questions_answers.shtml
What does the Special Committee on decolonization do?

*With the cooperation of the administering Power, it may send visiting missions to a particular Territory, to better understand what can be done to move the decolonization process forward;

And for the kid that still mastur.... about the uk having more weapons than us, go and sleep well, we are not taking the weapons of mass destructions from the sea around Malvinas islands. It is the british oil companies that are doing it.
61 Islander1 (#) Oct 28th, 2012 - 01:09 am Report abuse
Liberato-please get your facts correct- Your President said in public in the UN that she just wants to sit and talk - and sovereignty does not have to be on the agenda. (at first I guess which is reasonable to do).
Falkland Islands Govt have offerred to do just that - sit and talk - about a whole range of issues and not sovereignty.

WHY does she refuse to answer?

We know one thing she would like is to get Aerolineas to fly here. FACT is that she will have to talk direct to the falklands Govt about this as the UK Govt has NOTHING to do with who flies in or out of the islands - that is under the power of the Falkland Islands Govt Department of Civil Aviation. So these people are the ones she has to talk to - not London.
Do you understand?
Reality is that the Islands are NOT a Colony, as the world used to know Colonys - we used to be yes. But for some time know we have full internal self-government , our own Laws and Lawyers,taxes,offsore zones and control, Hydrocarbons regimes etc etc. We have a Governor who is the representative of the UK Govt and Crown - he has NO VOTE in any Govt dept or Council/Cabinet.
His powers now are -on behalf of the UK Govt who have to answer to and report to the UN - to ensure that the democratic principles of “good governance” are applied here. The only time he can interfere and
over-rule are if he sees a deliberate policy of corruption/bias/etc etc.
You talk about sovereignty as if it applies only to a place and land/ People to you are irrevelant - that is why under your plan We would become COLONIAL SUBJECTS of a Foreign Govt-Argentina- ruling over us in our homeland.
My family have been in these Islands for 170 years - 8 generations - are you going to try and tell me that I have no rights to call these Islands MY COUNTRY?
62 Liberato (#) Oct 28th, 2012 - 03:46 am Report abuse
Islander1, Of course the argentine government will not recognize a “falklands” country becouse there is not such thing. Why would we do that? The UN does not recognize you as a country but as a territorie in a colonial situation. And not a clasical colonial situation where the uk exploit the population of the islands but a colony where the population are the colonialists. They define that situation correctly when they say that the islands are a special and particular territorie in a colonial situation that differs from other cases of colonialism in light of the sovereignty dispute.
Not even the USA, ally of your government (the uk), recognize british sovereignty over the islands you are living.
So the card is open for the uk to discuss about everything related to the Malvinas with Argentina. It had happened in the past.
Look pal, who decide who flies in or out of Scotland might be the director of civil aviation of Scotland but the government which we have to talk to flies to Scotland, England , Whales or North Ireland is the uk government. The same happens with you.

An important question i would like to ask you, when in your opinion your islands stopped being a colony?.

What you say about your own laws and lawers, means the english law with some little reforms and british lawers and judges who came all the way down from london.
You make me laugh when you describes the power of the governor on behalf of the uk government who has to report to the UN to take care of good governance.
In turk and caicos, a british judge (born in Great Britain) accused the government of corruption with not a single proof, not a single trial, not a single just defense, with the constitution eliminated and reformed from London, with another government elected from london. So they have the power to kill your government, kill your “constitution”, do whatever London decide with nothing you can do becouse all judges you have there came from Britain and you think you have democracy?.
63 Eddieposted (#) Oct 28th, 2012 - 07:59 am Report abuse
@62
Argentina is a land “where the population are the colonialists” .
You argies are deluded.
64 HansNiesund (#) Oct 28th, 2012 - 08:19 am Report abuse
@62

All you have is a claim to sovereignty based on an inheritance from Spain that was never left to you, and an expulsion of civilians that never happened.

You went to war with this in 1982 and lost.

Now you want to deny the islanders a voice in their own destiny, and call it “decolonization”.

And last but not least, you go about pursuing this claim in a way that guarantees it will fail.

It's hilarious.
65 reality check (#) Oct 28th, 2012 - 09:40 am Report abuse
“Pete, as in the Gibraltar case, the referendum will not be supported, nor recognized by the UN as valid.”

Lets wait and see shall we.

I for one find it incredulous that a body such as the UN will ignore a referendum, which is after all, a fundamental instrument of the democratic process.

Who are you or they for that matter, to say that an excercise in democracy is illegal. I can understand why you would, after all you have partisan reasons.

The UN though, different matter, it is suppose to be a non partisan organistion, with democracy enshrined its existance.

So I say again, lets wait and see.
66 Raven (#) Oct 28th, 2012 - 11:03 am Report abuse
With regards the Falklands, I do wonder if they would become a Crown dependency?

I also wonder how this would affect things in the UN. The Falklands after all are not really that far short of Jersey, Guernsey and the Isle of Man in the way they operate. All have their own independent government, have the ability to tax etc. Would the Falklands referendum make them a Crown dependency? I would like to hear from Guzz and the rest of the South American born posters here about this.
67 reality check (#) Oct 28th, 2012 - 11:39 am Report abuse
I would answer that one by saying, like all referendums, it's all in the wording, all in the wording of the question being voted on.
68 Steveu (#) Oct 28th, 2012 - 03:58 pm Report abuse
@66 a Crown Dependency is a slightly different thing

The Channel Islands are technically the last part of Normandy that still swears allegiance to the [ “English” ] Crown but, in de facto terms, you are correct.

I'm not sure how the IOM got its status - it levies VAT so there are no customs etc with the UK unlike the CIs
69 Islas Malvinas (#) Oct 28th, 2012 - 04:00 pm Report abuse
@56 The UK couldn`t be more isolated in Latinamerica... so it`s running afer the support of tiny islands many members of the Commonwealth... I call that desperation.
The referendum is meaningless. It`s only a disguise, a facade. When it comes solving a dispute between TWO states, as per the UN, the islanders wishes do not matter.
@57 Why is it that you folks start talking about Argentina`s economy instead of focusing on the matter that is in question here...? And specially when British economy is not in one of it`s best moments in history. Is it lack of arguments?
The UK does not need Australia in the Security Council. It helds the veto power... And it`s happyly enjoying the beneffits provided by this non democratic international body. UK loves democracy.
@61 Argentina won`t negotiate with the colonial government because by doing so she`ll be ignoring all UN resolutions that are giving no place to islanders to determine the soveregitny dispute between the TWO parties in question. We just follow UN resolutions. Other countries with veto power behave non-democratically in the international arena. Besides, remember you “self-govern” govern yourselves except when it comes to Defence and Foreign Affairs... so how can you pretend to negotiate anything with Argentina when would be a Foreign Affairs matter? Or do you consider yourselves within argentine territory already? Reality is that the islands are a colony trying to be hiden behind the self-determination parody. So yout Viceroy governor has the power to over-rule? What kind of self-determination is that? You`re a colony. And a joke.
@65 Why don`t you go and check reality? You expell argentine population. You populate the islands with British subjects and maintain strict demographic controls. Then you “democraticaly” ask the populations if they want to remain British. Democracy is not the problem. The problem is your despicable ruthlessness.

@66 The referendum won`t change anything in the UN or anywhere else.
The so
70 Eddieposted (#) Oct 28th, 2012 - 04:22 pm Report abuse
@69
No - no argentine population was expelled from the Falklands.
And it is argentina that has been populated with spanish “subjects and maintain strict demographic controls” against the native poulation.
You argies are deluded.
71 Conqueror (#) Oct 28th, 2012 - 04:32 pm
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72 reality check (#) Oct 28th, 2012 - 04:39 pm Report abuse
@69
Expelled Argentinians lol, how can you expel something that does not exist!!!!!!!
73 Raven (#) Oct 28th, 2012 - 05:30 pm Report abuse
@68 Steveu The Channel Islanders pledge allegiance to the Duke of Normandy. The IOM I have no clue either...

@69 Islas Are you sure things wont change? I thought the UN would recognise the Falklands as an independent territory. Would the change to a Crown dependency alter matters?

I also have to ask, what would Argentina offer to the Islanders IF they became the overall governing power. Much has been spoken on here about how Argentina 'owns' the Falklands but I have yet to see a poster (or CFK even,) offer a solution as to how they would integrate the Falklands into their way of life, how the Islanders would be ruled, how they would be supported, how the prosperous economy would be continued, how the Islanders would be treated.

Such things really need to be discussed and resolved to a mutual satisfaction for ALL sides.

In the meantime, I do wonder just what effect the referendum will be regards UN treaties, claims, UK status etc.
74 HansNiesund (#) Oct 28th, 2012 - 05:44 pm Report abuse
@69

Your Malvinas myth would be merely comic if it hasn't resulted in 1000 deaths on its last outing.

In fact there is no UN resolution anywhere that says the UK is supposed to negotiate the transfer of sovereignty to Argentina. And there is certainly no UN resolution that says the islanders are to be excluded from any negotiation that does take place. That would be a violation of every principle that organization is supposed to uphold, as well as the mandate of the C24 itself.
75 Pete Bog (#) Oct 28th, 2012 - 06:55 pm Report abuse
@69
“the colonial government ”
There is no colonial government on the Falkland Islands-if that were ther casethe British parliamnet woild be running the Islands instead of FIG.

YOU are the would- be colonialists, by wanting to subjugate a people who don't want to be Argentinian.

That's what colonialism is.
76 briton (#) Oct 28th, 2012 - 07:18 pm Report abuse
69 Islas Malvinas (#)
The UK couldn`t be more isolated in Latinamerica,

not with America military on argie soil, giving info perhaps.
77 Martin Woodhead (#) Oct 28th, 2012 - 07:49 pm Report abuse
You invaded and lost.
The falkland islanders dont want or need you .
No country has successfully claimed land back it “lost” in the 1800's since 1945 unless your a super power no countrys got away with a land grab either.
Plus your broke and economicaly “intresting” and the island is doing very nicely why would they want to be ruled by people who manage to have there flagship repoed?
78 briton the arse (#) Oct 28th, 2012 - 08:24 pm
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79 briton (#) Oct 28th, 2012 - 08:28 pm Report abuse
According to ones XFILES.

In 2012 their was, 10 United States air force personal in Argentina,
In 2012 their was, 4, United States Army personal in Argentina,
In 2012 their was, 7, United States marine corps personal in Argentina,
In 2012 their was, 5, United States Navy personal in Argentina,
So far this year,

Just a thought, for a country that supposes to want nowt to do with the Americas….

Still,
They were invited, and only their to give advice,
So they say….
.
80 Islander1 (#) Oct 29th, 2012 - 01:09 am Report abuse
62 - Sorry to disallusion you and tell you hard facts!
Ask Lan Chile WHO Authorizes their flights each week into the Islands and who do they discuss landing arrangements and insurance documentation with - Falkland Islands Govt Dept of Civil Aviation - or London?
Ask Argentines who stamps their passports on arrival here and what that stamp has printed on it? The Words Falkland Islands Government Immmigration Dept! That is who authorises Argentine citizens to enter our Islands - or who may refuse them entry.Yes every citizen from any nation- even UK - has to get the authority of the Falkland Islands Immigration Dept to enter the islands.
Ask Chilean and Uruguyan Customs - to whom do they address the standard international export documentation for cargo exported to the Islands?
Many of our Laws are quite different from English Law! Yes we hire in Judges and Lawyers - they then have to learn and work to Falkland Islands Law.
We have a different Constitutional system to you - with ours the Judges are SEPERATE to the Government - just as in Ghana!(as your President found out) Our Judges are not bribed and in the pocket of politicians - unlike how your president controls the Judges!!
Ask yourself - who has the superior Democracy eh?

We stopped being an old fashioned “Colony” about 10-15 years ago - it has been a gradual change over the last 30 years.
Oh - and Yes, USA DOES recognise Falkland Islands Govt as beiong the current Government of the Islands. On the Sov. issue they remain neutral and say it is a bilateral issue indeed, but they recognize reality. That was why a US registered aircraft came the other day with parts for the oilrig from USA, that is why a USA Oil Company is now investing in the islands Oil idustry.

69-Islas Malvina - please list the names of the Arg civilian who were ejected by the Br
81 reality check (#) Oct 29th, 2012 - 04:49 am Report abuse
@69
Your country did not exist at the time of this non existent expulsion, historical fact. So explain how a non existent Malvinas belonged to a non existent Argentina?
82 Doveoverdover (#) Oct 29th, 2012 - 10:06 am Report abuse
@80 Many of our Laws are quite different from English Law! Which ones would they be then? You really do undermine your argument when you assert something as ridiculous as that. Quite clearly anything that is more than a locally specific by-law is rooted in English Common and Statute law. Why don't you ask Mr Gumsley?

www.falklandnews.com/public/story.cfm?get=6396&source=3

And you can call it what you like, as long as the electorate is made up of British citizens under a British appointed Governor and with the 2008 Constitution is in place, you are collectively a colony.
83 briton the arse (#) Oct 29th, 2012 - 03:19 pm Report abuse
@79
Shut up stupid child!
84 Anbar (#) Oct 29th, 2012 - 05:40 pm Report abuse
“”“No mention about falkland islanders.”“”

***** notably this Committee, the administering Powers and the Non-Self-Governing Territories themselves.*****

in case you missed it again:

**** and the Non-Self-Governing Territories themselves****

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“”“@65 Why don`t you go and check reality? You expel South American native population. You populate the lands with Spanish subjects and maintain strict demographic controls. Then you “ democratically” ask the Spanish colonisers if they want to be Argentinian or hand the l;and back to the INDIGENOUS PEOPLES! Democracy is not the problem. The problem is your despicable ruthlessness.”“”

Lions & Tigers and Bears! Oh my!
85 briton (#) Oct 29th, 2012 - 06:06 pm Report abuse
83
for a dead duck you time is running out,
60days to go.
86 Monty69 (#) Oct 29th, 2012 - 06:07 pm Report abuse
82 Doveoverdover
Many countries have legal systems based on English law, including the USA and most of the Commonwealth. That doesn't mean that their laws are the same.
The Falkland Islands has an independent legal system and many of its laws are different to those in the UK. They are not 'by- laws'. They are only 'locally specific' in the sense that an Australian or Jamaican law is 'locally specific'.
87 briton the arse (#) Oct 29th, 2012 - 06:08 pm Report abuse
@85
,,,,, made it now,,,,,. your arse is for sale!
lol
88 briton (#) Oct 29th, 2012 - 06:10 pm Report abuse
your smelly insults just make you look rather sill and stupid, does it not,

sticks and stones,.
89 briton the arse (#) Oct 29th, 2012 - 06:24 pm Report abuse
@88
hey,,,,,I am your arse!
lol
90 briton (#) Oct 29th, 2012 - 06:39 pm Report abuse
Sticks and stones,

sissies gnomes.
91 Islas Malvinas (#) Oct 29th, 2012 - 07:02 pm Report abuse
@84 Anbar

Are they referring to the PARTICULAR and SPECIAL colony of Malvinas when they mention the Non-Self-Governing Territories in general?
What do they say about islanders when they clearly do mention them on resolutions regarding this particular dispute?

There is no worse blind man than the one who does not want to see.
Don´t be one of those, Anbar.
92 Pete Bog (#) Oct 29th, 2012 - 08:17 pm Report abuse
@91
“What do they say about islanders when they clearly do mention them on resolutions regarding this particular dispute?”

They mention Independence being important and the Islander's interests (ie, what is best for them). The Argentines do not take ANY of the Falkland Islanders interests into account therefore Argentina is breaking the resolution (s).

Argentina obviously did not understand resolution 2065, as they thought invading the Islands was an option in 1982. That action broke the resolution as no where in that resolution did it say that an armed malevolent invasion was concurrent. Don't believe me? read it.

Argentina subsequently broke resolution 502, and have ignored UN resolutions about the River Plate with Uruguay and the illegal displacement of native Amerindians recently.

I suggest you don't lecture the UK on what you see as its responsibilities when Argentina does its level best to welch on its debts, accuses countries of misdemeanours that don't exist, and itself breaks as many bilateral agreements and UN resolutions as it possibly can..
@91
“There is no worse blind man than the one who does not want to see”

Like you when you can't be bothered to look up history from 1833 properly?

Go to specsavers and get some reading glasses. You don't want to see due to those massive blinkers you wear, so you have a nerve lecturing other people on blindness=you are, the blind leading the blind.

Argentina at the UN=the boy that cried Wolf.
93 briton (#) Oct 29th, 2012 - 08:21 pm Report abuse
There is no worse blind man than the one who does not want to see
///////////////////////////
Translated as.
Their is no indoctrination that convinces the CFK supporters that the Malvinas actually exists,

,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
The British Falklands are British,
And the indoctrinated Malvinas are somewhere with Atlantis,
And the CFK argentines are 300 miles away
savvy..
94 Islander1 (#) Oct 29th, 2012 - 08:30 pm Report abuse
DoverOver- As several have pointed out to you - Plenty of Independent nations have a Law and Legal system based on the British one- with their own practical national variations.
One we have that is totally different though for example is the “Black List” - here the Court- a Doctor or the Police - or yourself - can get you put on this list which prohibits you from entering a shop or bar and buying alcohol - and makes it illegal for anyone else to buy it for you.
It is quite usefull in keeping some folks who cannot help themselves
(and every nation has some) from ruining their lives - and helps some who know they have a problem and put themselves voluntarily on the list to help stop. In fact some even do it for a few months to save money!
In UK and in the EU it would probabaly be and illegal law and agin “human rights” - here it is common sense and at times quite effective.
In Planning and Building regulations we have quite a few - ones that modify UK regulations a bit to make them commonsense in the Falklands scenario.
That is just an example of Why we are NOT a true old fashioned Colony as you think of it.
Another example is in Currency - the Falklands Pound - albeit linked to the GB£ - we are NOT in the Sterling Area - we are OUTSIDE it.
The Bank here would be quite entiteld to set a Falkland Islands Base Rate!
Common sense prevails in that since 75% of our trade and finance movements are with UK - it is sensible to go with their rates! But we do not have to - we could have the Falkland Dollar or whatever if we wanted to.
So sorry - but we are NOT a Colony - we are a self governing British Overseas Territory - and the only thing that prevents us moving to full Independence is a thing called Argenina - Yes! - you are forcing us to stay dependent on UK for Defence - or in your own words -YOU are forcing us to stay a Colony!
95 Islas Malvinas (#) Oct 29th, 2012 - 08:35 pm Report abuse
UN: No self-determination for Malvinas colony.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=lV0bANR4LPc
96 briton (#) Oct 29th, 2012 - 08:36 pm Report abuse
he is mearly trying to upstage you,

he knows they are not wanted,
but indocrination prevents any other reply to you,
these argies are not the brightest torch in the box.
97 Islas Malvinas (#) Oct 29th, 2012 - 08:37 pm Report abuse
@96 I´m only showing reality. :) Be happy.
98 briton (#) Oct 29th, 2012 - 08:42 pm Report abuse
if being happy
is making others unhappy,
then you may keep your happyness,

why you no except that they have a right to decide who controls them,

its their island, so its their choice, is it not.
99 Pete Bog (#) Oct 29th, 2012 - 08:54 pm Report abuse
@95
“UN: No self-determination for Malvinas colony.”
I still can't find any UN paperwork that expressly says that there is no self-determination for the Falkland Islands. I'm still waiting for a Malvanista who can guide me to where the UN expressly forbids self-determination for the Islands rather than provide a link to CFK laughing when she was 50 years younger.
100 Islas Malvinas (#) Oct 29th, 2012 - 08:55 pm Report abuse
@98 Briton

By “except” I guess you meant “accept”. Whatever “I” accept is irrelevant. It´s not my personal opinion what matters.

What is being questioned here is the applicability of the “self-determination” principle to a British population in argentine territory.

They base their position on general principles regarding self-determination for peoples on NON-self-governing territories, ignorying the fact that every time the UN treated the so called Malvinas / Falkland question the issue is understood as a SOVEREINTY dispute between TWO parties (the islanders are part of the Britih party) given its PARTICULAR and SPECIAL COLONIAL situation. This needs to be resolved via negotiations between the two parties in question. No mention to wishes of the islanders, nevermind selfdetermination.

So yea, the UN Charter mentions self-determination to all people, clearly. But the UN Charter was not written particularly about the Malvinas question. There are multiple resolutions that did face the Malvinas question in particular. No single one of them mentions wishes, nevermind selfdetermination.

Should the sovereignty dispute be solved by islanders?
The UN understands it´s not.

The UK is simply lying.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMJJ6HNCfks
101 Think (#) Oct 29th, 2012 - 09:44 pm Report abuse
(86) Monty96 & (94) Islander1

Please, inform yourselves….. Cmdr McDod is right......

Here, in a short and concise form, what the British Crown has informed the EU about their ruling and control of the Falkland/Malvinas Dependency…:

1) ”The UK remains responsible for: “Foreign Affairs”, “Defence”, “Internal Security”, “The Public Service” AND “The Offshore Financial Sector”.

2) “The new Constitution ….. formalizes the system of self-government on the South Atlantic Archipelago while GIVING BRITAIN THE FINAL SAY on “Foreign Policy”, “Policing” and “The Administration of Justice”.

3) ”The new constitution…. makes clear Council Members are responsible for most domestic policies, but the Governor retains veto power that can be exercised “in the interests of good governance.”
ec.europa.eu/europeaid/where/octs_and_greenland/countries/falkland-islands_en.htm

In short……, you may decide about who’s going into your ”Black List” or about the size of your drunken driving ticket fees or………………………………… well not much more, I reckon.
102 Doveoverdover (#) Oct 29th, 2012 - 10:38 pm Report abuse
@94 “So sorry - but we are NOT a Colony - we are a self governing British Overseas Territory - and the only thing that prevents us moving to full Independence is a thing called Argentina - Yes! - you are forcing us to stay dependent on UK for Defence - or in your own words -YOU are forcing us to stay a Colony!”

Well, is it or isn't it?
103 Zhivago (#) Oct 29th, 2012 - 10:54 pm Report abuse
100
Malvinistas are irrelevant.
104 Islas Malvinas (#) Oct 29th, 2012 - 11:19 pm Report abuse
@ 99 Pete Bog

Let me answer your question so tonight you can go to sleep satisfied:

“There is no UN paperwork expressly saying that there is no self-determination for the Falkland Islands.” Happy?

Now... there`s absolutly no UN paperwork particularly regarding the Malvinas / Falkland question mentioning self-determination either. So, in the best scenario for British imperialism, we could say the UN does not take a position on whether the principle of self-determination is appliable to Malvinas. However, given the fact that the UN has treated this question in multiple ocasions and never ever mentioned the posibility of even taking into account the wishes of the islanders, why would you think this principle applies to the British population in the disputed islands?

Now can you answer this question: If the UN considered the selfdetermination principle is applicable to the Malvinas question, why didn`t it mention that fact in any of its paperwork?

PS: You don`t have to hurry to responde. Don`t worry, I can go to sleep full of satisfaction. I know what the answer is.
105 ProRG_American (#) Oct 29th, 2012 - 11:51 pm Report abuse
Oh geee! The FIC is holding another caravan for all the penguins to see. Look at them, a parade of fools.
106 Pete Bog (#) Oct 29th, 2012 - 11:58 pm Report abuse
@104
Islas.
Take this extract from res 2065 (you can quote other bits if you think I am being too selective).

”1. Invites the Governments of Argentina and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland to proceed without delay with the negotiations recommended by the Special Committee on the Situation with regard to the Implementation of the Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples with a view to finding a peaceful solution to the problem, bearing in mind the provisions and objectives of the Charter of the United Nations and of General Assembly resolution 1514 (XV) and the interests of the population of the Falkland Islands (Malvinas); ”

One of the major parts of this passage (and I will re-quote for your benefit) states;
“with regard to the implementation of the granting of Independence to colonial countries and peoples.”
Argentina has no regard to the Falkland Islands becoming Independent. I fail to see how the UK is against this resolution as the UK have told the islanders that they can have independence, if they wish.

If Independence is not an option for the Falkland Islands, why does the UN include it in this resolution? ie why not omit it?

It also quite clearly states in this resolution, ”bearing in mind the provisions and objectives of the Charter of the United Nations and of General Resolution 1514(XV).“
Please explain Islas, that if self-determination is not included in the options to resolve the problem set out in the resolution, then why did the UN not omit reference to the UN Charter which includes self-determination? It states clearly the' provisions' and' objectives' of the UN Charter-ie ALL OF THEM-in the plural, NOT the singular.

It ends up ”(bearing in mind) the interests of the population of the Falkland Islands.”
Argentina cares Jack shit about the islanders interests but, if not, you are free to reply, exactly, specifically, WHAT interests of the Islanders do the Argentines bear in mind?
107 Islas Malvinas (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 01:08 am Report abuse
@106 Pete Bog

Independence? Though we were debating about self determination... Did I win?

“Argentina has no regard to the Falkland Islands becoming Independent”
Certainly she does not since the islands are an integral part of its territory.

“How the UK is against this resolution?”: Simply by ignoring its invitation to proceed negotiations with a view to finding a peaceful solution to the problem.

“Why does the UN include independence in this resolution?” Awwhhh... I`m not the best person to teach a native English speaker about Enlgish syntax, but let me invite you to take close look at the resolution again. You`ll notive it is NOT including independence on it. Its referring to THE REPORTS of the of the Special Committee on bla bla bla... and THE NEGOTIATIONS RECOMENDED by the Special Committee on bla bla bla. Independence is only part of the name of the Committee that created those reports and recommended negotiations.
I`m more that anxious for you to show me when exactly those reports mentioned independence for Malvinas (if they ever did).

“Why did the UN not omit reference to the UN Charter which includes self-determination?”. It simply can`t move against its principles. This can bring us back to the unanswered question: if the UN understands self determination is applicable to the islanders, why doesn`t it just say the islanders are “the masters of their future” and asks the UK to negotiate with Argentina instead?
Besides, the UN Charter mentions: “All Members shall refrain from the use of force against the territorial integrity of any state” (Remember 1833?) Resolution 1514 also mentions: “Any attempt aimed at the partial or total disruption of the territorial integrity of a country is incompatible with the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations.”

“WHAT interests of the Islanders do the Argentines bear in mind”: Argentine Constitution: “respecting the way of life of its inhabitants under the principles of international law”.
108 Islander1 (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 01:47 am Report abuse
102- Dover- no - read my words there - we are not - I was referring to what you claim we are - and thus force us to remain as. In a Crown Colony the Governor presides over |executive Council which includes non elected members he has chosen and all including him have a vote.
That is indeed also how it used to be here.
Today as a self governing BOT - the Governor has NO vote in the executive cabinet and the only votes are those of the lected members who sit on it.
Think - you know as well as I that those are executive powers only likley to be exercised should the local authorities/members start acting in a corrupt manner or other manner detrimental to the well being of the population. I think you will find that even the Governor General of Australia can intevene in the Government there if they suddenly started fiddling the books etc to the clear detriment of the Aust people! Now are you going to say that Australia is a colony!!!!!!!!!!!!?

Lets face reality - over the last 6 months cracks have started to appear in what Arg claimed as it,s “solid” backing and support etc. CFK seesm to end up walking out of meetings early in a huff because it did not go her way etc.
International Investors from OUTSIDE the UK are now coming involved with the potential offshore Hydrocarbons.- despite all the dire threats of CFK an d
Twitman.
109 Think (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 08:44 am Report abuse
(108) Islander1

Lets face reality……., you say.......

Well............... Most of the “info” you seem to provide is just “wishful thinking” not backed up by “reality” at all......

Just look at what you write in your comment (94)...:
“The Bank here would be quite entitled to set a Falkland Islands Base Rate!”.....
Or...:
“We could have the Falkland Dollar or whatever if we wanted to.”

Well…..That’s not true…
As I already have wrote at (101)…:
”Here, in a short and concise form, what the British Crown has informed the EU about their ruling and control of the Falkland/Malvinas Dependency…:
1) ”The UK remains responsible for: “Foreign Affairs”, “Defence”, “Internal Security”, “The Public Service” AND THE OFFSHORE FINANCE SECTOR”.
ec.europa.eu/europeaid/where/octs_and_greenland/countries/falkland-islands_en.htm

You need another source?... What about your own colonial ”Constitution”:
2) The Constitution requires the governor of the Islands to seek the approval of a [British] secretary of state before assenting to any bill that affects “the currency of the Falkland Islands or relating to the issue of banknotes” or any bill that establishes “any banking association or altering the constitution, rights or duties of any such association”.[11] These restrictions effectively give the British Government the ability to prevent the island's government from declaring the islands to be a tax haven or from establishing a central bank.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_the_Falkland_Islands

Dear Squatter, if you need to know anything else about the “Reality” of your “Colony”, just ask……
Yours
El Think
110 HansNiesund (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 10:16 am Report abuse
@107

Of all the logical absurdities affecting the Argentine claim to the Falklands, it is perhaps this notion that the inhabitants of the islands are to be denied their rights under the UN Charter in the name of decolonization that is the most surreal.

There is no UN resolution that states this, and there is no UN resolution that validates Argetina's argument. The only UN resolution which ever unequivocally took sides in this dispute was the binding resolution go 1982 telling you to get your troops out, which you ignored.

What the UN resolutions do say is that “a peaceful solution to the problem” should be negotiated. The UN recommending a Peaceful,, negotiated solution is like the Mothers Union recommending motherhood. There is nothing there which supports Argentina's claim to dictate both the conduct and the outcome of the supposed “negotiations”.

In fact, if you had any sense at all, and any real interest in a peaceful, negotiated solution, you would accept the offer to start talks on confidence building measures such as fisheries, flights, hydrocarbons, and leave sovereignty aside until such a time as that issue could even be countenanced, considering your 1982 debacle. But the fact that you'd rather indulge in belligerent willy-waving which only damages your own case just shows what an HIPC* you continue to be.

(* Hopelessly Inept Political Culture)
111 Raul (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 02:28 pm Report abuse
107 Falkland Islands
Excellent response to 106 Pete bog. Pete Bog forgot about that:
”Considering that its resolution 1514 (XV) of 14 December 1960, was inspired by the cherished aim of ending colonialism everywhere and in all its forms, in one of which fits the case of the Malvinas Islands (Falkland Islands).
We all know that we speak of English colonialism and imperialism. On the one hand in resolution 2065 the term “colonization” hacea reference to a rather restricted use, which was meant to a country having “colonized” to a territory which mostly did not accept such domination. That was the main criterion for the 50 and 60 through which many British, French and Portuguese gained independence. The issue is that unfortunately the issue can not be treated as a “decolonization” outright theft but as a Hong Kong-style through which in this case was recognized as an “unequal treaty”. The specificity of the Malvinas is that the United Kingdom occupied the islands by force in 1833, expelled the original population and did not allow their return, thus violating the territorial integrity of Argentina. The dispute centers of the usurpation of 1833 as expressed every year, committee resolutions UN decolonization.

This Resolution 2065 is the way to achieve understanding between the people of Argentina and Great Britain, in the sovereignty dispute currently exists only through the resolution may face the path of understanding, cooperation and further development among peoples, a spirit of justice, that any country that claims freedom loving, and also act accordingly.
Any refusal to accept the resolution, shows a total lack of respect between peoples and struggle for peace, which the word is used a lot, but that little practice.
No country should be above others as to comply with the resolutions of the General Assembly of the United Nations, and those who act for any reason so wielding, do not act in a spirit of justice.
IMPORTANT IT IS NOT WHAT THEY SAY, BUT WHAT MAKES
112 HansNiesund (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 03:12 pm Report abuse
@111

Thanks for the confirmation that the UN decolonization process is not appropriate to the Falklands case. That should save some bandwidth at last.

What is more, your charge of outright theft should be easy to resolve. All you Ned to do is provide proof that Argentina held legal title to the islands in 1833, that a civilian population was indeed expelled and forbidden to return. Any competent historian should be able to unearth documentary evidence.

Of course, if you can't, your case fails,
113 Islas Malvinas (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 03:27 pm Report abuse
@112 HansNiesund

So... what you are saying is that Argentina has not provided any proof about her legal rights over the islands and the historical facts regarding the expulsion of its population by British pirats and that, without prooves, the UN Special Committee on colonial matters still decided to invite the UK to sit down and negotiate with Argentina the peacefull settlement of the sovereignty dispute, by the way with making no reference whatsoever to the pretended self determination of the islanders?

Is that what you are saying?
That the UN commitee specialized on dealing with these matters has asked the UK to negoriate with Argentina knowing that Argentina has failed to proove anything?

Mate, if that´s what you think... then you believe in British fairy tails.

¬¬
114 Raul (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 03:38 pm Report abuse
112 HansNiesund

Thanks for the confirmation that the decolonization process of the UN is not appropriate for the case of the Falklands. This should save some bandwidth per order.

“There are none so blind who will not see.” “There are none so deaf that will not hear.”
Quite the contrary. The committee of United Nations Decolonization is the appropriate forum to resolve the sovereignty dispute exists. On 14 June 2012 Cristina Fernández de Kirchner was presented to the decolonization, as president of the Argentine for talks with David Cameron to resolve the conflict peacefully. David Cameron did not attend. UK fails to comply with international law to comply with UN resolutions. Argentina commitment to dialogue. Unfortunately UK colonialism and imperialism bet century 21.
115 Doveoverdover (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 04:40 pm Report abuse
@144 Raul. I feel your pain.

The C24 recognised and still does that Argentina is in dispute with the UK over the islands. This cannot be denied. Equally though, at the time it was first discussed until now, it has asserted that only negotiation would bring about a peaceful solution. They have never chosen to recommend arbitration or litigation for some reason, which suggests they don't agree with you that either side is currently in breach of any international law regarding it's claim.

UN GA resolutions may, if your lucky, have moral force but they are essentially political not legal tools. Some of the stuff they resolve to support works its way into international law eventually but it takes more than a majority vote in the GA to achieve that. We are, after all, not living in world democracy.

I include the following UN summary as an authoritative text on which my comments are based.
”The Special Committee confirmed
that the provisions of the Declaration on decolonization
applied to the Falkland Islands (Malvinas); noted the
existence of a dispute between the Governments of the
United Kingdom and of Argentina concerning
sovereignty over the islands; and invited those Governments
to enter into negotiations with a view to finding
a peaceful solution, bearing in mind the provisions and
objectives of the United Nations Charter and of the
Declaration, the interests of the population and the
opinions expressed during the debate”.

Pretty non-judgmental with regard to legality and outcome, I think you'd agree. As it is, our island friends would have us believe that neither UK nor Argentina is now sovereign and therefore the dispute between them is an historical irrelevancy. The Falkland Islands since 2008 has presumably become whatever Jersey and the Isle of Man are. The only challenge is to get the rest of the world to agree. Referendum anyone?

www.state.gov/s/inr/rls/10543.htm#note5
116 HansNiesund (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 05:19 pm Report abuse
@113, @114

And there we have it. The idea that the UN is a court of law which has found in favour of Argentina is just another Malvinsta fantasy. Nonetheless, the UK, in typically gentlemanly fashion, has preferred the possibility of talks with the responsible authorities. Argentina having spurned this offer, the UKs obligations may be considered discharged.
117 Islas Malvinas (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 06:36 pm Report abuse
Hans: Argentina has no legal titles to the islands.

Islas: Why would the UN invite the UK to negotiate with Argentina if Argentina has no legal titles?

Hans: UN is not a court of law. (?)

I like Britons change the subject when they´re proved to be wrong.
118 HansNiesund (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 06:50 pm Report abuse
@117

As DoveOverDover pointed out in some detail, the UN has simply noted the existence of a dispute and invited the UK and Argentina to negotiate a peaceful end to it. This is what the UN does. Indeed, it would be truly remarkable if the UN proposed anything else. The UN has quite conspicuously NOT pronounced on the validity of the Argentine case.

If that's what you're after, it's the ICJ you should be appealing to, not the C24 or the GA. But, especially in the admitted absence of legal title, you will have to come up with some evidence to back up your contention of usurpation, expulsion, etc, etc. You've had 180 years to produce something already, so it's not before time.
119 Islas Malvinas (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 06:59 pm Report abuse
Hans: Argentina has no legal titles to the islands.

Islas: Why would the UN invite the UK to negotiate with Argentina if Argentina has no legal titles?

Hans: UN is not a court of law. (?)

Islas: Why don´t you focus?

Hans: The UN does not say the islands are argentine.

Islas: Sure it does not say that. But it recognizes the sovereignty dispute. Why would the UN invite the UK to negotiate with Argentina it considered Argentina has no legal titles to claim sovereignty?
120 HansNiesund (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 07:05 pm Report abuse
@119

How many times do you need to be told the same thing before it penetrates?
121 Doveoverdover (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 07:05 pm Report abuse
@117 Can I offer a simple explanation as to why the GA of the UN resolved that there should be a negotiation? Because the UN recognised that two of it's members had a dispute over the ownership of an archipelago in the South Atlantic. One was a nuclear power with a residual global reach and the other was not but was prone to militarism. Rather than these two resorting to violence they were encouraged to negotiate peacefully. Just one problem. Both had no doubts about their sovereignty but that's another story.

Now, it's fair to say that not all nations saw it that way and many did support Argentina for a a variety of reasons but to get a majority there had to be buy in from those that were not supportive of replacing a British with an Argentinian colony. That's why the final text is a fudge that can be read a number of ways. Such is international relations.
122 briton (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 07:20 pm Report abuse
100 Islas Malvinas
By, SOVEREINTY “I guess you meant sovereignty
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Works both ways,

But let be fair here,
What you and other Argies are really saying, [ indoctrinated as you are ]
1, there is no British Falklands
2, they have no rights to rule them selves
3, they have no human rights full stop,
4 no entitlement to self determination,
5, they were argentine,
6, they are argentine,
7 they always will be argentine,
8, no other answer no matter how legal it is, the argentine Falklands belong to you.
In a nut shell this is what you are all saying,
No talky , no negotiations , no sovereignty dispute,
No argument,
Its either the Falklands accept argentine dictatorship or they can rot in hell.
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
This is what you all want,, is it not,

.
123 Islas Malvinas (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 08:34 pm Report abuse
@121 Doveoverdover
Thank you for recognizing the UN recognizes there´s a sovereingty dispute and that therefore Argentina has something to claim.
You´ve moved far beyond your government has. Congratulations!

@ 122 briton
“Sovereinty” is much closer to “sovereignty” than “except” is to “accept”. And keeping in mind you´re the native English speaker - and not me - I have won the spelling contest.

1, there is no British Falklands. Correct.
2, they have no rights to rule themselves. Partialy correct. They have no right to decide on the sovereignty dispute.
3, they have no human rights full stop, Wrong. They have all human rights.
4 no entitlement to self determination, 100% correct.
5, they were argentine, right
6, they are argentine, you got it.
7 they always will be argentine, yes.
8, no other answer no matter how legal it is, the argentine Falklands belong to you. The problem is that we find nolegal answer that would let us conclude the islands are British.

Its either the Falklands accept argentine dictatorship?
What dictatorship? The US and its western allies have not supported dictatorships in Latinamerica for long now...
124 briton (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 08:43 pm Report abuse
thanks for the reply
now we know what you think,
can we say,

its a shame you will never get them.
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

but just as the british falklands will never be yours,

your dictatorship will fall long before .
125 Doveoverdover (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 08:51 pm Report abuse
@123 Thank you for your response. Sadly you make an elementary mistake in congratulating me which I am happy to correct. There is a sovereignty dispute because Argentina has made a claim which the UK rejects, simple as that. I think you'll find this is the UK's position as well as mine. One step forward, one step back.
126 briton (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 08:57 pm Report abuse
The only way, they will ever get them, is to fight for them.

But they tried this and lost,
So now they resort to talking, and telling abhorrent lies,

They think this will win the day,

But will never ever understand what freedom is,
that’s why they will never get them.
Fools that follow fools end up looking like fools.

Still,

They can talk for the world, can they not..
127 HansNiesund (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 09:32 pm Report abuse
@123

The UN recognizes there is a dispute. This doesn't take much imagination, since there are gravestones aplenty to bear witness to it.

But recognizing the existence of a dispute is not t.he same as recognizing the validity of a dispute. In this respect, Argentina has yet to support its claim with either evidence, truth, or logic.
128 dab14763 (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 09:51 pm Report abuse
Islas,

The UNGa has neither decided Argentina has legal title nor has it decided that it hasn't, for the simple reason that the the UNGA does not have the power to make that decision. If it did have the power to decide sovereignty, it would have done so for all the other territorial disputes in existence since it was created.

And the UNGA has never declared the Falklands are a 'special and particular' case. That phrase is in post 1988 D Col resolutions, not in UNGA resolutions. The UNGA hasn't issued any resolutions on the Falklands since 1988.
129 Doveoverdover (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 10:21 pm Report abuse
@128 Easy on the suggestion that the UN GA has gone soft on the FI/M issue since 1988. ”All C24 resolutions on UK OTs reach the UNGA, except that on the Falklands (a position agreed by the UK and Argentina since the resumption of bilateral relations in 1989/90).”

Quote from an FCO document that can be found at:

www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201012/cmselect/cmfaff/writev/overseas/ot11.htm
130 XAVIERV (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 10:34 pm Report abuse
I'm going to say what will happen in 2013, ran out of contact with the mainland. Goodbye flights, if they want to leave their island go to Africa!
131 Doveoverdover (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 11:13 pm Report abuse
@130 Or fly to Europe even, just like they can now. Of course, that will be a bit of a problem for the Chileans on the islands, not to mention those Argentinians wanting to visit the War Cemetery but I'm sure they'll see that it's all for the greater good.
132 briton (#) Oct 31st, 2012 - 12:24 am Report abuse
130 just like ilas,

You think by threatening and wiggling your tongue,
You are scaring us.
oooohhhh
Laurel and hardy not
133 Islander1 (#) Oct 31st, 2012 - 01:36 am Report abuse
Think- ALL bills and laws made by the elected Govts of Australia- New Zealand- Canada - have to go the their appropriate Governor-General,s before they become law in those nations.
Are you going to say that those 3 are not Independent nations?

Do please tell me - when- has the UK Crown ever refused to assent to a law presented for approval by the falkland islands legislature?

FACT - the Falkland Islands are OUTSIDE the UK Sterling Currency Area.

You take a Falklands note to UK and try and spend it on the High Street!!

FACT - Sterling is classed by the bank here as a “foreign currency” - we have to pay 0.5% commission to purchase Sterling notes exactly the same as for US notes or Euros or Aus Dollars etc.
But at least we can buy as many dollars as we want and whenever we want - and at the official rate!
But- El Think will say - your shops accept sterling - yes they do - bloody silly if they dont - it saves folks having to pay the 0.55 when they want some sterling notes to go to Uk with! same as they accept dollar and euros. Suspect even Arg shops accept US dollars as well!!

You can live in your fantasy world dreaming of the Islands under the yoke of the Br Imperialist as you wish - after all many of your nations soldiers thought that when they arrived here April 2nd 1982!

We are quite happy in - and further developing - our real world of as much independence, freeedom and self-rule as we wish.
134 Doveoverdover (#) Oct 31st, 2012 - 07:58 am Report abuse
@133 You have to admire Standard Chartered for using imaginative ways to get you to pay for the services they provide you.

I don't know what Think thinks but I think you are confused. The Governors General of Australia and Canada are, respectively, Australian and Canadian statesmen/women. Our Governor is a British Civil Servant. They don't hold executive power; ours does. Can you be surprised that assent is never refused under this arrangement? When was there last a vote in Exco on any matter of real substance?

Local democracy is good and we all like a bit of freedom to be different, but just try something really radical and you'll find out just how independent you really are. The yoke is fitted so lightly you don't even seem to know you're fastened to the cart. Now get those oil revenues flowing, the metropolis needs those contracts being placed with British companies.
135 Think (#) Oct 31st, 2012 - 08:44 am Report abuse
(134) Cmdr. McDod

Thanks for putting that uppity colonial subject: Mr. Islander1 in place with your superior understanding of how totally different the Commonwealth and the British Overseas Territories Systems are in practice......

( Luuuuv the bit about the (British) Standard Chartered Bank plucking them Squatters for 0.5% of their Easy Made Squid Money for exchanging Pounds into....... Pounds ;-)))
136 Islander1 (#) Oct 31st, 2012 - 09:18 am Report abuse
134- Those Gov.Generals sign laws off in the name of The head of State - The Queen the same person in whose name Falklands laws are signed off.

As for bank Commission on currencies- try going into any high street bank in UK and expecting a cuureny free of handling fees!
Sorry Think - dream on old boy, you will still be puddling about muttering about us in 20- 30-40-50 years or more!
137 Doveoverdover (#) Oct 31st, 2012 - 09:44 am Report abuse
@135 Sadly, it appears I have failed again (see @136). Apparently, Australia and Canada have HM as their Head of State so that makes the FI equally independent even though it's not a State (but it could be if it wanted to be). At least I think that's what he thinks.
138 Pete Bog (#) Oct 31st, 2012 - 10:21 am Report abuse
@111
“The specificity of the Malvinas is that the United Kingdom occupied the islands by force in 1833, expelled the original population and did not allow their return, thus violating the territorial integrity of Argentina.”

This as you know is untrue, most of the civilian population including the majority from what is now (but was not then) Argentina were allowed to stay. Only the military garrison were expelled.
You can peddle this myth for ever but this will trip up Argentina if the case is ever taken to the ICJ.
139 Think (#) Oct 31st, 2012 - 10:23 am Report abuse
(136) Islander1
You say:
“....you will still be puddling about muttering about us in 20- 30-40-50 years or more”
I say:
“40-50 years or more” ....Wooooow.... Thanks for the good wishes:-)

(137) Cmdr. Mc Dod
Well.......
What can be expected…….
Islander1, is a true Kelper product of the School Curriculum institutionalized in Malvinas since the late XIX Century ..
140 Benson (#) Oct 31st, 2012 - 03:44 pm Report abuse
Of course they recognise there is a dispute Just like if I went to the law saying that my neighbour had knicked some of my land by moving his fence, I might be talking crap but they would acknowledge there was a dispute.
141 Bonita (#) Oct 31st, 2012 - 04:30 pm Report abuse
who wants such isolated poor islands?
3,ooo retards!
lol
142 Monty69 (#) Oct 31st, 2012 - 06:35 pm Report abuse
134 Doveoverdover
I just had a look at the public Exco papers (bearing in mind that the most meaty ones probably aren't released), and I'm failing to see your point. You might not consider child protection, immigration, taxation, higher education funding etc as being of 'any real substance', but it occurs to me that you might not be in any position to judge what's important.
We've been pretty radical in many areas for many years. Why don't you propose having unregulated roads in the UK and see how far you get? Or abolishing the the higher rates of taxation, or scrapping import duty? Get rid of VAT while you're at it. And provide free higher education for all, and free dental care and prescriptions.
143 Think (#) Oct 31st, 2012 - 07:27 pm Report abuse
(134) Cmdr. McDod

And, whilst you do all those things Kelper Monty96 suggest you to do.....please remember to sign that British Check of some 200,000,000£ to pay for the yearly costs of defence of their lower taxation, zero import duties on booze and perfumes, no VAT, free high education for all, free dental care and prescriptions, free shares on RKH, BOR & FOGL etc.. etc.. etc...

No need for you to come down here with the check... just send it with the Royal Mail....

Thanks in advance
Kelper & Co.
144 Monty69 (#) Oct 31st, 2012 - 07:54 pm Report abuse
143 Think
Are you sure you aren't the same person? You wrote almost exactly what I was expecting your other half to write.

And are you saying that Britain really needs to spend all that money? And to defend us from what? I thought all that invasion stuff wasn't you at all, but a big boy that ran away.

And who are the British going to write that check for? Themselves? Where are you suggesting they send it?

Don't get me wrong. I'm very happy that Britain defends us. I just disagree with the amount of grovelling you and your little pal think we should be doing for it. We are not responsible for Argentina's attitude towards us, and we aren't responsible for anything Britain decides to do in response to that.
And I don't think our standard of living is relevant in any way. We contribute at least as much to our defence as we would if we lived in the UK. What we do with the rest of our income is our concern. Or at least it is now, unlike all those years when it was all sent back to absentee landlords in the UK.
145 Islander1 (#) Oct 31st, 2012 - 08:24 pm Report abuse
Think - although born here for many generations I was lucky enough do do high school and college in UK - so am not 19th cent institutionalised - unlike so many Argentines in their warped version of history.
Oh also an early remard of overDover - FI Govt nor UK Govt will decide where the Oil Companues order all their kit from - we live in a free society and it,s their decision- so long as it all meets European North Sea Safety Standards. UK companies will logically order most from UK - =US and French - if they get to that stage - who knows who they may choose as suppliers.
Sums wrong my old friend as well - Defence is cerca £100million a year - all the rest you list are paid for by FI Govt.
146 Joe Bloggs (#) Oct 31st, 2012 - 08:30 pm Report abuse
145 Islander1

Don't worry about Think and Dove. Being on Mercopress as much as he is, he is depriving a village somewhere of an idiot.
147 Think (#) Oct 31st, 2012 - 09:03 pm Report abuse
Geeeeee......
A pity I dont have time to respond to you, Kelpers.....
Fishing season starts tomorrow in Neuquen and the gear MUST be readied....
Will be checking on the turnip patch regularly though...
The pesty kids insist I take the Note II with me...
They don't want their Ol' man incommunicado...

Servus Humillimus, Domines Spectabilis
148 briton (#) Oct 31st, 2012 - 09:26 pm Report abuse
boys boys,
One is trying to split you,
And one may well succeed if in fighting starts,

You don’t have to explain to Argentina what you do, or where you do it,

Don’t play up to them.
They are merely throwing mud to the wind, and see if it sticks....
149 Joe Bloggs (#) Oct 31st, 2012 - 10:23 pm Report abuse
148 briton

Don't worry about us. These Malvinista deadbeats couldn't split a banana.
150 Islander1 (#) Oct 31st, 2012 - 10:46 pm Report abuse
Happy Fishing Think! Rainbow or Brown Trout or a local speciality type?
I Dont begrudge anyone a few days on the bank!

135 - quite right- we also could be an Independent State - if we so wished, UK has made that very clear to us all along. One day in future we may well be so -but there is a problem at the moment that would prevent it - you know who.
151 Doveoverdover (#) Oct 31st, 2012 - 10:55 pm Report abuse
@149 .... and how exactly am I a Malvinista? I have no doubt that the Falkland Islands belong to Britain.
152 Zhivago (#) Nov 01st, 2012 - 01:37 am Report abuse
141 Sussie US
Haven't you got some pots to scrub?
153 WestisBest (#) Nov 01st, 2012 - 09:22 am Report abuse
@151

...and many Argentinians have no doubt that the Falklands belong to Argentina, sure you're not a Malvinista but you're still a relic from another age just as they are. You just keep indulging yourself with your delusions of the empire if it gives you comfort.
154 Think (#) Nov 01st, 2012 - 10:41 am Report abuse
(151) Cmdr. McDod
Cc: (153) WestisBest

As my good foe“ Kelper WestisBest” from Fox Bay correctly says....:
“You're still a relic from another age just as they are.”
You just keep indulging yourself with your delusions of the empire if it gives you comfort.“

I say:
Precisely...... You are a ”Relic” of the British Imperial Age.........

- As the British Overseas Territory of South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands is......

- As the British Antarctic Territory is.....

- As the British Overseas Territory of The Falkland/Malvinas Islands is.....

Now I'm really gone flyfishing....
Take care out there...
It' a jungle...
Living in half an hour......
155 Isolde (#) Nov 01st, 2012 - 11:50 am Report abuse
@154 Think,
So? And what business is it of yours, Squatter?
156 the brits are stupid (#) Nov 01st, 2012 - 06:26 pm Report abuse
@155 Isolde
shut up miedosa y asquerosa
157 briton (#) Nov 01st, 2012 - 08:46 pm Report abuse
Susie, you change your username more often than a wet child with a shitty nappy.

Grow up, sod of, and take your smelly crude uneducated immigrant backside elsewhere,

Twit.

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158 Domingo (#) Nov 01st, 2012 - 10:24 pm Report abuse
Yes or no. Easy.

What anyone else without a vote thinks does not matter a tinkers cuss.
159 Simon68 (#) Nov 02nd, 2012 - 02:10 pm Report abuse
Think:

I'm sure the fishing is better in Neuquén than in Chubut, but why come here when you have good fly water nearer your “shed”???????
160 Pete Bog (#) Nov 02nd, 2012 - 10:06 pm Report abuse
@157
That's because she is a closet Pamper pilot.
161 briton (#) Nov 03rd, 2012 - 12:26 am Report abuse
very true pete.
162 British_Kirchnerist (#) Nov 04th, 2012 - 02:44 am Report abuse
Surprised anyone from Costa Rica, so proud to have no armed forces at all, would be impressed with the Falklands and its rather unique soldier to civilian ratio...

#10&14 Great clips, that really takes me back =) Of course it was the bankers who were called “masters of the universe” before the crash...

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