Monday, October 29th 2012 - 14:16 UTC

Mercosur and EU committed to continue advancing in trade and political talks

The Brazilian Foreign ministry revealed in a brief release that during October discussions between Mercosur and the European Union representatives both sides “confirmed their commitment to advance negotiations to achieve a wide ranging, balanced and ambitious agreement”.

Next chance for Mercosur/EU talks in Santiago

In the framework of the XXV Bi-regional Negotiations Committee, delegates from the European Union and Mercosur met in Brasília from 22 to 26 October 2012 for a round of negotiations on the future Association Agreement between Mercosur and the EU.

Both sides reaffirmed their commitment to move negotiations forward to reach a comprehensive, balanced and ambitious Association Agreement. Negotiations were held in the Political, Trade and Cooperation Pillars of the future Agreement.

With regard to the Political and Cooperation Pillars, the extensive discussion that took place allowed for progress in a number of articles and a better understanding of each party’s positions. Parties were able to find common basis for future discussions.

With regard to the Trade Pillar, several Working Groups met and continued their work, clarifying positions and presenting new proposals. Progress continued to be registered in several Working Groups, in particular Services and Establishment, Services and Investments, Customs, Trade Facilitation and related matters, and Government Procurement. A constructive discussion on Trade and Sustainable Development was held at Chief Negotiators’ level, leading to a greater understanding of respective positions.

Chief Negotiators agreed that the Mercosur-EU Ministerial Meeting, to be held in parallel with the CELAC-EU Summit in Santiago, Chile, in January 2013, could provide an important opportunity for guidance on the next steps of the negotiations.
In related news it was announced that Japan will hold its first dialogue with Mercosur in Brazil this week in a bid to boost economic ties with the five-nation South American trade bloc.

The Japanese Foreign Ministry said dialogue, to be held Thursday, was proposed in June 2011 by then-Foreign Minister Takeaki Matsumoto in hopes of exploring the possibility of setting up a free-trade agreement with Mercosur.

The Japanese delegation will be headed by Akira Yamada of the ministry's Latin American and Caribbean Affairs Bureau, and include members of the Foreign, agriculture and trade ministries as well.

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1 brucey-babe (#) Oct 29th, 2012 - 02:26 pm Report abuse
Err, how`s Argentina`s credit rating ?
2 Guzz (#) Oct 29th, 2012 - 02:26 pm Report abuse
I though Venezuela would scare off the world and leave Mercosur on the brink of the abyss...
3 CJvR (#) Oct 29th, 2012 - 02:39 pm Report abuse

It looks as if Venezuela have annexed most of Guyana on the Imperial Merco-map.
4 Tinx (#) Oct 29th, 2012 - 02:40 pm Report abuse
Each country in has different trade balances with EU

very very thorny process !
5 ElaineB (#) Oct 29th, 2012 - 02:51 pm Report abuse
Talking is better than not talking. Agreement is the problem.
6 Tinx (#) Oct 29th, 2012 - 02:59 pm Report abuse
Conclusions are important not ongoing talkings.
7 redpoll (#) Oct 29th, 2012 - 03:18 pm Report abuse
@3 Isnt Guyana an independent country who “threw of the shackles of British imperialism” many years ago? So why is Venezuela claiming half thier country? Imperialismo boliviano a la Chavez?
8 LEPRecon (#) Oct 29th, 2012 - 03:23 pm Report abuse
@3 and @7

It looks like Chavez is planning on annexing Guyana, perhaps the Guyanan's should ask the British to set up a military base there to keep the Venezulans out. :)
9 Think (#) Oct 29th, 2012 - 03:30 pm Report abuse
(7) redpoll

”Imperialismo boliv(ar)iano”
Burro ignorante :-)
0 en Geografía...
0 en Historia...
10 Guzz (#) Oct 29th, 2012 - 03:30 pm Report abuse
3, 7 & 8
Remember your posts next time you talk about being off-topic...
11 LEPRecon (#) Oct 29th, 2012 - 03:41 pm Report abuse
@7 redpoll

Well Venezula does claim land in Guyana. This goes back to the 19th century and a dispute between the British Empire and Venezula, and was the subject of an international arbitration in 1899, which found in favour of the British Empire.

Both the British Empire and Venezula accepted the results of that arbitration in 1905 signed a treaty and the matter was settled.

That is until Guyana became independent in 1966, when Venezula suddenly decided that it wanted the land it previously accepted as being Guyanan. Strange that, isn't it?

I honestly wouldn't put it past Chavez to try a land grab at some point. However, Guyana is a member of the Commonwealth, so would have the support of all 50 odd members, including the UK, Canada, Australia, South Africa, India, Pakistan etc. who could all send troops, ships and planes to remove any illegal Venezulan presence, whilst at the same time calling upon the UNSC to put sanctions against Venezula for its aggressive act.

In fact, many Venezulan maps show this Guyanan territory as Venezulan which is probably why the Mercosur map is the way it is. This is apparently what they think: “If we tell everyone often enough its our territory and draw maps that show its our territory then surely it must be our territory, despite the fact that we signed a treaty to the effect that it wasn't our territory.” (sound familiar?)

However, the real world doesn't work like that.
12 Britworker (#) Oct 29th, 2012 - 03:44 pm Report abuse
I think 'agreements' are good so long as you dealing with rational adults that can stick to them. Lets face it, they are like rocking horse shit in South America.
13 Huntsman Extraordinaire (#) Oct 29th, 2012 - 03:51 pm Report abuse
I guess that means someone will have to start letting British and Falkland ensigns back in if they really want some results!
14 Mikarita Yatemata (#) Oct 29th, 2012 - 03:56 pm Report abuse

Fuck you brits with your “agreements” that “settle things”. If that's the case, why are you talking about leaving the EU? You signed a treaty to belong to it, it's settled.

Retarded hypocrites.!
15 Huntsman Extraordinaire (#) Oct 29th, 2012 - 04:03 pm Report abuse
@14 The EU isn't a settlement agreement. You're comparing the incomparable.

It is a trade union, a union our govenment said we wanted to stay in as long as it stayed a trade union when they first joined. It is now rapidly becoming a political union run by Germans - who lets face it do not have the greatest track record and considering we had to fight them off twice to make sure the world wasn't brought under their yoke. Something us Brits would do anything not to be under.
16 Mikarita Yatemata (#) Oct 29th, 2012 - 04:06 pm Report abuse
Takeaki Matsumoto, do not sign free trade, our country can't do this!


Oh yes? yet you talk about retaking Hong Kong. Didn't you “settle” that one? So why are you discussing retaking it (beside the fact if you tried China would crush you).
17 Guzz (#) Oct 29th, 2012 - 04:07 pm Report abuse
Out of curiousity, in what way does US boots taste better than German ones?
18 Huntsman Extraordinaire (#) Oct 29th, 2012 - 04:14 pm Report abuse

I dunno if you are aware but Hong Kong was handed over to the Chinese in 1997 under a 99 year lease agreement. Prior to that it was practically nothing.

I have never heard of any such thing hear in the UK suggesting that we would 're-take' something which we effectively borrowed for 100 years and made into something great along the way. It would be completely illegal to do so and would severely damage the UKs prestige.

With reflection to our military; the size of our military might be meger compared to that of the Chinese, however it's level of training, expertise and technology is rivalled by none in many areas. I have no doubt that in a tussle our boys would hold our own. Particularly against the Chinese navy.
19 Idlehands (#) Oct 29th, 2012 - 04:14 pm Report abuse
16 Mikarita Yatemata

Hong Kong was leased. The lease expired and it returned to China. Who is talking about “reclaiming” it - other than you?

Your reference to settlement agreements is equally stupid as huntsman has already explained.

Don't any of the Argentines on here do anything other than write the first thing that pops into their head? The new incarnations always seem more pitiable and pitiful than the last.
20 Mikarita Yatemata (#) Oct 29th, 2012 - 04:19 pm Report abuse
Why isn't Guyana Great?
21 Huntsman Extraordinaire (#) Oct 29th, 2012 - 04:20 pm Report abuse
@17 I have no idea what a US boot tastes like, we are our own sovereign nation and with regards to the EU this is exactly what we are trying to protect.

Face it Guzz, just cos we have some very cushty trade agreements (Commonwealth, EU, USA, etc) and actually make money you are only jealous. I don't know if you heard but despite Argentina's best efforts the UK has been out of recession since July and continues to thrive. Maybe thats because our approach is actually... whats the word... um... oh yes... diplomatic!
22 Guzz (#) Oct 29th, 2012 - 04:20 pm Report abuse
Still, boot flavours, anyone?
23 Huntsman Extraordinaire (#) Oct 29th, 2012 - 04:22 pm Report abuse
Well I imagine that Argentina must be getting pretty fed up of tasting Brazilian boot. I know the rest of the world is getting sick to death of Argentinian gob.
24 Guzz (#) Oct 29th, 2012 - 04:23 pm Report abuse
So you chose to be a US lapdog out of your very own sovereignity?
25 Mikarita Yatemata (#) Oct 29th, 2012 - 04:25 pm Report abuse

Argentina runs Mercosur and Latin America, if you have not noticed. We can do what we want with them.
26 yankeeboy (#) Oct 29th, 2012 - 04:26 pm Report abuse
Guzz, has shown time and again that all of this hatred for UK USA is just jealousy of his betters.

You would think he would grow out of it at some point.
27 Guzz (#) Oct 29th, 2012 - 04:27 pm Report abuse
According to Cristina ity was Dilma. Dilma said it was Pepe. Pepe blamed Cristina :)
28 Hook (#) Oct 29th, 2012 - 04:29 pm Report abuse
actually Guzz, you are getting better, the UK is afraid of Germany;)
29 Huntsman Extraordinaire (#) Oct 29th, 2012 - 04:30 pm Report abuse

We are a sovereign nation Guzz, ask the UN and every single international organisation in the world. Just because we can actually get on with other counties does not mean that we are their lap dogs or under their boot; as you can quite clearly see with the EU controversy. The UK and the USA have their disagreements every now and then and contrary to what you might think the UK populas are not as fond of the US populas as they are us.

We play the game and we do great at it and you only wish your country could. But until it stops behaving like a little spoilt brat and more like an adult and actually starts being friendly with nations then it will forever be nowhere.

30 inthegutter (#) Oct 29th, 2012 - 04:31 pm Report abuse
Technically HK island and then later Kowloon were ceded in perpetuity, it was only the New Territories that were leased. However, returning only the New Territories would have created an untenable situation thus the British Government decided (in consultation with the PRC) to return the entire territory in exchange for guarantees on various civil liberties. *

With the possible exception of some fringe members of the Conservative party (and none that I actually know of) no one with any power has suggested “taking back” HK.

So... you're talking crap.
31 Simon68 (#) Oct 29th, 2012 - 04:34 pm Report abuse
25 Mikarita Yatemata (#)
Oct 29th, 2012 - 04:25 pm

Another tobias alias!!!!!!!!
32 Guzz (#) Oct 29th, 2012 - 04:36 pm Report abuse
Sure... Right... Of course... So, how DO US boots taste?

Salud! (in terpentine, to remove the taste...)
33 Huntsman Extraordinaire (#) Oct 29th, 2012 - 04:40 pm Report abuse
Only you can tell us that since their hedge funds are currently kicking you with it.
34 Guzz (#) Oct 29th, 2012 - 04:48 pm Report abuse
I'm Uruguayan, currently we have wall street wanting to crawl further up our arses, but the problem is, it's full with Englishmen..

And Argentina is doing fine, those bonds the hedge fonds bought are less than 5% of Argentinas total, honoured debt.
If she doesn't pay, it's because she firmly believes these hedge fonds are vultures (something UK agrees in as soon as the tide turns), and not because she can't :)
35 Huntsman Extraordinaire (#) Oct 29th, 2012 - 04:50 pm Report abuse
So you can tell me what it feels like to have US boot up your arse...

If its going further up you should be able to tell me what it tastes like by now!
36 Idlehands (#) Oct 29th, 2012 - 04:50 pm Report abuse
Agreeing frameworks for discussion is an admission that you've actually agreed nothing. Claiming progress is wishful thinking - especially when you consider that any agreement includes both Argentina and Venezuela. One notorious for not abiding by their agreements and the other notorious for not agreeing with anyone.

We'll be here in 20 years still discussing the pending EU / Mercosur trade agreement.
37 Mikarita Yatemata (#) Oct 29th, 2012 - 04:52 pm Report abuse

Good. No one here wants trade with dirty Euros.

So, 937 hectopascals reported on that 1000 year cyclone hitting Wall Street. Lowest hectopascal pressure ever in the USA.

Repent, anglos, repent.
38 Idlehands (#) Oct 29th, 2012 - 04:58 pm Report abuse
Mercosur is deperate for a trade agreement with the EU
39 Guzz (#) Oct 29th, 2012 - 05:00 pm Report abuse
I don't know, but regardless what, please, move with caution, it's our arses...
40 Mikarita Yatemata (#) Oct 29th, 2012 - 05:00 pm Report abuse

Not Argentina. You've got nothing.
41 Guzz (#) Oct 29th, 2012 - 05:06 pm Report abuse
Mercosur and the EU haven't had a trade agreement ever. For the last 10 years, Mercosur has evolved into a powerful trade bloc while the EU has developed into a name that does anything but unite its members.
Who is in need of who :)
42 yankeeboy (#) Oct 29th, 2012 - 05:26 pm Report abuse
Mercosur has evolved into a powerful trade bloc

You win for the stupidest post today!
Yea for you!

You can't even trade among yourselves without fighting much less the rest of the world!
ask Paraguay or pig farmers in Brazil

Your jealousy makes you say really stupid things.
43 Condorito (#) Oct 29th, 2012 - 05:28 pm Report abuse
Marika Yatemata
“Argentina runs Mercosur and Latin America, if you have not noticed. We can do what we want with them.”


Luckily for you, your leaders aren't quite that stupid.
44 LEPRecon (#) Oct 29th, 2012 - 05:29 pm Report abuse
@40 - Tobias

Why are you pretending to be Japanese today?

No Japanese person would ever speak or write the way you do, they would consider it dishonourable.

Tell me Tobais, why are you ashamed to post under your original handle? Why do you feel the need to keep inventing new ones?

Poor performance, Tobias, have La Campora stopped paying you because your posts are even too ridiculous for them?
45 Guzz (#) Oct 29th, 2012 - 05:30 pm Report abuse
Powerful trade bloc yes, and you know how I know it? Because I've never heard you lot cry so loud before... ;)
46 Clyde15 (#) Oct 29th, 2012 - 05:38 pm Report abuse
#37 Mickey Mouse
Where is here ?
Brazil seems to be interested, but again, they seem to be a grown -up country unlike the adolescent Argentina.

There are a hell of lot of Latinos in and about N.Y.
I suppose you wish death and destruction on them also ?
47 Guzz (#) Oct 29th, 2012 - 05:40 pm Report abuse
That many mariposas?
48 Mikarita Yatemata (#) Oct 29th, 2012 - 05:40 pm Report abuse

I'm not Latino. Takeaki Matsumoto should not sign any deals.
49 yankeeboy (#) Oct 29th, 2012 - 05:47 pm Report abuse
Guzz, I have a feeling you don't know what the world powerful mean in this context.

You write these statements like none of us read the news
50 Guzz (#) Oct 29th, 2012 - 05:48 pm Report abuse
the cry-o-meter indicates something else, yanqui :))
51 yankeeboy (#) Oct 29th, 2012 - 05:51 pm Report abuse
Pointing out your stupidity is not making me cry, it is just the opposite.
I am laughing at the moldy wheat in the Pampas
The soy still waiting to be planted
The bonds dropping 9% in one day
laughing and laughing
52 Guzz (#) Oct 29th, 2012 - 05:53 pm Report abuse
sure, yanqui, whatever you say.... It's not SA complaining in these threads, is it ;)
53 briton the arse (#) Oct 29th, 2012 - 06:04 pm Report abuse
Isolde, shut up!
54 yankeeboy (#) Oct 29th, 2012 - 06:04 pm Report abuse
Um yeah. Every day for 12-18hrs a day there are a bunch of SA's on here jealousy wishing they could live in civilization.
55 LEPRecon (#) Oct 29th, 2012 - 06:05 pm Report abuse
@48 - Tobias

Are you going to answer my questions?

Tell me, why don't you post under your original handle? Why do you pretend to be from anywhere but Argentina?

You see, Tobias, you can change your screen name, but your racist attitude keeps bubbling to the surface. In fact, it gets worse everyday. Is it because you are angry that Argentina is in an economic mess right now?

However, back to the topic. Any trade between Mercosur and the EU should prove mutually beneficial, but no treaties or trade agreements have been signed as of yet. They are just reiterating that they are committed to talking about it.
56 Mikarita Yatemata (#) Oct 29th, 2012 - 06:10 pm Report abuse

You quoted the wrong person.
57 Guzz (#) Oct 29th, 2012 - 06:10 pm Report abuse
So there are many SA's here now?
According to you lot, we are 2. With multiple aliases...
So how is it yanqui? What's your flavour of the day?

58 Hook (#) Oct 29th, 2012 - 06:21 pm Report abuse
57@ it's true what yankee says, SA people whine too much and say stupid things out of jealousy..first you should get rid of catholicism
59 yankeeboy (#) Oct 29th, 2012 - 06:22 pm Report abuse
Well I have my suspicions

I went through it a couple weeks ago on how it is almost mathematically impossible that there are 3 Nordic/Rgs/Retournado/English speakers on here.
60 ElaineB (#) Oct 29th, 2012 - 06:22 pm Report abuse
@44 I thought they were all called back to the mothership and silenced.
61 Hook (#) Oct 29th, 2012 - 06:25 pm Report abuse
59@ Guzz speaks Swedish and Danish, still it doesn't prove her origin
62 Guzz (#) Oct 29th, 2012 - 06:25 pm Report abuse
All I hear is Brits and UK people whining. Then you have a bunch of people with SA origins that counters your lies. In SA, not many peolple speaks English at all, and I can assure you they don't care :)
63 Hook (#) Oct 29th, 2012 - 06:28 pm Report abuse
almost no one speaks English in SA
64 Guzz (#) Oct 29th, 2012 - 06:32 pm Report abuse
thst's the reason MP is english only.
Imagine MP in spanish :)))
65 briton (#) Oct 29th, 2012 - 06:33 pm Report abuse
Envy and jealousy,

It’s a bitter pill to swallow is it not,

Envy and jealousy. of everything British,

Why you not insult other European countries,

Instead of taking your hate out on the brits,

Envy and jealousy.
That’s all it is.

66 Hook (#) Oct 29th, 2012 - 06:36 pm Report abuse
64@ well i'm not SA-origin, they have a Spanish version too, without the comments section though..Guzz, Are you married to a Nordic/do you have father/mother of Nordic origin?
67 Guzz (#) Oct 29th, 2012 - 06:37 pm Report abuse
I can assure you you have nothing I could possibly be envious about :)))
Mayhaps the wide known British good looks...

68 briton (#) Oct 29th, 2012 - 06:43 pm Report abuse
ha ha,
so you are enviouse of the british looks,
dont tell sussie or whoever she is impersonating today,
she will be very upset with you.

69 Guzz (#) Oct 29th, 2012 - 06:56 pm Report abuse
No, and no

Ugly is for Brits what vacuum is for relativity....
70 Hook (#) Oct 29th, 2012 - 06:59 pm Report abuse
69@ then how the hell do you possess a Swedish passport?

were you adopted as a kid? there are lot of adopted SA-people in Sweden
71 Guzz (#) Oct 29th, 2012 - 07:06 pm Report abuse
Those are mostly Colombians...
No, I'm not adopted...
I'm the son of a Tupa, that's all there is to it...
72 surfer (#) Oct 29th, 2012 - 07:10 pm Report abuse
Argentine CDS prices almost at 4 year highs.

Barclays Capital advises 'underweight' on Argentine debt (SELL SELL SELL).
73 Hook (#) Oct 29th, 2012 - 07:11 pm Report abuse
71@it doesn't matter how you get in there, you are either: 1)Argentinian origin 2)some leftist NWO-group member

..the only thing i'm certain of, you aren't 100% Uruguayan, it doesn't make any sense why would any person fanatically defend another country in an internet forum like you day after day...

3)you're nuts
74 Guzz (#) Oct 29th, 2012 - 07:17 pm Report abuse
I would defend ANY Latin American country, should you spread your lies about them... Heck, I would prolly defend any “3rd world” nation against your lies, when I think about it...
75 surfer (#) Oct 29th, 2012 - 07:20 pm Report abuse
Bank of America moves Argentine debt to 'underweight'.

Argentine bonds largest fall since Oct 2008.
76 Tinx (#) Oct 29th, 2012 - 07:21 pm Report abuse

You see.........

You produce high tech /qualified vehicles..

The others produce babbling........
77 redpoll (#) Oct 29th, 2012 - 07:28 pm Report abuse
Hooray! We have a new export market! Exporting burros to Denmark pioneered by Guzz. If he is on an Uruguayan scholarship in marine engineering he is neglecting his studies. If he is on a Danish grant, how are the mighty Vikings fallen! Maybe he is a refugee from the drug wars in barrio Marconi, if he is an Uruguayan at all. I noticed that he refers to “we” when referring to Argentina. Ok go and guzzle some Danish pastries. I hear the are quite good when eaten in bed.
78 Conqueror (#) Oct 29th, 2012 - 07:31 pm Report abuse
This “Association Agreement” has to be STOPPED. Not “paused”, “suspended” or any other mealy-mouthed phrase. STOPPED! What “association” do WE want to have with 40 million argie war criminals? What “association” do WE want to have with dictators such as CFK and Chavez? What “association” do WE want with backward “countries” that use banned “veterinary” drugs on animals? Drugs that feed through into the human food chain. What “association” do WE want with countries that spray crops with chemicals that injure the health of people living nearby? And what is the effect on people who actually “eat” the crap? Argie “manufactured” goods? They couldn't put bolt B through part A and get it right. Look back and check out the comments of some Chilean friends on argie “manufactured” goods. If you're in Europe, contact your MEP. Demand this be stopped. Mercosur interrupts the democratic process. Mercosur interferes in internal domestic affairs. Mercosur is a dictatorship of tyrannies. In time, there will be a war. When mercosur will be destroyed. There is no alternative. Mercosur doesn't believe in freedom, honesty or democracy. It believes in power. Was it only 73 years ago that we had to contend with the same immorality in Europe? Let's be sensible. Perhaps we can avoid wiping the faggot-turds off the face of the planet. Perhaps we can starve or freeze them to death!
79 Mikarita Yatemata (#) Oct 29th, 2012 - 08:16 pm Report abuse
Blood will rain in London. That should tell you everything about that wretched race.
80 briton (#) Oct 29th, 2012 - 08:30 pm Report abuse
69 Guzz (#)

you keep changing you word,
1, Mayhaps the wide known British good looks

2, 68
Ugly is for Brits what vacuum is for relativity

and you say no envy intended.
81 Guzz (#) Oct 29th, 2012 - 08:33 pm Report abuse
1. It's non-existant

2. A phrase that would make old Boole proud... How do you express that in Boolean logic, by the way?
82 Mikarita Yatemata (#) Oct 29th, 2012 - 08:38 pm Report abuse
European good looks? an oxymoron. All the tales and children stories about ogres, trolls, lepricons, orcs, and vampires come from Eastern, Northern, and Southern Europe.

Europeans are big boned with big noses, oily faces, or hairy. Japanese people are beauty.
83 briton (#) Oct 29th, 2012 - 08:38 pm Report abuse
No idea,

So you don’t like the brits then,
That’s ok.

We don’t mind,
Being envied..
84 Guzz (#) Oct 29th, 2012 - 08:48 pm Report abuse
The fact that I dislike you lot has nothing to do with me disliking Brits in general. Furthermore, I don't dislike ugly people for being ugly...

Between you and me, I think you and tooold are quite alright though, behind the foolish nationalism, I'd say you two are not that distant in your views, compared to mine...
85 Hook (#) Oct 29th, 2012 - 08:59 pm Report abuse
84@ and Argies are not nationalists??? jaja, let me laugh..

you make the SA-people look bad here in the blog, some might think all SA's are like you..

99% of South American people don't give a shit about Argentina..

in fact most of them dislike Argentinian's..
86 briton (#) Oct 29th, 2012 - 09:00 pm Report abuse
You mean,,, toooldtodieyoung ,,

Im not a nationalist, just British and patriotic,

And this is Justa blogg, where discussions are had,

Sadly some take it too far,
Lika nutty sussy,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

What will be, will be ,
But wouldn’t it be nice, hypothetically if the first thing an alien saw, when approaching our planet, was the union jack.

Justa joka,
After all, who would want a predator,, in there back garden,

Ruin the dames roses, would it not..

p/s back later,the boss is calling,
87 Guzz (#) Oct 29th, 2012 - 09:09 pm Report abuse
Hook, you are the one talking about “killing Argies”...
And no, I can agree with you that most in SA have a natural distaste for porteños, actually, not even porteños, but porteñazos.
Argentinians are just like everybody else...
88 Mikarita Yatemata (#) Oct 29th, 2012 - 09:14 pm Report abuse

99% or Argentines don't even give South Americans, Europeans, or North Americans a second thought. Irrelevant people who have achieved nothing substantial to affect our lives.
89 Hook (#) Oct 29th, 2012 - 09:25 pm Report abuse
87@ it doesn't make sense what you are saying,,,no one in Panama or Ecuador knows what is a Porteñ them all argies are white, tall, bearded men who look like the conquistadors, they look like Spanish, and everyone in LA hates the Spanish..

..people in Argentina have a different culture, they don't listen salsa, they speak differently, they say they are not latinos,,,why would any latino defend a person who is a shamed of being a latino and is a wannabe European?

people in their little countries just worry about their governments, their taxes, their laws,,etc..they don't have time to think about a distant country somewhere far away
90 Mikarita Yatemata (#) Oct 29th, 2012 - 09:38 pm Report abuse
I admire latino culture of salsa, mambo, vallenato, and samba, candomble, etc. We enjoy doing karaoke on these tunes every thursday night after work to get our happy juices flowing for the weekend. We sing well till 10:30 at night.

Argentines are not european, however, do not vilipend them in such an abominable fashion. Say you want to kill them, that they should be nuked, or erradicated by implanting small pox on them, but don't say to them something as bad as being european.
91 Guzz (#) Oct 29th, 2012 - 09:40 pm Report abuse
The fact that you hate Argentinians and Spaniards is not our fault. Don't blame others for your ignorance...
92 Hook (#) Oct 29th, 2012 - 09:43 pm Report abuse
90@you have never even been in Argentina

91@i don't hate Spaniards, just Argentinians
93 Mikarita Yatemata (#) Oct 29th, 2012 - 09:46 pm Report abuse

I have met Maradona and Tevez.
94 Hook (#) Oct 29th, 2012 - 09:48 pm Report abuse
93@ are you sure, you didn't just see two monkeys?
95 Mikarita Yatemata (#) Oct 29th, 2012 - 09:50 pm Report abuse

Positive, they didn't hold an EU or UK passport.
96 Guzz (#) Oct 29th, 2012 - 09:50 pm Report abuse
“and everyone in LA hates the Spanish..”
“i don't hate Spaniards, just Argentinians”

So, per your own definition, you aren't Latin American, so stop telling us who we hate, don't project your insecurities on us...
97 surfer (#) Oct 29th, 2012 - 09:51 pm Report abuse
Argentina now being referred to as having a 'Dead' economic model
Vulture grade
98 redpoll (#) Oct 29th, 2012 - 09:53 pm Report abuse
I dont hate Argentines except for thier corrupt politicians. Well perhaps an exeption are the insufferable arrogant portenos
99 Mikarita Yatemata (#) Oct 29th, 2012 - 09:58 pm Report abuse
I do not like caucasian western Gaijin.
100 Hook (#) Oct 29th, 2012 - 10:03 pm Report abuse
96@ when did i say i'm a Latino? i just have lots of Latino friends, i've traveled all over SA and Spain too, you can GTFO from Denmark and stop playing like you were Scandinavian..stop referring to Scandinavia, you don't represent anything from Scandinavia.
101 Guzz (#) Oct 29th, 2012 - 10:08 pm Report abuse
My north is Montevideo, my south is Stockholm
I owe you no explainations :)
102 Hook (#) Oct 29th, 2012 - 10:12 pm Report abuse
101@people like me pay taxes so that cockroaches like you can exploit our system
103 Guzz (#) Oct 29th, 2012 - 10:14 pm Report abuse
exploit what? What do you contribute to that I explote, please educate me...
104 Hook (#) Oct 29th, 2012 - 10:20 pm Report abuse
103@Free education, modern transport system, stable prices, food, clean water, safety, security, clean environment, possibilities for hobbies and leisure time, etc,, etc,, all the things shitty Argentina will never have, LOL

105 Clyde15 (#) Oct 29th, 2012 - 10:26 pm Report abuse
I presume you did not mean butterflies !

#99 TTT
Surfaced again under another alias.
“do not vilipend them”
Rogets Thesaurus strikes again.

“Europeans are big boned with big noses, oily faces, or hairy.”
So you don't think much of Argentinian looks either.
106 Mikarita Yatemata (#) Oct 29th, 2012 - 10:28 pm Report abuse
Education is freer in Mendoza than Europe or the USA.
Mendoza has modern expressways, one of the largest electric trolley systems, and a brand new metro.
Food is plentiful everywhere
water is clean both from the pristine mountains (no pristine environments exist in Europe or North America), and by the water purification
pure air, water, and sorroundings
ski, rafting, wine tasting, trekking, horse riding, culture, night clubs abundant
crime is down for 5 years in a row

Things we achieved in 100 years. Europe took 2000 years, the poor Neanderthals.
107 yankeeboy (#) Oct 29th, 2012 - 10:35 pm Report abuse
106. Oh good gracious are you back again under another nick?
Does MP keep canceling them on you?

Mendoza.ugh..nobody cares, nobody wants to live 3 planes and 15 hrs away from civilization. A remote backward province in a middle of a filthy corrupt frontier country.
Good grief give it up you aren't convincing anyone here it is some lost paradise.
108 Mikarita Yatemata (#) Oct 29th, 2012 - 10:38 pm Report abuse
That's how we like it, we don't want leprose Gaijin to come and spoil our isolation from the wars, disease, natural disasters, and human suffering of the woebogone Euros, Norhtamers, and Latams... We hav tv, we see how awful life is in the rest of the planet at the 9o'clock news.

So thankful when we go to sleep it is so serene, pristine, and beatiful all around us.
109 Guzz (#) Oct 29th, 2012 - 10:39 pm Report abuse
You provide Denmark with all that?
who are you? Mærsk?
110 surfer (#) Oct 29th, 2012 - 10:51 pm Report abuse
whoops. Uruguay introducing price controls in supermarkets now (to control inflation) sounds familiar....
111 Hook (#) Oct 29th, 2012 - 10:54 pm Report abuse
107@ all the argies i met in other SA-countries said Mendoza is the second paradise or something,,

when i finally went there, it looked like a small town after a zombie attack or something, it was totally empty, there was no one in the streets,
112 Guzz (#) Oct 29th, 2012 - 10:54 pm Report abuse
You are late, as usual :)
113 surfer (#) Oct 29th, 2012 - 11:08 pm Report abuse
For true investment grade potential in South America, Chile.
114 Mikarita Yatemata (#) Oct 29th, 2012 - 11:09 pm Report abuse
Hook has never even been to Argentina, he is an illegal that was detained with drug enemas on the Salta-Jujuy highway at a military checkpoint. That's how he travelled around SA, he is a drug mule.

Now that's embarrasing because 99% of illegals make it to Argentina, only the dumbest fail.

He got caught by the argie authorities and ever since then he hates the country.
115 Guzz (#) Oct 29th, 2012 - 11:12 pm Report abuse
I learned a little song in Sweden that reminds me of you, here you go;

“Ditt jävla luder, med våfflat hår och puder
du hukar dig och suger
för det är det enda till du duger
Du är en flata, du jobbar på en gata
om bara du får penga'
ja, då hoppar du i sänga' ”

Bad thing is, everytime i see “Hook”, the song comes automatically...
116 Hook (#) Oct 29th, 2012 - 11:55 pm Report abuse
113@ and nice People too... From Argentina you can only find dirt and scum.
117 Mikarita Yatemata (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 01:43 am Report abuse
1 meter water inside Wall Street.... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH.

118 Hook (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 02:56 am Report abuse
115@ i see, so that's how you make your living,,, in Sweden buying your services is illegal, selling not,,,so that's why you live in Denmark i'd suppose, my apologies, i thought you're living on tax payers money, but i guess you're making a good buck..
119 Conor J (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 03:40 am Report abuse
120 Mikarita Yatemata (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 04:03 am Report abuse
Supreme Justices about to go for a swim I hear. jijiji

121 yankeeboy (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 10:59 am Report abuse
Toby, I hear there are sign all over Argentina reading:

Barley para todos!!

Is that true?

122 surfer (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 11:28 am Report abuse
Amazing how Argentina's inflation is stubborn in its resistance to breach 10%, remaining as it does at 9.9%, almost unbelievable.

Unofficial inflation rate currently 24.33% - sources cannot be disclosed over fear of prosecution.

Expected inflation remains at 30% according to monthly report published by Torcuato Di Tella University (UTDT), note that this is merely an 'expectation' and thus avoids prosecution.
123 Idlehands (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 12:11 pm Report abuse
It's actually quite easy to keep inflation under 10% when government policy is to make up the figure on the back of a napkin.

Argentina will be censured by the IMF but they will live with the sanction and won't change their policy. Simple reason is it's cheaper. Admitting real inflation would cost billions.
124 TipsyThink (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 02:34 pm Report abuse
Who wrote this distorted artícle ?

A sécondary school pupil !
125 yankeeboy (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 03:11 pm Report abuse
Toby, Care to chime in about the yoy 25% drop in sales of Wine from Argentina?
Last time we chatted about this you said everything was great in the wine industry.
and I called you
a liar

hmm guess I am right gets tiring being right all the time
126 Mikarita Yatemata (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 07:55 pm Report abuse
I don't comment on made up statistics.

127 yankeeboy (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 09:15 pm Report abuse
Argentina’s output is estimated at 11.8 million hectoliters, falling by 3.69 million hectoliters or 24 percent.

Don't you get tired of being wrong all the time?
128 briton the arse (#) Oct 31st, 2012 - 03:24 pm Report abuse
@89 Hook
you deserve to fuck my arse,,,,,,everything you said is incorrect,,,,,,
argentinians are the best people all around the world!
Bs.As. has the most beautiful women,,,,,are you blind?
129 Pirat-Hunter (#) Nov 01st, 2012 - 06:47 pm Report abuse
Mercosur to continue advancing in trade regardless what the rest of the world thinks. And I support them 100% because at some point everyone has to eat. I think mercosur should have a standard 25% tax on exports to USA and Europe to protect local markets from inflation.
130 aussie sunshine (#) Nov 02nd, 2012 - 12:59 pm Report abuse
where would a UK fit into this free trade between these mega economies if the UK left the EU?????
131 British_Kirchnerist (#) Nov 04th, 2012 - 12:02 am Report abuse
Good news =)

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