ARA Libertad retained in Ghana has cost Argentina almost 3m dollars
The Argentine navy flagship ARA Libertad impounded in Ghana by US investment funds since 2 October has cost so far over 2.6 million dollars, half of which for the repatriation of the 281 cadets and crewmembers, according to Argentine naval and diplomatic sources quoted in the Buenos Aires media.
The Air France charter was not cheap: the contract started to click from the moment the aircraft took off for Accra from wherever she was, and then nine hours to Buenos Aires, and the return to origin.
Furthermore several containers with the crew and cadets’ belongings had to be contracted.
The daily cost of servicing ARA Libertad is in the range of 50.000 dollars, although since most of the 325 naval cadets and personnel left and only the captain and 44 sailors remain on board, the bill should have dropped considerably.
Another additional cost is the docking rent, estimated at 3.000 dollars per day, and which should have gone down because the Tema port authorities requested the vessel be moved to a secondary jetty since it was taking up much needed commercial space.
However Argentina refused and the discrepancy is estimated will be part of the litigation.
“Argentina currently is not paying that fee. If it wins the court case and the vessel has to be released there will be no cost and Argentina most certainly will begin a compensation demand against Ghana” anticipated Argentine diplomats.
Furthermore the Navy has to ensure the cadets complete their pending two months training before their graduation that will inevitably become an unforeseeable cost.
Apparently ARA Libertad has 45 days of fuel for the generation of on board power and sufficient food for over a month.
However there was a dispute with local port authorities regarding bunkering which according to Argentine sources, on Accra court orders was not allowed. Tema port authorities deny any impediment to load fuel.
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ROCK ---------- ARGENTINA ------------ HARD PLACE
I assume because they are simply telling porkies to bolster their daft “breach of human rights” claim.
More likely, given the lamentable habit of Argentina to somehow not pay it's debts, the Tema Port Authourity would be reluctant to allow them too much credit. Especially as Argentina already isn't paying it's docking fees...
Meanwhile, back in the state of denial, the shame on the Argentine government increases. The longer this goes on, the more foolish they appear. The United Nations or the International Courts will not entertain any claims for Human Rights abuses, when the sole cause of the problem is Argentina's refusal to pay their debts, or pay for the upkeep of their naval personnel.
Cannot wait for TMBOA to come up with her next rant that the Argentines are the victims of all this. She's robbing Argentina blind and the Argentines haven't the balls to remove her and put someone honest in power. But when everyone is forced to be 'dishonest' just to get by, then it must be next to impossible to find anyone honest.
Where is the strategy? Where is the spunk?
So sad that the RG navy werent told to bolt it ! It would have illustrated pride, strength, big cohones and could have given the old Moo reason to buy a new dress and start flexing!!!
That a bit of poor taste, even for you Guzz, with the loss of life that has occurred.
Well we always knew the argies were lying as usual and this proves their claims about human rights to be the usual bollocks from Timidman.
I cannot imagine that Ghana will seize the ship just for non-payment of USD 3,000 per day when Singer has already offered to pay the costs.
I am still puzzled as to why Singer has not applied for a Warrant Of Possession and remove the ship.
AG will not be going to any International Court over this and if they did there is a VERY good chance they would lose again.
Just more laughs for us at the expense of TMBOA.
SELF-DETERMINATION! you cant beat it!
Tema Port 'OK... cash only..up front..'
LC 'Here you go'.... hands over some cash'
Tema Port ' Ta... we will credit that to your outstanding port dues....'
Libertad Captain.... 'Can we have some fuel please?'
Tema Port 'OK... cash only..up front..'
LC 'Here you go'.... hands over some cash'
Tema Port ' Ta... we will credit that to your outstanding port dues....'
Libertad Captain.... 'Can we have some fuel please?'
Tema Port 'OK... cash only..up front..'
LC 'Here you go'.... hands over some cash'
Tema Port ' Ta... we will credit that to your outstanding port dues....'
Libertad Captain.... 'Can we have some fuel please?'
Tema Port 'OK... cash only..up front..'
LC 'Here you go'.... hands over some cash'
Tema Port ' Ta... we will credit that to your outstanding port dues....'
and so it goes on and on in Tema
abcnews.go.com/US/hurricane-sandy-woman-dies-tall-ship-hms-bounty/story?id=17595062#.UI-rrIY_w8A
@8 “So sad that the RG navy werent told to bolt it”. argieland is “victimised” by weather!
@11 Are you sure? That's US$87,000 already. Plus the US$50,000 per day for servicing for all the time before the cadets were “evacuated”. That's another US$1,050,000. Using only arithmetic, the daily servicing cost might have gone down to US$7,000. So every day would be US$10,000. Will CFK pay out of her own handbag?
Un-paid bills will call for bankrupcy? Well, I don't thinks so, what I am sure of is, that if you always wanted a beautiful tall ship that you can't live without, prepare to auction one. CFK will go down in history as the first world president that sold his country pride for stupidity.
As the deposit required by MNL was $10M it will most probably be sold for less than that. What a deal...
The idea it could be impounded for unpaid bills for the “privilege”of using the port its been incarcerated in, once Singer's case is thrown out, is just a fantasy, Ghana and Singer will be sued for compensation
The judges know full well that Argentina relinquished their sovereign immunity when they signed the bonds. Argentina reneged on the bonds and NML Capital holds judgements against Argentina in both New York and London. As far as the Ghana judges are concerned, it is quite obvious that if Argentina wants their ship back, they had better pay the bill. The longer the ship remains in port, the higher the port fees they will rack up and the more certain that the Judge will decide against Argentina.
Talk about digging your own grave.
The Argentine Government have exhibited the sort of stupidity only seen in lunatic asylums. TMBOA wont pay, because she's a corrupt idiot who wants all the US dollars for herself and her cronies and the Argentine people haven't the balls to remove her from office. They deserve to be robbed blind.
Anyone who's seen it will know exactly what I mean - even the Argentine posters.
I think had only been to the UK a couple of times to visit.
Incidentally, as things stand, there is one crewmember confirmed dead and the captain missing (who almost certainly won't be found at all, let alone alive) - both American, not British, Ghanaian or Argentine.
Do you really believe that you're comments are in good taste?
Has it not occured to you that companies woul simply not export to Argentina?
Seriously… Do you think the way to resolve this is to upset one of the most powerful nations in the world by expropriating their embassy or buy taxing nations who provide much needed commerce to your country?
By your logic I should contact my credit card company telling then I can’t afford to reply the balance on my card even though I can and demanding they actually now pay me for the hassle it is causing me not being able to spend more money on their card!
#27 who was the knight that kept on getting his limbs hacked off, but still trying to march on?
@29 Your desperation is showing, alex. Here's the way it works. Your favourite country tried this, forgetting that it had waived the immunity of its assets. The U.S. isn't as stupid as your lot. The Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations protects the buildings used officially by embassies for diplomatic purposes. So, not a chance!
@31 Did you not kill civilians with helicopters? And, no, I don't believe you're Uruguayan.
#32 yes it occurred to me that company's importing from rogue nations will stop trading with Argentina and that is the goal, not to trade with nation giving help and refuge to vultures, all nations will have to desire to help the vulture for a stake in the ransom or keep good trade relations with a food exporter. The choice is clear i-pads or food! Before you respond, let me remind you that humanity made it thus far without I-pads, I hear places like Sudan still working in finding a way to survive with out food, hundreds of years of world hunger and it still not possible. Now! Don't Ask again if I care to trade with rogue nations, the answer is a big flat NO.
#30 I think you would understand things better if you read about the Troyan horse and white elephants. I predicted the long term plan but all of it was too obvious to miss, I though the vulture had it all figured out but they didn't think CFK wasn't going to pay ransom or give into blackmail, good for Argentina when people try to push you around you dig in your hills and push them back into their senses.
I think they are fabulous ideas and you should stand for election on that manifesto at the soonest opportunity.
Armchair and popcorn sales will skyrocket
aortic aneuryism
I am both amazed and disguted by your remarks concerning the Bounty.
You tell us that you are a trainee Marine Engineer no less, yet you break the first rule of the sea: you support others at peril, irrespective.
You should really consider getting a job, not a profession that you have demonstrated you are totally unsuitable for.
As far as I know the only time the Uruguayan military killed civilians with helicopters was an accident in 1971 during an exhibition on the seafront of the Montevideo neighbourhood of Pocitos.
www.taringa.net/posts/.../Accidente-aereo-1971-en-Montevideo.html
1, do you like being humiliated and shamed, [yes]
2, will it effect the mighty CFK, [ yes]
Do the right thing,
Pay the debt, and stop humiliating your country.
Still,
As she does not care, what the heck.
.
It is looking increasingly unlikely Argentina is ever going to get the ship back.
The bills will have to be paid, and possession is 9/10ths of the law in a case like this.
Unless of course there is a humiliating climb down, by someone!!!
Argentinians throw their own people from planes 30,000 of them....... Including two nuns.
What is your point?
who is the biggest bad guy?
Well, wasn't it Hitler and the members of the Nazi party that Argentina help to hide at the end of the second world war?
OR Stalin who Tortured and sent untold millions of his own to the salt mines?
or pol pot?
Or Saddam Hussian?
The fact is that the UK / America don't try and hide what they've done. We hold our hands up and say sorry whereas all of the above tried to do it out of sight.
You seem to forget that EVERY human life is precious. The taking of human life is a GREAT responsibility and should not be done lightly or on whim. Every life lost is a Tragedy. Even those lives lost in the Falklands war of 1982. The British did not take joy in the killing.
You write in words of hate and only manage to embarrass yourself and get others to HATE you. Why?
Do you think before you post? or is thinking something that other people do? You write the words but I wonder, do you actually understand them?
You know, the old, its all their fault, missing there families, Ghana should let it go, ect ect .
Good will to all debtors and all that,
Still,
She has to get past bonfire night first …
pay up,
Why aren't you as fervent defending the Iraqi children your troops are killing?
Isn't their lives as precious as you define it?
You sicken me with your double morals.
If you want to pretend to defend life, then defend life dammit, not your own ones!
Disgusting pieces of crap, the whole bunch of you!!!
HMFS REVENGE !!
relax
you know very well british troops do not murder anyone,
least of all women and children, unless you can prove otherwise.
relax.
How do you think I ended up here in the 1st place, scum?
What did you do to stop the SA military from commiting crimes against humanity?
You talk a lot today, but what back then?
I lost too many relatives fighting the dictatorship to listen to your drivel, scum!
Study history before you open your good for nothing mouth. Scum!
54
Again, again
www.britisharmykillings.org.uk/category/1/Crimes-in-Iraq
still no proof
Hate, hate, hate!!! Hate has clouded your mind Guzz... Please try and keep up. The British army is not in Iraq anymore.
It would appear that you know little, if anything of South America. You say you are “Uruguayan to the last bone of my body” and yet you live in Denmark...... Sweden? You haven't actually decided that one yet have you?
As for “I lost too many relatives fighting the dictatorship to listen to your drivel” Which one?
and as for “Study history before you open your good for nothing mouth” why don't you take your own advice? Stop telling lies.
Like TTT before you what are you afraid of? Are you hiding from something or someone or yourself?
Sorry Gringo insolente, was too young to know what the world was up to back then.
60
So wiseguy, just because Saddam was a murderer and a piece of shit, you are allowed to kill children?
www.britisharmykillings.org.uk/category/1/Crimes-in-Iraq
www.britisharmykillings.org.uk/category/1/Crimes-in-Iraq
www.britisharmykillings.org.uk/category/1/Crimes-in-Iraq
www.britisharmykillings.org.uk/category/1/Crimes-in-Iraq
www.britisharmykillings.org.uk/category/1/Crimes-in-Iraq
www.britisharmykillings.org.uk/category/1/Crimes-in-Iraq
www.britisharmykillings.org.uk/category/1/Crimes-in-Iraq
Get that? Your killings of civilians are so wide-spread, they had to divide them into categories!!!
www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-20041073
www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2012/09/2012918124140212587.html. All civilian casualties caused by NATO are 98% accidental, can you say the same of the Taliban? So you see with the evidence above about Saddam and murdering civilians you are not in a position to spout off you anti UK/US shite. Do some homework and stop making a TIT of yourself
That's OK, it isn't Argentinas fault. This figure will be forgiven and reversed to Ghana when the international tribunal decides in favor of Argentina.
Get this prick, It doesn't matter how many children are killed by murderous sects and madmen, you are STILL not allowed to do the same!!! Got damn, you are defending your right to shoot small girls in the torso because there are religious fanatics out there!!!!
www.britisharmykillings.org.uk/category/1/Crimes-in-Iraq
READ!!!!
Kicking a 17 year old around and throw him into the water so he drowns is accidental??? Fuck you!!!!
You really are desperate now to divert this thread, aren't you.
You links are all the same and go to the same site, which isn't an official site, or even one that has been verified or has ant credibility, such as amnesty international. This is one particular group who are basically saying all of the troops involved are guilty, even though they have yet to go to trial, or that they have been investigated and dropped due to lack of evidence or credibility of the witnesses.
The photographs this site are stock photos. In other words the designers and maintainers of this site have trawled the Internet looking for photos tht 'fit' the alleged crime.
Only a sucker would be taken in by this site. A better reflection of what has and i happening would be amnesty international, or actual Ministry of Defence files, which can be requested using the freedom of information act, unless of course the particular incident is still under investigation, which means that it can't be released until after the CPS decides to bring a case or not. I mean, in the interests of justice, we wouldn't want the case prejudiced, would we?
Next you'll be showing the old front page of the mirror from 2005 which showed photographs of the alleged abuse. They turned out to have been faked by a reservist and his friends who hoped to sell them for money, instead they all ended up with prison sentences.
There were some cases of abuse by British troops, these have been investigated. Some troops have been charged and are serving prison sentences, other cases are still being investigated, so the troops involved are considered innocent until proven guilty.
By the way Guzz, Ghana still has the ARA Libertad, and the Argentine government contine to humiliate the Argentine people by not paying their debts.
Try to stay on topic instead of linking to dodgy sites.
PH Alex has pictures on his FB that suggest his support for a list of dictators, Ghaddaffy, Taliban, Saddam, Syrian gov't, and of course CFK
www.facebook.com/avargas2001
Alex Vargas
www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=332871196758497&set=pb.100001068575678.-2207520000.1350436
Google their names, you bloody denier. Come on, google their names 1 by 1!!! Don't bloody address me until you've googled their names!!
70 goes for you as well, prick
www.amnesty.org.uk/news_details.asp?NewsID=19567
Thx, LEP, good little exposé of deceitful dirty Troll tactics.
#33 Sad to hear that, hope she gets better soon, my heart goes out to her. But if you think that means you'll still be rid of her, think again - she'll be outshining you in beauty and intellect (oh and staying President too!) for years to come =)
Guz you are letting your anti run away with you.
Ok, lets say what you say is true,
And in time they will hopefully be arrested and punished,
But hang on just a mo,
199 countries in the world,
Last year alone, hundreds of thousands died for one reason or another,
Terrorist, murderers , freedom fighters,
An awful lot of African countries committing massive atrocities, beyond belief,
Iraq leaders slaughtering their people, even today, they are blowing them selves into jigsaw puzzles,
The same in Egypt , Eden , Somalia , Syria , even in south America, gangs are killing unarmed civilians,
All over the world,
Still,
Why you blame only the British, is anyone’s guess,
But it will solve nothing,
But hey, why cant we all live like Argentineans, all law-abiding people, crime none existent ,
All go to church on Sunday,
A paradise perhaps,
Bullshit,
The brits overall are no better and no worse than others,
So please don’t blame all the worlds’ bad habits on the British,
By standing on a peddle stole.
Argentina is no more innocent than others, in killing civilians….
…………………
.
I don't blame the Brits, I blame the murderers. In this case, they happen to be Brits.
Long time ago, we fought our own military, back then, they were the murderers. It's not about nationality, it's about decency. Bring me redpoll, and I will tell him his truths as well, and he is my countryman...
Many reasons but no excuses.
We live in a very sad world,
But having said that.
What do you do when others ask for help.
We went into Iraq and afghan, and what happened is for the world to see,
Yet we refuse to enter Syria, and the slaughter goes on,
They now [apparently]
Hate the west, for not helping,[we mean troops]
Just what do you do,
And we have Iran knocking at the door, with a Israel next door, waiting to pounce,
Yep a sad world.
No - he went out - in the middle of a gunfire battle with the Taliban - and rescued 3 young Afghan children who were stuck in the open in the crossfire and in danger of being hit by Taliban fire.
Some murderers!
Nice bunch, the Taliban.
They shot a 14 yo Pakistani girl in the head for publicly speaking out in support of educating girls.
Yes you do, by your own admission, your own hate for ........well just about everyone on this site has twisted your logic.
A couple of rules to lying ( if you haven't heard them already )
Rule no1:- Don't lie
Rule no2:- If you do lie, don't get caught.
So then Guzz, it would seem that you have broken both rules and the only way for you to regain any respect on this forum would be to re-read my post at 61 ( toooldtodieyoung ) and then answer the questions, honestly................
You can do that can't you? Just answer a question?
I don't hate anyone just because you say so :))
And if I did, how would answering a question change that?
Anyway, post 61 states loads of questions... which one do you need an answer to?
“Long time ago, 'we' fought our own military, back then, they were the murderers.”
If by WE he means the Tupamaros, it's a lie. The Tupamaros only fought a democratically elected government, thus helping bring about the dictatorship. When the dictatorship started, some Tupamaros were suffering terribly in jail, a few were snitching on their mates, most were living the good life in exile (mostly in Sweden, France and Mexico). Very few went to live with their paymasters, Cuba and the USSR.
Your “democratically elected government” sent the police on demostrating students, were they shot and killed Liber Arce (1968), an action that triggered the armed resistance against your “democratically elected government”. Before that, your “democratically elected president”, Jorge Pacheco, had enforced a state of emergency, repealing all constitutional safeguards. This meant the emprisoning and torturing of civilians.
Historical fact.
Pacheco Areco handpicked his fascist successor, yes indeed
noticiaaldia.com/2011/07/fallece-el-ex-dictador-uruguayo-juan-maria-bordaberry-a-los-83-anos/bordaberryjuanmaria02/
Look at him, nice photo :))))))
1. During Communist and Tupamaro-incited mob violence a young untrained policeman was surrounded and shot one of his assailers, called Liber Arce, who became the martyr that every extremist minority movement needs. The Tupamaros had started trying to overthow the democratically elected government years before this incident.
2. Pacheco Areco was the democratically elected vicepresident to President Oscar Gestido. When the latter died, Pacheco Areco became president, in accordance with the consititution. He was granted powers of emergency by parliament, again in accordance with the constitution. These emergency powers were only granted due to Tupamaro terrorism: cold-blooded murder, kidnapping, bank robberies, bombing.
Pacheco Areco attempted a constitutional reform (sound familiar?) to be re-elected; he had insuficient votes and failed. The candidate with the most votes was Juan María Bordaberry. Thus, he was democratically voted in, not handpicked by anyone. Bordaberry later turned against the constitution: treason of even greater infamy than that of the Tupamaros of the time.
A sad but true story, now fortunately behind us. Most Tupamaros changed to such an extent that they are now the democratically elected government, by a clear majority in honest elections. I believe that their relinquishing violence is something to be proud of, especially in the case of those who were tortured.
Guzz one of the tiny group of Uruguayans who are lickspittles of Argentina, but I suppose every country has its traitors and nut jobs.
Unless, of course, he's not Uruguayan at all.
Has not Juan María Bordaberry died this year? Not a very nice person to say the least.
Guzz of course is now persona non grata as far as I am concerned with his attitude on the poor devils that lost their lives on the Bounty.
Whilst he used to be a BIT radical, of late he seems to be turning into a true argie troll along the likes of I don’t Think, the SECOND BIGGEST LIAR on MP.
His chance of becoming a Marine Engineer is fading rapidly if he exhibits the character defects he shows on here during his training. It’s almost a self-destruction path that he is on which is robbing some other person from the opportunity for professional training which he seems hell bent on throwing away.
And for what? Is AG going to look after him when he is unemployable? No chance.
I have still not heard a word from you condemning the murdering of women and children in Iraq, demanding justice to be made for the families involved and a solid criticism of the murderers involved...
The old ploy of changing the subject totally when the Arg. supporters cannot think of anything to say .
Look gringo insolente, while Saddam was killing innocent kurds in Iraq, he was your best buddy and you lot said NOTHING against it. Not until he opposed your wishes did you start using the kurds as an excuse. What about the kurds in Turkey, do you support their struggle for freedom? I do... Pajero
The bills for the Libertad keep mounting.
Even if Argentina got it released, they would have to pay harbour fees up front to leave. Try to sue for the money back later. :-)
That ship is going nowhere...
If you feel that strongly, please take yourself off to Turkey and join the Kurds instead of hiding in Europe and criticizing your betters.
Or return to Uruguay and start another revolution.
Now back to the Libertad....PLEASE !
Gringo palangana, my sympathy is towards the women and children your heroic troops kill without a second thought...
keep the ship in your arse same with the islands...don't worth too much!
So, basically you need to kill more people than a murderous fascist dictatorship before you stop? How many did you kill in Vietnam, now that we are talking old days? Korea?
shut up you stupid child!
“, now that we are talking old days? Korea?”
Moron, the Korean “police action” would have ended quickly, but Mao saw it as an opportunity to “bleed America” and did what he could to exploit the situation - maximum US and S. Korean civilian casualties. North Korean military and civilian casualties too, weakening N. Korea and making them dependent on China's favour. Mao was even trying to provoke thebUS into discrediting themselves by using an A-bomb against a civilian population.
Eisenhower did not bite.
Mao, one of your favourite Dictators??
He hated the West like you, and sacrificed 60m of his countrymen to 'consolidate' China.
You would have liked Mao - an expert in propaganda and revisionist history.
:-)
You want to exchange insults as well, gringuito?
Mao is responsible for the people he ordered killed, take responsability for yours. The difference between our dictators murderous aspects and you leaders ditto, is that ours were forced upon us, you chose yours.
Typical Argie troll aren't you !! That was a rhetorical question.
“ not MY fault I was a murdering Dick, I had to - the Brits forced me!”
YOU are responsible for your actions. Look at yourself first, before you blame others.
Anyway, back on topic:
Figure out now, what is the morally correct way to proceed with the ship that was seized for your failure to repay a loan that had Argentine assets put up as collateral.
How do feel about ripping off your own countrymen twice, a significant percentage of shareholders in the “vulture funds” are middle-class Argentinians.
The poorer working-class Argentinians have been condemned to stay that way due to CFK's credit diwngrade and the ruin of the economy.
Gringo gusano, you know what a dictatorship is, don't you? You don't vote a dictator into power, gringuito. But you knew that, didn't you? You are just trying to cover your gov's murdering of children with what some scumbags like youeselves did some 30 yesrs ago...
Whatever you feel the West is covering up has been exposed by smarter people than you, and has it is being dealt with, publicly.
Whst you accuse Britain of doing “30 years ago”, two generations ago, or further back... , are things YOU are currently doing, yourselves. You have concious control over your own immoral acts, but you attempt to say you are forced into them.
You just did vote a Dictator into power. CFK, the honourable widow :-)
Perhaps you call her a 'Dominatrix', you and BK , PH, and Sussie-boy are so titillated by her.
CFK has become a Dictator and is currently changing the constitution to keep herself there, while she takes away more and more of your liberties - currency clamp, privacy invasion, travel restrictions - RG passports rescinded next, right?, Internet censoring, press censorship and intimidation, intimidation of border services personnel, and whatever next...
This not to mention influencing judges and courts and treating Argentina as her personal piggy-bank.
How about taking some of the money you owe out of CFK's handbag and getting the ship back for the people of Argentina - the ones that still have pride????
Gringo tarado, you mean like you dealt with Assange?
“Just a piece of truth up your face...”
Brilliant !... NOT !! LOL
ok, enough of this time wasting. I have to go now and set up the Hallowe'en lights and decorations for the kids.
Some of their costumes are really adorable.
Guzz, what are you going as, a Troll ??
:-D
Gringo agrandado, yes as a matter of fact, so please send me a photo of you smiling...
If you expect me to respond to a fabricated website then you will be disappointed.
I do deplore the killing of women and children by their rulers, which seems very popoular in Muslimist countries tgw stoning them when they are raped and mutilating little girls genitals. That’s your ‘men’ of the desert for you.
How many times do you need to hear it for it to sink and settle, old man? I don't support religious fanatism in any way. Ever.
Which is not the same as to defend or neglect the atrocities made by US and UK soldiers in the middle east. I dare you to google the names of the victims in the “fabricated” site. By the way, I also posted a link of Amnesty Intl with 6 cases of British atrocities in the Middle East. Coincidentially the same names as in the “fabricated” site...
Well, lets just shoot their kids then, that should help! Gringo chiflado...
Well, that's a stupid comment!
Chris and Poppy won the debate so you're petulently making a lame joke about shooting children...
I expected better from you, but you are a troll.
You make sussie look like the 'Smart One',now.
Hey ALEX, are you as impotent in bed as your are on this forum ??
LOL !!
ps. That's just a rhetorical question, we are not really interested :-)
Please send in Guzz and Sussie next, with their own particular rants . Yours are getting boring. They seem to be much smarter than you anyway.
Argentine people must be real cowards if they are afraid of a few missiles that have a range of about 5 miles.
Oooh scary. Pathetic. But why should it bother you, safetly tucked away in Canada?
But I tell you what. Argentina can have the Maldives, you'll just have to fight the people of the Maldives for them.
I assume you mean the Maldives as I can't find any reference to these mythical 'Malvinas' on any map.
Hey, Alex PH, when your beloved 'Dear Leader' is hanging from a lamppost in the Plaza de Mayo, after being strung up there by a mob of angry Argentine citizens, will you be glad that you actually live in Canada, and don't have to face that angry mob yourself?
By the way, Ghana still has the Argentine Navy's flag ship. How humiliating. JAJAJAJAJAJAJAJA!!
At least the Germans apologised for invading other people's countries .
What's the difference between Tibet and Argentina ?
Tibet has never had the flagship of it's navy sordidly reposssesed in an african port .
How many argentines do you need to hold free and fair elections ?
Don't know , it's never been tried .
What have Argentina and and a long playing record got in common ?
33 revolutions per minute .
How can you tell you have been burgled by argentines ?
The've killed your sheep , shat all over the place , laid mines everywhere
and when caught they spend the next 30 years trying to convince the magistrate they were burgling their own house .
You might disagree, but Amnesty and your own BBC (yes the children channel) reports it is correct...
“@129 ”Guzz , post a western media report,on the planned murdering of women and children in Iraq by the Uk army!!! Not friendly fire or accidents, proven murdering of women and children!!! Await your findings“
Guzz replies:
”www.britisharmykillings.org.uk/category/1/Crimes-in-Iraq
You might disagree, but Amnesty and your own BBC (yes the children channel) reports it is correct.“..
Gee, Guzzano, did you just do a quick 'Google' ???
this does not seem to be a ”Western Media Report“, Its some independent unsubstantiated webpage by an individual with a hatred for the British army in Ireland.
No ” BBC AGREES”, either...
Fail !!! - no sweeties !
Here, have a look at your own TCC (BBC in the UK)
Link to full Amnesty Intl report in page
news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/3703213.stm
Touché ;)
“test their missiles in our land and not consider our safety in Argentina”
Simple mathematics for you so you can sleep safely (should you decide to live in Argentina).
The self defence (they are designed to shoot down aircraft attacking targets in their immediate vicinity) missiles have a range of 4 miles.
Argentina is nearly 400 miles away from the Falkland Islands.
Any bonehead who knows basic maths (obviously you cannot count), knows that ground to air missiles cannot threaten Argentinas landmass, over 3oo-400 miles away.
Argentina is quite safe from these missiles, unless they attack the Falklands using strike aircraft , in which case there will be no need for the officers mess to put back a meal in Argentina as it will not be neccesary when the pilots do not return.
Why don't you buy a calculator, or go to a evening class to learn basic mathematics?
“sad that she will end her days rotting away in the mangroves just as so many windjammers did 100 years ago.”
Yes, a heartbreaker for the Argentines.
If only they could pay $3,000 a day to dock her properly.
I guess not, though :-(
CFK could gain a huge PR advantage if she were to pay for that, personally, but we know she does not care.
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