Tuesday, October 30th 2012 - 07:30 UTC

ARA Libertad retained in Ghana has cost Argentina almost 3m dollars

The Argentine navy flagship ARA Libertad impounded in Ghana by US investment funds since 2 October has cost so far over 2.6 million dollars, half of which for the repatriation of the 281 cadets and crewmembers, according to Argentine naval and diplomatic sources quoted in the Buenos Aires media.

Half of the sum was for the repatriation of cadets and crew members

The Air France charter was not cheap: the contract started to click from the moment the aircraft took off for Accra from wherever she was, and then nine hours to Buenos Aires, and the return to origin.

Furthermore several containers with the crew and cadets’ belongings had to be contracted.

The daily cost of servicing ARA Libertad is in the range of 50.000 dollars, although since most of the 325 naval cadets and personnel left and only the captain and 44 sailors remain on board, the bill should have dropped considerably.

Another additional cost is the docking rent, estimated at 3.000 dollars per day, and which should have gone down because the Tema port authorities requested the vessel be moved to a secondary jetty since it was taking up much needed commercial space.

However Argentina refused and the discrepancy is estimated will be part of the litigation.

“Argentina currently is not paying that fee. If it wins the court case and the vessel has to be released there will be no cost and Argentina most certainly will begin a compensation demand against Ghana” anticipated Argentine diplomats.

Furthermore the Navy has to ensure the cadets complete their pending two months training before their graduation that will inevitably become an unforeseeable cost.
Apparently ARA Libertad has 45 days of fuel for the generation of on board power and sufficient food for over a month.

However there was a dispute with local port authorities regarding bunkering which according to Argentine sources, on Accra court orders was not allowed. Tema port authorities deny any impediment to load fuel.

 

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1 toooldtodieyoung (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 07:41 am Report abuse
Like I said before, How long until the Port authorities impound the ship in leau of unpaid docking fee's?

ROCK ---------- ARGENTINA ------------ HARD PLACE
2 Idlehands (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 09:25 am Report abuse
Why doesn't Argentina show the evidence - ie the court order - that disallows them from refuelling?

I assume because they are simply telling porkies to bolster their daft “breach of human rights” claim.
3 Rufus (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 10:10 am Report abuse
My guess is that it's not a court order at all.

More likely, given the lamentable habit of Argentina to somehow not pay it's debts, the Tema Port Authourity would be reluctant to allow them too much credit. Especially as Argentina already isn't paying it's docking fees...
4 brit abroad (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 10:13 am Report abuse
No strategy as usual! Oh..... Except for their “ lets make ourselves look stupid” strategy which they have mastered!
5 nigelpwsmith (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 10:20 am Report abuse
This gets funnier every day. If Argentina doesn't settle their dock bills, then the Ghana courts may entertain yet another claim for non-payment of debts and this time the court will confiscate the ship. It will be an interesting catch for the Ghana Navy because most of their fleet consists of patrol boats and fast attack craft. A sail training ship may offer Ghana the opportunity to train naval personnel from other African nations. Who knows, they might even sell it on the open market and get back the millions the Argentines spent.

Meanwhile, back in the state of denial, the shame on the Argentine government increases. The longer this goes on, the more foolish they appear. The United Nations or the International Courts will not entertain any claims for Human Rights abuses, when the sole cause of the problem is Argentina's refusal to pay their debts, or pay for the upkeep of their naval personnel.

Cannot wait for TMBOA to come up with her next rant that the Argentines are the victims of all this. She's robbing Argentina blind and the Argentines haven't the balls to remove her and put someone honest in power. But when everyone is forced to be 'dishonest' just to get by, then it must be next to impossible to find anyone honest.
6 Viscount Falkland (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 10:28 am Report abuse
They should reflag it with the Union Jack and then get some real protection from their good friends Great Britain.......Ah....that wont work,they won't allow the Falklands flag to be flown in any South American port and they would impound any Falkland ship going into an Argentine port.......well zipperdy doo dah. This looks very satisfying from our Falkland point of view and now Argentine flagged ships are scared to go into any port, any where in the world.......well zipperdy doo dah !!! :-)))
7 Guzz (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 10:51 am Report abuse
Reflag HMS Bounty, that would be a more symbolic act :)))))
8 brit abroad (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 11:03 am Report abuse
I was never a thatcher fan, but she wouldnt have let thos happen! I believe that Kfc wants to be a thatcher/evita style woman but hasnt the skill, grace or balls! Shell be forgotten pretty quickly with few histories written about her and no musicals! Basically the best she'll get is a flea ridden dog waving its tail before it pisses on her leg. ...... And thats if shes lucky!

Where is the strategy? Where is the spunk?

So sad that the RG navy werent told to bolt it ! It would have illustrated pride, strength, big cohones and could have given the old Moo reason to buy a new dress and start flexing!!!
9 agent999 (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 11:11 am Report abuse
@7

That a bit of poor taste, even for you Guzz, with the loss of life that has occurred.
10 brit abroad (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 11:14 am Report abuse
He has no taste nor grace and very clearly no understanding! Probably a 14 yo with only a sticky picture of kfc stuck under his pillow!
11 ChrisR (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 11:22 am Report abuse
“Apparently ARA Libertad has 45 days of fuel for the generation of on board power and sufficient food for over a month.”

Well we always knew the argies were lying as usual and this proves their claims about human rights to be the usual bollocks from Timidman.

I cannot imagine that Ghana will seize the ship just for non-payment of USD 3,000 per day when Singer has already offered to pay the costs.

I am still puzzled as to why Singer has not applied for a Warrant Of Possession and remove the ship.

AG will not be going to any International Court over this and if they did there is a VERY good chance they would lose again.

Just more laughs for us at the expense of TMBOA.
12 Idlehands (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 11:22 am Report abuse
The Bounty lost the captain and a female crew member. There's been some incredible footage from NY. Not on the scale of Japan but still terrible. Who parks their car in an underground car park when severe flooding is imminent?? Those that don't believe in gravity?
13 Pirate Love (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 11:29 am Report abuse
and still......Argentina is still without its flaghip, with mounting costs, how embrassing for argentines, more of the same please..... :)

SELF-DETERMINATION! you cant beat it!
14 Frank (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 11:31 am Report abuse
Libertad Captain.... 'Can we have some fuel please?'
Tema Port 'OK... cash only..up front..'
LC 'Here you go'.... hands over some cash'
Tema Port ' Ta... we will credit that to your outstanding port dues....'
Libertad Captain.... 'Can we have some fuel please?'
Tema Port 'OK... cash only..up front..'
LC 'Here you go'.... hands over some cash'
Tema Port ' Ta... we will credit that to your outstanding port dues....'
Libertad Captain.... 'Can we have some fuel please?'
Tema Port 'OK... cash only..up front..'
LC 'Here you go'.... hands over some cash'
Tema Port ' Ta... we will credit that to your outstanding port dues....'
Libertad Captain.... 'Can we have some fuel please?'
Tema Port 'OK... cash only..up front..'
LC 'Here you go'.... hands over some cash'
Tema Port ' Ta... we will credit that to your outstanding port dues....'
and so it goes on and on in Tema
15 brit abroad (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 11:32 am Report abuse
Pirates rule!!!!!!!
16 surfer (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 12:10 pm Report abuse
Didn't NML offer to fly them home?
17 Guzz (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 12:14 pm Report abuse
The Bounty crew? I think they swam...
18 agent999 (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 12:28 pm Report abuse
Guzz
abcnews.go.com/US/hurricane-sandy-woman-dies-tall-ship-hms-bounty/story?id=17595062#.UI-rrIY_w8A
19 Viscount Falkland (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 01:01 pm Report abuse
The Duke of Kent is on his way down to visit the Falklands and maybe he could drop by and offer his services as a good will gesture and mediate for the Argentine government as they are not doing a very good job so far ! How come we have not heard any protests about the Duke's visit......., are they enjoying pro-longed siesta's?, have they lost interest? or do them have bigger self induced problemas en la Casa de la Rosada ?
20 brit abroad (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 01:02 pm Report abuse
Gizz head! Do u suck and swallow humilation for fun?
21 Conqueror (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 01:13 pm Report abuse
@7 Doesn't exist. It was burned in 1790.
@8 “So sad that the RG navy werent told to bolt it”. argieland is “victimised” by weather!
@11 Are you sure? That's US$87,000 already. Plus the US$50,000 per day for servicing for all the time before the cadets were “evacuated”. That's another US$1,050,000. Using only arithmetic, the daily servicing cost might have gone down to US$7,000. So every day would be US$10,000. Will CFK pay out of her own handbag?
22 wangito (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 01:17 pm Report abuse
That is going to be an interesting court case...
Un-paid bills will call for bankrupcy? Well, I don't thinks so, what I am sure of is, that if you always wanted a beautiful tall ship that you can't live without, prepare to auction one. CFK will go down in history as the first world president that sold his country pride for stupidity.
As the deposit required by MNL was $10M it will most probably be sold for less than that. What a deal...
23 brit abroad (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 01:27 pm Report abuse
Guzz king of the jungle! Do u know the secret of brits great piracy power or how to make fire? You want a brit cub to give ya clue ooh ooh ooh?
24 British_Kirchnerist (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 02:02 pm Report abuse
#8 Cristina has the balls, and the smarts, to resolve this, just wait and see.

The idea it could be impounded for unpaid bills for the “privilege”of using the port its been incarcerated in, once Singer's case is thrown out, is just a fantasy, Ghana and Singer will be sued for compensation
25 Captain Poppy (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 03:47 pm Report abuse
BK tell me, where is SInger's case going to be thrown out? is the cunt still thinking she can purchase justice? You should know as an obedient RG troll that justice is seldom purchased outside of south america.
26 nigelpwsmith (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 03:49 pm Report abuse
I would say that the statement that Argentina intends to sue Ghana for compensation will settle the case - in favour of NML Capital and Ghana.

The judges know full well that Argentina relinquished their sovereign immunity when they signed the bonds. Argentina reneged on the bonds and NML Capital holds judgements against Argentina in both New York and London. As far as the Ghana judges are concerned, it is quite obvious that if Argentina wants their ship back, they had better pay the bill. The longer the ship remains in port, the higher the port fees they will rack up and the more certain that the Judge will decide against Argentina.

Talk about digging your own grave.

The Argentine Government have exhibited the sort of stupidity only seen in lunatic asylums. TMBOA wont pay, because she's a corrupt idiot who wants all the US dollars for herself and her cronies and the Argentine people haven't the balls to remove her from office. They deserve to be robbed blind.
27 Idlehands (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 04:00 pm Report abuse
CFK is the Black Knight of Monty Python fame.

Anyone who's seen it will know exactly what I mean - even the Argentine posters.
28 Rufus (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 04:12 pm Report abuse
@7 As Conqueror points out, HMS Bounty was burnt in 1790. This particular Bounty was a US flagged vessel that was built about 1960.

I think had only been to the UK a couple of times to visit.

Incidentally, as things stand, there is one crewmember confirmed dead and the captain missing (who almost certainly won't be found at all, let alone alive) - both American, not British, Ghanaian or Argentine.

Do you really believe that you're comments are in good taste?
29 Pirat-Hunter (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 04:15 pm Report abuse
A hefty 50% vulture tax on all imports coming from nations giving help and refuge to vulture founds should send a clear message to pirates and their helpers, if you target Argentina! Argentines will get their money back. Slowly but surely. Or we can expropriate the US embassy for their support to theft from Argentina's tax payers.
30 coldo (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 04:18 pm Report abuse
The ship is impounded at the port and being charge for the daily cost or mooring the vessel. What I don’t understand is how can the harbour master (or person of similar position) not order the vessel is to be moved regardless of the Argentine demands. Surly this is like a car park when you hand your keys in. If they need to move your car they can do so to allow for more cars to be parked. Taking that analogy further this surly must be like impounding a car for parking illegally. They can simply remove it to the impound lot until such time as the owner stumps up the cash to have it freed or it is sold on to new owners?
31 Guzz (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 04:18 pm Report abuse
you kill civilians from helicopters, and now you want me to mourn your dead?
32 Idlehands (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 04:19 pm Report abuse
29 Pirat-Hunter - a typical Argentine attitude.

Has it not occured to you that companies woul simply not export to Argentina?
33 ElaineB (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 04:19 pm Report abuse
@27 She has phoned in sick again. I am not surprised. She will become increasingly sick as she looks for a way to leave office asap.
34 Idlehands (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 04:21 pm Report abuse
More low blood pressure - maybe she should resign through ill health to try and salvage what little is left of the Kirchner legacy.
35 coldo (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 04:28 pm Report abuse
@29

Seriously… Do you think the way to resolve this is to upset one of the most powerful nations in the world by expropriating their embassy or buy taxing nations who provide much needed commerce to your country?

By your logic I should contact my credit card company telling then I can’t afford to reply the balance on my card even though I can and demanding they actually now pay me for the hassle it is causing me not being able to spend more money on their card!
36 Captain Poppy (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 04:35 pm Report abuse
#32 ph bvrain stem has become distconnected. Besides....he is no longer an RG, he is Candian.

#27 who was the knight that kept on getting his limbs hacked off, but still trying to march on?
37 Conqueror (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 04:38 pm Report abuse
@24 Is that your great “insight”? Or did you just re-word “Argentina currently is not paying that fee. If it wins the court case and the vessel has to be released there will be no cost and Argentina most certainly will begin a compensation demand against Ghana” anticipated Argentine diplomats.“ Did you notice that teensy-weensy but so important word: ”if“? What's argieland's track record for ”winning“ in the full glare of publicity? They've tried defending this in court. They've tried political arm-twisting. Singer should be able to afford the best lawyers in the world. As I see this case at present, the score is NML 2 argies 0. Will it be three strikes and you're out? Foolishly, the argie Economy Minister is saying that argieland will never pay the hedge funds. That should persuade Singer to take the boat. Another character flaw of argies. Big mouths. Bit like the Falklands War really. ”We have won!“ ”We have won!“ ”We have won!“ ”Oh, we surrendered!”
@29 Your desperation is showing, alex. Here's the way it works. Your favourite country tried this, forgetting that it had waived the immunity of its assets. The U.S. isn't as stupid as your lot. The Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations protects the buildings used officially by embassies for diplomatic purposes. So, not a chance!
@31 Did you not kill civilians with helicopters? And, no, I don't believe you're Uruguayan.
38 Idlehands (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 04:41 pm Report abuse
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Knight_(Monty_Python)
39 Pirat-Hunter (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 04:50 pm Report abuse
#26 i like the way you put it “IF” Argentina wants the old relic back we will pay the ransom and give into blackmail, but i think Argentina will be better of setting a import tax of 50% on all nations helping and giving refuge to vulture funds rather then give into blackmail.
#32 yes it occurred to me that company's importing from rogue nations will stop trading with Argentina and that is the goal, not to trade with nation giving help and refuge to vultures, all nations will have to desire to help the vulture for a stake in the ransom or keep good trade relations with a food exporter. The choice is clear i-pads or food! Before you respond, let me remind you that humanity made it thus far without I-pads, I hear places like Sudan still working in finding a way to survive with out food, hundreds of years of world hunger and it still not possible. Now! Don't Ask again if I care to trade with rogue nations, the answer is a big flat NO.
#30 I think you would understand things better if you read about the Troyan horse and white elephants. I predicted the long term plan but all of it was too obvious to miss, I though the vulture had it all figured out but they didn't think CFK wasn't going to pay ransom or give into blackmail, good for Argentina when people try to push you around you dig in your hills and push them back into their senses.
40 Idlehands (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 04:53 pm Report abuse
All those in favour of Argentina implementing Pirat-Hunters policies raise their hand.

I think they are fabulous ideas and you should stand for election on that manifesto at the soonest opportunity.

Armchair and popcorn sales will skyrocket
41 Captain Poppy (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 04:54 pm Report abuse
Out for low blood pressure.....on a positive note.....this can be signs of myocarditis or aortic stenosis, pancreatitis, diverticulitis or my favorite
aortic aneuryism
42 ChrisR (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 05:26 pm Report abuse
17 Guzz

I am both amazed and disguted by your remarks concerning the Bounty.

You tell us that you are a trainee Marine Engineer no less, yet you break the first rule of the sea: you support others at peril, irrespective.

You should really consider getting a job, not a profession that you have demonstrated you are totally unsuitable for.
43 Viscount Falkland (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 05:49 pm Report abuse
If the ARA Libertad came up for auction we could buy it for the people of the Falkland Islands and rename her....Suggestions please
44 Captain Poppy (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 05:55 pm Report abuse
Guzz is a wannbe human.....forgive he. He pretends to wannbe a Merchant Seaman..with wiper endorsement......aka a snipe. Why do they call them wipers? from the days a lowly stood around th shaft wiping oil on it.....lol. A wiper maybe.....engineer.....hardly....a seafarer......never.
45 ynsere (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 07:24 pm Report abuse
Conqueror @ 37
As far as I know the only time the Uruguayan military killed civilians with helicopters was an accident in 1971 during an exhibition on the seafront of the Montevideo neighbourhood of Pocitos.
www.taringa.net/posts/.../Accidente-aereo-1971-en-Montevideo.html
46 briton (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 07:34 pm Report abuse
The two main points here,
1, do you like being humiliated and shamed, [yes]
2, will it effect the mighty CFK, [ yes]
Do the right thing,
Pay the debt, and stop humiliating your country.

Still,
As she does not care, what the heck.
.
47 Pugol-H (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 07:55 pm Report abuse
I suspect the bunkering dispute is a question of cash up front, things tend to work that way in much of Africa.

It is looking increasingly unlikely Argentina is ever going to get the ship back.

The bills will have to be paid, and possession is 9/10ths of the law in a case like this.

Unless of course there is a humiliating climb down, by someone!!!
48 toooldtodieyoung (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 08:01 pm Report abuse
31 Guzz

Argentinians throw their own people from planes 30,000 of them....... Including two nuns.

What is your point?

who is the biggest bad guy?

Well, wasn't it Hitler and the members of the Nazi party that Argentina help to hide at the end of the second world war?

OR Stalin who Tortured and sent untold millions of his own to the salt mines?

or pol pot?

Or Saddam Hussian?

The fact is that the UK / America don't try and hide what they've done. We hold our hands up and say sorry whereas all of the above tried to do it out of sight.

You seem to forget that EVERY human life is precious. The taking of human life is a GREAT responsibility and should not be done lightly or on whim. Every life lost is a Tragedy. Even those lives lost in the Falklands war of 1982. The British did not take joy in the killing.

You write in words of hate and only manage to embarrass yourself and get others to HATE you. Why?

Do you think before you post? or is thinking something that other people do? You write the words but I wonder, do you actually understand them?
49 briton (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 08:02 pm Report abuse
Ah, but will she try to use this at Christmas,
You know, the old, its all their fault, missing there families, Ghana should let it go, ect ect .
Good will to all debtors and all that,

Still,
She has to get past bonfire night first …

pay up,
50 slattzzz (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 08:08 pm Report abuse
@31 where as you throw civilians out of them...............you dick
51 Guzz (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 08:11 pm Report abuse
You bunch of hypocrits, you!
Why aren't you as fervent defending the Iraqi children your troops are killing?
Isn't their lives as precious as you define it?
You sicken me with your double morals.
If you want to pretend to defend life, then defend life dammit, not your own ones!
Disgusting pieces of crap, the whole bunch of you!!!
52 Troy Tempest (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 08:13 pm Report abuse
@43

HMFS REVENGE !!
53 slattzzz (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 08:16 pm Report abuse
@51 we left Iraq years ago mate, they are now in the process of wiping each other out...............you are needing a lay down
54 briton (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 08:19 pm Report abuse
51 Guzz
relax

you know very well british troops do not murder anyone,
least of all women and children, unless you can prove otherwise.

relax.
55 Captain Poppy (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 08:29 pm Report abuse
Guzz....where were you defending the women and child of Iraq during the Iran/Iraq war? Whose side did you defend? Were were standing up the the senseless carnage of ....Saddam when he chemically gassed 1,500 woimen and child in Dujail in 1982? Were you defending the Kurds when he killed upwards of 182,000 during tha Anfal campaign. Were you defending the innocent women and children from Saddam in March of 1988 when he used mustard gas on 5,000 women and children....where were you then? Get something straight to fucking wetback spic wannabe.......until you really understand what targeted killing of inncoent people are....shut your fucking worthless indian mouth. Your previous and current leaders know a lot about killing there own innocents.
56 Guzz (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 08:32 pm Report abuse
50
How do you think I ended up here in the 1st place, scum?
What did you do to stop the SA military from commiting crimes against humanity?
You talk a lot today, but what back then?
I lost too many relatives fighting the dictatorship to listen to your drivel, scum!
Study history before you open your good for nothing mouth. Scum!

54
Again, again

www.britisharmykillings.org.uk/category/1/Crimes-in-Iraq
57 slattzzz (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 08:36 pm Report abuse
@51 says guzz leading the good life in northern europe whilst the country he supports so fiercly goes down the tubes, we sicken you, we have double standards? Take a good look at yourself in the mirror matey. You constantly lie about who and what you are, you and the country you so strongly defend do nothing about all the situations that you gob off about (except talk). I suggest you are the piece of crap!!
58 Guzz (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 08:40 pm
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59 briton (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 08:44 pm Report abuse
again,
still no proof
60 slattzzz (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 08:51 pm
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61 toooldtodieyoung (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 08:54 pm Report abuse
51 Guzz

Hate, hate, hate!!! Hate has clouded your mind Guzz... Please try and keep up. The British army is not in Iraq anymore.

It would appear that you know little, if anything of South America. You say you are “Uruguayan to the last bone of my body” and yet you live in Denmark...... Sweden? You haven't actually decided that one yet have you?

As for “I lost too many relatives fighting the dictatorship to listen to your drivel” Which one?

and as for “Study history before you open your good for nothing mouth” why don't you take your own advice? Stop telling lies.

Like TTT before you what are you afraid of? Are you hiding from something or someone or yourself?
62 Guzz (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 08:57 pm Report abuse
55
Sorry Gringo insolente, was too young to know what the world was up to back then.

60
So wiseguy, just because Saddam was a murderer and a piece of shit, you are allowed to kill children?
63 briton (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 09:00 pm Report abuse
you are digging a hole.
64 Guzz (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 09:06 pm Report abuse
Briton

www.britisharmykillings.org.uk/category/1/Crimes-in-Iraq

www.britisharmykillings.org.uk/category/1/Crimes-in-Iraq

www.britisharmykillings.org.uk/category/1/Crimes-in-Iraq

www.britisharmykillings.org.uk/category/1/Crimes-in-Iraq

www.britisharmykillings.org.uk/category/1/Crimes-in-Iraq

www.britisharmykillings.org.uk/category/1/Crimes-in-Iraq

www.britisharmykillings.org.uk/category/1/Crimes-in-Iraq

Get that? Your killings of civilians are so wide-spread, they had to divide them into categories!!!
65 slattzzz (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 09:18 pm Report abuse
@62 oh well guzz if you can't see the message, and were too young in 1982 perhaps you shouldn't be on here preaching the rights and wrongs of what the UK/US have done / are doing to the world. You make it sound as if we kill children for fun, ask yourself how many children have been killed by the Taliban, shall I help you
www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-20041073
www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2012/09/2012918124140212587.html. All civilian casualties caused by NATO are 98% accidental, can you say the same of the Taliban? So you see with the evidence above about Saddam and murdering civilians you are not in a position to spout off you anti UK/US shite. Do some homework and stop making a TIT of yourself
66 ProRG_American (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 09:19 pm Report abuse
“ARA Libertad retained in Ghana has cost Argentina almost 3m dollars”

That's OK, it isn't Argentinas fault. This figure will be forgiven and reversed to Ghana when the international tribunal decides in favor of Argentina.
67 Guzz (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 09:23 pm Report abuse
65
Get this prick, It doesn't matter how many children are killed by murderous sects and madmen, you are STILL not allowed to do the same!!! Got damn, you are defending your right to shoot small girls in the torso because there are religious fanatics out there!!!!

www.britisharmykillings.org.uk/category/1/Crimes-in-Iraq

READ!!!!
Kicking a 17 year old around and throw him into the water so he drowns is accidental??? Fuck you!!!!
68 LEPRecon (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 09:24 pm Report abuse
@64 - Guzz

You really are desperate now to divert this thread, aren't you.

You links are all the same and go to the same site, which isn't an official site, or even one that has been verified or has ant credibility, such as amnesty international. This is one particular group who are basically saying all of the troops involved are guilty, even though they have yet to go to trial, or that they have been investigated and dropped due to lack of evidence or credibility of the witnesses.

The photographs this site are stock photos. In other words the designers and maintainers of this site have trawled the Internet looking for photos tht 'fit' the alleged crime.

Only a sucker would be taken in by this site. A better reflection of what has and i happening would be amnesty international, or actual Ministry of Defence files, which can be requested using the freedom of information act, unless of course the particular incident is still under investigation, which means that it can't be released until after the CPS decides to bring a case or not. I mean, in the interests of justice, we wouldn't want the case prejudiced, would we?

Next you'll be showing the old front page of the mirror from 2005 which showed photographs of the alleged abuse. They turned out to have been faked by a reservist and his friends who hoped to sell them for money, instead they all ended up with prison sentences.

There were some cases of abuse by British troops, these have been investigated. Some troops have been charged and are serving prison sentences, other cases are still being investigated, so the troops involved are considered innocent until proven guilty.

By the way Guzz, Ghana still has the ARA Libertad, and the Argentine government contine to humiliate the Argentine people by not paying their debts.

Try to stay on topic instead of linking to dodgy sites.
69 Troy Tempest (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 09:27 pm Report abuse
”60slatzz

PH Alex has pictures on his FB that suggest his support for a list of dictators, Ghaddaffy, Taliban, Saddam, Syrian gov't, and of course CFK

www.facebook.com/avargas2001

Alex Vargas

www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=332871196758497&set=pb.100001068575678.-2207520000.1350436
70 Guzz (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 09:33 pm Report abuse
68
Google their names, you bloody denier. Come on, google their names 1 by 1!!! Don't bloody address me until you've googled their names!!
71 slattzzz (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 09:34 pm Report abuse
@67 Get this prick google the editor of that website a Mr Karl Winn and then come back and tell me if you think he's the full shilling or in anyway a reliable source of your shit info, or in fact any info, the mans a complete and utter tool. But heyho if you believe it you must be a tool as well.
72 Guzz (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 09:36 pm Report abuse
71
70 goes for you as well, prick
73 slattzzz (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 09:38 pm Report abuse
Guzz google his fuckin name the man is a top class fraudster, does the truth hurt you or something
74 Guzz (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 09:45 pm Report abuse
You want amnesty intl?

www.amnesty.org.uk/news_details.asp?NewsID=19567
75 Troy Tempest (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 09:53 pm Report abuse
68 LEP

Thx, LEP, good little exposé of deceitful dirty Troll tactics.
76 slattzzz (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 10:05 pm Report abuse
@74 6 cases is that it? your best arguement, tell that to the civilians killed by suicide bombers, the reporters familys watching thier loved one beheaded on live television, public executions in Basra and Bahgdad of women and children for speaking to coalition forces, Shias killing Sunnis and vice versa, your arguement is weak, non factual and so one sided it's beyond belief. The other link you posted ref Mr Winn, he is and always has been an IRA supporter and anti British this has been reported many times in the British press, in fact he was quoted as saying he would hire a peadophile rather than an ex serviceman, so that shows his true stance and lack of morals, so anything he puts on a website will reflect that point, please do some homework before making yourself look stupid, because thats what your doing, if you google something at least read it to find out it's content and check it's validility
77 Guzz (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 10:09 pm Report abuse
So anti British people are automatically wrong? Are you allowed to kill children because Shia is fighting Sunni? You are defending the murdering of children, you sick bastard!! Lowlife piece of shit, I'm done with you.
78 slattzzz (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 10:20 pm Report abuse
@77 I didn't say they were wrong, they are intitled to thier point of view as am I, and I would never defend the killing of ANY INNOCENT civilian, what i won't stand for is someone like you slagging us off when the biggest culprits of civilian deaths in any of the conflicts you keep on about is the people themselves, killing thier own at the drop of a hat, lowlife pieces of shit, try watching the news about Syria, Libya etc etc, Mind you rgenweener has a history of that shit eh? I'm done with you my little ships cat. :O)
79 British_Kirchnerist (#) Oct 31st, 2012 - 12:28 am Report abuse
#25 Its Singer I suspect of purchasing “justice”. Unless you think the people of Ghana and Africa are famous supporters of vulture funds...

#33 Sad to hear that, hope she gets better soon, my heart goes out to her. But if you think that means you'll still be rid of her, think again - she'll be outshining you in beauty and intellect (oh and staying President too!) for years to come =)
80 briton (#) Oct 31st, 2012 - 12:39 am Report abuse
77

Guz you are letting your anti run away with you.

Ok, lets say what you say is true,
And in time they will hopefully be arrested and punished,

But hang on just a mo,
199 countries in the world,
Last year alone, hundreds of thousands died for one reason or another,
Terrorist, murderers , freedom fighters,
An awful lot of African countries committing massive atrocities, beyond belief,
Iraq leaders slaughtering their people, even today, they are blowing them selves into jigsaw puzzles,
The same in Egypt , Eden , Somalia , Syria , even in south America, gangs are killing unarmed civilians,
All over the world,
Still,

Why you blame only the British, is anyone’s guess,
But it will solve nothing,
But hey, why cant we all live like Argentineans, all law-abiding people, crime none existent ,
All go to church on Sunday,
A paradise perhaps,
Bullshit,
The brits overall are no better and no worse than others,
So please don’t blame all the worlds’ bad habits on the British,
By standing on a peddle stole.
Argentina is no more innocent than others, in killing civilians….
…………………
.
81 Guzz (#) Oct 31st, 2012 - 12:47 am Report abuse
Briton
I don't blame the Brits, I blame the murderers. In this case, they happen to be Brits.
Long time ago, we fought our own military, back then, they were the murderers. It's not about nationality, it's about decency. Bring me redpoll, and I will tell him his truths as well, and he is my countryman...
82 briton (#) Oct 31st, 2012 - 12:58 am Report abuse
Their is far to much unwanted violence,

Many reasons but no excuses.
We live in a very sad world,

But having said that.
What do you do when others ask for help.
We went into Iraq and afghan, and what happened is for the world to see,

Yet we refuse to enter Syria, and the slaughter goes on,
They now [apparently]
Hate the west, for not helping,[we mean troops]
Just what do you do,
And we have Iran knocking at the door, with a Israel next door, waiting to pounce,

Yep a sad world.
83 Islander1 (#) Oct 31st, 2012 - 01:10 am Report abuse
Guzz - the other day a younf British soldier recevied a bravery award fro work in Afghanisatn - what for - killing Taliban fanatics who kill their own women just because they dare to want to get educated?
No - he went out - in the middle of a gunfire battle with the Taliban - and rescued 3 young Afghan children who were stuck in the open in the crossfire and in danger of being hit by Taliban fire.

Some murderers!
84 Troy Tempest (#) Oct 31st, 2012 - 01:34 am Report abuse
@83 Islander

Nice bunch, the Taliban.

They shot a 14 yo Pakistani girl in the head for publicly speaking out in support of educating girls.
85 toooldtodieyoung (#) Oct 31st, 2012 - 07:12 am Report abuse
81 Guzz

Yes you do, by your own admission, your own hate for ........well just about everyone on this site has twisted your logic.

A couple of rules to lying ( if you haven't heard them already )

Rule no1:- Don't lie

Rule no2:- If you do lie, don't get caught.

So then Guzz, it would seem that you have broken both rules and the only way for you to regain any respect on this forum would be to re-read my post at 61 ( toooldtodieyoung ) and then answer the questions, honestly................

You can do that can't you? Just answer a question?
86 Guzz (#) Oct 31st, 2012 - 08:36 am Report abuse
Lol Tooold
I don't hate anyone just because you say so :))
And if I did, how would answering a question change that?

Anyway, post 61 states loads of questions... which one do you need an answer to?
87 ynsere (#) Oct 31st, 2012 - 09:12 am Report abuse
In Post 81 Guzz says:
“Long time ago, 'we' fought our own military, back then, they were the murderers.”
If by WE he means the Tupamaros, it's a lie. The Tupamaros only fought a democratically elected government, thus helping bring about the dictatorship. When the dictatorship started, some Tupamaros were suffering terribly in jail, a few were snitching on their mates, most were living the good life in exile (mostly in Sweden, France and Mexico). Very few went to live with their paymasters, Cuba and the USSR.
88 Guzz (#) Oct 31st, 2012 - 11:14 am Report abuse
ynsere
Your “democratically elected government” sent the police on demostrating students, were they shot and killed Liber Arce (1968), an action that triggered the armed resistance against your “democratically elected government”. Before that, your “democratically elected president”, Jorge Pacheco, had enforced a state of emergency, repealing all constitutional safeguards. This meant the emprisoning and torturing of civilians.
Historical fact.
89 British_Kirchnerist (#) Oct 31st, 2012 - 11:52 am Report abuse
#88 Yes and then handed power to Bordaberry, who declared himself a fascist, right?
90 Guzz (#) Oct 31st, 2012 - 12:47 pm Report abuse
89
Pacheco Areco handpicked his fascist successor, yes indeed

noticiaaldia.com/2011/07/fallece-el-ex-dictador-uruguayo-juan-maria-bordaberry-a-los-83-anos/bordaberryjuanmaria02/

Look at him, nice photo :))))))
91 Captain Poppy (#) Oct 31st, 2012 - 01:10 pm Report abuse
Can someone explain to me why SA has to have armed insurrections to choose leaders?
92 ynsere (#) Oct 31st, 2012 - 03:01 pm Report abuse
Guzz continues to lie.
1. During Communist and Tupamaro-incited mob violence a young untrained policeman was surrounded and shot one of his assailers, called Liber Arce, who became the martyr that every extremist minority movement needs. The Tupamaros had started trying to overthow the democratically elected government years before this incident.
2. Pacheco Areco was the democratically elected vicepresident to President Oscar Gestido. When the latter died, Pacheco Areco became president, in accordance with the consititution. He was granted powers of emergency by parliament, again in accordance with the constitution. These emergency powers were only granted due to Tupamaro terrorism: cold-blooded murder, kidnapping, bank robberies, bombing.
Pacheco Areco attempted a constitutional reform (sound familiar?) to be re-elected; he had insuficient votes and failed. The candidate with the most votes was Juan María Bordaberry. Thus, he was democratically voted in, not handpicked by anyone. Bordaberry later turned against the constitution: treason of even greater infamy than that of the Tupamaros of the time.
A sad but true story, now fortunately behind us. Most Tupamaros changed to such an extent that they are now the democratically elected government, by a clear majority in honest elections. I believe that their relinquishing violence is something to be proud of, especially in the case of those who were tortured.
Guzz one of the tiny group of Uruguayans who are lickspittles of Argentina, but I suppose every country has its traitors and nut jobs.
Unless, of course, he's not Uruguayan at all.
93 Guzz (#) Oct 31st, 2012 - 04:03 pm Report abuse
For anyone interested, google Tupamaros, Pacheco Areco and J M Bordaberry and see for yourselves who's version of history is correct.
94 ChrisR (#) Oct 31st, 2012 - 04:23 pm Report abuse
92 ynsere

Has not Juan María Bordaberry died this year? Not a very nice person to say the least.

Guzz of course is now persona non grata as far as I am concerned with his attitude on the poor devils that lost their lives on the Bounty.

Whilst he used to be a BIT radical, of late he seems to be turning into a true argie troll along the likes of I don’t Think, the SECOND BIGGEST LIAR on MP.

His chance of becoming a Marine Engineer is fading rapidly if he exhibits the character defects he shows on here during his training. It’s almost a self-destruction path that he is on which is robbing some other person from the opportunity for professional training which he seems hell bent on throwing away.

And for what? Is AG going to look after him when he is unemployable? No chance.
95 Guzz (#) Oct 31st, 2012 - 04:29 pm Report abuse
Chris
I have still not heard a word from you condemning the murdering of women and children in Iraq, demanding justice to be made for the families involved and a solid criticism of the murderers involved...
96 Captain Poppy (#) Oct 31st, 2012 - 04:53 pm Report abuse
Guzz you like to ignore real murdering....Guzz....where were you defending the women and child of Iraq during the Iran/Iraq war? Whose side did you defend? Were were standing up the the senseless carnage of ....Saddam when he chemically gassed 1,500 woimen and child in Dujail in 1982? Were you defending the Kurds when he killed upwards of 182,000 during tha Anfal campaign. Were you defending the innocent women and children from Saddam in March of 1988 when he used mustard gas on 5,000 women and children....where were you then? Get something straight to fucking wetback spic wannabe.......until you really understand what targeted killing of inncoent people are....shut your fucking worthless indian mouth. Your previous and current leaders know a lot about killing there own innocents.
97 Clyde15 (#) Oct 31st, 2012 - 05:15 pm Report abuse
We seem to have lost the thread here from post 27 on !
The old ploy of changing the subject totally when the Arg. supporters cannot think of anything to say .
98 Guzz (#) Oct 31st, 2012 - 05:47 pm Report abuse
96
Look gringo insolente, while Saddam was killing innocent kurds in Iraq, he was your best buddy and you lot said NOTHING against it. Not until he opposed your wishes did you start using the kurds as an excuse. What about the kurds in Turkey, do you support their struggle for freedom? I do... Pajero
99 Troy Tempest (#) Oct 31st, 2012 - 06:12 pm Report abuse
On topic again:

The bills for the Libertad keep mounting.

Even if Argentina got it released, they would have to pay harbour fees up front to leave. Try to sue for the money back later. :-)

That ship is going nowhere...
100 Clyde15 (#) Oct 31st, 2012 - 06:20 pm Report abuse
#98
If you feel that strongly, please take yourself off to Turkey and join the Kurds instead of hiding in Europe and criticizing your betters.
Or return to Uruguay and start another revolution.

Now back to the Libertad....PLEASE !
101 Captain Poppy (#) Oct 31st, 2012 - 06:26 pm Report abuse
Shows how little you know....stick you head back up your ass. If you care so much about the Muslims, go over and volunteer to help or shut up as a hypocrit. I guess your sympthies to muslims is based on SA's anti semtism
102 Guzz (#) Oct 31st, 2012 - 07:14 pm Report abuse
101
Gringo palangana, my sympathy is towards the women and children your heroic troops kill without a second thought...
103 Bonita (#) Oct 31st, 2012 - 07:16 pm Report abuse
@ Clyde15
keep the ship in your arse same with the islands...don't worth too much!
104 Santa Fe (#) Oct 31st, 2012 - 07:32 pm Report abuse
102 change the record , don't think we have reached 30,000 murdered in cold blood yet of what was a state organised genocide.
105 Guzz (#) Oct 31st, 2012 - 07:38 pm Report abuse
104
So, basically you need to kill more people than a murderous fascist dictatorship before you stop? How many did you kill in Vietnam, now that we are talking old days? Korea?
106 briton the arse (#) Oct 31st, 2012 - 07:57 pm Report abuse
@82 briton
shut up you stupid child!
107 Troy Tempest (#) Oct 31st, 2012 - 08:21 pm Report abuse
@105 Guzz

“, now that we are talking old days? Korea?”

Moron, the Korean “police action” would have ended quickly, but Mao saw it as an opportunity to “bleed America” and did what he could to exploit the situation - maximum US and S. Korean civilian casualties. North Korean military and civilian casualties too, weakening N. Korea and making them dependent on China's favour. Mao was even trying to provoke thebUS into discrediting themselves by using an A-bomb against a civilian population.

Eisenhower did not bite.

Mao, one of your favourite Dictators??
He hated the West like you, and sacrificed 60m of his countrymen to 'consolidate' China.
You would have liked Mao - an expert in propaganda and revisionist history.

:-)
108 Guzz (#) Oct 31st, 2012 - 08:38 pm Report abuse
107
You want to exchange insults as well, gringuito?
Mao is responsible for the people he ordered killed, take responsability for yours. The difference between our dictators murderous aspects and you leaders ditto, is that ours were forced upon us, you chose yours.
109 Troy Tempest (#) Oct 31st, 2012 - 09:10 pm Report abuse
Forced to be a murdering dick ??

Typical Argie troll aren't you !! That was a rhetorical question.

“ not MY fault I was a murdering Dick, I had to - the Brits forced me!”

YOU are responsible for your actions. Look at yourself first, before you blame others.

Anyway, back on topic:
Figure out now, what is the morally correct way to proceed with the ship that was seized for your failure to repay a loan that had Argentine assets put up as collateral.
How do feel about ripping off your own countrymen twice, a significant percentage of shareholders in the “vulture funds” are middle-class Argentinians.
The poorer working-class Argentinians have been condemned to stay that way due to CFK's credit diwngrade and the ruin of the economy.
110 Guzz (#) Oct 31st, 2012 - 09:16 pm Report abuse
109
Gringo gusano, you know what a dictatorship is, don't you? You don't vote a dictator into power, gringuito. But you knew that, didn't you? You are just trying to cover your gov's murdering of children with what some scumbags like youeselves did some 30 yesrs ago...
111 Captain Poppy (#) Oct 31st, 2012 - 09:28 pm Report abuse
ALL DICTATORS ARE VOTED INTO POWER!!!! TITI, CASTRO, CHUBBY CHAVO, KRUCHEZ, HYILTER....argentina's poster boy.
112 Troy Tempest (#) Oct 31st, 2012 - 09:50 pm Report abuse
@110 guzano

Whatever you feel the West is covering up has been exposed by smarter people than you, and has it is being dealt with, publicly.

Whst you accuse Britain of doing “30 years ago”, two generations ago, or further back... , are things YOU are currently doing, yourselves. You have concious control over your own immoral acts, but you attempt to say you are forced into them.

You just did vote a Dictator into power. CFK, the honourable widow :-)
Perhaps you call her a 'Dominatrix', you and BK , PH, and Sussie-boy are so titillated by her.

CFK has become a Dictator and is currently changing the constitution to keep herself there, while she takes away more and more of your liberties - currency clamp, privacy invasion, travel restrictions - RG passports rescinded next, right?, Internet censoring, press censorship and intimidation, intimidation of border services personnel, and whatever next...

This not to mention influencing judges and courts and treating Argentina as her personal piggy-bank.

How about taking some of the money you owe out of CFK's handbag and getting the ship back for the people of Argentina - the ones that still have pride????
113 Guzz (#) Oct 31st, 2012 - 10:28 pm Report abuse
112
Gringo tarado, you mean like you dealt with Assange?
114 Troy Tempest (#) Oct 31st, 2012 - 10:42 pm Report abuse
Weak reply, Guzzano
115 Guzz (#) Oct 31st, 2012 - 10:47 pm Report abuse
Just a piece of truth up your face...
116 Captain Poppy (#) Oct 31st, 2012 - 11:00 pm Report abuse
Troy internet censorship is already there. My wifes family cannot access some news sites that I've sent them links to.
117 Guzz (#) Oct 31st, 2012 - 11:33 pm Report abuse
Fascist sites might be blocked, yes... Sites that glorifies the murder of children as well, gringo culo roto...
118 Troy Tempest (#) Oct 31st, 2012 - 11:38 pm Report abuse
@115 Guzzano

“Just a piece of truth up your face...”

Brilliant !... NOT !! LOL

ok, enough of this time wasting. I have to go now and set up the Hallowe'en lights and decorations for the kids.

Some of their costumes are really adorable.
Guzz, what are you going as, a Troll ??

:-D
119 Guzz (#) Nov 01st, 2012 - 12:00 am Report abuse
118
Gringo agrandado, yes as a matter of fact, so please send me a photo of you smiling...
120 ChrisR (#) Nov 01st, 2012 - 12:15 am Report abuse
95 Guzz

If you expect me to respond to a fabricated website then you will be disappointed.

I do deplore the killing of women and children by their rulers, which seems very popoular in Muslimist countries tgw stoning them when they are raped and mutilating little girls genitals. That’s your ‘men’ of the desert for you.
121 Guzz (#) Nov 01st, 2012 - 12:22 am Report abuse
120
How many times do you need to hear it for it to sink and settle, old man? I don't support religious fanatism in any way. Ever.
Which is not the same as to defend or neglect the atrocities made by US and UK soldiers in the middle east. I dare you to google the names of the victims in the “fabricated” site. By the way, I also posted a link of Amnesty Intl with 6 cases of British atrocities in the Middle East. Coincidentially the same names as in the “fabricated” site...
122 Captain Poppy (#) Nov 01st, 2012 - 01:38 am Report abuse
Chris when they son people....they typically bury men up to the waist, they are naked. Women are buried up to their chest because they cannot show their breasts, so only their heads get stoned. They are a wonderful breed of people that guzz loves. If they daughters have premarital sex, they are typical beheaded.....their own fathers!
123 Guzz (#) Nov 01st, 2012 - 05:43 am Report abuse
122
Well, lets just shoot their kids then, that should help! Gringo chiflado...
124 Troy Tempest (#) Nov 01st, 2012 - 05:52 am Report abuse
@123 Guzzano

Well, that's a stupid comment!

Chris and Poppy won the debate so you're petulently making a lame joke about shooting children...

I expected better from you, but you are a troll.

You make sussie look like the 'Smart One',now.
125 Pirat-Hunter (#) Nov 01st, 2012 - 03:41 pm Report abuse
I think Argentina saved money by loosing this ship to a 20.000.000.00$ ransom. The ship wasn't even worth 1.000.000.00$ not to mention the cost to maintain a ship who's crew never cut a single pirate. I say we save our tax money and invest in a nuclear defence program 100% made in Argentina. We can't have the illegal aliens in Islands Malvinas Argentina test their missiles in our land and not consider our safety in Argentina, We should consider building a nuclear defence program to keep the british illegal aliens and british war mongers away from Argentina. We demand CFK to close their embassy and sale their offices to the oil company YPF. We love you CFK keep up the good work. Argentina also needs to charge a tax of 50% on all imports coming from nations giving help and refuge to vulture funds.
126 Santa Fe (#) Nov 01st, 2012 - 07:18 pm Report abuse
105... Didn't kill anyone in Vietnam personally neither did the British Army. RG nasty dictatorship that nobody supported in Argentina jajajajaja just like nobody in Germany supported the nazis jajajaja, differnce is we are trying to help and every now and then some citizens get caught up in friendly fire. The difference being RGs planned and plotted and executed 30,000 innocent people., and to make it worse they now deny all responsibility for there actions, the nasty unsupported dictatorship ...jajaja
127 Troy Tempest (#) Nov 01st, 2012 - 10:43 pm Report abuse
@125 PH ALEX VARGAS

Hey ALEX, are you as impotent in bed as your are on this forum ??
LOL !!

ps. That's just a rhetorical question, we are not really interested :-)

Please send in Guzz and Sussie next, with their own particular rants . Yours are getting boring. They seem to be much smarter than you anyway.
128 LEPRecon (#) Nov 02nd, 2012 - 11:10 am Report abuse
@125 - PH

Argentine people must be real cowards if they are afraid of a few missiles that have a range of about 5 miles.

Oooh scary. Pathetic. But why should it bother you, safetly tucked away in Canada?

But I tell you what. Argentina can have the Maldives, you'll just have to fight the people of the Maldives for them.

I assume you mean the Maldives as I can't find any reference to these mythical 'Malvinas' on any map.

Hey, Alex PH, when your beloved 'Dear Leader' is hanging from a lamppost in the Plaza de Mayo, after being strung up there by a mob of angry Argentine citizens, will you be glad that you actually live in Canada, and don't have to face that angry mob yourself?

By the way, Ghana still has the Argentine Navy's flag ship. How humiliating. JAJAJAJAJAJAJAJA!!
129 Santa Fe (#) Nov 02nd, 2012 - 03:04 pm Report abuse
Guzz , post a western media report,on the planned murdering of women and children in Iraq by the Uk army!!! Not friendly fire or accidents, proven murdering of women and children!!! Await your findings
130 Usurping Pirate (#) Nov 02nd, 2012 - 06:24 pm Report abuse
What's the difference between the Germans & the Argentines ?
At least the Germans apologised for invading other people's countries .
What's the difference between Tibet and Argentina ?
Tibet has never had the flagship of it's navy sordidly reposssesed in an african port .
How many argentines do you need to hold free and fair elections ?
Don't know , it's never been tried .
What have Argentina and and a long playing record got in common ?
33 revolutions per minute .
How can you tell you have been burgled by argentines ?
The've killed your sheep , shat all over the place , laid mines everywhere
and when caught they spend the next 30 years trying to convince the magistrate they were burgling their own house .
131 Guzz (#) Nov 04th, 2012 - 08:03 am Report abuse
www.britisharmykillings.org.uk/category/1/Crimes-in-Iraq

You might disagree, but Amnesty and your own BBC (yes the children channel) reports it is correct...
132 Troy Tempest (#) Nov 05th, 2012 - 12:42 am Report abuse
@131 Guzzano

“@129 ”Guzz , post a western media report,on the planned murdering of women and children in Iraq by the Uk army!!! Not friendly fire or accidents, proven murdering of women and children!!! Await your findings“

Guzz replies:
www.britisharmykillings.org.uk/category/1/Crimes-in-Iraq

You might disagree, but Amnesty and your own BBC (yes the children channel) reports it is correct.“..

Gee, Guzzano, did you just do a quick 'Google' ???
this does not seem to be a ”Western Media Report“, Its some independent unsubstantiated webpage by an individual with a hatred for the British army in Ireland.

No ” BBC AGREES”, either...

Fail !!! - no sweeties !
133 Falkland Islands (#) Nov 05th, 2012 - 01:18 am Report abuse
Just looking at guzz's sick comments, I imagine he has little man syndrome or is a poisoned dwarf. Please let me know if I'm right guzz you are only about 5 feet tall. I have met sick twats like you before!
134 Guzz (#) Nov 05th, 2012 - 06:24 am Report abuse
Shat took you so long?
Here, have a look at your own TCC (BBC in the UK)

Link to full Amnesty Intl report in page

news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/3703213.stm

Touché ;)
135 Pete Bog (#) Nov 05th, 2012 - 09:54 am Report abuse
@125
“test their missiles in our land and not consider our safety in Argentina”

Simple mathematics for you so you can sleep safely (should you decide to live in Argentina).
The self defence (they are designed to shoot down aircraft attacking targets in their immediate vicinity) missiles have a range of 4 miles.

Argentina is nearly 400 miles away from the Falkland Islands.

Any bonehead who knows basic maths (obviously you cannot count), knows that ground to air missiles cannot threaten Argentinas landmass, over 3oo-400 miles away.

Argentina is quite safe from these missiles, unless they attack the Falklands using strike aircraft , in which case there will be no need for the officers mess to put back a meal in Argentina as it will not be neccesary when the pilots do not return.

Why don't you buy a calculator, or go to a evening class to learn basic mathematics?
136 Frank (#) Nov 05th, 2012 - 09:53 pm Report abuse
I see they are shifting her to a mud berth... RG lawyers unsuccesfully having argued that it would be dangerous to do so with only 46 crew on board. FMTT.... for a dead ship shift 6 on board would be 2 too many. sad that she should end her days rotting away in the mangroves just as so many windjammers did 100 years ago.
137 Troy Tempest (#) Nov 05th, 2012 - 10:09 pm Report abuse
@136 Frank

“sad that she will end her days rotting away in the mangroves just as so many windjammers did 100 years ago.”

Yes, a heartbreaker for the Argentines.
If only they could pay $3,000 a day to dock her properly.
I guess not, though :-(

CFK could gain a huge PR advantage if she were to pay for that, personally, but we know she does not care.
138 British_Kirchnerist (#) Nov 06th, 2012 - 12:07 am Report abuse
Its absurd Ghana is demanding payment at all, its not like Argentina is requesting the privilege of their facilities, they'd rather be gone! And to transfer them to mud in order to physically rot and destroy the ship, if true, really does show a sickening level of partisanship for the vulture fund, which can't be a popular stance in Africa...
139 Frank (#) Nov 06th, 2012 - 12:37 am Report abuse
BK ..you make lower life forms look smart... she is being put on a less used berth... get a grip... Ghana doesn't want and has no use for RG pesos.. nong

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