Tuesday, October 30th 2012 - 07:34 UTC

Cristina Fernandez ‘dollar-clamp’ is one year old and still going strong

A year ago the administration of President Cristina Fernandez imposed the first of a long chain of foreign money exchange restrictions that have caused a serious impact on the economy, the private sector and other provincial and city governments.

We need the dollars for our importers to buy basic inputs for industry, said the Argentine president

The so called ‘dollar-clamp’ was stared 28 October 2011 with the purpose of controlling the sale of US dollars in the domestic money market and to prevent the growing outflow of capital triggered by the Argentine government unorthodox policies.

The government is also trying to put an end to the long established Argentines’ caution of holding their savings in foreign currency, be it dollars, Euros or metal.

Making it illegal to purchase dollars with the purpose of savings, has also had a terrible impact on the real estate and housing market, which is virtually paralyzed unable to have access to the US dollars which is the money of exchange in this industry.

Although the global crisis is far serious than yet imagined by South American countries which live off commodities exports be it the case of Argentina, Uruguay and even Brazil, these restrictions with the purpose of ensuring a trade surplus and thus limiting the sale of dollars for imports has caused serious bottlenecks in different sectors of the economy, further helping to the slowdown.

While last year the Argentina economy according to official stats expanded at an annual rate of 8.9%, in the second quarter of this year it was almost zero.

“The lack of transparency in the money exchange market is the most feared enemy of investment. In this scenario of uncertainty, the private sector invests insufficiently and this affects the production capacity, and jobs”, warned a recent report from consultants Economia&Regiones.

Dollars can still be purchased in special cases and with a long bureaucratic peregrination: such is the case for tourists travelling overseas, private corporations and city and provincial governments that have issued bonds in foreign currency ruled by overseas courts, and importers.

But the outcome is not always favourable nor arrives on time.

The northern province of Chaco caused an upheaval in the bonds market when unable to obtain dollars it was forced to pay capital and interest in Argentine Pesos. Another province Formosa seems to be on the same path but with a more friendly approach, discussing terms with creditors.

There are also court cases of private companies faced with the same challenge that have paid suppliers and creditors with Pesos instead of dollars.

Obviously this had an immediate reaction in the bonds market and it was pointed out by the risk rating agency Moody’s which underlined the growing concern because the private sector and non central governments are limited in the effective access to US dollars, and on time for honouring contracts.

“It is becoming growingly evident that external financing for Argentine corporations will be out of their reach for quite some time. It is very complicated for local companies to convince foreign investors that putting fresh dollars in Argentina is a good business”, said Anlytica a private consultant.

However foreign exchange restrictions did manage to drastically slow down the outflow of capital last year, which was an estimated 21.5 billion dollars, double the 2010 figure.
So far this year and according to the Argentine central bank the outflow of capital is down to 3.5 billion, or 67% less than in 2011.

The foreign currency access restriction which has also had a huge impact for importers has helped Argentina in nine months build a trade surplus sufficiently large to pay for the energy bill, another shortcoming of the Cristina Fernandez administration, and one of the arguments for the nationalization, earlier this year, of YPF, belonging to Spain’s Repsol.

By keeping the price of public utilities rates low or frozen, as with fuels, investment in the sector has fallen drastically and last year Argentina had to import almost 10 billion dollars in natural gas and other fuels.

In a recent speech before the Chamber of Commerce the Argentine president argued that “we need the dollars so our entrepreneurs can purchase and import the basic inputs to keep producing”, and discarded the existence of a ‘dollar-clamp’.

“We keep selling millions of dollars in the formal market” she said supported by some numbers: “in the official dollar market trading totalled 84.76bn dollars of which, 51.7bn for imports; 11.1bn to pay debts by the private sector and 5.9bn to tourists travelling overseas”.

 

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1 toooldtodieyoung (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 07:46 am Report abuse
HappyBirthday!!!! I'm sure everyone in Argentina will want to be out on the streets celebrating this most historic of days!!!

TMBOA / Ol' Turkey Neck / KFC / The Harpy should declare a national holiday so everyone can have a day of and think about the money that they would like to have spent in a country that no longer cares for them.
2 Idlehands (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 07:51 am Report abuse
“There is no dollar clamp” - are there a pre-defined number of times CFK has to say this for Argentines to believe it to be true?

I suggest you all do your own research - go and buy some dollars to prove it isn't true.
3 Guzz (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 07:54 am Report abuse
Do Brits trade in dollars within the UK? No? Then zip it and watch the pesification happen. Vultures!
4 Britworker (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 07:56 am Report abuse
Ahh boo hoo, poor Argies and their silly ship. Lol
5 Idlehands (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 07:58 am Report abuse
“Do Brits trade in dollars within the UK” - if we want to yes - though there's no particular need to.
6 Guzz (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 08:03 am Report abuse
5
So your housing market uses the dollar as currency of exchange? That's bullshit, and you know it. Always these Vrits with their “do as I say, not as I do”.

Watch the pesification happen. Cry if need be.
7 Iron Man (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 08:28 am Report abuse
@6 If our currency was as crap as yours then yes we would use dollars. Since it is stable and inflation is low and we have a AAA rating compared to a B for Argentina, then no need. Do you have any other deflections from the mess you are in or are you going to address the issue instead?
8 Guzz (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 08:31 am Report abuse
7
You better start introducing Yen then, because you are rated A+ with a negative outlook...
9 agent999 (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 08:33 am Report abuse
There is no need or desire of people in the UK to use dollars in the housing market.

It's not the rest of the world that is pushing the Argentinian people to use dollars in the housing market, it has been the wish of the Argentinian people to use dollars.

It makes no difference to any one outside of Argentina as to what currency the Argentinian people use for internal transactions.

External trade is a different matter though and for Argentina it will depend on what what the peso is actually worth on the exchange market.
10 Guzz (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 08:36 am Report abuse
“There is no need or desire of people in the UK to use dollars in the housing market.”

Respect the Argentines that obviously thinks the same about dollars in the Arg housing market...

I'm quite sure the peso will gain in value as soon as it takes over the areas dominated by the dollar :)
11 agent999 (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 08:45 am Report abuse
The people in the UK are free to use dollars if they wish, there is no control on their purchasing of dollars, and there is no need for them to purchase dollars on the black market.

Unfortunately for the Argentinians that wish to use dollars it is no longer an option for them, for those who wish to use dollars they would have to purchase most of these dollars on the black market.

There is little chance of the Argentinian peso taking over any areas “dominated by the dollar”.
12 Iron Man (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 08:48 am Report abuse
@8 S&P and Fitch rate UK AAA while Moody rate it Aaa. If you can find a credible agency with a lower rating please post a source, otherwise we'll be forced to add lying to your cv.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_credit_rating
13 Guzz (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 08:49 am Report abuse
11
“There is little chance of the Argentinian peso taking over any areas “dominated by the dollar”.”

In Argentina? I would've believed you if it wasn't for all that crying...
14 agent999 (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 08:55 am Report abuse
@13
what crying ?
15 Guzz (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 08:58 am Report abuse
12
www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-13518747

14
Look, when SA is doing bad, the world doesn-t care, nobody pays attention. Just look at the military dictatorships.
Now, when we are doing good, all you lot cry about how bad we are.
You are transparent.
16 agent999 (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 09:08 am Report abuse
@15
We are talking about current Argentinian dollar clamp.

You bring up a stupid comment like crying, and explain it with an equally poor explanation.

Many of SA countries may be doing well, but I don't think that that could be equally said of Argentina, this dollar clamp and the current administration is doing them no favours.
17 Guzz (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 09:15 am Report abuse
16
So tell me then, what is this new-found interest of Argentine well-being of yours all about?
Why do you care all of the sudden?
Why didn't you care during the dictatorships?
Why didn't you lot speak up against the sell-out of our countries?

I'll tell you why, it's because you lot gained from it.
Now you do care, and I know why as well, it's because it's hurting your pockets.
Financial crisis, my arse. Get used to it instead.
18 Iron Man (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 09:17 am Report abuse
@15 I said credible. Dagong is not credible compared to the rating agencies I listed. Before you argue, read this from the link you provided:

Obviously this is not one of the main rating agencies that markets pay close attention to,” noted Sarah Hewin, European head of economic research at Standard Chartered.

Sir, you have exposed yourself as an @rse again
19 Guzz (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 09:19 am Report abuse
18
Well, having in mind that the market moved to China, and the Chinese are buying up your debts, I'd say Dagong is the only rating agency that should concern you ;)
20 Idlehands (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 09:23 am Report abuse
If I wanted to sell my home in $US i'd be perfectly entitled to. Whether anyone would pay dollars is another matter - it would just seem a bit odd.

Can't think of a single reason the pantomime in Argentina is hitting Brits or anyone else in their pockets - other than the creditors you refuse to repay.
21 Guzz (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 09:25 am Report abuse
20
The problem isn't being able to buy/sell in dollars, the problem is not being able to do so in pesos...
22 Iron Man (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 09:27 am Report abuse
@19 You're an idiot. That is all.
23 agent999 (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 09:35 am Report abuse
@17
A typical answer to distract.
@21
The problem for Argentinians is the lack of choice as to what the do with their pesos/money.
24 ElaineB (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 09:47 am Report abuse
@23 That is what is causing the most unrest amongst Argentines - they are having their choices taken away step by step. Anyone who has spent any length of time there knows Argentines pride themselves on their rebellious, do-as-they-please attitude.
25 brit abroad (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 10:05 am Report abuse
Guzz,

You really love to show yourself as an arse! Why? Do u enjoy humiliating yourself? Weird!!!!!!

I do love your repetative and more often than not, misguided beliefs! I especially like the fact that u seem to have the self belief that by using the internet as a source of information, that u understand everything and are right! For 1, you know absolutley nothing about china or her economy, and that, my little monkey, is fact!
26 Guzz (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 10:12 am Report abuse
;)
27 brit abroad (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 10:49 am Report abuse
Your CommentOh! Wow! No response?? I will take that as an affirmative regarding you liking to illustrate ureself as an arse! What u doing? Searching google for another one dimensional angle on something irrelevant? Whacking one off to a picture of KFC?
28 Guzz (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 10:55 am Report abuse
Arse, monkey.... There's nothing substancial in your replies. What you want me to do? Start calling you names? :))))
29 yankeeboy (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 11:03 am Report abuse
In Guzzy's bizarro world when something of high demand is restricted it decreases in value and people eventually forget about it. when it is replaced with an inferior product nobody wants.

Where do they teach this econ course UBA?
30 brit abroad (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 11:08 am Report abuse
Hehe cat got your tongue? Grow up! How sad you cant take some very simple name calling (albeit the truth)!

Anyway, re you new post on the article that follows this: the ship in question was a victim of weather, not of idiotic policy and inflated egos! Quite a fucking huge difference!

Back to this thread, please tell us, oh wise monkey, more about china and her place on the economic stage! Try doing it without the power of google!
31 Hook (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 11:15 am Report abuse
Guzz, are you really a prostitute?
32 brit abroad (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 11:21 am Report abuse
Come now! Thats way to flattering! Guzz a prostitute? Please!!!!!! You do him proud!

I envisage him as a very small impish like creature that plays with worms! He has hairy palms, teeth that grow backwards and a foot growing out of his spotty forehead! Basically he doesnt need a halloween costume!
33 Guzz (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 11:22 am Report abuse
Ahahahahahahahahahaha!!!
AAAAAAaaaaaahhahahahahahaaha

*pause*

AAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaahahahahahahahahhaa!!!!!!
34 Hook (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 11:23 am Report abuse
32@haha, good one,,, anyways, that's what she basically told me in Swedish in the other forum
35 brit abroad (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 11:30 am Report abuse
Guzz i am disappointed ! Call giorgio and ask to borrow his thesaurus, but not sure there is an alternative word to “ aaaaaaaahahahaha”!

Guzz you have beautifull proved my point about you being an imbecile! Many thanks and wish you a speedy recovery after your surgery!
36 Room101 (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 11:46 am Report abuse
It's daft to compare the Argentine and British economies.
37 Guzz (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 11:53 am Report abuse
35
Mate, everything is relative, and in your deluded world, being a imbecile is like the famous phrase says;

In the land of the blind, the one-eyed is king

:)
38 brit abroad (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 11:55 am Report abuse
Agree..... Its the same basket with different contents! However, lets compare Navy prowess! heheheheh
39 Guzz (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 11:56 am Report abuse
I hope you made your ships edible :)
40 surfer (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 12:07 pm Report abuse
Yo, a little survey.

What do people reckon is the current ACTUAL yearly inflation rate (CPI) in Argentina?
41 brit abroad (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 12:07 pm Report abuse
Oh guzzz! Erasmus!!! That was easy but guess u needed google! Very deep, however the world is not blind ( proven by you getting a ship impounded by a bailiff .... Hehe) and your one eye is probably impared by the foot dangling from your forhead ( but the bailiff seems to have two eyes and no foot disturbing his vision)

Still waiting for your insight on the chinese economic model and its global impact! Only because you seem to know so much
42 Guzz (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 12:12 pm Report abuse
41
Let me quote Spencer Dale (BoE chief economist) on the UK recession:

“If the handbrake on your car is stuck, putting your foot further and further down on the accelerator won’t get you very far before the car starts to overheat,”

On the global impact of the Chinese economy, just sit down and watch :)
43 Huntsman Extraordinaire (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 12:19 pm Report abuse
@42

I'm watching, and it's almost as funny as watching Argentina squander it's minutes on the Earth. It's economy is slowing, and debt is growning much like most of the rest of the world; as much as they believe they are all mighty and powerful, they are heavily dependent on everyone else buying their cheap and nasty tat. Not to mention all the controversys that are coming out of the wood work suggesting that China could well be in the stum more than they let on. Their rail network is a prime example of that. Not that you would know what that is; I guess that you don't even know what a train looks like these days since they are always on strike!
44 Guzz (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 12:21 pm Report abuse
43
That is your main problem, you guess...
45 Huntsman Extraordinaire (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 12:25 pm Report abuse
@44 You DO know what a train looks like?! Woaw, golden star on the forehead for you. Be careful not to drowl all over it otherwise it will loose it's stick.
46 brit abroad (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 12:27 pm Report abuse
But youre still just quoting and illustrating no argumentor real understanding! Which luxury brands make the most money in china? Which part of the fashion industry has buckled in china? Which industrial area is most likley to expand in the next 10 years? How much retail space will be ready by 2015, and what what is the forcast for retail leasing in the same period? Which 5 main chinese cities are actually bankrupt yet still supported by the government? How many airlines in china are privatley owned? How is the media contolled? How many business related ripts are there in guangzhou yearly (average)?

For the record i have been living in china for 10 years and you no nothing about china!“the art of war”..... a little hint for you!

Now, my little monkey stop quoting, do some research amd give some answers
47 Guzz (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 12:27 pm Report abuse
;)

(only so you can post more stupidities for me to laugh, Huntsman...)
48 Huntsman Extraordinaire (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 12:32 pm Report abuse
@47 it's called sarcasm and whit Guzz, the lowest forms of humour; nothing less than what you and your RG friends deserve.
49 yankeeboy (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 12:32 pm Report abuse
China China China, you talk like it is a paradise and the saviour of South America.

It's banks are bankrupt, huge industries are overstocked but refuse to layoff and 100s of millions are still destitute! The population is old and too many boys so they can't reproduce. It is a mess and they don't know how to fix it.

it just like everyone talking about Japan in the 80s and Russia in the 90 sand then India/Brazil in 00. All media hype with nothing backing them up. Basically they were all overheated economies that have now faltered.

China's meager reserves won't feed the population for very long once civil unrest sets it. You can't keep paying people to make goods no one is buying for very long and they've been doing it for 2-3 yrs now!

I think the new Chinese leadership is going to have a hard time figuring out how to keep this all afloat.
50 Huntsman Extraordinaire (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 12:36 pm Report abuse
@49 good post, you just brought back some nasty images of baby girls thrown in the gutter that I saw back in the days of A Level Geography. Cringe at the thought; thats what happens in a male dominated culture though that has restrictions put in place (I'm male by the way, not some woman's rights nutter about to preach the gospel to you all).
51 Guzz (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 12:40 pm Report abuse
48
That is sarcasm??? Whit?
No, friend, sarcasm is what your parents professed when having you, and whit is what they lacked doing it...
52 Huntsman Extraordinaire (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 12:44 pm Report abuse
@51 elaborate please. I don't get it... your IQ is too low to conseive a properly put together sentence, I'm operating here with an IQ of 142... How does sarcasm get involved when they conceived me if only to spite themselves... What does whit have to do with my parents doing the rumpy pumpy?
53 Guzz (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 12:50 pm Report abuse
52
IQ of 142 what? Roadkills?
“I don't get it...”
I bet that happens a lot... :)
54 Viscount Falkland (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 12:51 pm Report abuse
Speaking of Mensa......The lovely Cristina has been made an honoury member of that other institution that measures IQ called ' Densa '
55 brit abroad (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 12:59 pm Report abuse
GuZz you are the best today! You have managed to prove yourself as an ignorant idiot seven fold! Wheres you wisdom on china please or are you still fumbling through google? Quickly please! Or ignore me and illustrate ure one bifocal vision again
56 Huntsman Extraordinaire (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 01:02 pm Report abuse
@53 You really are incapable of explaining what you mean aren't you. You just thought of it spur of the moment and just punched it into the keyboard (as a monkey would) hoping it would be a funny quip without really thinking about what it actually means... which is of course nothing except your in-ability to master the English language (and before you start, I speak French and German).

Dummkopf
57 brit abroad (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 01:06 pm Report abuse
Oooooh ooooohh ooh! I wanna be like you ooo ooo oooh!
58 Huntsman Extraordinaire (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 01:10 pm Report abuse
@57 LOL! You see it's troooo ooo oooh! Lol.
59 Guzz (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 01:23 pm Report abuse
56
Then you should try in one of those languages, because in english, you make no sense...
60 brit abroad (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 01:23 pm Report abuse
An ape like me hehe, can learn to be hehe just like you hoo hoo!
Sogimme me a clue brit cub!
61 Hook (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 01:26 pm Report abuse
You idiots, she's an Argentinian whore selling ass to Somalis in Denmark

then again, that's the only thing an argentinian woman is worth of...

shitty people, shitty country
62 Huntsman Extraordinaire (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 01:30 pm Report abuse
@59 Guzz, I'm sure that to the English speaking world I make sense, it's just you, who have not yet made it to dizzying heights of being a member of that world who does not understand and for whom it does not make sense. Google Translate just won't meet the requirements you need to have an intellegent conversation with someone. Even that app on the iPhone where you can get someone to say something and it translates won't do it. Of course though, you won't have any iPhones in Argentia. Luxury items won't do in your economic climate (and don't let that come across as ignorance to all the impoverished people of the world; I was brought up under the poverty line - I worked for all I have and worked bloody hard, and I do what I can to help those who need it - I'm just being ignorant towards you).
63 brit abroad (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 01:32 pm Report abuse
Bit harsh...... But Guzz, if true how much do you charge? Piece of eight or would that be in peso now?
64 Hook (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 01:34 pm Report abuse
63@ she can make hundreds of euros in a day easily in Denmark. More than she could earn as a rocket scientist in Argentina..
65 Guzz (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 01:35 pm Report abuse
62
now it's my fault you are an ignorant...
66 brit abroad (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 01:37 pm Report abuse
I know many many danes! Theyre alright and surley not tjat deaperate... Anyway she must have her down now so leave her to eat
67 Idlehands (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 01:38 pm Report abuse
“Ignorant” is an adjective not a noun.
68 Hook (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 01:41 pm Report abuse
66@ i was referring to the vast Somali-population in Denmark,,sure they'll want a piece of white christian ass..

and older not-so-happily married men,,i know that shit happens.
69 brit abroad (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 01:44 pm Report abuse
Guzz please stop making yourself look stupid! Or do u like it? I will give you u one compliment and that is that u are as stubborn as a mule in repeatedly looking stupid! Congratulations! By the way are u saving in euros or peso? Or just spending all your hard (pun) earned cash on surgery?
70 Huntsman Extraordinaire (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 01:44 pm Report abuse
@65 I don't think I'm an ignorant person Guzz, and it's certainly not your fault if I am too blind to see that I am an ignorant person. However I am ignorant towards you, simply because of your attempts to offend my parents and your inability to explain yourself. Ergo I don't like you, and I will treat you with contempt.
71 Guzz (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 01:49 pm Report abuse
67
you are right, missed out on “brit”, wanted to avoid redundancy...
72 brit abroad (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 01:49 pm Report abuse
Ditto
73 Hook (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 01:49 pm Report abuse
I know Argentinian women are lazy and incompetent, since they don't study and they act like daddy's little girls till their 60's

cause they are lazy, they don't work in McDonalds, that's for the Bolivians yousee, taking some private clients every now and then to their neat student flat, they can easily gain hundreds of euros a day..

..which would take months in Argentina
74 yankeeboy (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 01:53 pm Report abuse
A lot of RG models (hookers) are getting busted while traveling as mules for the drug lords.

Seems like more and more every month...
75 Welsh Wizard (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 01:55 pm Report abuse
@61

“then again, that's the only thing an argentinian woman is worth of”

we'll have less of that. If there is one area where the Argentineans beat us hands down then it's their ladies. Delightful things, and a good laugh too...
76 Hook (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 01:58 pm Report abuse
75@you're opinion is kinda biased, you said you're mother is Argentinian
77 Yuleno (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 02:09 pm Report abuse
49# yankeeboy-China-
Advice is stop reading so much and spend time digesting information.Then sort it and select suitable info for your preconceived opinion and you will find that you are always correct.That is until you look at the whole story.
China producing what can't be sold.Is that wholly true or not.
China's population imbalance is detrimental to it ability to function efficiently,true or not
China's population is too old,true or not.
USA can't produce because it can't sell its product
USA population imbalance too many illegals and native Americans.
USA population too old pension payment and healthcare costs are too high and are a drain on efficient labour costs.
What do think.
Not all good in the USA.Listen to the presidential election rhetoric.
Don't put your head down,look up and listen more.Stats tell a story only.
78 Welsh Wizard (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 02:12 pm Report abuse
Errr, no, my mother-in-law. If anything it is the blokes in Argentina who are a bunch of useless layabouts. All the women I know are bright, ambitious and hard working. The blokes I know are the ones who only want to work in the 'right' job because they feel that other ones are below themyet, at the same time as being unemployed, want to spend their wives/girlfriends cash as if it was their own...they are a little like English women in that respect...want something for nothing...

Yes there are obviously girls who will be with a guy just for cash but I haven't seen it amongst the middle class Argentinean women, they just usually complain about how useless their men folk are...
79 Hook (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 02:24 pm Report abuse
78@“women I know are bright, ambitious and hard working” ...you don't know what you're talking about, LOL..besides it's still biased: ' mother-in-law'

in Argentina women act like little girls and start crying in working environment if something goes wrong, and if they are friends to the male-boss, they dont' have work at all, they're everything but professional
80 Conqueror (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 02:33 pm Report abuse
@3 Vultures only go for carrion. The state of argieland!
@6 Don't need to cry. Britain on its way out of recession. The UK now has the strongest economy in Europe. www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2223343/UK-economy-best-Europe-following-results-lead-way-2015.html And low inflation as well - 2.2% www.guardian.co.uk/business/2012/oct/16/uk-inflation-lowest-since-november-2009?newsfeed=true Isn't that good?
@10 Are you going to rush “home” to enjoy it?
@15 Did you notice the dateline? 24 May 2011. It's all in the detail, isn't it? Doing good? In your dreams! Or is that nightmares?
@17 Why do you care about argieland? Not your country is it? And have you not fled to Denmark? Is your story coming apart?
Let's pick up on an article from the Miami Herald. It's a bit old (June 2012), but not as old as the one your desperation found (May 2011). www.miamiherald.com/2012/06/16/2851968/argentinas-economic-fiesta-is.html#disqus_thread And for all those that like a laugh, the comments feature our own, our very own, alex vargas annoying yet more people by posting his drivel. Notice he says how argieland is full of resources. He just doesn't mention that argies don't have a clue. I wonder how he's eating meat in argieland when he's in Canada? Strangely, he doesn't appear to be any more popular in Miami than he is on here. Could it be that he flits from site to site, and country to country, until he gets banned or realises that he is totally hated by the “local” population?
@65 Poor Guzzle. Are you feeling “victimised”?
@77 Goody. A new “victim”. Never mind China or the USA, they are not your problem. What about your “home” country? And how far away from it do you reside? Curiously, this article is about argieland's economy. Is this a case of “Don't look at me. Look over there.” Diversion. And INDEC stats don't tell a story, they tell lies!
81 We got your Fragata (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 02:36 pm Report abuse
The entire world knows that Argentina is the sewer (cloaca) of the Americas.
82 Hook (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 02:36 pm Report abuse
from what i've seen, all argentinian people are criminals and thieves, its in their nature and culture, its their way of doing things and they are
even proud of it..just look ate their prez, she represents them perfectly. This is why their country has so many problems, they all have the
mentality of a criminal..
83 British_Kirchnerist (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 02:41 pm Report abuse
Happy birthday to a great policy. Great to see a leader taking tough decisions that annoy the rich rather than further shafting the poor. And what a lovely picture =)
84 Huntsman Extraordinaire (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 02:44 pm Report abuse
Wondered why Guzz went all quiet. Must have been a change of shift down at KFC HQ.
85 Guzz (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 02:48 pm Report abuse
I'm amazed you still are part of this discussion, having an IQ of 178 and all...
86 Captain Poppy (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 02:54 pm Report abuse
There it is.....spoken like a true communist...you hate rich people.....and according to kristina if you do not get goivernment handouts you are rich. So you hate people that are self sufficient also BK.
Do you know that Warren Buffet...Bill Gates a other billionaires have given away to charity most everything they made? Such aweful men they are.
87 Huntsman Extraordinaire (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 02:55 pm Report abuse
142 fella, you see, thats how dumb you are, you can't even use the scroll on a mouse to go up and look at a previous comment to get your facts right.

The rabbits that I shoot have more common sense and intellegence than you (could actually go for a bunny burger right now, yum yum!). Worse still so do the feral pigeons.

Sorry BK had to go get you from your lunch break (trying to put the square peg in the round hole again? Dang that things a pain to get in ain't it; try putting the sandwiche down while you do it!) so that you could reply to me and thus make my assumption look like a falasy.
88 Guzz (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 02:58 pm Report abuse
So that's what they are for all the 195 on IQ? To come out with silly personal attacks? If you are going for insults, do it properly...
89 Welsh Wizard (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 03:01 pm Report abuse
@82

Ok, you're welcome to your point of view. We have obviously been hanging around people of a different educational and class level
90 Huntsman Extraordinaire (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 03:08 pm Report abuse
I'm just taking the perverbial and enjoying the process. As I previously stated in comment number 70 Guzz, I don't like you and I will continue to treat you with contempt. Sorry, you can't read if can you, you need to know how to use the scroll tab on the mouse.

You have nothing to come back at me with other than my level of intellegence and each time you do you make yourself seem less intellegent. Shovel and a spade help you in your endevour to personally insult me?

If you're not happy you can always report me to a mod end of the day and I will maybe get an email asking me to let you abuse me or maybe I will get ban from commenting. But then, I suppose you would have to report nearly every single person who has commented on this page, possibly the Falklands/RG sections of the website.
91 Guzz (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 03:12 pm Report abuse
I don't think “dumb” is enough reason to get your posts deleted...
92 Hook (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 03:18 pm Report abuse
82@ It's not a point of view, i'm talking about the whole Argentinian society, all classes. What do you, are you a trash collector or something?

They're all criminals, cheaters and thieves. It's a Fact, look what's happening to 'em, do i need more proof?
93 Guzz (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 03:21 pm Report abuse
Hook
I'm sorry if your wife cheated on you with an Argentine, but to be fair, it's not Argentinas fault...
94 British_Kirchnerist (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 03:22 pm Report abuse
#75 “that. If there is one area where the Argentineans beat us hands down then it's their ladies. Delightful things, and a good laugh too”

Quite right, and the lovely and charismatic Cristina is the greatest example of that =)

#86 They actually want to pay more in tax, so no I wouldn't say they were awful men, unlike Mitt Romney...
95 Hook (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 03:24 pm Report abuse
93@ shut up Puta...you have already have confirmed you are a prostitute.

argentinian men are 75% gays, they're no threat, what molested me most in Argentina, were the Argentinian men trying to touch me all the time
96 Guzz (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 03:25 pm Report abuse
You cheated on your wife with an Argentine male? That's a whole other matter... Malcojido?
97 Hook (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 03:28 pm Report abuse
96@You talk exactly like a whore...not in every culture men want to experiment like the argies...thay are 75% either gay or bisexuals

..now go and take some more Somali cock in ya ass, Puta
98 Captain Poppy (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 03:29 pm Report abuse
Hook I really am not thrilled about being in the position of supporting Argentines, but the statement:

“They're all criminals, cheaters and thieves. It's a Fact, look what's happening to 'em, do i need more proof?”

Is either based on absolute ignorance by never having been to Argentina, or just prejudical hatred or a sad old man. My aim is not insolence, but when you cast such a large net, you snare even to least sought after species.
99 Hook (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 03:33 pm Report abuse
98@unfortunetly it's based on numerous repetitive reiterative experiences...all over again, the same stuff

lot of statistical proof from a large sample
100 Captain Poppy (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 03:36 pm Report abuse
That is a shame and I must be fortunate that my experiences are predominately the opposite.
101 Hook (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 03:39 pm Report abuse
100@ you're opinion is biased too, you said you have Argentinian wife..

i'd be saying the same thing as you and defending my gf's country in your position, it's understandable
102 Guzz (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 03:40 pm Report abuse
99
This is getting worse and worse... multiple Argentine males? No wonder you hate them...
103 Hook (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 03:41 pm
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104 Captain Poppy (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 03:43 pm Report abuse
I'm not an Argentine Guzz....I am sure you know that by now.
105 Guzz (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 03:45 pm Report abuse
Seriously, i'm sure there is a hotline for victims like you....
106 Idlehands (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 03:53 pm Report abuse
Hmm - a thread of comments to be proud of........or maybe not.
107 Hook (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 03:54 pm Report abuse
105@ Puta, your clients are waiting
108 Guzz (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 03:56 pm Report abuse
Hook
I never meant to reopen old wounds, but you really need to get those issues sorted...
109 Hook (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 04:00 pm Report abuse
106@ the reason nro.1 i'm pissed with argies, if because of business deals etc. You can't trust them.
110 Pirat-Hunter (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 04:06 pm Report abuse
Dollar clamp ? What dollar clamp? By mercopress definition there is also a US dollar clam in Canada because I can't buy my groceries in US dollars, I wonder why mercopress never reports on Canadian dollar clamp in all this years of this horrible practice. Lol and I won't even mention the fact I can't use pesos in neither Canada nor USA, Ho is the old do as I say not as I do practice from mr KKK again, Move along people, move along there is nothing to see here, just the same old English bullying of Argentina's right to self determination. We are used to live under threats and illegal occupation by Brits but we hope soon to have a nuclear defence program 100% made in Argentina.
We love you CFK! keep up the good work! Don't take any outsider seriously as you can read here none of them mean well. We support CFK from all around the world.
111 Yuleno (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 04:18 pm Report abuse
80# Conker
When you are a moderator you can control posts.Until then you are just another poster like me.Its your colonial brain that is influencing you.Your just one of the crowd Mr Mitty
What kind of an imbecile would say that the UK is coming out of recession based on one set of figures.The same kind of idiot who suggests that a country's economy is collapsing because one years figures predict a dip in GDP.
Hopefully the UK and Europe are coming out of recession as they and the USA are dragging down the world economy but Argentina is paying off its debts and re- orientating its economy.
The UK and others have still to solve their economic problems or are they expecting to rob in SA and Africa and Asia indefinitely.Is their more confidence in the ability to fund pensions in the UK now,Conker?
112 Captain Poppy (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 04:30 pm
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113 Guzz (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 04:34 pm Report abuse
Spics? Pedazo de gringo atorrante...
114 Welsh Wizard (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 04:34 pm Report abuse
@92 Hook

Yup, and every British person is a priate. In fact, i have a small sailing boat which I have moored off the coast of Corwall just so that I can head out, harass the shipping channels, return triumphant to my treasure cove with my booty, speak to my parrot and drink my grog.

Twat
115 Idlehands (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 04:46 pm Report abuse
114 Welsh Wizard - I didn't realise you were one of those annoying peasants that always get right of way because you couldn't afford an engine. Begone and get outta my way!!!!!
116 Welsh Wizard (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 04:50 pm Report abuse
No, just deeply old school dear boy...
117 Guzz (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 04:51 pm Report abuse
Poppy

www.youtube.com/watch?v=aibLrBu2hoA
118 Idlehands (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 04:55 pm Report abuse
V8s are what you want - not sails.
119 Captain Poppy (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 04:55 pm Report abuse
Sorry buds.,.....not really a Utube guy....more into books.
120 agent999 (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 04:58 pm Report abuse
Oh dear - the trolls have taken over the madhouse.

We now have SA trolls pretending to be British - one of them even sounds like sussie
121 yankeeboy (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 05:04 pm Report abuse
Argentina could lose 20 percent of its projected corn crop and 10 percent of its soy this season because of violent storms that have lashed the
Pampas farm belt over the last three months, a local expert said
on Tuesday.

Hmm, moldy wheat and poor crops 2 years in a row. No wonder they announced CFk's blood pressure was elevated...
hahahhaa
122 Pirat-Hunter (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 05:20 pm Report abuse
#107 is puta your moms name?
#112 shhhh be werry , werry ' quiet am hunting for wabbits.
#114 we know.
#120 we feel the same about English people commenting on Argentina's news headlines, then again we care as much for your opinion as the English people care for ours “NOT”...
We love You CFK! Keep up the good work. We are With you 100%.
123 Guzz (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 05:31 pm Report abuse
Poppy

They dress as tourists
And travel the world
the Americans
In organized trip
With romance included
All pre-paid
By Americans

If there is something you admire
Wherever you go
It is the elegance
of the Americans
With typical attire
Mingling with people
And no one notices
They are Americans

They always buy
Valuable old things
recently aged
for Americans
And then at home
They receive friendships
Praising the good taste
of the Americans

And in nightclubs
They feel inspired
the Americans
It is very common to find them
Dancing tirelessly
Wasting the grace
of the Americans

Well my friends
Enough for now
I told you What I could
of the Americans
And if you see them...
If you see them give them my respectful greetings
...
124 Captain Poppy (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 05:44 pm Report abuse
#120 The la campora troll pretend to be British, Americans....even Africans.....suzzie and TTT (truth telling troll) are forever changing there identities. I think it has to do with Fatsimo the Fat Fucking Kirchner anally raping the prepuberty boys at camp. It really takes it's toll on them.
125 Conqueror (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 05:46 pm Report abuse
@83 She looks as though she's just an explosive fart.
@85 That's rich, coming from someone with an IQ of 30. Not even enough brain to look back at Huntsman's comment.
@93 Still down at “brainless” level, Guzzle?
@94 “the lovely and charismatic Cristina”. I've figured it out. You're blind!
@95 How can 75% of argie males be queer? It would mean that 25% go without!
@98 I have to take issue with your comment. Remember this video: www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xqwNsmzCbM And yet NONE of those people were at fault. Not one of them supported the illegal invasion and occupation of the Falklands. And that is not the only video! As for visiting argieland, who would want to? If I really HAD to go, I'd want to take 22 SAS with me!
@102 It's the way argie males do it. Remember?
@110 A clam is a crustacean. Or seafood. Argieland has no “right” to self-determination. An implanted population has no right to self-determination. Remember? A colony has no right to self-determination. Remember? And what is argieland? Apart from a cesspit. It's a rebel Spanish colony. By definition, an implanted population. Go for the nuclear defence program. But go “home” first. Go by sea. Drown. Whoops, did I say that out loud? Well, get a haircut, a shave and a wash anyway!
@111 You missed a point. Being British, “I” can do whatever “I” like. You, being argie, can only do what you're allowed. As you are beginning to find out. Already you can't borrow money. Soon, you won't be able to go to sea. Can you take a train, successfully? If you go into the streets, do you have to swim? No interest in SA. Home of thieves, murderers, paedos and queers. My pension is fine, thanks!
@114 “every British person is a priate”. Really? Is that your version of “primate”? Go back and look at the video link I posted. Are those people supporting a criminal act? Is that criminal act thieving? Were they not cheating by ignoring a UNSC resolution? Do they not cheat now by saying it wasn't them? Think about it!
126 Pirat-Hunter (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 06:12 pm Report abuse
Jajjajaj #123 Pierto is a good musician. Look for a cubam band “Los aldeanos” in YouTube. I think music is a good tool to bring social and cultural change. I found a later version of the song “Los Americanos” I am sure you'll like it, it plays right into the kind you find trolling this message threads.
m.youtube.com/?reload=3&rdm=mcetap40r#/watch?v=aibLrBu2hoA
m.youtube.com/?reload=3&rdm=mcetap40r#/watch?v=TRlAePTmb4Y
127 Yuleno (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 07:31 pm Report abuse
125# Conker.
I suspect you were trying to upset someone,by repeating how it used to be.But it's not anymore.I think you failed and now you will have to try another way.Cannot wait to see how. Tch tch poor boy.
128 briton (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 07:37 pm Report abuse
Guzz
you do well to defend your corner, when most of your fellows keep quiet,

still,
may we ask simply,

1, has it worked,
2, has it failed,
your country,
your answer please.
129 Beef (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 07:45 pm Report abuse
Guzz- I am in the UK and I am Brit and I do trade in dollars. I also trade in Pounds Sterling, Euros and Hong Kong dollars. I occasionally trade in Yuan and Singapore Dollars.

I have a GBP account, a USD account and a Euro account.

I can do all of this with no restrictions and my economic liberty is very much appreciated.

Surely in a democracy Argentines should be able to buy, sell and trade in any currency they wish? That is unless Argentina is not a full democracy?

Economic liberty is the foundation of personal freedom.
130 Guzz (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 08:04 pm Report abuse
129
What would you say if the day came when you couldn't use pounds sterlings to buy a house in your own country?
131 briton (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 08:09 pm Report abuse
never happen.
132 toooldtodieyoung (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 08:32 pm Report abuse
130 Guzz

What's the matter Guzz?

Are you not going to answer briton's question at 128?

He asked a simple question, should be no problem for you. After all “You know everything” don't you Guzz?

So why don't you just answer the question?

I know you know all the answers......... Is it the questions that are giving you the trouble?
133 Guzz (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 08:35 pm Report abuse
132
I'm not sure what he is talking about, pardon me...
134 Pirat-Hunter (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 08:36 pm Report abuse
#129 in Argentina you can do the same. Except that in Argentina the exchange fee is payed to the state not the bank, if you like it the way is done in UK great stay in UK and keep your comments of Argentina to yourself.
#130 the English people only wishes others to do that which the English won't do. Don't dear talk to them about justice, they wouldn't know what that is.
135 briton (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 08:48 pm Report abuse
simple enough question,

did her policy work.
yes or no.
136 Guzz (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 08:52 pm Report abuse
If you are asking me if the pesification works, I'd say no doubt. If the world accepts it, well, lets wait and see...
137 yankeeboy (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 09:03 pm Report abuse
Guzz, You can use pesos to buy property it is not illegal BUT sellers won't accept them because there is a wide exchange rate from $4.60-7 buyers want to use 4.6 an dhe seller want $7.
EVERYONE knows there is a MASSIVE devaluation happening shortly. So why take peso now at 7 when it could be 10-14 by December?
Until and unless the Peso is stabilized it will never work.
You will be dead before that ever happens.
138 Guzz (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 09:10 pm Report abuse
137
All I hear is you predicting misery over Arg, and I can't help myself from thinking... How on earth did you miss Sandy, and why the heck don't you use your abilities for the good of your own people???
139 briton shut up (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 09:15 pm Report abuse
@135
Shut up stupid child! mind your UK!
140 yankeeboy (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 09:19 pm Report abuse
Even I can't predict the weather! I wish I could be as accurate with weather as I am with Argentina's fate.
But I do see the weather isn't too good in the Pampas though, wet wet wet
Lower Soy crops
Lower Corn crops
Moldy Wheat

I think the Barley is doing well though
Barley para todos
141 Beef (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 09:23 pm Report abuse
Guzz - I wouldn't give two hoots about using another currency to purchase UK property.Why should I? These things are dictated by the market.

It also appears most Argentines don't care either (in fact they prefer the dollar to the Argie peso). It is only their authoritarian leader that cares as it makes her look bad (heaven forbid).

I suppose you approve of her policy of limiting the freedom of Argentines? I guess you therefore disapprove of democracy?
142 Guzz (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 09:28 pm Report abuse
141
“I wouldn't give two hoots about using another currency to purchase UK property.Why should I?”

Why would the Arg have to ask you lot for permission to do the same as you? Why do you even care?? Don't you have your own economy to worry about, or are you too busy fillimg Singer's pockets? First things first, right?
143 Ayayay (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 09:31 pm Report abuse
I talked to my Arg-American roomie of yore's partner last night. I told him I now know where Argentina is on a map! :)

First thing he said.. with compassion, “Isn't it horrible?”

Me: “Huh???”
Most So Californians have visited TJ; Arg is cleaner, refined, more beautiful, TONS nicer working standards...

He was surprised I didn't seem to know what he was talking about. He clarified, “Horrible DOWN THERE. It's.. just..I feel for the people, you know? They can't leave the country, it's something about money.”

I reassured him Argentines were --O--K---! hahaha :)
144 Beef (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 09:48 pm Report abuse
Guzz - If you cannot deal with my comment then admit it rather than post inaccuracies.

I mentioned the fact that Argies themselves prefer to trade in dollars rather than pesos. When did I suggest they needed our permission? Please point this out.

It is up to them, but unfortunately it isn't is it? Their economic freedom is being repressed by a specific policy of their own president's doing.

I suppose you agree with governments interfering with the economic freedom of it's own citizens and the clear assault on democratic freedoms this presents?

Economic cycles are economic cycles. We cannot largely influence then but can adapt to them. Recessions are good as any Muppet can make money in a growth period. Recession kills off the weak business and in the long term strengthens business governance.
145 Yuleno (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 09:53 pm Report abuse
Yankeeboy you have been producing Argentina's failure incessantly all year.Dont you know that the USA and Europe are showing signs of recovery and that the time for Argentina to manifest what you predict is evaporating.Have you no other scenario for the world economy.Why are you such a pessimist,are your financial dealings not telling you anything.You are telling me you don't know much.I hope your mother is on hand.
Beef.
Does the euro circulate in the UK.Why should the dollar circulate outside the USA.Not as a right of the dollar but as a decision of the gvt to support its use.
As you know beef,in the undemocratic USA you need to change your pounds to dollars,they won't take your precious pound,they'd take euros first.Britain was and is no more.Just a banana monarchy.Bad Isnt it.
146 briton the arse (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 09:53 pm Report abuse
@125 Conqueror
tonight you can fuck me!
147 yankeeboy (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 09:57 pm Report abuse
Yul, Unfortunately for the Argentinians I am more right than wrong. Not even the best diviner in the world is 100%accurate. If I was I would be a Billionaire unfortunately I am not.

You are assured:

Devaluation/Hyperinflation/Depression

coming shortly

Barely para todos
148 Beef (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 10:03 pm Report abuse
Yuleno - The Euro does circulate in the UK and a number of shops accept (especially in London) it for payment. Your point is?

The dollar has been circulation in Argentina by the consent of the market and Argentine citizens. Yet the Argie government feel necessary to stop it's own citizens buying dollars and therefore doing what they wish with their own wealth; a policy consistent with a repressive regime.

I think you meant Constitutional Monarchy and Full Democracy.

Can any Argie please explain why it is a good idea to have your own economic freedom restricted by your government? Do you like being kept poor?
149 Guzz (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 10:14 pm Report abuse
144
And who are you to tell what the Argentines wants? Open up for the comments in spanish MP and see for yourself what SA wants, starting with British troops out of SA.
Do you think the Argentines voted for CFK because they wanted you to tell them what they want?
150 slattzzz (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 10:36 pm Report abuse
guzz your slipping you haven't mention killing children yet :o).
PS. There's no British troops in SA, there's some in a British overseas territory though.
151 Guzz (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 10:43 pm Report abuse
150
Te vas a la reputisima madre que te recontramil pario, hijo de siete mil putas.
Told you I was done with you, scum. I don't have any interest in having a dialogue with a defender of murderers of children. Now begone!
152 slattzzz (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 10:45 pm Report abuse
@151 oh dear are you upset?, if yes good, if no I'll try harder next time. Now begone my little Muslim ships cat
153 Guzz (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 10:50 pm Report abuse
You don't upset me, scum. You merely reaffirm my thoughts about you lot, child abusing murderers... Go show your kids some love, pathetic scum. Make them like you!
154 slattzzz (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 10:57 pm Report abuse
my son loves me and his Mum in fact he's on HMS Edinburgh at the moment cruising down to the South Atlantic, funny old thing eh?
155 yankeeboy (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 10:59 pm Report abuse
Guzz, Is your boyfriend Muslim? I have never seen so much hate and jealousy coming from a non-muslim.
156 Guzz (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 11:05 pm
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157 slattzzz (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 11:11 pm Report abuse
@156 again guzz posts total crap bless him. Guzz leave your cushy life in Northern Europe (I can't decide where yet as you keep moving) and do something about it.
158 yankeeboy (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 11:26 pm Report abuse
I must have been roofied cause I don't remember a thing!

Of course you didn't answer my question and it was serious.

You are jealous and hateful of UK and USA just like The Muslims. There must be a reason. Have you converted? Is your boyfriend a Muslim?
I have never met any SA that hates the UK and USA so much! Most everyone I met begged me to get them a job so they can move to the USA. So i really don't get where this is coming from and why.
159 Guzz (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 11:33 pm Report abuse
158
Lets say USA didn't make many friends when they sent Dan Mitrione to torture our people. Schools of America didn't help either. In fact, the whole Plan Condor was not intended to befriend us, now was it?

Did you ever apologize even?
160 Beef (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 11:44 pm Report abuse
Guzz - The market tells us what Argies want. If Argies didn't want to trade in USD and make real estate purchases in USD then why do the government feel the need to force it?

The market for the use of the USD in Argentina has been created by Argentines and with the consent of the Argentine consumer.

Now, as you cannot even comprehend the very basics of market economics I think that you will simply resort to further insults. After all that is all your mental capacity is capable of.
161 Conorworld (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 11:47 pm Report abuse
@ Guzz
You have a very skewed way of seeing things. Your snarky comments do not create a confidence in your opinion in us here.

Argentines don't denominate or buy major transactions in pesos because of a severe lack of confidence in the peso as a holder of value. The government of Cristina just exacerbates this opinion. *IF* Cristina's policies were working, there would be a stabilization of inflation and the Peso currency exchange and people would learn to love and trust their currency. Pesification would happen organically. Cristina would be confident in her policies doing that organically.

But Cristina's policies are not working. It has caused inflation and currency depreciation. Now she is putting a clamp on dollars to force pesification. It is first and foremost a clear indication of the failure of her own policies that she herself puts this clamp in.

But preventing her people to choose the way they wish to purchase things is also wrong and undemocratic.
162 Guzz (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 11:47 pm Report abuse
160
I've only insulted those who glorifies the murderimg of children, as long as you aren't one of them, I will treat you with due respect. even when I disagree
163 slattzzz (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 11:48 pm Report abuse
@158 don't forget a UK/US hating Muslim that lives in Sweden/Denmark or wherever's popular today. What has an Italian born FBI agent who might have done something in Montevideo got to do with it, unless of course he was killing Muslim women and children with a helicopter, talk about changing the subject, but that's Guzz's only tactic when losing (usually) an arguement. I take it this Dan Mitrione did all this by himself with no help from the Urayguian security forces or anyone else.............yeah right
164 We got your Fragata (#) Oct 30th, 2012 - 11:53 pm Report abuse
I can't wait until Argentina explodes into civil war. It's coming, broke government, violent groups, La Cámpora gathering arms, violence in the streets and in the football stadiums, hopefully when the roving mobs of killers go around the country, they will go after the people who hold all the money now -- the government!
165 Beef (#) Oct 31st, 2012 - 12:05 am Report abuse
Guzz - if Argies were happy to buy and sell property in pesos then the Argentine housing market would have been unaffected by the forced pesification policy.

Clearly Argentines want to use USD to buy and sell their bricks and mortar as the collapse in liquidity has been directly caused by this policy.

Please utilise your best deductive reasoning to counter my argument.
166 Guzz (#) Oct 31st, 2012 - 12:09 am Report abuse
165
It would be because the peso is too weak and unstable, hence the need for the pesification. Noone wants his/her country dominated by foreign currency. The Argentines are no exception.
167 Beef (#) Oct 31st, 2012 - 12:19 am Report abuse
So Argentines want to trade in USD because they see the market weakness in their own currency. That was my point all along. This is done with the consent of the market therefore it is want Argentine consumers want.

Forcing a population to use an unstable currency does not strengthen it. It meerly redeces monetary liquidity and economic stagnation. The best course of action is to take pesos out of the economy so the perceived and real value of the currency becomes aligned and stable.

The problem is that the government policy of creating money from nothing has made this impossible and Argentina is on a one way road to another economic disaster.

Hence Argentines want to use the USD.
168 Guzz (#) Oct 31st, 2012 - 12:22 am Report abuse
Beef
No common Argentine even has dollars, transactions are made without people ever seeing the money, you are not making any sense...
169 Ayayay (#) Oct 31st, 2012 - 12:32 am Report abuse
Nearly ALL the Spanish language , native Arg comments on Taringa! and Reddit are pro-dollars and also..they're way not fans of the executive office anymore.
That's why I like Mercopress, comments, I wanted to get an ide of the culture supporting a pro CFK mindset
170 Guzz (#) Oct 31st, 2012 - 12:39 am Report abuse
Look, salaries are paid in pesos, food is charged in pesos, national currency is peso... What good does a strong dollar do to the vast majority of the Argentines?
And why should they ask you for permission to do what the heck they want with their country? They elected CFK for a reason, and they didn't ask you what you thought about their election, did they?
171 briton (#) Oct 31st, 2012 - 12:45 am Report abuse
British military, in British territory,

And you have USA military in argentina,

So why again anti brit,

Would it not be better to remove the American military from argentine soil.

Ah
But you friends with the Americans aint you.

Wonder why, no argentine military in the USA.
172 Guzz (#) Oct 31st, 2012 - 12:49 am Report abuse
Who is friends with the yanquis? Argentina? Right...
173 briton (#) Oct 31st, 2012 - 01:00 am Report abuse
We presume so,
Its just odd, to have American military on their soil,

But that’s politics for you..
174 ptolemy (#) Oct 31st, 2012 - 02:16 am Report abuse
The housing market in Argentina is not “virtually paralyzed ,”... it is paralyzed period. People here are actually de-listing their properties because they do not want to be paid in pesos... and if they were paid in pesos it would be a loosing propasition. Pesofication will not take place until the rampant inflation here is brought under control.... I wait for N8. It should be interesting.
175 Hook (#) Oct 31st, 2012 - 02:57 am Report abuse
El Gales says: “If there is one area where the Argentineans beat us hands down then it's their ladies.” speak for yourself, i never been in Wales, but i prefer our women over argies 10 - 0

they're just useless fokking waste of space just like their “men” are,
176 Conorworld (#) Oct 31st, 2012 - 06:25 am Report abuse
Guzz, the problem is that for the vast majority of countries, major transactions - boats, planes etc are all done in hard currencies. This does not have to be Dollars but historically that is the traditional hard currency in Argentina. There are multitudes of hard currencies these days, from the Dollar, to the Euro, Yen, Sterling (the hard currency of choice for my country, Ireland for decades prior to joining the Euro), even Canadian and Australian dollars.

There are emerging ones too, such as the South Korean won, the Brazil Real is on a slow path that way too and most certainly the Chinese yuan. The interesting aspect is with these new emerging hard currencies. They have created and instilled confidence in the world by the sound economic policies of their countries. They have in the minds of the world and business people (from big, major companies to smaller family ones) developed confidence in using these currencies.

Argentina has not. Argentina has consistently created a lack of confidence globally in doing business and that is dangerous in this globalized world. CFK's overtly confrontational management of micro and marco economic policies makes people less trusting in the Argentine economy and thus the peso.

No matter how much CFK thinks she can get away with it in the medium term, she will soon start to need more large international transactions from planes to heavy-machinery etc, especially if she thinks YPF is going to be successful.

Now would you trust someone coming in to your shop saying they need a piece of machinery saying they will pay with a loan, then take it, fuck it up and then refuse to pay the full price? No. But that is what will happen with CFK's policies and has been historically so with Argentina. That is why pesification will fail because CFK does not keep to her word, lies and manipulates, the manipulation this time being a clamp on dollars
177 LEPRecon (#) Oct 31st, 2012 - 07:10 am Report abuse
@176 - Conorworld

Agreed. It's the ordinary citizen of Argentina that will suffer from the effects of these insane economic policies.

Last time it was the Internatinal community that Argentina defaulted on, this time it will be their own people.

All pesticfication will do is ensure that, when the economy collapses, everyone will be equally poor. With the exception of CFK and her cronies of course.

In previous uncertain economic times at least the average person could buy dollars for that rainy day on the horizon. Now all they'll have is Peso's, and if the economy collapses, they won't be worth the paper they're printed on, no matter whose picture is on them.
178 Hook (#) Oct 31st, 2012 - 02:28 pm Report abuse
177@ they chose CFK, they support CFK(even now, enough to get re-elected) and even when the support goes down, it's because they finally see it was CFK who destroyed their economy, it's not because of the aggressive talks about invading Falklands or stealing from the Gringos. They all accept that part.

i laugh to the people who write here like the Argies were some innocent sacred beings and that it's only their evil prez who's to blame, haha...dorks.. you have no clue

So, i say, let 'em suffer, they deserve it.
179 briton the arse (#) Oct 31st, 2012 - 03:19 pm Report abuse
@173
Argentina is anti-british and anti-american,,,,,accept the facts,,,,,now go to sleep stupid child!
180 Captain Poppy (#) Oct 31st, 2012 - 03:49 pm Report abuse
What the hell is below Frontier staus......Cave Dwellers?

community.nasdaq.com/News/2012-10/downgrade-could-hasten-argentinas-frontier-departure.aspx?storyid=185817

www.reuters.com/article/2012/10/30/argentina-grains-weather-idUSL1E8LUC5O20121030

Mushrooms para todos !!
181 Bonita (#) Oct 31st, 2012 - 06:00 pm Report abuse
@18o Conqueror Captain Poppy
The Taliban will blow your head off with a home made bomb!
182 Captain Poppy (#) Oct 31st, 2012 - 06:23 pm Report abuse
www.buenosairesherald.com/article/115648/bond-prices-sink-risk-spread-grows-after-sp-downgrade

www.buenosairesherald.com/article/115567/sp-downgrades-argentinas-rating-on-vulture-funds-ruling

www.buenosairesherald.com/article/115649/argentina-loses-eu-preferential-import-scheme

www.buenosairesherald.com/article/115643/amia-argentinairan-round-of-talks-finish-with-no-clear-conclusions

www.buenosairesherald.com/article/115654/buenos-aires-stocks-down

www.buenosairesherald.com/article/115564/govt-rejects-cgt-elections-moyano-prepares-national-strike

www.buenosairesherald.com/article/115570/high-ranking-police-officers-arrested-in-santa-fe

www.buenosairesherald.com/article/115584/surrogate-judges-resign

www.buenosairesherald.com/article/115548/rains-cease-in-ba-more-than-3000-remain-evacuated

www.buenosairesherald.com/article/115555/neighborhoods-like-belgrano-will-always-flood-without-proper-works-city-minister--

And only low blood pressure. Care to guess what the physcian prescribed? A rusty razor with an order for “elbow to wrist” incision.
183 briton the arse (#) Oct 31st, 2012 - 07:36 pm Report abuse
@conqueror/captain poppy
the taliban will blow your head off!
184 briton (#) Oct 31st, 2012 - 09:40 pm Report abuse
sussie the uneducated child , she never learns,

threats insults childish behavour,
sticks and stones sussie,, sticks and stones,..
185 Ayayay (#) Nov 04th, 2012 - 06:23 pm Report abuse
It's not very cool that a woman endorses an organization which wishes it could prohibit education to a gender and wants to challenge their safety.
186 British_Kirchnerist (#) Nov 04th, 2012 - 11:26 pm Report abuse
#185 Explain? And why have you dug this old thread up =)
187 Troy Tempest (#) Nov 05th, 2012 - 12:31 am Report abuse
@186 Bitter Kirchnerist;

”#185 Explain? And why have you dug this old thread up =)“

Yes, BK, that's really your specialty, dropping ”post-bombs” on defunct threads...

AYAYAY - don't listen to him, BK, gets paid by the post - however meaningless or sycophantic it is.
188 Ayayay (#) Nov 06th, 2012 - 03:26 am Report abuse
Hi Troy, thx
Hi BK, referring to @181

-Happy evening-
189 Captain Poppy (#) Nov 06th, 2012 - 11:24 am Report abuse
I really hope the peso continues the slide. I want as much bang from my buck when I send my money in argentina at the year end......lol. Hoping for 5.50

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