8N knock out for Cristina Fernandez who nevertheless said “I will never give up”
Hundreds of thousands of protestors, probably a million according to some estimates, took to the streets of Buenos Aires on Thursday evening to hold the 8N pot-banging demonstration against the administration of Argentine President Cristina Fernandez.
Similar gatherings took place in the Greater Buenos Aires and other major Argentine cities as well as in tens of overseas cities in front of Argentine embassies and consulates, as confirmed by the social networks and twitters.
In Buenos Aires the concentration point was the Obelisk and the wide 9 de Julio Avenue, probably the widest in the world, which was tight-packed with the numerous columns (19) reaching out to other emblematic areas of the Argentine capital.
The build up of the march via internet major social networks, Facebook, Twitter, with minimum political organization, evolved with no incidents and with a huge display of Argentine flags and protest signs calling for the defence of democracy and institutions, demanding less inflation, less crime, less arrogance, uprooting corruption, an end to the dollar clamp and no more re-re-elections.
The march, which has been described as popular and impulsive to a mere ploy by the opposition, according to opposite ends of the political spectrum had already had its first protests set in front of the Argentine Consulate in Australia by expats living in the Oceania.
Social networks also contributed largely to the overseas set up summoning pot-banging in front of Argentine embassies and consulates in Germany (Berlin, Frankfurt, Bonn, Hamburg); Austria; Bolivia, Brazil (Río de Janeiro, Sao Paulo, Belo Horizonte); Canada (Toronto, Montreal); Chile (Santiago, Valparaíso); China; Colombia; Costa Rica; England; France; Israel (Tel aviv, Hertzlia Pituah, Migdal Haemek); Italy (Roma, Milan, Padova); Japan, Mexico; Norway; Panama; Paraguay; Peru; Spain (Barcelona, Madrid, Málaga, Palma de Mallorca, Valencia); South Africa; Sweden; Switzerland; Netherlands (Hague, Amsterdam); Uruguay (Montevideo, Punta del Este, Maldonado, Colonia); US (Washington DC, Miami, New York, Boston, Chicago, Los Angeles, Las Vegas, Houston) and even in Venezuela, Cristina Fernandez closest ally.
Likewise an estimated 20.000 gathered next to the presidential residence in suburban Olivos, where President Cristina Fernandez was staying and banged pots and pans for almost three hours, before dissolving peacefully.
The unprecedented outpour to the streets to protest, probably the strongest blow the Cristina Fernandez administration has received, overwhelmed the previous 13 September march and surprised organizers and the government. Another surprise was the fact that some of the columns that concentrated at the Obelisk came from the south of the city, traditionally the workers neighbourhoods, politically faithful to the government.
Earlier in the afternoon President Cristina Fernandez evoked her late husband, Nestor Kirchner and criticized without mentioning it, the 8N demonstration and pledging to never give up.
After enumerating a long list of achievements in the ‘won’ decade, the President said despite adverse situations such as the struggle with the farmers, or the electoral defeat in 2009, Nestor Kirchner never gave up or run away but also admitted defeat, and kept on fighting lifting his head even higher.
“And that is what he taught me: never give up, not even in the worst moments, because that is when you calibre true leaders” she emphasized.
Addressing the Argentine-Chile ministerial meeting, as well as diplomats, governors, members of Congress and top officials, (who on this occasion were not enthusiastic about a family picture), the President insisted that “the last decade has been a successful decade for the region, because we have gained in inclusion, in growth, in development and we have been able to overcome that thing that made incompatible economic growth with social inclusion”.
However the build up to 8N was not without crossed accusations and claims of other interests involved. From government lines the opposition and the media were targeted as responsible for the protest, but the opposition said it was clearly a people’s organized march with “no political colours or identification”.
The government’s sharp tongue and former cabinet chief, Senator Anibal Fernandez did not spare comments: “I have no doubt that the mobilization is an invention of the paid extreme-right wing, although there are people who want to march because there are things they do not like.”
Government supporter Grandmothers of Plaza de Mayor president Estela Barnes de Carlotto said “The protest is not useful for anyone, because it lacks a petition with proposals, (although) I don’t dispute it, because it’s a constitutional right.”
From his twitter Buenos Aires city mayor Mauricio Macri said “people are making themselves heard in all the country under an only flag”.
Member of Congress Francisco de Narvaez said “people are demanding from the government and from opposition: we want the real problems to be solved”.
Ricardo Alfonsin from the leading opposition group twitted: “8N: my respects and commitment. We Argentines don’t tolerate any more lies, bullying, authoritarianism or arrogance”.
The march was also spurred in Buenos Aires by Wednesday’s blackout which left the city with no power for hours and with scarce drinking water, a situation that persisted in some neighbourhoods early Thursday.
The blackout which the government is considering could have been “intentional”, and is investigating, but could also be the result of a consumption peak consequence of the heat wave, occurred a week after a similar situation when the Argentine capital services collapsed with torrential rains and flash floods.
“Somebody could have turned the lights off; we are investigating” said Federal Planning minister Julio De Vido, who only a month ago pledged that the government had taken all necessary precautions to avoid mayor blackouts of brownouts this summer.
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1 Troy Tempest(mariposa)
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=0iULyLwvV-A
How many times have you seen a protest of over a million people ?!!
Totally unprecedented !!
Well done Argentina !!!
Too bad CFK .
:/(
Better warm up Tango 01. Last flight out for CFK !!
In 2002, when they kicked the old guard out of power... :)
www.lanacion.com.ar/1524852-durante-la-marcha-agredieron-a-un-movilero-de-c5n
but the campora twats will be along soon enough to blame the huge masses of right wingers.........
Clarin newspaper group
Foreign interests
Far right groups
Criminals
Ghana
etc...
All rubbish of course.
The people have spoken.
See you still have your eyes closed! Sad little brainwashed monkey!
It's not like they are still there, mate. They all went home...
Secondly, the fact that people were coming from the south of the city. Obviously there will have been a huge amount but it is still important to bear this in mind. Again, last time the government supporters said that no-one came from the south and this was just an upper-middle class issue. Furthermore they said that, given that people from the south are poor and have to walk miles to get into the centre, it is a really big deal for them as it involves considerable sacrifice. As such, seeing people coming from the south of the city points to an erosion of support for the government. Whether this erosion will solidify, spread or contract we don't know. However, the interesting thing is that this bastion of support seems to be wavering.
It is this stupid attitude which has got her into the shit in the first place. I think she must be on super-sized stupidity pills for her numerous illnesses
The idiot who promised no brown outs, etc. now says he suspects criminals turned the lights out. Ha, ha, ha.
#7 Indeed, kic them out was said openly, bring them back to make us richer and the poor poorer was said a bit more sotto voce!
#14 You, Carmen Polo, are definately a far right winger
#17 How about “I'm standing for President if Cristina doesn't”, I'd back that =)
Yes a million or so people - just a small gathering!! Hahahahaha
Interesting to see a member of the campora trying to denigrate the huge demonstration by a false flag attack.
That incident just shows the Camporas true identity. Can't believe he didn't got his ass wooped by the crowd.
But I just can't wait to read whatever far fetched comments may come from the government...if any at all.
seriously, 100s of thousands march in protest, and its called a “damp squib”.
I guess if they took her out and shot her it would be more traditionally considered a serious protest then?
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“It's not like they are still there, mate. They all went home...”
Indeed, I think some people are getting carried away: they are forgetting the rather useful “lets rewrite history” technique of this Argentine Government..by next week this protest will have been written out of all history books and pompous ministers will say “What protest? DO you see anybody protesting? SURELY if there was a protest we would see something?”
in total, fairly unbiased seriousness, it is hilarious... you couldnt make it up! :-0
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“”“ We Argentines don’t tolerate any more lies, bullying, authoritarianism or arrogance”.”“”
wouldnt it be nice if that could be true of all governments all over the world?
Dream on....
'CFK - beware the ides of march!'
Some March .... some Ides!
Over a million Ides, all marching for a better life.
(This happened once in England ... a million people marched to right a wrong, ... but Blair never gave up either ... he lied his way into history and took world conflict to new levels.
It can happen even in the most structured societies.
“I hear your voices but I am not listening to your message.” )
Listening to massed unarmed marchers has never been popular with governments with their 'backs to the wall' and loss of power being the only other option.
rt.com/news/argentina-protest-march-government-304/
It's even worse than here.
NERO!
I'll health grounds, what a laugh, more like after her last bout of plastic surgery, the delagation in Cadiz would be wondering why Argentina had sent Donatelle Versace.
@7 I agree. Signs should have read “Let's just kill the cow.” Or would that, despite the constitutional right to protest, have been illegal?
@13 You would know. Would you like a list of common criminals? If you use Wikipedia and look at the article on “Argentine government”, there is a list of the 17 commonest criminals in argieland.
@27 Hang on, Burger King, in a few years you too will be able to live like an argie. This is the route. Scottish independence. Scottish poverty. Scottish bankruptcy. Scottish starvation. Scottish plague. Scottish who? More lebensraum for England!
@32 Serious suggestion. Lamp post. Meat hook. Piano wire necklace.
BUT. The word for ordinary argentines. Depose your corrupt, criminal “government”. End your criminal, false claims to the Falkland Islands forever. Grow up. Pay your debts. Try to act as if you understand the 20th century. The 21st may take you a little longer. Recognise that the law is what it is, not what you'd like it to be.
If one million marched, there will be ten times that who agreed but couldn't march.
@33 I agree about the anti-war march in the UK and Blair ignoring it. The difference is that we do not have a history of violence towards our Prime Minister. CFKC is in mortal danger if she hangs around too long and ignores her excitable people.
Through a statement, presidential doctors “advised against” the trip to avoid the “extra effort on your agenda” and the “jet lag by the time difference” with Spain. Last week the President had had an episode of fainting on the suspended one day his agenda. But he said in the text of the Presidential Medical Unit a strange calculation: said to attend the Summit will need 40 hours of flight, when in fact the flight to Spain takes between 12 and 13 hours.
Well they could land the presidential jet on St Helena or Ascension, for a little break, well just long enough to leave before the Vultures start circling. hehe!
go get those pots!
Maybe because it wasn't false flag and they supported it? Who sounds like the conspiracy nut now?!
#37 If that was her calculation, perhaps she should have gone to Spain to draw the golpistas out, once exposed they couldn't hope to consolidate a dictatorship in today's Latin America, and Cristina is no meek and mild Lugo, I could see her flying back to fight them =) More likely she really is suffering from the pressure of this despicable movement, which is why we comrades of hers in Argentina and around the world must send our solidarity and besos to reinforce her inner strength until she wins totally
#39 Nice to see you unmased as an out and out Nazi calling for lebensraun!
lol
Or how about:
BK = Marie Antoinette: “let them eat damp squib”.
BK,
Were the anit-war protests in Blair's time damp squibs, or did they spell the end?
Oh poor thing, it must be terrible being waited on hand and foot all day with millions of embezzled dollars in the bank.
That is exactly the arrogance people were protesting about. Maybe someone should tattoo on his forehead the message that the President should resign.
Perhaps he should borrow Timmermans ears then. I'm enjoying this too much!
''just internal problems''
Would you care to expand on this?
From the piece, it would appear to be quite serious internal problems.
''demanding less inflation, less crime, less arrogance, uprooting corruption, an end to the dollar clamp and no more re-re-elections.''
Anothoier bigger p[rotest is in the works.
never ever , never ever,
how many leaders have said that, and been humilitedly forced out,
we say, go now while you get away.
www.aljazeera.com/news/americas/2012/11/201211911150228531.html
“The people got tired, they really got tired of the government's lies,” said Arturo Feldman, a 23-year-old student who joined the protest near Buenos Aires' iconic obelisk.“
and i thought GUzz was telling us that the whole of argentina was united behind their queen?
How long, do people think, before the government over there come up with a new ”threat to world peace” via the Falklands... or have they already played that card too many times and, seemingly, far too early.?
Wow, ive just watched your link. Not just pots and pans, I heard a kazooo and if i'm not mistaken something remeniscent of my dogs squeakie chicken. Ooo, she is in some big trouble :-)
Show me the post you are referring to :)
btw, Arg is a republic, and the only way to get rid of CFK is by voting ;)
Yes, I thought the slide whistles when the old ladies were bending over to pick up their pan lids was a bit tastless though!
well, yes, but...
in this case they do have a point: if there is no legitimate alternative to the wicked witch of the west then what are you supposed to do? If you vote for nobody she just gets re-re-re-elected by default.
#51 Well the anti-war protests WERE ignored by war-criminal Blair, more's the pity
#53 Ma'am DESERVES to be waited on hand and foot and pampered in every way =)
Too old for you? were they 25?
Not even with yours my friend
I say asslips monument should be after she is burned.....her ashes should be flushed through the sewers via a toilet bowel.
Very clever move of the opposition not to be leading this protest. It is a real cross section of the population protesting her crazy politics. CFKC's biggest mistake was to take away freedom of choice from the people. Argentines do not like that one bit.
I was surprised that the dogs of maximo was not called out last night. I had heard that they wanted to send a message to try and stop this from building, so I thought they would be crusing last night.
I still think they will try and pin the blackouts on Macri.
She is looking weaker by the day, next is a general strike scheduled in Dec, then the extra payment is due for all employees, not looking very good for the hag.
I'm with Elaine, let the people drive her out and then someone will step up ( might be the 5th Prez again tho)...
As for these trolls comments on the Falklands.....complete jokers.
Personally, I know three decent Argentine families here in Sydney, Australia, and they migrated here in recent times to find the opportunities in life that they could only dream of their former homeland. They are all employed here and are fine citizens....and none of them have expressed any interest in returning home.....with fools like our trolls running their current government, that is hardly surprising.
All comments must be in english mate
What aboút Sydney Fish Market ?
I hear sométhing that there will be décoration,is it trúe ?
What a lap on lap wôrld
Argentine families in Australia..........
British Families in Chile.........
Indian Families in Britain..........
African Families in USA.................
Disenfranchised families in Argentina ..........
VS
1 million actively on the streets back in Argentina.
Certainly know who I pay more attention to.
At the end of the day every single regime has it's supporters, no matter how unpalatable, from the East German's with their Ostalgie to the North Korea DPRK community and so on...
The posters on Mercopress that support CFK all seem NOT to live in Argentina!
Maybe if they did, they wouldn't think she was so great.
(With one exception, the poster who seems to get an erection upon any photo posted of her).
This explains much.
@71 You missed your preferred option. Hand, foot and arse. Who's a bender, then?
#67.....The senate can impeach her, you don't know your own constitution or what a republic is?
I think it is funny that a couple months ago the gov't and our resident half wits were crowing about the banner crop they're expecting. But gosh darn it the weather got in the way! Who can they blame now?
If they have to import wheat I will laugh and laugh.
I told you that December was going to be a fun month to watch...
All they need now is Patacones...that will be the icing on the cake!
“More likely she really is suffering from the pressure of this despicable movement, which is why we comrades of hers in Argentina and around the world must send our solidarity and besos to reinforce her inner strength until she wins totally”
I thought this was a legitimate protest. Can you explain to me why you think this movement is “despicable”? What are they doing that is wrong, in your opinion?
You don't make any sense.
The Brother's Grimm stories - fits rather nicely with the current affairs don't you think?
Bet you are going to say you will have to cancel your proposed visit to Argentina.I mean 2.5% of the population protested and that could mean you might be caught in the protests that follow.
ElaineB can you expand on what the protesters wanted and who did they vote for last year.Argentina is a democracy so there is no reason for the USA or the UK to get involved in the affairs of Argentina.
The question is: How much more the brazilians will handle our corrupted party in power? We are almost reaching 40 ministeries. Anything with Ali Baba and the fourty thieves?
You ask…..
”Where is Think....? Maybe he's on a late spring vacation? Disappointingly no comment from him to date on a range of issues.”
I answer:
I’m out fishing in one of Neuquen’s lakes…….
www.biciclub.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/DSCN0122.jpg
Next week will be back, fishing at my home turf in Chubut….
You fancy my comment about this story....?
Well……What can I say?....... I’m damn proud of my Country today, matey!
A million people out on the streets demonstrating against the government and……............................
ZERO repression……...............; ZERO violence……...............; Zero fear.
Geeeeee…….. My Country and my fellow citizens certainly have leaped forwards in the last 30 years….
Did I remember to mention that I do feel damn proud of my country today?
Well…………......................... I do.
You may not agree with the protesters, neither do I, but don't talk about them like that =)
“The posters on Mercopress that support CFK all seem NOT to live in Argentina!”
I think you will find the majority of them do live in Argentina or SA (if they are indeed real posters not just another troll alias).
Most are aliases for the 2 or 3 Argentinian / Cámpora puppet-masters that troll this site.
You will notice that at different times of the day they seem to have different personalities and command of their command of English changes.
At times they will use their aliases talk to each other, another ploy is to bring in an alias to just to divert attention from the topic under discussion.
It is quite common for them, when they are losing an argument, to make inane comments such as “Yawn”, bring up the “Chagos Islands”, “the British killing innocent children”, refer you to another crazy conspiracy website.
www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=t7PmzdINGZk#t=51s
The protest last night did NOT ask for CFK to resign, go, drop dead, or any other “get off the hook” manouvre, what we want is for her and her ministers to LISTEN to the needs of the people, to RESPECT our desire to live without continual confrontation, and to do something positive about the REAL problems of Argentina such as: INSECURITY, GOVERNMENT CORRUPTION, INFLATION, GOVERNMENT LIES, NON COMPLIANCE WITH HER PRE-ELECTION POLITICAL PLATFORM to name just a few.
It would be nearly impossible to impeach her because of the make up of Congress, and that she would be succeded by Boudou the “Hundred peso king.”
Thank you.
Learn something new everyday.
@ 102 Simon68
According to this link provided by ProRG_American yesterday, listening is what she wants to do apparently.
english.telam.com.ar/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=16814
''Then all I am asking to each of the Argentines, and especially to the ruling classes, to say what they think and what they want for the country. Nobody will feel offended or will be disturbed”, she stated.''
Whether she actually does is another matter. Mind you, in the same piece linked to, she says there is ''a constant expansion of rights'' to which neither Guzz nor ProRG could explain why there is the 15% tax for spending abroad, or the Dollar clamp, yet still be an expansion of rights.
At least things passed of peacefully. I feared arrests would have been made at such a big gathering.
The drug dealer.....senator fernandez and no idea what the message is.....of course he does but that is the public stance he stakes.
BK I respects the trolls that support cfk more than you.....you are nothing but a leech, one of the lowest forms of humans there are. If I had my whithers I would cease you oxygen supply. You support a leader and have never seen the effect of what she has done to her country. You agree with all the trolls that support her, yet you seem not to think that it is not odd that they all live OUT OF COUNTRY that they claim to love. It leads me to conculde that you are infact a porteno and pretending to be Scotsman and the Scotsman I know would cease your existence before I could for the way you dishonor an actual Scotsman. And if (highly doubtful) you are Scotish, why have you not visited the country you claim to be in love with and lift your skirt nightly and drain the bonnie bonnie banks of your sad lonely Macintosh.
Your and older RG troll
No thanks.
I would bet a good 2/3rds of the upcoming Int'l tourists will cancel their trips just like I did! I will be on the beach in the Caribbean instead! Thanks for your concern!
December will be very interesting to watch.
Not 1 province can afford to pay the extra salary this year
Merry Christmas here is your packet of patacones
hahaha
america.infobae.com/notas/61166-Periodista-golpeado-en-plena-transmision-en-vivo
Yoú are moré dizzy thañ me .
Dont you knôw the réal first náme of Obama ís Husein.
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I wondér,How your húsband allow you to writé these hystérícal comméñts.
“Argentina is a democracy so there is no reason for the USA or the UK to get involved in the affairs of Argentina.”
Can you point to where the UK and USA is getting involved in RG affairs. Are you not some indian north of rgland? What concern is it of yours to defend RG ......ahhhhhh...honor ?(ROFLMAO).....dignity? Don,t bother the kirchners stole that from the ARgentines as well.
#103 populism never propels a country forward.
I think the responsibility is largely Nestors as HE defaulted. But the population isn't making the connection because they're duh.
Dont let this happen in your own countries .Do somethiñg before reaching the poiñt of no réturn ,
keep relax when watching this makes “” saw “” movies look like Barney the friendly dinosaur.Any resemblances with current eveñts in USA is a freakish coincídence and is likely to cause ínsomnia.
Very very dark húmored cômedy...
If we compare the Argentina/USA then
we shoúld say that the US population is not be so non-violent ás in Argentina.the WASP armed to becouse who has ruled for decades,the Civil Wár has left its permanent mark on the Southerns ,and will not forget and forgive the invasion by the Northern rulers both in the 1800s and 1900s...
Don't ñever forget..
The last official act of any govérnment is to loot the nátion.
america.infobae.com/notas/61166-Periodista-golpeado-en-plena-transmision-en-vivo”“”
lolol @ ProRG_notreallyamerican
is THAT the BEST that you can do to discredit the hundreds of thousands of people?
JUST THAT?
I guess you boys wont be getting a bonus this month from the party, its been a VERY, very poor showing from the CFK paid-supporters gang...almost tragically so.
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I thought it apposite to quite one of “the gang” of paid posters from JUST the 4th November on this very website....
““”“”.... nothing new is going on here the same english retards trashing Argentina, but let's remind them that Argentine around the world support CFK 100%“”“”“””
Oh how those words must burn now.... sorry chaps, but it really is amusing to see you all flat on your faces whilst the real Argentinians come out to show us foreigners that there are both decency and common sense in South America, and that, no, they arent all fooled by revisionist history and make-believe economics.
I sincerely hope though that somebody can come forward to help Argentina out of the CFK hole, its going to be very tough.
108# Poppy are you saying shut up and join the protest.Or are you saying think for yourself Yuleno?
''as I expected.You stay close to home and watch TN.''
What is as you expected?
What is TN?
These all fíctional cômments are baldérdash.
What is méaning of “” 8N “” ? ányone knows ?
Probáble you don't know,..let me explain it ...
The namé “” 8N “” is a reference to “” 7D “” next December 7 th the date the Government is súpposed to take over the “” CLARIN média group “”.
by the law “”Ley the medios K “”.,which the governmént swiftly approved so as to take ovér printed press,Tv and radio.
So in other words the government plans to take over a media group and regulate what they can and can't say? Wow, where did freedom of speech go?
What a week in Argentine politics!
I read they were about to open fire on the Ghanians....suuuuuuuuuuuuure. They military is a hell of a lot more powerful the the windjammer. One tak is all needed.
One million in BsAs, how many more million elswhere?
I'm a paid up member of my countries socialist party. Cristina's politics are neither right or left. She is a fascist who has done nothing to help the poor in this country!
She could have said humbly 'well, we recognize that there are problems and many argentines are unhappy with various issues and we respect their right to demonstrate. And despite the considerable number of people demonstrating we should take pride that it passed off peacefully. Argentina has come a long way in 30 years etc
Instead their response was
''yesterday (8N) something important happened - The new chinese communist party congress'' CFK
'I dont understand what their message was' A. Fernandez.
(despite thousands upon thousands of placards stating the same main issues)
Pathetic.
And TN is the television news station he apparently watches to get the news from Argentina.I don't know why he bothers.
Is that ok for you?
It is not important Raven.
Poppy can you explain what a technical reason for war is and then you might reflect and answer your question about intrfering in the affairs of other countries
*Leadership
*Economics
*Administration
*Business
*People Skills
*Diplomacy
* Or law, with her forged degree
lame dogs are put to sleep.......so should she be permenently sleeping.
Keep growing her 'retirement fund' (Wouldn't it be ironic if that stash was in the Cayman Islands, a British Overseas Territory).
Keep the populace in delusion at her ineptitude ( she's failing on this, and she's played the Malvinas card too much recently).
Screech at any opportunity in any place with other nations present.
Use membership of the G20 as a platform for saying Argentina is more developed than she has allowed it to be.
Nationalize as much as possible because then it can massage her ego feeling that she has more power and control over more people.
Let us hope that at the next election, the people of Argentina get someone who genuinely have their best interests at heart and not power crazed loonies like her.
............................Or a fool who can not see beyond the end of her own nose.
Planet / TMBOA / Ol' Turkey Neck sounds like a nice place to be right now........ The sun is shining, the sea is warm, nothing is wrong..........
english.telam.com.ar/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=16832:-qthe-problem-is-the-non-existence-of-a-political-leadership-that-presents-an-alternative-modelq-says-cristina-&catid=42:politics
english.telam.com.ar/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=16834:president-cristina-its-painful-and-shocking-that-some-argentines-are-on-the-side-of-the-vulture-fundsq&catid=42:politics
english.telam.com.ar/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=16835:i-am-following-very-closely-what-is-happening-in-the-us-china-and-the-eu-because-it-has-an-impact-over-us-all-said-the-chief-of-state&catid=42:politics
english.telam.com.ar/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=16821:argentine-president-we-could-articulate-economic-growth-with-social-inclusion-&catid=42:politics
Particularly if the brothers in question blockade the strangers houses, threaten them, and want to deny them their right to live peacefully and develop their own economy.
LOL....... I very much suspect that the biggest street party will be when KFC/ TMBOA / Ol' Turkey Neck / The Harpy is hanging up from the Obelisk by her big toes...........
uk wimps
[im never gonna give you up]
In this case it might her people giving her up
So they say…
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sussies back...
Some say that he once punched a lion and that Simon Le Bon wants him dead..................
come your jealousy is showing again.
...and some say that he eats live snakes and that there are 17 reasons why he is banned from McDonald's in Northampton............
.........and some say that when he puts his foot on the brakes, red lights light up in his buttocks..............
Your only brothers are those who will die for you.
#122 But you're one of the most rabid haters on here, ganging up with the British nationalists and American capitalists against your own country every time, are you really saying you're a member of Binner's party, the one Think also supports, when you're on the opposite side from him of every argument?
#126 ”She could have said humbly 'well, we recognize that there are problems and many argentines are unhappy with various issues and we respect their right to demonstrate. And despite the considerable number of people demonstrating we should take pride that it passed off peacefully. Argentina has come a long way in 30 years etc
Instead their response was
''yesterday (8N) something important happened - The new chinese communist party congress'' CFK”
Gotta love the humour there, the woman is on fire =) Why should she settle for boring platitutdes when she can make her point with such style and class?! Though she DID note, more eloquently than you, and as Think, ProRGAmerican, Guzz myself and others have, that the protest pased off peacefully, unlike when the right ruled, a point your side have had some difficulty with...
#132 Great links, and great articulate words from Cristina. I particularly liked the one about her sadness that some Argentines support the vulture funds, something that saddens me too - and even more so that Africans are fighting for them after what they did to that continent. I might switch from mercopress to Telam, they should get a forum going, maybe if they did we'd get to meet better posters there =)
Now the water and electricity is shut off.
Just need to move the boat.
Interesting week.
Telam - that well respected and independent government owned news agency run by the Communications Ministry.
Also very heartening to not see anyone make light of the very real struggles facing the average Argentine due to catastrophic mismanagement of their country. Certainly some decent patriots here, not blinded by regime subterfuge and distraction techniques.
good work.
“. I might switch from mercopress to Telam, they should get a forum going,”
Oh, God. Please do !!
Now, you too are sounding like Sussie and Rollmeoverintheclover - dramatic declaration “ I don't like the posters on here, I'm leaving” and of course, never going anywhere because you are paid to post here.
:-D
Same people as usual mate, what did you expect... ;)
As our US posters might say,
Keep drinking the Kool-aid.
Macri (head of government in the city of Buenos Aires), and other politicians of various parties (even opposing ones) attempting to bank on the protest, stated obvious and useless remarks like “People are being heard nationwide joined by a single flag” (the Argentinean, of course, the same one waved by the president's supporters!). The protest was, more than anything, a cry of desperation for not having a representative opposition with a reasonable plan and having any chance at winning the next elections.
Why do a significant number of your citizens go hungry why Maximo is so fat?
And you call yourself a socialist country. Stop exporting your blueberries to Tesco and feed your citizens?
We are, duh.. leaders in solar electric vehicles, vegetarianism, permaculture, organics, recycling, have no factory farms, and have among the Biggest conservation areas on both land and ocean.
Switzerland, (clean, 4% unemployment, stable currency, direct democracy) isn't Greece (no medicine in the pharmacies) but they're only a few hundred miles away from each other.
North Korea is starving, South Korea is clean & green, and wealthier than Latin America. The difference is the system.
If you want to know..many Argentines and yourself, wherever you come from, sound like the American South.
'She referred to the massive protests held yesterday against the government saying that “the true problem is the lack of a political leadership to represent an alternative model.”
“We cannot bear the responsibility for that,” she warned adding ”we believe in our (model). Those who don't believe in our model, should be generating a project based on what society wants.”
'
At the end of the day and with the coming up of the sun etc... there is no opposition.... just a disorganised rabble..
FFS RG peoples.. get your shit together...
Justice achieved by the profits of injustice makes for the most injust of existences.
Another moral slap :)
Don't think they are ready for truths of that dimension friend, they are barely accepting their role is outplayed...
Can you guys only speak in negatives?
Weird..
:)))
This looks like Rock In Rio Argentina was supposed to lool.
“The northern social and economic model is Fool's Gold, and right now the fools are paying for it.”
Sure. Ask Guzz who claims to be in Denmark.
Population.
Argentina: 41.6 million
Denmark: 5.5 million
Foreign currency reserve.
Argentina: US$ 45 000 000 000 = per capita: US$ 1 081
Denmark: . US$ 85 000 000 000 = per capita: US$ 15 454
Annual trade surplus.
Argentina: US$ 13 000 000 000 = per capita: US$ 512
Denmark: . US$ 17 000 000 000 = per capita: US$ 3 090
Oh yes, they are paying for it - aren't they?
”There was also a lot of uninformed opinion taken by journalists, like “stop corruption” (without proof, or even stating what or who precisely),”
Corruption list ranking order (lowest number best):
1. New Zealand
2. Denmark
3. Finland
4. Sweden
.
10. Canada
.
20. Belgium & Ireland
.
30. Cyprus
.
70. Ghana + 4 more
.
80. Greece + 5 more
.
90. Zambia + 3 more
.
100. Argentina + 11 more
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Index_of_perception_of_corruption#Rankings
160 ziggy
“when actually, more than 50% of the population loves her and would vote for her again”
69 percent voted (even though voting is mandatory!) and Cristina got 54 percent, which is just *** 37.7 percent *** of the population.
Argentina 2011 Crime and Safety Report.
Street crime appears to be increasingly common and more violent than in the past, often perpetrated with a firearm or other deadly weapon.
Many criminals are armed and ready to use their weapons at the first sign of resistance. Crimes occur at all hours, and armed robberies often take place during business hours.
Province of Buenos Aires: The January-June 2010 statistics state that there were a total of 314,597 reported cases involving adults.
Democracy Index rating 2011 (lowest number best)
Norway 1. ..... 9.80 Full democracy
Iceland 2. .... 9.65 Full democracy
Denmark 3. .... 9.52 Full democracy
Sweden 4. ..... 9.50 Full democracy
New Zealand 5.. 9.26 Full democracy
Australia 6. .. 9.22 Full democracy
Switzerland 7.. 9.09 Full democracy
.
.
Mexico 50. ... 6.93 Flawed democracy
Argentina 51.. 6.84 Flawed democracy
Bulgaria 52... 6.78 Flawed democracy
viewswire.eiu.com/index.asp?layout=VWArticleVW3&article_id=568674641®ion_id=1510000351&refm=vwReg&page_title=Latest%20analysis
List of countries by Human Development Index ranking order (lowest number best):
1. Norway
2. Australia
3. Netherlands
4. United States
5. New Zealand
.
45. Argentina
hdr.undp.org/en/media/HDR_2011_EN_Tables.pdf
Argentina on top?
”#160 Brilliant comment =)“
Surely you meant to write: ”complete rubbish” as I have just proven it totally wrong.
Official government spin on events - pure propaganda
The people hate CFK and want decent government with no corruption.
This is a grassroots uprising with no specific leader.
Just one target: CFK
Denmark sent troops to fight an illegal war, government (with Anders Fogh Rasmussen in charge) lying to it's population about their reasons as to why invade a sovereign nation. They also let CIA flights land on Danish ground to transport civilians to different secret torturing camps, all against every international treaty they've signed themselves. Rasmussen went to become the general secretary of NATO...
Does this figure in your “corruption list”?
Matter of fact, the ones making your “corruption list” are the most corrupted in this planet, and your list isn't even appropiate for toilet paper...
The fact that USA comes 4th in your “human development” list is rather alarming. If you classify school massacres as positive development of humanity, they we might have a problem...
The conclusion is that your lists are made by yourselves and pretty much useless for anything but spreading misinformation.
Try again.
Son, son, son.. You perceive the truth as a knife or a fork might the flavour of food.... You try to defend the indefenceable and not only show what a fool you are but what a bunch of liars, thieves you side with.
Told you, keep your disgusting wet dreams away from me.
I really don't need to hear what you do with your family members!!
I mean it.
Approximately yes, if she's not planning on staying in Spain...
What? You need her boarding pass with exact time schedule on?
Don't think you'll find that...
Flight time from the Canary Islands to BA is shorter than from Rio Gallegos to Mallorca. Back and forth, between 30-40 hours, depending on your destination.
What is your point, except of desperately proove you haven't got one?
Weekly protests are on the order.......more protests, she will never come out of her bed, her ultimate grave.
largas protestas en vivo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
25D is on order next!!!
Flight time isn't the same as effective flight time either.
Bottom line is, what difference does it make if it takes 32, 36, 40 or 45 hours?
Maybe she should fly from Chile if the flight time is too much for her from RG land? (Oh the poor little thing) It only takes 14 hours to fly from Santiago to Madrid on a direct flight! She could even go first class, very comfortable seats. I'm sure she has enough $ tucked under her bed to afford the flight.
Have you decided if your Rg, Uruguyan, Swedish, or Danish yet? Are you a 50 year old ex ships engineer or still a 20 year old student living in northern europe?
and there you go about massacares in the US again. If you want to convince people you aren't a born again deadbeat you have to at least try to take on different characteristics.
millions of Argentines are in agreement with the lists - should tell you they are reliable.
You are - as usual - in denial of the unpleasant real world.
If you want to convince people you aren't a deadbeat, you'll have to.... You'll have to... Uhm... You'll have to... Do something drastic...
( Yawn ) Oh son, son, son...
Have you decided if you're Argentine, Uruguyan, Swedish, or Danish yet? Are you a 50 year old ex ships engineer or still a 20 year old student living in northern europe?
If YOU want to convince people you aren't a deadbeat, you'll have to.... You'll have to... Uhm... You'll have to... Do something drastic......
Either N8 will bring her down,
Or she will survive until the next one..
.
QUE VIVA CRISTINA! The best president Argentina had in 40 years.
Really are you sure?
1 million Argies turn up to bring call for her administrations destruction, and you say she is loved? Fool.
1, cain and able
2, argetines,, perhaps.
In brothers you mean, no sisters,
And the parents especially the mother was exhausted after 40 million sons,
6.7 billion Foreigners, rather self pompys aint you.
Or do you really mean
Millions of argentines, but not all necessarily united,
And approx 6.5 billion over seas people, that may not all be foreigners,
As they say over a million of your brothers are over their.
Just a thought..
.
Women are equal today,
And frankly where would man be , without women giving birth to them.
The only thing sacred today, is life its self, to which certain individuals care not, when they slaughter the innocent.
If alien is filthy, then this would have to include ones self, as others of your belief may not //will not // do not live in Argentina,
And thus may think yours is filthy.
Man will never be free, as long as we have greedy little corrupt brain dead indocronoughts, that have no love of care for his fellow man,,, and woman..
We are now approaching November 11th,
Have to go now, to respect my fellow comrades,
Back Monday. People,,,,,,,,,,//
Alien is filthy, but alien is also irrelevant. Your filth is not mine, nor is it my concern, for foreigner you are, and as nothing you are counted.
Believe, believe! Believe you can escape the logic of the ways of Earth, but it is an illusion, a rat-race you can never conquer, a rat's den you can't ever escape.
A rat, a rat, rat.
Here I've got a news flash for you, god is either a women or he doesn't exist. Take your pick.
A rib is not pure.
Foreigners accost us, foreigners threaten us with their mere existence, for enemies are any who are from beyond.
Thank God Im an Atheist.
And a foreigner is a fiend, thus even an angel fiend, tis my enemy.
Away with those from beyond, as even the most wretched of my brothers is better than the best of the outside.
And why is that my pedigree chum?
Just personal values.
As little bad character as foreigners are a race. Unreasonable prejudice yes, 1/5 there Troy. At least you are being true to yourself, of all your drivel, 20% is true...
So you and Friend “Dam edge conTroll” are racists as well!!!!!
Oh wonderful!! You would, before you dig yourselves any deeper, read again what “Troy Tempest” has posted at 219 and then take a good look at yourselves in the mirror..... but no, why would you? Maturity and class? those are things that other people have arn't they?
What race have I ever insulted?
You are aiming at clouds, deadbeat...
And the sages tell us: “undeserved dislike is irrational, irrational dislike is deserved.”
Foreigners irrationaly dislike us, my feelings were engendered by the behavior of the outsider, not by the nature of my character.
I trully loathe arrogance and hypocrisy, the two qualities most evident with foreigners I have met here.
The laws of nature must thus take their course.
And were are you from then, sir?
Which is???????
You seem very determined to hate foreigners, an intractable position to justify anything
No point arguing with you.
My statement @219 still stands,
“Shows immaturity, low self esteem, unreasonable prejudice, racial intolerance, and bad character, but no, not against the law.
Just personal values.”
Who are “the Sages”??
Who, in your mind made them an authority??
How did they get an email account??
Back on topic:
Looks like CFK is in serious doo-doo with HER OWN PEOPLE, not foreigners !!
But it is defensive hate, the righteous hate.
Do you live in a secret land?
At least we know that a land and a people such as yourselves, hating all foreign lands, would not want the Falklands. They are as foreign from you as possible.
Again, enough of your off-topic gibberish.
CFK will soon be living amongst foreigners exclusively, but rest assured she will take lots of money from home, to comfort her. :-D
Troll, where do you live??
It is a secret land only to the foreign, only to those that seek our bane, our extirpation and to throttle our breath.
Mainland? So you're an Argie? Oh that explains the benign hatred?
Beyond them, keep away from the tramontane and the beyondseas.
“And the sages tell us: “undeserved dislike is irrational, irrational dislike is deserved.” ”
Well, as long as your fears and hatred are irrational, I suppose that's fine then.
Meanwhile,
CFK seems rattled.
Will she attempt a violent clampdown on her own people on December 7th ?
Or,
Will she cut her losses and take the 'last Tango' to Caracas with her loot ??
After all, isn't she 'the servant of the people', entrusted with their well-being, and promising “good governance” for all of Argentina???
You ok with this? It seems to me that you are trying to have a conversation with a person who as a book of fortune cookie add ins....
If this keeps up I think that “Dam edge conTroll” will dissappear back into it's own book of Chinese quotations..........
But would you not say a gem is not polished without rubbing, nor a man perfected without trials?
He who strikes the first blow admits he's lost the argument.
Again you speak with the wise words of our ancestors, master.
Tell me, is it not true that they say:-
When you have only two pennies left in the world, buy a loaf of bread with one, and a lily with the other.
My ancestor is the honorable Elio_0j0s_Amarillos, primogeniture of the wiseman Giorgio O Tsoukalos... he in turn is the result of amphigony by the master Arifu Gobakuwi. And Arifu himself is the blessed numinous Sage descended DIRECTLY from the ultimate force of the digital world, the now legendary, exalted, Sire Truth Telling Troll... both hero and worst nightmare of the fiends, the tramontanes, and the foreign.
As you can see, my lineage showcases a panoply of wisdom and probity.
Again, I bow to your wisdom, ages old and still as sharp as a rapiers blade... But, please master, please do tell me, for is it not said that:-
If a man goes to bed with an itchy bottom, will he not wake in the morning with a smelly finger?
Try soap...
For that's why theq trully civilized nations of the Orb have bidets, and all other nations must wake up in the morning.
Yawn.....Are you going to tell us what specific country you hail from or not? Because if your are trying to create a hollywood sense of fear, respect and coolness around your self, it isn't working.
You must be an Argie......as you have no ability to back up your ideology, once challenged.
a clue to “Dam edge conTroll” identity, I think, lies in his post at 246...... unless you already know the “who” and want to know the “Where”
Sorry must of missed that one!
@254
My god TTT what has happened to you? And why are you asking about Bidets?
Yeah I do. but I never use it. I've always been clean and serene. :)
And I care why?
Heres one for you; And as one Argie said to another:
1st Argie: “You know I really hate this dictatorship, they have murdered 30,000 of our fellow countrymen.”
2nd Argie: “Did you here? Galtieri has invaded the islands!”
1st Argie: Woooh Junta!!!, Malvinas Argentine!“
2nd Argie: What about the murders and suppression of freedom?”
1st Argie: Who cares!? The Malvinas are all that matter!!!
Heres one for you; And as one Brit said to another:
1st Brit: “You know I really hate our Governments, they have murdered a million of our fellow men, women and children in Irak and Afghanistan.”
2nd Brit: “Did you hear? BP got an oil contract of 20 sixtillion £ Sterling!”
1st Brit: Woooh Tories, Labour!!!, they Rule the Waves!“
2nd Brit: What about the million murders?”
1st Brit: Who cares!? The money is all that matters!!!
?????
BP? The UK government could solve world peace and make the UK the richest country on earth tomorrow and they would still be despised, you see we in the UK aren't blinded by the words of politicians, the Iraq war began and the vast bulk of the British public came out against Tony and Co, as opposed to the Falklands were hundreds of thousands of Argies came to BA cheering on a dictatorship that was murdering them. Money? As I just said the British public were against the war and were outraged by the oil revelations, were as I just said in regards to Argie land were you all came out cheering.
@261
Did we really kill 10 million Muslims? Oh thats right............we didn't. Fool.
a score and a year ago were sent on a mission of ruthless might,
for the objective was verily the black honey that fuels their lights,
and for this they slain the innocent with no account for plight.
His alter-ego, “the swede” seems to have been knocked out, too.
I hope so...
He is certainly absent - could be “off-shift” or gone...
One one thread, Think was on a roll, on attack, when “theSwede” appeared and had a conversational exchange with him through a couple of posts. Guzz had been absent for awhile, but “Swede” was very familiar with Think and used a similar style to Guzz.
I identified the “Swede” as “Guzz” on my post reply.
The next time I logged in, the entire post of “the swede” was deleted.
Perhaps Guzz's IP had been flagged. Guzz had been challenging the credibility and integrity of the editors of MP.
Gosh !! I sound like a Troll Conspiracy Theorist, LOL LOL
#260 Good point, though thank God we're not all like that =)
a few links for you
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