Friday, November 9th 2012 - 05:08 UTC

8N knock out for Cristina Fernandez who nevertheless said “I will never give up”

Hundreds of thousands of protestors, probably a million according to some estimates, took to the streets of Buenos Aires on Thursday evening to hold the 8N pot-banging demonstration against the administration of Argentine President Cristina Fernandez.

The massive concentration at the Obelysk

Argetine protestors in London

CFK addressing government officials and promising to never yield

Similar gatherings took place in the Greater Buenos Aires and other major Argentine cities as well as in tens of overseas cities in front of Argentine embassies and consulates, as confirmed by the social networks and twitters.

In Buenos Aires the concentration point was the Obelisk and the wide 9 de Julio Avenue, probably the widest in the world, which was tight-packed with the numerous columns (19) reaching out to other emblematic areas of the Argentine capital.

The build up of the march via internet major social networks, Facebook, Twitter, with minimum political organization, evolved with no incidents and with a huge display of Argentine flags and protest signs calling for the defence of democracy and institutions, demanding less inflation, less crime, less arrogance, uprooting corruption, an end to the dollar clamp and no more re-re-elections.

The march, which has been described as popular and impulsive to a mere ploy by the opposition, according to opposite ends of the political spectrum had already had its first protests set in front of the Argentine Consulate in Australia by expats living in the Oceania.

Social networks also contributed largely to the overseas set up summoning pot-banging in front of Argentine embassies and consulates in Germany (Berlin, Frankfurt, Bonn, Hamburg); Austria; Bolivia, Brazil (Río de Janeiro, Sao Paulo, Belo Horizonte); Canada (Toronto, Montreal); Chile (Santiago, Valparaíso); China; Colombia; Costa Rica; England; France; Israel (Tel aviv, Hertzlia Pituah, Migdal Haemek); Italy (Roma, Milan, Padova); Japan, Mexico; Norway; Panama; Paraguay; Peru; Spain (Barcelona, Madrid, Málaga, Palma de Mallorca, Valencia); South Africa; Sweden; Switzerland; Netherlands (Hague, Amsterdam); Uruguay (Montevideo, Punta del Este, Maldonado, Colonia); US (Washington DC, Miami, New York, Boston, Chicago, Los Angeles, Las Vegas, Houston) and even in Venezuela, Cristina Fernandez closest ally.

Likewise an estimated 20.000 gathered next to the presidential residence in suburban Olivos, where President Cristina Fernandez was staying and banged pots and pans for almost three hours, before dissolving peacefully.

The unprecedented outpour to the streets to protest, probably the strongest blow the Cristina Fernandez administration has received, overwhelmed the previous 13 September march and surprised organizers and the government. Another surprise was the fact that some of the columns that concentrated at the Obelisk came from the south of the city, traditionally the workers neighbourhoods, politically faithful to the government.

Earlier in the afternoon President Cristina Fernandez evoked her late husband, Nestor Kirchner and criticized without mentioning it, the 8N demonstration and pledging to never give up.

After enumerating a long list of achievements in the ‘won’ decade, the President said despite adverse situations such as the struggle with the farmers, or the electoral defeat in 2009, Nestor Kirchner never gave up or run away but also admitted defeat, and kept on fighting lifting his head even higher.

“And that is what he taught me: never give up, not even in the worst moments, because that is when you calibre true leaders” she emphasized.

Addressing the Argentine-Chile ministerial meeting, as well as diplomats, governors, members of Congress and top officials, (who on this occasion were not enthusiastic about a family picture), the President insisted that “the last decade has been a successful decade for the region, because we have gained in inclusion, in growth, in development and we have been able to overcome that thing that made incompatible economic growth with social inclusion”.

However the build up to 8N was not without crossed accusations and claims of other interests involved. From government lines the opposition and the media were targeted as responsible for the protest, but the opposition said it was clearly a people’s organized march with “no political colours or identification”.

The government’s sharp tongue and former cabinet chief, Senator Anibal Fernandez did not spare comments: “I have no doubt that the mobilization is an invention of the paid extreme-right wing, although there are people who want to march because there are things they do not like.”

Government supporter Grandmothers of Plaza de Mayor president Estela Barnes de Carlotto said “The protest is not useful for anyone, because it lacks a petition with proposals, (although) I don’t dispute it, because it’s a constitutional right.”

From his twitter Buenos Aires city mayor Mauricio Macri said “people are making themselves heard in all the country under an only flag”.

Member of Congress Francisco de Narvaez said “people are demanding from the government and from opposition: we want the real problems to be solved”.

Ricardo Alfonsin from the leading opposition group twitted: “8N: my respects and commitment. We Argentines don’t tolerate any more lies, bullying, authoritarianism or arrogance”.

The march was also spurred in Buenos Aires by Wednesday’s blackout which left the city with no power for hours and with scarce drinking water, a situation that persisted in some neighbourhoods early Thursday.

The blackout which the government is considering could have been “intentional”, and is investigating, but could also be the result of a consumption peak consequence of the heat wave, occurred a week after a similar situation when the Argentine capital services collapsed with torrential rains and flash floods.

“Somebody could have turned the lights off; we are investigating” said Federal Planning minister Julio De Vido, who only a month ago pledged that the government had taken all necessary precautions to avoid mayor blackouts of brownouts this summer.

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1 Troy Tempest (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 05:32 am Report abuse
“8-N, I won't go”

2 Guzz (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 05:40 am Report abuse
40 million didn't...

3 Marcos Alejandro (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 05:46 am Report abuse
2 Guzz :-)))))))

1 Troy Tempest(mariposa)
4 Troy Tempest (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 05:47 am Report abuse
@2 Guzzano

How many times have you seen a protest of over a million people ?!!

Totally unprecedented !!

Well done Argentina !!!

Too bad CFK .

Better warm up Tango 01. Last flight out for CFK !!
5 Guzz (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 05:52 am Report abuse
In 2002, when they kicked the old guard out of power... :)
6 Troy Tempest (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 05:54 am Report abuse
Bodes well, then... :-)
7 Guzz (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 06:06 am Report abuse
Difference is that the signs back then read “kick them all out” instead of yesterdays “no more insecurity” ;)
8 MaxAue (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 06:35 am Report abuse
CFK - beware the ides of march!
9 surfer (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 06:36 am Report abuse
Respect to these people.
10 Troy Tempest (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 06:38 am Report abuse
“Kick them all out” sounds good !
11 MaxAue (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 06:56 am Report abuse
Finally we got to see guzz's ugly face
12 surfer (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 07:09 am Report abuse
A reminder of how the free press need a great deal of bravery in this country.
13 Guzz (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 07:14 am Report abuse
That's the price you pay when you side with common criminals with the sole purpose of adding numbers ;)
14 KFC de Pollo (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 07:20 am Report abuse
well done argentina, this wasn't just insecurity. its also due to inflation, incompetence of the government and corruption!

but the campora twats will be along soon enough to blame the huge masses of right wingers.........
15 surfer (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 07:34 am Report abuse
They will blame it on:

Clarin newspaper group
Foreign interests
Far right groups

All rubbish of course.

The people have spoken.
16 brit abroad (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 07:40 am Report abuse
Oh Dear Guzz,

See you still have your eyes closed! Sad little brainwashed monkey!
17 Gordo1 (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 07:41 am Report abuse
Even in London! I wonder what inane declaration Alicia Castro will come out with - if she dares!
18 Santa Fe (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 07:56 am Report abuse
Trolls this is your D- Day, all Trolls to report in, dont know how you are going to polish this one, but good luck and best of Le Campora luck, the enemy is at the gates we will prevail.....zieg ....zieg
19 Guzz (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 08:05 am Report abuse
It's not like they are still there, mate. They all went home...
20 Britworker (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 08:50 am Report abuse
Now where do tyrannical despot presidents choose for exile when Argentina is unavailable, my guess would be Venezuela. Should start to see high ranking members if her government disappearing first, that is usually the start.
21 Boovis (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 08:56 am Report abuse
Meanwhile, KFC behind closed doors :“You know who's to blame for this? The Falklands, those pesky keepers. Quick, unite the country behind a patriotic cause and invade for the motherland!” I effing dare you.
22 reality check (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 09:09 am Report abuse
History of politics should warn her that she ignores her public at her peril.
23 surfer (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 09:28 am Report abuse
No regime supporters here today, the people of Argentina have spoken and silenced them.
24 falklandlad (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 09:34 am Report abuse
Where is Think? Maybe he's on a late spring vacation? Disappointingly no comment from him to date on a range of issues. Perhaps he's busily reinvigorating the troops and their pots and pans in Santa Cruz!
25 Welsh Wizard (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 09:39 am Report abuse
Interesting for a couple of reason. Firstly the number of people protesting, more than I expected. I was in Argentina for the last one and government supporters (in general) were saying that the numbers showed that no-one really supported the protest.

Secondly, the fact that people were coming from the south of the city. Obviously there will have been a huge amount but it is still important to bear this in mind. Again, last time the government supporters said that no-one came from the south and this was just an upper-middle class issue. Furthermore they said that, given that people from the south are poor and have to walk miles to get into the centre, it is a really big deal for them as it involves considerable sacrifice. As such, seeing people coming from the south of the city points to an erosion of support for the government. Whether this erosion will solidify, spread or contract we don't know. However, the interesting thing is that this bastion of support seems to be wavering.
26 ChrisR (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 10:05 am Report abuse
TMBOA promises never to yield.

It is this stupid attitude which has got her into the shit in the first place. I think she must be on super-sized stupidity pills for her numerous illnesses

The idiot who promised no brown outs, etc. now says he suspects criminals turned the lights out. Ha, ha, ha.
27 British_Kirchnerist (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 10:06 am Report abuse
Seems like a damp squib to me. Wonder how many made up their minds to attend at the last minute because they were angry about the power cut - if they discover Macri did it they'll turn their anger on him! Any Argentines wanting British style austerity and maybe a British style, Tory Party style government, should do well to ponder this seminal report by the mainstream news in my country:

#7 Indeed, kic them out was said openly, bring them back to make us richer and the poor poorer was said a bit more sotto voce!

#14 You, Carmen Polo, are definately a far right winger

#17 How about “I'm standing for President if Cristina doesn't”, I'd back that =)
28 Spainexpat (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 10:13 am Report abuse
@BK “Seems like a damp squib to me.”

Yes a million or so people - just a small gathering!! Hahahahaha
29 Frank (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 10:19 am Report abuse
I think a million or so trumps the half dozen that burnt the Union Flag outside the British embasssy or the similar number that 'reclaimed' the 'Black Pig' for Argentina.
30 St.John (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 10:42 am Report abuse
@ 11 MaxAue

Interesting to see a member of the campora trying to denigrate the huge demonstration by a false flag attack.
31 MaxAue (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 10:49 am Report abuse

That incident just shows the Camporas true identity. Can't believe he didn't got his ass wooped by the crowd.

But I just can't wait to read whatever far fetched comments may come from the government...if any at all.
32 Anbar (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 11:04 am Report abuse
lol @ some of the pro-CFK responses in this thread.

seriously, 100s of thousands march in protest, and its called a “damp squib”.

I guess if they took her out and shot her it would be more traditionally considered a serious protest then?


“It's not like they are still there, mate. They all went home...”

Indeed, I think some people are getting carried away: they are forgetting the rather useful “lets rewrite history” technique of this Argentine next week this protest will have been written out of all history books and pompous ministers will say “What protest? DO you see anybody protesting? SURELY if there was a protest we would see something?”

in total, fairly unbiased seriousness, it is hilarious... you couldnt make it up! :-0


“”“ We Argentines don’t tolerate any more lies, bullying, authoritarianism or arrogance”.”“”

wouldnt it be nice if that could be true of all governments all over the world?

Dream on....
33 GeoffWard2 (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 11:05 am Report abuse
MaxAue (#8)
'CFK - beware the ides of march!'
Some March .... some Ides!
Over a million Ides, all marching for a better life.

(This happened once in England ... a million people marched to right a wrong, ... but Blair never gave up either ... he lied his way into history and took world conflict to new levels.
It can happen even in the most structured societies.
“I hear your voices but I am not listening to your message.” )

Listening to massed unarmed marchers has never been popular with governments with their 'backs to the wall' and loss of power being the only other option.
34 Idlehands (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 11:39 am Report abuse
Keep an eye on the comments:

It's even worse than here.
35 Britworker (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 11:43 am Report abuse
When I saw the picture I thought at first it was Tahrir Square in Cairo. Well done, you have finally made the UK news, Reuters have run a story on this. It is interesting reading some of the banners stating there is no free press, many a time there have been dreadful news articles on Mercopress regarding the Argentine economy, yet nothing to be seen in the B A Herald, state controlled media just like Venezuela
36 Zhivago (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 11:45 am Report abuse
37 Britworker (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 11:53 am Report abuse
Hmmm, I wonder why she chose not to disappear to Spain just right now. Coup, coup, coup. I will catch that dasterdly pidgeon!
I'll health grounds, what a laugh, more like after her last bout of plastic surgery, the delagation in Cadiz would be wondering why Argentina had sent Donatelle Versace.
38 Mendoza Canadian (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 11:54 am Report abuse
Guzz...the common criminals here are the government...
39 Conqueror (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 11:54 am Report abuse
@2 & 3 Still desperate to claim that you represent argieland? I don't care. As far as I'm concerned, argieland still has 41,281,631 war criminals. Plus the cowards that flee overseas. Guzzle is in the top 10. As is Twinky, Islas wherever, “gutless of Canada”, “Margo the fart”, “Burger King”, the Scottish Necrophiliac Ponce representative. Please look up while I have a crap.
@7 I agree. Signs should have read “Let's just kill the cow.” Or would that, despite the constitutional right to protest, have been illegal?
@13 You would know. Would you like a list of common criminals? If you use Wikipedia and look at the article on “Argentine government”, there is a list of the 17 commonest criminals in argieland.
@27 Hang on, Burger King, in a few years you too will be able to live like an argie. This is the route. Scottish independence. Scottish poverty. Scottish bankruptcy. Scottish starvation. Scottish plague. Scottish who? More lebensraum for England!
@32 Serious suggestion. Lamp post. Meat hook. Piano wire necklace.

BUT. The word for ordinary argentines. Depose your corrupt, criminal “government”. End your criminal, false claims to the Falkland Islands forever. Grow up. Pay your debts. Try to act as if you understand the 20th century. The 21st may take you a little longer. Recognise that the law is what it is, not what you'd like it to be.
40 ElaineB (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 12:00 pm Report abuse
CFKC blathered on about 'never yielding' BEFORE the march. I suspect she will go as she has been ramping up her 'illness' again, cancelling her trip to Spain because she 'must not have any additional pressure'.

If one million marched, there will be ten times that who agreed but couldn't march.

@33 I agree about the anti-war march in the UK and Blair ignoring it. The difference is that we do not have a history of violence towards our Prime Minister. CFKC is in mortal danger if she hangs around too long and ignores her excitable people.
41 Sir Rodderick Bodkin (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 12:09 pm Report abuse
8N was only the beginning. We will continue with this for as long as we can.
42 Pirate Love (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 12:10 pm Report abuse
unlucky Argentina you are set for another term of dictocracy, enjoy suckers!!!
43 agent999 (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 12:12 pm Report abuse
Through a statement, presidential doctors “advised against” the trip to avoid the “extra effort on your agenda” and the “jet lag by the time difference” with Spain. Last week the President had had an episode of fainting on the suspended one day his agenda. But he said in the text of the Presidential Medical Unit a strange calculation: said to attend the Summit will need 40 hours of flight, when in fact the flight to Spain takes between 12 and 13 hours.
44 Britworker (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 12:19 pm Report abuse
Well they could land the presidential jet on St Helena or Ascension, for a little break, well just long enough to leave before the Vultures start circling. hehe!
45 MaxAue (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 12:27 pm Report abuse
@33 GeoffWard2 - read your Shakespeare you fool.
46 Guzz (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 12:28 pm Report abuse
hit her with all you got, you will still not get her :)

go get those pots!
47 gustbury (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 12:33 pm Report abuse
just internal problems,Brit goverment is a external problem for us!!!
48 Britworker (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 12:33 pm Report abuse
The rain is Spain falls mainly not on Argentinas plane
49 ElaineB (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 12:38 pm Report abuse
@43 Yeah, I mentioned that in another thread.....what route is she intending to fly? 40 hours? I hop across time zones all the time and unless it is 8+ time difference, the effect is minimal. I suspect it is all building to her excuse to leave office.
50 British_Kirchnerist (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 12:40 pm Report abuse
#31 “That incident just shows the Camporas true identity. Can't believe he didn't got his ass wooped by the crowd”

Maybe because it wasn't false flag and they supported it? Who sounds like the conspiracy nut now?!

#37 If that was her calculation, perhaps she should have gone to Spain to draw the golpistas out, once exposed they couldn't hope to consolidate a dictatorship in today's Latin America, and Cristina is no meek and mild Lugo, I could see her flying back to fight them =) More likely she really is suffering from the pressure of this despicable movement, which is why we comrades of hers in Argentina and around the world must send our solidarity and besos to reinforce her inner strength until she wins totally

#39 Nice to see you unmased as an out and out Nazi calling for lebensraun!
51 Condorito (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 12:43 pm Report abuse
36 Zhivago (#)
Or how about:
BK = Marie Antoinette: “let them eat damp squib”.

Were the anit-war protests in Blair's time damp squibs, or did they spell the end?
52 Foxtrot Indigo (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 12:54 pm Report abuse
The voice of the people has been heard and CFK must heed the advice they give her. So, let’s hope that Argentina also heeds the voice of the people from the Falkland Islands in March’s referendum. There are some things in life dear CFK that you just can’t ignore, no matter how much make-up you put on LOL
53 Britworker (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 12:54 pm Report abuse
Oh poor thing, it must be terrible being waited on hand and foot all day with millions of embezzled dollars in the bank.
54 ElaineB (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 12:55 pm Report abuse
“Kirchnerite Senator Aníbal Fernández assured today that the mass anti-government protest carried out last night did not make him “lose sleep” and furthermore that he was unable to “understand its message.”

That is exactly the arrogance people were protesting about. Maybe someone should tattoo on his forehead the message that the President should resign.
55 Britworker (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 01:02 pm Report abuse
Perhaps he should borrow Timmermans ears then. I'm enjoying this too much!
56 Raven (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 01:07 pm Report abuse
@ 47 gustbury

''just internal problems''

Would you care to expand on this?

From the piece, it would appear to be quite serious internal problems.
''demanding less inflation, less crime, less arrogance, uprooting corruption, an end to the dollar clamp and no more re-re-elections.''
57 Guzz (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 01:08 pm Report abuse
No messages asking for CFK to resign, craploads of them asking for more security though...
58 Captain Poppy (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 01:09 pm Report abuse
Perhaps when she has her turkey neck carved on the table will they realized that is is serious anb a building storm. Hurrices start as a mild depression, yet over the course of time, builds into one of natures most furious events to hit man's endeavors. This too will continue to build as long as she is in power.
Anothoier bigger p[rotest is in the works.
59 briton (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 01:11 pm Report abuse
I will never give up,
never ever , never ever,
how many leaders have said that, and been humilitedly forced out,

we say, go now while you get away.
60 Anbar (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 01:12 pm Report abuse
First “interviewee is... class!”
61 Guzz (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 01:13 pm
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62 Britworker (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 01:16 pm Report abuse
“never give up, never surrender”. Not very original, she has pinched that from Galaxy Quest.
63 Captain Poppy (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 01:16 pm Report abuse
The situation in Argentina is a classic case of the application of the “Peter Principle”. CFK unfortunately rose to that level of the principle and for the people of Argentina, they are the ones paying the price on incompetence.
64 Anbar (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 01:17 pm Report abuse

“The people got tired, they really got tired of the government's lies,” said Arturo Feldman, a 23-year-old student who joined the protest near Buenos Aires' iconic obelisk.“

and i thought GUzz was telling us that the whole of argentina was united behind their queen?

How long, do people think, before the government over there come up with a new ”threat to world peace” via the Falklands... or have they already played that card too many times and, seemingly, far too early.?
65 Captain Poppy (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 01:21 pm Report abuse
CFK is so stupid and arrogent. For someone who is more concerned with her legacy, she is now writting her history as the most incompetent president Agentina has put forth. But it's not to be unexpected with their history of crisis cycles every ten years or so. Why break the trend now.
66 Britworker (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 01:25 pm Report abuse
Wow, ive just watched your link. Not just pots and pans, I heard a kazooo and if i'm not mistaken something remeniscent of my dogs squeakie chicken. Ooo, she is in some big trouble :-)
67 Guzz (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 01:28 pm Report abuse
I said that? Impossible, I'm uite aware of these weasels and common criminals...
Show me the post you are referring to :)

btw, Arg is a republic, and the only way to get rid of CFK is by voting ;)
68 Captain Poppy (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 01:30 pm Report abuse
Lot's of kazoos.....but hey, it's just the impulsive actions of the few wealthy Argentina that are not putting forth solutions. I never knew that when you protest against something you are suppose to provide an alternative?
69 Britworker (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 01:34 pm Report abuse
Yes, I thought the slide whistles when the old ladies were bending over to pick up their pan lids was a bit tastless though!
70 Anbar (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 01:35 pm Report abuse
“”“ I never knew that when you protest against something you are suppose to provide an alternative?”“”

well, yes, but...

in this case they do have a point: if there is no legitimate alternative to the wicked witch of the west then what are you supposed to do? If you vote for nobody she just gets re-re-re-elected by default.
71 British_Kirchnerist (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 01:39 pm Report abuse
#46 I know, she's hard as nails, a iron lady. Go go ma'am, we love you =)

#51 Well the anti-war protests WERE ignored by war-criminal Blair, more's the pity

#53 Ma'am DESERVES to be waited on hand and foot and pampered in every way =)
72 Guzz (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 01:42 pm Report abuse
Too old for you? were they 25?
73 Britworker (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 01:45 pm Report abuse
Not even with yours my friend
74 Captain Poppy (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 01:46 pm Report abuse
Maybe they just need to start holding signs that they want to be part of the world again and not an ostracized nation. Everything thast the kirchner's have implemented made them a wealthier couple and the people of Argentina more dependent and poorer. Some of the trolls here have said that GOD is argry with America, hence the hurricane Sandy. Perhaps GOD was angry with the kirchner's and asslips is next to follow nestor.
I say asslips monument should be after she is burned.....her ashes should be flushed through the sewers via a toilet bowel.
75 ElaineB (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 01:51 pm Report abuse
I think there is opposition but they are keeping quiet for now. We have seen how Maximo's attack dogs go after anyone with an eye on the presidency. When she is forced to go they will step up.

Very clever move of the opposition not to be leading this protest. It is a real cross section of the population protesting her crazy politics. CFKC's biggest mistake was to take away freedom of choice from the people. Argentines do not like that one bit.
76 Captain Poppy (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 01:56 pm Report abuse
Elaine so of my wives family are Admin assistants, essentially secreataries (they hate that word in the USA). They where there marching.......her bosses who are fairly well off men, Harvard educated and former CEO's where also marching. Everyone was marching from all walks and social strata.
I was surprised that the dogs of maximo was not called out last night. I had heard that they wanted to send a message to try and stop this from building, so I thought they would be crusing last night.
I still think they will try and pin the blackouts on Macri.
77 yankeeboy (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 02:11 pm Report abuse
It is very hard to spin this protest as you can see by the feeble attempts by our resident half wits.
She is looking weaker by the day, next is a general strike scheduled in Dec, then the extra payment is due for all employees, not looking very good for the hag.
I'm with Elaine, let the people drive her out and then someone will step up ( might be the 5th Prez again tho)...
78 Captain Poppy (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 02:16 pm Report abuse
Whomever is the one to step, they need to accept all the missteps taken and get back into the real world.
79 Agustin Tomas O'brien Caceres (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 02:19 pm
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80 Diddles (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 02:24 pm Report abuse
The obvious lack of credibility of posters like Guzz, Marcos Alejandro, British Kirchnerist is examplified very well by their poor responses to this article. One doubt's your true patriotism when you can support such an inept government which is dragging its people on a downward spiral.....what are they paying you fools to sprout such garbage....are your eyes open.....or are you asleep at wheel.

As for these trolls comments on the Falklands.....complete jokers.

Personally, I know three decent Argentine families here in Sydney, Australia, and they migrated here in recent times to find the opportunities in life that they could only dream of their former homeland. They are all employed here and are fine citizens....and none of them have expressed any interest in returning home.....with fools like our trolls running their current government, that is hardly surprising.
81 Foxtrot Indigo (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 02:36 pm Report abuse

All comments must be in english mate
82 TipsyThink (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 02:38 pm Report abuse

What aboút Sydney Fish Market ?
I hear sométhing that there will be décoration,is it trúe ?

What a lap on lap wôrld

Argentine families in Australia..........
British Families in Chile.........
Indian Families in Britain..........
African Families in USA.................
83 Guzz (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 02:43 pm
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84 Orbit (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 02:46 pm Report abuse

Disenfranchised families in Argentina ..........
85 surfer (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 02:47 pm Report abuse
2-3 people on here who presumably support the current regime
1 million actively on the streets back in Argentina.

Certainly know who I pay more attention to.

At the end of the day every single regime has it's supporters, no matter how unpalatable, from the East German's with their Ostalgie to the North Korea DPRK community and so on...
86 Raven (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 03:03 pm Report abuse
@ 80 Diddles

The posters on Mercopress that support CFK all seem NOT to live in Argentina!

Maybe if they did, they wouldn't think she was so great.

(With one exception, the poster who seems to get an erection upon any photo posted of her).
87 surfer (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 03:13 pm Report abuse
'Knee deep in the big muddy'

This explains much.
88 atk357 (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 03:18 pm Report abuse
“I will never give up”...really? Hitler, Mussolini, Peron, Ghadafi, Mubarak, Husein, Asad ....should I say more? Her days are numbered, keep pushing and she'll crack.
89 Conqueror (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 03:27 pm Report abuse
@67 Not true. Assassination is a useful method. Remember your constitutional rights. Kill the cow!
@71 You missed your preferred option. Hand, foot and arse. Who's a bender, then?
90 ElaineB (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 03:40 pm Report abuse
It never rains but it...... a huge downpour is expected in BsAs today. With all that stinking, toxic rubbish on the streets I think people are going to get even more annoyed.
91 Musky (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 03:46 pm Report abuse
Bout time the argentine people acted. CFK has dragged her country down the drain.
92 Captain Poppy (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 03:49 pm Report abuse
#88 all despots and all despot always say they will never give up. In real democracies, the leaders know when to go.....Nixon resigned. Granted he exceeded hios authority and we were about ther impeach but nonetheless he resigned. As should asslips. In real democracies, the head of the state is nothing more then the administrator of the government. The real power is in the congress or parliment. Argentina's congress should act while flame is burning.
#67.....The senate can impeach her, you don't know your own constitution or what a republic is?
93 yankeeboy (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 04:04 pm Report abuse
They definitely don't need any more rain! The estimate is 11 Billion of lost crops from the PREVIOUS storms.
I think it is funny that a couple months ago the gov't and our resident half wits were crowing about the banner crop they're expecting. But gosh darn it the weather got in the way! Who can they blame now?

If they have to import wheat I will laugh and laugh.

I told you that December was going to be a fun month to watch...

All they need now is Patacones...that will be the icing on the cake!
94 bushpilot (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 04:10 pm Report abuse
@50 BK

“More likely she really is suffering from the pressure of this despicable movement, which is why we comrades of hers in Argentina and around the world must send our solidarity and besos to reinforce her inner strength until she wins totally”

I thought this was a legitimate protest. Can you explain to me why you think this movement is “despicable”? What are they doing that is wrong, in your opinion?

You don't make any sense.
95 Foxtrot Indigo (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 04:36 pm Report abuse
”The enchantress (CFK) was so hard-hearted that she banished the poor girl (agrentina) to a wilderness, where she had to live in a miserable, wretched state”
The Brother's Grimm stories - fits rather nicely with the current affairs don't you think?
96 Yuleno (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 04:38 pm Report abuse
Bet you are going to say you will have to cancel your proposed visit to Argentina.I mean 2.5% of the population protested and that could mean you might be caught in the protests that follow.
ElaineB can you expand on what the protesters wanted and who did they vote for last year.Argentina is a democracy so there is no reason for the USA or the UK to get involved in the affairs of Argentina.
97 DeMouraBR (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 04:39 pm Report abuse
Finally the argentinians are waking up! This populism will leave them in nowhere! Good one Hermanos! i'm proud of you!
The question is: How much more the brazilians will handle our corrupted party in power? We are almost reaching 40 ministeries. Anything with Ali Baba and the fourty thieves?
98 Think (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 04:42 pm Report abuse
(24) falklandlad

You ask…..
”Where is Think....? Maybe he's on a late spring vacation? Disappointingly no comment from him to date on a range of issues.”

I answer:
I’m out fishing in one of Neuquen’s lakes…….
Next week will be back, fishing at my home turf in Chubut….

You fancy my comment about this story....?
Well……What can I say?....... I’m damn proud of my Country today, matey!
A million people out on the streets demonstrating against the government and……............................
ZERO repression……...............; ZERO violence……...............; Zero fear.

Geeeeee…….. My Country and my fellow citizens certainly have leaped forwards in the last 30 years….

Did I remember to mention that I do feel damn proud of my country today?
Well…………......................... I do.
99 British_Kirchnerist (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 04:50 pm Report abuse
#90 “With all that stinking, toxic rubbish on the streets”

You may not agree with the protesters, neither do I, but don't talk about them like that =)
100 Leiard (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 04:52 pm Report abuse
@80 & @86

“The posters on Mercopress that support CFK all seem NOT to live in Argentina!”

I think you will find the majority of them do live in Argentina or SA (if they are indeed real posters not just another troll alias).

Most are aliases for the 2 or 3 Argentinian / Cámpora puppet-masters that troll this site.

You will notice that at different times of the day they seem to have different personalities and command of their command of English changes.

At times they will use their aliases talk to each other, another ploy is to bring in an alias to just to divert attention from the topic under discussion.
It is quite common for them, when they are losing an argument, to make inane comments such as “Yawn”, bring up the “Chagos Islands”, “the British killing innocent children”, refer you to another crazy conspiracy website.
101 MaxAue (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 04:52 pm Report abuse
Meanwhile at the Presidential mansion in Olivos.
102 Simon68 (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 04:59 pm Report abuse
Dear All,

The protest last night did NOT ask for CFK to resign, go, drop dead, or any other “get off the hook” manouvre, what we want is for her and her ministers to LISTEN to the needs of the people, to RESPECT our desire to live without continual confrontation, and to do something positive about the REAL problems of Argentina such as: INSECURITY, GOVERNMENT CORRUPTION, INFLATION, GOVERNMENT LIES, NON COMPLIANCE WITH HER PRE-ELECTION POLITICAL PLATFORM to name just a few.

It would be nearly impossible to impeach her because of the make up of Congress, and that she would be succeded by Boudou the “Hundred peso king.”
103 Raven (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 05:16 pm Report abuse
@ 100 Leiard

Thank you.

Learn something new everyday.

@ 102 Simon68

According to this link provided by ProRG_American yesterday, listening is what she wants to do apparently.

''Then all I am asking to each of the Argentines, and especially to the ruling classes, to say what they think and what they want for the country. Nobody will feel offended or will be disturbed”, she stated.''

Whether she actually does is another matter. Mind you, in the same piece linked to, she says there is ''a constant expansion of rights'' to which neither Guzz nor ProRG could explain why there is the 15% tax for spending abroad, or the Dollar clamp, yet still be an expansion of rights.

At least things passed of peacefully. I feared arrests would have been made at such a big gathering.
104 Captain Poppy (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 05:18 pm Report abuse
Simon, regardless of the makeup of congress.....unless you carry sign to tell her to “MOVE ON” in the words of George Soros, this will always be meaningless
The drug dealer.....senator fernandez and no idea what the message is.....of course he does but that is the public stance he stakes.
BK I respects the trolls that support cfk more than are nothing but a leech, one of the lowest forms of humans there are. If I had my whithers I would cease you oxygen supply. You support a leader and have never seen the effect of what she has done to her country. You agree with all the trolls that support her, yet you seem not to think that it is not odd that they all live OUT OF COUNTRY that they claim to love. It leads me to conculde that you are infact a porteno and pretending to be Scotsman and the Scotsman I know would cease your existence before I could for the way you dishonor an actual Scotsman. And if (highly doubtful) you are Scotish, why have you not visited the country you claim to be in love with and lift your skirt nightly and drain the bonnie bonnie banks of your sad lonely Macintosh.
Your and older RG troll
105 yankeeboy (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 05:29 pm Report abuse
Yul, Of oucrse I canceled my trip to BA! Americans don't travel to places that are in the midst of collapse. And you are right I don't want to be trapped there or be in the middle of something really ugly. The last time there were these huge protests the crowds attacked the nice hotels!
No thanks.
I would bet a good 2/3rds of the upcoming Int'l tourists will cancel their trips just like I did! I will be on the beach in the Caribbean instead! Thanks for your concern!
December will be very interesting to watch.
Not 1 province can afford to pay the extra salary this year
Merry Christmas here is your packet of patacones
106 ProRG_American (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 05:33 pm Report abuse
The ways of the opposition.
107 TipsyThink (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 06:12 pm Report abuse

Yoú are moré dizzy thañ me .
Dont you knôw the réal first náme of Obama ís Husein.



I wondér,How your húsband allow you to writé these hystérícal comméñts.
108 Captain Poppy (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 06:16 pm Report abuse
Yulena, I heard the flatulence recently and assumed you wopuld be showing up.

“Argentina is a democracy so there is no reason for the USA or the UK to get involved in the affairs of Argentina.”

Can you point to where the UK and USA is getting involved in RG affairs. Are you not some indian north of rgland? What concern is it of yours to defend RG ......ahhhhhh...honor ?(ROFLMAO).....dignity? Don,t bother the kirchners stole that from the ARgentines as well.

#103 populism never propels a country forward.
109 Ayayay (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 06:26 pm Report abuse
This is just the beginning because they're PLANNING a devaluation, they've been really active in the currency market to make the sharp drop seem like a gentle slide.

I think the responsibility is largely Nestors as HE defaulted. But the population isn't making the connection because they're duh.
110 TipsyThink (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 06:36 pm Report abuse
Many posted simílar YouTube vidéos before,but its worth remembering so as to not allow thése things to happen again.

Dont let this happen in your own countries .Do somethiñg before reaching the poiñt of no réturn ,
keep relax when watching this makes “” saw “” movies look like Barney the friendly dinosaur.Any resemblances with current eveñts in USA is a freakish coincídence and is likely to cause ínsomnia.

Very very dark húmored cômedy...

If we compare the Argentina/USA then
we shoúld say that the US population is not be so non-violent ás in Argentina.the WASP armed to becouse who has ruled for decades,the Civil Wár has left its permanent mark on the Southerns ,and will not forget and forgive the invasion by the Northern rulers both in the 1800s and 1900s...

Don't ñever forget..

The last official act of any govérnment is to loot the nátion.
111 Anbar (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 06:43 pm Report abuse
“”“The ways of the opposition.”“”

lolol @ ProRG_notreallyamerican

is THAT the BEST that you can do to discredit the hundreds of thousands of people?


I guess you boys wont be getting a bonus this month from the party, its been a VERY, very poor showing from the CFK paid-supporters gang...almost tragically so.

I thought it apposite to quite one of “the gang” of paid posters from JUST the 4th November on this very website....

““”“”.... nothing new is going on here the same english retards trashing Argentina, but let's remind them that Argentine around the world support CFK 100%“”“”“””

Oh how those words must burn now.... sorry chaps, but it really is amusing to see you all flat on your faces whilst the real Argentinians come out to show us foreigners that there are both decency and common sense in South America, and that, no, they arent all fooled by revisionist history and make-believe economics.

I sincerely hope though that somebody can come forward to help Argentina out of the CFK hole, its going to be very tough.
112 Yuleno (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 06:55 pm Report abuse
103# as I expected.You stay close to home and watch TN.
108# Poppy are you saying shut up and join the protest.Or are you saying think for yourself Yuleno?
113 Dam edge conTroll (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 06:57 pm
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114 Raven (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 07:00 pm Report abuse
@ 112 Yuleno

''as I expected.You stay close to home and watch TN.''

What is as you expected?

What is TN?
115 TipsyThink (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 07:01 pm Report abuse
This amáteurish web sité had should explain what is “” 8N“” ?
These all fíctional cômments are baldérdash.

What is méaning of “” 8N “” ? ányone knows ?

Probáble you don't know,..let me explain it ...

The namé “” 8N “” is a reference to “” 7D “” next December 7 th the date the Government is súpposed to take over the “” CLARIN média group “”.
by the law “”Ley the medios K “”.,which the governmént swiftly approved so as to take ovér printed press,Tv and radio.
116 Foxtrot Indigo (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 07:14 pm Report abuse

So in other words the government plans to take over a media group and regulate what they can and can't say? Wow, where did freedom of speech go?
117 Captain Poppy (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 07:18 pm Report abuse
Yuleno I am asking where does the UK and USA get involved in argentina's affairs?
118 Dam edge conTroll (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 07:21 pm Report abuse
“The foreign element is by nature pernicious and destructive, even when harboring the best of intentions. And the most baleful dregs of one's own cannot in all their nemorous whims inflict the septimation of society like an extraneous force. For even one's dregs, are one's own, and there they belong”.
119 surfer (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 07:36 pm Report abuse
Looks like it's kicking off with the Libertad too now, sailors getting armed, water/power off...

What a week in Argentine politics!
120 Captain Poppy (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 07:55 pm Report abuse
#118 if you are going to speak english.....use english context.

I read they were about to open fire on the Ghanians....suuuuuuuuuuuuure. They military is a hell of a lot more powerful the the windjammer. One tak is all needed.
121 ChrisR (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 07:59 pm Report abuse
Has anybody obtained the numbers attending protest meetings around the rest of the country.

One million in BsAs, how many more million elswhere?
122 KFC de Pollo (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 08:29 pm Report abuse
@27 you call me a right winger! you are a moron!

I'm a paid up member of my countries socialist party. Cristina's politics are neither right or left. She is a fascist who has done nothing to help the poor in this country!
123 Brit Bob (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 08:39 pm Report abuse
Argieland going down the pan - rapido!
124 Captain Poppy (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 08:40 pm Report abuse
you are correct that she is neither left or right.....she is a facist and populist, which will get Argentina nowhere fast she everyonecan easily see. She has no established plan at all.
125 Mendoza Canadian (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 09:04 pm Report abuse
She still has not made a comment about last night. As usual she is going to ignore the people...again. God help her the next time. Oh she did mention the journalist who was attacked by the “violent protesters”. Time to wake up...
126 Tobers (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 09:21 pm Report abuse
Why does she and her cabinet have to be so damn arrogant, condescending and generally offensive? Sign of weakness and insecurity Id say.

She could have said humbly 'well, we recognize that there are problems and many argentines are unhappy with various issues and we respect their right to demonstrate. And despite the considerable number of people demonstrating we should take pride that it passed off peacefully. Argentina has come a long way in 30 years etc

Instead their response was

''yesterday (8N) something important happened - The new chinese communist party congress'' CFK

'I dont understand what their message was' A. Fernandez.
(despite thousands upon thousands of placards stating the same main issues)

127 Yuleno (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 09:39 pm Report abuse
Raven- the comment you ask about is directed to yankeeboy(the prophet of argentina's demise) who has been saying that he is to visit Argentina in November but as I expected he is not now visiting.(I knew he was dreaming)
And TN is the television news station he apparently watches to get the news from Argentina.I don't know why he bothers.
Is that ok for you?
It is not important Raven.
Poppy can you explain what a technical reason for war is and then you might reflect and answer your question about intrfering in the affairs of other countries
128 Captain Poppy (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 09:39 pm Report abuse
#126 She is infallible, incapable of mistakes. The biggest mistake the perfect person makes is thinking they are perfect. Her lack of humility shows the leadership excellence that she lacks. She knows nothing about:
*People Skills
* Or law, with her forged degree

lame dogs are put to should she be permenently sleeping.
129 Raven (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 09:45 pm Report abuse
CFK's agenda seems to be:

Keep growing her 'retirement fund' (Wouldn't it be ironic if that stash was in the Cayman Islands, a British Overseas Territory).

Keep the populace in delusion at her ineptitude ( she's failing on this, and she's played the Malvinas card too much recently).

Screech at any opportunity in any place with other nations present.

Use membership of the G20 as a platform for saying Argentina is more developed than she has allowed it to be.

Nationalize as much as possible because then it can massage her ego feeling that she has more power and control over more people.

Let us hope that at the next election, the people of Argentina get someone who genuinely have their best interests at heart and not power crazed loonies like her.
130 toooldtodieyoung (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 09:49 pm Report abuse
“And that is what he taught me: never give up, not even in the worst moments, because that is when you calibre true leaders” she emphasized.

............................Or a fool who can not see beyond the end of her own nose.

Planet / TMBOA / Ol' Turkey Neck sounds like a nice place to be right now........ The sun is shining, the sea is warm, nothing is wrong..........
131 Dam edge conTroll (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 09:51 pm Report abuse
When brothers fight, strangers delight -- Martin Fierro
132 ProRG_American (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 09:59 pm Report abuse
Breaking news. No time to loose partying in the streets. Work must go on.
133 Orbit (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 10:02 pm Report abuse

Particularly if the brothers in question blockade the strangers houses, threaten them, and want to deny them their right to live peacefully and develop their own economy.
134 Captain Poppy (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 10:03 pm Report abuse
135 toooldtodieyoung (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 10:06 pm Report abuse
132 ProRG_American

LOL....... I very much suspect that the biggest street party will be when KFC/ TMBOA / Ol' Turkey Neck / The Harpy is hanging up from the Obelisk by her big toes...........
136 agent009 (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 10:10 pm Report abuse
Isolde is making most of the UK comments! She needs the extra pay.
137 agent_007 (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 10:25 pm Report abuse
conqueeeeeeeeeeee captain poppy simon68zhivago cannot start shooting?
uk wimps
138 briton (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 10:27 pm Report abuse
Some say, they can hear her singing Rick Ashley’s song
[im never gonna give you up]

In this case it might her people giving her up
So they say…
sussies back...
139 toooldtodieyoung (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 10:35 pm Report abuse
138 briton

Some say that he once punched a lion and that Simon Le Bon wants him dead..................
140 Ayayay (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 10:40 pm Report abuse
The United States are pretty united in comparison.
141 briton (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 10:45 pm Report abuse
their both old lions now themselves lol.
142 briton (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 10:49 pm Report abuse
more nappy changing sussie,

come your jealousy is showing again.
143 toooldtodieyoung (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 10:51 pm Report abuse
142 briton

...and some say that he eats live snakes and that there are 17 reasons why he is banned from McDonald's in Northampton............
144 briton (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 10:53 pm Report abuse
live snakes ,, yuck,
145 agentUKrotten (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 10:53 pm Report abuse
I am a man, a big man, tell me where you are.... big UK wimp
146 toooldtodieyoung (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 10:56 pm Report abuse
144 briton

.........and some say that when he puts his foot on the brakes, red lights light up in his buttocks..............
147 Dam edge conTroll (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 10:58 pm Report abuse

Your only brothers are those who will die for you.
148 surfer (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 11:10 pm Report abuse
CFK is well represented here
149 British_Kirchnerist (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 11:13 pm Report abuse
#98 Welcome back Think, and well said =)

#122 But you're one of the most rabid haters on here, ganging up with the British nationalists and American capitalists against your own country every time, are you really saying you're a member of Binner's party, the one Think also supports, when you're on the opposite side from him of every argument?

#126 ”She could have said humbly 'well, we recognize that there are problems and many argentines are unhappy with various issues and we respect their right to demonstrate. And despite the considerable number of people demonstrating we should take pride that it passed off peacefully. Argentina has come a long way in 30 years etc

Instead their response was

''yesterday (8N) something important happened - The new chinese communist party congress'' CFK”

Gotta love the humour there, the woman is on fire =) Why should she settle for boring platitutdes when she can make her point with such style and class?! Though she DID note, more eloquently than you, and as Think, ProRGAmerican, Guzz myself and others have, that the protest pased off peacefully, unlike when the right ruled, a point your side have had some difficulty with...

#132 Great links, and great articulate words from Cristina. I particularly liked the one about her sadness that some Argentines support the vulture funds, something that saddens me too - and even more so that Africans are fighting for them after what they did to that continent. I might switch from mercopress to Telam, they should get a forum going, maybe if they did we'd get to meet better posters there =)
150 surfer (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 11:16 pm Report abuse
Interested to see how the Libertad story develops following the armed standoff, well the sailors were armed.

Now the water and electricity is shut off.

Just need to move the boat.

Interesting week.
151 agent999 (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 11:22 pm Report abuse

Telam - that well respected and independent government owned news agency run by the Communications Ministry.
152 surfer (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 11:28 pm Report abuse
So good to see everyone on here supporting the 1m plus in their peaceful protests, sadly it seems the regime leadership has not appreciated the depth of dissatisfaction.

Also very heartening to not see anyone make light of the very real struggles facing the average Argentine due to catastrophic mismanagement of their country. Certainly some decent patriots here, not blinded by regime subterfuge and distraction techniques.

good work.
153 Troy Tempest (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 11:45 pm Report abuse
@150 Bitter Kirchnerist

“. I might switch from mercopress to Telam, they should get a forum going,”

Oh, God. Please do !!

Now, you too are sounding like Sussie and Rollmeoverintheclover - dramatic declaration “ I don't like the posters on here, I'm leaving” and of course, never going anywhere because you are paid to post here.

154 Dam edge conTroll (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 11:47 pm Report abuse
The northern social and economic model is Fool's Gold, and right now the fools are paying for it.
155 Guzz (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 11:48 pm Report abuse
Same people as usual mate, what did you expect... ;)
156 Raven (#) Nov 09th, 2012 - 11:48 pm Report abuse
@ 150 British_Kirchnerist

As our US posters might say,

Keep drinking the Kool-aid.
157 Ayayay (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 12:05 am Report abuse
When we get together in my state it's for sustainability ed like Earth Day, or city celebrations
158 Guzz (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 12:08 am Report abuse
...comes from the biggest polluters of the planet, seems you should gather less and act more then..
159 Dam edge conTroll (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 12:09 am Report abuse
Not voicing remonstrance against injustice means not injustice has spared you, it means injustice has conquered you.
160 ziggy (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 12:12 am Report abuse
It is very important to note who, of all Argentineans, went to bang pots to the street. And perhaps more importantly, who didn't, purposely. Most people went to the protest stating their frustration, but without clear demands, other than a increasing surveillance and control as a way for reducing crime (the official policy is reducing crime by reducing poverty and empowering the justice system, instead of by adding more police). There was also a lot of uninformed opinion taken by journalists, like “stop corruption” (without proof, or even stating what or who precisely), “basta” (stop, stop what?), “we don't want her” or “go away” (to be replaced by whom exactly?), “nobody can't stand her” (when actually, more than 50% of the population loves her and would vote for her again), “there's no separation of power” (presenting no evidence for such an absurd and preposterous claim).

Macri (head of government in the city of Buenos Aires), and other politicians of various parties (even opposing ones) attempting to bank on the protest, stated obvious and useless remarks like “People are being heard nationwide joined by a single flag” (the Argentinean, of course, the same one waved by the president's supporters!). The protest was, more than anything, a cry of desperation for not having a representative opposition with a reasonable plan and having any chance at winning the next elections.
161 Beef (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 12:33 am Report abuse
RGs answer me this.

Why do a significant number of your citizens go hungry why Maximo is so fat?

And you call yourself a socialist country. Stop exporting your blueberries to Tesco and feed your citizens?
162 Dam edge conTroll (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 12:49 am Report abuse
Hunger is at its most reprehensible and iniquitous when ensconced among those peoples who profess to live in plenty.
163 JuanGabriel (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 01:06 am Report abuse
surely there would have been 2m if there were free choripans
164 Ayayay (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 01:27 am Report abuse
@159 We're in the top cleanest subregions in the world, unlike the Argentina subregion.

We are, duh.. leaders in solar electric vehicles, vegetarianism, permaculture, organics, recycling, have no factory farms, and have among the Biggest conservation areas on both land and ocean.

Switzerland, (clean, 4% unemployment, stable currency, direct democracy) isn't Greece (no medicine in the pharmacies) but they're only a few hundred miles away from each other.

North Korea is starving, South Korea is clean & green, and wealthier than Latin America. The difference is the system.

If you want to know..many Argentines and yourself, wherever you come from, sound like the American South.
165 Frank (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 02:20 am Report abuse
She.. the MBOA.. doesn't often make sense... however..
'She referred to the massive protests held yesterday against the government saying that “the true problem is the lack of a political leadership to represent an alternative model.”

“We cannot bear the responsibility for that,” she warned adding ”we believe in our (model). Those who don't believe in our model, should be generating a project based on what society wants.”
At the end of the day and with the coming up of the sun etc... there is no opposition.... just a disorganised rabble..

FFS RG peoples.. get your shit together...
166 Dam edge conTroll (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 02:33 am Report abuse

Justice achieved by the profits of injustice makes for the most injust of existences.
167 Guzz (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 02:38 am Report abuse
Another moral slap :)
Don't think they are ready for truths of that dimension friend, they are barely accepting their role is outplayed...
168 Ayayay (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 02:44 am Report abuse
@166Our subregion are leaders in fair-trade-that's AWESOME profit.

Can you guys only speak in negatives?
169 Dam edge conTroll (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 02:48 am Report abuse
Fair trade that strips bare the downtrodden is still fair pillage.
170 Guzz (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 02:51 am Report abuse
Tóma ya!

171 Ayayay (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 03:26 am Report abuse
We make our money on eco tourism, arts & entertainment.
This looks like Rock In Rio Argentina was supposed to lool.
172 St.John (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 04:45 am Report abuse
@ 154 Dam edge conTroll

“The northern social and economic model is Fool's Gold, and right now the fools are paying for it.”

Sure. Ask Guzz who claims to be in Denmark.

Argentina: 41.6 million
Denmark: 5.5 million

Foreign currency reserve.
Argentina: US$ 45 000 000 000 = per capita: US$ 1 081
Denmark: . US$ 85 000 000 000 = per capita: US$ 15 454

Annual trade surplus.
Argentina: US$ 13 000 000 000 = per capita: US$ 512
Denmark: . US$ 17 000 000 000 = per capita: US$ 3 090

Oh yes, they are paying for it - aren't they?
173 Don Alberto (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 05:18 am Report abuse
@ 160 ziggy

”There was also a lot of uninformed opinion taken by journalists, like “stop corruption” (without proof, or even stating what or who precisely),”

Corruption list ranking order (lowest number best):

1. New Zealand
2. Denmark
3. Finland
4. Sweden
10. Canada
20. Belgium & Ireland
30. Cyprus
70. Ghana + 4 more
80. Greece + 5 more
90. Zambia + 3 more
100. Argentina + 11 more

160 ziggy

“when actually, more than 50% of the population loves her and would vote for her again”

69 percent voted (even though voting is mandatory!) and Cristina got 54 percent, which is just *** 37.7 percent *** of the population.

Argentina 2011 Crime and Safety Report.
Street crime appears to be increasingly common and more violent than in the past, often perpetrated with a firearm or other deadly weapon.
Many criminals are armed and ready to use their weapons at the first sign of resistance. Crimes occur at all hours, and armed robberies often take place during business hours.
Province of Buenos Aires: The January-June 2010 statistics state that there were a total of 314,597 reported cases involving adults.

Democracy Index rating 2011 (lowest number best)

Norway 1. ..... 9.80 Full democracy
Iceland 2. .... 9.65 Full democracy
Denmark 3. .... 9.52 Full democracy
Sweden 4. ..... 9.50 Full democracy
New Zealand 5.. 9.26 Full democracy
Australia 6. .. 9.22 Full democracy
Switzerland 7.. 9.09 Full democracy
Mexico 50. ... 6.93 Flawed democracy
Argentina 51.. 6.84 Flawed democracy
Bulgaria 52... 6.78 Flawed democracy

List of countries by Human Development Index ranking order (lowest number best):
1. Norway
2. Australia
3. Netherlands
4. United States
5. New Zealand
45. Argentina

Argentina on top?
174 British_Kirchnerist (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 06:10 am Report abuse
#160 Brilliant comment =)
175 Don Alberto (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 06:15 am Report abuse
@ 174 British_Kirchnerist
”#160 Brilliant comment =)“

Surely you meant to write: ”complete rubbish” as I have just proven it totally wrong.
176 Troy Tempest (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 06:20 am Report abuse
@160 ziggy

Official government spin on events - pure propaganda

The people hate CFK and want decent government with no corruption.

This is a grassroots uprising with no specific leader.

Just one target: CFK
177 Guzz (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 08:38 am Report abuse
Denmark sent troops to fight an illegal war, government (with Anders Fogh Rasmussen in charge) lying to it's population about their reasons as to why invade a sovereign nation. They also let CIA flights land on Danish ground to transport civilians to different secret torturing camps, all against every international treaty they've signed themselves. Rasmussen went to become the general secretary of NATO...

Does this figure in your “corruption list”?

Matter of fact, the ones making your “corruption list” are the most corrupted in this planet, and your list isn't even appropiate for toilet paper...

The fact that USA comes 4th in your “human development” list is rather alarming. If you classify school massacres as positive development of humanity, they we might have a problem...

The conclusion is that your lists are made by yourselves and pretty much useless for anything but spreading misinformation.

Try again.
178 Yuleno (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 10:48 am Report abuse
Why do people continue to post lists of various things.Like the face in the mirror they are not the really thing.In fact they replace a story that cannot be sustained on its merit.
179 Guzz (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 11:27 am Report abuse
They make the lists, then they post them as proof... Pathetic.
180 toooldtodieyoung (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 11:47 am Report abuse
179 Guzz

Son, son, son.. You perceive the truth as a knife or a fork might the flavour of food.... You try to defend the indefenceable and not only show what a fool you are but what a bunch of liars, thieves you side with.
181 Guzz (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 12:00 pm Report abuse
“Son, son, son.. ”
Told you, keep your disgusting wet dreams away from me.
I really don't need to hear what you do with your family members!!
I mean it.
182 Captain Poppy (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 02:37 pm Report abuse
Asslip seems to get ill after each protest, so if nothing else maybe we can kill will weekly protests. She cancelled her business Spain because the doctor said she could not handle the stress of a 40 flight. What is she flying on....a bird....40 hours to Spain?
183 Guzz (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 02:42 pm Report abuse
Approximately yes, if she's not planning on staying in Spain...
184 Captain Poppy (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 02:46 pm Report abuse
She was to be there for 36 hours and the physicain a 40 hour round trip flight is not worth it for a 36 hour stay. Spain to the USA is about 7 hours, Boston to Buenos Aires is 12 hours. Give me a break. At any rate, I am pleased the protests continue to make the mentally more ill.
185 Dam edge conTroll (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 02:53 pm Report abuse
War under lie is worse than genocide.
186 Guzz (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 02:58 pm Report abuse
What? You need her boarding pass with exact time schedule on?
Don't think you'll find that...

Flight time from the Canary Islands to BA is shorter than from Rio Gallegos to Mallorca. Back and forth, between 30-40 hours, depending on your destination.

What is your point, except of desperately proove you haven't got one?
187 Captain Poppy (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 03:15 pm Report abuse
Twelve hours from Buenos Aires to Paris....I've done it. She is a bull shitter in the highest order. She is going into severe depression over losing control of Argentina.
Weekly protests are on the order.......more protests, she will never come out of her bed, her ultimate grave.

largas protestas en vivo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

25D is on order next!!!
188 Guzz (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 03:24 pm Report abuse
Who said she travelled from Bs As?
Flight time isn't the same as effective flight time either.

Bottom line is, what difference does it make if it takes 32, 36, 40 or 45 hours?
189 Foxtrot Indigo (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 04:22 pm Report abuse
@188 Guzz

Maybe she should fly from Chile if the flight time is too much for her from RG land? (Oh the poor little thing) It only takes 14 hours to fly from Santiago to Madrid on a direct flight! She could even go first class, very comfortable seats. I'm sure she has enough $ tucked under her bed to afford the flight.
190 Guzz (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 04:29 pm Report abuse
I'll take notes...
191 toooldtodieyoung (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 05:26 pm Report abuse
190 Guzzano

Have you decided if your Rg, Uruguyan, Swedish, or Danish yet? Are you a 50 year old ex ships engineer or still a 20 year old student living in northern europe?
192 Zhivago (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 06:58 pm Report abuse
Guzz seems very concerned about flight times and durations, great fears about where the plane might have to go down and more importantly, who they would have to eat first!
193 Captain Poppy (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 07:02 pm Report abuse
I average over 75,000 air miles a year, I know little something about flying. At any rate, the protests are killing the mad bitch and I could not be happier. Just wait until the next one. You should return to you homeland that you ran from, but I can't blame you for not. Smae reasom the hispanic population in the USA is growing.....fleeing south america
194 Joe Bloggs (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 07:05 pm Report abuse
177 Guzz / TTT / Tobias, etc, etc

and there you go about massacares in the US again. If you want to convince people you aren't a born again deadbeat you have to at least try to take on different characteristics.
195 Don Alberto (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 08:26 pm Report abuse
@ 177 Guzz

millions of Argentines are in agreement with the lists - should tell you they are reliable.

You are - as usual - in denial of the unpleasant real world.
196 Guzz (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 09:11 pm Report abuse
Joe bloggs/Elaine/Tool etc etc
If you want to convince people you aren't a deadbeat, you'll have to.... You'll have to... Uhm... You'll have to... Do something drastic...
197 toooldtodieyoung (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 09:27 pm Report abuse
196 Guzz

( Yawn ) Oh son, son, son...

Have you decided if you're Argentine, Uruguyan, Swedish, or Danish yet? Are you a 50 year old ex ships engineer or still a 20 year old student living in northern europe?

If YOU want to convince people you aren't a deadbeat, you'll have to.... You'll have to... Uhm... You'll have to... Do something drastic......
198 Guzz (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 09:53 pm
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199 briton (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 10:41 pm Report abuse
It will all come out in the wash,
Either N8 will bring her down,
Or she will survive until the next one..
200 Pirat-Hunter (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 10:50 pm Report abuse
Argentines around the world love and support CFK :-) 110%
QUE VIVA CRISTINA! The best president Argentina had in 40 years.
201 Conor J (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 11:03 pm Report abuse
Really are you sure?
1 million Argies turn up to bring call for her administrations destruction, and you say she is loved? Fool.
202 Dam edge conTroll (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 11:23 pm Report abuse
Brothers may quarrel but together they slain the foreigner.
203 briton (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 11:27 pm Report abuse
Which brothers and what foreigners ….
1, cain and able
2, argetines,, perhaps.
204 Dam edge conTroll (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 11:33 pm Report abuse
The brothers number in the 40 million souls, the foreigerns in the 6.7 billion fiends.
205 briton (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 11:39 pm Report abuse
Interesting conception,

In brothers you mean, no sisters,
And the parents especially the mother was exhausted after 40 million sons,

6.7 billion Foreigners, rather self pompys aint you.

Or do you really mean
Millions of argentines, but not all necessarily united,
And approx 6.5 billion over seas people, that may not all be foreigners,
As they say over a million of your brothers are over their.

Just a thought..
206 Dam edge conTroll (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 11:46 pm Report abuse
A foreign sister is beneath the step of a brother's ship rat. Home is home, and all that arises at home is sacred, and all that is alien is filthy. For that is the first law of man, and when disobeyed, never has man remained free.
207 briton (#) Nov 10th, 2012 - 11:53 pm Report abuse
Well my religious friend, you certainly live in the past, do you not,
Women are equal today,

And frankly where would man be , without women giving birth to them.

The only thing sacred today, is life its self, to which certain individuals care not, when they slaughter the innocent.

If alien is filthy, then this would have to include ones self, as others of your belief may not //will not // do not live in Argentina,
And thus may think yours is filthy.

Man will never be free, as long as we have greedy little corrupt brain dead indocronoughts, that have no love of care for his fellow man,,, and woman..

We are now approaching November 11th,
Have to go now, to respect my fellow comrades,
Back Monday. People,,,,,,,,,,//
208 Dam edge conTroll (#) Nov 11th, 2012 - 12:02 am Report abuse
Sisters are equal for as long as man deems it so, but foreign gamines are no such fountain of life, as they breed the fiends that bring minatory grief to us.

Alien is filthy, but alien is also irrelevant. Your filth is not mine, nor is it my concern, for foreigner you are, and as nothing you are counted.

Believe, believe! Believe you can escape the logic of the ways of Earth, but it is an illusion, a rat-race you can never conquer, a rat's den you can't ever escape.

A rat, a rat, rat.
209 Conor J (#) Nov 11th, 2012 - 12:18 am Report abuse
Here I've got a news flash for you, god is either a women or he doesn't exist. Take your pick.
210 Captain Poppy (#) Nov 11th, 2012 - 12:30 am Report abuse
If you are going to use English words use them right. a DEADBEAT is someone who does not pay their debts......also know as an argentine.....look in the thesaurus.
211 Dam edge conTroll (#) Nov 11th, 2012 - 01:08 am Report abuse
For God is pure, and that which came from impurity cannot be pure.

A rib is not pure.

Foreigners accost us, foreigners threaten us with their mere existence, for enemies are any who are from beyond.
212 Guzz (#) Nov 11th, 2012 - 01:24 am Report abuse
You had me under your spell until the part treating the impurity of ribs, but then again, I'm another foreigner...
213 Conor J (#) Nov 11th, 2012 - 01:50 am Report abuse
Thank God Im an Atheist.
214 Dam edge conTroll (#) Nov 11th, 2012 - 02:19 am Report abuse
For the sages tell, that the enemy of my fiend, is still a fiend.

And a foreigner is a fiend, thus even an angel fiend, tis my enemy.

Away with those from beyond, as even the most wretched of my brothers is better than the best of the outside.
215 Conor J (#) Nov 11th, 2012 - 02:51 am Report abuse
I think you have come to the wrong site to preach.
216 Dam edge conTroll (#) Nov 11th, 2012 - 02:57 am Report abuse
Let me be clear: foreingers suck.
217 Conor J (#) Nov 11th, 2012 - 03:22 am Report abuse
And why is that my pedigree chum?
218 Dam edge conTroll (#) Nov 11th, 2012 - 04:12 am Report abuse
I don't know, I just don't like them. Is that a crime?
219 Troy Tempest (#) Nov 11th, 2012 - 05:50 am Report abuse
Shows immaturity, low self esteem, unreasonable prejudice, racial intolerance, and bad character, but no, not against the law.
Just personal values.
220 Guzz (#) Nov 11th, 2012 - 07:14 am Report abuse
Plenty mature people don't like foreigners, as it has nothing to do with self esteem.
As little bad character as foreigners are a race. Unreasonable prejudice yes, 1/5 there Troy. At least you are being true to yourself, of all your drivel, 20% is true...
221 Troy Tempest (#) Nov 11th, 2012 - 07:24 am Report abuse
I forgot “asshole” , good for the other 80% I guess...
222 toooldtodieyoung (#) Nov 11th, 2012 - 10:15 am Report abuse
220 Deadbeat

So you and Friend “Dam edge conTroll” are racists as well!!!!!

Oh wonderful!! You would, before you dig yourselves any deeper, read again what “Troy Tempest” has posted at 219 and then take a good look at yourselves in the mirror..... but no, why would you? Maturity and class? those are things that other people have arn't they?
223 Guzz (#) Nov 11th, 2012 - 10:18 am Report abuse
What race have I ever insulted?

You are aiming at clouds, deadbeat...
224 Dam edge conTroll (#) Nov 11th, 2012 - 02:51 pm Report abuse
Xenophobia is not racism.

And the sages tell us: “undeserved dislike is irrational, irrational dislike is deserved.”

Foreigners irrationaly dislike us, my feelings were engendered by the behavior of the outsider, not by the nature of my character.

I trully loathe arrogance and hypocrisy, the two qualities most evident with foreigners I have met here.

The laws of nature must thus take their course.
225 Conor J (#) Nov 11th, 2012 - 03:10 pm Report abuse
And were are you from then, sir?
226 Dam edge conTroll (#) Nov 11th, 2012 - 03:27 pm Report abuse
I'm from the land that renders all others outsiders, and fiends.
227 Conor J (#) Nov 11th, 2012 - 03:33 pm Report abuse
Which is???????
228 Dam edge conTroll (#) Nov 11th, 2012 - 05:22 pm Report abuse
The demesne of the brothers, not the sisters, not the ribs nor the follied, neither of the northener nor the tramontane... only the only ones. Foreigners merely can hope to bemire, never to purify.
229 Troy Tempest (#) Nov 11th, 2012 - 05:32 pm Report abuse
@224 troll

You seem very determined to hate foreigners, an intractable position to justify anything

No point arguing with you.

My statement @219 still stands,
“Shows immaturity, low self esteem, unreasonable prejudice, racial intolerance, and bad character, but no, not against the law.
Just personal values.”

Who are “the Sages”??
Who, in your mind made them an authority??
How did they get an email account??

Back on topic:
Looks like CFK is in serious doo-doo with HER OWN PEOPLE, not foreigners !!
230 Dam edge conTroll (#) Nov 11th, 2012 - 05:37 pm Report abuse
Fiends are to be abominated, as they abominate you; and fiends are also tramontane, for tramontane is thyne and not mine. Thus logical syllogism applies, from fiend to tramontane to hate, enunciate the Sages.

But it is defensive hate, the righteous hate.
231 Troy Tempest (#) Nov 11th, 2012 - 05:55 pm Report abuse
You have not answered the questions.

Do you live in a secret land?

At least we know that a land and a people such as yourselves, hating all foreign lands, would not want the Falklands. They are as foreign from you as possible.

Again, enough of your off-topic gibberish.

CFK will soon be living amongst foreigners exclusively, but rest assured she will take lots of money from home, to comfort her. :-D

Troll, where do you live??
232 Dam edge conTroll (#) Nov 11th, 2012 - 06:05 pm Report abuse
Wind-swept isles are indeed fiends, though not tramontane, they are beyond the beaten weltering vessels of the edgeof our demesne. We should not want their frienship, nor their intrusion; to keep them off our mainland and within their enislement is best.

It is a secret land only to the foreign, only to those that seek our bane, our extirpation and to throttle our breath.
233 Conor J (#) Nov 11th, 2012 - 06:34 pm Report abuse
Mainland? So you're an Argie? Oh that explains the benign hatred?
234 Dam edge conTroll (#) Nov 11th, 2012 - 06:46 pm Report abuse
For the Mainland is but a part, the Land of Fire is not a mainland, and they are brothers as well.

Beyond them, keep away from the tramontane and the beyondseas.
235 Troy Tempest (#) Nov 11th, 2012 - 07:09 pm Report abuse
@224 troll

“And the sages tell us: “undeserved dislike is irrational, irrational dislike is deserved.” ”

Well, as long as your fears and hatred are irrational, I suppose that's fine then.


CFK seems rattled.
Will she attempt a violent clampdown on her own people on December 7th ?
Will she cut her losses and take the 'last Tango' to Caracas with her loot ??
236 Dam edge conTroll (#) Nov 11th, 2012 - 07:20 pm Report abuse
Yielding to foreign velleities yields our destruction.
237 Troy Tempest (#) Nov 11th, 2012 - 07:34 pm Report abuse
Will she yield to her own people, though?

After all, isn't she 'the servant of the people', entrusted with their well-being, and promising “good governance” for all of Argentina???
238 Dam edge conTroll (#) Nov 11th, 2012 - 07:36 pm Report abuse
For the sages tell, even the most wretched brother shall be safer company than the most angelic of foreigners.
239 toooldtodieyoung (#) Nov 11th, 2012 - 07:54 pm Report abuse
235 Troy Tempest

You ok with this? It seems to me that you are trying to have a conversation with a person who as a book of fortune cookie add ins....

If this keeps up I think that “Dam edge conTroll” will dissappear back into it's own book of Chinese quotations..........
240 Dam edge conTroll (#) Nov 11th, 2012 - 07:59 pm Report abuse
For the silencing of the dissenter is the refuge of the troglodyte and the bankrupt.
241 toooldtodieyoung (#) Nov 11th, 2012 - 08:07 pm Report abuse
240 Dam edge conTroll

But would you not say a gem is not polished without rubbing, nor a man perfected without trials?
242 Dam edge conTroll (#) Nov 11th, 2012 - 08:14 pm Report abuse
If a gem is one upon a million ordinary stone, it is for its quintessence and no further intervention is necessitated. And if a man is not righteous from his very conception, then no trials and no tribulations can alter his form, but only compound it. If he is righteous, trials will make him even more judicious and sage; if he is not, then trials will only serve to further contort his wretched soul.
243 toooldtodieyoung (#) Nov 11th, 2012 - 08:17 pm Report abuse
aaaahhhhh, how true oh wise one. But is it not said that:-

He who strikes the first blow admits he's lost the argument.
244 Dam edge conTroll (#) Nov 11th, 2012 - 08:27 pm Report abuse
He who strikes first gives himself an extra blow.
245 toooldtodieyoung (#) Nov 11th, 2012 - 08:38 pm Report abuse
244 Dam edge conTroll

Again you speak with the wise words of our ancestors, master.

Tell me, is it not true that they say:-

When you have only two pennies left in the world, buy a loaf of bread with one, and a lily with the other.
246 Dam edge conTroll (#) Nov 11th, 2012 - 08:45 pm Report abuse
Your ancestors are not my ancestors. Your ancestors are mere mortals, devised from ribs.

My ancestor is the honorable Elio_0j0s_Amarillos, primogeniture of the wiseman Giorgio O Tsoukalos... he in turn is the result of amphigony by the master Arifu Gobakuwi. And Arifu himself is the blessed numinous Sage descended DIRECTLY from the ultimate force of the digital world, the now legendary, exalted, Sire Truth Telling Troll... both hero and worst nightmare of the fiends, the tramontanes, and the foreign.

As you can see, my lineage showcases a panoply of wisdom and probity.
247 toooldtodieyoung (#) Nov 11th, 2012 - 08:51 pm Report abuse
246 Dam edge conTroll

Again, I bow to your wisdom, ages old and still as sharp as a rapiers blade... But, please master, please do tell me, for is it not said that:-

If a man goes to bed with an itchy bottom, will he not wake in the morning with a smelly finger?
248 Guzz (#) Nov 11th, 2012 - 09:03 pm Report abuse
Try soap...
249 Dam edge conTroll (#) Nov 11th, 2012 - 09:28 pm Report abuse

For that's why theq trully civilized nations of the Orb have bidets, and all other nations must wake up in the morning.
250 Conor J (#) Nov 11th, 2012 - 09:47 pm Report abuse
Yawn.....Are you going to tell us what specific country you hail from or not? Because if your are trying to create a hollywood sense of fear, respect and coolness around your self, it isn't working.
251 Dam edge conTroll (#) Nov 11th, 2012 - 09:59 pm Report abuse
Only two nations on this orb have civilization, bidets. All others must wake up early in the morning to relieve their inscrutable scratch.
252 Conor J (#) Nov 11th, 2012 - 10:06 pm Report abuse
You must be an you have no ability to back up your ideology, once challenged.
253 toooldtodieyoung (#) Nov 11th, 2012 - 10:07 pm Report abuse
250 Conor J

a clue to “Dam edge conTroll” identity, I think, lies in his post at 246...... unless you already know the “who” and want to know the “Where”
254 Dam edge conTroll (#) Nov 11th, 2012 - 10:07 pm Report abuse
Do you have a bidet?
255 Conor J (#) Nov 11th, 2012 - 10:14 pm Report abuse
Sorry must of missed that one!

My god TTT what has happened to you? And why are you asking about Bidets?
256 Dam edge conTroll (#) Nov 11th, 2012 - 10:16 pm Report abuse
Do you have a bidet, yes or no.
257 Conor J (#) Nov 11th, 2012 - 10:21 pm Report abuse
Yeah I do. but I never use it. I've always been clean and serene. :)
258 Dam edge conTroll (#) Nov 11th, 2012 - 10:25 pm Report abuse
For my highest suspitions abound, of your claim, as bidets are not an instrument of abundance in the Anglo orb.
259 Conor J (#) Nov 11th, 2012 - 10:39 pm Report abuse
And I care why?

Heres one for you; And as one Argie said to another:
1st Argie: “You know I really hate this dictatorship, they have murdered 30,000 of our fellow countrymen.”
2nd Argie: “Did you here? Galtieri has invaded the islands!”
1st Argie: Woooh Junta!!!, Malvinas Argentine!“
2nd Argie: What about the murders and suppression of freedom?”
1st Argie: Who cares!? The Malvinas are all that matter!!!
260 Think (#) Nov 11th, 2012 - 11:51 pm Report abuse
(259) Conor J

Heres one for you; And as one Brit said to another:
1st Brit: “You know I really hate our Governments, they have murdered a million of our fellow men, women and children in Irak and Afghanistan.”
2nd Brit: “Did you hear? BP got an oil contract of 20 sixtillion £ Sterling!”
1st Brit: Woooh Tories, Labour!!!, they Rule the Waves!“
2nd Brit: What about the million murders?”
1st Brit: Who cares!? The money is all that matters!!!
261 Guzz (#) Nov 11th, 2012 - 11:57 pm
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262 Conor J (#) Nov 12th, 2012 - 12:24 am Report abuse
BP? The UK government could solve world peace and make the UK the richest country on earth tomorrow and they would still be despised, you see we in the UK aren't blinded by the words of politicians, the Iraq war began and the vast bulk of the British public came out against Tony and Co, as opposed to the Falklands were hundreds of thousands of Argies came to BA cheering on a dictatorship that was murdering them. Money? As I just said the British public were against the war and were outraged by the oil revelations, were as I just said in regards to Argie land were you all came out cheering.

Did we really kill 10 million Muslims? Oh thats right............we didn't. Fool.
263 Nostrolldamus (#) Nov 12th, 2012 - 02:14 am Report abuse
The deadly furnaces of fight, once professed as defenders of rights,

a score and a year ago were sent on a mission of ruthless might,

for the objective was verily the black honey that fuels their lights,

and for this they slain the innocent with no account for plight.
264 Ayayay (#) Nov 12th, 2012 - 07:00 am Report abuse
It would be great if she joined the U.S., Austria and Germany in making Swiss bank accounts held by their nationals transparent.
265 Captain Poppy (#) Nov 12th, 2012 - 09:38 pm Report abuse
titti boi is not nostro-no-one
266 Ayayay (#) Nov 12th, 2012 - 10:14 pm Report abuse
The Re Re song!!
267 Troy Tempest (#) Nov 12th, 2012 - 10:46 pm Report abuse
The “GUZZ ” IP seemed to have been banished.

His alter-ego, “the swede” seems to have been knocked out, too.

I hope so...
268 Captain Poppy (#) Nov 13th, 2012 - 01:30 am Report abuse
What do you mean Troy?
269 Troy Tempest (#) Nov 13th, 2012 - 02:11 am Report abuse
A UK poster mentioned that Guzz was banned.

He is certainly absent - could be “off-shift” or gone...

One one thread, Think was on a roll, on attack, when “theSwede” appeared and had a conversational exchange with him through a couple of posts. Guzz had been absent for awhile, but “Swede” was very familiar with Think and used a similar style to Guzz.

I identified the “Swede” as “Guzz” on my post reply.

The next time I logged in, the entire post of “the swede” was deleted.

Perhaps Guzz's IP had been flagged. Guzz had been challenging the credibility and integrity of the editors of MP.

Gosh !! I sound like a Troll Conspiracy Theorist, LOL LOL
270 Captain Poppy (#) Nov 14th, 2012 - 04:28 pm Report abuse
If he's gone....great. However I hate to think that MP editors cannot handle cristicism, or they handle it by censuring commentors. Of course I thought when they stopped taking comments kirchner's got to them.
271 British_Kirchnerist (#) Nov 14th, 2012 - 10:51 pm Report abuse
What a weird thread this has “knockout” here =)

#260 Good point, though thank God we're not all like that =)
272 agent999 (#) Nov 15th, 2012 - 04:30 pm Report abuse

a few links for you

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