Tuesday, November 20th 2012 - 19:05 UTC

Falklands claims UN Decolonization chair is not acting with impartiality

The Falkland Islands government complained on Tuesday that the Chairman of the UN Decolonization Committee, Ambassador Diego Morejón Pazmiño is not acting with the impartiality that his role demands and revealed a letter, which remains unanswered, inviting the ambassador to visit the Falklands matching his informative trip to Argentina on the sovereignty of the Islands dispute.

Cristina Fernandez, first time a president sits at the C24 meeting in New York

The Falklands’ release refers to an interview published by the Argentine newspaper Tiempo Argentino where Mr Morejón Pazmiño, last 8 October, is quoted making statements “that, if reported accurately, would conflict with his role as an impartial C24 Chairman” and with a later interview in the same media (November 10) with the UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon, who stated people should be able to plan and govern their own future, which “is the main criteria of relevant UN bodies”.

The Falklands government letter dated 18 October to Ambassador Morejón Pazmiño points out that it is clear from the Tiempo Argentino interview and other speeches in the past, “that you have already decided that the Falkland Islands should be ceded to Argentina against the clear wishes of its people. This is in direct conflict with the United Nations principle of self determination”.

Further on the letter underlines that the Chair of C24 has visited Argentina “so as to better inform yourself in this matter and yet you have failed to do what any impartial Chair would then do, namely to visit the Falkland Islands, speak to Elected Members and talk to our people”.

The letter also mentions the fact that Ambassador Morejón Pazmiño admits to have been chosen to the C24 Chair “as candidates in the Caribbean were thought to be biased” on the issue of the sovereignty dispute.

After recalling that the Falklands are a self-governing Overseas Territory of the UK, (“on our own choosing”), the letter says that “we are a thriving democracy with a modern Constitution. We elect our own Government in a democratic manner, make our own laws and run our own affairs. We neither receive funds from nor send monies to the United Kingdom”.

The letter also rebukes statements of alleged ‘militarization’, reminding the C24 chair that the only reason there are military forces in the Falklands is “as a result of our country being invaded by Argentina in 1982”.

Finally the elected Members of the Falkland Island Government “yet again extend an invitation to you and other members of the C 24 to visit the Falkland Islands before the next meeting of the Committee so as to better inform yourselves of the real situation here”.

It must also be said that the Falklands government states that “the Decolonisation Committee is seen by most people as an outdated, ineffective and partial Committee and your actions as Chair have brought its reputation even further into disrepute”.

Follows the complete text of the letter addressed to the C24 Chair:

“Dear Ambassador,

I write to you on behalf of the Members of the Falkland Island Legislative Assembly. We were concerned to read your comments on the Falkland Islands as reported recently in Tiempo Argentino.

In the article you rightly say that the Falkland Islands are no longer a colony. The modern Falkland Islands are a self-governing overseas territory of the United Kingdom; a situation of our own choosing.

We are a thriving democracy with a modern Constitution. We elect our own Government in a democratic manner, make our own laws and run our own affairs. We neither receive funds from nor send monies to the United Kingdom.

As the Chair of a United Nations Committee you are bound to uphold the values of that institution and to act in a democratic and impartial manner. You state that you were chosen to Chair this committee as candidates in the Caribbean were thought to be biased.
However, it is clear from this report, and from other speeches in the past, that you have already decided that the Falkland Islands should be ceded to Argentina against the clear wishes of its people. This is in direct conflict with the United Nations principle of self determination.

You have visited Argentina so as to better inform yourself in this matter and yet you have failed to do what any impartial Chair would then do, namely to visit the Falkland Islands, speak to Elected Members and talk to our people.

You also claim that the United Kingdom has failed to respond to Argentina’s claims of militarisation of the Falkland Islands.

I would first remind you that the only reason there are military forces here is as a result of our country being invaded by Argentina in 1982. On the specific point, I would refer you to the written reply of 22nd February 2012 from the United Kingdom Government to the Government of Argentina.

The Decolonisation Committee is seen by most people as an outdated, ineffective and partial Committee and your actions as Chair have brought its reputation even further into disrepute. The elected Members of the Falkland Island Government yet again extend an invitation to you and other members of the committee to visit the Falkland Islands before the next meeting of the Committee so as to better inform yourselves of the real situation here.

Yours sincerely,

The Honourable Dr Barry Elsby MLA,
On behalf of Members of the Falkland Islands Legislative Assembly”

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1 Brit Bob (#) Nov 20th, 2012 - 07:40 pm Report abuse
With pillars of democracy like Argentina, Venezuela, Cuba, Russia, China, Syria and Iran on the C24 what does the UN expect.
2 scarfo (#) Nov 20th, 2012 - 07:48 pm Report abuse
It must also be said that the Falklands government states that “the Decolonisation Committee is seen by most people as an outdated, ineffective and partial Committee and your actions as Chair have brought its reputation even further into disrepute”.

this pretty much hits the nail on the head!
3 Brit Bob (#) Nov 20th, 2012 - 07:59 pm Report abuse
Interesting UN judgement on the islands that ownership was disputed between Venezuela and Columbia. It seems that they belonged to Columbia as Venezuela had signed them away in a treaty some years ago in the 20th Century. Venezuela claimed that the treaty was signed under duress from the US.

Sounds rather like Argentina signing the 'Convention of Settlement' in 1850 and then not making any protests about British Sovereignty until 1941 (after 50 years such disputes on sovereignty are considered defunct if there is a gap of 50 years or more between protests).

Still, what would Argentina do without the 'Great Malvinas Lie?'
4 Pugol-H (#) Nov 20th, 2012 - 08:22 pm Report abuse
Goooood shot, that is going to hurt some people, but they need it.

Also it will have the effect of dragging the whole issue into the 21st century.

The increasing disparity between Ban-Ki Moon’s statements (for some time now), and the position of the C24, could not continue unchallenged for long.

Probably see a spate of these now from other territories disillusioned with the C24 and its lack of any modern thinking.

End of C24 in sight I think, and with it any remaining influence of the “Argentina supporters club” on the committee have, on the matter.

@ 3 Brit Bob
The best bit of the judgment was:

214. The Court does not believe that any weight should be given to Nicaragua’s contention that the Colombian islands are located on “Nicaragua’s continental shelf”. It has repeatedly made clear that geological and geomorphological considerations are not relevant to the delimitation of overlapping entitlements within 200 nautical miles of the coasts of States (see, e.g., Continental Shelf (Libyan Arab Jamahirya/Malta), Judgment, I.C.J. Reports 1985, p. 35, paras. 39-40).
5 Anbar (#) Nov 20th, 2012 - 08:28 pm Report abuse
About time the C24 was challenged... it is very clearly biased and very clearly NOT doing its job: which is so support the Islanders, not make its own decisions on what it thinks is right & proper whilst ignoring the islanders entirely.

kick them up the arse and off the committee.. it has no power or relevance anyway, but is simply now a partisan group of cronies pandering to regional politics of personal preference.
6 Trunce (#) Nov 20th, 2012 - 08:30 pm Report abuse
It becomes more ridiculous. Impartial Ambassador Morejón Pazmiño would have sent newly appointed representative Assange to visit the Falklands, but he was unavoidably detained.
7 LEPRecon (#) Nov 20th, 2012 - 08:34 pm Report abuse
That's right Dr Elsby, hit them with the truth and show them up for not doing the job they're supposed to do.

It's about time the UNGA dissolved the C24, and get all the territories on the list to have a vote on their status.

Then remove them all from the list. No more list, no more problems, no more corrupt committee on the gravy train.
8 Troy Tempest (#) Nov 20th, 2012 - 08:41 pm Report abuse
Good that this can be discussed without shrieking troll posts.
9 Islas Malvinas (#) Nov 20th, 2012 - 08:42 pm Report abuse
@9 Hi There!
10 Anbar (#) Nov 20th, 2012 - 08:55 pm Report abuse
anybody got a contact email for the C24?
11 WestisBest (#) Nov 20th, 2012 - 09:07 pm Report abuse

Talking to yourself eh Islas, stupid prick.
12 Anbar (#) Nov 20th, 2012 - 09:31 pm Report abuse
Another Guzz pretender...
13 Kameron de gallina (#) Nov 20th, 2012 - 09:33 pm
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14 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Nov 20th, 2012 - 09:34 pm Report abuse
Typical British. When the UN rules a resolution against Argentina, the UN is fair and wise. When the UN hints at not being 100% in their tank, then they are unfair and partial.

That in essence resumes the anglo-saxon mentality. Only when people and cultures agree with them 100% (or suck up to them 100%), are they fair, good, and wise. Deviate one centimeter from that, and you are a fool, evil, and worthless.

Sounds reasonable, huh?
15 scarfo (#) Nov 20th, 2012 - 09:39 pm Report abuse

did you read the letter?
16 Pirat-Hunter (#) Nov 20th, 2012 - 09:39 pm Report abuse
17 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Nov 20th, 2012 - 09:41 pm Report abuse
No, because I give a Slark about the Falkands issue. Those islands are British by rule, and by ethnicity of the people there. That is all the evidence I need to leave them alone.
18 M's Bulldog (#) Nov 20th, 2012 - 09:41 pm Report abuse
Of course you like the Junta.... you all did in April 82' remember?
You were all cheering in the streets of BA....jumping and cheering and laughing. Your memories seemed to have forgotten all the murdering they did to your fellow folk.
Thankfully good overcame evil and we kicked your arses back home.

Looks like the Falklands, Maldivas to you, will never, EVER be yours.

hahahahahahaha HA!
19 scarfo (#) Nov 20th, 2012 - 09:47 pm Report abuse
Falklands claims UN Decolonization chair is not acting with impartiality

the Chair of C24 has visited Argentina “so as to better inform yourself in this matter and yet you have failed to do what any impartial Chair would then do, namely to visit the Falkland Islands,

you seem confused!
20 Anbar (#) Nov 20th, 2012 - 09:49 pm Report abuse
“”Sounds reasonable, huh?“”

Yup, that's pretty much the way the world works.
21 ProRG_American (#) Nov 20th, 2012 - 09:51 pm Report abuse
Counsellors complaining just for the hell of it, as usual.
22 slattzzz (#) Nov 20th, 2012 - 09:51 pm Report abuse
Crikey lot of new names on here tonight I don't know who to argue with, so I'll stick with Guzz, Proarg and PH your all brainwashed numpties who don't even live in Rgenweener.......there thats better.
23 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Nov 20th, 2012 - 09:55 pm Report abuse

Well not in Argentina I'm afraid. We take on the entire planet in foreign relations and trade if need be, and we have demonstrated we have the balls to do so.

If that makes you upset, go cry to the altar of the Church of Tobianism.
24 scarfo (#) Nov 20th, 2012 - 09:57 pm Report abuse

complaining just for the hell of it, as usual

25 slattzzz (#) Nov 20th, 2012 - 10:00 pm Report abuse
@22 complaining again from your condo in the US, whilst sponging of our American cousins, and doing the square root of fook all about your own country, you really are a classic Sussie
26 scarfo (#) Nov 20th, 2012 - 10:05 pm Report abuse

We take on the entire planet in foreign relations and trade if need be

Dont confuse taking on the rest of the planet with royally fucking up almost everything youre goverment touches, they are two very diffrent things.
27 Max (#) Nov 20th, 2012 - 10:09 pm Report abuse
Dr.Barry Elsby MLA

Falkland Islands have agreed with Britain on a new constitution to take affect by January 1, 2009 replacing a charter adopted in 1985.
The new document approved by Queen Elizabeth II ,formalizes the system of self government on the South Atlantic Archipelago while giving Britain the final say on foreign policy,policing and the administration of justice according to a joint statement.
The statement also saying that the new constitution determines that the relationship between the Executive Council and the Islands' governor who is appointed by the British government in London.
It makes clear council members are responsible for most domestic policies,but the Governor retains “ VETO ” power that can be exercised in the interest of good governance .
Britain still retains responsibility for ” external affairs, defense , internal security and the administration of justice.

Yours sincerely.
28 slattzzz (#) Nov 20th, 2012 - 10:10 pm Report abuse
@24 you have no balls, you can't even stick to the same name, still what ever floats your boat................................oh thats right you don't have any left. Anyway how are all our trolls who haven't been in rgenweener for decades
29 Idlehands (#) Nov 20th, 2012 - 10:14 pm Report abuse
Tell him he's brought a UN committee into disrepute and then invite him round for tea. I like your style.
30 slattzzz (#) Nov 20th, 2012 - 10:21 pm Report abuse
basically another kick in the balls for rgenweener, not having a good few weeks are they?
31 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Nov 20th, 2012 - 10:25 pm Report abuse

Wrong you Brit, Argentines make more money and are on average more educated than the average of EVERY COUNTRY IN THE AMERICAS!

Argentines go to the USA, they excel. They go to Mexico, they excel (causing great jealousy amongst Mexicans, because even butt ugly argie chicks can get a modelling job there). Argentines go to Central America, they excel in the media and entertainment. Go to Colombia? Same. Go to Chile? More educated than 90% of chilean median education level. In Peru, they are the highest earners.

“The profile of the Argentine American population is generally similar to the overall U.S. population's. Among the key differences, however, is educational attainment. Argentine Americans exhibit a rate of 39.5% of holders of bachelor's, graduate, or professional degrees, contrasted with the 27.5% of the overall U.S. population. Argentine Americans had a median household income of $55,044. Again, this is higher than the national figure, which was $50, 740”


”The Argentines continued to arrive, with the next wave after the economic crisis of 2001 (ArgenMex), with the Argentine population in Mexico doubling from 2001 to 2007.[24] Most of these immigrants are educated and from the country's professional classes. They are often found working in commercial centers, in publicity and many Mexican models are in fact of Argentine background.“


”En un duro proceso de adaptación, algunos de sus miembros destacaron en el ámbito empresarial, turismo, industrial y comercial”


A diferencia de lo que ocurre con los otros inmigrantes de origen americano, se desempeñan en empleos mejor remunerados que los demás inmigrantes latinoamericanos y de similar ingreso al de los chilenos.


We rise to the TOP, EVERYWHERE.
32 slattzzz (#) Nov 20th, 2012 - 10:35 pm Report abuse
@32 well if your all that bright go home and sort the clusterfuck that is going on at the moment and share your wealth and knowledge and EXCEL. I'm not surprised they keep arriving they are running away you nozzer. However I bet you that Mexicans, Colombians, Chileans, Peru etc will disagree with you, smells of rg propoganda to me and very disrespectful towards your SA cousins, still whats new eh?
33 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Nov 20th, 2012 - 10:37 pm Report abuse

The bright people are HOME. When those people leave Argentina, they raise the IQ levels of both Argentina and the destination nation.

Those immigrants were the dummies that weren't smart enough or pretty enough to make it home, but everywhere else in the world they are supermodels or rocket scientists.
34 txiki (#) Nov 20th, 2012 - 10:45 pm Report abuse
I have just been reading the article in question - and it's astounding...


He states:
1. He believes that the falklands issue shouldn't be in the decolonisation commitee because “it's argentine territory occupied by a foreign power”
2. He believed every word of Timmerman's “brave” presentation at the decolonisation committee as it had photos and documents to support it.
3. He spouts the usual Argentine propaganda about the islands being part of the inhertitance from the Spanish empire (also colonies).
4. As long as he is chairman of this committee, there will be no visit to the islands by any of the committee as it would be the recognition of a colony and their right to have autodetermination
5. It calls the british territory an invasion of Argentine territory.

Looks like a bit of a stitch up - which is why nobody really pays much attention to them.

35 slattzzz (#) Nov 20th, 2012 - 10:46 pm Report abuse
@33 dream on sussie if they were rocket scientists why aren't they at home building our favourite trolls (Malvi) built in rgenweener nuclear weapons, no they are somewhere else building someone elses (if they exist of course) can you name any? Supermodels? Britain, Europe and the US have loads of them. ps ref your last comment @32, shit always floats to the top thats why you skim it off :)
36 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Nov 20th, 2012 - 10:51 pm Report abuse
Britain, Europe, and US supermodels are so ugly they are the best hope for turning me gay.

Your economies are in the toilet, your middle classes are evaporating, your deficits are at record levels, your social tensions and racism and separatism both in Europe and the USA are at fever pitch.

You are utter failures as societies, just because you come here thinking that comparing yourself to Argentina will make you feel better (and still you are wrong), doesn't change the tragic and ignominious facts about the current state of the nations of the north.
37 slattzzz (#) Nov 20th, 2012 - 10:54 pm Report abuse
@36 whatever nostril dammit the turd as I say keep dreaming gay boy / girl
38 Anbar (#) Nov 20th, 2012 - 10:56 pm Report abuse
So.. nobody has an email for the C24 then....?
39 slattzzz (#) Nov 20th, 2012 - 10:58 pm Report abuse
united nations website / contact us. Will take a while if they ever get round to it
40 HansNiesund (#) Nov 20th, 2012 - 11:01 pm Report abuse

I imagine after the Ban Ki-Moon calamity, they had to do something sharpish to get somebody on message into the paper. But you'd think that an ambassador with supposedly 30 years diplomatic experience would know better than to keep referring to the English all the time.


Hey Tobias, so you've changed your view about Argentine girls since you last told us you disapproved of them. Does this mean you're dating now? Do tell ....
41 scarfo (#) Nov 20th, 2012 - 11:02 pm Report abuse
how come youre so shite at fixing boats then :0 lol
42 slattzzz (#) Nov 20th, 2012 - 11:05 pm Report abuse
@38 www.un.org/en/contactus/ that should do it matey
43 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Nov 20th, 2012 - 11:07 pm Report abuse

Not at all. They are still not up to par when it comes to personality traits. That's life, pretty girls are sh!t inside, ugly girls are foreigners.
44 shb (#) Nov 20th, 2012 - 11:11 pm Report abuse
Ha ha ha................what a waste of electrons that post was.

Take a good look at your own economy - it's past the toilet stage- it's in the sewage farm, gradually breaking down into somenthing foul smelling and toxic to anyone from any other country who tries to put anything into it - like a loan.............................

If you want ugly - take a look at CFK - I persoanlly find her quite an ugly person - not just in terms of looks - but in attitude as well.

Mirroring your own comments - we know we have major problems up here in the North- but seriously, you must be on crack if you want to try to take the piss out of us.

We don't have warships being basically besieged in Ghana as collatoral for failure to pay debts............or a clamp on moving our money into dollars......or inflation at 30%........or general strikes................shall I go on.......

So your country is a failure as well, you were one of richest in the world in the early 20th century -now you are'nt.................
45 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Nov 20th, 2012 - 11:15 pm Report abuse

Really? Mendoza just announced that on its OWN it will build yet another new expressway (we already have by far the most of any city in Argentina), the Mendoza-San Juan motorway.

And construction on two more lines of metro are about to begin, again with our OWN funds. And we are the only city in the interior of Argentina with mass transit on rails.


Doing well in the west, thank you.
46 Lord Ton (#) Nov 20th, 2012 - 11:18 pm Report abuse
#31 - Scum always rises to the top !
47 Conor J (#) Nov 20th, 2012 - 11:21 pm Report abuse
He's got a point though Troll, Argentina was once one of the richest countries in the world. And now it mostly gets by in life, humping everyones leg other the Falklands. CFK seems to spend most of her time bitching about our islands, rather then serving Argentina.
48 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Nov 20th, 2012 - 11:28 pm Report abuse

Not at all, repeating that all the time proves MY point. That the world hates Argentina for whatever reasons.

We are the only country in the world whose “achievements” are held against us. But you were the richest and now...

Yet to the Italians people say “wow, Rome is a great accomplishement”.

To the Brits “wow, the Empire was a great accomplishement”

To the Americans “wow, having space vehicles was a great accomplishment”.

You don't here people say “Italians you suck for having been Rome, with the roads, plumbing, the legions, and wealth, and now look at you”, or “You Brits suck you have no empire now you are failures”, or to the Americans “hahaha you are losers you went to the Moon and now you can't put a monkey in orbit”.

Same examples I could use with France, Spain, Portugal, Soviet Union, Germany, etc...

That behavior only proves we Argentines are right and the world seeks to harm us and screw us at every turn.
49 Conor J (#) Nov 20th, 2012 - 11:40 pm Report abuse
Actually you are wrong, Italy is often laughed at for being in such a state compared to the past. For us in the UK it is a source of national embarrassment for having built the greatest and most powerful empire in history and also to have been the most influential country in history and then to lose it all in a cloud of smoke and shame with the world laughing at our crumbled prospects. And for the Americans, I have seen eastern commentators laugh and slander them as the decline and loss of the space program represents the US's falling status in the world.

“That behavior only proves we Argentines are right and the world seeks to harm us and screw us at every turn.” Again you are paranoid, why would you have this attitude? Why isn't the world out to get Chile? Your next door neighbour and culturally similar friend?

Ask yourself why we Brits generally have animosity towards Argentina. Your claim on our islands and people is the trying force for this animosity. If these claims never existed, then Argentina would hardly come up on the radar of most Brits like Conqueror for example.
50 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Nov 20th, 2012 - 11:44 pm Report abuse

That's because you Europeans are retarded. Simple as that.

“All good things must come to an end”. Nothing is eternal and dateless. Rome had to fall, the Empire had to crumble, the USA #1 has to end (and will soon). That is not a failure, that is LIFE.

Argentina was one of the richest places for 50-60 years from the 1880s to the 1950s? Ok. Cool, at least we did that. Can't last forever, but is better than 90% of the nations of the world that won't ever reach that.
51 Pete Bog (#) Nov 20th, 2012 - 11:53 pm Report abuse
I have slagged off the MLA's complacency in the past so well done Dr Elsby for exposing the BIASED, IMPARTIAL C-24 for the scam it is.
C-24 chairman's comments do not sit beside Ban-Ki-Moon's.
My opinion is that the MLA's should write to Ban-Ki Moon, challenging the UNs impartiality,(as represented by the C-24), informing him that the C24 is now a laughing stock as it goes against the regulations of the organisation it pretends to represent.

The Argentines scoff at the 2013 referendum in the Islands next year, like a murderer looking at the rope that is about to hang him automatically assuming the rope is rotten, without testing it.

If the MLA's pull their finger out and challenge the Argentines on the false history that originated resolution 2065, the Argentines are going to get hit for six.
Keep going Dr Elsby.
52 Conor J (#) Nov 21st, 2012 - 12:04 am Report abuse
Most Europeans are retarded? Well as you are of European decent you're sought of shooting yourself in the foot, aren't you? Only a retard calls someone else a retard because they cant counter an argument they put forward. You are paranoid and your thought that everyone is out to get Argentina are quite funny. No one is mocking you for your failure but they are mocking Argentina for what it is currently doing; claiming someone else's property with no evidence or basis of fact.
53 so_far (#) Nov 21st, 2012 - 12:04 am Report abuse
What anybody should think when read this letter ? Lets analyze step by step his veracity and what it say:

1) “..In the article you rightly say that the Falkland Islands are no longer a colony..”
What C-24 Chairman in fact say ? “”They said formally non -self gov territories', but to me they are colonies“..... ”And for me it's a shame that in this century still speak of colonization...”


*****so, a matter of fact, the letter says LIES

2) “..The modern Falkland Islands are a self-governing ...”

UN official and main body say that Malvinas is an Non-Self-Governing Territorie that MUST enter in the des coloization process in mandatory way.


*****so, a matter of fact, the letter says LIES

3) ”We are a thriving democracy with a modern Constitution
The head of state is the Queen, nobody vote of her , so Malvinas follow a old fashioned monarchy system.

*****so, a matter of fact, the letter says LIES

4) “. We elect our own Government in a democratic manner, make our own laws and run our own affairs”

What the official site of Falkland Island Gov say about ?

“The Falkland Islands are a United Kingdom Overseas Territory by choice. Supreme authority is vested in Her Majesty The Queen and exercised by a Governor on her behalf..” “The role of the Governor.... is the representative of HM the Queen in the Islands, and represents the UK Government..”


*****so, a matter of fact, the letter says LIES


The letter is signed by Mr Elsby, an englhisman born who came to the islands in the 90s for make easy money...still does, and is logical his concern (as others) for keep the status quo even lying like this.

You people need to understand why UN will ignore you FOREVER.
This a sovergein issue between 2 nations AR-UK

Thats all, period
54 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Nov 21st, 2012 - 12:10 am Report abuse

Me European? I'm human. sorry.

How is being one of the richest countries a failure? Can you explain that please? Otherwise, the retard label is fully appropriate.

What part of LIFE don't you get. Everything is born, grows, matures, and dies.

So if a 100 year old woman dies, she is a failure for having allowed death to beat her? It's the same for countries and cultures.

Give me one example of a country that has been #1 for all of recorded history.
55 Troy Tempest (#) Nov 21st, 2012 - 12:25 am Report abuse

“ Argentine Americans had a median household income of $55,044. Again, this is higher than the national figure, which was $50, 740”

TTT is playing games with statistics again.
He is comparing a privileged and educated section of Argentine society with a broad cross-section of US population.

In other words, the 'Argentine Americans' in the US are those that

- can afford to travel to the US
- probably have Professional 'connections' or well-established sponsors in the US
- already have an education or skill
- meet the US requirements for immigration
- have the money to travel to the US
- have money for an advanced education and to live

These would not be 'average' Argentinians that are compared to average US Americans, which includes high school dropouts, single-parents, the unemployed, etc etc.

Compared to Argentina, USA is still ”the Land of Opportunity“ or as some put it,”a classless society“ - there are many who have made legitimate personal or business fortunes through hard work, without post secondary educations.

Would the ”class-system” of Argentina be so enabling???
56 Islander1 (#) Nov 21st, 2012 - 12:26 am Report abuse
53 S0-far - then please tell us WHY does Argentina make such a fuss about raising the issues at the Un any chance it gets?
Please tell me WHAT is militaristic about all the unmanned domectic mobile phone masts on hill tops that your Foreign Minister claimed at the UN were miltary command centres?
57 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Nov 21st, 2012 - 12:29 am Report abuse

And with that, you are totally disqualified to make any commentary on Argentina, and to be accorded any further reply.

Anyone who states Argentina is a “class-caste” society like Mexico, Peru, Colombia, even Chile, and the rest of the Spanish colonies has no cluster-fuck idea where they are stading or who they are, much less about some other country.
58 WestisBest (#) Nov 21st, 2012 - 12:34 am Report abuse

“How is being one of the richest countries a failure? Can you explain that please? Otherwise, the retard label is fully appropriate.”

It's failure because there's no reason, at all, for that to have changed for the worse, Argentina was once rich because of it's fantastic resources, Argentina had it all and should be a superpower today but you pissed it all away. That's failure pal.
59 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Nov 21st, 2012 - 12:42 am Report abuse

How can you be a superpower when:


Seriously? How can you demand Argentina become a SUPERPOWER with 5 million people? What to stand up to countries with 70 million, 100 million, 300 million people????

Even Italy, France, etc had over 30 million people, multiple times more than us.

How the slark can you expect Argentina to fight World Wars, and be a global force with that??? Just because it was 4th or 5th in per capita doesn't mean it had the population and industrial base to build a military machine with that prosperity.

Otherwise, the world's superpower today would be Norway or Hong Kong.
60 Troy Tempest (#) Nov 21st, 2012 - 01:32 am Report abuse
@57 Nostrildoofus

“Anyone who states Argentina is a “class-caste” society like Mexico, Peru, Colombia, even Chile, and the rest of the Spanish colonies has no cluster-fuck idea where they are stading or who they are, much less about some other country.”

Yes, yes, sure, you're the best in South America.
All we hear from you is “other societies are dupes and morally corrupt ”.

Argentina is in the middle of a “class war” right now!!
While the Middle class is vilified and derided, the proletariat are led around by the nose and manipulated, like dumb cattle.
It is in the interest of CFK, the populist, to keep them poor and stupid. They make useful tools when you cast the Middle Class as their enemies and pit them against each other.
Now the poor are dependent on handouts and the finances of the middle Class are controlled.
The wealthy are complicit for self-preservation, or warily opposed.
An example? - how about the persecution of the family that owns CLARIN.

Not only are foreigners seeing through your propaganda, but your own people see it too.

Does CFK have a confirmed seat for you on Tango One ???
61 txiki (#) Nov 21st, 2012 - 01:35 am Report abuse

The Queen is head of state of 16 countries, all of them far more transparent and democratic than argentina with its failing democracy - amongst them are such countries as Canada, Australia and New Zealand. All of these independent countries have a British governor who represents the Queen in those countries in the same way the governor of the Falklands represents the Queen in the islands. He is not the de facto ruler. The falklanders have their own democratic organisation.

The future of the Falklands is for the islanders to decide - as enshrined in the UN charter. The C24 is becoming more and more irrelevant in the light of these comments. All those nations that wish to be independent already are, or are fighting very publicly to be so (Palestine, east Timor etc). In fact, in 2014 the Scottish will vote on whether or not they wish to become independent from the UK. Do you hear the Queen complaining about that? Of course not.

If Argentina is serious about trying to get sovereignty, then they should go to the ICJ in the Hague. Of course, the cards are stacked against them because the reality is that the islands have been settled and administered by the current population for nearly 200 years, and the argentine case is very weak in light of the peace treaty signed by your government in 1850. It's strange also that for nearly 100 years there was no mention of the sovereignty dispute in the argentine opening of parliaments until it looked like Britain was going to be defeat in WW2 and the then government decided to be opportunistic and since then have been crying to all that listen that the islands belong to them whereas the world is now a very different place to what it was in 1833 and the world have moved on and Argentina is stuck in the past, ironically with a country several times bigger than it was in 1833 without any kind of colonialism, expansionism or expropriation of indigenous lands.

El muerto se ríe del degollado. ....
62 KFC de Pollo (#) Nov 21st, 2012 - 01:43 am Report abuse
lol @ the malvinistaas trying to justify their crazy viewpoint. This is a great letter!
63 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Nov 21st, 2012 - 01:44 am Report abuse

Our country, our rules. Foreigners bye-bye.
64 txiki (#) Nov 21st, 2012 - 02:00 am Report abuse

Foreigners bye-bye?

So I guess the 98% of the population of Argentina who have European roots had better start packing their bags and head back to Europe then - those of them who haven't already left - funny how I have met a lot of argentines in Europe who left after the last financial melt down, having to go up their family tree so they can get a European passport. How can that be, they are all south Americans, not Europeans. Hmmm, something doesn't add up, does it.

Having lived in Spain, Colombia, guatemala and met a lot of people from all over the continent, there is one thing that is clear. That is that the rest of the continent laugh at you. A country that had so much potential has been ruined by decades of corrupt governments and dictators - and the cycle continues while the Botox Queen plays the Fiddle while Rome burns. Enjoy your pesos while they are worth something. I'd invest in a wheelbarrow while they are still affordable. You might need it soon.
65 Troy Tempest (#) Nov 21st, 2012 - 02:03 am Report abuse
@63 Nostrildoofus

“Our country, our rules. Foreigners bye-bye.”

You criticise our countries in an off-topic distraction, but you can't face criticism of Argentina's government and your war on your own people.

Once CFK flocks off with her bags of loot, two steps ahead of the lunch mob, what will you be left with, TIT ??
66 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Nov 21st, 2012 - 02:05 am Report abuse

And you think we give a slark about the rest of the world laughing at us? You are meaningless, picayune irrelevancies for us.

The rest of Latin America laughing at us when they are 10 times worse on average speaks for itself. You Europeans laughing at us about “debt” when your debts amount to your entire GDP is equally hillarious.

When you demand that all Americans and Canadians vacate North America, then your Anglo-saxon hypocricies might be given a first thought, then again. no.

Now get out of here you argie-hater. When are the million of Brits that invaded other people's lands going back home...
67 PGH (#) Nov 21st, 2012 - 02:19 am Report abuse
How about the UK & Co. stepping down from their dictator's throne at the Security Council and renouncing to the undemocratic veto powers? That would give some fresh air to the UN...
68 Troy Tempest (#) Nov 21st, 2012 - 02:23 am Report abuse
@66 Nostrildoofus

Tick tock LOL

You say:
“The rest of Latin America laughing at us when they are 10 times worse on average speaks for itself. You Europeans laughing at us about “debt” when your debts amount to your entire GDP is equally hillarious.”

We say:
They are good judges - funny how they watch you and all come to the same conclusions.

You're the ones that wanted “foreigners” to go “bye bye”, Doofus, not us.

That was your idea because you don't like the criticism of witnesses to your crap, or your government's ridiculous indefensible actions.
69 txiki (#) Nov 21st, 2012 - 02:24 am Report abuse

I guess that is the way the few remaining indigenous people that are left in argentina see the implanted foreign European population in the same way and wish they would go home. It's a shame that nobody wants them back in Europe. In fact, you could say the same about most of the population of Latin America, since the indigenous population of the continent has been mostly replace by foreign invaders from Spain and portugal. So it should be a case or Argie go home!
70 Troy Tempest (#) Nov 21st, 2012 - 02:44 am Report abuse
@63 Nostrildoofus

“Our country, our rules. Foreigners bye-bye.”

Your own “glib response” to avoid further discussion.

71 PGH (#) Nov 21st, 2012 - 02:48 am Report abuse
@69 txiki

Next time you visit Argentina, pay attention to the color of our skin. We are not fully white, which means we didn't build an apartheid nor “replaced” the population.
72 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Nov 21st, 2012 - 02:58 am Report abuse

Well, but sadly in this case I have that right because you people come HERE to talk about MY country. I don't go THERE (to whatever forums you guys have), to discuss about your country.

Slight difference.
73 WestisBest (#) Nov 21st, 2012 - 03:00 am Report abuse

“We are not fully white, which means we didn't build an apartheid nor “replaced” the population.”

No, it means you're of latin descent. Sure you don't have a reprehensible system like apartheid but that's because you don't need one, aparthied was about about keeping races segregated, When it came to South American natives Argentina used extermination rather than segregation.
74 Troy Tempest (#) Nov 21st, 2012 - 03:02 am Report abuse

We come HERE to see the news of the Falklands.

You come HERE to intimidate the Falklands and insult our countries to discredit them - for political propaganda purposes.

Big difference
75 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Nov 21st, 2012 - 03:03 am Report abuse

And the non-Falkland threads? Why are you people there?

Game Over.
76 PGH (#) Nov 21st, 2012 - 03:07 am Report abuse
@64 txiki

That supposed 98% of the population with European roots can also have Indigenous roots, as you may now realize. Most of us have a mixture of blood running through our veins.
77 Troy Tempest (#) Nov 21st, 2012 - 03:14 am Report abuse

Oh, so you can pick and choose what we can read on News forums in the Public Domain ??

What our neighbours do, affects us, and is fair to comment on or reply to comments by others, especially if those comments are inaccurate or deliberately misleading, TRoll.

We are not the ones with an organisation and an agenda to annex the property of others, Campora troll.
78 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Nov 21st, 2012 - 03:17 am Report abuse
Then expect to be criticized you fool. Just because Mercopress is a bad news organization that fails to report on whatever happens in Canada does not mean I don't have the right to criticize your country.
79 Troy Tempest (#) Nov 21st, 2012 - 03:31 am Report abuse
@78 Campora Troll
“Then expect to be criticized you fool. Just because Mercopress is a bad news organization that fails to report on whatever happens in Canada does not mean I don't have the right to criticize your country.”

LOL, that's just it - you already DO criticise CAnada, (esp. PH-Alex) and UK, and USA and anyone else you feel jealous about, or has something you want, or questions your motives, or ASKS FOR THEIR MONEY BACK!

Most of all - you villify others for fear they'll take your measure - and you'll be found wanting.

As I said, you invite reaction with your hostile, fantastic, accusations.
But you know that, already.

The Falklands will have Self-Determination. C24 Committee will be called to account.
80 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Nov 21st, 2012 - 03:38 am Report abuse
Which is why Isolationism is the best answer for both sides. You stop hearing about our jealousy, you stop being scammed by us not paying back, we stop being “covetous”... and we also no longer have to deal with any other country on this planet.

Win-win for all.
81 dab14763 (#) Nov 21st, 2012 - 03:46 am Report abuse
61 txiki

The Queen is head of state of 16 countries, all of them far more transparent and democratic than argentina with its failing democracy - amongst them are such countries as Canada, Australia and New Zealand. All of these independent countries have a British governor who represents the Queen in those countries in the same way the governor of the Falklands represents the Queen in the islands.


The Governors General of those countries are not British. They are citizens of their respective countries.
82 Troy Tempest (#) Nov 21st, 2012 - 03:50 am Report abuse
@80 Troll
“Which is why Isolationism is the best answer for both sides.”

Hmmm, I certainly didn't say that, you did.

“we no longer have to deal with any other country on this planet”

That's up to you. For practical reasons, I think you'll find it difficult. Good luck to you.

This forum would certainly be a nicer place without provocative postings. “Win-win for all”, but it won't happen, will it?
83 St.John (#) Nov 21st, 2012 - 04:58 am Report abuse
Good god! 82 comment on a non-event!

Who is THE boss, the Secretary General of the UN or the chairman of some sub-sub-committee?

End of story.
84 ElaineB (#) Nov 21st, 2012 - 05:00 am Report abuse
@80 You speak only for yourself, not for the majority of Argentines.
85 Marcos Alejandro (#) Nov 21st, 2012 - 06:04 am Report abuse
“We elect our own Government in a democratic manner”
Who voted for the governor?

Why are the British in Malvinas so upset, Ambassador Pazmiño already visited Argentina and he doesn't have the time to visit every corner of our large republic.
86 Troy Tempest (#) Nov 21st, 2012 - 06:31 am Report abuse
@85 Marcos

Boring and obvious remark, and you're late to the party. Yawn
87 toooldtodieyoung (#) Nov 21st, 2012 - 07:19 am Report abuse
The Falkland Islands b*tch slaps the UN c24!!

Great letter on behalf of the falkland Islands....... Just another example of the UN wading into an argument they know nothing about..... or they think they know something about with big size 12's on.

The c24 is a joke and this clown Ambassador Diego Morejón Pazmiño is the ringmaster
88 DanyBerger (#) Nov 21st, 2012 - 07:32 am Report abuse
Well typical reaction from MP FI posters that only like the rule of law when only is ruled on their favour.

If the Ambassador would be Canadian and would be caught on a video taking a bribe from KaMoron for ruling on Britain favour they will be happy jumping like monkeys telling that modern democracy works like that.
89 toooldtodieyoung (#) Nov 21st, 2012 - 07:45 am Report abuse
88 DanyBerger

Did you read Troy Tempest @ 88?????

“Boring and obvious remark, and you're late to the party. Yawn”

Please try and keep up with the rest of the class.........
90 HansNiesund (#) Nov 21st, 2012 - 07:50 am Report abuse

Not only that, but even with a first-order stooge charing a committee of anglophobes, all they manage to get is a resolution recommending “dialogue”.

Which they then reject when it's offered.

What a triumph of diplomacy this is.
91 Doveoverdover (#) Nov 21st, 2012 - 07:54 am Report abuse

Stop moaning and whinging, dry yer eyes Princess and grow a pair. But above all else, for heavens sake remember you are British. First divide, then conquer.

Perhaps, given the entrenched position of the Chair, a public invitation to the two Vice Chairs of the C24 to visit might yield a more positive result? Cuba knows all about oppression by a larger neighbour, foreign sponsorship and has oil prospects. OK, perhaps not. Then there's Sierra Leone.; former British “colony” and “protectorate” with good cause to be both antagonistic but also thankful to the British ten years after the Civil War ended. Who can forget the dispatching into history of the self styled “West Side Niggas” but who can remember the less well known role played by British officers in UNAMSIL? And what an auspicious time now would be as they celebrate another peaceful democratic election under international observation. And they've got hydrocarbons too.

Go on, invite HE Mr Touray to visit on Referendum day.
92 Musky (#) Nov 21st, 2012 - 08:35 am Report abuse
Well done Dr Elsby.

UNC24 must known they've been turned through 180 degrees from a body freeing people from illegitimate rule to one that wishes to disregard the rights of self determination. The C24 have lost their way and the last conflab with the cFK in attendance was its opportunity to shine. Its flame has clearly gone out.
93 txiki (#) Nov 21st, 2012 - 08:47 am Report abuse
Last time I was in BA, there were an awful lot of European looking people, far more than in Colombia, Peru, Ecuador and Latin countries - which is why most of the rest of Latin America make fun of it. The argentines are the French of Latin America. They think they are superior to all the other countries in the region and yet the one thin that all the other countries have in common is that they are the joke. I mean come on, why is it the so called most European of Latam countries the one that keeps going bust?

It makes me laugh so much when latams talk about their independence from the mother country and how they fought to free themselves of oppression and yet they themselves are colonialists in foreign lands.. It was a shame that the continent wasn't colonised by the British, as I am sure that it would be a lot more developed, democratic and rich than it is right now. Instead you inherited the Spanish penchant for caciques, corruption and nepotism. You just don't have enough people of Anglo Saxon descent. That is the problem.

It's a shame. Argentina is a beautiful country with some outstanding natural beauty. However, it seems to be stuck in 1833 when a few illegal occupiesrs of some island had their military garrison removed back to the mainland. The world has moved on; maps have been redrawn and where modern boundaries lay now is pretty much where they are going to stay. The united provinces is now several national states, Patagonia no longer is indigenous territory and the Falklands are not part of Argentina, and to think this will ever change is setting up generations of argentines for continued disappointment. Argentina is not going to return the lad it got from Paraguay it seized in the war of the triple alliance, the conquista de desierto is not going to be reversed and all Europeans are not going to return north to what was the provincial de rio plata.

You guys should take a chill pill and get over it.

Que tengáis un buen día.
94 LightThink (#) Nov 21st, 2012 - 08:53 am Report abuse
The British ( pardon i mean English- i dont make wrong on Welsh/Scots/Irish ) what eccentric people..

They hidden away behind a fictional -- honorable doctors -- interested at only a small UK military base.

Just Alligator tears !
95 txiki (#) Nov 21st, 2012 - 09:14 am Report abuse
Well at least these eccentric British don't live in a world of delusion, on the slippery slope to a dictatorship where the free press is being legislated against, the leader and her cronies enrich themselves as much as they can and are only interested in how much they can put in their pockets while they are in power - which I don't think will be much longer.

After all, I'm what other countries would Bordou still be part of an administration?

The best one is the letter the so-called letter that has been sent to cristina.


Goebbels would have been proud of that one. I almost chocked on my empanada when I read it. For some reason they think Cristina can fix it. For those who speak Spanish, the comments at the bottom are priceless

“Every day I am prouder and prouder of having elected the Presidenta that we have. I think only the people who have blind souls cannot realise the potential that we have in the leadership of our beautiful country. Thanks Cristina!” - Daisy, aged 8 1/2.

I think I'll have to go and start posting on tiempo argentino como el picaron que soy.
96 Anbar (#) Nov 21st, 2012 - 09:55 am Report abuse
“”“@38 www.un.org/en/contactus/ that should do it matey”“””

not really, its more to do with website feedback and is limited to 200 characters (not words, characters).

I just find it rather interesting, and very sad, that there is no easy way for the public to get in touch with this so-called committee (or the UN in general)... doesnt say much about the organisation when its that hard to find a way to contact them does it?


“”“”Not only that, but even with a first-order stooge charing a committee of anglophobes, all they manage to get is a resolution recommending “dialogue”.

Which they then reject when it's offered.

What a triumph of diplomacy this is.“”“”

The whole of the UN is a joke, a big, fat, expensive joke on all of us who pay for it.


“”“”The Falkland Islands b*tch slaps the UN c24!!“”“”

yup, pretty much: it really does make the Chairman look like a right idiot.

No wonder Ban ki-moon hinted at it being reformed.
97 JuanGabriel (#) Nov 21st, 2012 - 09:56 am Report abuse
@95 I particularly enjoyed the article on that site comparing the tax allowances of the different countries in the region using the 'official' dollar rate to convert Argentinas tax allowance.
98 txiki (#) Nov 21st, 2012 - 10:11 am Report abuse
Sorry guys, wrong link for the Cristina letter and Daisy's comments:


Great fiction writers in Argentina.
99 Benson (#) Nov 21st, 2012 - 10:16 am Report abuse
@53 so_far
“UN official and main body say that Malvinas is an Non-Self-Governing Territorie that MUST enter in the des coloization process in mandatory way.”
FIG runs the internal governance of the Falklands and is taking a wider role in external affairs.

“The head of state is the Queen, nobody vote of her , so Malvinas follow a old fashioned monarchy system.”
She is the head of state in the same way she is the head of state of the UK, a figurehead. The UK is a democracy and so are the Falklands.

“The Falkland Islands are a United Kingdom Overseas Territory by choice. Supreme authority is vested in Her Majesty The Queen and exercised by a Governor on her behalf..” “The role of the Governor.... is the representative of HM the Queen in the Islands, and represents the UK Government..”
The key words in this paragraph are “by choice”

“This a sovergein issue between 2 nations AR-UK”
The difference between the two nations is that the UK have stated they will abide with our wishes when it comes to sovereignty.
100 Boovis (#) Nov 21st, 2012 - 11:24 am Report abuse
@94: ”The British ( pardon i mean English- i dont make wrong on Welsh/Scots/Irish ) what eccentric people..”

Irish people are Irish, not British. When did your geography books get published, 1921?
101 Zethee (#) Nov 21st, 2012 - 11:31 am Report abuse
“No wonder Ban ki-moon hinted at it being reformed.”

This is very likely to happen in the next few years, as the remainder on the list do not with to be decolonised. And no matter what Argentina will say, the C24 was set up for the people of the territories. Not for the colonising nation.

Argentina will still complain at even opportunity, without taking it to the ICJ because any intelligent Argentine knows that the ICJ will always side with the people.
102 Idlehands (#) Nov 21st, 2012 - 11:39 am Report abuse
The statement by Pazmino should be used as an opportunity to get the Falklands removed from the decolonisation committee list.

At least it would spare us all the annual charade that surrounds it.
103 briton (#) Nov 21st, 2012 - 12:47 pm Report abuse
what an humiliation,

she will enter the history books as the worlds only leader, that claimed everything, and got nothing but humiliated..
104 Pete Bog (#) Nov 21st, 2012 - 12:50 pm Report abuse
However much the Argentines bleat about the 2013 referendum, Ban kimoon cannot dismiss a democratic vote and it will be the springboard for the ML:As to increase their challenge on say the innnacurate information that led to res2065.

Also the resolutions that call for the UK and Argentina to talk are not divorced from Independence, the UN Charter and the islanders Interests, and they only ask for talks.

The Islanders really must take the political offensive after 2013 to blow down the flimsy Argentine house of cards.
105 briton (#) Nov 21st, 2012 - 01:01 pm Report abuse
perhaps it will inspire patagonia and thers to have a referendum,
and dump their corupt leaders in favoure of independence.
106 gustbury (#) Nov 21st, 2012 - 01:34 pm Report abuse
Falklands a country? hahaha. Self government? hahahah .If you are just a neighborhood with 2500 persons.You are only landowners of Britain!!(the big usurper)...
107 Simon68 (#) Nov 21st, 2012 - 01:46 pm Report abuse
We should not get too excited about Ambassador Diego Morejón Pazmiño's interview with Tiempo Argentino, he is obviously using those 30 years of experience as a diplomat because in the whole interview he did not once mention the UK, the United Kingdom, or Great Britain, what he did do was mention “Inglaterra” and “ingleses” a total of 9 times. Thus his words mean absolutely nothing, his support of our dear Mr. Timerman, like his support of our country is non existent!!!!!!
108 LEPRecon (#) Nov 21st, 2012 - 01:53 pm Report abuse
@106 - gustbury

It seems to be more of a country than Argentina is right now.

Finally able to get to work at La Campora HQ after the strikes yesterday, eh?

Face it, Gustbury, every day that goes past only strengthens the Islanders claim and weakens Argentina's already lame claim.

Everytime a member of the Kirchner government opens their mouth they strengthen the Falklanders claim to be self-governing.

Argentina has never had a right to the Falkland Islands, and will never get the Falkland Island no matter how many LIES you tell. The world sees your government for what they are: Liars, debtors, defaulters, whiners, crybabies, pathetic and untrustworthy.

And because they are your government, that is how the world perceives all of Argentina, including the people there.

Oh, gustbury, perhaps you'd like to explain how the Falkland Islanders don't have a right to their own land, when they've lived on it longer than Argentina has existed?

Are you going to spout the usual rubbish that is so easily refuted as being distortions of the truth and outright lies?

The Falkland Islanders will still be free of Argentine rule in 100 years time. I doubt Argentina will still exist then, you will have fallen into ruin because you keep electing corrupt officials who steal all your money.

I foresee Argentina breaking up due to civil war, and provinces declaring independence. Then its bye-bye Argentina for good.
109 Boovis (#) Nov 21st, 2012 - 01:54 pm Report abuse
A man who works for the United Nations and doesn't even know the names of the member states should seriously reconsider his position.
110 gustbury (#) Nov 21st, 2012 - 02:07 pm Report abuse
109@-We have internal problems like any country, that does not mean that we are not worthy to regain sovereignty over our islands!.And remember nobody cries holy water, unless you!with respect to the islanders, they can stay if they wish but under sovereignty Argentina will respect their customs!!After all, we consider Argentines to the islanders like Alexander Bert and many others!! greetings
111 LEPRecon (#) Nov 21st, 2012 - 02:13 pm Report abuse
@104 - Pete

It seems like the FIG is already on the offensive to me. In the past year they have shown the world that the have a voice, and have used that voice to show that they are indeed a people who have the same basic right as every other human on the planet, to decide their own alliegiance and status.

In other words, self-determination.

This the Argentines can't stand, because they now know that they will never get the Falklands. However, the Argentine government is just spiteful enough to try and ruin the Falklands if they can't have them.

But we all know that the only way the Argentine government can ruin the Falklands is if they somehow get sovereignty over them. I mean they've already made a pig's ear of Argentina itself. :)
112 Conqueror (#) Nov 21st, 2012 - 02:50 pm Report abuse
@14 Got any more drivel you'd like to post?
@21 Then you can STFU. It's all you do.
@27 So?
@31 Of course you do. Shit floats!
@33 Yep. You're so bright that you just addressed yourself!
@34 Yeah. I've just read it too. What a disgrace. Taken the opportunity to pass it to my MP for onward transmission to the Foreign Secretary and the UN Secretary General. Time for Ambassador Morejón Pazmiño to get a boot up the rear on his (permanent) way out of the door.
@38 Don't be silly. What makes you think that the UN would ever have time to listen to people?
@45 Oh, goody. does this mean that Mendoza will now have THREE roads?
@48 Really? According to some of your pals, the whole world is on your side. You say “for whatever reason”. Let me help you. Go through the alphabet. For every letter, think of a negative attribute. It probably applies to argieland. Here's some to start you off. Anal. Belligerent. Corrupt. Criminal.
@54 At what point did you think you became human? You're not human. You're an argie. Carry on with the list.
@59 Don't be silly. You barely scrape in as “THIRD WORLD”.
@63 Good. Sod off!
@67 How about we do something useful? Like ELIMINATING a festering, pus-filled sore from the planet!
@71 Mongrels then, right?
@75 Carry on with the list. You'll get it eventually.
@89 Don't be daft. “Dany” hasn't been able to keep up since “it” was 3 months old.
@91 Why don't you send your suggestion to the FIG?
@100 I'm sorry? At what point in time did “Ireland”, North or South, cease to be part of the British Isles?
@106 gustbury. Fitful wind for interment.
@110 Of course you have “internal problems”. The main one is the large space between your collective ears. You can respect their customs from 400 miles away. Don't get too close. There may be another missile “exercise”.
113 Raven (#) Nov 21st, 2012 - 03:17 pm Report abuse
@ 110 gustbury

Go to the ICJ and prove they are your Islands.

Good luck!
114 Doveoverdover (#) Nov 21st, 2012 - 03:24 pm Report abuse
@7 Splendid comment.
@9 I have to agree.
@12 Absolute rot. You don't know what your typing about.
@23 Well said.
@29 Try putting it through a spell checker first.
@45 Geography lesson needed.
@49 Secretary General, emphasis on “SECRETARY”.
@54 What a ridiculous comment.
@55 Still with us are you? “Why?”
@112 Have you even worked out you're being sent up yet?
@112 Does anyone even read your posts, do you “THINK”?
115 LEPRecon (#) Nov 21st, 2012 - 03:30 pm Report abuse
@110 - gustbury

You can't 'regain' sovereignty over something that has NEVER been yours.

The 3 months illegal occupations in 1833 by UP (Argentina didn't exist then) and 1982 don't count as a legal case in regards to sovereignty.

Spain also did not leave the islands in their will, they couldn't have as they had already relinquished their claims to the Islands more than 10 years prior to recognising Argentina as an independent state.

Argetnina also signed a treaty in 1850 stating that they didn't have any outstanding disputes with Britain, and indeed maps produced for Argentinas embassies at that time clearly show that the Falklands were NOT Argentine territory.

Then Argentina didn't mention the Islands again for 91 years! All sovereignty claims are void if they are lapsed for 50 years or more, so you still haven't got a leg to stand on.

Face it Britain and the Falklanders have EVIDENCE supporting our claims.

All Argentina has is lies supporting your claims:

1. The British expelled an Argentine colony in 1833 - LIE. Firstly only the mutinous and murderous troops from the UP were removed (Argentina didn't exist for another 20 years), secondly none of the colonists were Argentinian (as Argentina didn't exist for another 20 years).
2. Spain ceded the Falklands to Argentina: LIE. Spain dropped its sovereignty claims to the Falklands in the 1840's and even saluted the Union Flag upon departure. Spain didn't recognise Argentina as an independent country until the 1860's.
3. Argentina has continuously claimed sovereignty over the Islands: LIE. From 1853 until 1941, Argentina didn't mention the Falkland Islands at all.
4. The Falklands are closer to Argentina so therefore are Argentinian. WRONG. Proximity is not a basis for sovereignty, and even if it were the Falklands are actually 4 miles closer to Chilean territory than they are to Argentinian.

But it is all irrelevant because SELF-DETERMINATION trumps them all.
116 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Nov 21st, 2012 - 03:32 pm Report abuse
“it was a shame that the continent wasn't colonised by the British, as I am sure that it would be a lot more developed, democratic and rich than it is right now. Instead you inherited the Spanish penchant for caciques, corruption and nepotism. You just don't have enough people of Anglo Saxon descent. That is the problem.”

Actually not. Look at Guyana, not even “inferior” South America wants anything to do with that dump of massive crime and degradation. 100% British, in fact the only piece of South America the British could get (they tried to get a chunk of it twice, but were routed in battle).

This is by far the most racist statement ever on this website. The funny thing is it's just an illusion. The Anglo-saxons just have the benefit of being 'ok' in modern times (last 200 years), but before that they were the laughing stock of Europe and the world, good-for-nothing barbarians whose cities had more plumbing and whose country had more roads and mail under the Romans 1500 years before than in circa 1600-1700. At that time, Spain even tried to invade you, the French saw you as uncivilized, the Germans wanted to convert you, etc. You were the puppets on the fringes.

Of course this period is ending now, as no one in their right mind follows the anglo-saxon economic/banking/social model now. The one that brought the latest crisis, segregation/apartheid, “preemtive war”, and pornography. That's the modern Anglo-saxon cultural legac.


“I foresee Argentina breaking up due to civil war, and provinces declaring independence. Then its bye-bye Argentina for good.”

Put of your evidence or be called a poor liar. hahahahaha.

100 years you said. I can guarantee you your pathetic country won't exist when I graduate.


“Irish people are Irish, not British. When did your geography books get published, 1921?”

Some Argentines confuse “british” with “anglo”. Can't blame them, you people are so identity-confused. But in ARG, Irish are Anglo, just like Jamaicans are.
117 Foxtrot Indigo (#) Nov 21st, 2012 - 04:32 pm Report abuse

And some people confuse RG's with racist xenophobes, but that is an easy mistake to make when the RG trolls on this site bang on about getting rid of foreigners and wishing for the destruction of an entire country because it refuses to be a part of Argentina...
118 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Nov 21st, 2012 - 04:35 pm Report abuse
Well I do want to get rid of the foreigners, but not to “destroy” the Falklands. I do fight my government and those who espouse such views.

Isolationism yes. Opression of others, no.
119 Foxtrot Indigo (#) Nov 21st, 2012 - 05:04 pm Report abuse

Really? Then perhaps you should lobby your government to remove the clause in your constitution which says that the ONLY outcome of talks over the Falklands issue is complete sovereignty over the Island regardless of what the Islanders want. That sounds like oppression to me. Maybe you should also lobby your government to include FIG when talking about sovereignty? Although first you would have to recognise us as a people and I don't think that is likely to happen any time soon.

Maybe if you spread a little of your fabulous wealth of natural resources around Argentina, the government would no longer feel the need to colonise my country to steal our natural resources?
120 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Nov 21st, 2012 - 05:09 pm Report abuse

Don't presume to know what I do or don't do, you don't boss me around (I know it is genetic in the British to believe they can subjugate other peoples in other continents), but not here. You had your chance to take us over twice and failed.

I do not support the use of the constitution for geopolitical grandstanding. I do talk to people and convince them such usage is pernicious. As for negotiations, I don't support sovereignty negotiations. You are British people by ethnicity and genetics. You are status is settled and is not under threat. There is nothing to discuss on that, Argentina cannot remove you from there nor should we ever.

If Argentina dropped the matter for good, then that issue would no longer be up for discussion, and beyond that there is nothing to discuss in any matter between Argentina and the Falkland Islands.
121 Foxtrot Indigo (#) Nov 21st, 2012 - 05:19 pm Report abuse

I wasn't trying to 'boss you around' but Argetina has been trying to boss my country around since 1982 so maybe that is a human trait rather than a British one? You invaded us remember? There were curfews, you forced people to drive on the other side of the road, threatened to shoot people, wanted everyone to talk spanish....does any of this sound like subjugation to you?

Which people do you talk to? Do they have any influence what-so-ever? No point talking unless it gets you somewhere. But I'm not telling you what to do. If you support our right to self determination then you are the first Argentine outside of Argentina I've met who does. I hope the nationalistic trolls don't come for you in a black van for speaking out against the government.

Anyway....I have other things to do. Beisdes, we are getting off-topic here.

122 Raul (#) Nov 21st, 2012 - 05:28 pm Report abuse
53 so_far

Excellent response so_far!!
As you get to know the basis of the conflict of sovereignty of the Malvinas-Falkland Islands, the world is sympathetic to the struggle of the people of Argentina and Latin America, against colonialism and imperialism in the 21st century English.

It's just that the President of the C24 has visited Argentina and no visit to the Malvinas Islands, occupied by British islanders. They do not have the necessary political stature. There are a nation. Conflict is sovereign. No self-determination. They are a colony established in 1833. It is logical that the islanders are British increasingly isolated from the world. His position is dishonest and incomprehensible, so do not listen.
In addition, Dr. Barry Elsby MLA, members of the Legislative Assembly of the Falkland Islands, lying shamelessly as well so_far clarifies.

Decolonization Committee is seen by most countries and the world public opinion as a United Nations Committee of excellent transparency and reputation in an effort to highlight and disseminate the conflicts caused by colonialism and British imperialism.

A major achievement of Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner is to disseminate and make known the truth of the conflict in international organizations like the United Nations, Organization of American States, CELAC, UNASUR and MERCOSUR, She has made ​​this on the agenda of world public opinion. The cause Malvinas has become a cause of strict justice Latinoamericana in defending territorial integrity.

123 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Nov 21st, 2012 - 05:31 pm Report abuse
“Which people do you talk to? Do they have any influence what-so-ever? No point talking unless it gets you somewhere.”

Well, you certainly won't ever be called an activist of any sort.

You may not have a good idea what a free society is. In a free society, change comes from the bottom up, not the top down. I talk to regular people on the untenability of the Falklands position, how you as people are no different in how you got there than most Argentines are, how it is much better for us to focus on colonizing Antarctica, and on isolationism from the rest of the world.
124 ProRG_American (#) Nov 21st, 2012 - 05:46 pm Report abuse
Just to show you to the extremes that the FIG imported scoundrels will go to appaear as the victiims in this matter to deceive the world. Nothing new here. Getting a little nervous perhaps?
125 Monkeymagic (#) Nov 21st, 2012 - 06:04 pm Report abuse

I would also like to thank Cristina and Timmerman for bringing the issue to the notice of the United Nations.

It has resulted in the almost unprecedented situation where the UN Secretary General has completely contradicted your leader. “No security council member has broken a UN resolution”....that wasn't your leaders claim was it?

The people of former colonies have the right to decide their own futures...again, not what your joke of a Government wanted to here.

Yes, Cheers Cristina, you have managed to do more harm to Argentinas ludicrous claim to the islands than anyone else except possibly Galteiri. What happened to him?
126 TipsyThink (#) Nov 21st, 2012 - 06:42 pm Report abuse

Captain Yankeeconqueror and crew.
127 txiki (#) Nov 21st, 2012 - 06:57 pm Report abuse

What is Argentina? It is a country of imported peoples. According to INDEC's Complementary Survey of Indigenous Peoples - only 1.4% of the population of Argentina are INDIGENOUS.

Therefore 98% of the population are of mainly European import. Argentina is a creation of imperialist colonisation, and since independence from the spanish crown, has COLONISED large amounts of indigenous territory.

If there is anyone playing the victim card, it's the argentine government.

El muerto se rie del degollado.
128 Conqueror (#) Nov 21st, 2012 - 06:58 pm Report abuse
@114 Do I care what you “THINK”? I don't listen to cowardly traitors.
@116 What a shame that you appear not to know that the English Empire began in 1576. England and Britain. Empire, Empire, Empire. And argieland is racist. It's in its constitution.
@120 What's the matter? Too much of a coward?
@122 Oh ho. Stupid wanker is back. What a joke against imperialist, colonialist, brain-dead argieland. How good of you to demonstrate how brainless you are. But we'll get rid of the Ecuadorian faggot. And Assange is still banged up. Merry Christmas, Julie. C24 is FINISHED. Once the UN Secretary General sees his article, he''s dead meat.
@123 Trust us. We can really ISOLATE you. It will be as though you don't exist!
@124 Would you like a list of the panic-stricken in the argie government? ALL of them. Can't be bothered to list all the criminals. Here's a clue, though. CFK, Bidet, Tinpotman, Randy Florence, PutridJelly, Herman the German, the Tomato, Silly Bertie and so on.
And we have nothing to be nervous about. The only danger from your “farces” is the stink as they shit themselves.
129 Tabutos (#) Nov 21st, 2012 - 07:03 pm Report abuse
@124 not nervous, nothing to be nervous about.. little chance of invasion due to out forces present on their islands. Little chance of Argentina getting there greedy hands on them by any means due to self determination. good supporting letter well done islanders!

if i were argentina i would worry more about there own problems rampant inflation being one of them unless the common RG trolls Believe every thing that comes out the governments mouth
130 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Nov 21st, 2012 - 07:07 pm Report abuse

Funny you Brits never follow your own advice. You are up to the knees in economic sewage, and you still are out trying to play in the Middle East for example.

If I were British I would be so outraged that my government spends so much time on all these other matters and not on the domestic problems.
131 Pugol-H (#) Nov 21st, 2012 - 07:20 pm Report abuse
@122 Raul
Have you been on Mars for the last few weeks, the sympathy and UN support is clearly with the Islanders. “The main criteria of the main UN bodies was the Islanders right to decide their own future”. Said Ban-Ki Moon.

Oh and Britain is not breaking or violating any UN resolutions with respect to Falkland/Malvinas Islands or colonialism.

You do realise the C24 is the DECOLONISATION committee, not the SOVERIGN DISPUTE resolution committee. Exactly where else would its president go but to the alleged colony it is supposed to be helping. But no he goes to see the coloniser pending.

The C24 is soon to be reformed because it has lost all credibility, especially with the people it is supposed to be helping.

What CFK has done is make territorial disputes fashionable in S America, soon you’ll all have one.

If world public opinion supports you, then how is it nobody in the world has said anything to the British about it, and it has had no effect on British interests anywhere in the world outside Argentina.

Could it be you live on a different world?
132 TipsyThink (#) Nov 21st, 2012 - 07:23 pm Report abuse
128 Captain Yankeeconqueror

You are the racist too like us .........

Where is your black groom to your Royal family ?
133 toooldtodieyoung (#) Nov 21st, 2012 - 07:29 pm Report abuse
130 Nostrolldamus The 2nd

LOL, LOL and more LOL!!!!

You see what you did there? you f**ked yourself in public. We got you to shaft yourself infront of everyone with that statement and Oh it's funny, it's so funny!!!!

lets just take your last statement shall we?

“If I were British I would be so outraged that my government spends so much time on all these other matters and not on the domestic problems.”

All you need do is substitute the word “British” for the word “Argentinian” and there you have it!!!!! Sounds to me like you are so embittered about the mess that your government is making that you just can't help yourself. It leaks out anyway............

and again with your first statement:-

“You are up to the knees in economic sewage” LOL!!!! write about what you know, write about what you know...... If it's economic sewage look closer to home........

So tell me Nostrolldamus The 2nd did you have a much loved family pet that died suddenly?

Or did you have a brother or sister that got most of the attention from your mum and dad?
134 briton (#) Nov 21st, 2012 - 07:42 pm Report abuse
is in fact indipendent.

and has the same rights as argentina,
135 txiki (#) Nov 21st, 2012 - 07:55 pm Report abuse
Guyana - independent nation. That really gets up Hugo Chavez's nose.

So, it is good news then
136 briton (#) Nov 21st, 2012 - 07:58 pm Report abuse
always good news,
more the better,
makes up for the bad news from these south American loonies,[the bad ones]
137 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Nov 21st, 2012 - 08:21 pm Report abuse
Argentina, independent nation that refuses to submit to the UK world view.

Gets up on all the British' noses.
138 briton (#) Nov 21st, 2012 - 08:30 pm Report abuse
Always changing the subject with a presumption

[Argentina, independent nation that refuses to submit to the UK
Sadly is it not the other way around,

[Falklands , that refuses to submit to Argentina ]
139 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Nov 21st, 2012 - 08:32 pm Report abuse
That's fine. Falklands (with help) stand up to Argetnina.

Argentina (alone) stands up against the World (EU, USA, China, Mercosur, et al)

Both have balls, we have more guts (no help).
140 LEPRecon (#) Nov 21st, 2012 - 08:39 pm Report abuse
@139 - Tobias

You have to ask yourselves why Argentina has so many problems with the international community.

No other country has so many disputes with so many different countries.

Perhaps it's time to accept that the problem is Argentina and not the rest of the world.

Perhaps it's time for Argentina to grow up and accept some responsibility for itself instead of continuously blaming 'someone' else.

However, back to the story.

The UN decolonisation committee will be disbanded. The current bunch of committee members, acting outside of their remit, will only hasten the end.
141 TipsyThink (#) Nov 21st, 2012 - 08:47 pm Report abuse
There might be a Indian groom to UK Royal Family if not black.
142 LEPRecon (#) Nov 21st, 2012 - 08:48 pm Report abuse
@141 - Tipsy

Take your racism and do one.
143 txiki (#) Nov 21st, 2012 - 08:50 pm Report abuse

So? Is that important? I don't think so. London is one of the most cosmopolitan places on this planet, I don't think many people would think twice about it.

We live in the 21st century - not the 19th - like most of the population of argentina.
144 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Nov 21st, 2012 - 08:50 pm Report abuse
As for this committee, it is the UN. Enough said. Completely corrupt and rotten, and impotent. A good reflexion on the members that make up the different UN council, the Security Council being exhibit A on how a rotten, utterly debauched institution takes on the traits of the individual members.
145 briton (#) Nov 21st, 2012 - 08:58 pm Report abuse
why blame the security council,

its all of the UN ,
and the likes of some who use it for trivial rubbish,
and just bogs it down.
146 txiki (#) Nov 21st, 2012 - 09:02 pm Report abuse

So why does Timmerman keep going running to the SC looking for help?

What's the betting the first thing the Argentine abassador to the UN talks about when they take up their seat in the SC in the next few months? I bet all the other nations are yawning already.
147 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Nov 21st, 2012 - 09:03 pm Report abuse

Who's blaming the Security Council? I was speaking of the UN in general. All of it is rotten and corrupt, and the fault is of the people and countries that run it, because they themselves are corrupt, and rotten.

When an entity whose SOLE AND SPECIFIC AND PARAMOUNT purpose was to prevent WAR (the security council), by having countries come in, sit down, and talk instead of just going off...

...when it is that very entity that creates the concept of “Preemptive War” (in other words, to go on an offensive war simply on the suspition of another threatening you), then you know that place is run by some funest, minatory people and nations, who have no respect for international law, peace, or other nations.
148 briton (#) Nov 21st, 2012 - 09:06 pm Report abuse
now nothing will ever get done,
without one of her team shouting abt the falklands.
149 Gordo1 (#) Nov 21st, 2012 - 09:20 pm Report abuse
Diego Morejón Pazmiño is an Ecuadorean national and, like his President Rafael Correa, is in the pocket of Argentina.
150 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Nov 21st, 2012 - 09:22 pm Report abuse

And Ghana isn't in the pocket of the UK right?

The 'independent Ghana” line is only believed by the Brits. They are a country ully dependent and bought by London (as any Commonwealth country more or less is by default).
151 briton (#) Nov 21st, 2012 - 09:23 pm Report abuse
tut tut
its independent, full stop.
152 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Nov 21st, 2012 - 09:24 pm Report abuse
Its independent... of independence.

(period). (not called full stop).
153 Musky (#) Nov 21st, 2012 - 09:30 pm Report abuse
@150 Nostrels
Don't be a twonk, Ghana is its own person. It does not jump to the british beat or even the argentine one. On the African continent it is one of the most stable countries. Your posting is 'fact free'.
154 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Nov 21st, 2012 - 09:39 pm Report abuse
Right, but Ecuador is in the pocked of Argentina.

You people really can't see how ridiculous you look. When it suits you, you all spew out “South America is all disunited and fighting each other”, when things don't go your way “Oh X country is in the pocket of Argentina”.

Don't you see any contradiction between those two? Of course not, because you people have lost the plot blinded by the anti-argie diplopia with cataracts.

Ghana is not is own person, nor is any commonwealth nation. Everyone in the world knows that.
155 LEPRecon (#) Nov 21st, 2012 - 09:45 pm Report abuse
@150 - Tobias

Aww you seem upset. Is it because you think yourself superior to Ghana and are mad that they don't see, what you believe to be true, Argentina's inherent superiority?

Are you upset because you can't bully or bribe them to do as you want?

Your whole post was laughingly stupid.

You who have never left your home province, who has never travelled and met the people of different cultures, cannot hope to comprehend how stupid and naive you sound.

I dare you to go up to a Ghanaian man and tell him that Ghana is just the lap dog of the UK. But you wouldn't do that, as you wouldn't have the courage to face another man to man.

You really are scraping the barrel of patheticness lately.

As for the actual theme of the thread, well I've made my views known.
156 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Nov 21st, 2012 - 09:55 pm Report abuse

And you woudn't say anything you have said about Argentina in my face. Or any other argentine.

I would tell the Ghanan that his country is not fully independent being part of the Commonwealth. Just a fact. It's nothing against Ghana I would caveat, the same applies to Canada, Australia, Kenya and the rest.

Remember you are the ones who are saying the Ecuadorians are in our pocket. I guess because you can't bribe them from London or you feel superior to them right?
157 LEPRecon (#) Nov 21st, 2012 - 10:13 pm Report abuse
@157 - Tobias

Actually I would.

I don't have a problem with Argentina, except for the fact that you are trying to steal land from and oppress the Falkland Islanders.

So yes, I would quite happily have a face to face discussion with an Argentinian regarding these matters.

The Commonwealth is a voluntary membership, no one is forced to join against their will. Indeed Cameroon and Mozambique have joined and they were never a part of the British Empire. It is you who is implying that Commonwealth countries are coerced by Britain, and you never provide any facts either, just make baseless accusations.

I have never said the Ecuadorians are in your (Argentina's) pocket, you appear to have made that up, haven't you?

The British don't go in for bribing people, but we do stand by the rule of law, so if someone acts outside of the law, they are punished.

No I don't feel superior to others, again this is something that you have said, probably because you feel it's true about yourself.

So once again, Tobias, you show your naivity and/or stupidity.

By the way, the Falklands are still British and will be as long as the people of the Falklands wish to be. Just like Ghana is a Commonwealth country and will be for as long as they want to be.

It must really upset the little fantasy you have built about the British being evil oppressors when all the former Empire countries voluntarily join the Commonwealth and share true friendship with Britain.


Jealous, Tobias? Soft words and positive image can go so much further than whinging, crying and playing the victim all the time.
158 ProRG_American (#) Nov 21st, 2012 - 11:24 pm Report abuse
I love the scenes where the redcoats are getting battered especially in 2:01 where the redcoats are surrendering. Fits them well, just as in Buenos Aires in 1806 and 1807.
159 HansNiesund (#) Nov 21st, 2012 - 11:28 pm Report abuse
That was 200+ years ago. Can you think of anything that's happened since?
160 José Malvinero (#) Nov 22nd, 2012 - 01:22 am Report abuse
Alexander Betts, super reduced to enter ..
“In addition, Mr. Chairman and members of the Committee must be clear that there is not a government Malvinas independent freely chosen by its inhabitants. The executive management falls on a non-elective Governor appointed by the Crown. Any action, decision or public statement made by this official is made on behalf of Her Majesty, the Queen. Its functions and powers are more like a viceroy a governor.”
“This governor / viceroy accompanying two other officials of the metropolis, obviously not elective. The Administrative Executive, therefore, is outside of the popular will.
What happens to the legislature? The Legislative Assembly consists of 13 members, 5 of them being public servants belonging to the illegitimate governor and cabinet is appointed directly by him including body president. With this methodology, it is clear that there is, in the Islands, the division or separation of powers in the Islands.”
“The remaining eight members of the Assembly are elected by universal suffrage. Of the members elected to the Assembly in exercise, five were born in our islands and four of them have grown up there. The remaining three were born in the UK, coming to the islands during the decades of 80 and 90. In summary, 8 of the 13 members that make up the legislature are filobritánicos, native UK.”
“With the Executive Assembly could follow suit, but even more disproportionate. The body has eight members, chaired by the colonial Governor assisted by four Cabinet officials appointed colonial in the Legislature, including the Attorney General and the Colonial Commander in Chief of the British garrison in the South Atlantic!!!!!!, and there are two members who come the UK and only one island.”
“That is, in fact, do not govern the Malvinas native to the Malvinas, but citizens do natives of Great Britain in the Islands.”
161 Monty69 (#) Nov 22nd, 2012 - 01:37 am Report abuse
161 José Malvinero

Who is this Alexander Betts?
He seems very bothered by where our councillors were born, Which is a bit strange, because if we were bothered by it, we wouldn't have voted for them.
How long do you have to have been in Argentina to become involved in politics? If you arrived in the 1980s, would you be allowed to stand for election?
All the other members of LegCo are ex officio and don't geet a vote. They provide guidance when required by the elected members.
We are happy with this system, and it has nothing to do with you. Or Alejandro Betts.
162 Rob the argentine (#) Nov 22nd, 2012 - 03:01 am Report abuse
So many nonsense. Falkland belongs to the islanders, PERIOD. They can do whatever they want with their islands and their future, they will decide next January. Anything else are just empty words and nonsense.
163 Troy Tempest (#) Nov 22nd, 2012 - 04:13 am Report abuse
Thank you, Rob
164 Doveoverdover (#) Nov 22nd, 2012 - 06:46 am Report abuse
@162 Talking about guidance, the Referendum release stated that following the Public Consultation period, the question was to be be formally adopted by Executive Council on 21st November. As you didn't seem bothered about that either, was it adopted unchanged?
165 toooldtodieyoung (#) Nov 22nd, 2012 - 07:28 am Report abuse
144 Nostrolldamus The 2nd

“the Security Council being exhibit A on how a rotten, utterly debauched institution takes on the traits of the individual members”

Isn't Argentina sitting on the security council.........??? LOL

150 Nostrolldamus The 2nd

They are a country ully dependent and bought by London (as any Commonwealth country more or less is by default)

.....and Canada??? Canada is a commonwealth nation. Is that “ully dependent and bought by London” ?????

139 Nostrolldamus The 2nd

That's fine. Falklands (with help) stand up to Argetnina.

Argentina (alone) stands up against the World (EU, USA, China, Mercosur, et al)

Both have balls, we have more guts (no help).

We know you have more guts...... most of them were spilt all over the falklands when we had to help you lot home back in 1982. It was a bit like the police, helping an old drunk find his way home after a night night out..... you know, a buit of shouting, a bit of lame fighting, pausing every now then to be sick....... best thing to do is try and sleep off the hangover...............
166 Musky (#) Nov 22nd, 2012 - 09:09 am Report abuse
@154 Nostrels.
Don't embarrass yourself with your lack of commonwealth knowledge. Here's a small sample of countries from c0mmonwealth:

India 1.2 Billion
Malawi-15.5 million
Nigeria -154million
south Africa - 50 million

so, once again, don't talk rubbish.
167 Monty69 (#) Nov 22nd, 2012 - 09:55 am Report abuse
165 Doveoverdover

Did I say I wasn't bothered by the referendum question? The last thing I posted about it was that I hadn't decided.
Since then I have been to a public meeting and said what I thought.
I don't know what has been decided about the referendum question as I don't listen to the radio.
168 M's Bulldog (#) Nov 22nd, 2012 - 11:05 am Report abuse
@159 ProRG_American
You are NOT an American. You are an imposter and in fact are Argentinian. You love the States and hope to live there one day.
You think American's hate British and you have an infatuation with a specific anti-Brit American, and as a result of reading his books you have since convinced yourself that every American hates the British.

You are in fact a very, very young boy who needs to grow up.
169 toooldtodieyoung (#) Nov 22nd, 2012 - 11:56 am Report abuse
162 Rob the argentine

Yes, Thank you rob

150 Nostrolldamus The 2nd

You've gone a bit quiet, arn't you going to answer Musky or me?
170 Tabutos (#) Nov 22nd, 2012 - 02:21 pm Report abuse
@130 i suppose that's just a difference between our cultures. you strike and create public disorder, we generally in public shrug our shoulders and get on with what needs to be done

or it could be see as perhaps if your governance was actually as bad as Argentina's we might be the same, lucky for us are interest rate is not anywhere near 20% dependent on if you believe governments or not lol
171 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Nov 22nd, 2012 - 04:23 pm Report abuse
Why was Zimbabwe kicked out of the Commonwealth?

Thank you for your responses.
172 Monty69 (#) Nov 22nd, 2012 - 04:44 pm Report abuse
171 Nostrolldamus The 2nd

Zimbabwe was not 'kicked out of the Commonwealth'; it withdrew voluntarily.
173 Simon68 (#) Nov 22nd, 2012 - 04:44 pm Report abuse
171 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#)
Nov 22nd, 2012 - 04:23 pm

I think you'll find that Zimbabwe was not “kicked out of the Commonwealth”, it was suspended for not complying with the Harare Declaration and later unilaterally decided to leave the Commonwealth.
174 toooldtodieyoung (#) Nov 22nd, 2012 - 08:32 pm Report abuse
171 Nostrolldamus The 2nd

Now that Simon68 has answered YOUR question, arn't you going to answer Musky or me?
175 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Nov 22nd, 2012 - 08:53 pm Report abuse


We believe that international peace and order, global economic development and the rule of international law are essential to the security and prosperity of mankind

We believe in the liberty of the individual under the law, in equal rights for all citizens regardless of gender, race, colour, creed or political belief, and in the individual's inalienable right to participate by means of free and democratic political processes in framing the society in which he or she lives

We recognise racial prejudice and intolerance as a dangerous sickness and a threat to healthy development, and racial discrimination as an unmitigated evil

We oppose all forms of racial oppression, and we are committed to the principles of human dignity and equality

We recognise the importance and urgency of economic and social development to satisfy the basic needs and aspirations of the vast majority of the peoples of the world, and seek the progressive removal of the wide disparities in living standards amongst our members

Did not the UK violate the very first provision in their “preemptive” invasion of Iraq?

Yes they did. No UN resolution sanctioned the invasion of Iraq, and centuries of common law indicated that the attack of a nation that did not attack you first is in fact an act of agression and against basic human societal and international conventions.

Was the UK “suspended” from the Commonwealth when it clearly violated this core principle of the Harare Convention?

Double-standards much? Or perhaps, the UK in fact runs the whole thing and wasn't about to suspend itself (and none of the other countries had the power or the GUTS to motion suspension).

Rest my case.
176 Anbar (#) Nov 22nd, 2012 - 09:04 pm Report abuse
“Rest my case.”

I wouldnt if I were you... its not very strong.

(and you did kinda FU the Zim issue by saying they were kicked out...so.. you know....)

Although, on the plus side, Zimbabwe's Government makes Argentina's look superb ;-)
177 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Nov 22nd, 2012 - 09:21 pm Report abuse

Prevaricate and quibble and cavil, but the fact is, a preemptive war is completely against the first clause of the Harare statement.

The UK should have been clearly suspended, it wasn't. Proof that the other nations are too meek and are not equal partners in this entity.
178 expat (#) Nov 22nd, 2012 - 09:30 pm Report abuse
the problem with the Nostraildamus is the problem with many argentines,they have an enormous inferiority complex regarding Europe an USA,.they want to be accepted as equqls but they are not accepted as such.
If you look at the hospitals,state schools,state universities in Buenos Aires,they are in a deplorable state ,if it rains twoo drops in the city
half of BA is underwater,and without electricity,the pensioned people survive thanks to the help of family or neighbours, it is very sad to see a country which was once the 5th country in the world
to be a ppor third world country.I know that mr,.Nestroilamus agrees with this but he wont accept it .
179 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Nov 22nd, 2012 - 09:38 pm Report abuse
I'm not from Buenos Aires so I can vouch for what you say, except that I'm sure that half of Buenos Aires not having electric power is probably another of your opium woolgatherings that run rampant amongst the anti-argies.
180 expat (#) Nov 23rd, 2012 - 12:29 am Report abuse
With reference to 179 Nostrolldamus , maybe you havent read the newspapers last week,clarin,la nacion or the kirchnerist tiempo argentino,pagina 13 .all mention the chaotic situation of the city of BA when it rains,as I see it Argentina is becoming an decadent country
where everything deteriorates,and comparing with the neighbours
Brazil,Uruguay and Chile it is getting poorer.
Even in sport where agentina was a leader ,now in Hockey,Football it is second to european countries,in Rugby it is fourth in the southern hemisphere after Australia,NZ and SA, it is very sad to see how the country isloosing its prestige
181 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Nov 23rd, 2012 - 01:28 am Report abuse
And England was a leader when, in hockey, football, rugby, and basketball??

Who's the world's best football player? The world's best female hockey player? Latin America's best basketballer ever? the best tennis players in Latin America (and better than most of Europe ex. Switzerland and Croatia?)

And in Rugby, nice try with your “spin” (actually very bad). Argentina has always been “4th” in the Southern Hemisphere... yet in our 1st Four Nations we weren't blown out by 40 points a game as it was predicted in fact in all but two games the game was up for grabs aganinst NZ in Wellington, OZ in Australia and against SA in Mendoza.

Speaking of which, Mendoza is boombing and never been better really, so no, I don't see all the decadence you mention.

I could use your same “spin” about the UK or any EU or North American country, but I've done that for months to piss people off here and I'm getting bored with it. Don't try me though.
182 inthegutter (#) Nov 23rd, 2012 - 08:13 am Report abuse
#181 There is no English grassroots Basketball or Hockey, they're non sports in the UK. Though despite this we wiped the floor with your mens Hockey team at the Olympics (as we did in virtually every sport).

As for Tennis, a Brit is ranked 3rd in the world (after Serb and Swiss, note: Serbs are not the same as Croats), while an Argentine is at 7th.

Rugby: we won the World cup in 2003 and were second in 2007, not too bad.

Football: England progressed further at the WC in 2002, equal in 2006, and fell one level below in 2010. This hardly suggests Argentina is objectively is any better than England recently.
183 briton (#) Nov 23rd, 2012 - 12:01 pm Report abuse
Always changing the subject,
They know they have lost it,
Full stop , period , end of, terminus , brick wall , ect ect .
184 LEPRecon (#) Nov 23rd, 2012 - 03:17 pm Report abuse
@181- tobias

You're always saying that Argentina isn't interested in sports! Remember all your bleating over the Olympics?

Oh, so now in a (very) desperate attempt to divert the thread, you start spouting nonsense.

Never mind. Soon sport will be all the Argentine people have to take their minds off the state of the countries economy.

But in the case of the Decolonisation committee, well it's days are numbered, just like Argentina's erroneous claims to the Falkland Islands.

In March 2013, the Falkland Islands, will have achieved one of the preferred outcomes as stated by the UN decolonisation committee. The FIG will ask to be removed. If the decolonisation committee refuse to remove them, then the UK will take a motion to the UNGA asking for the committee to be censured or disbanded for NOT acting in a neutral fashion, and NOT abiding by its own charter.

Anyway you look at it, Argentina's spurious claims are FINISHED.

But that could be a good thing. Instead of always looking with envy on someone else's property, you could make something of your own country.

Get rid of the institutionalised corruption. Make arrangements with the international community to pay back your debts, and STICK to those agreements. In other words, show some good faith, and people will respond in kind.

Then the international community will be more likely to actually invest in Argentina. Help you develop your own natural resources. The Argentine government can then use the revenue to improve Argentina's infrastructure, schools, hospitals etc.

They will encourage foreign businesses to set up shop in Argentina, creating jobs, which creates consumer confidence, which helps the economy.

I know for Argentina, such things sound radical, but they seem to work for just about every country on the planet. Give it whirl, what have you got to lose?
185 Doveoverdover (#) Nov 23rd, 2012 - 03:27 pm Report abuse
@167 Thank you for your kind and accurate response. You did indeed say you were undecided. My apology is sincere, although not without risk of more accusations of a lack of manliness from the lower decks, from within the ranks or even from the online spokesman of the FCO (see 184).

Anyway, Friday 23 November is now drawing to a close and still no word about the wording has been broadcast across cyber space, even though Ms B is back from Belfast. I was looking forward to a fresh news item for the weekend but seems not to be on the cards. I don't suppose you have an update you might like to share about the final wording of the Referendum (or trigger for the demise of the C24, if you prefer)?
186 yensere (#) Nov 23rd, 2012 - 07:38 pm Report abuse
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187 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Nov 23rd, 2012 - 07:57 pm Report abuse
“Give it whirl, what have you got to lose?”

Our sovereingty, which would then be officially exercised from Washington, Madrid, Beijing, Brasilia, Paris, London, Rome, Berlin, Santiago, and Montevideo.
188 brits are farts (#) Nov 23rd, 2012 - 08:19 pm
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189 LEPRecon (#) Nov 23rd, 2012 - 08:43 pm Report abuse
@187 - Tobias

So every country in the world that uses this type of model from China, to Austrailia, USA, UK, Japan, South Korea, South Africa, Brazil, Chile, India etc. have lost their Soveignty have they?

What a foolish and short sighted thing to say. So you are completely against improving the lives of Argentine citizens, all of them, not just a select few cronies and hangers on?

You are against improving Argentina's infrastructure to make roads and railways safer to use? You are against building new hospitals and schools are you?

You are against creating jobs for Argentine people are you?

So the only way, in your opinion, for Argentina to keep its sovereignty is to isolate itself from the world, and the people of Argentina to live the life of peasants, never able to improve their lot in life?

Well, I think all the people of Argentina will rejoice that you aren't President. You make CFK sound sane.
190 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Nov 23rd, 2012 - 08:54 pm Report abuse
Those countries you list were treated fairly, or in fact break the laws but because no one dares stand up to them like we do, get away with it.

Capitalism is now allowed to work in Argentina. When we gave it a shot in the 1990s, the Europeans and Americans came and split the pie into “monopolies” with no competition: the spanish grabed the banks, the French the water, the Italians the phones, the Germans the mass transit, the Americans the oil, the Brazilians the slaughterhouses, the Chileans the shopping strips.

There was no competition because they all made a grand pact to institute monopolies.

They then charged the world's highest water rates, the 2nd most expensive gasoline in the world, the highest phone rates in the world, and if you believe the Big Mac index Buenos Aires was one of the most expensive cities in the world, more than New York and London, for food.

On top of the world's highest utility rates, they adjusted fees according to USA or European inflation, not Argentine inflation.

You may not believe it, but in the 1999-2002 period Argentina had negative inflation, deflation, because of the dollar peg and the recession. The foreigners still adjusted prices by their countries' inflation (2-4% depending). Add that to the 1-2% deflation at home, and the rates increased 5-7% a year even as the economy was in a major recession.

We remember all that.

No mas.
191 DanyBerger (#) Nov 24th, 2012 - 07:37 am Report abuse

Very funny you are mate, while you claim to pull out of EU and Isolation for Britain, a country so dependent on foreign food, raw materials, oil, commodities, etc as a good thing you claim the complete opposite for Argentina.

Is not that very silly?

Here a simple example...

If the world refuse to trade with Britain in a month she collapses is that simple.

On the other hand if the world refuse to trade with a country like Argentina, she will grow as ever before.

That is the advantage of having a large and rich territory with a good educated workforce.

So like in India I guess that Argies will have to hang from their feet some parasites sepoys. That will be a good start... any juggested name to be the first?
192 LEPRecon (#) Nov 24th, 2012 - 09:02 am Report abuse
@191 - Dany

I have never claimed that, you just made it up. I do want a referendum, because I think the public should have the right to chose for themselves.

If being in the EU is so beneficial, let the pro-Europeans explain why, and persuade the people to vote to remain in.

I also think the EU structure should be reorganised to curb the power of the bigg nations and give more power to the smaller nations.

But even if Britain left the EU tomorrow, they would still trade with us, I mean why wouldn't they? A customer is a customer after all, if they have the money to pay, why not?

In fact the UK has very good relations with most countries on the planet, I mean we treat others with respect, and don't throw our teddies in the corner and start falsely accusing countries of human rights violations when things don't go our way (unlike Argentina). In fact at the moment, Britain is considered the MOST influential country on the planet.


Your post was a bit silly now wasn't it, and completely made up and full of wishful thinking.

As for the world not trading with Argentina, that is close to becoming real, isn't it? Yes I'm sure Argentina could be self sufficient food wise (assuming the weather starts behaving) but you would be totally at the mercy of the elements. That's why trade is so important. By the way, Dany, would the people of Argentina be happy to go without all the luxuries that they are used? I know that people don't need them to live, but people want them, and wouldn't be happy if they couldn't buy that phone, or those video games or that designer gear.

Oh and Dany, do you now what a sepoy is? You obviously don't or you wouldn't have made such a comment.

As for parasites being strung up, what about the biggest one in Argentina - your President?
193 Pete Bog (#) Nov 24th, 2012 - 12:25 pm Report abuse
“Argentina, she will grow as ever before.”

Your shale oil fields, devoid of foreign investment, don't seem to have got started , let alone grown.
194 shb (#) Nov 24th, 2012 - 01:04 pm Report abuse
@191 - Of course the UK would collpase in a month or so if we were totally cut off from the rest of the world.

But it isn't going to happen.

Even if we leave the EU - we would still be trading with them and there are other ways that we cooperate with our fellow European countries - such as NATO, the ESA etc. We would still cooperate with regards to crime and security etc.

I share LEPRecon's view - wer should be given a vote. My personal view is that the EU should not be a federal European state - and I am vehmently opposed to it in its present form. I want the UK to leave ASAP. For us it is poor value for money - we are a net contributor and it wants more and more of our cash. It is anti democratic in many ways - if you vote to oppose an EU move you get told to vote again and again until you give the “right” answer - which is to give the EU more power.

If your country was isolated, you too would suffer. Where else would you find suckers to give you loans you could default on? Your economy is already suffering, you would be in real trouble if no one wanted your goods or provided you with services, despite what you think.
195 DanyBerger (#) Nov 25th, 2012 - 08:55 am Report abuse

1-You are posting BS as always, your so influential country as you say (Britain) cannot influence much in EU, not either in SA, China, Russia, even former colonies have voted against UK influential power.
Not even can influence over Eucuador to take Assange out of their embassy. Ha ha

You could not be even able to dock any ship in SA if Brazil or Argentina desire so despite what morons says.

2-Don’t you say that a customer is customer and if he/she has the money to pay...why not?

Which of Argentina’s customers have stopped to buy from her?

Don’t bother not even Spain could cut Argentina off from the Bio Diesel business in its own territory.

3-About what luxuries you talking about? British food and high tech made in UK perhaps?. Oh! I forgot that you don’t produce anything valuable since the ’70.

“if they couldn't buy that phone”

4-Cell phones, PCs, communication devices, flat LCD screen TV, 3d printer machines, software, Arms, satellites, etc, etc. are made in Argentina. And in the next year 2013 Argentina will become one of the few countries in the world that can launch it own satellites to space like US, Russia, Japan, China, France and India. en.mercopress.com/2010/08/16/argentina-developing-satellite-launcher-ready-by-2013-in-puerto-belgarno


@ shb

You have no clue about what are you talking about, Argentina have been isolated before like in the ’80 not even an imported screw you could buy on those days.

Its easy to make collapse a country like UK if you can isolated it from world trade but so easy for a country like US, Canada, Brazil, Argentina, etc. in fact will suffer you more in the process. Food will quadruple the price to start with...

Now lets see the following situation that scares your politicians on these days.

US in recession and EU in financial crisis will make Britain collapse because they are your main trade partners.

I guess that no need to even isolate you...
196 LEPRecon (#) Nov 25th, 2012 - 12:20 pm Report abuse
@195 - Dany

Sure, Dany, keep telling yourself that Argentina has influence. You haven't, your incompetent government has destroyed Argentina's reputation on the international stage, and even you supposed allies wouldn't trust Argentina with a ten foot barge poll.

No one listens when Argentina speaks.

As for Brazil, well the UK and Brazil have very good relations. We are building ships for them, we have good trade relations with them, which are increasing all the time.

The same is true of Chile, very good relations, and increasing trade. The difference, Dany, is that Argentina boasts about how it has made deals etc. when they actually haven't signed on the dotted line. Invariably, because of your governments illegal seizure of Repsol, no country or buisness is foolish enough to put any money into Argentina.

On the other hand, Britain does quiet diplomacy. We talk to governments, show them the respect that they deserve, and don't screech about matters on the international stage. The British government don't make announcements on deals and trade agreements until everything is signed and sealed.

Argentina is teetering on the brink of yet another financial collapse. Soon you will have to rely on the good will of your neighbours. Yet your government continues to p!ss off those neighbours, because they have the complete inability to have humility and show respect for anyone.

The EU and the US will still be going long after your country has defaulted.

It's getting close. Ghana still has the Libertad, the ILOST will make a decision whether to accept the case or not on Thur or Fri of this week. The IMF will decide whether or not to censure Argentina on 17 Dec this year, they probably will as your government continues to lie.

Once denied access to international financial assistance, your president will sell Argentina to Venezula, and you'll lose your sovereignty.

Good luck with that.
197 Conqueror (#) Nov 25th, 2012 - 05:00 pm Report abuse
@139 Really? Shall we list the countries that assisted you in '82? Soviet Union, Israel, France, Peru, Libya, Brazil. But then, according to numbers of your compatriots, the whole international community is on your side against the nasty Brits. And, of course, the whole of South America. And the UN. Is that why your manky slag and her bumboys spend so much time running round the world telling anyone who will listen how hard done by you are? Couldn't you get La Campora to issue you all with the same song sheet?
@147 Why did you sign up? Why does your mama keep running there? Why don't you leave?
@150 Prove it!
@175 Again, really? Where in the Harare Declaration does it say that pre-emptive war is not allowed. Saddam Hussein threatened the peace and security of the Middle East, as witness his invasion of Kuwait, his chemical attacks on the Kurds et al. Moreover, he had failed to comply with conditions under which we stopped the previous war. That may not suit you, but that's the way it was. When you encounter a mad dog, you shoot it. And, in the end, his own people condemned him!
@187 You are a joke! LEPRecon suggests that you use some maturity and you immediately see that as an attack on your “sovereignty”. Shall we make a list of all the people whose sovereignty you've attacked or intended to attack?
@191 Curiously, very few places have ever refused to trade with Britain. Even your mercosur is desperate to do so. However, when your economy and currency is in the toilet and people remember that you don't pay your debts, where will you be then?
@192 Totally agreed re the EU. We've been “alone” before. And I don't mean 1939-45. I mean from 1577 onwards.
@194 Also agreed. Mustn't forget that the UK's so-called trade with the EU is a lie. The statistics depend on the Antwerp/Rotterdam Effect. British exports that move via the European container ports to their final destination are counted as exports to the EU. Even if their destination is, for example, Chile.
198 Pete Bog (#) Nov 25th, 2012 - 09:09 pm Report abuse
“Argentina will become one of the few countries in the world that can launch it own satellites to space”
Britains first satellite was launched in the 1960s using a Black Arrow (totally British).

Argentina is at least 40 years behind.

If you are so advanced where is your equivalent of the Eurofighter Typhoon?
This aircraft was preceded by the BAe EAP which flew in 1986 when you were putting the finishing touches on your basic jet trainer- the 'Pamper' which would make the UK forces laugh to death if it managed to reach the Falkland Islands.
199 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 12:59 am Report abuse

“We talk to governments, show them the respect that they deserve”

And with this galactic diamond of a line you have destroyed forever any scintilla of credibility with me.

The UK has been the most disrespectful country in the history of the planet perhaps... Or did your “empire” come about out of the good hearts of the subjugated?

This white-washing of history is beyong laughable, it is embarrassing for the ones hearing this gem, let alone for you.
200 Troy Tempest (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 07:13 am Report abuse
@196 LEPRecon

Britain has great relations with Chile, and Chile respects the Falklands status in the South Atlantic.


Check out the gentleman at 1:15 unfurling his flag. A common sentiment, I'm sure.
201 DanyBerger (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 07:58 am Report abuse

Well seems you have all sorted out, so you just has to call Dilma and ask her to stop trading with Argentina.

@Pete Bog

1-Argentina since 1960 have been launching rockets to the space and was the 3er country in the world to put a living thing in orbit in the space (Monkey) after US and France but that is not the case because we are talking about 2013 and not the prehistory.

The black arrow program was cancelled in 1971 and since then were no investment in the area.

And UK is far behind in aerospace research today compared with Argentina because UK has stopped all programs and now relays on 3er parties if they want to launch an egg to space.

Britain cannot launch even a rock to space today have you noted that?

All the manufacture sector after 30 years of neocon policies have been destroyed or moved abroad.

But you got nice banks in exchange the only sad thing is that you have to save them, but nothing is perfect you know.

2-Here we go again with your ferry tale about BaE and EUT, this was based on a German/ FMA collaborative design known as ACA (Avión Caza Argentino) and Dornier Gmbh and was called FMA SAIA 90.

And was planned to be manufactured in the ’80 The Argentina military Junta was at tah time facing economic problems and they were looking for partners and they offered to get into the project to McDonnell Douglas, Aeritalia-Aermacchi and Fairchild. They fail...

After the junta collapse all was stopped. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FMA_SAIA_90

After the deal collapsed with Argentina the German company could not get interest from the German govt. to invest in so they offered the project to private contractors and investors.

Also the Dassault/Dornier “Alpha Jet” is based on the collaborative FMA/Dornier Pampa design.

BTW BaE is not British anymore like BP because belongs to American, Italian, Canadian and other investment funds the last time I checked the shareholder composition of the company.
202 LEPRecon (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 01:07 pm Report abuse
@199 - Tobais (Nostril)

The British Empire ceased to EXIST more than half a century ago. Do try to keep up with the times.

Those former Empire countries now enjoy very good relationships with each other and with Britain. I know that this very idea that the UK is friends with all of these former Empire countries bursts your bubble about Britain being evil and oppressive.

But the UK show friendship and respect to our Commonwealth friends, and to EVERY other country on the planet. You do not have to be 'best' friends with someone to show them respect for their culture and way of life.

Argentina on the other hand, shows no one respect. This is what makes you really angry, isn't it Tobias? Other countries don't respect Argentina because your country owes them money, refuses to pay them back, and then lies and accuses them of human rights abuses.

In other words, your government is incapable of showing respect for anyone or anything, and will immediately screech on the world stage, lie about that country, and try to play the victim. It doesn't work Tobias, you'd've thought that would've filtered through to your lunatic government by now, wouldn't you?

@201 - Dany

As for calling Dilma and asking her to stop trading with Argentina, why would we want to do that? The UK has no problem with Argentina, except of course for your constant lying about the Falklands, but unlike Argentina, we are not petty.

Tell you what, why don't you get TMBOA to call her 'good' friend Dilma and demand that she stops trading with the UK? I'm sure that Brazil would just fall over in their rush to do CFKs bidding....NOT!!!

Argentina doesn't get diplomacy, instead your representatives act like petulant children who, when they don't get their own way, cry in the hopes that people will give you what you want.

Brazil is leaving Argentina far behind and becoming a major player on the world stage. Argentina, by comparision, is a mouse constantly squeeking and a nuisance to be ignored.
203 Gordo1 (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 01:30 pm Report abuse
@31 ”Argentines go to the USA, they excel. They go to Mexico, they excel (causing great jealousy amongst Mexicans, because even butt ugly argie chicks can get a modelling job there). Argentines go to Central America, they excel in the media and entertainment. Go to Colombia? Same. Go to Chile? More educated than 90% of chilean median education level. In Peru, they are the highest earners.

“The profile of the Argentine American population is generally similar to the overall U.S. population's. Among the key differences, however, is educational attainment. Argentine Americans exhibit a rate of 39.5% of holders of bachelor's, graduate, or professional degrees, contrasted with the 27.5% of the overall U.S. population. Argentine Americans had a median household income of $55,044. Again, this is higher than the national figure, which was $50, 740”

What utter nonsense! First of all, because of their arrogance and demeaning behaviour to their fellow Latin Americans Argentine citizens in other Latin American countries are mainly figures of derision/fun - known only as good footballers! The “data” mentioned above is as far from reality as is the Argentine claim to the Falkland Islands. I have lived in Colombia, Ecuador and Central America and Argentine nationals “brillan por su ausencia”!
204 Per Ardua (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 07:24 pm Report abuse
Dunny Burger,

Tell me more! I'd love to know how the Alpha-Jet (first flew 1973) was developed from the IA 63 Pampers (first flew 1984). Did Argentina also invent time-travel? I wouldn't be surprised if you also claimed that to be the case, given your other dribblings.
205 Conor J (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 10:27 pm Report abuse
Oh Danny you are an idiot aren't you?
206 Per Ardua (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 12:19 am Report abuse
@205 Quite. Did I read his gibberish right? Was he seriously saying that the Typhoon was based on the SAIA 90 rather than the BAe EAP?
207 DanyBerger (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 01:02 am Report abuse
MBB TKF-90 (Messerschmitt-Bölkow-Blohm Taktisches Kampf-Flugzeug 90)

208 Conor J (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 01:16 am Report abuse
Never could be built, never will be built. Here are some proper aircraft, you know ones that weren't the wet dreams of a murdering Junta. The plans of these aircraft weren't just limited to a cum rag: LOL
209 Per Ardua (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 02:22 am Report abuse
Dunny Burger,

The TKF-90 was not the same design as the SAIA 90. Neither design ever made it off the designer's drawing-board and neither became the Typhoon, though SOME elements of the TKF-90 (NOT the SAIA 90) were incoroporated into the Typhoon design, which was predominantly based on the EAP (which actually flew, unlike the TKF-90).

So, what does your dribbling about subjects you know nothing about have to do with the Falklands referendum?
210 DanyBerger (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 07:00 am Report abuse
Eurofighter Jagdflugzeug GmbH

Major shareholder EADS (46%) is former DASA (Daimler-Benz Aerospace AG) with the acquisition and merge of several companies that includes MBB, Dornier, AEG, Aérospatiale-Matra, CASA, Chrysler, etc, etc.


“From TKF, through EAP to Typhoon, the delta/canard configuration has been a constant.”

Now can you see the citation of the TKF (Taktisches Kampf-Flugzeug 90) as the base design used for Eurofighter Typhoon?
211 capt.poppy cabron (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 04:03 pm Report abuse
#200 troy tender tits
never mind what i said. i am a cabron
212 Per Ardua (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 04:32 pm Report abuse
ACA/EAP was not derived from TKF, you blithering loon. ACA (which became EAP) was developed in parallel to TKF. The two projects came together to form Typhoon, but Typhoon was 75% EAP, which (and I will repeat it again for the hard of thinking) A-C-T-U-A-L-L-Y F-L-E-W unlike TKF.
213 Doveoverdover (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 06:23 pm Report abuse
If there's anything worse than a RBL bar bore it's a RAFA bar bore.
214 Per Ardua (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 06:45 pm Report abuse
But nowhere near as bad as a fake Brit/RN officer who has never seen an RBL bar in his life (unless it's the one in Buenos Aires), trying badly to support his Malvinista mates who started this round of wild, bollocks claims...

Come on Dunny, you've had long enough to Google a bad answer: I'm interested in your claim that the Alpha-Jet was developed from the IA 63.
215 Doveoverdover (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 09:41 pm Report abuse
@214 Congratulations, discharging both barrels of bore in one short post without any trace of irony. How very junior service.
216 Per Ardua (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 10:33 pm Report abuse
How ironic of you to accuse someone else of being a bore, not to mention being 'junior service' to someone who has never served a day in UK Armed Forces. Pants on fire, Fake Squid?
217 Doveoverdover (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 10:57 pm Report abuse
Brain racing too fast for your fingers, ground hugging Crab?
218 Per Ardua (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 11:05 pm Report abuse
So you're trying to tell us that you really ARE a tedious old borderline traitor who gives comfort and succour to the enemy? They must love you at the RNA.
219 British_Kirchnerist (#) Nov 28th, 2012 - 12:08 am Report abuse
What a lovely picture of Cristina =)
220 Conor J (#) Nov 28th, 2012 - 01:22 am Report abuse
Danny what are you on? You know nothing of aviation or design. Here is the aircraft that became the Eurofighter: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Aerospace_EAP
221 Per Ardua (#) Nov 28th, 2012 - 01:57 am Report abuse
What picture of Christina? All I can see is some half-deflated old rubber sex doll with badly-painted panda eyes. I thought it was an advert for Ann Summers.
222 Conor J (#) Nov 28th, 2012 - 03:19 am Report abuse
And how can you claim that, that nonsense crappy rendering of a crappy Argentine non jet gave the shape of the typhoons delta wing/canards?
Are you forgetting all these aircraft that came before or were developed at the same time? Here are i'll use wiki leaks as they are simple for an idiot like you to understand.
Atlas Cheetah
Avro Vulcan - strategic bomber
Buran Space Shuttle
British Aerospace EAP
Chengdu J-7 - a Chinese development of MiG-21
Chengdu J-10
Convair B-58 Hustler
Convair F-102 Delta Dagger
Convair F-106 Delta Dart
Dassault Mirage III
Dassault Mirage IV
Dassault Mirage 2000
Dassault Rafale
Eurofighter Typhoon
Gloster Javelin - subsonic fighter
HAL Tejas
IAI Kfir
Lockheed SR-71 Blackbird
McDonnell Douglas A-4 Skyhawk - a “tailed” delta wing aircraft
Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-21 “Fishbed” - a “tailed” delta wing fighter
Saab 35 Draken
Saab 37 Viggen
Saab JAS 39 Gripen
Shenyang J-8
Space Shuttle Orbiter
Sukhoi Su-9 “Fishpot”
Sukhoi Su-11 “Fishpot”
Sukhoi Su-15 “Flagon” - early models
Tupolev Tu-144
Helwan HA-300

Research or prototype-only examples
Avro 707 (1949)
Avro Canada CF-105 Arrow
Boeing X-32
Boulton Paul P.111 (1949) - research to investigate tailess deltas
Boulton Paul P.120 (1952) - developed from P.111
Chengdu J-9
Chengdu J-20
Convair F2Y Sea Dart - unique seaplane fighter
Convair XF-92
Convair XFY - one of the few propeller-driven delta wing aircraft
Dyke Delta - another of the few propeller-driven double delta wing aircraft
Fairey Delta 1 (1951) - transonic delta research
Fairey Delta 2 (1954) - 1st aircraft to break 1,000 mph, rebuilt as BAC 211 for high speed delta research for Concorde
Handley Page HP.115 - low-speed delta research for Concorde
Myasishchev M-50
North American XB-70 Valkyrie
Short SC.1 - first British VTOL aircraft
Sukhoi T-4 / 100 Sotka

Do you notice something? The crappy FMA SAIA 90 does bot appear on the list. I wonder why? Once again you are shown to be a fool.
223 DanyBerger (#) Nov 28th, 2012 - 09:11 am Report abuse
@Conor J

“wiki leaks”?

Is wikipedia idiot!

That demonstrator was also build with the assistance of MBB and Aeritalia.

Based on the German design TKF-90.

Who seem to don’t understand is you mate. You have a design concept like an Ipad by Apple then the Chinese made something similar, change the position of some buttons, the thing does similar things and they named Eurofighter Typhoon with assistance of Apple.

And you then want to convince people that this is a Chinese design concept?
Do you get the idea?

All previous work of BAE was based on V/STOL concept (AST-403) for replacement of the HS Harriers and Jaguars. The project was dropped because Germany, France and Italy didn’t want to join in.

Then France went on her own and end up with Rafale and the rest with EuroFighter TKF-90 concept design.

Then what are you going to tell me that F35 is a BaE concept design too?
224 Per Ardua (#) Nov 28th, 2012 - 03:44 pm Report abuse
Dunny Burger,

Yeah, you keep believing that TKF was the sole design for the Typhoon. Keep fighting the power, brother. You really should get someone with a better comprehension of English to read those articles for you. Tell me Aviation Expert, did they design the TKF from the IA 63 as well as the Alpha Jet?
225 Conor J (#) Nov 28th, 2012 - 07:11 pm Report abuse
Oh god you are a retard, I Wiki links. I have no idea what you are on about, but the Eurofighter most certainly not derived form the fighter that you keep banging on about that was never built. Please go away as conversation with your poor level of English skills is most tiring. F-35 a BAE concept? Well sort of, the original blue print design is by Lockheed but with the project now being a multinational designed and developed one, it has become more diverse. Around 25-30% of the overall design elements are from BAE. Oh and did you look at the links I provided you? Heres another one: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Aerospace_EAP

This is the true origin of the Eurofighter.
226 DanyBerger (#) Nov 29th, 2012 - 07:01 am Report abuse
@ Per Ardua & Conor J

You are more idiots than I thought.

Do you understand the sentence above or do you need help?

Now you Conor are you telling me that the F35 is a BAE design and it is not coming from the “Lockheed Martin JSF design” team?

Is that what are you trying to tell me? Because your English sucks and may be you understand all wrong. Is that the case little ignorant?

So according with your logic the MD AV-8B is a complete design made by Boeing?

Because for me still looks like an old Harrier with some improvements. What do you think?


Like that works your little heads?

What we are talking about is what was the basic concept that provided the base to lead to the Eurofighter.

Like if we were talking abut what was the base design used by MD to make its AV-8B.

SYL bobos
227 Per Ardua (#) Nov 29th, 2012 - 07:17 am Report abuse
He didn't say that, fucknuts. Deflection, deflection, deflection.

As I said earlier, which is also stated in every link you've posted, the TKF design was ONE contrbutor to a joint design, some details of which made it into the BAe EAP demonstrator, along with a shitload of features from the earlier BAe designs (5 of them), plus Italian and French contributions. The TKF was not Typhoon Mk 1 and it was never built, unlike the EAP. To come full-circle, it had absolutely fuck-all to do with the SAIA-90 aircraft, which is what you claimed in the first place, before you started frantically googling for half-arsed and barely-understood 'facts' and links to support your nonsense.

Tell me again, Aviation Expert: How was the Alpha-Jet based on the design of the IA63. This was yet another one of your expert facts earlier, but you've gone strangely quiet on the subject.
228 DanyBerger (#) Nov 29th, 2012 - 08:11 am Report abuse
@Per Ardua
“F-35 a BAE concept? Well sort of”

I guess you are not English, am I right?

I don't give a shiiiit about your links from wiki says.

And you would know how BAE works they use what its called collaborative approach so most o whatever they do comes from other partners in US, Germany, Italy, Korea, etc, etc.

That is the reason why UK cannot get part for replacement for their jets in time and has to Cannibalise other jets to get parts for replacement.
229 Per Ardua (#) Nov 29th, 2012 - 02:51 pm Report abuse
Big deal. Shit sensationalist reporting on a non-story. Twas ever thus when operations started. Spares are rarely delivere quickly enough, in the right place and in sufficient quantities at the point of delivery. Sopwith Camels and Spitfires were cannibalised to keep others flying in high-tempo operations and the same still holds true for modern aircraft. If you had an air force worth speaking of (or if you actually knew something about the subject, or served in the air force - negative on both counts), you'd know that.
230 Doveoverdover (#) Nov 29th, 2012 - 03:14 pm Report abuse
Ah Biggles, still boring for Britain I see. I can just picture your hand movements in my mind's eye. You know, that affectation that JTechs in MT Squadrons like you copy from real airmen.

Don't bother answering but do please carry on here as long as you like. This item has run out of steam so I'm unticking that box below.
231 Per Ardua (#) Nov 29th, 2012 - 04:40 pm Report abuse
MT Squadrons? No such thing, Fake RN-bloke. But what would an Argentine know about such things anyway?
232 Conor J (#) Nov 29th, 2012 - 05:38 pm Report abuse
Oh you are a funny one Berger. I never said that the F35 was a completely BAE design. I merely pointed out that it has become a multinational-NATO designed fighter. As for the rest of your poorly written garbage I direct you to Mr Per Ardua. You keep deflecting the question because you have lost the argument. The TKF and the SAIA-90 have nothing to do with the Eurofighter.
233 Doveoverdover (#) Nov 29th, 2012 - 07:06 pm Report abuse
Oh, I'm so glad I popped back to see if you had anything interesting to say. Lo and behold for once you do.

You can imagine, serving Queen and Country full time for 37 years get's you around and about a bit. Unpleasant people in tedious places are a professional risk you just have to take in your stride. So it was that one day late in my career I revisited an RAF Station not very far from the A1. Don't ask me to name it - that would only prompt the stupid question “what was the name of the pub outside the gate” (Universal answer - there isn't one). Suffice to say, it was the home of an RAF MT Squadron that hadn't been there when I last visited.

So to the point. MT Squadrons? No such thing, eh? I have proof there is at least one. Proof enough that you are either a Walt or you are extremely ignorant. Actually, I think there is evidence (not proof) that you are both.

Now if you still have any yourself, kindly back off from any further public questioning of my integrity.
234 Troy Tempest (#) Nov 29th, 2012 - 10:36 pm Report abuse
@233 Dame Dover

“MT Squadrons? No such thing, eh? I have proof there is at least one”

Panto Queen - it's all fine to say, “I have proof”, but you had better post it. You're convincing nobody !!

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