Major national strike in Argentina with pickets to implement the measure
Argentina’s three main organized labour groupings, and in opposition to Argentine president Cristina Fernandez, have called for a national strike on Tuesday which counts with the support of several tens of camp and city organizations plus hundreds of pickets in the main cities ‘to ensure there is no activity’.
The demonstration which is expected to have a huge response comes almost two weeks after 8N when hundreds of thousands of Argentines all over the country took to the streets, convened by the social networks, shocking the administration of President Cristina Fernandez and surprising the rest of the political establishment which never expected such a massive, almost spontaneous turnout.
On Tuesday the pickets, according to the three organizations, will have the duty to ensure the compliance with the national strike and are expected to cause havoc in the transport system and even in domestic flight airports.
The protest is to demand a higher starting income taxing floor and smaller rates for workers’ families; an increase in child and family allowance and making the government cancel the social security debt with the unions, a sum estimated in 2.5bn dollars, according to the latest release from the National Auditing Office.
CTA’s umbrella union leader Pablo Micheli told reporters that “pickets have always existed”, and added, “So I recommend that those who still want to go to work tomorrow, better do it before the roadblocks start.”
“If there’s a national strike, it should be understood as what it is: a strike. So please understand that we can’t just stay at home saying how bad things are going, we have to do something, we have to claim for our rights.”
Likewise, Micheli, who planned the strike along with the CGT Labour Confederation led by Hugo Moyano and will also count with the support of the Blue&White CGT umbrella union headed by Luis Barrionuevo of the Restaurant workers’ union, and the Argentine Agrarian Federation, remembered that there are “many unions that totally agree with our claims but instead their leaders spend their time visiting government’s officials
“Pickets are not a matter of life or death; it’s never happened. We haven’t been involved in acts of violence, at least in strikes we have organized”, added Micheli.
Urban transport allegedly is not joining the strike but trouble is expected, and likewise with the underground very much limited in the area it tours. Air commercial traffic has been suspended.
Teamster boss and head of the dissident CGT, Hugo Moyano forecasted that “tomorrow we are going to see a ‘strong, effective national strike’ against the government and “we hope it is the most effective possible”.
Likewise the leader of the Corriente Clasista y Combativa (CCC) left-wing political group, Juan Carlos Alderete, assured that on Tuesday’s national strike “there will be 160 pickets across the country in response to the government's abuse against workers.“
Likewise, Alderete said that “at least 16 pickets or roadblocks will be held in Greater Buenos Aires suburb areas.”
In conversations with a radio station, the picketer justified the strike, stating that “it hurts to see how the government mistreats and punishes workers and how it lies to us.”
“It hurts to see how the inflation hits on us all. How the health and education systems are deteriorating. So, be aware that tomorrow’s strike is not only because of salary claims but for the most urgent needs.
“The only thing the government has done is permanently disqualify workers and this causes lot of anger within in the labour movement” Alderete said and added: “The labour movement has to be at the service of the workers and neither to a government nor employers”.
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Ol' Turkey Neck / KFC / TMBOA / The Harpy better get Tango 1 fuelled up and ready to leave..... If there was anyone to fuel it up........ or fly it........ or if there was anyone in air traffic control.......
Is it me or does anyone else think that she is not as popular as she once was????????
“I'm not convinced Moyano is any more credible or laudable than CFK. Their goal should be to get rid of CFK and implement prudent government - not just make demands that will worsen the situation.”
Good point, Idle.
It's actually a bit disappointing.
She really needs to go - she has no solutions...
I fear that it won't happen until there is violent protest.
Will the Peronists try to control and intimidate with gangs of 'Faithful' thugs ??
Privts-Hunter, this sounds tailor-made for a fanatic like you. C'mon, you 100% love CFK, you despise the People, wade in there !!
Oh, oh, I forgot - you have your excuses, you will be more effective typing or shoplifting for the cause - in Canada!!
CFK will be very disappointed in you - she needs every minion right now. :-(
CFK must go,
With all her cronies all in tow,
Hey Ho, Hey Ho Hey Ho,
“Cat got your tongue Mark Alexander?”
Wasn't he that berk that got lost in Lafonia (in a Rover, not on foot) and needed the police to find him because he couldn't map read?If it is him, I'm not suprised his posts are aload of crap.
I'm not, please dont speak for me when Im not a xenophobe, thanks.
that does not mean i dont wish the worst for argentina as a country while they have the govt they have and i believe its mutual with arg posters towards F.I and UK through past posts.
On another note, the streets are quieter with the cuts; nice....
Psst....nope
December should be fun to watch
In other news, gustbury works hard at attempting to string TWO sentences together for his next post.
CFK is probably heavily medicated today
Isn't there another protest scheduled December 8th?
These can't go on for very much longer before there is blood in the streets
@14
He is a union leader, what do you expect?
CFK vs the Unions is like Dumber vs Dumb. It doesn't matter who wins it is all part of the Argie real life soap opera - they love it really and that is the important thing.
Don't know, might be. December 7th is the day the government strangles the media here.
14 gustbury (#) Nov 20th, 2012 - 12:51 pm Report abuse
Moyano is a charlatan and stupid guy!
15 Raven (#) Nov 20th, 2012 - 01:02 pm Report abuse
Thanks gustbury for that insightful and well reasoned argument
It would make my day if this spiraled out of control...
I haven't seen that, but I haven't been downtown today. I not sure why La Campora would be doing that now, it's still morning.
The soap opera continues. Argentina is not alone in having a populist leader who promiss everything. The country needs wise governance
The people cannot see this
Si, lloro por ti Argentina
All they need is some blood in the streets
and She'll be on a plane to Venezuela
Things could turn very nasty on the streets before she relinquishes her position. She certainly will not go willingly, unless there are just so many insurmountable problems that are about to topple her anyway, in which she'll invoke the 'Due to my health and love for my country, I intend to stand down' speech.
More worrying would be who would replace her. As Ozgood has said, wise governance is needed. Will Argentina get it when CFK finally leaves?
It's guaranteed she will go to Venezuala. With the money she has screwed out of Hugo for Argentine IMF debt, she must be one hell of a high class courtesan.
“Twitter posts saying that La Campora etc are trashing business in downtown BA.”
Now, near Casa Rosada, twitter posters report “short dark shaggy” men using large keyboards to attack strikers and intimidate CLARIN journalists.
BTW I saw Skyfall and I am pretty sure THINK looks like the Javier Bardem character swishy, dyed blond hair, terrible accent absolutely cringe worthy.
movies.yahoo.com/blogs/movie-talk/javier-bardem-skyfall-best-bond-villain-ever-181233179.html
Other than that the country will sink further and further behind the rest of the world.
I disagree. What they need is a Maggie Thatcher, who didn't care about being popular, she cared about getting the country out of the financial hole it was in.
She was brutal and dictatorial, but she was also honest and cared more about the country and its people than she did about being popular.
That'll go down well here. Telling them they need a Margaret Thatcher to save them.....again!
Transport and services affected by national strike
National strike affects transport into the City
Banks closed amid strike
Union leaders say strike 'successful across the country'
Rosario grains int'l port closed due to strike
But there's one that's particularly funny:
CFK calls all workers 'to defend the Kirchnerite political project'
Why funny? She says “This is why I like to call all my fellow-workers to show some conscious and responsibility..............“
”Fellow-workers”. I'll bet that had them rolling in the streets!
Skyfall ?? - that's their Air Force. :-)
Yes, no Trolls - either they are both on the streets or only Gustbury lives close enough to Casa Rosada to get to work.
They are conspicuous in their absence, just like last time.
Robots are being re-programmed to give consistent responses...
Toby used to show up at 10am on the dot and for gosh sakes Guzz posted 24hrs a day!
And how many Rg, english speaking, nordic background retourandos are there in that country. Seems like it is teeming with them. hahaha
www.buenosairesherald.com/article/117388/its-a-political-picket-and-not-a-workers-strike-government-says
I bet the plan leaving for Venezuela will be pretty full when time comes!
TLV
I would love to know the real story ... one day.
Meanwhile, Skyfall - yes, really enjoyed it and yes, the odious villain is very Think-like LOL
I love that they stayed in UK and showed off the country.
Nov 20th, 2012 - 03:39 pm
Yuo are absolutely right, Idle, we are between a rock and a hard place as our North American friends would say.
If CFK takes it on the lam, we will inherit Amado Boudou, aka The Money Printer.
As far as corruption goes, I think that we're better off with CFK for the moment, it is far better for her to finish her mandate and let the electorate define our next “President”. Unfortunately it will probably be another peronist, Scioli or De la Sota, it would be far better if our electorate decided on Cobos who is very middle of the road, or Binner who is left wing, but not a fanatic!!!!!
Indeed, they can't be compared. One is strikes/riots so large they threaten to remove the president (arg), utter abject poverty, massive double digit inflation. The other is the eventual possibility of losing position as #1 and world reserve currency, lol
Why all the....
Followed by: and....
Do they think we use osmaosis to understand one another?
Even TT is at it now, it must be catching! ;o)
Back to the topic. It seems to me that just about everything is, at last, failing in AG if what we see here is anything to go by.
Shame for the people with brains but there are so many brainless idiots in the country you have to wonder if even St. Margaret could have tackled it.
Greg Palast is British, or was.
Kinda bitter - we think he is the same person as 'Domeoverintheclover' the miserable rascal.
Years of growing up in Canada - you think the Argentinians are lazy??
You really do despise your former people, don't you!?
Argentina has been going downhill ever since CFK started to run it on her own
“pot banging will not build roads, pick up garbage or build a better Argentina, I know what pot banging does, it will bring Argentina back to 2001 situation or like Venezuela 2003”
Maybe it will not, but than neither is the Thief of Buenos Aires. Perhaps the bigger protest just before Xmas and after the 17 showdown.....asslips kirchner will be boarding tango one....oh wait.....is it back from the USA yet? Or still on hold waiting for parts (payment) over a technical issue?
Are you a menem, Videla or galtiery fanatic?
I think CFK is the best president Argentina had in 40 years, can you dispute that? Or can you mention the name of an alternative candidate for president in Argentina? When you have one let us know because threats and blackmail don't work with honest people.
www.gregpalast.com/the-globalizer-who-came-in-from-the-cold/
LOL on SOOO many levels. I can tell you're bothered by the unfolding reality ;D . And make more worthless Argie pesos? What's the point? Working under Cristina is counterproductive.
Get ready for a LOT more strikes, ProRG retard! You better learn to love the collapse of Argentina, because that's exactly what's happening.
May god curse your mother and destroy your house. You, shoe, you son of a shoe, you shall be hit with 60 shoes until your ass is red like a monkey’s. You are a bearded clam of the hairy check book variety.
All of us with brown skin take offence at the n-word. You are a filthy racist low life ho.
Drink some more gin and tell us about your Peruvian papi again.
@51
LOL, you are a little worm. I earn more in a week that you do in a year. You sound so jealous and desperate it makes me laugh. Go get your food ticket now, skinny little waif.
and you are not sussie us
One thing is for certain: we can laugh a lot at it
“”“All the Brits here are homos.”“”
1. prefix: from the greek homos, it means “the same”.
All the Brits here are the same...
hmm....
O...K.....
“Homos”, an alternate spelling for hommus or hummus, a Levantine Arab food dip or spread made from chickpeas
“All the Brits here are food dip made from chickpeas....”
O....K....
Partly. Making car salesman become rice importers and wine cooperatives to sell shoes is madness.
”Even TT is at it now, it must be catching! ;o)“
Oops, I suppose I had better rectify that. I don't want you confusing ”TT“ with ”TTT “ :-(
On another note, I was at two demonstrations in downtown Vancouver this weekend.
A peaceful Pro-Islam gathering by the Art Gallery, the usual spot for such things. There was also a very small demonstration calling for an end to ”Israeli attacks on Palestine“ and I saw two printed signs demanding ”self-determination” for Palestine.
The Canadian Ministry for Multiculturalism set up a small tent next door, handing out brochures and pins.
All nice and peaceful like.
Perhaps Argentina could use this as an example.
The 'people', workers and middle classes could ask for their own Self-determination.
Not sure if it would be a good idea for La Campora to hand out brochures though. ... (for you, Chris)
Honestly, i cannot wait to her out of office.
As much as i highly despise moyano, there is no other way but to keep pushing.
LOLs :o)
And Israel will stop bombing Palestine when Hamas stops launching rockets, not that difficult. The charter of Hamas calls for the destruction of Israel and murder of all Israelis..........you won't read anything like that in Israel's charter.
When was the last time you saw a Jew get up and say his way was the ONLY way, and everyone else should die? Or the last time Israel had public executions for blaspheming, or public stonings for adultery?
Some Muslims are peaceful, sure, but unfortunately that religion has a system of power gaps, that extremists tend to always seize and then force all other believes into their extremist ways by threat of violence.
Islam is THE most dangerous ideology in the world today!
Send me your email address I have a specail link for you
So I don’t like homos, just a matter of preference really. I am not homophobic, how can I be when I am bisexual. I just don’t like the effeminate pansy gays.
mastershakejb (#)
Your ignorance and jealousy are palpable.
I invite all Argentine to gather in front of UK and Us embassy and light up a Von fire as the the men in benghqzy did last month, help CFK build a better Argentina and stop licking the boots of the english retards who can see an Argentine woman like CFK works harders and has more cojones then all men in Argentia combined, we love you CFK keep up the good work and don't listen to the lazy pot bangers., CFK is the best president Argentina had in 40 years and I invite everyone to dispute that by naming a better candidate for Argentina, but chances are as usual the english will insult me and no even one name will ever be mentioned that 's how I know CFK will stay in power for a lot longer then anyone can predict, pot banging will not build roads, pick up garbage or build a better Argentina, I know what pot banging does, it will bring Argentina back to 2001 situation or like Venezuela 2003, maybe this pot banging Argentine really do deserve someone like menem, galtiery or videla. www.gregpalast.com/the-globalizer-who-came-in-from-the-cold/
Yes, mysteriously disappeared, but those forces are very discerning.
Poppy, PH - ALEX is so lazy - everything come out of the “Boys Big Book of Campora”, but paid La Campora feel he is a liability and ask him not to post.
I think your IRA is safe. :-)
He seems very sensitive about racial slurs towards brown people and got very angry at “Sussie”. I don't blame him.
However, the funny thing is, we the critics of CFK , and “The Trolls”(paid trolls) all think that PH-ALEX and Sussie are alike. Both are ranting nutcases and treated as such.
BTW,
Any update on the protests? Any idea if they are calling for CFK's head.
Have the 'real' (not ALEX) La Campora shown up ???
It was happening a lot just before Guzz disappeared and the site was closed for comments.
@47 CFK is counter-productive. And what would argies (wrigglies) know about “work”? More holidays than anywhere else in the world.
@50 At what point in time did you learn anything about “honest people”? I only know of one honest Argentine. He calls himself “Simon68”. There may be others that come on here but are ashamed to mention their nationality. You, of course, are up there with CFK, Tinpotman, PutridJelly, ArguJello, VoodooBoodoo, Florence the Randy glove puppet, Alicia VON Kirchner, Herman the Merman, Julio the Lacking, Carlos the Tomato as totally DISHONEST. We know about their corrupt, thieving ways. How about yours?
@53 Oh look. Alex has got upset. Alex, of course, has forgotten, conveniently, that argieland is racist. It's in their constitution. Is that why he fled to a British-originated nation? Are they the only ones that would take him? Do they know he's there? Do we think he should be careful of using that word “earn”. Wonder if his “employer” knows about his internet use?
@55 Tell us, alex. Why do you wear your hair so long? Can I see mascara and eye-shadow on your pic? Have you tried washing? In a worst case, you could always roll in the snow.
@63 Really? Could you pop over to Toronto and put alex out of his misery?
@64 Watch for the idiot names and comments. That's her.
@69 Run out of ideas, have you? Re-posting? Tell you what, alex. Why don't you swallow your dick? You'd like that.
I invite all Argentine to gather in front of UK and Us embassy and light up a Von fire as the the men in benghqzy did last month, help CFK build a better Argentina and stop licking the boots of the english retards who can see an Argentine woman like CFK works harders and has more cojones then all men in Argentia combined, we love you CFK keep up the good work and don't listen to the lazy pot bangers., CFK is the best president Argentina had in 40 years and I invite everyone to dispute that by naming a better candidate for Argentina, but chances are as usual the english will insult me and no even one name will ever be mentioned that 's how I know CFK will stay in power for a lot longer then anyone can predict, pot banging will not build roads, pick up garbage or build a better Argentina, I know what pot banging does, it will bring Argentina back to 2001 situation or like Venezuela 2003, maybe this pot banging Argentine really do deserve someone like menem, galtiery or videla.
www.gregpalast.com/the-globalizer-who-came-in-from-the-cold/
I assure you we don’t pay a single penny for PH’s patent infantile drivel. He is beyond the La Campora pale. He can’t even decide if he is bisexual or not.
Sussie (aka ProRG, agentscrewed , etc) is a British imposter trying to defame Argentina. It is the lowest of all posters and roundly rebuked by all sides. All its comments should be ignored.
We know exactly who you are and which usernames you use. We downloaded the server files which have been passed to an enforcer to follow up on.
Follow up involves prosecution outside of the standard legal framework. Your termination has begun.
I think people need to get over their sensitives of there skin color. We went through a period where we had to deal with reverse descrimination because of the racism of the past. You tend to hear the ”white mans' world comments when in fact, the Chinese rule as the majority. There is in fact only 3 type of homo sapiens on earth from a anthrologic POV......a caucasoid, a mongoloid and a negroid. And each od these have sub races. So you really are either black, asian and everything else.
Agent999
Guzz seemed to have totally disapeared. Maybe la campora offed !....lol That was weird when all comments stopped. I compalined a number of times because they were referring everyone to facebook.....a very easily traceble source from commentors.
I never left you, I am omnipresent.
Release my coattails you unworthy groupie.
I didn't hear ANYTHING. :-)
@86Tobias
“I assure you we don’t pay a single penny for PH’s patent infantile drivel. He is beyond the La Campora pale. He can’t even decide if he is bisexual or not.”
And I assure you, Tobias, I believe it. We agree on that, at least.
- personally, I don't think he understands half of what he reads at the Campora Juvenil site he has posted on Facebook.
- besides we know he can't leave Canada, makes excuses, has no idea about travel, and apart from literally wrapping himself in the Argentine flag in photos, he is more Canadian now.
He went to high school in Canada, and lives in Canada - no way is Argentina going to send dollars out of RG for him LOL
However, sexually confused “Sussie” is very much like PH ALEX, but lives in BA. One of yours for sure, though tragically, looks like the 'electro-shock conditioning' failed. :-(
Just like Jesus Christ has many impostors claiming to be his 2nd coming, you are just that for TTT. When (if) he ever returns, everyone will immediately be able to tell. But I'm not fully converted to Tobianism so go ask the many other worshippers about the 2nd coming of TTT.
there's quite a few like that on here.... /random platitude BK, the Think-Gestalt (at least they are amusing though, and rarely descend into drooling nonsense...well, mostly....
Our most recent influx of new-name idiocy does appear to be Guzz again I'm afraid. :-(
“You are not the real Tobias/TTT, he is in the Pantheon of the Empyreal Demiurges.”
So was the “imposter” TTT/Tobias spreading misinformation, then, PH ALEX really IS La Campora, after all???
Shut down trekkie and await further instructions.
“No one can come up with at least one candidate? I rest my case CFK is the best, keep banging pots maybe one will materialize.”
Hey dummy, somebody already suggested Moyano.
I think my cat could do better than CFK.
In a few short years CFK has run your previously recovering country into the ground, just to line her pockets.
Unless she grants you some kind of kinky geriatric sexual favours, I don't know why you support her.
Please tell us all why CFK is best - or don't you know??
I have seen, lived and learned and am wiser and humbler for it.
Let my movements not concern you trekkie.
either way you are brit-ist and a homophobic argie in dire need to be dominated by a gnarley brit with his big weapon in his hand just like 1982 :)
ever tried animals?
Protests and strikes are becoming more frequent:
September 13, then November 8, then November 27.
It seems likely to me (just from reading the news; never been to South America)
that CFK will last for at most a few more months before she is kicked out. What's your take?
Are there some clear favorites who may become the president if she is brought down?
You mentioned some names above; which ones have better chances?
Thanks!
Studies show that -authoritarianism -can take ppl from a more natural 'middle' of affection/sense expression and push them up up up the Kinsey scale.
IMHO, Noone has to worry about becoming 'faggy', as you said, if they start following their own heart & stop having their lives be driven by the boring lesser good of 'following or rebelling at' some authority.
In nature, (unlike confined, aka -authoritarian- labs) there's no animals with exclusive orientation towards it's own gender, but playfulness & love- universal.
It is not ONE person pressuring her to change but millions.
And they are certainly NOT the leaders that Peron wanted. He liked his union leaders well indoctrinated and doing as they were told by him.
The reference to Evita is somewhat desperate, don't you think?
What she fails to realise is that it is one thing to subsidise football, stand next to pictures of Evita and shout about the mythical Malvinas when people think their lives are improving. But people are genuinely worried about insecurity, their shrinking wages and loss of freedom. They tide has turned and they are not going to listen to her distractions.
Since 2003 the Kirchner couple has jumped from AR$ 7 million to AR$ 89 million - an increase of 1 271 percent in 9 years, and of course all of it come from the most honest theft one can imagine.
“El crecimiento de los bienes de los Kirchner: de 7 a 89 millones de pesos” www.lanacion.com.ar/1525583-el-crecimiento-de-los-bienes-de-los-kirchner-de-7-a-89-millones-de-pesos
CFK should tell em the truth,
their broke , skint ,
still as long as she keep hugo happy.?
Nov 21st, 2012 - 12:18 am
The very best thing for Argentina would be that CFK finish her mandate in 2015, but would listen to what the great majority of the populace is asking her: To tackle inflation; to stop her personal vendetta against the independent press; to tackle the increasing insecurity; to speak out against the re-re-election; to stop trying to take over the federal judiciary.
As to who could be a presidential candidate, my personal choice would be Julio Cobos, but I seriously doubt that he would be elected. So the real favourites would probably be the peronists, Scioli (present governor of Buenos Aires Province) or De la Sota (present governor of Córdoba Province) or possibly, if the electorate prefer the left wing, Hermes Binner who for a left winger is probably the right choice as he is not a fanatic and certainly is an honest man!!!!
rt.com/news/argentina-mass-protest-strike-212/
Fill your boots leaving comments.
Russians commenting on a strike (they have no such rights in Russia), is a funny as Latin Americans complaining about Argentina's poverty, or as funny as Europeans complaining about Argentina's debt, or as funny as Americans complaining about armed violence in Argentina.
It is completely obvious that the rest of the world has not a gram of self-shame. Thank goodness I'm argentine, the only people with a shred of decency left on this orb.
It's clear you didn't acually read the article.
I don't read the foreign press. Is a joke.
NB You are right though - Russia Today is a joke - and very funny too.
The USA has never had actual “press”. What passes for newspapers there are a joke. And their news cable channels are either to the right of Attila or to the left of Pol Pot.
The media in the rest of the world is not worth discussing.
Argentine media, newspapers, and tv channels are fare superior.
The “proper” UK press are The Guardian, The Telegraph,The Times and The Independent.
You may be right in the above comment about what the best thing would be, but it
won't happen as far as I can see. It's more practical to think about likely rather than
desired outcomes. I looked very briefly at some of the names you mentioned.
Cobos seems great, Binner less so. Binner's block voted to support expropriating 51% of
YPF from Repsol:
www.taringa.net/posts/noticias/14575618/Binner-apoyara-la-expropiacion-de-YPF.html
This is not sound economic thinking. I would have to look into his economic program
and more into his party's voting record (will be hampered by lack of english language sources, but might manage with google translate).
From a very brief glance it seems like the best chance for your country would be to elect UCR. Within UCR, is Cobos the obvious top choice?
Nov 21st, 2012 - 04:44 pm
Cobos is MY top choice, I would hope that all supporters of the UCR would have that same opinion, but unfortunately I think they will probably select Ricardo Alfonsín as their preffered candidate.
As you say my hopes that CFK remains in office for the whole of her mandate are quite possibly wishful thinking, but the alternative which is either impeaching her, which would not succede, or her resigning would mean putting up with Amado Boudou (investigated for influence peddling and other corrupt practices) as her replacement, IMHO this would be even worse than CFK!!!!
123 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#)
Thanks for feedback!
Amado Boudou indeed is hardly attractive:
www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/15/amado-boudou-illegal-enrichment_n_1516966.html
If CFK is forced out, wouldn't Boudou be kicked out as well? If you look at previous instances of a president forced out of the office before his term expired, was it always that the vice-president got the job?
Does Ricardo Alfonsin have any credentials (a record as a competent politician) other than being the son of Raul Alfonsin? CFK perfectly exemplifies how dangerous is to select a president based solely on family ties.
she is gone forever
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