Argentina organizing major diplomatic Falklands “anti-referendum” campaign
Argentina has started a major diplomatic campaign in an attempt to deny success to the Falkland Islands March referendum on its nationals’ political status, fearing the negative international repercussions for its sovereignty claims over the disputed Islands.
The basic thrust, according to reports in the Buenos Aires press will be to display in international forums and in all Argentine diplomatic sees a direct message on the ‘illegitimacy” of the referendum organized by the Falklands’ government and in which the locals will decide whether to remain as a British Overseas Territory, based on their right to self-determination.
Concerned about the international repercussions of the referendum, Foreign minister Hector Timerman has summoned Ambassador Alicia Castro from London to elaborate an ‘anti-referendum’ strategy. The main target: a propaganda campaign in the UK to try and convince British political personalities or outstanding names from attending the Falklands as observers of the March referendum, and thus reaffirming the legitimacy and transparency of the event.
A second effort, again according to the Buenos Aires media, is that Timerman has instructed two top diplomats to make a tour of the Caribbean and Africa to inform of the “legitimate rights” of Argentina over the Malvinas Islands and on the ‘inconvenience’ of sending observers to the referendum. The places chosen for the round of visits intend to target Commonwealth members or those with close links with the UK.
The dissuasive strategy of the Argentine government also includes sending a release which has already reached several Argentine embassies overseas and instructing diplomats to alert the political leaders of those countries on the ‘illegitimacy’ of the referendum.
Argentina has also taken notice of the more active approach of the UK towards Latin America, the most recent the reopening of the embassy in El Salvador with the attendance of Foreign Office minister Hugo Swire.
In his speech Minister Swire said “the Foreign Secretary (William Hague) and I continue to work to increase our engagement with Latin America. We have been away too long and this much-overdue Embassy signals just how serious we are about expanding in the region”.
“The decision to re-open an Embassy in El Salvador was made in May 2011. This followed a shift in UK policy on Latin America, summed up by the Foreign Secretary William Hague’s 2010 Canning House speech where he said that the UK had not devoted enough attention to the region; the countries of the region have a growing role in international affairs”.
Another matter of concern for Argentina diplomacy are the visits of journalists from the Americas and the Caribbean which take back the Falklands’ point of view on the sovereignty dispute as well as the recent round of media contacts and interviews in several Latinamerican countries, US and Canada, by members from the Legislative Assembly.
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As for the Argie fear of a democratic referendum it is expected, all that remains to see is how stupid the various targets of this latest Argie silliness are.
In a situation where a referendum is taking place, anybody saying (before the referendum has even taken place) anything that suggests the referendum is “Illegitimate” is shooting itself in the foot.
Shooting itself in the foot is, however, a staple diet of the current Argentine Government.
Sofa King clever I would say you even bought a sauna Babech, from the Babech camily themselves.
Here's the sales pitch..........................“no man, you do not want to go and observe the Falklands vote, it is sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo far away and will beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee and inconvenience.”
I think they play Monopoly as a training tool for world politics.
“Sounds like Argentina are worried.”
More like...
Looks like Argentina is desperate.
Yes, this is pretty desperate, particularly following Ban ki-moons comments a few weeks ago about self-determination.
Argentina has to, too all intents and purposes, tell people that they dont believe in the UNs position regarding self-determination...or dance around it to such an extent that any statement is pathetically weak.
Argentina would be much better off saying & doing nothing at all.... the way they are going they will generate far more attention FOR the referendum than the Islanders could themselves.
overall: dumb move bought about by desperation.
CFKs government is pretty desperate at the moment though.... too many self-inflicted wounds.
It's ok, just let them run around and chase their tails......... I doubt any sane politican will even give a second thought to the Argentinan's throwing a tantrum about the on the ‘illegitimacy” of the referendum organized by the Falklands’ government............
The very fact that they are doing this shows what a morally bankrupt government they are.
...........................what a bunch of clowns.............
You are right that no one is going to take this campaign seriously, especially following Ban Ki Moon's statement and the fact that it is orchestrated by a bailiff-dodging, corrupt, mentally-ill CFKC.
I await CFk's latest project with interest. Effectively telling UN they are wrong about self determination (a core principal of the UN)
Yup - that is EXACTLY what it is, and its desperate in every way.
It's so obvious I doubt many Argentinians will even be that interested in it... (other than the paid supporters and hard-core peronists)
..........and those “legitimate rights” would be what? does ANYONE know what these ”legitimate rights” are?
..............anyone?? anyone???
For argentina this is serious times and serious times call for serious people. The people really need to revolt, the timing is getting really close for it. The camel's back is about to snap.
Good luck with that one,unless you can rope in George (pussy cat)Galloway
I don't think a republic is on the agenda my devious friend, but I'm glad to see you are getting the name of the place right.
Argentina are going to a marvellous job whipping up world attention for us ahead of the vote, fear and desparation are very unattractive qualities - show them to the world.
Why on earth would anybody want to remove Argentina form the G20?
I dont see the connection?
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“”“Its about time the UN and the IMF sorted out Argentina. It is becoming a dodgy state. Corruption and anti democracy.”“”
The UN and IMF need to sort themselves out first of all. After which they can start berating others, until then they should keep their mouths shut (just as should CFK)
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“””Good luck with that one,unless you can rope in George (pussy cat)Galloway“”“”“
They will always find some corrupt or crazy ”famous personage” to support their cause, regardless of cause, there's always somebody who need 15 seconds of fame to prevent their ego fading from the public's short term memory.
Sean who....?
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn
What's the odds that wherever the Argentinian bells-whistles-shouting-and-complete-lack-of-an-arguement dog and pony show rolls into town, there'll have been a softly spoken, polite ambassador having visited shortly before with a dangerous load of facts, international agreements, good past relations and paid debts?
I apologise, my response was made to the post that miraculously dissapeared
Exactly what can Argentina do to effect this referendum.
Send her navy to stop it
Send her air force to stop it
Send her army to stop it
Demand South America declares war on the Falklands to stop the referendum.
Come on guys be fair he her, its not her fault [as an ex asylum inmate]she was picked as leader,
She is looking for that great victory in the sky.
So
What can she /they / them do
Allow us to help them.
Nothing , nothing , nothing , nothing, nothing ,
Any advance on nothing [nope, not nothing]
You can carry on laughing now,
Chuckle chuckle.
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and
”Even Mrs KirkPatrick ( The American ambassador ), who could ill conceal her pro-Argentine sympathies, later used the the incident to compare British diplomacy with American “amateurism””
That got Resolution 502 passed through the security council WITHIN 48 HOURS with a two thirds majority.
Laughing boy Timerman and his cronies are, to be frank, p*ssing in the wind........ this “anti-referendum” campaign has got a snall-balls hope in hell of working.
Actually it was 10 votes to 1 (against - Panama) with 4 abstentions and no vetos.
The penny has finally dropped, they have realised they are not winning this “battle for hearts and minds” in the international community.
The significance and importance of this referendum has just become apparent to them, and the response is, they raise its profile further still.
Absolutely brilliant counter strategy if you’re an Islander, crass stupidity if you’re the Argy gov trying to minimise its impact.
Deliberately avoiding the point that the referendum is designed to show the world “what the Islanders want”, Argentina will be arguing they “don’t have the right to choose”, never mind what Ban-Ki Moon says.
No prizes for guessing who is going to win that argument, in the modern world.
Last throw of the dice for Argentina.
Probably get their aircraft impounded by “vulture funds” when they land in the countries they are trying to persuade against the referendum.
The Tin man and the Botox Queen are no doubt hunkered down in the bunker awaiting their impending demise.
LOL
As its only fair that Argentina should be consulted first, in advance.
So they say..
And they wonder why the world laughs .
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My apologies, I stand corrected.
The book I am reading quoted two thirds majority but I am quite happy to bow to your more accurate information.
Therefore what right has Argentina to deny the population of the islands a similar act of self determination? None what so ever.
The rest of the world pay lip-service to Argentina - while really they would just like to roll their eyes back every time the subject is brought up.
and what about good UK news informed here in MP for their BOTS??
They want to know there was a student strike, that Britian is making water (floods) and that Germany is domianting them with their imposed rules and they cant agree in european congresses?? Just to see not so much biased information, disimulate a little.
Therefore what right has Argentina to deny the population of the islands a similar act of self determination? None what so ever. “”“”
None whatsoever....
the “problem” is that the Argentine Government doesnt seem to recognise this fact.
the Argentine Government is very good at not recognising either facts or history when it suits its need though.
(although that is true of pretty much all politicians and governments!)
I do hope they send the bold duo had such success in obtaining the release of the Libertad.
Argentina - “We Demend that you insist That The Falkland popultion have no right to human rights”
Rest of the world - “Give me back my money thief, and whats this we hear you are a dictatorship after all !!!”
S-E-L-F-------D-E-T-E-R-M-I-N-A-T-I-O-N, UN Charter.
la Junta otra vez
Keep fiddling.
SELF - DETERMINATION, cannot be silenced!
Thanks, Cristina, Timerman & al.!
Perhaps she will drop the call to arms for the Falklands now the Paraguay will undoubtedly be the “new” target of ”that is my land. I can see her claiming the underground........the reserves go well (well....lol) into Argentina.
I think Si Si Si might be the next one lol
We were and are mixed people, 6.000.000 of mixed against thousands of spaniards realistas.
Different it is your history, you have expelled the people and legal authorities of the isles as conquerors, transpalted your people, and are living in an usurpated land.
The geopolitical interests of UK are clear, and specially the selfdetermination a smokescreen since it is only used when it is convenient for them (Chagos for ex)
This should help the FIG even more in their excellent programme of information and education about the matter.
AG have forgotten a famous saying THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS BAD PUBLICITY.
I applaud your attempt to get British political personalities and outstanding names to back your viewpoint. May I respectfully suggest that a propaganda campaign may not be sufficient. I would recommend personal visits to the individuals in question. Brown envelopes stuffed with at least 100 US$100 bills would make a suitable “calling card”. This is particularly important as interfering in a political activity in a British territory could see their next “performance” being in front of a judge.
I am a little surprised at the intention to take a tour around the Caribbean and Africa. Bearing in mind that such states tend to have similar laws. Will the “top diplomats” be visiting Ghana?
Can I also take this opportunity to mention that, if you are going to interfere in another country's internal affairs, it might not necessarily be a good idea to tell them that you're going to do it. This is usually classified as rank stupidity.
LMFAO.
More 'distraction politics' from the muppets currently running Argentina, clearly design for the 'domestic' audience only.
Nobody else could possibly think up an “anti-referendum campaign”, and seriously expect other democracies to take the blindest bit of notice of them!!!!!
This is on a parr with Timerman's comedy show in the UN over the supposed “militarization” of the South Atlantic!!!!
Please, CFK, there are for more important things for you to concentrate on, such as insecurity on the streets, inflation, getting ARA Libertad freed, rising unemployment, decreasing GDP, impossibility of YPF exploiting Vaca Muerta due to lack of funds, etc.
Get it into your head, CFK, that niether you nor that oaf Timerman or the trolley dolly Castro have the faintest idea of how to manage international relations, so forget it, and concentrate on the domestic problems that mean something to us, the Argentine people!!!!!!!
FOGL stocks prizes have plunged and due to high extraction costs (something is being shared with other oil cos. exploring around the island) is thinking about abandoning this endeavour.
Cheers.
Their first well was positive in so far as good results as far as could be seen, but they need to drill from a different angle next time due to rock structure. Again it will now be a detailed seismic target area.
North of the Islands the Sealion development is fixed and starting to rool with enhanced design planning and some $5 billion investment over the next 10-15 years and first oil due to flow late 2017 after serious on site development works start late 2014.
No doubt development and exploration could be a bit cheaper with S.American port back up etc - but not much, as here the industry operates to top level North Sea Safety standards (insisted on by the Falklands Govt)- not US Gulf of mexico ones or whatever level yours are at?
Nov 27th, 2012 - 03:39 pm
“FOGL stocks prizes have plunged and due to high extraction costs...”
Interesting viewpoint, JIB, the share prices dropped 9.45% at this news, compare that with the drop of 45% in YPF shares!!!!!!!
So the Argentine Government is not going to try and discredit the Falklands referendum?
more rubbish with each post.
If Argentina is not involved [it illegal] when Argentina is involved as to US courts, [its still illegal]
Tell us CFK , when is something [legal] in your eyes,
When you steal them, perhaps.
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Stupid is as stupid does........also known as:
Argentina is as Argentina does.......same thing.
www.buenosairesherald.com/article/117937/falkland-oil-and-gas-loses-half-its-value-on-malvinas-disappointing-results
What Next?
Judge Greisas Ruling overturned by appeal?
ARA Libertad is freed from captivity?
Grain Prices Soar?
New Major oil discovery in patagonia?
World Bank says Argentina rduced its poverty by 50%?
World Bank says Argentine middle class the fastest growing in the region?
Argentina pays it's cooperative bond holders on time?
Cristina's chances for reelection suddenly skyrocket?
HOOOoooooo! Shrugging shoulders......It gives me chiiiils all over my body.
No private enterprise ver deserves to be taken over by any government. On top of that Argentina did not and has not compensate Repsol and that is the NUMBER ONE reason no oil company will partner, not because of the fear of being expropirated, the fear of being expropriated and not being compensated.
There is hope yet for some common sense on this forum.
But didn't you realise that Timmidman is holding up his finger to show carrot head what he has waiting for her when she gets off the plane in BsAs!
She was expecting something bigger than that after flying all that way.
It is a great campaign, it will show the world what a bunch of repressive, anti democratic idiots run argentina.
Even if they did steal the islands, the people there would just put up a pro-independence representative to vote for in the next election, vote for that person, then leave Argentina as is every land's right to do so. Either way, the argies are not getting the islands.
I think when the world sees just what they are campaigning against, they will once again be digging a bigger hole for themselves. It's almost hard to imagine the argentines making themselves look more stupid.......but they have a campaign in the works to remedy that.
Don't take all the fun away.
lts extremely funny to read some of the garbage that the Argtrolls post.
Unfortunately l think that a lot of them actually believe their lies.
But then theirs the ones that don't contribute anything, post the same accusations on each post. Spend 10 hours a day pressing the refreash button and responding to each post made that is not theres, with irrelevant rubbish. And thens theirs the ones that think thay have found the holy grail and celebrate by copying and pasting their posts in every single recent article, sometimes upto 3-4 times each article. They are the ones am targetting along with those that try to disguise their usernames to look similar to legitimate users as attempt to discredit said user! So its the above ones am, targetting as trolls.
FOGL stocks prizes have plunged and due to high extraction costs (something is being shared with other oil cos. exploring around the island) is thinking about abandoning this endeavour.“””
Going by family experience in Kazakhstan share prices are exceptionally volatile over the entire period of test drilling & exploration (even land-based) until a “rock-solid” well is drilled.. and remains volatile right up to extraction and commercial pumping.
From that its pretty obvious that the entire enterprise is high-risk, even more so given the location (South Atlantic) ..so the volatility of stock prices might not be the best means of judging the future (or even current) situation - they fluctuate so rapidly on the tiniest rumour.
Would it not be more surprising, and rather dubious, if all of these tests well came in with brilliant results all the time? Some of these drilling areas have to fail completely.
thats just one of the risks and why you need a lot of money and backing to risk it in any case.
/em shrugs
www.telam.com.ar/nota/45400/
Any reason why the old botox queen Hitler Kirchner had to hire a European Airline to rescue the crew from Ghana?? We know the old pensioner Alicia Castro helped bancrupt her former employer Aerolines Argentines due to steeling the duty free but what was Argentina affraid of by not sending one of it's own aircraft?? rather embarrasing I feel but that's the story of modern Argentina AN EMBARRASMENT the world over does not pay it's debts ranked 100 in the world corruption index suppresses freedonm of speach with it's press (ranked with some of the worst corrupt countrys in the world) they will be throwing people from militry aircraft next.
No the IMO doesn't say that. Your batty Ambassador says that.
You seem to not understand that Argentina WAIVED its immunity on sovereign assets, which includes anything owned by the sovereign state of Argentina, including military vessels.
That means you gave your immunity up, away, deleted it, it no longer exists! Comprende?
And yet instead of trying to save Argentina's economy, and reputation on the international stage, your government instead tries to bully and intimidate 3,000 people because you want to steal their land and property.
In fact, your government is so scared of the words “self-determination” that they have foolishly said that the people of the Falkland Islands don't enjoy the same human rights as the other 7 billion people on the planet.
Further, your government erroneously states that they are an implanted population, yet they are the ONLY native population the Islands have EVER had, unlike Argentina, who has a huge implanted population that continues to oppress and subdue, even starve out, the true and native inhabitants.
This makes your government and its representatives all big lying hypocritical imperialist colonial dead beats, who won't pay your debts like a decent and honourable country would do.
Then your government cries that the world is picking on you for being lying hypocritical imperialist colonial dead beats, the label you La Campora trolls, peronists and Kirchenists seem to wear like a badge of honour, whilst the decent citizens of your country despair.
ARGENTINA ALWAYS THE VICTIM
I think you have the incorrect spelling there.
Is it not DEADY CHAVEZ (well, almost).
LOLs
South Georgia News, October edition, now posted on the South Georgia website: www.sgisland.gs/index.php/Main_Page
evil edna too ;-)
I wonder why a jewish gentleman has aligned himself so closely to kirchnerism, a radicalised form of 'hitlerism', that includes having brown shirts terrorising shop owners and stealing the possessions of others, just like the nazis did. Maybe Hector Strawman is an adherent to a form of judaism that I am currently unaware of.
The whole thing is hilarious.
There are many good reasons why Commonwealth Caribbean countries should not support Argentina in this dispute with Britain. First, the inhabitants of the Falklands have determined that they are British and wish to remain so. They have rejected the notion of being Argentinian. The right of self-determination, enshrined in the Charter of the United Nations, is one that Commonwealth Caribbean countries have long upheld, and, indeed, is the basis on which each of them achieved their own political independence.
When Foreign Ministers of the 15-member countries of CARICOM and the Dominican Republic met Ministers of the British Government in January this year at the biennial UK-Caribbean Forum in Grenada, they collectively and rightly agreed: “To support the principle and the right to self-determination for all peoples, including the Falkland Islanders, recognising the historical importance of self-determination in the political development of the Caribbean, and its core status as an internationally agreed principle under the United Nations Charter”.
A second good reason not to support Argentina is that the facts of British settlement and sovereignty over the Falklands are well established. It is important to appreciate that an existing UN resolution on the Falklands does no more than call for negotiations to find a peaceful settlement to the dispute over sovereignty. Where the problem arises is: if both countries claim sovereignty why would either of them want to negotiate over what they consider to be their legitimate right? In any event, Britain has exercised sovereignty over the Falklands since 1765 and, properly, if Argentina disputes such sovereignty, it should take the matter to the International Court of Justice for arbitration. Argentina has declined to do so, while Britain has indicated its willingness on several occasions
I still cannot get over how she considers herself a successful lawyer and yet they seem complete incompetents when it comes to the law. They don't even know to keep their mouths shut and let the judges make their decisions. This 'successful' and 'victory' seem to mean significantly different things in argentina to what they mean outside it.
And where is that $530million she and nestor pocketed from the sale of YPF anyways?
...or he was summoned to the great Reichsparteitag in the sky.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkEMS7diuDc&playnext=1&list=PLu5J126w9WxpQX-o-LWcN-hMhoBGa-4fg&feature=results_main
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