Monday, November 26th 2012 - 18:46 UTC

Argentina organizing major diplomatic Falklands “anti-referendum” campaign

Argentina has started a major diplomatic campaign in an attempt to deny success to the Falkland Islands March referendum on its nationals’ political status, fearing the negative international repercussions for its sovereignty claims over the disputed Islands.

Minister Timerman summoned Ambassador Alicia Castro to organize the strategy to implement in the UK

The basic thrust, according to reports in the Buenos Aires press will be to display in international forums and in all Argentine diplomatic sees a direct message on the ‘illegitimacy” of the referendum organized by the Falklands’ government and in which the locals will decide whether to remain as a British Overseas Territory, based on their right to self-determination.

Concerned about the international repercussions of the referendum, Foreign minister Hector Timerman has summoned Ambassador Alicia Castro from London to elaborate an ‘anti-referendum’ strategy. The main target: a propaganda campaign in the UK to try and convince British political personalities or outstanding names from attending the Falklands as observers of the March referendum, and thus reaffirming the legitimacy and transparency of the event.

A second effort, again according to the Buenos Aires media, is that Timerman has instructed two top diplomats to make a tour of the Caribbean and Africa to inform of the “legitimate rights” of Argentina over the Malvinas Islands and on the ‘inconvenience’ of sending observers to the referendum. The places chosen for the round of visits intend to target Commonwealth members or those with close links with the UK.

The dissuasive strategy of the Argentine government also includes sending a release which has already reached several Argentine embassies overseas and instructing diplomats to alert the political leaders of those countries on the ‘illegitimacy’ of the referendum.

Argentina has also taken notice of the more active approach of the UK towards Latin America, the most recent the reopening of the embassy in El Salvador with the attendance of Foreign Office minister Hugo Swire.

In his speech Minister Swire said “the Foreign Secretary (William Hague) and I continue to work to increase our engagement with Latin America. We have been away too long and this much-overdue Embassy signals just how serious we are about expanding in the region”.

“The decision to re-open an Embassy in El Salvador was made in May 2011. This followed a shift in UK policy on Latin America, summed up by the Foreign Secretary William Hague’s 2010 Canning House speech where he said that the UK had not devoted enough attention to the region; the countries of the region have a growing role in international affairs”.

Another matter of concern for Argentina diplomacy are the visits of journalists from the Americas and the Caribbean which take back the Falklands’ point of view on the sovereignty dispute as well as the recent round of media contacts and interviews in several Latinamerican countries, US and Canada, by members from the Legislative Assembly.
 

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1 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 07:04 pm Report abuse
Argentina “has began”.

Toop ti loo, oo woo ho ho ra... toop ti loo, oo woo ha ha... awi ka, awi ka, mo too-too-ru-ru yoo hoo away!
2 Think (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 07:08 pm Report abuse
(1) Tobias

:-)))
3 Per Ardua (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 07:09 pm Report abuse
Talking to yourself is the first sign of insanity. Is a post from Doveoverdover also imminent?
4 J.A. Roberts (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 07:09 pm Report abuse
I can imagine Alicia “doors to manual” Casto will be by-passing Ghana on the African leg of her tour...
5 surfer (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 07:11 pm Report abuse
Three words 'Norfolk in chance'
6 jaydub (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 07:13 pm Report abuse
Sounds like Argentina are worried....
7 CJvR (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 07:14 pm Report abuse
You shouldn't be smoking that Nos!

As for the Argie fear of a democratic referendum it is expected, all that remains to see is how stupid the various targets of this latest Argie silliness are.
8 Anbar (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 07:15 pm Report abuse
Negativity Campaigns generally dont do that much good.... too many people question the motives.

In a situation where a referendum is taking place, anybody saying (before the referendum has even taken place) anything that suggests the referendum is “Illegitimate” is shooting itself in the foot.

Shooting itself in the foot is, however, a staple diet of the current Argentine Government.
9 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 07:16 pm Report abuse
@5

Sofa King clever I would say you even bought a sauna Babech, from the Babech camily themselves.
10 Captain Poppy (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 07:18 pm Report abuse
D.I.D. as serious case if ever there was one. Apparently argentina is scared shitless, amazing considering all the skit they shovel. World perception will finally catch them. World opinion will ultimately bury them.

Here's the sales pitch..........................“no man, you do not want to go and observe the Falklands vote, it is sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo far away and will beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee and inconvenience.”

I think they play Monopoly as a training tool for world politics.
11 Bongo (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 07:24 pm Report abuse
@6
“Sounds like Argentina are worried.”

More like...

Looks like Argentina is desperate.
12 Anbar (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 07:30 pm Report abuse
“”“Looks like Argentina is desperate.”“”

Yes, this is pretty desperate, particularly following Ban ki-moons comments a few weeks ago about self-determination.

Argentina has to, too all intents and purposes, tell people that they dont believe in the UNs position regarding self-determination...or dance around it to such an extent that any statement is pathetically weak.

Argentina would be much better off saying & doing nothing at all.... the way they are going they will generate far more attention FOR the referendum than the Islanders could themselves.

overall: dumb move bought about by desperation.

CFKs government is pretty desperate at the moment though.... too many self-inflicted wounds.
13 Chicureo (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 07:34 pm Report abuse
This propaganda is to take the focus away from the economy. Since her husband took control, the Argentine government has put on a show of economic success through smoke and mirrors. CFK's administration has been one huge disaster. Argentina has always had a great potential but is very poorly managed by the crooks that run the country.
14 toooldtodieyoung (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 07:35 pm Report abuse
11 Bongo

It's ok, just let them run around and chase their tails......... I doubt any sane politican will even give a second thought to the Argentinan's throwing a tantrum about the on the ‘illegitimacy” of the referendum organized by the Falklands’ government............

The very fact that they are doing this shows what a morally bankrupt government they are.

...........................what a bunch of clowns.............
15 ElaineB (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 07:51 pm Report abuse
But, of course, this is exactly where the government should be focusing time and Argentine people's money. On trying to make a fairy story come true. LOL!

You are right that no one is going to take this campaign seriously, especially following Ban Ki Moon's statement and the fact that it is orchestrated by a bailiff-dodging, corrupt, mentally-ill CFKC.
16 Captain Poppy (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 07:59 pm Report abuse
No one takes serious anything argentina's political machine does, unless you're Iranian, Syrian and Nigerian. I can hear that exhaled breath and the mumbling words....oh brother, does it never end.
17 Vulcanbomber (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 08:02 pm Report abuse
Its about time the UN and the IMF sorted out Argentina. It is becoming a dodgy state. Corruption and anti democracy.

I await CFk's latest project with interest. Effectively telling UN they are wrong about self determination (a core principal of the UN)
18 Anbar (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 08:18 pm Report abuse
“”“This propaganda is to take the focus away from the economy. ”“”

Yup - that is EXACTLY what it is, and its desperate in every way.

It's so obvious I doubt many Argentinians will even be that interested in it... (other than the paid supporters and hard-core peronists)
19 toooldtodieyoung (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 08:26 pm Report abuse
“Timerman has instructed two top diplomats to make a tour of the Caribbean and Africa to inform of the “legitimate rights” of Argentina over the Malvinas Islands”

..........and those “legitimate rights” would be what? does ANYONE know what these ”legitimate rights” are?

..............anyone?? anyone???
20 Captain Poppy (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 08:30 pm Report abuse
#18 I agree and in fact I think it's time that the G20 start the process to remove argentina as it lack the serinoess of a real country. They are like 12 year olds playing house.
For argentina this is serious times and serious times call for serious people. The people really need to revolt, the timing is getting really close for it. The camel's back is about to snap.
21 Burn1938 (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 08:31 pm Report abuse
Worse still, the UK will reopen its Embassy in Paraguay next year !
22 stick up your junta (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 08:38 pm Report abuse
The main target: a propaganda campaign in the UK to try and convince British political personalities or outstanding names from attending the Falklands as observers of the March referendum, and thus reaffirming the legitimacy and transparency

Good luck with that one,unless you can rope in George (pussy cat)Galloway
23 Captain Poppy (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 08:43 pm Report abuse
Has anyone else see a post then it disappears???
24 Britworker (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 08:44 pm Report abuse
@23
I don't think a republic is on the agenda my devious friend, but I'm glad to see you are getting the name of the place right.
Argentina are going to a marvellous job whipping up world attention for us ahead of the vote, fear and desparation are very unattractive qualities - show them to the world.
25 Anbar (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 08:44 pm Report abuse
“”“#18 I agree and in fact I think it's time that the G20 start the process to remove argentina as it lack the serinoess of a real country”“”

Why on earth would anybody want to remove Argentina form the G20?
I dont see the connection?

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“”“Its about time the UN and the IMF sorted out Argentina. It is becoming a dodgy state. Corruption and anti democracy.”“”

The UN and IMF need to sort themselves out first of all. After which they can start berating others, until then they should keep their mouths shut (just as should CFK)

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“””Good luck with that one,unless you can rope in George (pussy cat)Galloway“”“”“

They will always find some corrupt or crazy ”famous personage” to support their cause, regardless of cause, there's always somebody who need 15 seconds of fame to prevent their ego fading from the public's short term memory.

Sean who....?
26 Rufus (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 08:46 pm Report abuse
@1 Nostril

Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn

What's the odds that wherever the Argentinian bells-whistles-shouting-and-complete-lack-of-an-arguement dog and pony show rolls into town, there'll have been a softly spoken, polite ambassador having visited shortly before with a dangerous load of facts, international agreements, good past relations and paid debts?
27 Britworker (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 08:47 pm Report abuse
@23
I apologise, my response was made to the post that miraculously dissapeared
28 brucey-babe (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 08:53 pm Report abuse
Oh no ! they are going to wheel out Sean Penn, the Islanders don`t stand a chance !
29 briton (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 08:56 pm Report abuse
Let’s be fair here and give the plastic queen a chance.

Exactly what can Argentina do to effect this referendum.
Send her navy to stop it
Send her air force to stop it
Send her army to stop it
Demand South America declares war on the Falklands to stop the referendum.

Come on guys be fair he her, its not her fault [as an ex asylum inmate]she was picked as leader,
She is looking for that great victory in the sky.
So
What can she /they / them do
Allow us to help them.
Nothing , nothing , nothing , nothing, nothing ,
Any advance on nothing [nope, not nothing]
You can carry on laughing now,
Chuckle chuckle.

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30 toooldtodieyoung (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 08:57 pm Report abuse
In 1982, Sir Anthony Parsons ( Britain's ambassador to the UN ) pulled off what even the American's called “A stunning display of diplomatic professionism”

and

”Even Mrs KirkPatrick ( The American ambassador ), who could ill conceal her pro-Argentine sympathies, later used the the incident to compare British diplomacy with American “amateurism””

That got Resolution 502 passed through the security council WITHIN 48 HOURS with a two thirds majority.

Laughing boy Timerman and his cronies are, to be frank, p*ssing in the wind........ this “anti-referendum” campaign has got a snall-balls hope in hell of working.
31 Captain Poppy (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 09:00 pm Report abuse
#27 I responded to a post in another article that when I hit enter......it was gone. I always identify whom I respond to and now looks like I responded to no one. Maybe they took my suggestion to on allow ONE ID per computer IP. Remember the name you responded to?
32 Anbar (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 09:07 pm Report abuse
“That got Resolution 502 passed through the security council WITHIN 48 HOURS with a two thirds majority.”

Actually it was 10 votes to 1 (against - Panama) with 4 abstentions and no vetos.
33 Pugol-H (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 09:10 pm Report abuse
LMFAO, priceless, you couldn’t make this shit up.

The penny has finally dropped, they have realised they are not winning this “battle for hearts and minds” in the international community.

The significance and importance of this referendum has just become apparent to them, and the response is, they raise its profile further still.

Absolutely brilliant counter strategy if you’re an Islander, crass stupidity if you’re the Argy gov trying to minimise its impact.

Deliberately avoiding the point that the referendum is designed to show the world “what the Islanders want”, Argentina will be arguing they “don’t have the right to choose”, never mind what Ban-Ki Moon says.

No prizes for guessing who is going to win that argument, in the modern world.

Last throw of the dice for Argentina.

Probably get their aircraft impounded by “vulture funds” when they land in the countries they are trying to persuade against the referendum.
34 Brit Bob (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 09:17 pm Report abuse
Default approaching and IMF to revisit Argentina on 17th December with the 'Red Card'.

The Tin man and the Botox Queen are no doubt hunkered down in the bunker awaiting their impending demise.

LOL
35 briton (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 09:19 pm Report abuse
Apparently Argentina will put a resolution to the UN stating that, all member s must ask argentina point of view and if any objections would be forth coming, before they announce any referendums in future,
As its only fair that Argentina should be consulted first, in advance.
So they say..

And they wonder why the world laughs .
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36 toooldtodieyoung (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 09:22 pm Report abuse
32 Anbar

My apologies, I stand corrected.

The book I am reading quoted two thirds majority but I am quite happy to bow to your more accurate information.
37 Terence Hill (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 09:32 pm Report abuse
What an oxymoron using a political forum to inform of the “legitimate rights” of Argentina over the Malvinas Islands. It should be a very, very short message as they have none. It's all they have left as their tenuous legal claim is now extinguished as a result of their own neglect.
38 txiki (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 09:42 pm Report abuse
Argentina is a product of a colonial power that declared its independence from mother country in an act of “self-determination”. It is a colonial country. 98% of the population are of European descent. A transplanted population.

Therefore what right has Argentina to deny the population of the islands a similar act of self determination? None what so ever.

The rest of the world pay lip-service to Argentina - while really they would just like to roll their eyes back every time the subject is brought up.
39 malen (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 09:47 pm Report abuse
we dont tragarnos sapos, neither referendums
and what about good UK news informed here in MP for their BOTS??
They want to know there was a student strike, that Britian is making water (floods) and that Germany is domianting them with their imposed rules and they cant agree in european congresses?? Just to see not so much biased information, disimulate a little.
40 slattzzz (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 09:50 pm Report abuse
Hilarious just advertise to the world that you are bullies. Good luck with targeting Commonwealth countries, what a bunch of dipsticks.
41 Anbar (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 09:55 pm Report abuse
“”“”Argentina is a product of a colonial power that declared its independence from mother country in an act of “self-determination”. It is a colonial country. 98% of the population are of European descent. A transplanted population.

Therefore what right has Argentina to deny the population of the islands a similar act of self determination? None what so ever. “”“”

None whatsoever....

the “problem” is that the Argentine Government doesnt seem to recognise this fact.

the Argentine Government is very good at not recognising either facts or history when it suits its need though.

(although that is true of pretty much all politicians and governments!)
42 Gordo1 (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 10:02 pm Report abuse
They must realise they are losing the ”Battle of Words!
43 Musky (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 10:19 pm Report abuse
Argentina is trying propaganda in the UK! Well I've heard it all. Perhaps they'll call in the 'big guns' like Morrissey... do me a lemon, Miss Castro might as well strip off outside 10 downing street if she really wants to make the headlines!
44 HansNiesund (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 10:27 pm Report abuse
@43

I do hope they send the bold duo had such success in obtaining the release of the Libertad.
45 Outlawcatcher (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 10:33 pm Report abuse
Amazing strategy campaign on behalf of Argentina! Have they got anyone in that country actually capable of running anything except a mouth?
46 ProRG_American (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 10:42 pm Report abuse
I told you so.
47 Pirate Love (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 11:10 pm Report abuse
Interesting....

Argentina - “We Demend that you insist That The Falkland popultion have no right to human rights”

Rest of the world - “Give me back my money thief, and whats this we hear you are a dictatorship after all !!!”

S-E-L-F-------D-E-T-E-R-M-I-N-A-T-I-O-N, UN Charter.
48 ab (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 11:15 pm Report abuse
si, si, si,
la Junta otra vez
49 surfer (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 11:34 pm Report abuse
EVERY. SINGLE. TOP. HEADLINE. is now about Argentine screwups or direct results thereof, I've yet to read a single comment that comes close to justifying any action by the Argentine Govt.

Keep fiddling.
50 Captain Poppy (#) Nov 26th, 2012 - 11:55 pm Report abuse
They are determined to prove to the world that they do not want to be part of the main stream world of countries. Everything they do pushes them farther and farther outside.
51 Pirate Love (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 12:31 am Report abuse
@50 for argentina its all or nothing, i cant predict referendums but for some reason Argentina are scared of this democratic referendum before they know the result, cant see why, they alledgedly believe in democracy yet they fear this referendum to take place,maybe they would prefer people not to have a choice, i think they call that dictatorship, if im not mistaken, that would be strange behaviour from a so called democratic country indeed to want to silence the voice of another nation, certainly warrants review from the rest of the true democratic world.

SELF - DETERMINATION, cannot be silenced!
52 St.John (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 01:46 am Report abuse
No reason to scold the Argentine government - she is doing a great job to promote the Falkland Islands referendum to a world, which wouldn't have heard about it without the Argentine government's assistance.

Thanks, Cristina, Timerman & al.!
53 Captain Poppy (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 01:47 am Report abuse
A slight detour here. Has anyone else read about the oil discovery in Paraguay, just north of the border with Argentina. This should really be interesting how it plays out with asslips kirchner. All her neighbors are not just passing Argentina by, they a running past Argentina.
Perhaps she will drop the call to arms for the Falklands now the Paraguay will undoubtedly be the “new” target of ”that is my land. I can see her claiming the underground........the reserves go well (well....lol) into Argentina.
54 si, si, si (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 02:24 am
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55 Captain Poppy (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 02:31 am Report abuse
Looks like Paraguay may go from an importer self sufficient
56 Teaboy2 (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 06:34 am Report abuse
@31 Thats probably it as i have also been suggesting they ban IP addresses of known trolls especially since they all use more than one username.

I think Si Si Si might be the next one lol
57 malen (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 09:11 am Report abuse
41 Argentina got independence because it was a pueblo sojuzgated and dominated by its conquerors that invaded them. This is rightful.
We were and are mixed people, 6.000.000 of mixed against thousands of spaniards realistas.
Different it is your history, you have expelled the people and legal authorities of the isles as conquerors, transpalted your people, and are living in an usurpated land.
The geopolitical interests of UK are clear, and specially the selfdetermination a smokescreen since it is only used when it is convenient for them (Chagos for ex)
58 Gordo1 (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 09:42 am Report abuse
@57 I applaud your attempt to to tell us something in English. El problema es que no se entiende nada - so please get someone to a translation for us! ¡Muchas gracias!
59 GALlamosa (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 10:43 am Report abuse
Worried about journalists telling the truth - now that is a real concern. How the hell does Argentina counter people telling the truth ? I suppose it could try to intimidate them..............
60 emerald (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 10:46 am
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61 ChrisR (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 11:35 am Report abuse
I am thrilled to learn that AG is to promote the referendum taking place in March of next year on the Falklands (there are STILL no Malvinas you prats).

This should help the FIG even more in their excellent programme of information and education about the matter.

AG have forgotten a famous saying THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS BAD PUBLICITY.
62 GALlamosa (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 12:03 pm Report abuse
#61 Good thought Chris.
63 Idlehands (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 12:08 pm Report abuse
It's going to be a hard sell persuading democratic nations to ignore a democratic vote because Argentina says so.
64 Conqueror (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 12:45 pm Report abuse
I'd like to say a very special “Thank you” to the argie government. In the United Kingdom, and in most parts of the civilised world, there is no bar on approximately 3,000 people getting together to express their views. It's called “democracy” and “freedom of speech”. Articles 2, 6, 19, 20, 21 and 28 of the UN Declaration of Human Rights apply. Where the matter at issue is the government of a territory, it may be called “self-determination”.

I applaud your attempt to get British political personalities and outstanding names to back your viewpoint. May I respectfully suggest that a propaganda campaign may not be sufficient. I would recommend personal visits to the individuals in question. Brown envelopes stuffed with at least 100 US$100 bills would make a suitable “calling card”. This is particularly important as interfering in a political activity in a British territory could see their next “performance” being in front of a judge.

I am a little surprised at the intention to take a tour around the Caribbean and Africa. Bearing in mind that such states tend to have similar laws. Will the “top diplomats” be visiting Ghana?

Can I also take this opportunity to mention that, if you are going to interfere in another country's internal affairs, it might not necessarily be a good idea to tell them that you're going to do it. This is usually classified as rank stupidity.
65 LEPRecon (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 01:35 pm Report abuse
So the Argentines are trying to say that a UN backed, independently monitored referendum ISN'T legal, because they say so?

LMFAO.

More 'distraction politics' from the muppets currently running Argentina, clearly design for the 'domestic' audience only.
66 Captain Poppy (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 01:41 pm Report abuse
I was wondering how a country goes about creating a public relations campaign to smear the actions of a democratic vote and a clear sign of self determination? I think this is going to be an exploding egg for anus breath.
67 Simon68 (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 02:24 pm Report abuse
Another brilliant piece of diplomacy by the kirchnerite plague!!!!!!!

Nobody else could possibly think up an “anti-referendum campaign”, and seriously expect other democracies to take the blindest bit of notice of them!!!!!

This is on a parr with Timerman's comedy show in the UN over the supposed “militarization” of the South Atlantic!!!!

Please, CFK, there are for more important things for you to concentrate on, such as insecurity on the streets, inflation, getting ARA Libertad freed, rising unemployment, decreasing GDP, impossibility of YPF exploiting Vaca Muerta due to lack of funds, etc.

Get it into your head, CFK, that niether you nor that oaf Timerman or the trolley dolly Castro have the faintest idea of how to manage international relations, so forget it, and concentrate on the domestic problems that mean something to us, the Argentine people!!!!!!!
68 JIB (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 03:39 pm Report abuse
It seems to be that Falkland Oil and Gas has abandoned further oil prospects regarding the horrible obtained results.

FOGL stocks prizes have plunged and due to high extraction costs (something is being shared with other oil cos. exploring around the island) is thinking about abandoning this endeavour.

Cheers.
69 Islander1 (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 03:54 pm Report abuse
JIB - guess you only read CFK censored and manipulated papers! Some facts_ FOGL have found gas and oil shows in second well - not commercial though - ie they are not in the right place this time around. Next week they start a multimillion dollar enhanced sesmis study of the are as 2 vessels arrive.
Their first well was positive in so far as good results as far as could be seen, but they need to drill from a different angle next time due to rock structure. Again it will now be a detailed seismic target area.

North of the Islands the Sealion development is fixed and starting to rool with enhanced design planning and some $5 billion investment over the next 10-15 years and first oil due to flow late 2017 after serious on site development works start late 2014.
No doubt development and exploration could be a bit cheaper with S.American port back up etc - but not much, as here the industry operates to top level North Sea Safety standards (insisted on by the Falklands Govt)- not US Gulf of mexico ones or whatever level yours are at?
70 JIB (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 03:59 pm Report abuse
That's not my reading at all, in fact this is coming straight from UK, the stock price comparison from a few months back to actual value is undoubtedly the finest sign to confirm what's been published has some sense.
71 Simon68 (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 04:05 pm Report abuse
68 JIB (#)
Nov 27th, 2012 - 03:39 pm

“FOGL stocks prizes have plunged and due to high extraction costs...”

Interesting viewpoint, JIB, the share prices dropped 9.45% at this news, compare that with the drop of 45% in YPF shares!!!!!!!
72 PGH (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 04:16 pm Report abuse
MercoPenguin: more biased by the day.
73 M_of_FI (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 04:35 pm Report abuse
@72 - PGH

So the Argentine Government is not going to try and discredit the Falklands referendum?
74 agent999 (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 04:39 pm Report abuse
@72 PGH

more rubbish with each post.
75 Idlehands (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 04:42 pm Report abuse
How is it biased to report on the madcap policies of the Argentine government? The article doesn't offer opinion - it just states the story.
76 JIB (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 06:20 pm Report abuse
Simon, who's talking about YPF?
77 Captain Poppy (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 06:31 pm Report abuse
Simon.......also the big difference with YPF is that FOGL has investor's lined up out the door, unlike YPF who has to have the government seize there (Chevron) assests and threaten to expropriate
78 Brit Bob (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 06:37 pm Report abuse
Get this Tin Man, 'THE FALKLAND ISLANDS HAVE GOT NOTHING TO DO WITH ARGIELAND!'
79 JIB (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 06:40 pm Report abuse
What government seized Chevron's assets? that's new to me.
80 Teaboy2 (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 06:51 pm Report abuse
@80 Did you see that?..... Oh you missed it! Nevermind, it was only me clicking the report button under your name to report you as a troll. So Captain Piss, say bye bye!!!
81 Captain Poppy (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 07:08 pm Report abuse
Teaboy2 are you referring to me?
82 briton (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 07:25 pm Report abuse
All CFK will achieve, is to tell the free world, what the Falklands are suffering at their hands,

If Argentina is not involved [it illegal] when Argentina is involved as to US courts, [its still illegal]
Tell us CFK , when is something [legal] in your eyes,
When you steal them, perhaps.
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83 Captain Poppy (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 07:35 pm Report abuse
cuntina kirchner reminds me of a little kid that has ice cream all over his shirt, all over his hands, all over his face....his mom comes in and a cartoon of ice is all over the floor and the first thing the kids say.....“wasn't me”. They are so transparent and refuse reality. The audacity of them calling the US courts “irrational” because they are legally and morally bound to a contract signed by the Republic of Argentina and currently refuses to honor. Argentina does not understand that a creditor is not required to renegotiate debt. They are stupid in the believe that if they do not renegotiate, the debt no longer exists. This is why they lost the Liberstad, will lose Aerolinas assets when they fly into the USA after the appeal and will start having YPF assets seized. FORREST GUMP:

Stupid is as stupid does........also known as:

Argentina is as Argentina does.......same thing.
84 Room237 (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 08:38 pm Report abuse
I hate to say this as I'm no friend of Argentina (nor an enemy) but YPF Repsol deserved to get nationalised. Granted they could of done it in a much better way, infact just about any way would of been better, but Repsol had been robbing YPF of every penny (peso) they could get for well over a decade while investing the bare minimum in return. Look at how much production went down vs investment and how much dividend YPF paid to its major shareholder Repsol every year.
85 ProRG_American (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 09:05 pm Report abuse
Good News!!
www.buenosairesherald.com/article/117937/falkland-oil-and-gas-loses-half-its-value-on-malvinas-disappointing-results

What Next?
Judge Greisas Ruling overturned by appeal?
ARA Libertad is freed from captivity?
Grain Prices Soar?
New Major oil discovery in patagonia?
World Bank says Argentina rduced its poverty by 50%?
World Bank says Argentine middle class the fastest growing in the region?
Argentina pays it's cooperative bond holders on time?
Cristina's chances for reelection suddenly skyrocket?

HOOOoooooo! Shrugging shoulders......It gives me chiiiils all over my body.
86 Captain Poppy (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 09:25 pm Report abuse
So you mean to tell me that when a corporation is not investing enough it is the governments role to take it over? What would they spend the money on investments when Argentina capped the selling price of crude....no wonder they exported it. 30 to 40 a barrel to pump it.....and the market was capped at 40 at the time in Argentina and the market prices were 90 to 100 a barrel.
No private enterprise ver deserves to be taken over by any government. On top of that Argentina did not and has not compensate Repsol and that is the NUMBER ONE reason no oil company will partner, not because of the fear of being expropirated, the fear of being expropriated and not being compensated.
87 ProRG_American (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 09:32 pm Report abuse
84 Room237 (#) ”YPF Repsol deserved to get nationalised......but Repsol had been robbing YPF of every penny (peso) they could get for well over a decade while investing the bare minimum in return.”

There is hope yet for some common sense on this forum.
88 Teaboy2 (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 09:41 pm Report abuse
@81 No Mate! There was a post after post 79 made by captain piss, but it vanished by the time i had submitted my response. You know, as much as i like them removing troll posts, i'd prefer it if they just put “deleted” and under the posters name TROLL, to save the rest of use from embarassesment
89 Captain Poppy (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 09:59 pm Report abuse
I think the name was deleted....I've been complaining not only about the multi names from the same email addresses and IP's, but also the simular names of real posters. I feel the just need to eliminate sussie and all her names permanently
90 Room237 (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 10:01 pm Report abuse
Captain Poppy like I said “Granted they could of done it in a much better way, infact just about any way would of been better” and I agree compensation is due and the artificial cap on prices does have an effect, but when a company takes out of your economy far more than it puts in financially and will not change its way what is left that you can do. And yes some companies do deserve to be nationalised for the greater good if it is failing to deliver such an important strategic reserve. I agree with the principle here just not the execution.
91 British_Kirchnerist (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 10:30 pm Report abuse
Looks like the start of a good campaign, this referendum is a joke. Nice picture of the two of them at the top, almost looks like a President/VP ticket =)
92 Per Ardua (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 10:51 pm Report abuse
Looks more like 1980s kids' TV - Pob and Fenella the Kettle-Witch.
93 slattzzz (#) Nov 27th, 2012 - 11:03 pm Report abuse
your right it does look like the start of a good campaign....................for everyone except Rgenweener, because simply you are going to score a major own goal and the UN and all the rest of the civilised world are going to see what your really about...............and laugh. Wait for the trolls bringing up Syrai, Iraq, Libya because I mentioned the world civilised
94 ChrisR (#) Nov 28th, 2012 - 12:18 am Report abuse
91 Blind_Scottie_Kirchnerist

But didn't you realise that Timmidman is holding up his finger to show carrot head what he has waiting for her when she gets off the plane in BsAs!

She was expecting something bigger than that after flying all that way.
95 andy65 (#) Nov 28th, 2012 - 12:18 am Report abuse
Argentina's
96 Captain Poppy (#) Nov 28th, 2012 - 12:51 am Report abuse
#90 regulation would have done more than stealing the company outright. Hell, even criminally charge the CEO and directors. Taking a company is stealing....period. Expropriating is an extreme and undue exercise of government authority.
It is a great campaign, it will show the world what a bunch of repressive, anti democratic idiots run argentina.
97 KFC de Pollo (#) Nov 28th, 2012 - 01:13 am Report abuse
@91 being a kirchnerite i thought you were supposed to support democracy!
98 Boovis (#) Nov 28th, 2012 - 03:29 am Report abuse
So, essentially Argentina is saying “Not only do we not recognise these people's right to determine their own future, but we are also giving a small window into how things would be if we somehow took over the islands”.

Even if they did steal the islands, the people there would just put up a pro-independence representative to vote for in the next election, vote for that person, then leave Argentina as is every land's right to do so. Either way, the argies are not getting the islands.
99 Teaboy2 (#) Nov 28th, 2012 - 05:27 am Report abuse
@89 Totally agree with you mate, though i think overall, the comment boards needs permenant moderaters, but then that would mean someone that was not biased or took either side, to allow freedom of expression and speech. Am all for the agries having their say, as not only can some of them make good debates they can be some that are downright haliarious with their comments and the piss they have taken out of them as a result. Though its easy to identify the trolls, as their the ones making false accusations of people using multiple usernames when infact it is themselves and banning their IP address is the best way of stopping them using the same computer, let alone email account, to create various usernames.
100 Captain Poppy (#) Nov 28th, 2012 - 11:27 am Report abuse
One that limits the IPs to one name and look for similar insulting names.

I think when the world sees just what they are campaigning against, they will once again be digging a bigger hole for themselves. It's almost hard to imagine the argentines making themselves look more stupid.......but they have a campaign in the works to remedy that.
101 lsolde (#) Nov 28th, 2012 - 11:36 am Report abuse
@99 Teaboy2,
Don't take all the fun away.
lts extremely funny to read some of the garbage that the Argtrolls post.
Unfortunately l think that a lot of them actually believe their lies.
102 Captain Poppy (#) Nov 28th, 2012 - 12:46 pm Report abuse
I wonder if the trolls have a lifeboat like the asslips administration, or will they be left with the ship?
103 Teaboy2 (#) Nov 28th, 2012 - 01:42 pm Report abuse
Isolde, oh i agree someone what they post is halirious and i can sit here for ages laughing when read their posts.

But then theirs the ones that don't contribute anything, post the same accusations on each post. Spend 10 hours a day pressing the refreash button and responding to each post made that is not theres, with irrelevant rubbish. And thens theirs the ones that think thay have found the holy grail and celebrate by copying and pasting their posts in every single recent article, sometimes upto 3-4 times each article. They are the ones am targetting along with those that try to disguise their usernames to look similar to legitimate users as attempt to discredit said user! So its the above ones am, targetting as trolls.
104 GFace (#) Nov 28th, 2012 - 02:50 pm Report abuse
How thick a bubble do you have to be to come up with an idea that is this college-educated stupid? Also their SA support for the Argentine claim is mostly the equivalent of a “roll call” vote on a do-nothing piece of legislation that is done to symbolize party unity knowing full well that the bill will do nothing. In this case though, states want to be seen as democratic will see through this. Some of course will nod their heads hoping that no one but Buenos Aires and their bloc's neighbors will see but they know in the end that it is for nothing, self-determination and the UN charter rules. The people who matter and aren't bound by “regional solidarity” will see through this, (Argentina's neighbor's symbolic but empty support,) and the true desires of the Falklands' citizens who have already experienced the true face of Argentine rule and have continuously and passionately rejected it. A face that Argentina continues to celebrate with their 2 peso coin proudly commemorating their exporting of their Dirty War onto a free people who have never wanted anything to do with them. Heaven help them when the bubble pops.
105 andy65 (#) Nov 28th, 2012 - 04:03 pm Report abuse
How low will these people stoop,not satisfied prostituting there country around South America looking for suppopt they are now going on a world tour of Commonwealth coutrys,lets hope these diplomats get the slap in the face they so richly deserve
106 Anbar (#) Nov 28th, 2012 - 05:35 pm Report abuse
“”“”It seems to be that Falkland Oil and Gas has abandoned further oil prospects regarding the horrible obtained results.

FOGL stocks prizes have plunged and due to high extraction costs (something is being shared with other oil cos. exploring around the island) is thinking about abandoning this endeavour.“””

Going by family experience in Kazakhstan share prices are exceptionally volatile over the entire period of test drilling & exploration (even land-based) until a “rock-solid” well is drilled.. and remains volatile right up to extraction and commercial pumping.

From that its pretty obvious that the entire enterprise is high-risk, even more so given the location (South Atlantic) ..so the volatility of stock prices might not be the best means of judging the future (or even current) situation - they fluctuate so rapidly on the tiniest rumour.

Would it not be more surprising, and rather dubious, if all of these tests well came in with brilliant results all the time? Some of these drilling areas have to fail completely.

thats just one of the risks and why you need a lot of money and backing to risk it in any case.

/em shrugs
107 ProRG_American (#) Nov 28th, 2012 - 07:03 pm Report abuse
“Libertad cannot be embargoed”, says IMO in London.

www.telam.com.ar/nota/45400/
108 andy65 (#) Nov 28th, 2012 - 08:50 pm Report abuse
107 ProRG_American
Any reason why the old botox queen Hitler Kirchner had to hire a European Airline to rescue the crew from Ghana?? We know the old pensioner Alicia Castro helped bancrupt her former employer Aerolines Argentines due to steeling the duty free but what was Argentina affraid of by not sending one of it's own aircraft?? rather embarrasing I feel but that's the story of modern Argentina AN EMBARRASMENT the world over does not pay it's debts ranked 100 in the world corruption index suppresses freedonm of speach with it's press (ranked with some of the worst corrupt countrys in the world) they will be throwing people from militry aircraft next.
109 LEPRecon (#) Nov 28th, 2012 - 11:35 pm Report abuse
@108 - ProRG pretend Yank

No the IMO doesn't say that. Your batty Ambassador says that.

You seem to not understand that Argentina WAIVED its immunity on sovereign assets, which includes anything owned by the sovereign state of Argentina, including military vessels.

That means you gave your immunity up, away, deleted it, it no longer exists! Comprende?

And yet instead of trying to save Argentina's economy, and reputation on the international stage, your government instead tries to bully and intimidate 3,000 people because you want to steal their land and property.

In fact, your government is so scared of the words “self-determination” that they have foolishly said that the people of the Falkland Islands don't enjoy the same human rights as the other 7 billion people on the planet.

Further, your government erroneously states that they are an implanted population, yet they are the ONLY native population the Islands have EVER had, unlike Argentina, who has a huge implanted population that continues to oppress and subdue, even starve out, the true and native inhabitants.

This makes your government and its representatives all big lying hypocritical imperialist colonial dead beats, who won't pay your debts like a decent and honourable country would do.

Then your government cries that the world is picking on you for being lying hypocritical imperialist colonial dead beats, the label you La Campora trolls, peronists and Kirchenists seem to wear like a badge of honour, whilst the decent citizens of your country despair.
110 andy65 (#) Nov 29th, 2012 - 12:23 am Report abuse
As I keep on saying

ARGENTINA ALWAYS THE VICTIM
111 Captain Poppy (#) Nov 29th, 2012 - 12:41 am Report abuse
Not only a foreign airline....they had to save up the greenbacks for several weeks to pay for it as well
112 andy65 (#) Nov 29th, 2012 - 04:11 am Report abuse
Air France they requested payment up front, Argentina struck a deal requested that cabin crew not neeeded as they had a very experianced flight attendent that could serve the whole plane single handed her name ALICIA CASTRO.
113 Soooooozy (#) Nov 29th, 2012 - 04:28 am
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114 Per Ardua (#) Nov 29th, 2012 - 05:17 am Report abuse
Andy, I doubt that's the first time that Castro served a whole plane full of sailors single-handed...
115 andy65 (#) Nov 29th, 2012 - 11:52 am Report abuse
And the real reason she was recalled to South America was to service her x lover DADDY CHAVEZ
116 ChrisR (#) Nov 29th, 2012 - 12:51 pm Report abuse
115 andy65

I think you have the incorrect spelling there.

Is it not DEADY CHAVEZ (well, almost).

LOLs
117 JohnN (#) Nov 29th, 2012 - 01:36 pm Report abuse
Since South Georgia is a part of the region and while not mentioned so often by Argentina, good to keep SG and SSI not so far from public perception.

South Georgia News, October edition, now posted on the South Georgia website: www.sgisland.gs/index.php/Main_Page
118 Anbar (#) Nov 29th, 2012 - 03:47 pm Report abuse
“Looks more like 1980s kids' TV - Pob and Fenella the Kettle-Witch.”

evil edna too ;-)
119 slattzzz (#) Nov 30th, 2012 - 08:51 pm Report abuse
hows that going by the way bet you scared to leave Rgenweener in case yor plane gets impounded
120 Captain Poppy (#) Nov 30th, 2012 - 09:13 pm Report abuse
I wonder how someone even starts an anti-democratic, self determination vote campaign with out looking anti democratic?
121 Shed-time (#) Dec 02nd, 2012 - 12:22 pm Report abuse
@120 I wonder how a terrorist organization that got into power through pretending to distribute wealth to the poor, managed to convince people that it's leadership wasn't trying to offshore huge amounts of cash to offshore 'personal wealth' funds?

I wonder why a jewish gentleman has aligned himself so closely to kirchnerism, a radicalised form of 'hitlerism', that includes having brown shirts terrorising shop owners and stealing the possessions of others, just like the nazis did. Maybe Hector Strawman is an adherent to a form of judaism that I am currently unaware of.

The whole thing is hilarious.
122 Captain Poppy (#) Dec 02nd, 2012 - 03:19 pm Report abuse
Nestor's dad was a Swiss German and raise in Patagonia. That is well known for where the Nazi's went when Peron smuggled and hid the Nazi's for their millions. Seems the poor of Argentina do not care are long as the government tosses the crumbs to the poor.
123 andy65 (#) Dec 02nd, 2012 - 03:43 pm Report abuse
Looks like the old botox queen might be under estimating the commonwealth read below.

There are many good reasons why Commonwealth Caribbean countries should not support Argentina in this dispute with Britain. First, the inhabitants of the Falklands have determined that they are British and wish to remain so. They have rejected the notion of being Argentinian. The right of self-determination, enshrined in the Charter of the United Nations, is one that Commonwealth Caribbean countries have long upheld, and, indeed, is the basis on which each of them achieved their own political independence.

When Foreign Ministers of the 15-member countries of CARICOM and the Dominican Republic met Ministers of the British Government in January this year at the biennial UK-Caribbean Forum in Grenada, they collectively and rightly agreed: “To support the principle and the right to self-determination for all peoples, including the Falkland Islanders, recognising the historical importance of self-determination in the political development of the Caribbean, and its core status as an internationally agreed principle under the United Nations Charter”.

A second good reason not to support Argentina is that the facts of British settlement and sovereignty over the Falklands are well established. It is important to appreciate that an existing UN resolution on the Falklands does no more than call for negotiations to find a peaceful settlement to the dispute over sovereignty. Where the problem arises is: if both countries claim sovereignty why would either of them want to negotiate over what they consider to be their legitimate right? In any event, Britain has exercised sovereignty over the Falklands since 1765 and, properly, if Argentina disputes such sovereignty, it should take the matter to the International Court of Justice for arbitration. Argentina has declined to do so, while Britain has indicated its willingness on several occasions
124 Captain Poppy (#) Dec 02nd, 2012 - 06:23 pm Report abuse
Andy....I think asslips is getting tired of getting slapped in the courts. She may be looking at a 250 million to 1.3 billion dollar deposit from a Friday afternoon motion filed while waiting out the appeal process......lol
125 Shed-time (#) Dec 02nd, 2012 - 08:25 pm Report abuse
It's kind of ironic that the 'front for victory' seem to achieve nothing but failure. Surely they should be renamed the 'front for failure'.

I still cannot get over how she considers herself a successful lawyer and yet they seem complete incompetents when it comes to the law. They don't even know to keep their mouths shut and let the judges make their decisions. This 'successful' and 'victory' seem to mean significantly different things in argentina to what they mean outside it.

And where is that $530million she and nestor pocketed from the sale of YPF anyways?
126 andy65 (#) Dec 02nd, 2012 - 09:40 pm Report abuse
Captain..This woman will never get tired believe me she's in this for the long haul,listening to her I get an urge that no man ever should and thats to slap a woman hard.
127 Shed-time (#) Dec 02nd, 2012 - 09:42 pm Report abuse
@126 clearly nestor got tired of her.

...or he was summoned to the great Reichsparteitag in the sky.
128 Captain Poppy (#) Dec 02nd, 2012 - 10:37 pm Report abuse
she is a public thief and her military should assassinate her for the better good of their country.
129 andy65 (#) Dec 03rd, 2012 - 12:55 am Report abuse
Alicia Castro is this woman really suitable to be an ambassadore when a news anchor raps rings arounds her and do the words DRAG and QUEEN come to mind

www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkEMS7diuDc&playnext=1&list=PLu5J126w9WxpQX-o-LWcN-hMhoBGa-4fg&feature=results_main
130 Anbar (#) Dec 03rd, 2012 - 11:51 am Report abuse
wow, she got slaughtered there.

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