Friday, November 30th 2012 - 20:07 UTC

Excellent weather for “Seabourn Sojourn” on her Friday Falklands’ call

Despite claims by the Argentine media that the Bahamas flagged cruise vessel “Seabourn Sojourn” had no plans to visit Falklands the 431 passengers on board have enjoyed a wide range of tours around the Islands after they anchored in Port William, just outside of Stanley Harbour on Friday at 9am.

The “Seabourn Sojourn” anchored in Port William on a blue sky Friday (Pic Alan Henry)

A launch from the Bahamas vessel leaving from Stanley tourists’ jetty (Pic Jo Turner)

Vibrant blue skies and temperatures in excess of 15 degrees Celsius were enjoyed by passengers and shore staff as they explored the Islands. Tours were despatched to visit the Rockhopper penguin colonies, the Gentoo penguins at Bluff Cove Lagoon, the Kings at Volunteer Point and in and around Stanley a variety of nature, battlefield and town tours.

A spokesperson for the Falkland Islands Company Ltd, the agents for this particular cruise ship said everything had gone to schedule and as planned well in advance of the visit and the ship was expected to leave the Falklands again soon after 5pm. Friday.

A spokesperson for the Falkland Islands Tourist Board said he was happy to confirm that the “Seabourn Sojourn” had arrived as scheduled and her passengers had enjoyed a fine sunny day, adding: “We look forward to welcoming future planned visits.”

 

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1 Anbar (#) Nov 30th, 2012 - 08:28 pm Report abuse
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
2 KFC de Pollo (#) Nov 30th, 2012 - 08:34 pm Report abuse
but but its a lie! That boat doesn't exist!!!! photoshop!!!! we sunk invincible!!!!

muwahahahahahahahh!
3 Britninja (#) Nov 30th, 2012 - 08:38 pm Report abuse
Argentina is the comedy gift that keeps on giving
4 Anbar (#) Nov 30th, 2012 - 08:38 pm Report abuse
I emailed Seaborun myself earlier ans asked them if the Argentine report was true and that the Falklands were no longer on their itinerary, they replied:

“”“”Dear Mr ABCDEF,

Thank you for contacting Seabourn Cruise Line regarding the Falkland Islands. Internally at this time we have not been advised of any change to our South American itineraries which at this point include the Falkland Islands through 2014.

If you have any additional questions or concerns, please do contact us.

Best Regards,

“”“”

'nuff said really. :-0
5 slattzzz (#) Nov 30th, 2012 - 08:38 pm Report abuse
can't be true they sunk that one.......................arseholes. wonder if castro thinks it's got a warship IMO number, what a slap in the kisser. Libertad home for chrimbo NO!!!!! Libertad home ever NO !!!!!, Libertad visiting the Falklands as a tourist boat under the American flag...possibly
6 Brit Bob (#) Nov 30th, 2012 - 08:55 pm Report abuse
Argentina: the only country in the World governed by comedians.
7 Joe Bloggs (#) Nov 30th, 2012 - 09:01 pm Report abuse
Come on Argentina. Propaganda has to be a bit more opaque than that!

Chuckle chuckle chuckl chuckle!
8 commonsparrow (#) Nov 30th, 2012 - 09:28 pm Report abuse
Hilarious. Just as hilarious as the rants from the Iraqi information minister years ago, remember him?
9 toooldtodieyoung (#) Nov 30th, 2012 - 10:00 pm Report abuse
8 commonsparrow

Did he not escape to Argentina???

Yeah what was he called “Bhagdad Bob” Sounds like he's got a new job anyway.........
10 Viva Las Falklands (#) Nov 30th, 2012 - 10:11 pm Report abuse
Perhaps Castro should stick to the day job as a trolley dolly. She really is making herself look a complete prat in the eyes of the world.
Argentine Alice would be a nice tag for this propaganda bint.
11 Pirate Love (#) Nov 30th, 2012 - 10:22 pm Report abuse
oh my, wheres re Crustinas trolls to witness this great news, oh thats right they can only appear at negativity, shame!

Great news Falklands, heres to Crustinas fate!
12 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Nov 30th, 2012 - 10:45 pm Report abuse
Hey you antis argentine people-haters,

What does Argentina have to do with this news? It was the cruise ship line that made a statement of X, and if we believe this news they did Y. So what does Argentina have to do with their behavior?

It just reinforces the image of the anglo-saxons are lying, duplicitous nicompoops. If there stories are true, they lied... you guys are proud of that? If it were an argie ship saying it would not do something and still did it... oh boy you argie-haters would be all over it.

But, on the positive, we now know where this vessel will never be docking AGAIN...
13 Joe Bloggs (#) Nov 30th, 2012 - 10:48 pm Report abuse
12 Whatever name you are currently going by

WTF are you talking about now? Come down 50 IQ points so the average person can hope to understand you. Where will the boat never dock AGAIN?
14 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Nov 30th, 2012 - 10:50 pm Report abuse
@13

Stil on Port Stanley, Rio, Punta Arenas, and Punta del Este, so you're good for your vacation Joe.
15 Joe Bloggs (#) Nov 30th, 2012 - 11:04 pm Report abuse
13 Whatever name you are currently going by

No vacation for the Bloggs family now until April. Mrs Bloggs has always wanted to see the famous Austrian horses so we've agreed that's where we'll go next. We'll probably combine it with Florida. The kids love Disney and I love America (sorry, USA. I know you lot are a bit sensitive about that one) so it's win win for everyone.
16 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Nov 30th, 2012 - 11:08 pm Report abuse
Well if you change your mind... that cruise ship will be welcome with open arms in those ports. For their combustible safety, they will be gently reminded not to call into port anywhere in bewteen those locations.
17 surfer (#) Nov 30th, 2012 - 11:11 pm Report abuse
Good news, looks like the threats and intimidation have not worked, the Argentine govt. piracy is not taken seriously anymore, freedom wins the day.
18 Troy Tempest (#) Nov 30th, 2012 - 11:20 pm Report abuse
A Troll pantomime

Dame Dover: where's the ship ??

Excited calls: Behind you, behind you!!

DD: Where??

Falklanders: it's at Port William !! *giggles and laughter*

DD: I don't see it.

Falklanders: * more giggles* “It's in the Falklands!!” *laughter and smirks*
19 Joe Bloggs (#) Nov 30th, 2012 - 11:21 pm Report abuse
16 Whatever name you are currently going by

Thanks, that's very kind of you but I've been to all those places on cruise ships before. I'm curious to know why you feel this story had nothing to do with Argentina. Why do you think the cruise liner came to make the comment to Argentine port authorities that they had no plans to visit the Falklands? Just small talk? I doubt it. The port authority personnel must have questioned them. Also, who would've let Mercopress know and why? Doesn't add up and you know it. This was an Argentine propaganda attempt that backfired and you know that too.

17 surfer

It looks like the Argentine gov has embarked on some sort of propaganda campaign. The only trouble is that they are very bad at it. They should speak to the Brits. They could teach them plenty about the art of propaganda.

Chuckle chuckle
20 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Nov 30th, 2012 - 11:29 pm Report abuse
@19

The cruise ship was asked by Ushuaian media, they said X, then did Y. Nowhere in there do yo see Argentina's government. I know you people live in opium trances where CFK controls the entire media in Argentina with her stare, but not really i hate to break the news to you.

Seabourn Sojourn can expect no sojourn in this country for the rest of eternity.
21 Anbar (#) Nov 30th, 2012 - 11:30 pm Report abuse
“”“”Well if you change your mind... that cruise ship will be welcome with open arms in those ports. For their combustible safety, they will be gently reminded not to call into port anywhere in bewteen those locations.“””

I think you set your high-horse on fire.

(Again.)
22 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Nov 30th, 2012 - 11:35 pm Report abuse
@21

Wht?
23 Anbar (#) Nov 30th, 2012 - 11:38 pm Report abuse
c'mon it aint rocket science.... (OR: wait till the next shift gets in, they'll explain it to you)
24 Joe Bloggs (#) Nov 30th, 2012 - 11:38 pm Report abuse
20 WNYACGB

So if this has nothing to do with Argentina why do you suggest the ship will not be allowed in your ports again?
25 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Nov 30th, 2012 - 11:53 pm Report abuse
Why allow in your face liars in our ports?
26 Anbar (#) Nov 30th, 2012 - 11:53 pm Report abuse
“So if this has nothing to do with Argentina why do you suggest the ship will not be allowed in your ports again?”

The morning-shift is currently in @ the Sock-Puppet Campus: you need to wait for the afternoon shift to get any common sense...or, indeed, anything that makes any sense.
27 Joe Bloggs (#) Dec 01st, 2012 - 12:03 am Report abuse
25 WNYACGB

Last time I checked telling lies to the media wasn't an offence. You need to call the main guy under this log in up and get him to take back over. You really have let him down.

18 Troy Tempest

A troll panto. I love it. Let's work up a cast:
The ugly stepsisters played by Alicia, Cristina and Hector
The fairy godmother played by Ambassador Agueillo
28 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 01st, 2012 - 12:13 am Report abuse
@27

You wish to obnubilate the main point, fine.

@26

Please. I am just the most minatory marplot you antis have encountered, thus the frustrations towards me by many.
29 Troy Tempest (#) Dec 01st, 2012 - 12:19 am Report abuse
@27 JB

Timerman !! LOL
30 Joe Bloggs (#) Dec 01st, 2012 - 12:26 am Report abuse
29 Troy

Tina-man would make a good ugly stepsister. Normally the ugly stepsisters would all be played by males but when you have actors with the calibre of Cristina and Alicia... Well, nobody will know the difference.

28 WTF are you crying about now?
31 Troy Tempest (#) Dec 01st, 2012 - 12:47 am Report abuse
@30 joe B

Of course, Doveoverdover would be the silly “Dame”- overblown acting and talking directly to audience with long- suffering woman's voice.
32 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 01st, 2012 - 01:34 am Report abuse
@30

All British ships are banned from all ports in the Argentine Republic, so banning this vessel is completely within the rules set up by the Congress and fully compliant with the Laws of the Sea.
33 andy65 (#) Dec 01st, 2012 - 01:56 am Report abuse
@32 the behavour of a desperate nation don't you think-oh by the way did you see the chilean President in London two weeks ago reafirming his countrys very close links with The UK???
Hitler Kirchner must be pissed at that.
34 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 01st, 2012 - 02:28 am Report abuse
@33

Yes, as did the Brazilians and Mexicans, and Colombians... and they did so with us. They are independent countries, we don't try to control other nations' foreign policy with economic terrorism like the UK, Europe, and the USA.

Argentina does not do what the other countries in the Americas do because we don't have relations with the UK so there's nothing to reinforce. You can't be friends with all of South America and North America. Be happy with what you got.
35 Pirate Love (#) Dec 01st, 2012 - 02:48 am Report abuse
“we don't try to control other nations' foreign policy with economic terrorism”

ahem, Falklands?? so ddeluded its laughable.
36 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 01st, 2012 - 03:12 am Report abuse
@35

All the laws apply and are enforced WITHIN Argentina, not the Falklands.

You really don't believe in self-determination do you? You do.. but only for anglo-saxons. Pathetic.
37 Troy Tempest (#) Dec 01st, 2012 - 03:57 am Report abuse
@34 Nozzy

“we don't try to control other nations' foreign policy with economic terrorism”

ahem, what about trying to influence other UNASUR members to thwart your creditors??

:- )
38 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 01st, 2012 - 04:09 am Report abuse
@37

We are doing THEM a favor, not the other way around. Think before you indite text.
39 Troy Tempest (#) Dec 01st, 2012 - 05:41 am Report abuse
THEY don't need a favour, THEY have their sh!t together.
40 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 01st, 2012 - 05:54 am Report abuse
From your perspective I could even understand your conviction... The rest of South America being hooked to the drug that is the “international bond market”, and to excessive trade exchange with the North... yet they lost their sovereignty in the processs.

Now they have no diplomatic maneuvering room, because if they even deviate one decimeter from the commands from Brussels, Washington, or Beijing, they are punished with immediate trade and distabilization of their bonds.

They now can only aspire to truckling to nations who themselves now have submitted to a banking coven.

If you guys like that sort of stuff... but leave us alone.
41 Troy Tempest (#) Dec 01st, 2012 - 06:25 am Report abuse
@40 Nozzy

They HAVE their sovereignty and many options because they have stable growing economies service their debt reliably and money on tap to fund their own industries or initiatives of their choosing.

Argentina will, de facto, lose their sovereignty because they have no funding which translates into NO OPTIONS to do as they please. Argentina will have to sit by and watch others prosper because Argentina cannot participate.

They will have to sell their inefficiently produced goods at a deep discount to compete and their margins of return will be ever decreasing.

Pretty soon, they'll be begging for 'table scraps', agreeing to anything (loss of sovereignty) for some investment capital.
Perhaps a 'sponsor' nation like Brazil will take them over, paternally of course. Or maybe China will hold out a hand, with some CONDITIONS, of course.

Well, Merry Christmas !!
Nozzy, you had better do your Christmas shopping early - the Peso is only going to be worth less the closer to Christmas you get.

:-D
42 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 01st, 2012 - 06:32 am Report abuse
Please by all means, make me a list of countries in Europe, North America, or Latin America that are prospering...

Chronometer set: time to answer question

1,473 million years.
43 Troy Tempest (#) Dec 01st, 2012 - 06:49 am Report abuse
@42 Nozzy

I was replying to your post @40, “... The rest of South America”

However, I'll play along,
Brazil seems to be doing very well, in fact as the others climb, Argentina is quickly falling behind. Only the fifth largest in LATAM now?? Used to be #2 didn't you??

A 44% increase in fuel costs should really help, too.

Sounds like a “Pirat-ALEX” Economics model you're following.

Well, good luck with that.
44 CJvR (#) Dec 01st, 2012 - 07:02 am Report abuse
Hahaha...!

Most amusing.
45 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 01st, 2012 - 07:05 am Report abuse
Yes fifth largest economy... in fact now that we are behind Venezuela, I hear next year Peru and Chile will surpass us.

There's no point in discussing anything with you antis. The funniest sh!t of all is that you are as brainwashed as the Kirchnerites, and your “statistics” are as accurate as Indec Poverty rates.
46 Troy Tempest (#) Dec 01st, 2012 - 08:12 am Report abuse
@45 Nozzy

“...accurate as Indec Poverty rates.”

Glad to see you regard them the same way we do.

And don't worry, there are other threads to denounce us on. That should cheer you up.
47 Joe Bloggs (#) Dec 01st, 2012 - 08:35 am Report abuse
31 Troy
LOL! Dame Dover. Poor chap thought people would take him seriously.

32 WNYACGB
The Seabourn ship the Sojourn does not have a British flag. It is registered in the Bahamas and it's not against the law to lie to the media so explain why it won't call into your T-shirt shop laden port towns again.
48 toooldtodieyoung (#) Dec 01st, 2012 - 09:55 am Report abuse
32 Tito The Clown Troll

“All British ships are banned from all ports in the Argentine Republic, so banning this vessel is completely within the rules set up by the Congress and fully compliant with the Laws of the Sea.”

Oh you mean “Bahamas flagged cruise vessel”

Try re-reading the the article again re-tard. So BECAUSE this ship IS NOT british flagged, then banning it from all ports in the Argentine Republic IS AGAINST the rules set up by the Congress and IS an illegal act under the Laws of the Sea.

Just another crime to add to the long, long, LONG list huh?
49 Joe Bloggs (#) Dec 01st, 2012 - 10:16 am Report abuse
48 to old

Well of course you know WNYCGB's answer will be to challenge us to prove to him that the UK , America (sorry USA. I keep forgetting that lot are a little delicate about that one) and Europe have never broken any of their own laws for political reasons.
50 toooldtodieyoung (#) Dec 01st, 2012 - 10:18 am Report abuse
49 Joe Bloggs

Or just not answer at all..................
51 Joe Bloggs (#) Dec 01st, 2012 - 10:33 am Report abuse
50 to old

Yes, I was going to add that option as well but whenever I do he makes himself get back up. Simply to discount the option.

It must be about time he introduced a new character. He's been stabilised on 3 or 4 of his favourites for at least a month now.
52 Islander1 (#) Dec 01st, 2012 - 10:37 am Report abuse
31 and 32 - The Ship did NOT lie to anyone numbskulls! Nobody asked them if they were going to the Falkland Islands! Theyw ere asked were they going to the malvinas Islands - so correct honest and true answer given - No!
Some thickos in Ushuaia need to learn to ask questions better!!
53 Clyde15 (#) Dec 01st, 2012 - 12:26 pm Report abuse
#34
“Argentina does not do what the other countries in the Americas do because we don't have relations with the UK ”

Who is Ms Alicia Castro and what is she doing in your EMBASSY in London if you do not have relations with the UK.
For the ignorant among us - I use the word in its correct sense -what exactly is her function ? Does she like the shopping or the West end theatres ?
I am at a loss to understand this apparent paradox.
54 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 01st, 2012 - 03:37 pm Report abuse
@48

Bahamas or not is irrelevant, won't get into that.

As for the other part... so the UK, US, and EU have never broken their own rules huh? Like say, the UN basic charter that initiation of war is a violation of the fundamental principle of the UN?

Check mate.

@53

She has no function, I think everyone can see that. That embassy should be shut I've said for months now, from the day she got appointed. Check the appropriate article.

@52

Fair enough, I don't know why the Brits are crying about Argentina turning ships away from BA, when we are being one hundred percent truthful:

Anglo-saxon ethnic vessel: “permission to enter River Plate... we will enter anyways since we are Brits and only believe in our sovereignty not yours... but we have to pretend for propaganda purposes that we are asking permission, over!”

Argentine Free Republic port authority: “You may not. This is not even the River Plate. Sorry”

Anglo-saxon ethnic vessel: “Nigel.... I mean 'Roger.'”
55 Joe Bloggs (#) Dec 01st, 2012 - 03:44 pm Report abuse
54 Whatever name

Bahamas or not is irrelevant, won't get into that.

LOL! It's totally relevant to your case because you quoted the Argentine law that says UK flagged ships cannot enter Argie ports. Nice try! What was it? Did you think it was a UK flagged ship or did you think the Bahamas were British. LOL! Either way you didn't do your research.
56 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 01st, 2012 - 03:57 pm Report abuse
Bahamas is not even an independent nation, it's head of state sits in London. The rest of the world may swallow British agitprop, but Argentina does not. It is my conviction that fact explains some of the animosity that emanates from the anglo-saxons here, that Argentina is so publicly incredulous about all the propaganda the UK, and the “west” have foisted on the rest of the planet about the ultimate purpose of their “institutions” (IMF, WB, Commonwealth, OAS, UN, etc).

Which is why Argentina is withdrawing one by one from all of them.
57 Joe Bloggs (#) Dec 01st, 2012 - 04:10 pm Report abuse
56 Whatever name

So, according to you, the Sojourn won't call into any Argie ports again this summer. And, according to you, no other Commonwealth registered ships will either. And, according to you, the rest of your country is behind you in your plan to withdraw from the rest of the world.

You really do get yourself into a mess on here, don't you.

Chuckle chuckle
58 Rufus (#) Dec 01st, 2012 - 05:40 pm Report abuse
@9 toooldtodie young

Baghdad Bob's real name was Muhammad Saeed al-Sahhaf (formerly the Iraqi (comedy dis-)Information Minister, although in the UK he was known as Comical Ali.

He retired to the UAE after the war (he was caught by the Americans (I think) but they couldn't think of anything to charge him with, and let him go). He's got his own fan-site here: www.welovetheiraqiinformationminister.com/
59 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 01st, 2012 - 05:46 pm Report abuse
@57

Well, they better not call in, for their combustible integrity.

And yes, I am convicing people daily that withdrawing from all those organizations is wise, because they were all created post WWII to be a facade, since overt colonialism with boots on the ground become “taboo”, bureaucratic colonialism was devised to take its place.
60 Anbar (#) Dec 01st, 2012 - 06:04 pm Report abuse
“”“”And yes, I am convicing people daily that withdrawing from all those organizations is wise, “”“”

say it enough times, it might come true....

still, it would be more persuasive if it wasnt a sock-puppet mouthing it...

(OK, maybe not)
61 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 01st, 2012 - 06:11 pm Report abuse
Yet further endeavors to obnubilate my incontrovertible statements. Ironic that you asseverate that I am engaging in the very behavior you have just clutched onto in order to discredit me.

A desultory polemic to “rebut” me would at least enjoy the merits of requiring some degree of cogitation.
62 Clyde15 (#) Dec 01st, 2012 - 06:12 pm Report abuse
#54
O.K. I accept that you wish to break off diplomatic relations with the UK - that is your personal standpoint.
However, your government still seems to want to keep the “status quo” for whatever reason by keeping an Ambassador in London and the Embassy open. This being the case, then your statement that Argentina “does not have relations with the UK” is factually incorrect. You are quite ruthless in pointing out “factual errors” in others but you are equally guilty of posting incorrect statements.
As you clearly wish to break off any relations with the UK, contact your political representative and get him/her to pass a bill in your legislative assembly to enact this.
I am sure that the UK government could survive this diplomatic reverse.
However, your government seem to think that they gain some advantage keeping the diplomatic channels open.
63 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 01st, 2012 - 06:20 pm Report abuse
@62

Not just the UK, don't feel it is personal. My views on Europe are PELLUCID. At least not until they formally apologize for the period of 1492-1970s... and pay the 154 trillion in accumulated labor costs plus interest.

De facto, Castro has no function...
64 andy65 (#) Dec 01st, 2012 - 06:22 pm Report abuse
@Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#)
Are you not ashamed of the amount of money Kirchner spends prostituting herself and her governmant around South America and soon to be the commonwealth begging for support in her lost cause???? it's simply embarrasing
65 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 01st, 2012 - 06:37 pm Report abuse
@64

Do you believe I will respond to your callow, mendacious attempts at tendentious opprobrium? When you indite a commentary that is remotely based on wordly realities, I may deign to reply.
66 slattzzz (#) Dec 01st, 2012 - 07:54 pm Report abuse
@63 1492 -1970s well you are really scrapping the barrel now you idiot...................1492 FFS, what a TIT
67 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 01st, 2012 - 08:15 pm Report abuse
@66

Just pay up for the 4 centuries and 4 score of free labor, stop carping.
68 Joe Bloggs (#) Dec 01st, 2012 - 08:50 pm Report abuse
67
You pay up.
69 reality check (#) Dec 01st, 2012 - 08:57 pm Report abuse
Only if you accept 30c on the dollar and take the equivelant in pesos. That's after you chase them through the courts for a decade.
70 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 01st, 2012 - 08:57 pm Report abuse
@68

We never had free labor. Slavery was abolished in 1813.

$$$$ ...
71 Clyde15 (#) Dec 01st, 2012 - 09:06 pm Report abuse
#63
To whom should we send this payment - to CFK ?
72 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 01st, 2012 - 09:13 pm Report abuse
@71

How about the 150 million african-americans, and 100 million descendants of native american indentured servitude? That's a start.

As for Argentina, well, if you pay up your debts from the Barings Crisis, and the Spanish and French their debs from our famine aid in the 40s and 50s, and the Italians pay back the loans of the Friendship Centennial fund... I'd be ok with that.
73 reality check (#) Dec 01st, 2012 - 09:23 pm Report abuse
Barings Crisis 1890, LMFHO!!
74 Joe Bloggs (#) Dec 01st, 2012 - 09:38 pm Report abuse
72 What's His Name

Like I said earlier. You really do get yourself in a mess. Are you telling me now that none of your ancestors were involved in slavery?
75 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 01st, 2012 - 09:42 pm Report abuse
@74

Argentina was never a destination of slaves, too cold for sugar plantations and not humid enough for cotton plantations.
76 dab14763 (#) Dec 01st, 2012 - 09:43 pm Report abuse
We never had free labor. Slavery was abolished in 1813.

1813 was Freedom of wombs
1819 was abolition of slave trafficking
1853 was abolition of slave ownership
77 reality check (#) Dec 01st, 2012 - 09:45 pm Report abuse
Barings Crisis 1890.
Falklands settled 1833.
Some people seem to be stuck in a time warp, this is the 21c, try living in it.

“Spanish and French their debs from our famine aid in the 40s and 50s”

Silly me I thought FAMINE AID meant to give, donate, what you mean is pay the debt to you for the food you “Sold” them!
78 Joe Bloggs (#) Dec 01st, 2012 - 09:48 pm Report abuse
75 What's His Name.

Where did your family come from before what is now called Argentina? Answer my question or be branded with the same atrocities you brand us with. Simple as that. Pay up!
79 reality check (#) Dec 01st, 2012 - 09:57 pm Report abuse
I love it when they harp on about how charitable they are, feeding the rest of the world during an unprecedented times in world history. When infact what they meant was, they sold the food and got very rich as a result, well Peron did anyway!

CFK still does it today, “we feed the rest of the world,” no they sell, sell to the rest of the world, well maybe not so much now.
80 Joe Bloggs (#) Dec 01st, 2012 - 10:08 pm Report abuse
I'm going out. What's his name must be stuck trying to Google an answer. Have fun guys but take it easy on him. He's only an Argie. LOL!
81 andy65 (#) Dec 01st, 2012 - 10:41 pm Report abuse
@68 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#)
Can you please tell us where your President the botox queen got her family name from? it certainly is not Spanish-was Nestors mother screwing one of The many Nazi ware criminals your country loved to host.
82 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 01st, 2012 - 10:45 pm Report abuse
@81

You do understand that 99.9% of Germans/Austrians migrated to Argenina before WWII right?

Of course you don't understand, you are a Brit, a monument to the results of inadequate and ruinous education system.
83 andy65 (#) Dec 01st, 2012 - 11:07 pm Report abuse
So what you saying that there was only 1% of the German Austrian population left in them countrys before WW2 you prick?? and yes I would be worried sending my kids to an Argentine primary school to be fed on the propoganda you lot teach them no wonder you all grow up bitter and twisted,but thank you for more or less confirming ARGENTINA IS A COUNTRY MADE UP OF EUROPEAN MIGRANTS.
84 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 01st, 2012 - 11:12 pm Report abuse
99.9 of 10 is 9... so it says nothing about Argentina's make-up.

We are not European. Or does your woebegone, penurious British Ed System also forget to teach about Slavery and the slave trade.
85 JuanGabriel (#) Dec 01st, 2012 - 11:18 pm Report abuse
@83 if the UK education system is inadequate then the world is pretty buggered given it was just adjudged to be one of the best in the world
86 andy65 (#) Dec 01st, 2012 - 11:19 pm Report abuse
Classic example my friend you have problems with your past and your history we British are at ease with ours-so tell us once again who were your former colonial masters?????? or is Spain a country in our imaginations,you are no better than the good people of The Falkland Islands difference being they have a far superior life style through being honest and hard working unlike you miserable lot who not long ago were happy to be throwing each other out of c130 military aircraft into The South Atlantic NICE
87 Joe Bloggs (#) Dec 01st, 2012 - 11:30 pm Report abuse
86 andy65

Argentines weren't slave masters. Their ancestors were but they moved to another part of the world and changed their name. So that means they weren't slave masters.

We Brits were and that's life but the Argies can't swallow it. It doesn't suit their West bashing inferiority complex.
88 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 01st, 2012 - 11:33 pm
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89 andy65 (#) Dec 01st, 2012 - 11:36 pm Report abuse
@87 Joe Bloggs We Brits can be proud of the contributions we have made to the world I wonder besides tins of corned beef what Argentina as contributed.
90 Joe Bloggs (#) Dec 01st, 2012 - 11:37 pm Report abuse
How long do you think that post will stay there?
91 andy65 (#) Dec 01st, 2012 - 11:40 pm Report abuse
@90 Joe Bloggs Even he must be getting tired of being made a fool unless ofcourse he's a chip of crissys block
92 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 01st, 2012 - 11:41 pm Report abuse
@89

British education at its best.

As you are still a monolingual bunch that will lose big time in the 21st century from it.
93 Joe Bloggs (#) Dec 02nd, 2012 - 12:00 am Report abuse
92 What's His Name

LOL! You always do this don't you. LOL!

I don't f,king believe it. I just went to the garage and washed the 110 and packed everything up. Now Mrs Bloggs wants her vehicle washed. Oh well at least it's smaller but being black it has to be chamoised as well otherwise it streaks. I wonder what her last slave died of.
94 Clyde15 (#) Dec 02nd, 2012 - 12:02 am Report abuse
#92
I think we will manage with English thank you as everyone else seems to want to learn it. It certainly will not be S.A Spanish.
I would refer you to the websitewww.plainenglish.co.uk/
This may help you to write in a form free of bloated and archaic words not in general use which obscure the message that you are attempting to deliver.
95 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 02nd, 2012 - 12:15 am Report abuse
@94

You are predictable brits.

Yes, please keep that mindset. It's the same mindset the music companies had about the internet in the 90s (“no one will ever want to listen to music without an album and proper packacking”)... and the same thing French wine makers said about OZ, Chilean, and Mendoza wine (“the consumer will never want Australian SHIraz, Chilean cabernet, or those weird grapes called Malbec and Torrontes”)...

I'm almost done with German, French, getting there with Portuguese, and after that full time with Mandarin.

I'm leaving 99.9% of English competition in the dust... even in their own language where I know more words than 99.997% of you.

Who do you think they will choose in the “globalized” economy you all spout about so much all the time?
96 Joe Bloggs (#) Dec 02nd, 2012 - 12:24 am Report abuse
95 What's His Name

They wom't choose you. Remember? You'll be locked up in your own country, doing nothing with anyone other than your fellow slave-trading Argentines, all living in your West-funded witness protection program.

Like I said earlier. You really get yourself in a mess on here don't you.

Chuckle chuckle.
97 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 02nd, 2012 - 12:39 am Report abuse
@96

You don't undestand isolationism do you... Isolationism is a NATION-STATE policy, not a policy at an individual level. Individuals should be free to do whatever they wish.

Isolationism serves Argentina by not allowing corrupt, depraved, iniquitous foreign nations (governments) from taking advantage of it. Isolationism is not a policy lead at the individual level. A country can be isolationist but the citizen still has to provide for himself, and must be ready to outcompete anyone.

Ultimately, if isolationism is succesful, you can operate from within your country and either make a living locally or from your homeland by providing superior skills to exterior companies... but that still leaves the country protected because those are individual arrangements, private arrangements... not something that will hold the entire nation hostage.

The country itself should stay out of international organizations and not be allies with anyone. I've always said an isolationist nation/society can still trade with others, by using direct cash or barter.
98 andy65 (#) Dec 02nd, 2012 - 12:40 am Report abuse
95 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#)
Máximo Kirchner y una chacra que cuesta más de US$2 millones

Looks like your fellow countrymen are far from happy with The Botox queens Fat son Maximo and his $2 million house-who paid for that then? looks like Old Crissy has had her fingers in the cash register again TUT TUT
99 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 02nd, 2012 - 01:10 am Report abuse
How much does Buckingham Palace cost?

Check mate.
100 andy65 (#) Dec 02nd, 2012 - 01:37 am Report abuse
Buckingham Palace is owned by the nation you creep,thats why Argentina is one of the most corupt nations in the world Ranked 100, Kirchner and her lap dog Tin Man are bleeding your country dry,you would have thought in 30 years after The Great British helped you get rid of an evil military Junta you have not been able to elect a President thats not corupt what does that say about your politcle system JAJAJA
101 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 02nd, 2012 - 01:40 am Report abuse
You would have thought that the Great Argentines helping you stay alive during WWII you would be a little more quiet.

And so “the nation” owns that palace... So how many nights have you slept in it?
102 andy65 (#) Dec 02nd, 2012 - 01:53 am Report abuse
Argentina stayed nutral for most of 2nd world war after all you had so many nazis and Austrians there by your own account-oh and by the way I live on South Coast of England far superior than your shanty towns in BA I have a big enough house all paid for so no need to use the palace
103 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 02nd, 2012 - 02:00 am
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104 andy65 (#) Dec 02nd, 2012 - 02:04 am Report abuse
why would I want to sleep there you baboon my names not maximo,i just heard that that witch alica Castro helped bankcrupt that dreadful airline Aerolines Argentines by drinking the on board duty free the only country I know thats national airline goes bust so the president nationalises it,Argentina would not last 2 minutes in the free market.
105 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 02nd, 2012 - 02:12 am Report abuse
@104

Kinda like British banking would not last 2 minutes in the free market either without bailouts.
106 andy65 (#) Dec 02nd, 2012 - 02:18 am Report abuse
fact is we are major part of the biggest free market in the world -how about you and yes WE bailed our own banks out and helped several other countrys with theres just like we send aid to your country believe it or not.
107 British_Kirchnerist (#) Dec 02nd, 2012 - 02:23 am Report abuse
Must admit the “No we're not going to the Malvinas” was nicely done. A pity that some Argentine press - but also mercopress, does that make this site a Comical Ali too?! - fell for it, as did I, and posted under that assumption on the other thread. Oh well...
108 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 02nd, 2012 - 02:27 am Report abuse
Whatever needs to be bailed out means it would have been destroyed in the “free” market. And no you don't aid Argentina, “aid” counts in things like the Pierre Auger Observatory... which is an international project that counts as “aid”.
109 ynsere (#) Dec 02nd, 2012 - 02:36 am Report abuse
Nostro-Whatsit @ 75
Wrong. At one time a significant proportion of the population of Buenos Aires was black. Why do you make so many statements that can be proved untrue in a matter of minutes?
www.cecilgoitia.com.ar/negros.htm
110 andy65 (#) Dec 02nd, 2012 - 02:42 am Report abuse
Yes we do ais Argentina

AN e-petition has been placed on the HM Government petition website calling for the UK Government to stop giving financial aid to countries, such as Argentina, who act against British policies, peoples and beliefs.

Wayne John Faulkner has petitioned the Department for International Development, noting, ”We the undersigned, being concerned at the senseless waste of British taxpayers money, call upon the UK Government, to stop giving money and assistance to countries who act against British Policies, peoples and beliefs. In particular we object to Overseas aid to India, a country with a space program and the World's second fastest growing economy behind that of China; to Argentina, through our guarantees to both the World Bank and contributions to European Union Aid, a country that continues to oppress the Falkland Islands and its lawful population of British Citizens; and certain voting member countries of the Organisation of American States (OAS), that are also in receipt of British Overseas Aid, yet align themselves against British Interests in the South Atlantic. Together, we insist that Overseas Aid is subject to rigorous assessment regarding how such Aid is awarded and includes a proviso that there is active promotion and support of British Interests.”
111 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 02nd, 2012 - 02:45 am Report abuse
@109

What does proportionality have to do with anything? It proves nothing except that you conflated the issues.

If you have 10000 slaves in a city of 30000, is it a significant proportion? yes.

But the issue was Argentina in proportion to the Americas... 10000 slaves is a drop in the bucket vs 1 million slaves to Brazil, 1 million slaves to Gran Colombia, 1 million slaves to the Caribbean, 1 milion slaves to the USA, etc...
112 reality check (#) Dec 02nd, 2012 - 07:37 am Report abuse
@101
Here we go again, alternate view of historical facts.

“You would have thought that the Great Argentines helping you stay alive during WWII you would be a little more quiet.”

You sold the UK food at an inflated price and did very nicely out of it, so plese, pack in the false benevolance claim.

At the end of the war, you demanded payment from a country, instrumental in defeating Nazism, much to the chagrin, hopes and inspirations of your el Presidente Peron.

In 1947 Clement ATTLEE negotiated payment in kind, which provided you with the then state of the art Jet Technology, The Gloster Meteor. Argentine pilots and technician were brought to the UK and trained to fly and maintain the aircraft. You received more than 100 of them and 17 Bombers. That made you the 7th Nation in the world and the only counrty in S America to have the technology.

Not a bad trade, for “keeping us alive” during the war!

Those my RG revisionist are the true facts.
113 Leiard (#) Dec 02nd, 2012 - 09:20 am Report abuse
Hey Guys and Gals, let’s not knock our dear Nostrolldamus The 2nd.

He is, after all, one of the most humble, knowledgeable and truthful of all posters on the internet.

We have all learnt of his great wisdom, fantastic grasp of languages and outstanding IQ.

We should be grateful that he can spare such a large amount of his valuable time trying to enlighten us.

Even poor Think becomes a mere mortal when in his presence.

It is a shame that he lets himself down a little by the way he keeps forgetting his name, but let’s be charitable and forgive this minor weakness.
114 Shed-time (#) Dec 02nd, 2012 - 09:47 am Report abuse
I've decided to provide a brief summary what we've learned today from a La Campora Brown-shirt.

a) Maximo 'Obese' Kirchner is the Argentinian equivalent of our head of state, the Queen and deserves to live in a presidential palace.
b) Isolationism rather than just remaining isolated, involves learning lots of languages so you can communicate effectively with people's of other nationalities.

What we haven't learned from the La Campora Brown-shirt:
c) Where did the $2billion for the new planes for Aerolingus 'Plummet' Airlines go after being given to La Campora?
d) Why did the $560million profits for the sale of YPF under Menem go into, and remain in, a 'personal bank' account of an unnamed individual?
e) When is Mr Obese taking charge of the dictatorship?

I'd like some answers on the final points, thanks Tobias.
115 ynsere (#) Dec 02nd, 2012 - 01:33 pm Report abuse
Nostro-Whatsit at 111
You're so full of sh*t!
116 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 02nd, 2012 - 03:04 pm Report abuse
@110,112,113,114,115

Noetic justice.
117 andy65 (#) Dec 02nd, 2012 - 03:25 pm Report abuse
Nostro is very similar to the botox queen, especially in the shit that comes out of his mouth
ARGENTINA ALWAYS THE VICTIM.
118 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 02nd, 2012 - 03:41 pm Report abuse
If the rest of the planet would stop seeking our economic subjucgation, we would cease stating the truth, that were are standing up against the entire planet who cannot stand the thought of a succesful, prosperous Argentina.

Too much jealousy across Latin America
Too much vengefulness across North America
Too much animus across the British Isles
Too much antipathy across Spain, Gemany, Italy and the rest of Europe

So they have all united to essay distabiliization. Pathetic!
119 Clyde15 (#) Dec 02nd, 2012 - 05:42 pm Report abuse
#118
I presume the definition of animus you mean refers to ill will and spitefulness towards Argentina.
Could there possibly be a reason for this ?
Let me see......
Could it have anything to do with an unprovoked invasion by your country -not a Junta - but your country, against a lightly defended island group called the Falklands.
The sight of your troops swaggering about Stanley has influenced British opinion to this day. I can still remember the scenes from Buenos Aires of crowds cheering, waving flags and screaming
A-R-G-E-N-T-I-N-A.
My reaction was that we are going to have sort these bastards out and we did !
The result of your action cost the lives of many people for no real purpose.
Thirty years on, we have it all starting again and you have the cheek to wonder why we distrust your country ! Has the leopard changed its spots...I do not think so.
My reply also is that there is too much animus, jealousy and vengefulness in Argentina towards anyone who does not agree with their perception of the world
I have no objections to a prosperous Argentina....good luck to you if you can carry it through without screwing everyone else on the way.
Your thoughts of Argentina being the only country on the planet with the correct model of economic and social stability reminds me of the following anecdote.
The parents of a soldier are watching the regiment marching through their home town.
“Look” says the mother“they are all out of step but our Jock ”

ps. As a linguist you should try proof reading before you post
There is no“c” in subjugation. I thought that this was a new obscure word taken from a thesaurus but it was just a spelling mistake.
Likewise distabilization has only one letter “i”

I leave you with this thought
Talach a' ghille ghlic -- 'ga itheadh agus 'ga chain-eadh !
120 St.John (#) Dec 02nd, 2012 - 05:45 pm Report abuse
Right now Seabourn Sojourn is en route from Port William to Montevideo, arriving tomorrow Monday @ 13:00 local - probably to visit me, who is on vacation in Monte this week, staying 2 blocks from the port with a wonderful view over it from the roof terrace. Just set my phone alarm to 12:30.

www.seascanner.com/schiffsposition.php?schiff=Seabourn+Sojourn
121 Doggy Rap (#) Dec 02nd, 2012 - 05:55 pm Report abuse
32 whatever name you use today.

“All British ships are banned from all ports in the Argentine Republic”

A very Argentine move.

Argentina has (well, had) a trade surplus with the UK - wave goodbye to US$ 500,000,000 in much needed foreign currency.
122 agent999 (#) Dec 02nd, 2012 - 06:04 pm Report abuse
@113
Hey Guys and Gals, let’s not knock our dear Nostrolldamus The 2nd.

He is, after all, one of the most humble, knowledgeable and truthful of all posters on the internet.

We have all learnt of his great wisdom, fantastic grasp of languages and outstanding IQ.

We should be grateful that he can spare such a large amount of his valuable time trying to enlighten us.

Even poor Think becomes a mere mortal when in his presence.

Doveoverdover is just one of Think's imaginary friends.
123 Doggy Rap (#) Dec 02nd, 2012 - 06:09 pm Report abuse
75 TTT is as usual lying through his teeth:

“Argentina was never a destination of slaves, ...”

In the 1880s Domingo Sarmiento proudly wrote that
“the banners of the African nations that one used to see at the old carnival celebrations now had been replaced by the flags of the various French, Italian and Spanish clubs and societies.”

(George Reid Andrews: “The Afro-Argentines of Buenos Aires: 1890-1900”, University of Wisconsin Press, 1980, p. 106)
124 Conqueror (#) Dec 02nd, 2012 - 06:09 pm Report abuse
@36 You're wasting your time on here. “All the laws apply and are enforced WITHIN Argentina, not the Falklands.” So the Falklands aren't part of argieland! Thanks.
@54 UN Charter, Article 51.
@56 How disappointing. Have you informed the Bahamian government? Both they and the UN seem to believe that they are a sovereign independent nation.
@70 What a shame you can't research you r own history “argieland” didn't abolish slavery until 1853. Twenty years AFTER Britain! And forty-seven years after Britain abolished the slave trade.
@75 Why's that? Too busy enslaving the local population?
@84 Major ethnic:
European —mostly Italian, Spaniard, French, ethnic German and Slavic ancestry— 86.4%
The demography of argieland.
@95 Not you for a start.
@97 What sort of “superior skills” were you thinking of? Belligerency, corruption, criminality, debt evasion, faggotry, genocide, mendacity, racism, theft (attempted), xenophobia?
@101 Is that why our troops used to refer to your crap as bully beef?
@118 What's that, one of your new “definitions”? Paying your debts = economic subjugation. In that case, I reckon we should foreclose. There must be thousands of square miles of the South Atlantic that haven't had argies dropped in it. (For the sake of the faint-hearted, I differentiate between argies and Argentines. From the latest figures I have seen, argies, i.e. like so many of our malvinista wastes of time, form 60% of the population. Shame isn't it?)
125 Joe Bloggs (#) Dec 02nd, 2012 - 06:12 pm Report abuse
120 St John

Now that does look like a nice itinerary. Enjoy Montevideo in vacation mode and enjoy seeing the Sojourn.
126 St.John (#) Dec 02nd, 2012 - 06:16 pm Report abuse
A fly on the wall in Seabourn's Ushuaia office heard the following conversation:

Arg.: “Are you going to the Islas Malvinas”? (wink-wink)

Seabourn rep.: “Well, next port is Port William on the Falkland Islands”

Arg.: “Oh, but definitely not the Islas Malvinas”? (wink-wink)

Seabourn rep.: “Ah, I get it! No, of course not, certainly not!”

Arg.: “Thank god, or else we stood to lose the 500,000 US$ your passengers are about to spend in Ushuaia”
127 Doggy Rap (#) Dec 02nd, 2012 - 06:36 pm Report abuse
@ 118 whatever name you use today

“If the rest of the planet would stop seeking our economic subjucgation”

African elephant and Argentine mouse crossing bridge.
“Ain't we rumbling”, says mouse.

Argentina?
That's a district of Durban, ain't it? or is it somewhere in Asia? or maybe a province of Australia?
128 St.John (#) Dec 02nd, 2012 - 06:39 pm Report abuse
You should be able to watch Seabourn Sojourn enter Montevideo at about 13:00 local time (15:00 GMT) here:

camaras.adinet.com.uy/inicio/index/14

You can almost see me too (use good looking glass :), staying in the direction of the tower on top of the house a little to the left of the middle of the pic, three blocks closer to the port.
129 reality check (#) Dec 02nd, 2012 - 07:39 pm Report abuse
Had a look. information surrounding screen says 32C and sunny, you lucky devil. Could not make your place out, sorry.
130 Shed-time (#) Dec 02nd, 2012 - 08:20 pm Report abuse
@126 that strategy could work every day of the week. The feeble minded fools would refuse to understand that the next port was in the falklands and you're not lying if you say you're categorically NOT going to 'las malvinas'.

It only falls apart if they ask if you're going to the falklands, but i'm guessing the imbeciles involved wouldn't be able to figure that one out.
131 toooldtodieyoung (#) Dec 02nd, 2012 - 08:25 pm Report abuse
113 Leiard

I've got a better idea..... We mere mortals on this forum have christen Nostrolldamus The 2nd “Tito the Clown Troll”, As far as I know, this username is not in use and he is quite welcome to it. Therefore, if he ever should forget his name or username, we would be happy to tell him.

“We have all learnt of his great wisdom, fantastic grasp of languages and outstanding IQ.”

Well you see my learned friend, only this morning I downloaded, onto my computer, for free, from the Microsoft website, a:-

“Forum Bullsh*t detector”

and while you may cream your jeans when friend Nostrolldamus The 2nd posts something, it sends my detector off the f*cking scale!!!

Strangely, I tried it out on one of “Think”'s posts and it did the same thing........... I couldn't for the life of me work out why that was..........
132 Britworker (#) Dec 02nd, 2012 - 08:29 pm Report abuse
More filthy argentine lies, so their terrorism tactics don't appear to have worked, I would have been surprised if an American cruise company would have capitulated to terrorism. Argentines truly are lying scum!
133 Shed-time (#) Dec 02nd, 2012 - 09:38 pm Report abuse
@132 La Campora terrorise people in Argentina, and they terrorise people in the Falklands (not Argentina), and technically this makes them international terrorists. Because they are sponsored by the state, through massive amounts of money swindled out of Aerolingus Argentinas (allegedly) they're state sponsored international terrorists, ideologically aligned with Adolf Hitler.

Now, I remember what George W Bush specifically said about state sponsored international terrorism, and I don't think some Seattle company wants to be seen to be pandering to that. The PR department wouldn't like it.
134 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 03rd, 2012 - 01:55 am Report abuse
@123

Right, as if any anglo-saxon historian has any credibility whatsoever talking non-anglo-saxon nation histories. Everyone knows anglo-saxon history books inter all the negative about their history, and exult any positive. And only speak of the negatives about other countries.

That's why the Hungarians are considered to be the best historians.
135 Troy Tempest (#) Dec 03rd, 2012 - 07:14 am Report abuse
@134 Nozzy

Replace Anglo-Saxon with Argentinian, to read correctly,
“Right, as if any Argentinian historian has any credibility whatsoever talking non-Argentinian nation histories. Everyone knows Argentinian, La Campora history books inter all the negative about their history, and exult any positive. And only speak of the negatives about other countries.
136 andy65 (#) Dec 03rd, 2012 - 10:54 am Report abuse
134 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) The words Kettle calling the pot come to mind what about how Argies brainwash there school kids with propoganda? YES KIDS
137 ChrisR (#) Dec 03rd, 2012 - 11:37 am Report abuse
@134 The Child Who Does Not Know Its Name

Ever heard of 'history is always written by the winners'?

I realise that this is an alien concept to you, living as you do in a country that is always losing.

BTW what does it matter if 'the Bahamas head of state sits in London'? Your head of state sits in the Casa Rosada with her head in cloud cuckoo land.
138 Shed-time (#) Dec 03rd, 2012 - 12:18 pm Report abuse
@137 I though Tobias told us their head of state was that Maximo chap in his palace.

Maybe I was wrong.
139 St.John (#) Dec 03rd, 2012 - 03:07 pm Report abuse
Saw her arrive from the roof terrace - nice ship.

Now visible in the basin closest to Rio de la Plata.

camaras.adinet.com.uy/inicio/index/14
140 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 03rd, 2012 - 04:01 pm Report abuse
@137

The problem here is... You have not won a single battle or even skirmish in Argentina, ever.

1806: “On 4 August 1806, Liniers landed at Las Conchas, north of Buenos Aires, and advanced with a mixed force of Buenos Aires line troops and Montevideo Militia toward the city. On 10 August he took control of the strategic points of Miserere and El Retiro, holding the north and west entries to the city. Beresford finally surrendered on 14 August.”

1807: “By the end of 5 July, the British controlled Retiro and Residencia[17] at the cost of about 70 officers and 1,000 other ranks killed or wounded,[18] but the city's centre was still in the hands of the defenders, and the invaders were now demoralized. At this point, a counter-attack by the militias and colonial troops present, defeated many important British commanders, including Robert Crauford and Dennis Pack. Then Whitelocke proposed a 24-hour truce, which was rejected by Liniers, who ordered an artillery attack. After suffering 311 killed, 679 wounded and 1,808 captured or missing,[1] Whitelocke signed an armistice on 12 August.”

1845: “After the failure of the expedition to the Parana, Ouseley wrote to his government requesting 10,000 British soldiers, 10,000 French soldiers and an open declaration of war to conclude the conflict. However, unknown to him, Tomás Samuel Hood was already navigating to Buenos Aires with the opposite instructions from the allied countries: negotiate an end to the hostilities, at whatever price Rosas demanded.”

You probably are the saddest example of Britishism. You as a country do have many fine moments in battle in your 1000 year history... yet you try to deny similar monents to others through the use of mendacity, outright lies, or a consummate dishonesty and lack of integrity which is frankly appalling.

And in spite all of that... Your “comment” has nothing to do with anything. The Afro-Argentine Question has nothing to do with the British.
141 Simon68 (#) Dec 03rd, 2012 - 04:56 pm Report abuse
140 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#)
Dec 03rd, 2012 - 04:01 pm

Can you please rell me what the “Invasiones ingleses” and the battle of “la Vuelta de Obligado” have to do with “Excellent weather for “Seabourn Sojourn” on her Friday Falklands’ call”????????
142 Steve-32-uk (#) Dec 03rd, 2012 - 05:48 pm Report abuse
'A cruise violated the law of Gaucho Rivero'

www.ushuaianoticias.com/noticias/leer/11317-un-crucero-violo-la-ley-de-gaucho-rivero.html
“'will ask and supportive sister republics of Chile and Uruguay to refuse permission for these pirates port if they try to continue their provocation doing Malvinas route from Montevideo or Punta Arenas”
143 ynsere (#) Dec 03rd, 2012 - 06:58 pm Report abuse
I sincerely hope President Mujica remembers that a few week ago he stated that Uruguay would do nothing to further a blockade of the Falkland Islands. I also hope he remembers that last week he said he was sick and tired of Argentine bullying. Unfortunately our president is well-known for being two-faced (“como te digo una cosa te digo la otra”) and he shown determination in standing up to Argentina.
144 Clyde15 (#) Dec 03rd, 2012 - 07:11 pm Report abuse
#140
A technical point, was Argentina a country in 1807 ?
I notice that some 600 black African slaves took part in the battles - I thought someone said that their were no slaves in“ARGENTINA”
However, credit where it is due, the British were comprehensively beaten in this theatre.
That was over 160 years ago and would not be indicative of current conditions prevailing. Would your country like a rematch, bearing in mind that we would not have to put a foot on the soil of your fair country - I use the adjective fair as meaning scenically attractive - NOT as unbiased.
145 Pirat-Hunter (#) Dec 03rd, 2012 - 07:49 pm
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146 andy65 (#) Dec 03rd, 2012 - 08:04 pm Report abuse
Pirat-Hunter why are you people so STUPID ?look at your history you are born of SPANISH PIRATES and if you are so comfortable in your bullying then go it alone and stop bullying the rest of South America into behaving like the childish bullying nation you are, furthermore instead of bullying a population of 3000 people why doesn't Argentina try to bully us,have you forgotton what happened to you creeps back in 82? you were bricking it not long ago when a modern destroyer was in your area lets just hope the botox queen does not push this to far,we British might not prance around burning flags and desroying Argentine interest but when push comes to shove think about it.
147 GFace (#) Dec 03rd, 2012 - 08:33 pm Report abuse
@142, I'd call a ship, any ship, where the passengers are subjected to bingo, casino nights, and on one very special episode of Quincy (because they were ALL very special episodes) some mysterious disease, and don't get me started with a episode by episode rundown of Love Boat -- all delivered by a terrifyingly cheerful cruise director -- a whole lot of things. However, pirates and provocateurs wouldn't be on the list.

Ease down in the drama, girls.
148 Pirat-Hunter (#) Dec 03rd, 2012 - 08:48 pm
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149 andy65 (#) Dec 03rd, 2012 - 10:26 pm Report abuse
@Pirat-Hunter If they exist in your country and you have the finance I suggest you see a shrink of some kind,the word NUTTER comes to mind
150 Pete Bog (#) Dec 03rd, 2012 - 10:38 pm Report abuse
@148
“I offer 2000 $ reward to anyone willing to sink any pirate ships around Islas Malvinas Argentina.”

Ha ha ha ha ha ha!
I think you'll find one Argentine pirate ship is holed up in Ghana and another is broken down in South Africa and the ship that was going to join that one broke down a few miles from pirate land.

You can save your money, just get your pirate ships to open fire on the Royal Navy and they'll blow your 'scrapyard challenges 'to kingdom come for free! What a pity the RAF retired Sea Eagle years ago (you know ,the missile that made Exocet look like a paper dart?).

Another reason your money would be wasted paying someone to attack Argentine pirate ships is that they they would inevitably break down begging the prince in the yellow helicopter to fly all the way down and rescue them. Should the Falklanders allow your museum pieces to dock (the Charles Cooper and Lady Elizabeth are in better shape than your Argentine pirate ships) , you'll find that NML will gladly take them away for scrap.
151 Clyde15 (#) Dec 03rd, 2012 - 10:47 pm Report abuse
#148
Come on macho man, why don't you come back to Argentina and do it yourself - oh, I forgot it would take a modicum of guts to do that.
You are just full of piss and wind and a craven coward.
You back up Argentina from about 4000 miles away - on the internet where you are safe from REAL men.
152 andy65 (#) Dec 03rd, 2012 - 11:47 pm Report abuse
@Pirat-Hunter (#) is it true this idiot lives in Canada whos parents fled Argentina? what a joke at least we can suppoprt our cause from our homeland you loser-if you think Crissy the botox queen is so good go live under her rule.
153 Anbar (#) Dec 04th, 2012 - 12:48 am Report abuse
“”“”“”“ I am also willing to provide any tools for completing the task.”“”“””

I can think of only one Tool that you can definitely supply....

:-0
154 Santa Fe (#) Dec 04th, 2012 - 07:58 am Report abuse
140...Cant you do better than a battle hundreds of years ago, on your home turf???
Try the second world war...oops forgot didnt fight, first...same again.
The Falklands oops sorry lost that one didnt you, a smaller force travelling 8000 miles over hostile seas beat a well dug in and numerically superior force of RGs.jajajajaja

Sent your mighty navy to retake the islands, we will wait until your mighty sailing frigate and flagship get out of debtors prison :)
155 WestisBest (#) Dec 04th, 2012 - 09:44 am Report abuse
@140

“The problem here is... You have not won a single battle or even skirmish in Argentina, ever. ”

I thought there was a skirmish in a place you lot call the Malvinas not so long ago which, according to your government, was part of Argentina.

How did that one turn out again?

If you fancy another roll of the dice then give it your best shot. Losers.
156 Shed-time (#) Dec 04th, 2012 - 02:06 pm Report abuse
@155 That could be a joke:

Q. How many argentinians does it take to change a lightbulb?
A. 61. 1 to play russian roulette with a hand-cuffed falklands farmer and his family, and 60 to get shot-up on a beach on South Georgia.
157 dab14763 (#) Dec 04th, 2012 - 04:00 pm Report abuse
“The problem here is... You have not won a single battle or even skirmish in Argentina, ever.”

The Anglo-French fleet did win at Vuelta de Obligado, but it was a pyrrhic victory.
158 St.John (#) Dec 05th, 2012 - 12:09 am Report abuse
@ 140 Nostroll-TTT

“You have not won a single battle or even skirmish in Argentina, ever.”

- because the war in 1982 was in the British Falkland Islands.
159 agent999 (#) Dec 05th, 2012 - 10:05 am Report abuse
Current position of M/S Seabourn Sojourn: Montevideo/Uruguay
Time of departure to Port Stanley/Falkland Islands (at 14:00 h local time)

www.seascanner.com/schiffsposition.php?schiff=Seabourn+Sojourn
160 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 05th, 2012 - 03:24 pm Report abuse
@158

I know. Good thing because that keeps us undefeated against all European nations who tried to bully us within our territory.
161 andy65 (#) Dec 09th, 2012 - 05:53 pm Report abuse
Your Territory? you are European Immagrants from Spanish pirates

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