Friday, November 30th 2012 - 06:02 UTC

Seabourn Cruise Line no longer will call at the Falklands, reports Ushuaia media

The Bahamas flagged cruise vessel ‘Seabourn Sojourn’ that on Thursday berthed at Ushuaia reported to Argentine port authorities it has no plans to visit the Falklands/Malvinas Islands according to press reports from the capital of Argentine Tierra del Fuego.

The 32.000 tons “Seabourn Sojourn” with its 450 visitors berthed at Ushuaia

Apparently the Seattle based Seabourn Cruise Line told the local officials in Ushuaia that “Malvinas are no longer in the company’s tourism itinerary”.

If this is confirmed it would be the third cruise vessel this season that has avoided the Falkland Islands pressed by Argentina and the latest scenes of violence and intimidation in Buenos Aires against local maritime and cruise agents.

The other vessels that missed the Falklands on short notice this season were the Adia Cara and the Veendam.

To these must be added similar incidents in February 2012 when three other cruise vessels, the Star Princess, Adonia and Balmoral were impeded from docking in Ushuaia because of having previously called in the Falklands.

The ‘legal’ base for implementing such measures is the “Gaucho Rivero Bill”, a provincial law voted by the local legislatures from the provinces of Tierra del Fuego, Santa Cruz, Chubut, Rio Negro and Buenos Aires.

The legislation impeding access to the ports of these provinces refers basically to British or convenience flagged vessels involved in the Falklands’ hydrocarbons industry, but local unions, Malvinas veterans’ groups and wet politicians have extended the interpretation to the cruise industry.

The Ushuaia media points out that this has been a very busy week for the port with the arrival of 5.165 visitors from a long list of cruise vessels: Veendam with 1.350 pax; Aida Cara with 1.200; Stella Autralis, 210; Seabourn Sojourn with 450; National Geographic Explorer with 148 and Le Boreal, 264.

Last season 2011/2012, Ushuaia received 82% of the 89 calls of non-Antarctic cruises and 87% of the 205 calls from cruises visiting Antarctica points out the local media. The cruise season in Ushuaia took off with the Via Australis last September 18 and should be over next 7 April with the Veendam. Four days earlier concludes the Antarctic cruise season with the Ushuaia.

Following last week’s violent incidents in Buenos Aires terrorizing maritime and cruise agents operating with the Falklands, the Foreign Office announced it would increase international pressure on Argentina because it would not allow “the Falklands’ economy to be strangled”

“We are very concerned because we have been informed that a cruise company has decided to cancel visits to the Falklands following the intimidation of its agents in Buenos Aires”, said a Foreign Office spokesperson.

“It is shameful that elements from a big country as Argentina are trying to asphyxiate the economy of a small group of islands” said the spokesperson adding that “we will take all the necessary measures to support the people of the Falkland Islands”.

The UK is expected to file claims before the International Maritime Organization, the European Union and by extension the World Trade Organization plus talking with the cruise industry.

The Falkland Islands government made a similar release earlier this week.
 

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1 CJvR (#) Nov 30th, 2012 - 06:23 am Report abuse
Next chapter of “Asterix in the South Atlantic” it seems.
2 agent999 (#) Nov 30th, 2012 - 07:39 am Report abuse
blog.seabourn.com/stanley-falkland-islands
3 toxictaxitrader2 (#) Nov 30th, 2012 - 08:26 am Report abuse
Call at the Falklands/Malvinas after visiting Argentina ???
4 Lord Ton (#) Nov 30th, 2012 - 09:15 am Report abuse
“has no plans” ..... hmm, how very unenlightening ... almost, politispeak .....
5 agent999 (#) Nov 30th, 2012 - 09:41 am Report abuse
www.seabourn.com/find-luxury-cruise-vacation/FindCruises.action?portCode=PSY&sourceName=byPort

www.seabourn.com/luxury-cruise-destinations/Shore-Excursions!viewExcursions.action?destCode=S&portCode=PSY
6 stick up your junta (#) Nov 30th, 2012 - 09:53 am Report abuse
Cruises visiting Port Stanley, Falkland Islands during January 2013

www.cruisetimetables.com/visitingportstanleyfalklandislands-jan2013.html
7 Orbit (#) Nov 30th, 2012 - 10:07 am Report abuse
Wow, what a great country Argentina is ... a laughing stock on the world stage, its dirty washing being dragged out in courtrooms across the continents .... and its only successes achieved through kristallnacht thuggery and intimidation. How proud you must be.
8 ChrisR (#) Nov 30th, 2012 - 10:52 am Report abuse
I have sent this company an email regarding their decision to give in to thuggery and asking them if they realise the risk of their passengers being robbed, raped and killed while they are in BsAs has increased considerably since the dissatisfaction with the government.

I have also mentioned that four couples, friends of ours still in the UK are taking one of their four cruises they take each year to South America for 2013 but will NOT be going anywhere near this despotic country, as they are not stupid. This precludes them from using Seaborn.

They will of course be talking about this to their other friends who also regularly take cruises.
9 Islas Malvinas (#) Nov 30th, 2012 - 11:18 am Report abuse
Malvinas are no longer in the company’s tourism itinerary.

:)
10 GALlamosa (#) Nov 30th, 2012 - 11:23 am Report abuse
The vessel is in and tours are taking place on a fine spring morning. Those are the facts, the rest is b******t.
11 Swiss Bob (#) Nov 30th, 2012 - 11:23 am Report abuse
Why am I reminded of Veruca Salt?
12 JuanGabriel (#) Nov 30th, 2012 - 11:24 am Report abuse
@5 seems legit, I can't see 'Malvinas' in those itineries at all, in fact i'm pretty sure there won't be any vessel visiting 'Malvinas' this year, next year or any year in the future.
13 Huntsman Extraordinaire (#) Nov 30th, 2012 - 11:27 am Report abuse
I don't blame the company. At the end of the day they are having their staff threatened and attacked because they are doing something the government doesn't like. Any reasonable company would act in the same manor to protect it's interests and staff.

I am disgusted that this is happening though. It is seriously time that Argentina starts getting some of it's own medicine. The IMF review can't come soon enough because Argentina needs to feel what an embargo feels like! Not that that would really change much I suppose since they've pretty much already embargo'd themselves trade wise. Tourism would be where I imagine RG land would suffer most. Ban all flights and ships going to RGland and out of RGland.

Heres to creating a petition on HM Gov website!
14 Brit Bob (#) Nov 30th, 2012 - 11:38 am Report abuse
The good news is that a default is looming for Argentina on 15th December and the IMF will be in town with their 'Red Card' on the 17th December so this will guarantee a Merry Christmas for all of Argentina.
15 Britworker (#) Nov 30th, 2012 - 11:39 am Report abuse
Im sure the foreign office are already dealing with this, im sure it wont be long before we are hitting them where it hurts. Its pretty shameful to see a US based company giving in to terrorism though.
16 Dean street (#) Nov 30th, 2012 - 11:42 am Report abuse
‘Seabourn Sojourn’ now in Port William.

Passengers will be disembarking in about 30 or so minutes from time of writing.

To view passengers arriving in Stanley, click the following:

www.webcams.horizon.co.fk/

Kindest regards from the Falkland Islands
17 ptolemy (#) Nov 30th, 2012 - 12:01 pm Report abuse
Colonial terrorism.
18 GALlamosa (#) Nov 30th, 2012 - 12:07 pm Report abuse
The capital of Argentine Patagonia got it wrong. The vessel probably said, “Bye chaps, we are now off to the Falklands”, and that when RG logic and wishful thinking was applied turned into “We are not going to the Malvinas.”

Hee hee.
19 M_of_FI (#) Nov 30th, 2012 - 12:18 pm Report abuse
The Seabourn Sojourn is currently sitting in Port William. So Malvanistas, how are you going respond to that?
20 JuanGabriel (#) Nov 30th, 2012 - 12:28 pm Report abuse
Sibahle Ngwenya ‏@mamtimande
God loving IHS graduate/Crew(Stewardess)/Seabourn Cruiseliner

2:26am, en route to Port Stanley, Falkland Islands. Goodnyt
21 Orbit (#) Nov 30th, 2012 - 12:38 pm Report abuse
dragging its dirty washing through international courts, thuggery and now state dominated media lying through its teeth. well, well, well. I am shocked. Its just a paragon of integrity and morality.
22 JuanGabriel (#) Nov 30th, 2012 - 12:44 pm Report abuse
www.webcams.horizon.co.fk/fullscreen_cam2.html

looks like some cheerfull cruise passengers enjoying the beautiful falklands weather
23 Huntsman Extraordinaire (#) Nov 30th, 2012 - 01:00 pm Report abuse
Wish I was with em!

Come on HM Gov! Approve my awesome petition!
24 aussie sunshine (#) Nov 30th, 2012 - 01:10 pm Report abuse
WELL THE SEA BOURNE CRUISES ARE NO LONGER ON MY ITINENARY OR THOSE OF MY STAFF...........
25 Pirate Love (#) Nov 30th, 2012 - 01:22 pm Report abuse
Argentina using terrorism towards a far smaller peaceful nation yet again,
COWARDS thats what you are argentina and all you will ever be, plain and simple!

17000 cowards to every one victorious falklander FACT!
no ammount of terrorism in any form will change that.

SELF DETERMINATION, :)))
26 Betty Boop (#) Nov 30th, 2012 - 01:43 pm Report abuse
But I can see it, in Port William.
27 Joe Bloggs (#) Nov 30th, 2012 - 02:14 pm Report abuse
Come on then Argies, explain it.

Either the story is complete bullshit
or
The shipping company told your officials they weren't coming here and then just came here
or
The shipping company said they weren't going to the Malvinas, kept their word because there is no Malvinas, and then came here to the Falklands
or
The ship isn't here despite all of the evidence (which you can all source independently and see for yourselves)

What a bunch of losers anyone who helped to concoct this piece of bullshit must be.

Chuckle chuckle
28 Rufus (#) Nov 30th, 2012 - 02:35 pm Report abuse
I think this might be a case of a dodgy phone line. The liner company probably said that it wasn't going anywhere near Madeira (the autonomous region of Portugal that's about 300 miles off of the coast of Africa), which is fair enough, most people find flying into Funchal easier anyway.
29 Anbar (#) Nov 30th, 2012 - 03:38 pm Report abuse
“Malvinas are no longer in the company’s tourism itinerary”.

(but the Falklands are!!)

I've emailed Seaboarn to ask them the situation.
30 Joe Bloggs (#) Nov 30th, 2012 - 04:26 pm Report abuse
29 Anbar

If you get a reply please post it on here.

On another subject: did anyone on here read the Penguin News today? A few pages in (not on the front page) was a headline “Cristina is Irrelevant”. I had to laugh. I won't spoil it for those of you who are yet to read it.

The article also described how much the relevant shares have gone up in the last week. The Trolls who like to update us on share prices must have forgot to check them this week because we've heard no mention of them.

Chuckle chuckle

It's good to be back in the islands after another trip to earn my daily bread. Too hot where I was.
31 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Nov 30th, 2012 - 05:26 pm Report abuse
Why is it ok for the UK/EU/US to punish countries doing business with Iran, docking at their ports, by not allowing such a country to do business with you... but not ok for other countries to use the same diplomatic tool?

Check mate. Have a great day!
32 Santa Fe (#) Nov 30th, 2012 - 05:45 pm Report abuse
Oh the mind of an epic chess player, Iran is a rouge state that funds terrorism around the world. he Falklands are a small island of 3000 peaceful inhabitants. ow do you explain the fact that the ship is in port in the Falklands????

got your sailing frigate out of hock yet???
33 Orbit (#) Nov 30th, 2012 - 05:47 pm Report abuse
check mate ?

So you are comparing the UK/EU/US attempts to curtail Iran (with its stated aim to wipe a neighbouring country of the face of the earth, aggressively persuing nuclear weapons and with a horrific human rights record), and Argentina's illegal attempt to gain sovereignty over Islands that it has no justifiable claim to ? Wow.

Anyway, apart from that leap of twisted logic, you occasionally demonstrate rational thinking. If you sit down and think about it, do you honestly think your government have the intellectual capacity to govern ? Do you think all that has happened to your country recently is everyone else's fault and Argentina is totally blameless in all this (and would have an excellent social, political and economic record otherwise?)

My country has lots of flaws, but when I sit down and think about it there is some common sense to how its run. Can you say the same thing?
34 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Nov 30th, 2012 - 05:58 pm Report abuse
Neither of you answered the question. Forget about the morals...

Just on the mere basis of it, what difference is there in the actual right to use this tool?

US/UK/EU don't want anyone but themselves from having nukes. That's the only thing left in between themselves and utter political irrelevance.
35 stick up your junta (#) Nov 30th, 2012 - 06:12 pm Report abuse
@34
Stop changing the subject you argies are no good at using that diplomatic tool any road, anyway what you like at geography?

Current position of M/S Seabourn Sojourn: Port Stanley/Falkland Islands
www.seascanner.com/schiffsposition.php?schiff=Seabourn+Sojourn
36 Steve-32-uk (#) Nov 30th, 2012 - 06:29 pm Report abuse
'Uruguay ratifies support for Argentina's claim over the Falklands'
espanol.upi.com/Politica/2012/11/30/Uruguay-ratifica-apoyo-a-
Argentina-en-reclamo-por-las-Malvinas/UPI-35301354279162/

'Deputy FA rejects invitation to Falkland Islands'
www.diariolarepublica.net/2012/11/invitacion-a-las-islas/
37 Ahmadinanutterjob (#) Nov 30th, 2012 - 06:44 pm Report abuse
@31

Dear brother. How correct you are in your determination of the duplicitous Zionist controlled English infidels.

Together our two peace loving nations loved and adulated by our citizens, are victims of a corrupt world order.

Iran has made great strides in technological defensive areas, especially nano-technology. Should your President wish, we are at her disposal to deploy our latest achievement – the Nano Submarine to cleanse the Malvinas waters of the English colonialist pirate usurpers, inshallah.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2240160/Irans-navy-showcases-bright-new-warship---damage-wont-coming.html
38 briton (#) Nov 30th, 2012 - 07:32 pm Report abuse
Bahamas or bananas.
A cowards decision,
The British government should have by now, have issued the UN will a warning, that all Argentinean ships would be barred from UK ports,

And ask the commonwealth to do the same,
We have said it once, and will repeat until the cows come home.

CFK will do what she wants, when she wants , and to whom she wants until someone stops her,
So crying abt other decisions by other countries is rather irrelevant when our own country does nothing.

.
39 Trunce (#) Nov 30th, 2012 - 07:47 pm Report abuse
@38

Sometimes nothing can be everything - Grasshopper; )
40 slattzzz (#) Nov 30th, 2012 - 07:53 pm Report abuse
@37 says it's as big as a frigate, we have bigger tugs than that, and it couldn't cleanse a toilet let alone make it through the straits of hormuz
41 Anbar (#) Nov 30th, 2012 - 08:01 pm Report abuse
“”“”The British government should have by now, have issued the UN will a warning, that all Argentinean ships would be barred from UK ports,And ask the commonwealth to do the same,“”“”

why?

If Argentina's government wants to lose its people jobs and income that is fine... why on earth would the UKs government want to do that to its own population?

We will quite happily take Argentine ships and money whenever & wherever they dock.

Pretty dumb to do otherwise.

-----------------------

Sometimes I think that people forget that the Falklands already belong to the Falklands Islanders, nobody is going to take it away from them (other than by force) so there is absolutely no need to even consider embargoes or anti-Argentine motions/movements.

It makes the Argentine Government look like grasping neo-colonials trying desperately to grab land they know they dont have any rights to... everything they do to try to force their opinions on others is another nail in their own freedom and standing.... so let them.

The UK has no need to reciprocate.... doing nothing is the right thing.
42 Troy Tempest (#) Nov 30th, 2012 - 08:30 pm Report abuse
@24 ARGIE sunshine

“WELL THE SEA BOURNE CRUISES ARE NO LONGER ON MY ITINENARY OR THOSE OF MY STAFF...........”

Ah, Sunshine!

Your true colours (blue & white) are shining through again!!
43 Anbar (#) Nov 30th, 2012 - 08:33 pm Report abuse
Reply from Seabourn Cruise Line:

“”“”Dear Mr ABCDEF,

Thank you for contacting Seabourn Cruise Line regarding the Falkland Islands. Internally at this time we have not been advised of any change to our South American itineraries which at this point include the Falkland Islands through 2014.

If you have any additional questions or concerns, please do contact us.

Best Regards,

“”“”

----

that kinda says it all ;-0
44 malicious bloke (#) Nov 30th, 2012 - 08:37 pm Report abuse
en.mercopress.com/2012/11/30/excellent-weather-for-seabourn-sojourn-on-her-friday-falklands-call

Another victory for the Argentine press. If yer gonna lie, lie about easily verifiable things. It's the best way for us to all have [another] huge laugh at your expense :)
45 Troy Tempest (#) Nov 30th, 2012 - 08:44 pm Report abuse
@34 Nozzy

You are right.

Now, even the Falklands have Nukes before Argentina!

Pirat -Alex will be heartbroken

LOL LOL
46 slattzzz (#) Nov 30th, 2012 - 08:48 pm Report abuse
FFS can they not get anything right, what an embarresment this must be for TMBOA someones going to swing, they couldn't run a piss up in a brewery or a fashion show in BK's house. I did laugh though at Castros quote about the Southern hemispere and Ghana, obviously not read a map recently, they make them selfs look stupider the more desperate they get. No wonder the British Goverment never responds.............They don't have to Rgenweener will fook it up without us having to lift a finger.
47 Islander1 (#) Nov 30th, 2012 - 09:20 pm Report abuse
Well, she has just upanchored and left - 2 hrs later than planned as folks were having such a great time ashore. Am aware that 36 took the 1982 historical conflict battlefield tour - and were thrilled when 2 visiting British Veterans appeared among the guides and gave them all the real true stories, also there was a veteran,s wife who explained how they fared 8000 miles away with little info and wondering if husband/fiancee was going to come home, and a Falklands widow who proudly showed the passengers her Elizabeth Cross and explained the history behind this recently introduced personal award from the Queen
to the families of all Brtish servicemen and women who are killed on active service.
Early reports indicate that today is being voted the best port call of the month long cruise.
Any comments Islas M and friends?

Oh and yes it would appear the ship was indeed asked in Ushuaia if it was going to the “Malvinas” Islands - to which they gave the honest and correct answer- NO!
48 British_Kirchnerist (#) Nov 30th, 2012 - 09:27 pm Report abuse
Seems the cruise industry sees Argentina as more important that the Falklands, go figure...

#24 You have staff?
49 Anbar (#) Nov 30th, 2012 - 09:43 pm Report abuse
“”“Seems the cruise industry sees Argentina as more important that the Falklands, go figure...”“””

Seems you cant read... :-0
50 Troy Tempest (#) Nov 30th, 2012 - 10:05 pm Report abuse
@48BK
Weak, and late to the party.
51 Frank (#) Nov 30th, 2012 - 11:44 pm Report abuse
At Seabourn's Ushuaia office.

'Boss, there are some thugs at the door... they have sticks and rocks and stuff..'
'What do they want?'
'They want to know if our ship is going to the Malvinas'
'Malvinas ? Never heard of them.. tell them to fuck orf'

Campora thug to his chum... ” I think he said no....'
52 Joe Bloggs (#) Dec 01st, 2012 - 12:06 am Report abuse
51 Frank

I like it.
53 Troy Tempest (#) Dec 01st, 2012 - 12:38 am Report abuse
@51 Frank

Lots of Panto praise for that one!! :-)

Doveoverdover as “The Dame”
54 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 01st, 2012 - 01:01 am Report abuse
“and yes it would appear the ship was indeed asked in Ushuaia if it was going to the “Malvinas” Islands - to which they gave the honest and correct answer- NO!”

Good point... I think when British ships request entrance to the “River Plate” we should tell them there is no such river and to take a hike... or a row.
55 andy65 (#) Dec 01st, 2012 - 02:20 am Report abuse
@54 you really are a sore loser but is that not Argentina all over SORE LOSERS
The world is laughing at you,do what the Argentine majority want and put the Nazi Botox Queen in a C130 and dump her in the South Atlantic you people are good at that you have history.
56 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 01st, 2012 - 02:30 am Report abuse
@55

We are an independent nation and don't take orders from the IMF, London, Paris, Madrid, Washington, Beijing, Mexico City, Brasilia, Montevideo (Mercosur), Rome, Moscow or Berlin.

The sooner the rest of the world realizes that, the better.
57 Troy Tempest (#) Dec 01st, 2012 - 04:16 am Report abuse
@56 Nozzy

”@55

We are an independent nation and don't take orders from the IMF, London, Paris, Madrid, Washington, Beijing, Mexico City, Brasilia, Montevideo (Mercosur), Rome, Moscow or Berlin. ”

Whew, good thing we spoke to you, then. We were going to give you more money to recover your oil.
58 DanyBerger (#) Dec 01st, 2012 - 09:01 am Report abuse
@15 Britworker

Foreign office working on that
s7.postimage.org/e5h90maej/foreign_office_uk.jpg
59 Orbit (#) Dec 01st, 2012 - 09:29 am Report abuse
@34 Absolutely they are using the same tool. Definitely. A tool however is just that, a means to achieve something.

A hammer can be used to put a nail in a wall to hang a picture of a cute kitten. It can also be used to bludgeon someone to death.

By your rationale the psychopath can say “well you are using the tool to hang pictures of cats, so its ok for me to kill people with it”.
60 andy65 (#) Dec 01st, 2012 - 01:21 pm Report abuse
@58DanyBerger
Remind of your past Mr Berger are you not sons and daughters of Spanish Pirates??
61 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 01st, 2012 - 04:05 pm Report abuse
@59

I would agree. And I won't make arguments to support the Argentine position, everyone here knows well my position on that issue.

But let's be clear: to the Iranian people, you (the west) are not the kitten.
62 andy65 (#) Dec 01st, 2012 - 06:18 pm Report abuse
@61 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#)
Try doing a poll and ask anyone what governmant they would rather live under Yours, Irans, Ours,(UK)or USA though ours might not be perfect it sure leaves yours and Irans a long way behind
63 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 01st, 2012 - 06:28 pm Report abuse
@62

Excuse you... pharisaic excuses... you have YET to learn from your own truculent history, don't you?

400 years and counting... I'm beginning to wonder if Europeans have the actual noetic capability to grok the true significance of their past through sciential introspection.
64 Joe Bloggs (#) Dec 01st, 2012 - 08:23 pm Report abuse
63 What's His Name
FFS! LOL! Here we go. Now you're going to tell us that you're from indigenous American stock are you?. Ha ha ha! Pull the other one it plays Swing Low, Sweet Chariot.
65 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 01st, 2012 - 08:30 pm Report abuse
I am not European. Much less a national of a European nation.

Pharisaic excuses... Pharisaic??

= “self-righteous and prone to condemn other things even if leading to hypocrisy”

This guy andy is at it again, like a typical European... ”Well our government is better than your government (his TENDENTIOUS opinion btw), so that gives us the right to invade Iraq, bomb Libya, attack Iraq... cause we are better“.

That is the paragon of pharisaic thought.

And that is exactly the thought/belief system that led the Spanish, British, French, Dutch, Portuguese, Germans, Italians, Belgians to INVADE whatever land they wanted... because we are going to ”civilize“ you, improve your ”race“, ”give you culture“, ”bestow upon you a better government”.

400 years and EUROPEANS like andy65 still don't grasp the big picture don't you Euros.

Such attitudes are the perfect emetic for the judicious and upright.
66 Joe Bloggs (#) Dec 01st, 2012 - 08:48 pm Report abuse
Don't give me that bullshit. Unless you're an indigenous American, and I doubt you are, you're no less responsible for actions you deplore over the past 400 than I am.
67 malicious bloke (#) Dec 01st, 2012 - 09:05 pm Report abuse
@65, without that invasive nature you and your country wouldn't exist.

It is quite funny that a denizen of a country where half the populace carry Spanish and/or Italian passports and the official language is spanish denies and decries their genocidal european roots.

Even better when you consider that the post-colonial history of Argentina has been a failed analogue of the US ideal of manifest destiny and indigenous genocide. As a people, you have been every bit as murderous as your european forebears, your lower bodycount is down to the fact you really suck at fighting anyone who can fight back rather than a lack of intent.
68 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 01st, 2012 - 09:11 pm Report abuse
@67

Well this guy makes sense... “you failed at murder, but you are murderers”.

Yup, anglo-saxon brain at work.

@66

You may not like it, but they are the facts.
69 Joe Bloggs (#) Dec 01st, 2012 - 09:30 pm Report abuse
68 What's His Name

It's all about intent.

Sorry but you've convinced nobody. Tell us where your ancestors were living 150 years ago. I bet it wasn't America.
70 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 01st, 2012 - 09:35 pm Report abuse
@69

None of my family ever had a generational existence in the United States.

Argentina did not engage in the behavior the United States did in the 19th century. period.
71 Joe Bloggs (#) Dec 01st, 2012 - 09:41 pm Report abuse
70 Where did your family come from before what is now called Argentina?
72 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 01st, 2012 - 09:51 pm Report abuse
They came from their progenitors.
73 malicious bloke (#) Dec 01st, 2012 - 09:56 pm Report abuse
“Well this guy makes sense... “you failed at murder, but you are murderers”.

Yup, anglo-saxon brain at work.”

Oh no, you didn't fail at murder. You failed at profiting from murder. Argentina's history is as murderous as any other country's, it's just the fact that you fail so hard that limits the scale.

The war of 1982 and the planned subsequent invasion of Chile shows how peaceable and non-murderous you wonderful lovely argentines are. It also shows how 14000 argentines operating under land-based air cover are forced to surrender by a land force less than ONE TENTH your size having to sail literally halfway round the world to curtail your imperialist ideas.

In short, you argies love to demonise the western powers for “imperialism” and “colonialism” because we have historically been pretty good at it. It's not that you are morally or ethically above such things, it's just that whenever you try it you FAIL UTTERLY.
74 Joe Bloggs (#) Dec 01st, 2012 - 09:58 pm Report abuse
The slave has been around since the world first had people,
the Romans, Greeks, Vikings, Huns and Mongols all had slaves and they weren't all black. America and Britain didn't enslave the world, they just followed on from others. If you're referring to the African slave trade,who captured all these slaves that were then sold by the British and Americans? Their own continent supplied them.

Anyway, that is neither here nor there is this pointless argument of yours. Since you won't answer the question, you are therefore as innocent of guilty as I am. I say innocent but whatever you say, we are equal.

I'll say it again. You do get yourself into a mess on here you attention seeking retard, don't you.
75 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 01st, 2012 - 10:31 pm Report abuse
@73

“Argentina demonizes imperialism”

Is that sort of work kinda of like “a woman villifying rape”??

You western powers are so funny in your ratiotinations... Must be so chest-inflating to know Europe's most lasting contribution to history the last half millenia was such a positive for the human species (and animals too... ask the Falkland Islands Warrah).

Enjoy your crowning achievement, Euro.
76 andy65 (#) Dec 01st, 2012 - 10:33 pm Report abuse
@68 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#)
you see this is the problem me being British certainly as no problem at all about our history and am comfortable who we are, unfortunately most Argentines have great problems of who they are so let me tell you-you call us pirates but you are sons and daughter of Spanish pirates thats how argentina came about yet you still see yourself as something different thats why All of South America look on you as being arrogant FACT your country is made up of European migrants.
77 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 01st, 2012 - 10:49 pm Report abuse
We are different from Latin Americans, and we are certainly thank goodness not European, we renounced that horrific fate long ago. And thankfully we are far away from the North Americans.

God really looks down upon us.
78 Joe Bloggs (#) Dec 01st, 2012 - 11:26 pm Report abuse
Right. That's the 110 washed ready for tomorrow. Now where'd we get to?

77 What's His Name

So what you're trying to say is that you WERE European but you moved to another part of the world and changed your name. Isn't that a bit like witness protection? You still did it but you're just pretending to be someone who didn't. Fucking beautiful. You dumb bastard.
79 Troy Tempest (#) Dec 02nd, 2012 - 05:50 am Report abuse
@77 Nozzy
“We are different from Latin Americans, and we are certainly thank goodness not European, we renounced that horrific fate long ago. And thankfully we are far away from the North Americans. ”

Huh ?

How could you be different?

All the immigrants came from the same places, disenfranchised the same original inhabitants, and revolted against the same European states, in the same time frame. You even had the same bunch of 'revolutionary' leaders, like Simon Bolivar, revered in several LATAM countries as their liberator.
Same bunch of opportunistic pirates grabbing all you could, while jealously coveting anything the others had.
Not much different today, despite your veneer of friendship.

No honour amongst thieves.
80 Leiard (#) Dec 02nd, 2012 - 09:45 am Report abuse
Does Argentina own any cruise ships ?
81 Joe Bloggs (#) Dec 02nd, 2012 - 11:02 am Report abuse
80 Leiard

Um, the Libertard?

Another question to ask is how many ships are registered in Argentina. The vast majority of ships aren't registered in their true country of origin. The same applies to aircraft. Obscure little places like the Isle of Mann, Bermuda and the Cayman Islands hold many registrations between them of hulls that never even visit their shores.
82 Shed-time (#) Dec 02nd, 2012 - 01:49 pm Report abuse
@79 “We are different from Latin Americans, and we are certainly thank goodness not European, we renounced that horrific fate long ago. And thankfully we are far away from the North Americans. ”

If we deconstruct what he's saying, is that as they are racially Fascist Italians and Nazi Germans, they are different to Latin Americans who are typically local genetics combined with spanish conquistadorian stock. They're not European because they left and renounced Europe after WWII when they were shamefully beaten and cast back into the shadows of mordor (south america). They're thankful that they're not North Americans because the USA was partially instrumental in the demise of their ideology (along with the commonwealth and russia) during WWII.

These adherents to Nestoranity seem to be fuelled by bitterness somewhat. This Tobias chap, likely suffered some kind of rape at the hands of La Campora, and was kept in a hole in the ground as a pet by Maximo. He's now probably incapable of exhibiting thoughts that are different to those in his book, “I will get rich off thee, argentina” by Nestor himself.

I just cannot wait for Christina to lead them out of slavery and into exile in the Antarctic where Uncle Hitler and Nestor himself remain waiting for them
83 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 02nd, 2012 - 03:02 pm Report abuse
@79

Education system again at work.

I will later go out and count all the Simon Bolivar statues, as you know there are hundreds around town. What do you think our main plaza is called?
84 andy65 (#) Dec 02nd, 2012 - 03:28 pm Report abuse
Does the botox queen allow her people to take walks around town counting statues surely a stranf pass time on a Sunday.
85 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 02nd, 2012 - 03:35 pm Report abuse
@84

Of course, we have access to that nation's treasures. We are a free country, not a repressed monarchy where you can't sleep in the people's building.
86 St.John (#) Dec 02nd, 2012 - 05:23 pm Report abuse
A flie on the wall in Seabourn's Ushuaia office heard the following conversation:

Arg.: “Are you going to the Islas Malvinas”? (wink-wink)

Seabourn rep.: “Well, next port is Port William on the Falkland Islands”

Arg.: “Oh, but definitely not the Islas Malvinas”? (wink-wink)

Seabourn rep.: “Ah, I get it! No, of course not, certainly not!”

Arg.: “Thank god, or else we stood to lose the 500,000 US$ your passengers are about to spend in Ushuaia”
87 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 03rd, 2012 - 02:03 am Report abuse
Brits: ”Are you really dying of an awful, painful form of cancer? (no wink)

Libyian terrorist: “Yes” (no wink)

Brits: “do you need FUEL for the trip home”? (wink)

Libyian terrorist: “no, you can have it” (wink-wink-wink-wink-wink)

Brits: “thank god, or else we would have had to stand on principle to please our American overlords, and with the North Sea wells shriveling have to spend some cold winters...”
88 DanyBerger (#) Dec 03rd, 2012 - 02:47 am Report abuse
Ah! Mohammed team from UK striking again...
89 Anbar (#) Dec 03rd, 2012 - 11:07 am Report abuse
Q: Does Argentina own any cruise ships ?

A: Um, the Libertard?

roflmao - that did make me laugh out loud. ;-0

I dont know why anybody takes Nostro the sock-puppet seriously.. he spends half his time on a thesaurus trying to find words that make him sound clever and the other half of the time foaming at the mouth...he's one of the few people on this site that makes Conqueror look rational.

He's a less original thinker though, which says even more... wont answer a straight questions and whose job is to side-track discussion away form the topic (whenever its perceived as being negative toward the CFK elite)

Shed-Time has Nostros measure though:
Nostro is Saruman shouting defiance down at everyone whilst the ruins of Isengard lie all around him. ... B-K, Steve-32 & DoD his sock-puppet wormtongue & goblins.
90 andy65 (#) Dec 03rd, 2012 - 02:33 pm Report abuse
Nice to see something honest written on www.loveargentina.org

Argentine culture has been primarily informed and influenced by its European roots. Buenos Aires is undeniably the most European city in South America and considered by many its cultural capital, due both to the prevalence of people of European descent and to conscious imitation.
91 St.John (#) Dec 03rd, 2012 - 03:04 pm Report abuse
@ 87 Nostrolldamus_tit

???

Is Libya somewhere in the Falkland Islands?
Is Seabourn Sojourn in Libya?
Is Seabourn Sojourn full of Libyan terrorists?

CASE 'No': what the fxck is the tit talking about?
92 andy65 (#) Dec 03rd, 2012 - 07:33 pm Report abuse
@ Nostrolldamus_tit If you were gay you would be described just as your leader A BITTER OLD QUEEN
93 Pirat-Hunter (#) Dec 03rd, 2012 - 07:34 pm Report abuse
I think Argentine's should board this ship and expropiate it for breaking the law as the vulture did with our ship libertad. I hope I am in Argentina when this pirate ship comes around I will have no mercy and get all the pirate crew to walk the plank, that's the only way Argentine's will get respect from the foreigners. In libya they had to go as far as burning the US embassy to getbtheir point across, I am sure there are enough Argentine's who feel like me. So let's meet up and join the struggle against theft, murder and terrorism.
VIVA CRISTINA!! The best president Argentina had in more then 50 years.
94 Viva Las Falklands (#) Dec 03rd, 2012 - 08:31 pm Report abuse
Argentine armed forces lost all respect when they got arse kicked in 1982!

By the way looks like Argentine Alice has been summoned to the Foreign Office to get her Arse kicked as well.
95 andy65 (#) Dec 03rd, 2012 - 11:03 pm Report abuse
Pirat-Hunter why don't you give us an excuse to drag the x flight attendent the whore of daddy chavez Alicia Castro out of her bolt hole because if you take the time to look on youtube at some of her interviews and see how she stutters and as a problem with fact when confromted by educated journalist-she's a waste of space no wonder Aerolines Argentines went bancrupt
96 Steve-32-uk (#) Dec 04th, 2012 - 08:56 am Report abuse
I'm just linking you Falklands related news positive or negative.
97 puerto argentino (#) Dec 04th, 2012 - 09:35 am Report abuse
Malvinas are no longer in the company’s tourism itinerary!!!!!
98 andy65 (#) Dec 04th, 2012 - 01:51 pm Report abuse
@puerto argentino Well the Malvinas never were in the tourism itinerary but The Falkland Islands most definately are.
99 St.John (#) Dec 05th, 2012 - 12:06 am Report abuse
@ 97 puerto argentino

“Malvinas are no longer in the company’s tourism itinerary!!!!!”

Las Malvinas - wherever that is - have never been in the company’s tourism itinerary.

As can be seen, the Falkland Islands are.

16-day patagonian passage holiday: “Passing Cape Horn; Pt. Stanley, Falkland Islands; Punta del Este, Uruguay;”
15-day patagonian passage west: “ Montevideo, Uruguay; Pt. Stanley, Falkland Islands; Passing Cape Horn;”
15-day patagonian passage east: “Passing Cape Horn; Pt. Stanley, Falkland Islands; Montevideo, Uruguay;”
35-day patagonian passage, brazil and the amazon: “Passing Cape Horn; Pt. Stanley, Falkland Islands; Montevideo, Uruguay;”
50-day patagonia, brazil, the amazon and caribbean: “Passing Cape Horn; Pt. Stanley, Falkland Islands; Montevideo, Uruguay;”
21-day ultimate antarctica and patagonia: “Montevideo, Uruguay; Pt. Stanley, Falkland Islands; Antarctic Experience;”
21-day ultimate antarctica and patagonia: “Antarctic Experience; Pt. Stanley, Falkland Islands; Montevideo, Uruguay;”

Pt. Stanley, Falkland Islands is Port Stanley, Falkland Islands

www.seabourn.com/find-luxury-cruise-vacation/FindCruises.action?portCode=PSY&sourceName=byPort

11 cruises visiting Port Stanley, Falkland Islands during January 2013: www.cruisetimetables.com/visitingportstanleyfalklandislands-jan2013.html
100 JoJo (#) Dec 05th, 2012 - 11:32 pm Report abuse
I have just checked www.marinetraffic.com/ais/ and typed in the name seabourn sojourn, and noticed that she has departed BA for Monte, and is now on her way to Stanley, due to arrive 8 December.
101 St.John (#) Dec 06th, 2012 - 02:15 pm Report abuse
She is right here:
www.seascanner.com/schiffsposition.php?schiff=Seabourn+Sojourn
102 andy65 (#) Dec 06th, 2012 - 02:31 pm Report abuse
What a beautiful sight to see this ship sailing once again to The FALKLAND ISLANDS, EAT YOUR HEART OUT CRISSY

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