Unasur summit rejects Falklands’ referendum and wants to limit ‘vulture funds’
The Union for South American Nations (Unasur) agreed to limit the actions of ‘special situation funds’ (hedge funds or ‘vulture funds’) and categorically rejected a referendum that will take in place in the Falkland Islands in March to decide the political status of the archipelago, during the summit that took place in Lima.
“Both issues were fully backed by Argentina and included in the final document approved in the meeting,” Argentine Vice-President Amado Bodou stressed on Friday at the end of the summit where he represented President Cristina Fernández, who did not attend due to back pains.
“It was a really important meeting due to two issues that were mentioned in the final communiqué. One is an explicit rejection to the self-determination and referendum that will take place in Malvinas islands and its eventual result. This reaffirms Argentina and the UN’s 1985 stance. This is a political success for the President, but above all for Argentines.”
Boudou also referred to the inclusion of an initiative to move forward against the so called ‘vulture funds’, following Judge Thomas Griesa's ruling, which benefited bondholders who did not accept to be a part of the debt swaps offered by Argentina in 2005 and 2010.
The final resolution actually refers to ‘special situation funds’, a concession to Brazilian diplomacy which apparently does not share the Argentine expression ‘vulture funds’.
“These vulture funds are destabilizing factors, but they also ruin developed countries because they do not pay taxes anywhere. And won’t allow countries and their creditors to reach voluntary accords, like Argentina, in which 93% of creditors accepted the proposal” said Boudou.
He added that Unasur was considering calling a special conference next February to address specifically the issue and others closely linked such as the credit rating agencies, which President Cristina Fernandez in her latest appearances described as part of a global “judicial colonialism”.
Boudou said that the Argentine president sent to the Unasur “a message on the need for a new international financial structure because the crises continue and we, Argentina have concrete proposals based on four axis actions”.
The first refers to the need of having “appropriate mechanisms for the restructuring of sovereign debts while another calls for a review of the IBT, international bilateral treaties”.
Another refers to the redefining of the World Banks’ International Centre for the Settlement of Investment Disputes tribunal, and looking “for alternative mechanisms” to fix disputes between sovereign countries and corporations. “The ICSID does not offer fair rulings and has a concept of favouring trans-national corporations, so at the end of the day this is not justice but biased processes”.
But the main axis of Cristina Fernandez’ presentation refers to the urgent need to review credit risk agencies, for which “we are calling for an extraordinary meeting next February, so all this does not end up in an exercise of rhetoric”.
Boudou accused the risk rating agencies of being “the cause behind the international financial crisis” and the Argentine government formally requests their “replacement or elimination”.
“Let us not forget that the risk-rating agencies are mandatory for any investment, and the truth is that they have failed, they have wrongly advised on how to best employ resources” insisted Boudou.
Unasur chair and host Peruvian president Ollanta Humala sent a message of unity saying that “our coming together as a group will be the base in order to construct a South American citizenship, making it into a reality”.
Humala added that decisions should be made in order “for us to be authentically South American,” stating that “physical integration continues to make up the backbone of integration.” He insisted that “while other regions look for ways to overcome crisis, we are at a stage in which we can continue to grow.”
The sixth Unasur summit brought together heads of state and representatives from eleven of its twelve member countries including Argentina, Brasil, Bolivia, Colombia, Chile, Ecuador, Guyana, Peru, Surinam, Uruguay and Venezuela since Paraguay has been suspended as a member since June; therefore Paraguayan President Federico Franco was not invited to participate in the event.
Nevertheless there were some notorious absences such as Venezuelan President Hugo Chávez, Brazilian President Dilma Rousseff, Bolivian President Evo Morales and Argentine President Cristina Fernández.
Other issues referred to by the summit was support for the Colombia-FARC peace talks, discussions on some border disputes and confirmation of Paraguay’s suspension from Unasur as originally established until April 2013 elections.
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cue the Trolls...
They could be talking about moving forwards in technological terms, Generating electricity in a green way, advancing education levels and eradicating corruption and poverty in the continent.
but no, lets talk about unimportant issues like some people deciding on their future and a debt caused by pure incompetence of argentine governments....
I was starting to worry that we weren't going to see Lady Amanda Boo-Doo in time for the start of the season.
LOL, yes, he'll make a fine addition to the cast - great stage presence.
Grinning buffoon!
The Union for South American Nations (Unasur) categorically rejected the PR Malvinas referendum where the question to be asked to the Squatting British Subjects in them Islands is....:
You surely want to continue being a British Colony, don't Ya, mates?
You just can't make it up can you! They support palistine but refuse to even allow falklands to have the right of self determination, let alone recognise the islands as a self governing territory all whilst supporting palistines right to self determination, which is what the UK supports!
Also, for the record, the UK abstaining from the vote was about whether palistine should be given observer state status, nothing to do with whether they should have self determination or nor! So don't you argentines try saying otherwise!
Dont you have a bill to pay on 15th December? How is your presidents back by the way, is it that old Argentine problem of having no spine?
Or become a province of a third world country in waiting
Tough call dont ya Think Think?
Isn't it about this time of year that she goes back to the factory for an oil change and to get all her bolts tightened?
You have to remember that trolls like Think and Dover think that us Kelpers should be seen and not heard at the very best if not forced to get on our knees and beg for crumbs. And God help us if we aren't grateful for what we get.
You also have to realise that they know their fantasies are hopeless despite their attempts to remain smug and intimidating. Come to think of it they're like they're in a panto all year round. Sort of like a Disney or Las Vegas show. Christmas all year round in Troll Land! LOL! And if it wasn't for those ratings agencies everyone would realise how healthy their economy was!
Chuckle chuckle
www.lostiempos.com/diario/opiniones/columnistas/20121201/las-islas-falkland_194133_413330.html
'Malvinas: tensions increase by cruises'
www.clarin.com/politica/Malvinas-aumenta-tension-cruceros_0_820718071.html
'The Unasur rejected the referendum in the Falkland Islands and agreed to limit the actions of vulture funds'
www.diariouno.com.ar/pais/La-Unasur-rechazo-el-referendum-en-las-Islas-Malvinas-y-se-acordo-limitar-el-accionar-de-los-fondos-buitre-20121130-0054.html
Let's see what Argentina is offering the Falkland Islanders to become a part of Argentina.
What Argentina wants to take from the Falklanders:
1. Removal of their freedom.
2. Removal of their right to self-determination.
3. Removal of their right to speak the language they prefer, the currency they wish to use, and to drive on the proper side of the road.
4. The right to exploit their own natural resources to the benefit of their own community.
5. The right to become an independent nation at some point in the future.
What the Argentines want to give the Falklanders:
1. A worthless currency.
2. 25% inflation.
3. Corrupt officials and government.
4. Dictatorship.
5. Oppression.
Here is what the UK offers the Falkland Islanders.
This is what the UK receives from the Falklands.
1. A place to train troops.
2. A stopping off point in the South Atlantic.
Here is what the UK gives the Falklanders:
1. The right to freedom.
2. The right to determine their own future.
3. The right to exploit and develop their own natural resources for the betterment of the Falklands community.
4. Security and protection from aggressive neighbours.
5. The right to vote in their own government.
6. The right to speak whichever language they wish, worship whichever Gods they wish, use what currency they wish, and to drive on whichever side of the road they wish to.
7. The right to become independent any time that they wish too.
So Argentina offers the Falkland Islanders oppression, subjugation and probable ethnic cleansing, and the UK offers them freedom, safety and the right to live their lives how they please.
It's not rocket science to know that given such alternatives what the majority of people on the planet would choose.
UNASUR can try ignore the implications of the referendum, but come March 2013 the UN will acknowledge the result, and the FIG will petition the UN to remove them from the very defunct decolonisation list.
Face it, Argentina's claim is finished for good.
Nice one. I always like your posts.
Of course Think already knows that he'll go to his grave knowing his great grandchildren will go to their graves still struggling with their shiralee that is the Malvinas. But hey. Why give up and let his youngsters live happily when they can grow up to be as bitter as him.
Are you coming over to campaign - the invitation from FIG to Argentina to send a campaign team to make your case seesm to have remained answered? You would be assured equal radio, press and TV time- we do believe in Democracy and equal rights here you see.
We invited a campaign team. Not a comedy team.
We reject them.
Please try to think, “Think”or l shall get very cross with you!
Would the four be :
1. Don't pay your debts.
2. Make up economic numbers.
3. Steal assets.
4. Get laughed at.
?
www.presstv.ir/detail/2012/12/01/275558/malvinas-oil-venture-humiliates-uk-firm/
Isn’t the FIG(leaf) informing you?
Does the FIG(leaf) keep secrets from you?
As far as I am informed the FIG(leaf) has already recieved eleven written declinations of your kind invitation from South American Countries….
The Argentinean letter may have been delivered to a wrong adress….
Look inside the little virgin’s crypt at Darwin….
Maybe it’s there…..
Never mind…. You are herewith informed by MercoPress ..... :
The twelve members of the Union for South American Nations (Unasur) categorically rejected the referendum that will take in place in the Falkland Islands in March to decide the political status of the archipelago…….
Ain’t that clear enough?
It's a really a scream, isn't it? Rejecting the fundamental UN principle underlying decolonization, while bleating to the UN for decolonization.
You are still alive Forgetit86 i was getting worried about you
Sao Paulo sees big jump in murders
www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-20441716
He said he was from there and hes quite touchy when you point out Brazils failings :-)
do you believe if i say i'm from Greenland ..?...no !
probably he is from Cape Town .
and?? Lip service, nothing more.
how will this highly predictable and utterly defenceless outcome make any difference to a democratic referendum by the nations population??
nice message to send out to the rest of the world how Argentina stands on human rights that Argentina have is a signatory
credit risk agencies - “replacement or elimination”, this isnt Clarin! you just cannot get rid when the truth is being told that you dont like.
Crustina your end is close.
A whole bunch of leftie LatAm tossers are unanimous in condemning the only democratic structure in South America – whoops – the Falklands (there are STILL no Malvinas, you pratts) are in the South Atlantic, so that’s alright then.
And the crooks of RG have managed to get their stupidity into the ‘minds’ of all the other so called ‘presidents’ throughout the region.
Still, Pepe won’t be our president for much longer, hopefully someone with balls will come along.
You could laugh if it wasn’t so tragic.
Nothing will change with the Falklands, they are a BOT now and will remain so with the addition of self-determination.
You say:
“no mention of Chile sending a team to debate the referendum”
I say:
“Chile sending a team to debate the referendum” ???
Any links to that piece of info or do we have to take your Scottish word for it?
You say further:
“A weeks free fishing for a start and ALL expenses paid”
I say:
Honorary, lifelong membership og the Puerto Estanley Croquet & Fly Fishing Sports Club (with unrestricted usufruct rights of ALL public and private fishing waters on them Islands) and I would, graciously, consider a visit.....
The referendum is going ahead and tough luck. It wont make a bit of difference to what the clowns in Argentina think or do. What it will do is tell the rest of the world that the people in the Falklands do not want anything to do with the crooks, the shysters, and the con merchants who think themselves the best thing since sliced bread was invented. The UN have already told you that you dont have a claim on the Falklands this will just confirm what they have been saying. So on ya bikes you murdering scoundrels go F*** YOURSELVES SILLY
Islanders, the referendum should end all this crap!
Gooks?
Well, well aren't you a racist prat?
I'll bet you have a NAZI flag on your wall too, to match your NAZI style of government.
I have asked the moderators to remove your racist rant.
The words chinks, gooks and racism in the same subject matter and who may I ask is calling who? guilty!
as i see it your use of a derogatory term towards a minority race, would be classed as racism in itself.
Think has nothing but repeating the same rhetoric he has too, but im sure he can prove his non-existent colonialism claim, and how argentina wasnt a product of colonisation by Spain,
both were colonised the only difference is spain and argentina commited genocide on the indigenous people, The Peaceful Falklanders didnt, unless you class penguins as the indigenous people, im sure thats in the pipeline,
and argentina still remains the only country to bring war to the Falkland people, that they soundly lost, (back of the net)
SELF-DETERMINATION, The Racist troll killer.
Arg - as the party claiming us and wishing to take us over - is invited to participate in and make its argument by campaigning in the Islands to an open and Int Observed Vote following an Int monitored Campaign and Election run-up.
Do please enlighten me as to what is so terrible colonial and undemocratic and dictatorial about what is planned and offerred?
By refusing to participate Argenina shows that it is Frightened by the process and what the result is likley to be.
Therefore all the once mighty Argentina can do is rush around blustering and cajoling and whinging to all and sundry!
We probaly never expected Arg to do otherwise - as yet another nail comes out of one coffin and gets driven into the other person,s.
@26 ”As far as I am informed the FIG(leaf) has already recieved eleven written declinations of your kind invitation from South American Countries….“ That's good. As they say ”no time wasters.“
For any South American looneys that THINK that this unilunisurtifiable ”rejection” makes any difference, consider that there are over 181 other states in the world. So you nutjobs are pretty much irrelevant!
As you can see, I only included those words referring to what you Anglos consider to be “Totally Inferior Races”
I had to left out those you consider 3/4 inferior, 1/2 inferior and 1/4 inferior because of Mercopress's space limitation....
South Africa not Australia...........!
[ 48
Where did you find the French word “ unilunisurtifiable ”” from ?
You hysteric internet worm !
so how are you going to link your OWN personal racist rant with the english language, its your hot potatoe and its no good trying to blame any language for YOUR mis-use of it :))) are you not in control of your own mind?
You are evidently a Monolingual Turnip.
An Ignorant Monolingual Turnip, I may add....
No language on Earth has so many Derogatory Racial Terms as English...
No other language comes even close to English in that respect...
None....
Why do you “Think” it is so?
Judging by the quality of your previous comments, I'm positive that you are, as you describe yourself, an “Exceptionally Well Travelled ” person....
You have surely been trice to Benidorm......
Speaking about Benidorm.........
Do you know what's the Falkland Islanders favourite holiday spot ???
Bennydorm........
;-)
But the clowns have forgotten 2 important points:
1. Argentina has no legal nor moral claim to the Falklands
2. Under the UN Charter, the Falkland Islanders have the right to self determination. Just as Ban Ki-Moon sais to an Argentine newspaper last month, quote: 'People should be able to decide their own future.' And as far as the Falkland Islanders are concerned - a future without Argentina.
Conclusion: the biggest clowns are the Argentinians.
Roll on default day - 15th December and
IMF 'Red Card' - 17th December.
Heavens to Betsy, he's even been in the bar of the Royal British Legion in Dover. Not many people can say that.
I am not Argentine but i believe this is a strategic bluff...
There are no any technical conditions to make a referandum yet .
you should of thought before ranting such racism, and now your trying to distract from your wrong doing with insults and irrelevance, but the fact remains you are a RACIST! You have already proven this all by yourself.
Think, very disappointed didnt think you would stoop that low :(
And?
Your opinion doesn't change a single thing... More pointless nonsense by Argentina using the equally pointless Unasur as a mouthpiece.
It's hardly any wonder the rest of the world doesn't pay any attention to these political alliances since they are abused by Argentina and by allowing themselves to be abused they lack any credibility whatsoever.
Wanted a next prime minister to UK who should be black,migrant kid
...etc....like as Barrack Husain Obama..?
@61 whats your point?
l have never heard of half of your list, Think.
l think you're just making it up as you go along.
One term that you have listed though-“Flips”
Filipinos in PNG were refered to as Flips, but it wasn't an insult.
Along the same level as Brit, Aussie or Yank.
You are a big trouble-maker sr Think.
Anti-British for some reason & angry because you cannot get your own way as regards the Falklands.
Just a little research would prove to you that Argentina has no case.
Either you know this already or you refuse to do the research because you are frightened of what you will find.
Ergo, you are a gross hypocrite.
l recommend that you channel your abundant energy into helping make Argentina a safe prosperous country & you stop trying to steal what you KNOW you do not own.
Tends to happen if a regular visits the legion, bar just seems to fill up with unsolicited pints!
By: James Neilson
By angering Griesa, Cristina pushed country toward default
www.buenosairesherald.com/article/118087/cfk-takes-on-the-wrong-judge
Dec 01st, 2012 - 03:20 pm
Why??????
You say:
”By the way I have visited 126 places in 46 countries how about you?”
I say:
Let’s just say that I lead by a comfortable margin….........................
62 redpoll
You ask:
”Think Thank you for the instuction. Which one applies to you?”
I say:
None of that list….........., but I remenber being called ”Alemán”, “Bule”, Curepí, “Gringo”, “Gubba”, “Gweilo”, “Honky”, “Huinca”, “Mzungu”, “Sahib” and even “Sueco” at different times and places……
I'm sure you've been called “cocksmoker”!
It seems you don't understand the difference between country and county and if that wasn't bad enough you've never had sovereignty over the island nor have you ever had your own population living there. You have no legal or logical basis to take sovereignty over the islands.
See you at the ICJ if you want a internationally respected legal agreement. Oh but that's right you refuse to go since you know you'd lose since you have no rights to be there you bunch of bullying thugs.
Think has wasted thousands of hours of his “life” trolling mercopress. Chuckle chuckle...and for what?
To support Argentinas....a) historical claim to the Falklands
Resoundingly proven untrue with historical evidence proving no civilians were ever “forcibly removed” or their “return prohibited”
b) the UK breaking of UN resolutions regarding the Falklands
resounding proven untrue by the UN Secretary General
C) the islanders are pirates with no right to self determination
Resoundingly proven untrue by the UN secretary General
So finally, and with the desperation of broken man, we finally return to the only argument they ever had:
The Falklands are part of Argentina because they want them to be. There is no historical, geographical or moral claim, in fact quite the opposite. but they want them, so, they claim them.
Ultimately CFK has achieved exactly the OPPOSITE of what she wanted.
The Argentine government NEED indecision on the Malvinas question
The Argentine government NEED something they can unite their populous behind
The Argentine government NEED a common enemy
the last thing they want is RESOLUTION. A referendum that the international community can see. A finality behind which nobody can hide.
think has wasted years of his life
CFks legacy will be destroyed
Chuckle chuckle
Spot on mate 10/10
www.patagonia.com.ar/Esquel/41E_More+than+100+years+since+the+referendum.html
Do not maul your “ Dell ” computer where installed has so many browsers to write simultaneously comments under your diversed names
Slattz,,,,Marcos Alejandro,,,Forgetit,GeoffWard,PirateHunter,Isolde,José Malvinero,...Zhivago,,,redpoll,,,Conqueror,,,LightThink...HansNiesund..
.......
No one care and read this web site , just only 67 visited yesterday..so do not waste your time here..........
Cluck cluck.
oohh..sorry ,i forgot to write “ skåre ”.
Think goes racist - tries to pretend its the fault of the UK for “inventing racist terms” (not his fault for saying them)
What we need now is BK to drop in to make a /random platitude
The sock-puppet DoverOverDover to say something anti-British whilst claiming he was at Buck-Pal with his sailor-chums...
and Nostro-didimus to repeat whatever bollocks the Campora campaign team have decided for todays means of side-tracking things if somebody brings up something sensible...
And:
This weeks “Newly Made up Account pretending somebody in the UK supports CFK” is: Steve-32-uk
(Wake me up if anything significant happens)
At the same time “ Think ” will tell you that so many things are wrong about Governments,Politics and so forth.Also he is always fleeing to better,still cheaper and cheaper place to live ,the scrooge.!
Cluck Cluck.
We say:
Climb into the ring for a battle that you can't win
Swing as hard as you can swing, it will still mean nothing
Should’ve seen it coming, it had to happen sometime
But you went and brought a knife to an all out gun fight
And the only thing to save
Is the banner that you wave
To be wrapped around your grave
You’ve gone too far
(get up, get up)
Who do you think you are?
(get up so we can finish this)
Is this what you came for?
(get up, get up)
Well this means war
(get up so we can finish this)
Say anything you want, but talk will get you nowhere
The only thing you've brought was psychological warfare
Well there’s no getting out and now you got to wonder
Who will dig you out when you’re six feet under?
And the only thing to save
Is the banner that you wave
To be wrapped around your grave
You’ve gone too far
(get up, get up)
Who do you think you are?
(get up so we can finish this)
Is this what you came for?
(get up, get up)
Well this means war
(get up so we can finish this)
Lyrics belong to Nickleback (from the song 'This means war')
Think is not only stupid ,also multi named ,multi sex hyperactive freak thing and YouTube addict.
I hate videos & YouTubes said that contain spywares.
hold on there a minute partner!! I say, now hold on a minute!! Steve-32-uk Is a proper poster ( isn't he?? ) he's not a recently made up poster name. I'm sure I've seen him on here for-ever.
Now I would like to welcome back to the forum McClick!! who is an AI program, linked up to this forum in an attempt to get it to learn to sound more “Human”
You say “Thinks a racist”
I say How can he be anything but.............?
Chuckle, chuckle
Baffling.
A Racist Bunch those Bastard Bush Bogans….
What's the matter? Aren't people taking enough notice of you? You poor much-travelled sad git.
Your post about 'Squatting British Subjects' makes as much sense as Guzz's post used to.
Provide the empirical evidence the Falklands are Argentine.
Thought you couldn't ;)
Interesting article, of course MercoP(enguin)News is not interested to spread the news..
“A British oil and gas exploration company has lost over half of its market value after its major Scotia well in the territorial waters of the Malvinas islands failed to hit oil”
Does it still hurt you so much? Just let it go. You fucked up. Get over it.
Good evening Joe.....
How's the Cruise Season going?
Cactus huhhhh?, as the Ozzies say....
That's maybe why you have so much spare time to read and comment at MercoPress?
But.......
Didn't you say last time that you would never read it or commment in it again?
Nevermind.....
You also said that no Cruise would be cancelled for political reasons during this season, remember?
The flight of Icarus, Joe.... The flight of Icarus...................
I notice you haven't posted that Britain is in contravention of UN resolution XXX and YYY for a while, and that the islanders don't have a right to self-determination.
I miss all those 10,000s of posts and all the hundreds of hours you and your Malvinista friends wasted writing them.
Ignore Ban-KI-Moon...what does he know??
Keep them coming
chuckle.
Holdout investors seek deposit from Argentina by December 10
www.reuters.com/article/2012/12/01/us-argentina-debt-idUSBRE8B00E820121201
“ You won't find this story on Mercopress:
www.presstv.ir/detail/2012/12/01/275558/malvinas-oil-venture-humiliates-uk-firm/ ”
PressTV is a state sponsored News channel of the Iranian government - to quote from Wikipedia on it-
“Press TV has been the subject of several controversies. The station has been criticised for its uncritical embrace of provocative stances. For British journalist Nick Cohen the station is ”a platform for the full fascist conspiracy theory of supernatural Jewish power“[1] and for commentator Douglas Murray it is the ”Iranian government’s propaganda channel”
Maybe not the most reliable source for information........
A dry hole is not a humiliation- it is part and parcel of the oil exploration business. The huge fluctuations in share price are caused by speculative gambling on shares, and are not representative of the long term value of the prospects.
You don't like Press TV?
Do you like this source better?
”Falkland(Malvinas) Oil hit by well disappointment“
Tue, 27/11/2012 - 13:07
By Kate Holton
”LONDON (Reuters) - Falkland Oil and Gas - engaged in a roller coaster ride to find oil in the disputed South Atlantic islands - lost almost half of its value on Tuesday when it announced the abandonment of a well following disappointing results
The statement wiped 49 percent off FOGL's volatile stock, sending its shares to an historic low of 32 pence, giving it a market value of 103 million pounds”
www.iii.co.uk/news-opinion/reuters/news/62013
Never, ever, Inca-the-bitch would go to the ICJ in the issue of Malvinas because he knows he lost irretrievably. They themselves say Kershaw Report of 1983: “If the ICJ ruled in favor of Argentina, Britain would be obliged to provide adequate compensation islanders” in the same report also deny that they ever bring the issue offered the ICJ on Malvinas: only in 1948 did “dependencies”: read South Georgia and sandwiches.
Perfectly I distinguish one country (Argentina, Great Britain) of a county. Ironically (if not understood) by making England. NOBODY sure its sovereignty over a territory makes a referendum on it .... and Britain occupied the Malvinas Argentinas since 1833 ..... (minus 2 ½ months in 1982).
The Sojourn got my 110 pretty dirty yesterday for a ship that didn't show up.
Oh and Think? You need to go and save your young sprog over on the Seabourn threads. He's in a corner about to admit that Argentines are a implicated in the slave trade as us Brits.
Quoting a report from 1983 really isn't relevant to the discussion.
Neither is claiming we occupied that fantasy country in 1833, given we were there far before that date in time, 1765 to be exact and to put that rather simply the Falkland's islands pre-date Argentina in country terms.
Not that it matters since they have been under British control for 300 years and the people of the islands having lived there for many generations.
Essentially you have no argument, not legal or logical to believe they belong to you. You can continue with the belief if you wish but it won't do you any good, it hasn't since you've had it (on and off since your government has radically changed it stance several times).
The referendum you seem to misunderstand, its not because anyone is in doubt over the sovereignty, it is to execute a legal position that falls under the UN policy of self determination which essentially trumps all other arguments that may exist. It is simply a move that is utterly devastating to the Argentine position and will effectively end the argument in relation to the UN.
As for your previous argument, it made zero sense and was utterly illogical.
”Personally, having work on the tenders in Stanley harbour, I doubt it is the weather that will affect whether the ships transfer their passengers. It is POLITICS.
The good news is that the Falklands Government has decided to build a deep-water facility in Port William (where the larger ships drop anchor just outside Stanley Harbour), so the excuse of bad weather should be a thing of the past in a few years time”
cruiseforums.cruisecritic.com/showthread.php?t=1731293
Got some news for Argentina ...... it's 2012 and Ban Ki-moon has recently provided a different version of the UN's stance :-)
”You don't like Press TV?
Do you like this source better?
”Falkland(Malvinas) Oil hit by well disappointment“
Yes, I like that source much better! It states the situation correctly - it was a disappointment, not a “humiliation”.
If FOGL are bust then how come they have just chartered 2 large seismic survey vessels and are about to do a more detailed seismic survey around the existing well drill areas etc to further define more likley “hotspots” - prior to a second exploration drilling around perhaps in 2015?
The UN cited principle of “which trumps all other arguments Essentially That may exist” refers to Resolution 1514 of the General Assembly in 1960 whose aim was to end colonialism everywhere and in all its forms, complete statement:
a) “All peoples have the right of self deteminación, by virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development”.
b) “Any attempt aimed at the partial or total disruption of the national unity and territorial integrity of a country is incompatible with the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations.”
Let's see how long it was England in the Malvinas: only in Trinidad island, EIGHT YEARS from 1765-1774 when removed voluntarily and simultaneously with the French in Soledad first and Spanish from 1767. EIGHT YEARS illegal in Trinidad island, EXPELLED BY SPANISH.
From 1767-1811, SPAIN and until 1833 ARGENTINA REPUBLIC with five governors appointed by BUENOS AIRES.
PIRATES, THIEVES WE WILL RETURN.
At the Referndum nobody gives importance and is just another maneuver over the English = kelpers, -is the same- to give a veneer of legality to the indefensible.
Default has only been POSTPONED, bit early for the champagne.
Oh no one denies that you are pirates and thieves and you tried to return in 82 and are probably stupid enough to try again at some point when your leadership again confuses convenient political symbols with reality.
The garrison was withdrawn in 1774 but the British were still there.
And Argentina never had any Governors there that didn't have British permission.
Do try and learn some history.
www.scribd.com/doc/103643219/Falklands-History
Then again, what name do you give to something that leeches and feeds off others, “Parasite” I presume.
Sending a “Vulture” after a “Parasite,” somehow that seems to have a ring to it.
b) Why is the allegedly very very corrupt guy holding his fingers up a sign for victory? It's unclear from the image how he's victorious.
Herein lies the logic of Spanish speakers.
In 2008 the UNGA resolved that the right of self-determination was not qualified by the existence of a territorial dispute.
www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2008/gaspd406.doc.htm
Moreover, there is no question of territorial integrity, since the islands have never been Argentine. At least not according to Luis Vernet, his missus, and grandson.
In in his testimony to the C24 in June 2012, (with CFK, Timmerman and 90 others), Marcelo Luis Vernet quotes his grandmother's diary :
'Sunday, 30 August 1829 was a feast day for the village. Very good Saint Rose of Lima day, so Vernet has decided to take possession today of the islands in the name of the government of Buenos Aries”'.
So, Mrs V tells us it straight. If Vernet was only taking possession in 1829, then obviously BA couldn't have had possession before. No?
And Britain protests one month later.
(Funny, incidentally, that none of the vast Argentine delegation realised Marcelo just shot them in the foot in full view of the world.)
www.embajadaabierta.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/vernet.pdf
Later, in 1856 Vernet himself writes :
“… the wish, to get my Colony under the British Flag, was in accordance with my own interests and those of my colonists, which required such change of flag; because situated as we were on the Highway of Nations, we could not expect permanent prosperity, unless placed under the sovereignty of a Government capable of protecting us against filibustering or other
aggressions.
As to the grants of Land, wild cattle, and privileges, these were originally obtained not with the view to establish any claim to the Islands on the part of Buenos Ayres, but merely to secure the best protection I could for my new colony, from the Authorities for the time being, regardless who they might be.”
www.scribd.com/doc/100678683/Falklands-War-The-First-400-Years-PDF
And I presume we don't need to go yet again into the expulsion of the attempted garrison in 1833?
I can't see how Argentina can realistically keep banging on about this when the people living there have overwhelmingly rejected them. It will also be very difficult for the UN to ignore also.
The only way the situation will change is if there is a war and they are able to try and take them by force. They have a 3yr window for this before the first Queen Elizabeth Supercarrier is ready. They just need to sail through 400 km of sea gettting past the T45 Destroyers, Astute class subs and Tommahawks in the meantime, then deal with the Eurofighters and Rapiers when they get there. If you can do that..... great. Good luck with that!
The romancing is easy/free...
Very simple that to test the British(English !) racist or not....
They have no even Welsh/Scot/N.Irish origin prime ministers let alone migrant kids.
And the new governer of the Bank of England is Canadian....even!
Well done !
Your History information deserves a admiration....
Ok !...let's wait /see the new prime ministers from Carribbean/India/Pakistan.....origins....
Not to mention the future of good old Adolphe Miliband's sons ;-)
(QEPD)
Nobody is watching yoy....Relax.....
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paranoia
Get well soon....
El Think
14 Allardyce Street, Puerto Estanley.
Argentina
;-)
The question we should be asking is why are so many jewish people aligned to this thinly-veiled version of naziism? did they not read history books about WW2?
What a marvellous idea. I couldn't think of a better way to spend some of your hardly-earned service pension then with an Argetine estate agent selling plots of land on the Malvinas. Shall I let Celia know to expect a call from you if you need to speak to Think?
I can think of several ex-UK servicemen who, without marrying a local, have had no trouble buying properties inthe Falklands. Why do you seem to think it's so difficult. Is it perhaps that you fail the attitude test in real life as well as online?
147 shed-time
The only thing I don't understand is why they are so ineffectual over the Malvinas issue. I guess the whole topic is only supposed to be a diversion from reality so on that basis I suppose it works a little for them.
Just pretending......
By the way.... how's Celia's sweet old dog?
(146) Mr. McDod
As I just said to Joe; just pretending.....
Lovely house though.... Very Patagonian ;-)
Why, don't know?? It's in the fantasy part of a small minority of Argentines' minds.
Chuckle chuckle
The only way that you will return is as Prisoners-of-War.
Then you will be slaves until we are tired of you.
“UK is not violating relevant UN resolutions referred to the Falklands’ and more specifically on colonialism, people living under certain conditions should have a certain level of capacities so that they can decide their own future. And that is the main criteria of the main UN bodies. Having independence or having some kind of government in their territories. I don’t think it’s an abuse or violation of relevant UN resolutions”
Unasur, (Mainly fledgling DICTATORSHIPS and haven for corruption.)
“categorically rejected a Democratic referendum that will take in place in the Falkland Islands in March to decide the political status of the archipelago.”
U.N against Unasur one being Democratic the other a Dictatorship of banana republics, well only one winner there,
SELF-DETERMINATION Ban ki moons words, Game over :)))))
So Argentina has never had sovereignty over the islands but claims some bizarre form of inheritance from Spain which Spain refuses to acknowledge.
They then go on to claim self determination doesn't apply at the C24 forum for the UN. However this is highly amusing given one of the most sacred principles of the UN is self determination and UN Secretary General Ban Ki-Moon comes out time and time again (including last week) to state self determination applies to the Falkland Islands which completely destroys any argument Argentina has.
The only thieves and liars here are the Argentinians who are trying to colonize the islands against the wishes of their true owners. It's a good job the British are available to annihilate any invading Argentine force when you've got a bunch of nonsensical bullying thieves.
We will crush you if you try to retake those islands.
(answer: no one in their right minds)
LOL!
Actually you make a good point. The number of people trying to immigrate to the US, UK and the major Commonwealth countries is well documented. I've never thought to look up the number of people queuing to get into Argentina. Is anyone trying? I honestly don't know but it's hard to imagine many people are. I suppose there's always somebody worse off.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alejandro_Cao_de_Ben%C3%B3s_de_Les_y_P%C3%A9rez
I'm sure you could find some weak minded fool who would like to live in Argentina, if you looked hard enough and gave them enough thorazine.
Here's How Anyone Can Easily Afford to Own This Stunning View by Simply Becoming The Owner Of Lunar Real Estate
www.moonforsale.com/
There are many in Bolivia, Paraguay and Peru, unfortunately when most of them finally get to the promised land they are employed as house maids or many join or are forced to become a part of the oldest profession!
Thanks. It makes sense. Like I said, there is always somebody worse off. I've lived in a few pretty shitty places in the world and there were always people from other countries trying to get in for work.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoJveRDptDs&feature=g-logo
You have been brought up on a diet of misinformation and propaganda.
Argentina will never be able to realise its true potential as a nation until the Argentine's understand and respect the wishes of the Falkland Islanders who have a right to self determination under the UN charter.
If the Argentine government continues to use 'the Great Malvinas Lie' as a political pawn to hide poor governance and economic woes, Argentina will remain a pariah state.
Others are coming to destroy the current Argentine regime in the name of peace, freedom and democracy:
www.atfa.org/
www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnfVsoTXjK0&NR=1&feature=endscreen
Joe, Joe, Joe........
You know soooooo little about your Friendly Neighbors.....
Let me enlighten you a bit.....
www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/dec/22/young-europeans-emigrate-argentina-jobs?INTCMP=SRCH.....
The article is nearly a year old but the trend seems to continue......
(A ranch nearby has just kind of hired a couple of Welsh twins)
Want to wager what's the next ship to cancell?
Regards
El Think
Any truth in the following ?
www.lanacion.com.ar/1523451-el-peligro-de-la-campora
Like I said Think. There is always somebody worse off.
As for your premature ejaculations about the cruise ships. I said ships would not cancel due to political pressure. I said nothing about actual physical terrorism. Or are the two the same in your friendly country?
I think you've been eating too many Bluenoses.
Chuckle chuckle
seems your mental health not good,went haywire.
i know joblessness is not tolerable thing as well.
tell us how can we help to you if yo want to look around a job
could be helpfull where i have many friends in Sydney so
can be served a job in Sydney fish market ?*
* ...* is symbolize earrings, fit for you on. !
www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqWGdtyK0EE&list=FLmXPTu1f8AdGlizWNiASx2A&index=2&feature=plpp_video
You say:
“As for your premature ejaculations ........”
I say:
“Premature ejaculations” ?
“Premature” ?
I gave you three or more “Cancellations” before my “Coming”....
I woldn't call that “Premature” ;-)
www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pCLWPfZbrI&list=FLmXPTu1f8AdGlizWNiASx2A&index=3&feature=plpp_video
Delightful. So you think physical terrorism is simply all in a day's work in the Argentine world of politics. Hardly surprising.
175
I also believe that war is the extension of a country's political strategy but is that what we're talking about here? I though Argentina were claiming to be a peace-loving nation. Besides, the last time I checked, the representatives of those cruise liners weren't other States' official forces.
Do the people living in the disputed territories get a say (excepting of course in the case of Peru vs Chile which is over seabed)? The Colombian Islands off Niagara are apparently English speaking.
Just a thought.
So if you're in Stanley you've no doubt worked up an appetite reading Mercopress all day. Some would say a complete waste of one's time on an international trip but hey, it's a free world. Anyway, you'll be thinking of food by now. Where do you suppose you'll eat tonight? The Goose? Maybe somewhere newer like the Brasserie?
I'm sure that Mr. Joe Bloggs knows his Clausewitz....
Kelpers may have been “Second Class British Subjects” during many, many years....but they are no Turnips.
They have however, developed (during the last 30 years or so) a nasty tendency of whining, navel-gazing and exhibiting their “Faux Indignation” to the gallery.....
These internet idleness can never fill your pocket of course if you are not this web site employee orand a intelligence service member.
If I were staying at Celia's house I would NEVER be able to “Work up an Appetite” if you know what I mean.....
Besides, I told you before that I amNOT in Puerto Estan.kbtdw2 vdj0½tsghr3w h hggh
Opppps...... Sorry about that.... Celia's bloody cat walking through the keyboard....:-(
(181) Mr. McDod
Funny as they are, I tend to disregard those small Kelper “taunts”
@183 That wasn't for your benefit it was for JB's. I've experienced the pleasure of having a little tease acknowledged so why shouldn't he.
Mr. Joe Bloggs little tease was kind of a Freudian slip though......
Sundays in Puerto Estanley are still so boooooooring that even he, with all his money and “Social Stand” can find anything better to do than read MercoPress all morning ;-)
'American task force Argentina invites you to attend a breakfast brief: Argentina's Statistics and Runaway Inflation, Thursday December 6th, 2012 at 0900 am Rayburn House Office, Building B-369. Argentina's false information statistics have been questioned since 2007. These untrue and inaccurate numbers have cost investors $7 billion over the past 5 years, increasing the Argentine government debt and Argentine statisticans are fined for reporting statistics that contradict the government numbers. The IMF has given Argentina until December 17th to correct its statistics.'
Comment: It is quite an appalling fact that any Argentine statistican that contradicts the government numbers on growth and inflation is liable to be fined.
The Argentine government Agency INDEC still has 'the official inflation rate at 9% when the real figure is nearer 25%.
Bring on the 'Red Card'.
How can any government like this be relied upon to produce accurate historical data??
I was having a lazy day, readjusting from the time zone from which I just returned a couple of days ago. Although business class travel and all the flash hotels and gold membership airline service makes sleep come easily, none of that helps the jet lag. I can however recommend Melatonin and being spoiled by Mrs Bloggs's breakfasts in bed. So a day catching up on what I'd missed in the last two weeks while abroad seemed like a good way to spend a lot of the day. I did get out in the garden for a few hours also but now it's time to relax again.
It's always good to be back in the Falklands after being away for a while and this year I've had that experience about 8 times. I always marvel at how lucky we are to be here and how lucky our grandchildren and their grandchildren will be to be here also.
Joe, Joe, Joe.........
This is “Think” you are talking too, not ElaineB.....
Drop the“Jet Set” posturing and relax, mate...
You are boring me with your “Icarus Flight”...
I “Think I'll just drop in at the Victory and shout ”Ladies, please have the next couple of rounds on “El Think”...... Are you coming?
.
.
.
On second thoughts........................................ I better not ;-)
Oh dear, sometimes I have to remember who my audience is. Your comments remind me of something your young sprog, Tobias/TTT/What's his name said once. I apparently mentioned a trip that involved too many continents for his liking so he spouted that we all brag about our travel and wealth.
Truly I wasn't trying to. He said he couldn't believe we'd all been to as many as 4 continents. I thought about that for a while and it put things in perspective for me. You see, I had trouble trying to think of someone I knew who had ONLY been to 4 continents.
So don't take it so seriously old man. Also, believe me when I say there is nothing glamorous about flying around the world all the time no matter how good the service. The bed I was sleeping on at 39,000' last week wasn't functioning properly. I had to get up twice and reset it because the feet end keep lowering down. Trust me, it's hell up there!
I think you should go to the Vic and shout what you said. Get Ali or Cath to introduce you to everyone. Don't forget a Fred's on your way out.
@168 By is there any truth to La Campora being a terrorist organisation in control of some of Argentina's major assets, whilst bleeding them dry of assets into offshored accounts? Then I really don't know the answer.
Curious you mention your episode with Argentinean Mr. Tobias......
I had a similar episode with British Mr Slattzzz in this very thread....:
At Post (60) Mr Slattzzz proudly declares that he has been to 46 Countries and 126 Places..... and asks about my own “record”
At Post (77) I tried to break it gently to him that I have visited a couple more Countries and places that him......
(As a matter of fact, “Thinking” about it, I have visited more than 46 Countries just when in Europe! (And I’m not even counting Scotland or Wales ;-)
About his “126 places”….....:
Well ..... that’s roughly the number of populated places one went through when recentlywalking the 1,000 km long Spanish “Via de La Plata”.)
At Post (78) You can read his angry response……
Sooooo…..... You mean that “It is hell up there nowadays” because the bed doesn’t function properly?
You should try a“Tante Ju” or a “Vickers Viking” then ;-)))
@125 No UNGA resolution is BINDING. And as Ban Ki Moon has said the UK is not in breach of any UN resolutions. Forget it. Your colonial dreams are over! Forever.
@146 You wouldn't want to buy anything on the Falklands. I reckon it would burn down shortly after your face was first seen. But there are some nice spots for people like you. They have barbed wire around them and warning signs though. That OK with you? Transport is good. You may be able to get to Stanley in seconds. Not all at once though!
@152 No, you don't want them. Never mind house-trained, they aren't even toilet-trained. The best thing is to feed a hook and line down their throats and then tow them behind a fishing boat well out to sea. Fifty or sixty miles would be a good start point. What have you got in the ocean that eats raw meat? Slowly.
@165 When were you hoping to get the Espora back? Before it rusts away?
@167 And fart in latinos' faces!
@171 Surely you're not suggesting that we should gas you and then burn you? Although.......
@173 All in one big glass crater then...........
@180 Aaah, whining. The CFK speciality. Mexico....whine. Iran.......whine. China..........whine. OAS......whine. Unasur......whine. CELAC.......whine. CAN......whine. Feel free to add other CFK whining locations.
@181 Go for that. And get shot down. Or sunk. Or both.
@185 There's always the argie hunting and shooting season. Followed, where possible, by the argie castration season. There's the argie gutting season. And the argie bait season.
@188 On the seabed?
@190 Don't want castration? But it's such a tiny thing. Just you, a “friend” and a meat cleaver. Chop! Party chipolata.
I'm sure we've met before
Just because Argentina is some kind of cross between 1940s Nazi Germany and 1990s North Korea, without any of the successes and all of the bad bits, curiously supported by some of the most economically and morally barren nations on the planet, doesn't mean we need to stop buying and selling to you.
Makes me glad that the Falklands are an Atlantic territory and not in South America after all. Because quite frankly, that would be a bit sh!t.
@194 - Think, are you really going to have us believe you have been to every country in Europe? (there is 47 or 50 depending on Europe or EU).
I'm going to call you out as having a wild fantasy there boy.
You speak as if you represent the whole of SA, if your sentiments where the general attitude then it must sicken you to the core when Brazil hosts a visit by Mr C and plenty of countries are militarily linked with britain through joint navy exercises. It must hurt your very soul when britain does business (plenty of it) with all the countries of south america including argentina. You represent many people in SA but in the words of our lord ”who gives a shit'!
You say:
“Think, are you really going to have us believe you have been to every Country in Europe? ”
I say:
Well.................. Yes................... What's so ”Incredible about it?
I have resided in her for quite many years....
I have sailed her...
I have hitchhiked her...
I have interrailed her...
I have driven her...
I have flown her...
I have biked her...
I have walked her...
You poor sad bastard.
Chuckle chuckle
So you expect us to sit back when you and your like minded compatriots insult our country, invade our country, blockade our tiny islands, shun the people of a tiny island, spread falsehoods about the history of the islands, the thoughts injected in your brain by government after government and Junta after Junta as a simple trick to distract your gaze from the horrendous job CFK and her hilarious Timerman and Castro in running your country to rack and ruin. We in Britain (with plenty of our own problemos) see your like, telling the world that we are holding the islanders at gunpoint. Telling the world usurped Argentina yet your own government is scared shitless to take the whole matter to the ICJ as they know their claim is an even weaker claim that the french ... who were usurped by the spanish. Your dream is a lie.... and you've been fed it all your life.
As for post 202, more nonsense, random opinions and zero facts.
The 'UK team' doesn't want anything other than for Argentina to cease hostilities towards the people of the Falkland Island's. The 'UK team' doesn't take kindly to the aggression and bullying behavior towards the peaceful people of the Falkland Island's.
now, show us the money, 250 million to be exact. just for starters.
You say:
“Sure thing Think, care to expand on how you managed this feat?”
I say:
Ermmmm........... By conveying my physical body through miscellaneous transportation means through the territories of the various European Nations…?
However, I for one am very pro our forces having a military base on an island somewhere, acting as the last bastion protecting normal people from what is basically the final vestige of the SS and hitlerism.
I think most normal people would agree with me.
vultures already done a pretty good job of demilitarising the South Atlantic, few less pirates on the high seas.
I think 202 is dear Sussie!
“non-sense” no contraction
“malditas” that is Sussie
Do you thnk TTT and Sussie are the same? Interesting!
is now @201 .
I believe this to be Sussie as well.
Note: “UK Team”
New argentine or may be old one, they all fall at the first hurdle as their banale rhetoric is no match for the truth.
No UN resolution (even though unbinding) asking Argentina and the UK to speak has omitted self-determination or the islanders wishes as there is always a reference to UN principles and Independence which do not omit self-determination.
It is clearly incorrect to suggest the UN's stance is against self-determination as Ban Ki Moon himself told the Argentine press.
Try again Argentina, your propaganda is as effective as a piece of dust in a typhoon.
And if you are going to create a South American mafia, guys at least make it look scary so us Brits won't die laughing?
You say :
“However, I for one am very pro our forces having a military base on an island somewhere, acting as the last bastion protecting normal people from what is basically the final vestige of the SS and hitlerism.
I think most normal people would agree with me.”
......well i need to admit you unmask Argentina operation, even having a Jewish minister representing the country ( Mr Timmerman), thats oy a cover.
...you sir are a genius and represent so well tour nation.
The racist anti-semitic rants of Pirat-Alex and other Trolls, seemly a general sentiment amongst you lot, speaks volumes.
I test my case.
It seems to be very much about Argentina if one goes by what is written.
It would seem to be very m
Not suprising to see the Falklands pushed up the agenda, again.
lt is an internal matter & does not concern foreign countries, especially not Argentina.
As l & downunder says(to Argentina)“Suck it up Baby”.
(can you guess how our household will vote? snigger!).
It's already been busted, many times. Should have slinked off by now, tail very firmly between legs...
It's Patagonia's hottest boy band. That's Think on the right.
@227 Hint. Don't read it if it offends your highly honed anti-intellectual and critical sensibilities.
Or you could just stop sock-puppeting... its not like there are many folks who dont know that you've now been caught out as a sock-puppet.... or swap to using a different account at least (until that one gets sussed also).
Or, heck, and this is a BIG reach... you could just stop pretending to post as disenfranchised Brits altogether and only post under 1 name... it would save on those VPN fees for one thing..... after all its not as if using these other names gives you any credibility.
Congratulations to Prince William and Kate! :))))
@235 hahaha. The UN is made up of States that include Argentina and the other banana republics. They and the Secretary General won't be making any decisions based on this Referendum, I'd stake Anbar's life on it.
But would you bet your own life on it?
Fancy the UN not supporting the right to self-determination, which is the very basis of their charter!
Oh wait, they DO support the right to self-determination, and will be sending monitors to this referendum.
Face it, Argentina's argument of 'but we want it' won't work with the UN. It's the 21st century, not the 19th, and it's about time Argentina woke up and realised this.
You can't force your will on people who don't want you without becoming a bunch of oppressive, murderous, ethnic cleansing types. Is that really what Argentina wants? To return to the bad old days of shallow graves and one way helicopter rides?
No? Then realise that the Falklands community is OLDER than the Republic of Argentina, and they have the right to choose their own future.
www.ushuaianoticias.com/noticias/leer/11317-un-crucero-violo-la-ley-de-gaucho-rivero.html
“'will ask and supportive sister republics of Chile and Uruguay to refuse permission for these pirates port if they try to continue their provocation doing Malvinas route from Montevideo or Punta Arenas”
I always enjoy your way of showing the turnips (233) & (235) their place....
I can see that Poster (238) Steve-32-uk has already spotted the news about the “Seabourn Sojourn” due to arrive to Buenos aires tomorrow.
The captain will apparently be invited to do some explaining at Prefectura.....
And the rest of the 2012/2013 Cruise Season for this ship seems quite bleak to be frank....
www.ushuaianoticias.com/noticias/leer/11317-un-crucero-violo-la-ley-de-gaucho-rivero.html
Its Think and Dame Dover Panto Time again!!
I love your 'conversations' and the praise that Think heaps on Dame Dover. LOL
@238 Steve fake UK
““'will ask and supportive sister republics of Chile and Uruguay to refuse permission for these pirates port if they try to continue their provocation doing Malvinas route from Montevideo or Punta Arenas”
I can just see it, ” sure c'mon, please dock here. The tours are ready to leave. The T shirt stores are open. Perhaps you could spend additionally money on nice lunches. Welcome, welcome !!
BTW, you really were naughty, The rotten Argentinianse have asked us to tell you to bugger off with your ship, required dock services and gobs of cash you have to spend. LOL gusanos they are!!
Enjoy your visit!!”
Firstly, you are repeating the usual error of assuming that the UN is some sort of fair minded court of law. A bit of it is (the ICJ) but Argentina, the UK and the UN Department of Political Affairs have all chosen not to go there for whatever reason. That leaves us with the C24, the 4th Committee and the General Assembly as the fora for political engagement. So yes, I'd stake my life on it not being the single event to resolve the dispute.
Secondly, more of the same I'm afraid. “I want it” might be the right characterisation of Argentina's motivation but it is amplified by the Latin American and Spanish support it gets along the lines of “They want it and we want them to have it rather than Britain have it”. You probably know the many historical reasons why this and they do include jealousy and spite. But that's politics. The UN is made up of very selfish States.
Thirdly, it really doesn't matter how long we have been successful in holding the Falkland Islands as a Colony, we signed up to decolonisation. The only real solution without ethnic cleansing is integration into the UK or independence. Choosing to remain a colony (BOT if you must) isn't really an option if they and we want the sovereignty dispute to be resolved in the eyes of the international community. By resolved I mean got off the UN list of non Self Governing Territories via the UN GA.
Finally, apologies in advance for the poor quality of my intellectual claptrap. I realise it is all nonsense but I just can't stop myself. I need the regular cheque from BA as a hedge against the fiscally embarrassed UK Government dishonouring its pension obligations to me.
www.ushuaianoticias.com/noticias/leer/11317-un-crucero-violo-la-ley-de-gaucho-rivero.html
The Seabourn Sojourn turned off its VOR system ???
the whole article is a complete farce.
” The only real solution without ethnic cleansing is integration into the UK or independence. Choosing to remain a colony (BOT if you must) isn't really an option if they and we want the sovereignty dispute to be resolved in the eyes of the international community. By resolved I mean got off the UN list of non Self Governing Territories via the UN GA.”
DD,
You've already stated that you think Integration to the UK will not happen. And by your reasoning, the ONLY alternative is full Independence.
You seem quite adamant about that point, having stated it before.
For a start, the Falklands are self-governing, and the Referendum will take into account their Self-Determination, to retain the status quo OR open the issue up to further discussion amongst themselves, as Self-Governing.
As Self-Determination is an underlying tenet of the UN Charter itself, that must take precedence over a non-binding resolution of an irrelevant committee.
Sorry it's not to your (Argentina's) liking. I'm sure you (Argentina) would prefer an unarmed Independent state that was ripe for Forced Integration (read Colonisation) into Argentina.
Isn't that your (current Troll name, and Argentina's) true preference??
war WAR war WAR war WAR itsa coming,
fools, unsure wont be the only thing you will be unsure abt soon,
war WAR war WAR war WAR war ,
fxck em.
And why, not
wars in the east, wars in middle east, had wars in europe africa,
her time is comming,
war raw war raw,, she will get just what she deserves,
and her deluded followers will suffer ..
go on, make our day.. muggs.
You really should do your research better. The referendum will be open to anyone on the Electoral Roll. We have many Chileans who have taken up residency here and are therefore on the Electoral Roll.... as we also have St Helenans, French, Russians, Argentineans, and many other nationalities. This is a community with a mix of multi-generation Falkland Islanders, and more recent immigrants who have chosen to make this their home. (Very similar to the way Argentina's population grew......). So migrant workers who have stayed long enough to qualify for residency are entitled to express their wishes, including the resident “Chilean Population” (and the resident Argentinean Population).
Chile supports UK and Falklands:
Some Chileans making a Determination, themselves:
youtu.be/_uPHb2b2gIY
Check out the flag unfurled at 1:15
LOL
The Falklands are NOT a colony, and haven't been for nearly 30 years! GET THAT THROUGH YOUR ARGENTINIAN HEAD.
The British OFFERED to go to the ICJ on THREE occasions. THREE. Each time Argentina REFUSED!!!
Why would Argentina do that if YOUR case was so strong? Oh it's because YOU HAVE NO CASE. All you have is LIES, LIES, LIES MORE LIES AND LIES.
The people of the Falklands, and community OLDER than your beloved Republic of Argentina want NOTHING to do with you.
Why is that so hard to get through your bigoted national socialist views?
Face it, Argentina has never had and never will have ANY VALID LEGAL claim to the Falklands.
The only way to get them would be to exterminate the entire population, and become murderers. But in order to do that you will have to get through the British first.
Look to your own country and stop trying to steal someone else's.
The UN takes NO ONES side, and NEVER have. You are a fool if you 'think' otherwise. The UN was set up to protect people like those in the Falklands. And indeed they have become a self-governing overseas territory. They have their own government, and they can vote to become fully independent of Britain any time they wish. Argentina would NEVER allow them that right if they gained the Falklands, would they?
In March the Falklands will have achieved one of the outcomes as laid out by the decolonisation committee remit. They will have an independent vote on their status. The UN are not going to ignore the very thing that they have been striving for. If they do, then they go against the very principles of the UN charter. The UK would then petition for the C24 committee to be disbanded for NOT abiding by its own rules.
It's called a decolonisation committee, not a 'let's hand territories over to a 3rd party agains the populations wishes' committee. And the committee should tread carefully or they'll find their cushy number finished and they'll have to find new jobs.
Will be the day democracy ends, and dictatorships take over.
Wars will begin, millions will suffer, the innocent will get slaughtered, and the leaders will wallow in lavished lifestyles, provided by its deluded populist,
It would never happen, it will never happen.
Still,
One thing IS certain,
Sooner or later CFK will go, and fade into obscurity.
Thank god for some justice…….
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And one day, justice will be done, and Malvinas will be one with argentinian mainland.
As for your second point. The FI may well be internally self governing. The newly spun web site certainly pushes that line. The problem is that the Charter is strong on principle but short on definition. It's the member States that interpret it not lawyers and judges and not individuals like you and me. C24 may well be past it's sell by date but the 4th Committee is made up of all UN members as is the GA and it isn't redundant. They and not you, me, FIG or the residents determine if the islands are self governing, Clearly as yet they do not, partly but not totally because of the sovereignty dispute. A Referendum while the 2008 Constitution, or anything like it, is extant is not very likely to achieve any change to this demonstrable reality.
Independence, by the way, is a second best but shares one common advantage with integration and the status quo. The Security Council would engage if there was a military threat to an independent or integrated FI. That's in the Charter too but it doesn't rely on the totality of UN GA membership for its interpretation and it's resolutions are not optional.
Perhaps you could now stop this childish preoccupation with puppetry and start to engage with the issues?
Perhaps you could now stop this childish preoccupation with puppetry and start to engage with the issues?254
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justice, you mean you want to steal them.
I 'think' you have little understanding of how the UN works. It's common for Argentinians. The UN say that the opinion of the people of the Falklands are of paramount importance, and must be taken into account regarding Soveignty. You Argentinians 'think' that means that the UN is telling Britain to hand over the Falklands lock, stock and barrel regardless of the wishes of the only indigenous population the Falkland Islands have EVER known.
Tell me, DOD, why do the Falkland Islanders scare you so much? You are so afraid of them that you wish to take their liberty, their land and their property from them. 'Think' about that. A population of 40 million afraid of 3000 people who have made a success of their lives and their Islands.
No wonder the world laughs at the patheticness of Argentina when you act in this bullying and cowardly manner.
pretty much the only caught-in-the-act proven sock-puppet DoverOverDover tries to tell somebody else to knock-off the puppetry?!
Epic Fail ;-0
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”“”“@249 Great to see the Chilean community who regard the Falklands as thier home too supporting the referendum as islanders”“””
The Argentine Government are raising a complaint via the UN Security Council demanding that YouTube now remove that video as a threat to world peace.
@260 Your approach of constantly repeating a falsehood in the hope that someone else will believe it may have worked in totalitarian states of the 20 Century but it, like you, is now discredited. You can follow me around though if you like. See you on another item, my Stalker(s).
as I always say
ARGENTINA ALWAYS THE VICTIM
How would I stalk you? I dont know who you are: you use a made-up account name, pretend to be somebody in the UK, a made-up history and generally nothing at all about you is real (as exposed in other threads).
I'd have to be pretty special to be able to stalk you based on that set of non-facts.... I would also have to be bothered to do so, which I'm not....
So, overall: EPIC FAIL 2!
(PLEASE do let us all know what other forums you are stalked in though, shouldnt be too hard to expose that claim as another lie also ;-0 )
If there is a sock-puppet academy I suggest enrolling as you are currently doing very badly indeed; you clearly need some help in trying to re-establish your account as being “Legitimate”.
Obviously if/when you try to do so, dont use details that other people can check up on and discover that you are lying about them (and dont claim you're being stalked if you cant back that up either) ....
alternatively drop the fake account and your Alts and just post under one name, from your actual country.... like lots of legitimate posters do.
:-)
By its intransigent attitude and behaviors, Argentina has made itself the issue of the referendum; however, the FIG (who called the referendum) is outside Argentina’s jurisdiction. Therefore, Argentina has no control over the decision to take this question to the people of the Falkland Islands, the timing nor any other matter associated with the referendum. It is totally outside Argentina’s control. Also, by its rather strange decision to reject the outcome of a referendum before it has actually been held, it has lost an opportunity to play a constructive part in discussions on the future of a territory that, as they never tire of pointing out, is in their neighborhood. By their own actions they have dealt themselves out of the discussion and therefore, do not matter
no one insults argentina,
you lot do it yourselves quite happely.
its CFK
Dec 03rd, 2012 - 05:48 pm
I appologize for the cut and paste from another thread!
Interesting article, what is even more interesting is the fact that Seabourn Sojourn is at this moment in the port of Montevideo, being attended by our very good friends the Urugyans!!!!!
This is another proof that CFK's shouting about South American solidarity really means that South Americans, except for the Argentine government, know on which side their bread is buttered!!!!!
camaras.adinet.com.uy/inicio/index/14
I think is about time CFK ban Argentines from travelling to these countries if they choose to anchor British, Euro, and North American cruise ships who then go to the Falklands.
Dec 04th, 2012 - 03:13 pm
Tobias, remember that we don't have access to US$, so all our tourists will be paying their way with ARS$ which are worthless outsode Argentina as our dear Ministry of Economy refuses to buy them back with hard currency, so that a “few thousand” cruise passenger suddenly become a much better prize than “a few hundred thousand argentine tourists” with no worthwhile currency!!!!!!
That's just your desperate attempts at poorly veiled hyperbole.
The tourists will be paying with hard currency (even if its pesos), and your attempts to discredit the Argentine tourist, pretty much the back-bone of the industry in most of South America, always been and you know it, onlly fool the most credulous and gullible (Punta del Este, Camboriu, Porto Seguro, Viña del Mar, Jose Ignacio, Reñaca, La Serena, Buzios, Floripo.... all owe their existence to the ARGENTINE tourist... the tourist from Europe and the USA discovered these places much later when the towns were already MADE into something by the argentines).
And this has remained so through a couple of real crises in the past... there is no crisis now (no matter how hard the mercopress anti-argie coven smokes opium to make it happen). Did you know even Macchu Pichu has Argentines as one of their biggest drawers?
Ban Argentine tourist from all those locations and see how fast the entire of South America suddenly rallies to Argentina.
“think is about time CFK ban Argentines from travelling to these countries”
To isolate your country even more would be wonderful, after all theres a great model out east called North Korea you could look up to, keep all you miserable lot including Hitler Cristina and her sex toys Tin Man and Alicia Castro within your borders would do us all a favour.
No doubt their introduction will be seen as a breakthrough in democracy by everyone in South America. They're all just utter retards.
Turnip says:
“The Argentines are already fearing the she is planiing to cancel all passports in the early new year.”
I say:
Suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuure....
And the Americans are already fearing that Obama is planing to introduce communism in the early new year.*
Have you Yanki “Doomsday Preppers bought some extra ammo?
Is you Bunker in South Dakota ready?
Have you prepared a ”C” Plan?
What a Turnip !!!
*(Note to all Anglo Turnips.....: The comment above is NOT REAL, it's FANTASY ..... Please Relax.... Please do not evacuate town..... Please Don't panic.... ;-)))
You are being just too turnipy :--)))))))))))
#277 Puerto Rico voted they do not want to be a independent country, but a US State. Though I think the American people determined they do want want to support PR as a new state. Maybe asslips kirchner wants PR, she seems to be looking for an island.
When Arg finally gets rid of her they should exile her to the Falklands, she could be a chambermaid in the Malvina House Hotel and I'm sure Maximo could get a job gutting squid or scraping barnacles, they would have to keep him away from the sheep, especially the darker ones that resemble his mother.
What a brain washed argie turnip.
He has never been the same, since they took his rowing boat away lolol.
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Funny, although times have changed we, as Canadians, still swear allegiance to the Queen, I think it would be harder for someone like him to live in a place like Canada. We also host British troops on a regular basis, all services.
Perhaps mr pugwash does not live in Canada but says that to impress us, when all the time he is probably a street walker from Bangladesh.
An ex boat thief with granular ambitions ..
SELF-DETERMINATION, Put that in your pipe!!!
ThinkoGestalt:
I say:
change the record sunbeam, or at least the presentation: you've gone from mildly entertaining to entirely too garrulous and boring.
Thank you, sticky, for recommending an article about a subject I've ready about some 90 times in the latest months. Where would I be without you?
90
You're insane. If anyone uses sockpuppets here, that's Mister Cuckooror. Or should I say Typhoon? Or Filippo?
Shame on you. You're hardly advancing the Falklands cause with this xenophobic idiocy. Meds? Perhaps tomorrow you'll feel better and apologise.
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