Monday, December 3rd 2012 - 23:08 UTC

Argentina rejects complaint, accuses UK of illegal appropriation of Malvinas resources

Argentina energetically rejected the UK complaint about alleged intimidation of vessels linked to Falklands/Malvinas activities as well as the awarding of squid licences in waters close to the South Atlantic archipelago.

Gangs of thugs destroyed the offices of a maritime agent linked to the cruise industry  (Pic AP)

Argentine ambassador in London Alicia Castro was summoned Monday to the Foreign Office by the head of the Defence and Intelligence Department, Robert Hannigan, according to a release from the Argentine Foreign Ministry.

The release says that FOC officer Hannigan expressed to ambassador Castro the disappointment of the British government with Argentine fishing activities in the South Atlantic, more specifically “UK objects the licences granted for squid fishing in ‘our economic exclusive zone, EEZ,’” in reference to the Falklands’ territorial waters.

 The reason for this, according to the ambassador is “that the UK prefers to fish for our squid in the waters surrounding the Malvinas Islands, appropriating our resources; similarly they pretend to appropriate the hydrocarbons through illegal exploration and exploitation”.

 Mr Hannigan also complained about alleged intimidation by Argentine vessels against cruise vessels calling in the Malvinas Islands which, was denied by the Ambassador says the release.

 “It is worrisome that the British government ignores the statement from Monday a week ago before the International Maritime Organization, IMO, where Ambassador Castro showed that Argentina was not violating any of its international commitments in the framework of the Law of the Sea and IMO regulations, a statement that was explicitly supported by all countries from the region.

 Finally the ambassador reiterated that the legislation alleged by the UK which regulate coastal navigation between the Argentine continent and the Islas Malvinas have the purpose of protecting the natural resources under its sovereignty and jurisdiction and reject the illegitimate hydrocarbons exploration and exploitation activities developed along the Argentine continental shelf.

In this framework the ambassador reiterated Argentine willingness to dialogue for the resumption of negotiations so as to find a peaceful and definitive solution to the sovereignty dispute relative to the Malvinas Islands question.

 On Monday November 19 a gang of hooded elements violently broke into a maritime agent offices in Buenos Aires linked to the cruise industry which includes calls in the Falklands and threatened a repeat if such trips to the Islands don’t cease.

Although during the incident windows were shattered, offices ransacked and the staff fled in panic, there was no police intervention, much less arrests or reported inquiry into the intrusion.

It is also known that cruise companies have been under pressure from Argentina to avoid the Falklands when touring South America.
 

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1 redpoll (#) Dec 03rd, 2012 - 11:19 pm Report abuse
Dialogue, monologue or lecture?
2 Xect (#) Dec 03rd, 2012 - 11:20 pm Report abuse
Haha at the Argentine allegations, you really couldn't make it up.

Sometimes real life is stranger than fiction, especially in the world of Argentine politics.....
3 redpoll (#) Dec 03rd, 2012 - 11:55 pm Report abuse
Where are these resources from the Argentine Fantasy islands they call Malvinas?
4 Huntsman Extraordinaire (#) Dec 04th, 2012 - 12:05 am Report abuse
These people seriously need teaching a lesson!

Sign the below petition! Only another 99 990 people to sign before parliament will consider debating it lol!

epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/42558
5 Steveu (#) Dec 04th, 2012 - 12:17 am Report abuse
I think we must sadly be getting near to the point of breaking diplomatic relations with this sad tinpot excuse for a nation. State sponsored thuggery is the final straw.

We get absolutely zilch from them except crappy wine - Chilean is far better and I am pleased to support their wine industry - only too pleased in fact (hic!) ;-)

Until they change the government and leader any attempt at dialogue is pointless.
6 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 04th, 2012 - 12:17 am Report abuse
Your time's up Europe, time to pay for the crimes.
7 ptolemy (#) Dec 04th, 2012 - 12:17 am Report abuse
Hmmn,..I didn't see anything about this in the Argentine press. I guess it's OK to do that sort of thing.
8 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 04th, 2012 - 12:21 am Report abuse
@5

Do you think we will ever want any relation with you after you have made your thoughts about us clear?

Please, life will go on without you.
9 Pirate Love (#) Dec 04th, 2012 - 12:26 am Report abuse
one would think Argentina would have more pressing matters to concentrate their efforts on, however as a dictatorship in the making its always wise to distract the wary commoners from time to time from the reality of the pending doom!
10 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 04th, 2012 - 12:28 am Report abuse
The best thing about being Argentine is that we don't need to have “relations” with the European nations or the USA, with their unctuous, meretricious behavior of pretending to respect you as a person or your nation, but thinking you are piece of trash beneath their sole behind the back.

Good riddance, I say.
11 ptolemy (#) Dec 04th, 2012 - 12:30 am Report abuse
@10
Do you actually live in Argentina?
12 Steveu (#) Dec 04th, 2012 - 12:32 am Report abuse
@8 It's not necessarily the people, it's the regime that I despise.

The fact that you bother posting to this forum contradicts your final sentence.
13 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 04th, 2012 - 12:32 am Report abuse
Yes I know what you are going to say, that you people are so important that having no relations with you spells our doom.

Get over yourself... you are nowhere as important these days. The EU and US are now debtor nations and in the long run debtor nations are at the mercy and caprices of others.
14 Anbar (#) Dec 04th, 2012 - 12:33 am Report abuse
“”“”“It is worrisome that the British government ignores the statement from Monday a week ago before the International Maritime Organization, IMO, where Ambassador Castro showed that Argentina was not violating any of its international commitments in the framework of the Law of the Sea and IMO regulations, a statement that was explicitly supported by all countries from the region.“”“”

Why would the UK or anybody else take what Castro said at the IMO as being factual?

The head of the UN said that the UK wasnt breaking any regs or obligations at the UN, but that doesnt stop the Argentine Government perpetually whining on & on & on that they have.

And lets face facts: the head of the UN has a hell of a lot more clout than some Argentine ambassador wannabe.

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“Your time's up Europe, time to pay for the crimes.”

heh - joining the /random platitude crowd....

whodathunkit... one more sock-puppet exhibiting the same behaviour patterns as other sock-puppets.

go figure ;-0
15 Pirate Love (#) Dec 04th, 2012 - 12:34 am Report abuse
@8,@10
how many Argentines do you actually speak for, in your Paranoid quest for wishful Isolation?
Or is it just your mental health issues getting the better of you nostril?
16 Terence Hill (#) Dec 04th, 2012 - 12:36 am Report abuse
6 Nostrolldamus The 2nd

To be a crime you have to break the law. Argentina is one nation that has broken international law in 1982, a breach of UN Charter, Article 1,
4. All Members shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political inde-
pendence of any state, or in any other manner inconsistent with the Purposes of the United Nations.
The only nation to have committed piracy(a criminal act) in the last 200 years was Argentina through the actions of Jewett and Vernet against Portugal and the US.
17 Anbar (#) Dec 04th, 2012 - 12:39 am Report abuse
“”“”how many Argentines do you actually speak for, in your Paranoid quest for wishful Isolation?“””

s/he speaks for him/her and his 1000s Alts. :-0

(apparently they all get ignored though: All together now: Ahhhh, poor lil lambkins, boo hoo!)

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gosh, horror.... the Argentine Police and authorities havent even looked into this nasty thuggish behaviour, vandalism and threats. (nothing third-world about the eh? I wonder if the local police were warned off by the Govt? No? REALLY!?)

CALL THE UN SECURITY COUNCIL!

WORLD PEACE IS IN DANGER!

ARGENTINA IS THUGGERISING THE SOUTH ATLANTIC!

oh, hang-on, I'm not the Argentine Govt!

Doh! ¬_¬
18 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 04th, 2012 - 12:40 am Report abuse
@16

A BRIT gonna quote me Article 1??? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

“All Members shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political inde-
pendence of any state, or in any other manner inconsistent with the Purposes of the United Nations.”

hahahahaha. Go learn your own history.

@15

I speak for my generation, which will be in power in 20 years. Think Argentina is bad now against the world? Get ready for when us get the reigns, after growing up being attacked by the entire planet who seeks our subjugation and humilliation.

@14

The only puppets, are you, the British people, the German People, the Italian People, the French people, the Spanish people, the American people, the Greek people, etc, etc, etc... but your masters call you MUPPETS.
19 Monty69 (#) Dec 04th, 2012 - 12:52 am Report abuse
18 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#)
''the entire planet who seeks our subjugation and humilliation.''

Most people on the planet don't even know you exist. Don't flatter yourself.

And that's the wrong kind of 'reins' (not reigns, or rains). English is a hard language, isn't it.
20 Troy Tempest (#) Dec 04th, 2012 - 12:54 am Report abuse
@18Nozzy

Threats and hatred - well, I guess that's the real you.

Why do you stay on Mercopress - I thought you were an Isolationist.

You don't really give it a real go with arguments.

Are you “cross”?

Are we “wasting your time”?
21 Pirate Love (#) Dec 04th, 2012 - 12:56 am Report abuse
@18 so you are the self appointed speaker of you generation, how interesting?
** ALARM BELLS **
have you ever thought you are a deluded oxygen thief, who speaks for the population of his bedroom and nothing more, the only voices you hear are in your head they are not real people and they are certainly not your generation, they are just you views alone.
Please explain how Argentina is being attacked as history has proved Argentina is the attacker and loser at the same time quite an achievement, i think you will agree especially when its self inflicted damage and nothing is change that anytime soon,
and i dont call Argentinas behaviour “Bad” just extemely SAD.

Enjoy your planet it sounds like a party!
22 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 04th, 2012 - 01:07 am Report abuse
@21

Enjoy your delusions, anti-argie. Growing from a country the size of France to world's 8th largest isn't achieved through “losing”, but what would you know about having an expansive nation.

@19

Just Messi alone ensures everyone knows who we are. And of course that is just the tip of the iceberg of reasons why we are known (different reasons in different parts of the world).

And that is the problem. We thought the world would trade with us fairly they just wanted to destroy everything in our country: our industries, our utilities, our farmers, our print.

We learned in the 90s the hard lesson, and we never want to be economically part of you corrupt idiots again.
23 Pirate Love (#) Dec 04th, 2012 - 01:23 am Report abuse
@22 medication time Nostril, time for medication.

you are talking about stealing land from the Indigenous?
well done with that genocide, but look what happened when you tried expansion in 1982, :))) hahaaaha
Argentinas expansionism was ended there and then by wait for it.....UK,
glad to know that we ended Argentinas murderous expansionist campaign, how does that feel nostril??
beaten by a much smaller country on your own doorstep, seen as you think size matters that must be totally gut wrenching, almost sickening :)))

SELF DETERMINATION, All day every day, loser!!!
24 ptolemy (#) Dec 04th, 2012 - 01:24 am Report abuse
@22 “We learned in the 90s the hard lesson, and we never want to be economically part of you corrupt idiots again.”

Well, thank God for that, but I don't think you learned anything.
25 Monty69 (#) Dec 04th, 2012 - 01:25 am Report abuse
22 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#)
Messi? No, never heard of it.
Why would anyone want to destroy everything in your country? No. I think you did that all by yourselves.
I know you really need your 'poor me' persecution complex but I just don't believe it. You sound like a crazy conspiracy theorist, the kind of person that believes anything rather than face up to the mundane and boring truth. In this case, the truth is that you can't, as a country and a society, pull yourselves together and make something of yourselves.
Are you sure you want to ride the isolationist train? Because when your economy implodes, you won't have anyone to blame this time.
26 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 04th, 2012 - 01:30 am Report abuse
@23

War with the indigenous? Wow you are the product of British education I see.

I never have stated in my months here any issues with “losing” in the Falklands.

Especially since I saw that conflict as immoral given the state of the world towards such conflicts in the modern age.

The people of Buenos Aires stopped the British murderous expansionist campaign, because they wanted to set up a major colony in South America, the only continent without proper British domination. The British wanted a productive land, not the jungle, so they thought taking over the River Plate would be a cakewalk.

I guess that makes us even.
27 ptolemy (#) Dec 04th, 2012 - 01:33 am Report abuse
@22
So I'm all for isolation too, but when you export your products , are you going to charge the official rate for the peso or the blue rate?
28 KFC de Pollo (#) Dec 04th, 2012 - 01:42 am Report abuse
What nonsense the so called ambassador spouted. An embarrassment to her country.
29 ptolemy (#) Dec 04th, 2012 - 01:52 am Report abuse
@22
“The people of Buenos Aires stopped the British murderous expansionist campaign, ..”
Now, Nostrolldamus The 2nd , I want you to open your history book , (not your La Campora history book,) to read and learn what was going on in the rest of the world at that time. It might give you a clue why the brits were there. (Take note of the dates.)
30 Pirate Love (#) Dec 04th, 2012 - 01:56 am Report abuse
@26 so you are claiming no genocide of the inigenous peoples in “the conquest of the desert”, one of argentinas darkest moments, take a look on your 100 peso bill, there is the culprit.
31 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 04th, 2012 - 01:58 am Report abuse
@29

Oh, yes, because had you actually conquered the place and pacified it, you would have just “let it go”... who are you kidding.

Whatever the “pretext”, everyone knows what would have happened.
32 ptolemy (#) Dec 04th, 2012 - 02:32 am Report abuse
@31
My point , since you must have failed history, was that the Brits were not on a “murderous expansionist campaign, because they wanted to set up a major colony in South America,..” Do you need any clues?
33 slattzzz (#) Dec 04th, 2012 - 04:36 am Report abuse
@18 you'll be in power in 20 years time so at the moment you're about 10 then ..................figures.
@22 Messi lives in Spain mate and probably always will
34 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 04th, 2012 - 04:40 am Report abuse
@33

Nope, he returns to his home city whenever he can. No one wants to live in that hell!hole of Europe anymore, I hate to break the news to you.

That includes the UK. People are leaving in droves from that shit awful place.
35 Pirat-Hunter (#) Dec 04th, 2012 - 04:54 am Report abuse
Argentina should expropiate and auction any pirates found in or around Islas Malvinas Argentina as UK and Australia do.
www.abc.net.au/environment/articles/2011/12/13/3389001.htm
Www.en.mercopress.com.en.mercopress.com/2012/09/15/funds-from-confiscated-illegal-fish-used-to-combat-poachers-in-southern-ocean
36 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 04th, 2012 - 04:56 am Report abuse
These Euros and the anglo-saxons are really now at the edge of the chasm. I've seen a SURGE in insults and attempts at humilliation across thei internet today by these creatures... it seems something big is gonna happen, I think Europe will just collapse sometime in early 2013, the UK will break-up, as will Spain, Belgium, and possibly Italy. Germany will descend into massive anti-semitism and France will begin mass-deportations and putting immigrants in ghettos.

I won't shed a tear for them because of how they have insulted us here.
37 Troy Tempest (#) Dec 04th, 2012 - 05:08 am Report abuse
#35 ALEX VARGAS

“Argentina should expropiate and auction any pirates found in or around Islas Malvinas Argentina as UK and Australia do.”

except that the Falklands aren't yours and CFK was attempting to organise directed overfishing as a way to destroy the industry (and ecosystem) and squeeze the Falklanders.

That is criminally irresponsible in many ways - ah, but what do jealous Argentine haters care?
38 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 04th, 2012 - 05:16 am Report abuse
@35

There is no such thing as a “Southern Ocean”.

That was another vain attempt by the rest of the world to take over Argentine territory. Since any International Hydrological Organization matter regarding the change of an ocean feature requires the “yes” of a founding member and furthermore the assent of any nation directly affected by the decision... it was successfully vetoed by Argentina (against dozens of affirmative votes).

The creation of such a furciferous entity would have meant that any Antarctic claim become “transoceanic” (across the ocean), which would have been surely played by the British, Europeans, and others as a “colonial” non-starter, in order to steal Argentine land and destroy our claims.
39 slattzzz (#) Dec 04th, 2012 - 05:23 am Report abuse
@36 in your dreams pal the only country collapsing will be rgenweener, and I won't shed a tear either, why are you getting your knickers in a twist anyway, if you can't take it, don't dish it out, your fanatical dislike of anything european clouds your judgement and indeed your perception of history but I guess you've had that propoganda drummed into you since you started school, (not long ago judging by your comments). Actually Brits immigrating abroad is at it's lowest number for many years so that shoots that one down in shit. I don't really give a toss what your opinion is, but don't post non - factual bullshite, its lazy and doesn't take long to do some homework before spouting off. Just a question do you actually live in Argentina or are you like the rest of the trolls who actually live abroad and spout bile? PH
@35 and how are you going to do that, with what resources?
40 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 04th, 2012 - 05:32 am Report abuse
@39

You are the ones dishing it out against Argentina. Stop, and I'll stop.
41 slattzzz (#) Dec 04th, 2012 - 05:34 am Report abuse
@40 Do you live in Argentina? !!!!!
42 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 04th, 2012 - 05:35 am Report abuse
I don't answer to people who call me a liar.

www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/features/4257682/48-of-Brits-want-to-get-out-of-Britain-says-new-Sun-survey.html
43 Troy Tempest (#) Dec 04th, 2012 - 05:35 am Report abuse
@39 Slattzzz
“ I don't really give a toss what your opinion is, but don't post non - factual bullshite, its lazy and doesn't take long to do some homework before spouting off. Just a question do you actually live in Argentina or are you like the rest of the trolls who actually live abroad and spout bile? PH”

PH lives in Toronto Canada. His parents brought him from Argentina when he was a younger child than he is, now.
He went to Vaughan Rd Academy (High School) in Toronto. Its located in in the midst of subsidised low-income housing, known as “The Jungle”, locally.

PH (Alex Vargas) has not been back to Argentina since they left, in the 80's.
He stated on one post that he could not return. Indeed, he seems to have no idea about travel, not even across the border to the US.

One has to assume he has no Passport for travelling. It's likely he is an illegal immigrant or has a criminal record. If he leaves, he may never get back into Canada or he may get deported to Argentina - too scary for Alex!!
44 Pirat-Hunter (#) Dec 04th, 2012 - 05:42 am Report abuse
And that's all there is to that, I couldn't have said it better myself, Maybe there is a replacement for CFK after all! One thing is clear that Argentine woman have more guts then the whole Argentine army combined.

en.mercopress.com/2012/09/15/funds-from-confiscated-illegal-fish-used-to-combat-poachers-in-southern-ocean
45 slattzzz (#) Dec 04th, 2012 - 05:53 am Report abuse
@42 See what I mean? Did you actually read the article or just google it and pick off the headline. It states only 6% would actually activily immigrate, and 5% of them to Australia or New Zealand (and who would blame them), I consider lots of things like shall I go to the pub tonight, that doesn't mean I'm actually going to do it, the FACT is Brits leaving to go abroad is at it's lowest number for years, so as I said before do some homework it makes you look lazy and misinformed. I take it by your answer that you don't live in Argentina and in fact are the Engineer / Student / ships cat that lives in Sweden formally known as GUZZ
46 Santa Fe (#) Dec 04th, 2012 - 07:52 am Report abuse
26 ... an i guess your a product of the brainwashing that happens to children from an early age in rgland.

The war of the desert, the slaughtering and ethnic cleansing of the indigenous population. If you want a more recent one try the 30,000 murdered but 30 years ago by the RGs women children and nuns thrown out of helicopters. A truly marvellous history of genocide.
47 Britworker (#) Dec 04th, 2012 - 08:03 am Report abuse
It is hysterical the way they accuse the Falklands people to be a transplanted population, what the hell do they think they are. Until Argentina accepts that the Falklands people are British and are there for good, this situation will just never end and will just blight Argentine society forever.
48 Steve-32-uk (#) Dec 04th, 2012 - 09:47 am Report abuse
More Amado Boudou dribble...

'Unasur against the referendum of the kelpers in Falkland'
Vice President Amado Boudou described yesterday as “very important” the accompaniment of Unasur to Argentina, in the rejection of the conduct of a referendum in the Falkland Islands raised for next March by British authorities.
“It is important to continue with the accompaniment that we in the Falklands cause because it is the voice of all our countries,” said Boudou, who emphasized “the position of Unasur because he has explicitly rejected the possibility of attending a referendum”.
“Doesn't make sense to do a referendum on colonialism in the own settlers, who are those who in this case respond to the colonial power.” It is a good proposal to do in Argentina“, evaluated.
In that sense, Boudou highlighted the policy forward by President Cristina Fernández de Kirchner around the claim of sovereignty over the Islands, arguing that it is a position which, he said, ”is accompanied by the right but also geographical and historical issues“.
”The solution is in peace, and for this peace, as the President said, we need that the colonial power feels to the roundtable dialogue; It is all we ask at first instance; to be able to sit and discuss”, reiterated the Vice President. (Thelma)'

www.lacapital.com.ar/ed_impresa/2012/12/edicion_1489/contenidos/noticia_5192.html
49 XAVIERV (#) Dec 04th, 2012 - 10:14 am Report abuse
Go back to your country “friend”! What are you doing here in the middle of wild like us? Do not you see that he is in the wrong place are you? Here in the south we are barbarians! We are a people underdeveloped Like our neighbors, you alone are developed and sophisticated. Go back to your neighborhood with the people in your class because here in the suburbs are violent and irrational and when we break something we do not like it! These things do not happen in London! Go back to your refined manners people here are very basic and primitive. Do not you see that we want the best for you? We want you link you with people in your class and not with this mob around you!
50 reality check (#) Dec 04th, 2012 - 10:31 am Report abuse
”It is all we ask at first instance; to be able to sit and discuss”, reiterated the Vice President. (Thelma)”

All the Falkland Islanders ask is you recognise their Right to Self Detemination.

How many times do you need to be told, you do not get one without the other.
51 lsolde (#) Dec 04th, 2012 - 10:50 am Report abuse
@49XAVIERV,
Pretty tough man/woman are you?
l like tough people, that why l moved here.
But tough people with manners.
lts not hard to do.
btw- you obviously don't know much about London.
There are some hard men there.
52 ChrisR (#) Dec 04th, 2012 - 11:10 am Report abuse
Apparently the Red Haired Cow was furious to be called into the FCO and 'have her time wasted' having refused several attempts at 'have a cup of coffee with us' approach, so she engineered it all along.
53 reality check (#) Dec 04th, 2012 - 11:26 am Report abuse
I just had a closer look at the photograph accompanying this story. Left of centre in the background, is an unmasked man. Looks like he is wearing a Green peaked cap and shirt. Is this a uniform I wonder?
54 Clyde15 (#) Dec 04th, 2012 - 11:30 am Report abuse
Nos -your quote
I speak for my generation, which will be in power in 20 years. Think Argentina is bad now against the world? Get ready for when us get the reigns, after growing up being attacked by the entire planet who seeks our subjugation and humilliation.

I think you are being a little histrionic here. Where is the evidence that the entire planet seeks your subjugation and humiliation?
If you ignore this forum then I think you will find that Argentina rarely figures in the world news. My only “quarrel” with your country is their attitude over the Falklands.
Most of the posters here engage in rhetoric trying to win a point over the opposition and then the debate gets more and more pointed with each side claiming the moral high ground.
Talk of nuclear war is absolute rubbish, Argentina is not a target as far as the UK is concerned. I have no hatred of the Argentinian people and I am sure that in the UK we have just the same mix of opinions and aspirations as the Argentinians and the rest of the world's population.
Don't take this forum too seriously - there cannot be more than about 20 people who post regularly.
Time will tell
55 M's Bulldog (#) Dec 04th, 2012 - 12:15 pm Report abuse
@54 Clyde
I know nobody is interested in compliments on this forum but I have to say your response is the best here, hats off tou you.

Nostrolldamus!, no British want war or aggression with your country, and remember there are only a few people on this fourm that speak of it. You don't need to worry about us STARTING any aggression with your nation as it simply won't happen.
56 Steveu (#) Dec 04th, 2012 - 12:47 pm Report abuse
@54 Clyde

Yep - you've pretty much nailed it.

If they just got over this crazy obsession with the Falklands, we'd all be happy.
57 M_of_FI (#) Dec 04th, 2012 - 01:21 pm Report abuse
@36 - Nostrolldamus The 2nd

Interesting theory. I think you would have got on well with Anders Breivik.
58 Shed-time (#) Dec 04th, 2012 - 01:50 pm Report abuse
We all ask the question, what were the german police doing during the night of the long knives on june 30th 1934 when the brown shirts were smashing jewish shops, and the answer was nothing. In this case, the Argentinian police were doing nothing while Quebracho, the millititant wing of the international terrorist group la campora were smashing up shop windows.

Unlike with the 'National Socialist' movement in 1934 we would be wise not to leave this ideologically aligned movement unchecked. Otherwise, I dare say, history will repeat itself.

Secondly, discussing the sovereignty of the falklands with these terrorists would be worse than discussing the sovereignty of poland with the nazi germans. It would essentially be a war crime, and devoid of any kind of morality.
59 briton (#) Dec 04th, 2012 - 02:26 pm Report abuse
Argentina only seems to pick on the little guys,

Bullies will always get there come up pence, sooner or later,
CFK and her indocronoughts will just fade into nothing,

And you argie bloggers can go back to your class rooms until the next time your indoctrination is needed,

you are going downwards faster than a quick fit quid .
60 Steveu (#) Dec 04th, 2012 - 03:46 pm Report abuse
@53 Realitycheck

I would also say that this photo is of reasonable quality - probably better than someone who was a bystander and who caught it all on their iPhone. It looks like they took a photographer with them. This is looking more and more like a government job.

I'm not sure if the uniformed person is an oversight (let's face it they are pretty inept at everything they try) or a more sinister message - “don't expect the police to do anything”. Mind you, if they can't pay their wages in the near future, they'll be no police anyway.
61 Simon68 (#) Dec 04th, 2012 - 04:00 pm Report abuse
60 Steveu (#)
Dec 04th, 2012 - 03:46 pm

The uniformed guy in the background looks suspiciously like a gendarme (border guard), but it could be just a by-stander in somewhat military clothing!!!
62 Shed-time (#) Dec 04th, 2012 - 04:11 pm Report abuse
Can someone explain this to me...

So there are two men in arab style scarf masks, one of which is savagely beating a bin bag that is lodged in a rotating door. In the meantime this is overlooked by a man wearing military uniform.

This photo is seriously in need of some context.
63 Conor J (#) Dec 04th, 2012 - 04:18 pm Report abuse
Ahhhhh.....thick as shit Argies again I see? They want to register their hatred at the UK. So they do this by attacking a local business, employing their fellow Argentines?
64 Conqueror (#) Dec 04th, 2012 - 04:38 pm Report abuse
@6 Guess who's dying? 25% inflation, strikes, billions in debts, nearly 50 cases in the ICSID (more than anyone else), court cases everywhere important, no credibility at the UN, shortly to be thrown out out of IMF, World Bank, G20. But it's a wonderful land for queers. If you aren't one when you go there, you will be by the time you leave. Whether you like it or not!
@8 You don't know what we think about you. We're not allowed to use words like that on here.
@10 Not trash. Far lower than that.
@16 Argieland has broken far more laws than that!
@18 I understand now! You're 1. Have you considered that there may not be an “argieland” in 20 years' time? You are pissing off an awful lot of people. WE are just amongst those with the greatest reason to hate you.
@22 The world's largest grouping of queer faggots?
@35 Except you can't. Because the place doesn't exist! Do you read “Peter Pan” a lot?
@36 You ignorant, brain-dead paedos have never been insulted. We have only told you the truth about yourselves!
@42 So you only talk to yourself?
@49 Oh, goody. “Wild barbarians” are put on the planet to be hunted, killed and, eventually, exterminated. Where can I book a hunting trip?
65 reality check (#) Dec 04th, 2012 - 04:57 pm Report abuse
@60Stevue
Just zoomed in on the reflection in the glass of the door, looks like there is a guy there also taking photographs, looks like there was more than one cameraman, no doubt photographs appeared in local press. Smells like a set up to me.
66 Frank (#) Dec 04th, 2012 - 05:20 pm Report abuse
@62 Shed-time
'Can someone explain this to me... '

These are the same two thugs plus cameraman that they always trot out.... daubing paint on the HSBC building, sticking on a blue outside the British Embassy, keeping a vigil outside a hospital when KFC is allegedly having an op.
Sometimes they muster 3 or 4 thugs... they wear masks so we can't see that it is always the same handful of people.
The Gendarme is not fussed as he knows its just a bit of play acting.
67 Yuleno (#) Dec 04th, 2012 - 05:31 pm Report abuse
Monty.
English is a difficult language and learning it is hard,isn't it.
68 Brit Bob (#) Dec 04th, 2012 - 06:35 pm Report abuse
More 'Malvinas Lies' to feed the uneducated domestic market and hide the fact that the current comedy club running Argentina couldn't actually run a corner shop.
69 toooldtodieyoung (#) Dec 04th, 2012 - 06:58 pm Report abuse
65 reality check

Of course it was, just like the mob that attacked the British Embassy back in june, remember that?

“there was no police intervention, much less arrests or reported inquiry into the intrusion”

But plenty of people with camera's , so it would seem............. I think you have about as much chance of catching these criminals as you have knitting fog.
70 Monty69 (#) Dec 04th, 2012 - 07:21 pm Report abuse
67 Yuleno
Yes. That's what I said. Do you have a point?
71 Pirat-Hunter (#) Dec 04th, 2012 - 07:42 pm Report abuse
#47 Fakland is a corporate like coca cola, amazing the crap UK spoon feeds you and plants in your head, and why does UK denied the british illegal aliens in Malvinas Argentina the right to return and their self determination in UK as they seem to cheer all the time but blame others for it. Sorry keep digging the hole we want a lot of dirt to bury you under. We don't dispute the illegal aliens are Brits what we will like to know is when will they go back home. Islands Malvinas Argentina is not for sell and if it was maybe you should pay over due rent.
#50 we Argentine demand to have the same rights of self determination in Argentina but do to illegal British occupation we never did now we want the UK to give the illegal aliens the right to self determination in UK as they are British and Argentine to be free from illegal occupation. Let's hope the 3000 white pirates fix their problems when they go back to UK rather then blame Argentina who live under occupation.
#52 can you blame her, she needs a passport to visit her own country while the illegal aliens dictate her schedules. I would have told them to go back to their country where self determination is granted by UK and end the BS planted by corporates like fakland holdings.
#54 What the hell are you talking about nuclear war? Lol I am all up for a nuclear defense program 100% made in Argentina when I hear the english threaten my people with nuclear war. Every time the english mention weapons threats or arms terrorists, I promote and cheer a the nuclear defence program to see how much of a fair fight the english can put up with. And no, it official the english don't like fair fights, that's why when you plan something you must do it behind their back and end his misery with a back stab.
#54 lol evidence ? As soon as you provide evidence that the illegal aliens in Malvinas Argentina working for falkland holdings got a land title from luis Vernet we might discuse your problems with UK.
72 Steve-32-uk (#) Dec 04th, 2012 - 07:43 pm Report abuse
More FI related news ...

“The Malvinas are Argentine, with the full backing of Ecuador - President Rafael Correa also expressed solidarity with Argentina in litigation against vulture funds and stressed ”the urgent need to strengthen Latin American unity.“ He also stressed: ”Latin America is a world power“
www.politicatandil.com/noticias/Nacionales/71145:3/-Las-Malvinas-son-argentinas,-tengan-todo-el-respaldo-de-Ecuador-.html

'Correa expressed support for the Falklands Cristina against vulture funds'
www.unoentrerios.com.ar/pais/Correa-expreso-su-apoyo-a-Cristina-por-las-Malvinas-y-contra-los-fondos-buitres-20121204-0036.html

'Malvinas national cause - 'Deputy Guillermo Mendoza Carmona spoke about the islands at the headquarters of the Secretariat General Iberoamericana in Madrid.'
www.parlamentario.com/noticia-50610.html

'The lower house will receive the President of Austria - Julián Domínguez Heinz Fischer will be given to the ”Declaration of Ushuaia” over the Malvinas cause.'
www.parlamentario.com/noticia-50616.html
73 Monkeymagic (#) Dec 04th, 2012 - 08:11 pm Report abuse
This is a funny thread...

The unhinged Nostrolldamus, who is either on a huge wind-up, or needs serious psychiatric help. Funny though...

And Pirat-hunter. Sad fekker that one. He thinks the Falklands are part of Argentina. He is too stupid to realise, they never were, aren't now, and never will be....and he thinks nuclear weapons are the solution LOL. He even tries to use Vernet in his argument...mental!!

Funny funny funny...
74 malen (#) Dec 04th, 2012 - 08:33 pm Report abuse
25 “Messi? Never hear of it”
Well, he is a magic flea. La pulga, in spanish.
75 slattzzz (#) Dec 04th, 2012 - 09:06 pm Report abuse
@71 funny no one has threatened rgenweener with nuclear weapons although it is good that you know we have them (lots of them), especially when you spout about having a nuclear defence capability in rgenweener and making it a fair fight etc etc whilst you live in FOOKIN CANADA. Why all this shit about iraq, afghan etc killing women and children. Oh I've got it you're an RG muslim living in FOOKIN CANADA !!!!!!
76 Troy Tempest (#) Dec 04th, 2012 - 10:00 pm Report abuse
@53 Reality cheque

“I just had a closer look at the photograph accompanying this story. Left of centre in the background, is an unmasked man. Looks like he is wearing a Green peaked cap and shirt. Is this a uniform I wonder?”

“Thuggery from the shrubbery” Campora field tactics

Sneaky bastards, sending government 'overseers' to supervise the thuggery.

That is Sgt. Latrine from CFK's Praetorian Guard.
77 Joe Bloggs (#) Dec 04th, 2012 - 10:39 pm Report abuse
76 Troy

No doubt the police have these photos and are pursuing him. Apparently his cap got knocked off in the scuffle and they want to return it to him.
78 Clyde15 (#) Dec 04th, 2012 - 10:47 pm Report abuse
#71
I see your post is up to your usual high standard.
You say ”We Argentines - make up your mind - are you Canadian, (God help Canada) -or Argentinian ? Why don't you visit Argentina and make your feelings known in the local press - especially about nuclear weapons.
As to the “English ” threatening Argentina with nuclear war, I don't think so. As I said already, it is just posters racking up the rhetoric in reply to other postings. It is a bit like a school playground - my Dad could beat your Dad.
I think you will find that no one posting here has ANY control over the UK's nuclear arsenal no matter what they may say in the heat of the moment.
The English don't like fair fights ? The UK have not had many “fair fights” . They have usually had to take on better prepared countries and still pulled through - with the help of friends such as Canada, who generously allow you to breathe their air.

The last fair fight,we had on our own, was against a back-stabbing country - guess which one -who attacked a virtually defenseless Island and imposed military rule on them. With all your advantages as to location and manpower, you were well and truly beaten by a smaller force.

I suggest that you spend your time more profitably in learning English as some of your rants are unintelligible.

#72
Do we care? Actually NO.
79 Pirat-Hunter (#) Dec 04th, 2012 - 11:18 pm Report abuse
#73 and #75 nop I never claimed fakland holding to be Argentine, I agree the firm is british and also wonder when UK will allow them to go home to have their rights to self determination in their land as it should be. And I didn't try to use luis vernet, Malvinas Argentina was settled by him or how do you think the cows fakland holdings stole got there to start with? Do a DNA check on the cows if you don't believe me. I don't think you have a say in civilians like me supporting a home made nuclear defense program, in any case you are the reason for such a support, if I didn't think Argentina was under threat I wouldn't want them to waste the money, but as I see how UK and USA go to war against Muslims because of resources I consider it an investment in the safety of Argentina to build one. Now if you don't agree then consider asking USA or UK to take theirs down, I am sure you do like fair laws, prove it, or be cool when the table turns. You sure do have a weird sense of humor, I was serious as you can read above no one give me a LOL.
#75 stop crying already! when the illegal aliens in Malvinas Argentina go back home to UK I will go back to my beloved Argentina, until then we are going to be equals. Lol you might get lucky sooner if Argentina had a nuclear defence program so I could go back home and feel safe. But right now Argentina is under british occupation. So start getting used to living with blacks, muslims, gypsy's and now Argentines as myself. The worst part is that I can piss on your shoe as you pissed in ours and if you do anything about it you'll be jailed by your government, killed by dissidents or beheaded by extremists, funny how the world gets smaller and smaller for some people, most English people here live in fear of Argentina when they should be doing things right to fear none.
#76 get used to it I would have done the same if I was there. And I would have done it for free. Now to the goody part, did you see the beautiful bandanna they wore?
80 St.John (#) Dec 05th, 2012 - 04:21 am Report abuse
@ 35 Pirat-Hunter

“Argentina should expropiate and auction any pirates found ...” - using the ARA Libertad to hunt them down?
81 Troy Tempest (#) Dec 05th, 2012 - 06:16 am Report abuse
@79 Pirat - Alex

“ And I didn't try to use luis vernet”

Ummm, I remember that post, as well. You are lying.

“ Lol you might get lucky sooner if Argentina had a nuclear defence program so I could go back home and feel safe. But right now Argentina is under british occupation. So start getting used to living with blacks, muslims, gypsy's and now gay Argentines as myself”“

...ramblings of a looney. :-D

” I can piss on your shoe as you pissed in ours and if you do anything about it you'll be jailed by your government, killed by dissidents or beheaded by extremists”

WHAT are you rattling on about??? Are you confused, are you referring to your brave military urinating and defecating in Falklanders civilian homes??

Whatever will you say next? It's totally random

LOL !!!
82 Monkeymagic (#) Dec 05th, 2012 - 08:26 am Report abuse
The cows in the Falklands were bought there by the French. I thought everybody knew that!

The French had a civilian settlement, and left voluntarily
The Spanish had a civilian settlement, and left voluntarily
The British had a civilian settlement, and left voluntarily
Vernet had a private enterprise, and remained long past 1823.
Britain re-established a civilian settlement and stayed.

No Argentine settlement...never.

In fact there has only been three Argentine/United Province “moments” on the islands. None of them last more than a few days.

Jewitt the pirate.
Mestevier and the mutinous, raping, murderers
1982 humiliation

Pirat, I have no issue with an Argentine “nuclear defense programme”, I would find it hilarious. pray tell me, once you have bankrupted your country developing the warhead, how are you going to deliver it? What is you delivery system?

Chuckle...you are a laugh a minute.
83 Steve-32-uk (#) Dec 05th, 2012 - 09:36 am Report abuse
'Hundreds of tourists stranded by blocking a cruise that would Malvinas - After summoning the ambassador Castro , the ship Seabourn Sojourn, British flag of convenience, is delayed in the port of Buenos Aires. '
www.infobae.com/notas/684905-Cientos-de-turistas-varados-por-el-bloqueo-de-un-crucero-que-iba-a-Malvinas.html
84 Shed-time (#) Dec 05th, 2012 - 09:36 am Report abuse
@82 I really struggle with finding anything but shamelessly repeated fallacy in any of their supposedly reasoned arguments about ownership of the islands. Are they aware that they're utter fools? Because sometimes I don't think they are.
85 David Cameron (#) Dec 05th, 2012 - 11:28 am Report abuse
Who gives a flying f*** what retards like Nostrolldamus the Argy troll has to say. I say go f*** yourself you deserve it. Your county if you can call it a country is doomed to fail no f***** like you everyone wants you to fail so that they can laugh at the mess you get yourselves in. Time and time again you show the world what utter twats you are, you get yourselves a president who screws everyone one of you every time you vote and your that thick and stupid that you believe every word that the crooked bastard that is your president now tells you. Its right best that you are down that part of the world where you can only damage the country's that surround you, the only beacon of light near you are the Falklands and you morons even want to f*** that place up.

If you were any place else in the world the rest of us would have invaded you to put you on the strait and narrow to try and put you on the path of rightness and prosperity. Oh how the rest of the world just chuckles at your sorry state of affairs and giggles at the stupidity of your people who must like to be f***** over when electing morons who thieve of the gullible.

You can only look at the Falklands Islanders and weep at their prosperity your that thick and stupid you even gave away your rights to a share of the wealth that will be coming to those people. What type of people do that, answer frigging Argentine Muppet's who elect Argentine dictators who screw them every time You frigging deserve everything that you have, high inflation, high crime, a poverty level that makes any African third World country look like millionaires. You deserve it all you frigging stupid corrupt puppets.
86 Simon68 (#) Dec 05th, 2012 - 01:12 pm Report abuse
83 Steve-32-uk (#)
Dec 05th, 2012 - 09:36 am

I have said this in one of the other threads, but I must repeat:

M/V Seabourn Sojourn has been tied up in Montevideo Harbour since 11:00 hs 03/12/12, she has not been to Buenos Aires harbour, so your infobae article is just a load of bullsh*t, typical CFK propaganda!!!!!

Check your sources before writing crap. PELOTUDO!!!!!

camaras.adinet.com.uy/inicio/index/14
87 Gordo1 (#) Dec 05th, 2012 - 01:36 pm Report abuse
@69 Monty - Messi is an Argentine footballer who plays for Barcelona. He is a player who is considered by some to be as good as the best Argentina has ever produced. Of course, as a nation the only fame it has is to produce and export footballers.
88 Monkeymagic (#) Dec 05th, 2012 - 03:08 pm Report abuse
87 Gord01

What confuses me about Argentine football is that they claim to have won the FIFA World Cup on two occasions, 1978 and 1986.

However, we are also told that between 1976-1982, nothing that happened in Argentina is the fault of the Argentine people as they were under the dominion of the military junta.

I would recommend that the name “Argentina” is removed from the trophy for 1978, and is replaced by “military junta 0f National Reorganization Process”.

It's only fair!!! LOL.
89 Yuleno (#) Dec 05th, 2012 - 04:59 pm Report abuse
Britain will have a greater austerity experience than predicted last week.Honest gvt releasing the truth piecemeal.
90 St.John (#) Dec 05th, 2012 - 06:29 pm Report abuse
@ 83 Steve-32-uk

“Hundreds of tourists stranded by blocking a cruise that would Malvinas ... the ship Seabourn Sojourn, British flag of convenience, is delayed in the port of Buenos Aires. ”

How extremely stupid.

I suggest you read the comment from “raferrari” who understands what can happen next: Montevideo or Punta del Este as base port, where several million US$ are spent buying supplies, to and from where the tourists fly in and out, where the tourists spend one or more nights in hotels and visit restaurants, bars, night clubs and casinos. Argentina stands to lose at least 50 million US$ in much neede foreigh currency if the cruises change base and avoid Argentine ports.

Look at the itinerary for the cruises and see how easy it will be to change “Buenos Aires, Argentina; Montevideo, Uruguay; Port Stanley, Falkland Islands; ...” to “Montevideo, Uruguay; Port Stanley, Falkland Islands; ...” www.cruisetimetables.com/visitingportstanleyfalklandislands-jan2013.html
91 Joe Bloggs (#) Dec 05th, 2012 - 06:30 pm Report abuse
UK = AAA rating
Argentina = -B rating and falling
92 Falkland Islands (#) Dec 07th, 2012 - 01:24 am Report abuse
these raids must be costly. by the time you pay the thugs to do the job, pay the police to keep away while they are doing it and other people working behind the scenes, with the little money they have left they smash up their own buildings. :) the mind boggles!
93 Pirat-Hunter (#) Dec 09th, 2012 - 12:33 am Report abuse
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