Tuesday, December 4th 2012 - 19:31 UTC

Falklands’ lawmakers at BOT meeting with UK ministers in London

The Joint Ministerial Council met for the first time on Tuesday bringing together political leaders from the Overseas Territories and UK Ministers to work together on several issues including strengthening economies and the environment.The Falklands government is represented by members of the Legislative Assembly Jan Cheek and Sharon Halford.

Minister for the Overseas Territories, Mark Simmonds opened the event. (Photo: FCO)

Falkland's MLA's Hon. Jan Cheek and Hon. Sharon Halford during the BOT meeting. (Photo: FCO)

Minister for the Overseas Territories, Mark Simmonds, opened the first annual Joint Ministerial Council bringing together political leaders from the Overseas Territories and UK Ministers to drive forward implementation of the vision and strategy set out in the June 2012 White Paper The Overseas Territories: Security, Success and Sustainability.

The Council aims to agree priorities and plans for the UK and the Territories to work together on wide range of issues including: building successful and resilient economies; harnessing support from the Commonwealth and the EU; cherishing the environment and creating green growth; working together for better government; building stronger, healthier and safer communities; health; and education.

The Prime Minister will welcome elected leaders to Downing Street on Wednesday: the first time that Territory leaders have had a collective meeting with a Prime Minister. Ministers and senior officials from wide range of UK Departments will take part in the Council, demonstrating the commitment from across government to working with the Territories.

Speaking ahead of the meeting Foreign Office Minister, Mark Simmonds said he was delighted to welcome elected leaders from the Overseas Territories to the Joint Ministerial Council.

“This is an opportunity for us to strengthen our work together to build flourishing communities, proudly retaining aspects of their British identity, creating new opportunities for young and future generations and protecting natural environments to the highest international standards.

“This year, we have demonstrated our commitment to preserving the astounding natural environment in the territories, by establishing a new Marine Protected Area in South Georgia & the South Sandwich Islands and launching Darwin Plus, the new Overseas Territories Environment and Climate Fund.”
 

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1 Britworker (#) Dec 04th, 2012 - 07:54 pm Report abuse
This is good news. The UK needs a mature and modern relationship with its overseas territories, we all need to get much closer in years to come
2 Pugol-H (#) Dec 04th, 2012 - 07:58 pm Report abuse
Curious what was said about the “C 24”, must have come up as they all have the same problem.

Wonder how long before Ban-Ki Moon is invited?
3 ChrisR (#) Dec 04th, 2012 - 07:58 pm Report abuse
What is the betting the trolley dolly will be back at the FCO to make a formal complaint on behalf of TMBOA?
4 briton (#) Dec 04th, 2012 - 08:03 pm Report abuse
Mark Simmonds,
This is all very well,
But when you have out of control yobs and deliquescent thugs like argentina and Spain hanging abt, just waiting to pounce,

Words will have to be backed up,
Gibraltar has a new police boat, but as some as said, its not the job of the police to shoo of Spanish incursions, that is a job for the Royal Navy,

If you are seen to be weak, then you will be abused,
While the British government stays quiet and using her silence to embarrass CFK, it don’t stop trouble emanating from them, does it,
The day is dawning when the British will have to back this up with a little might,,
Before we get caught with our pants down again,

At the very least you could stop over HMS Illustrious with her apache gun ships in Gibraltar as a show of force, but you wont, as at this very moment British paratroopers are in Spain training them to parachute with us , don’t want to upset the apple cart do we,

So please,
Less talk talk, and bit more vigour,
Your beginning to sound like CFK .lol.

.just an opinion.mmmm
5 toooldtodieyoung (#) Dec 04th, 2012 - 08:25 pm Report abuse
4 briton

There again is that “Talk softly but carry a big stick”

The Royal navy needs to be 4 times as big. The two new Aircraft carriers are great, really great..... But we need 4!!

If the T45's are such a wonderful thing then why, oh why do we not have 24 of them?

If the type 23's are “The most capable submarine hunters in the world” then why do we only have 13 of them?

The American's say that a country that has a strong navy can take a much of a war as it wants, it can threaten without beuing seen to threaten and then, once it's made itself felt, disappear over the horizon and is once again, out of sight, out of mind.

Now would be a good time to biuld some more “Big Sticks” wouldn't you say?
6 briton (#) Dec 04th, 2012 - 08:32 pm Report abuse
agreed,

as mr camaron scrapped so many ships , subs , troops , planes,
we are seen as weak,
we both know we can obliterate them both together at the same time,

but to use a stick once in a while, may save many lives later.
7 Islas Malvinas (#) Dec 04th, 2012 - 08:38 pm Report abuse
Overseast Territories?
XXIst Century´s Colonialism
8 briton (#) Dec 04th, 2012 - 08:50 pm Report abuse
Islas Malvinas
You are just blatantly jealous and very envious of the British
You post should read,

[XXIst Century´s argentinian Colonialism ]
Should it not.

.
9 Vulcanbomber (#) Dec 04th, 2012 - 08:54 pm Report abuse
islas malvinas, like your made up name, you are nothing.

You obviously crave the sort of freedoms the overseas territories enjoy, and want to remain as, whereas you have no rights or freedom. You cannot even use Paypal or pay in dollars thanks to power hungry cfk

One day you will wake up and see how the peronists have wrecked your country and made the whole world hate you
10 slattzzz (#) Dec 04th, 2012 - 08:57 pm Report abuse
@7 Overseast Territories? where are they? Oh you mean OVERSEAS territories, I thought you meant the ones we have out east, silly me :)
11 brucey-babe (#) Dec 04th, 2012 - 08:58 pm Report abuse
@5.
Spot on, in fact if we stopped sending £billions in aid to despot countries and stopped paying £billions into the EU we could comfortably afford these new ships.
12 briton (#) Dec 04th, 2012 - 09:02 pm Report abuse
very true.
13 Tabutos (#) Dec 04th, 2012 - 09:08 pm Report abuse
11 maybe its now a question of how big the stick is but a question of how sharp the stick is?
14 Vulcanbomber (#) Dec 04th, 2012 - 09:58 pm Report abuse
13,

they dont like it up them
15 Britworker (#) Dec 04th, 2012 - 09:59 pm Report abuse
BAE Systems are concentrating on advanced weaponry, you don't need a vast armada of ships if your weaponry is infinitely more advanced than your opponent. For example One T45 destroyer in the south Atlantic and not one South American country would dream of taking it on.
16 Shed-time (#) Dec 04th, 2012 - 10:22 pm Report abuse
Ah, I love the smell of 'free association' in the morning.
17 Xect (#) Dec 04th, 2012 - 10:33 pm Report abuse
To be honest, having a much larger Navy is a nice thought.

However we already spend over 70bn a year on defense which makes us the 3rd largest military spending nation in the world. I think it would be unreasonable for us to spend more in this economic climate, lets spend more developing our economy further and then when the world markets recover maybe rethink how much we spend?

Xect.
18 Shed-time (#) Dec 04th, 2012 - 11:05 pm Report abuse
@17 The issue is that a ridiculous amount of our defense budget is spent on sourcing and acquisitions. Additionally, things that are eventually sourced are rarely delivered to schedule, impacting on their cost and ability to add value.

A few billion saved here would be able to buy a few more boats, I dare say.
19 Xect (#) Dec 04th, 2012 - 11:22 pm Report abuse
I'm ex-military and I can say that is pretty normal across other nations armed services too but yes I completely agree with you.

The problem historically is when military officers trained for warfare are used in procurement projects/project deliverable, very smart folk but with the wrong skillsets and when that is combined with extremely high tech machinery it often leads to lots of mistakes or contractors taking the military for a ride.

I always remember when I was in the RN, we purchased walkie-talkie type radios for general use on part-of-ship work i.e. coming alongside and I found out the military was paying almost double what they were selling for in a shop 5oo yards from the dockyard entrance.

Still when it all comes together and we have Type 23's/45's, Astute class submarines and similar it was all worth it.

We were so much better than everyone else it was ridiculous. It got to the point when a unit I served aboard was asked to sit out of NATO exercises as we were ruining it for all of the other navies constantly killing or intercepting the target.
20 José Malvinero (#) Dec 05th, 2012 - 02:34 am Report abuse
“This year, we have demonstrated our commitment to preserving the astounding natural environment in the territories, by establishing a new Marine Protected Area in South Georgia & the South Sandwich Islands and launching Darwin Plus, the new Overseas Territories Environment and Climate Fund.”

Since when the English are the “owners” of these islands?
PIRATES, THIEVES OF SHIT.

Some arguments Argentines sovereignty of South Georgia (San Pedro) South (among others):
- Law of the discovery by Leon Spanish ship in 1756.
- Recognition by the world's major countries of Spain's membership of the islands adjacent to the mainland (as owner of the continent).
- Recognition of other maritime states (England) by signing the Treaty of San Lorenzo (Nootka Sound) in 1790 (violated by this country in 1765, 1806, 1807, the English are characterized by respect all that sign) that prevented him from taking any island in the Spanish part of South America.
- Succession Rights of Spain, and human first permanent settlement in 1904, by Argentina.
- Doctrine of the Continental Shelf of the United Nations Conference on Law of the Sea, and extension of the continental shelf of coastal states.
- Whenever the Malvinas issue was treated as a unit with the Georgias and sandwiches.
- Unanimous recognition of the countries of the region (OAS)

UK arguments for the sovereignty of South Georgia (San Pedro) South:
- Geographic proximity?
- The Strength?

SOUTH GEORGIA and SANDWICHSISLANDS ARE ARGENTINE
21 Troy Tempest (#) Dec 05th, 2012 - 05:32 am Report abuse
@20 jm

“SOUTH GEORGIA and SANDWICHSISLANDS ARE ARGENTINE”

Nope, sorry. They are definitely British.
22 Lord Ton (#) Dec 05th, 2012 - 05:33 am Report abuse
Jose - your arguments are flawd.

1. Spain did not discover either South Georgia or the South Sandwich islands.
2. These two islands are in what would have been the Portuguese area of influence under the Papal Bull and the Treaty of Tordesillas
3. Nootka Sound did not last past 1795. Wars can do that to Peace Treaties.
4. Uti possidetis juris is not recognised as legally binding, and any succession was limited to the Viceroyalty (not that there was any - in inheritance cases it is usually necessary for the benefactor to actually die). Neither the Falklands, nor South Georgia/South Sandwich islabds were part of the Viceroyalty of the Rio de la Plata which extended only to the 41st degree south parallel.
5. Argentina is indeed on the Falklands continental shelf and you should hand over your country immediately.
6. South Georgia/SSI's were never a part of the Falklands and were only dealt with by that Governor for Administrative purposes. A Dependency does not mean that they a part of!
7. Who gives a rat's arse what the OAS thinks.

They're British lad. Not even listed at the C24. Get used to it :-)
23 KFC de Pollo (#) Dec 05th, 2012 - 06:05 am Report abuse
@20 lord ton has summed it up, argentina has an incredibly flimsy claim over the falklands but the fact there are 8 generations of falklanders living there over rules that. (ignoring the fact that britain has a very strong claim too)

As for the other islands. Argentina has no claim to them at all.
24 Troy Tempest (#) Dec 05th, 2012 - 06:28 am Report abuse
@23 KFC

Puerto Stanley really went off on a bizarrely intense tirade, didn't he?

LOL !!!!!
25 Xect (#) Dec 05th, 2012 - 08:14 am Report abuse
Nice post Lord Ton.

Still we know he won't absorb it as he doesn't work on facts, he works on made up nonsense that has no legal, factual or historic bodies support.

Lies will not get you the Falkland's Island's Jose, the sooner you learn that the easier your life will be.

'Since when the English are the “owners” of these islands?' - Since 1765 dummy and that remains today albeit with a different structure.

Actually there is one true owner of the Falkland Island's and it's not the British, English or Argentinians but the peaceful people of the Falkland Island's!
26 Huntsman Extraordinaire (#) Dec 05th, 2012 - 08:20 am Report abuse
I've got 53 votes :-). Only 99947 to go to getting this properly debated in Parliment and 9947 from getting a comment from the government on the issue.

If you could sign, or if you could share the below link to other people I would really appreciate it.

epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/42558

It's good that this stuff reaches the news. It shows that we work together with out overseas territories and that they are not treated as 'colonies' like a certain someone likes to advertise!
27 Steve-32-uk (#) Dec 05th, 2012 - 09:35 am Report abuse
'Hundreds of tourists stranded by blocking a cruise that would Malvinas - After summoning the ambassador Castro , the ship Seabourn Sojourn, British flag of convenience, is delayed in the port of Buenos Aires. '
www.infobae.com/notas/684905-Cientos-de-turistas-varados-por-el-bloqueo-de-un-crucero-que-iba-a-Malvinas.html

'Argentina and Austria pledged to work to increase bilateral trade - Fischer said the Malvinas issue “is a problem that we are aware of,” and that his government will put “all the impetus to address the issue objectively.”'
www.infonews.com/2012/12/04/politica-50703-argentina-y-austria-se-comprometieron-a-trabajar-para-aumentar-el-comercio-bilateral.php
28 Clyde15 (#) Dec 05th, 2012 - 10:04 am Report abuse
#27
Fischer said the Malvinas issue “is a problem that we are aware of,” and ”all the impetus to address the issue objectively.”'

Diplomatic speak translation -
You bloody well whine incessantly, please go away it's nothing to do with us !
29 lsolde (#) Dec 05th, 2012 - 10:09 am Report abuse
@20 José Maladjusted idiot,
Why would anyone thieve shit?
Maybe you would in Argentina, but then l've heard that malvinistas will thieve anything.
You're constantly trying to thieve(or theft as P-H says)the Falklands.
Fool.
30 Spainexpat (#) Dec 05th, 2012 - 10:20 am Report abuse
@27

Well the Seabourn Sojourn is on it's way in to montevideo, so they released it, but no news on whether the company gave in to the demands of Resistance Malvinas or not. I would assume they just paid them lip service like they did with the Ushuaia press.
31 reality check (#) Dec 05th, 2012 - 10:36 am Report abuse
Meanwhile KFC missed out on yet another chance to get her grubby paws on more US dollars. Nice to know the shops, restuarants and other in BA, do not need the trade, business must be good!
32 agent999 (#) Dec 05th, 2012 - 10:51 am Report abuse
@30
www.seascanner.com/schiffsposition.php?schiff=Seabourn+Sojourn
33 Raven (#) Dec 05th, 2012 - 11:20 am Report abuse
@ 22 Lord Ton

Good post.

Sorry Jose Malvinista, you got carried away there and tried bringing facts into the issue, which we all know does not favour your Malvinista cause as the facts are stacked against your ''claim''.

That's why your lot cry that the ICJ is corrupt. Actually it isn't, it just wont allow itself to be corrupted.

So you are stuck with only one way to get your theiving hands on the Falklands, and that is to invade. I seem to remember it didn't go too well for Argentina last time so good luck with that. ;)
34 reality check (#) Dec 05th, 2012 - 11:24 am Report abuse
BA's loss, Montivedeos gain, idiots cutting off their nose to spiet their face.
35 Brit Bob (#) Dec 05th, 2012 - 12:10 pm Report abuse
@20 Jose

let me offer you my personal congratulations to the Republic of Argentina for their momentus achievements: they have now fallen two places in the 'World's Corruption Perception Index' from 100th place to 102nd place. The country is now sandwiched in between Senegal and Gabon. Yet the country still remains a G20 member?

May I take this opportunity to wish you a merry default day (December 15th)
and a happy IMF 'Red Card' (December 17th).

Question: How on earth do you expect any Argentine politician to speak the truth on the Falklands?
36 Raven (#) Dec 05th, 2012 - 12:29 pm Report abuse
@ 35 Brit Bob

Answer: They can't speak the truth. For starters they cannot even get the name of the islands right. They keep banging on about a mythical place called Las Malvinas. I think they are next to Narnia.
37 Lord Ton (#) Dec 05th, 2012 - 12:33 pm Report abuse
#33 Invading didn't work very well in 1832 either!
38 Simon68 (#) Dec 05th, 2012 - 12:49 pm Report abuse
27 Steve-32-uk (#)
Dec 05th, 2012 - 09:35 am

The M/S Seabourn Sojourn has been in Montevideo harbour since 03/12/12, she has not entered Buenos Aires port, so your infobae article is a piece of malvinista propaganda!!!!!

BOLUDO!!!!!
39 briton (#) Dec 05th, 2012 - 12:55 pm Report abuse
20=jose
you sound just like pirate hunter,
both are twits indocrinated brain washed, and as think would say,
[turnips] argie turnips.
40 Conqueror (#) Dec 05th, 2012 - 01:02 pm Report abuse
@4 Completely agreed. In recent news, it seems that some Apaches will be considered “obsolete”. Send them to Gibraltar. Let the Spaniards see some muscle.
@5 Also agreed. But the Type 23s are to be replaced by the Type 26. However, instead of scrapping them, send them to the Falklands and Gibraltar.
@7 Sorry? It isn't possible to “colonise” territories for which we are already responsible. And where there is NO valid alternative “claim”.
@17 Nope. Our enemies won't wait for economic recovery. we need to be able to CRUSH our enemies EVERY DAY.
@20 1775. Love the rest of your comment. All bullshit of course. If you want a legal basis, try uti possidetis. When was the last conflict? 1982? Who was left in possession? The UK. Argieland is FINISHED. Possibly the most corrupt, cowardly, corrupt, criminal, depraved, dishonest, genocidal, mendacious, pernicious, racist, thieving, xenophobic “countries” in the world. And, strangely, the OAS, for what it's worth, is not “unanimous”. But you're welcome to have another go, THIEF. We now have the plans and capabilities to DESTROY around 60,000 invading troops AND their home location. Then we can reload. But let's be sensible. We really appreciate your wish to provide our forces with targets, military and civilian, and to reduce your population by 75%. It saves us the cost of all that “practice” ammunition. Are you in argieland? Would you like to say “Goodbye” now? In case you don't exist before too long. You will NOT be getting the FI, SG, SSI or BAT or any part thereof. We WILL ensure that YOU cease to exist first. (Argentines, i.e. those with brains, are urged to leave as soon as possible. argies can remain. Only right that argies go the way of their predecessors, the indigenous amerindians.)
41 Steve-32-uk (#) Dec 05th, 2012 - 03:39 pm Report abuse
@22 Lord Ton - excellent as always ;)

I've spotted a nice comment from an RG poster called 'Geze' on another forum, regarding the cruise ship Seabourn Sojourn ...

“As usual making decisions and wielding the law ”gaucho levee“ at the wrong moment. In Ushuaia, last season and at the height of cruise tourism, a group of veterans think of anything unless Ribero Gaucho apply to a British flag cruise but with over 2,000 tourists on board of which 700 were Chinese, 300 were Japanese and the rest divided between families and retirees French, German, Italian, Swiss, and a couple of British marriages ... Conclusion: We lost many tourist activities to the point that it had to close in advance because the tourist season and not tied to any flag vessels with tourists and went to the Chilean port of Punta Arenas ... O is for assholes to apply the law to cruise ships G.Ribero ruin tourism in the province”
www.minutouno.com/notas/270437-impiden-la-partida-un-crucero-britanico-malvinas
42 reality check (#) Dec 05th, 2012 - 04:12 pm Report abuse
@41
It just shows you, 30 years on and these veterans are still suffering for their Governments stupidity. They at least seem to have a modicum of common sense, national pride does not put food on the table.
43 Anbar (#) Dec 05th, 2012 - 04:12 pm Report abuse
“”“Overseast Territories?
XXIst Century´s Colonialism”“””

So, what you are saying is that Argentina does NOT wan overseas territories such as the Falklands Islands?

excellent...we wouldnt want Argentina to be accused of colonialism .

:-)

- - -

FTI: Steve-32 is the latest “new” sock-puppet from our friends in Argentina.... using the “find a link on the Internet, regardless of authenticity or gravitas, and think that constitutes proof of something” mode of puppetry.

This is as opposed to the “String lots of random words from a thesaurus and claim intelligence superiority” mode or “Pretend to be British and support CFK even with a fake life-story” or the “?random platitude {British Kirchnerist” aka “Panda-poster” mode (East, shoots and leaves).

I think these sock-puppetry modes should be shortened to:
1) Internet-Proof! (It must be true!) -mode
2) Baffle with Bullshit!-mode
3) Honest I'm British Guv!”-mode
4) Panda-mode.

It should be pretty easy to assign almost all of the sock-puppets into those 4 modes. :-)
44 Shed-time (#) Dec 05th, 2012 - 05:47 pm Report abuse
'Argentina Watching' as a hobby, is like watching someone fall into a hole, crippling themselves in the process. Then they get out of the hole, and immediately trip up and fall into the hole again.

They are very strange people indeed.
45 Steve-32-uk (#) Dec 05th, 2012 - 05:53 pm Report abuse
'Militant Argentine dockers stop British-flagged cruise liner from leaving port because its next stop was the Falklands'

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2243504/Militant-Argentine-dockers-stop-British-flagged-cruise-liner-leaving-port-stop-Falklands.html
46 Joe Bloggs (#) Dec 05th, 2012 - 06:45 pm Report abuse
45 Steve

She's not getting away with this but that realisation doesn't seem to have penetrated her skull yet. Tick, tick, tick.
47 Steve-32-uk (#) Dec 05th, 2012 - 07:03 pm Report abuse
@43 Anabar

You’re starting to annoy me now. I have been posting on here on for well over a year, if you had done your homework you would know this.
I have found an old Mercopress link with some of my posts to prove this to you. I can’t believe I am having to waste my time doing this…

en.mercopress.com/2012/05/31/self-determination-only-way-that-leads-to-a-peaceful-permanent-solution-of-falklands-dispute#comment129908
See my posts - 1,12,15,40,104,109,123,126…

The articles are on the web whether I link them or not, you don’t have to read them, but many of the smaller stories do not appear in Mercopress, they give us an impression of what the RG public are thinking. First rule of war ‘Know your enemy’ ;)

Thanks for your apology in advance.

Steve
now 33
Sheffield
England
48 briton (#) Dec 05th, 2012 - 07:04 pm Report abuse
we seem to have shood of the argie bloggers on here.

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