Wednesday, December 5th 2012 - 23:53 UTC

Argentina files complaints at WTO against US and EU for bans on beef and bio-diesel

Argentina has filed complaints with the World Trade Organization against the United States over limits on beef and lemon shipments, and against the European Union and Spain for curbs on bio-diesel, Foreign Minister Hector Timerman announced.

Timerman argues Argentina exports beef to all the world

“We're open to keep talking while this complaint is handled by the World Trade Organization,” Timerman told a news conference, adding that the complaints were filed on Wednesday.

In an official release Argentina argues that the complaints were filed after trying unsuccessfully to bilaterally solve the protectionist measures imposed by the US and the EU and with over a decade of implementation.

In the case of the US which has banned Argentine fresh, frozen and chilled beef, these products are currently exported to countries with very high sanitary standards argued Timerman. Furthermore the US does not recognize Patagonia as a zone free of foot and mouth disease without vaccination despite the fact the status dates back to 2003 and was extended by the Animal Health Organization, OIE, whose regulations have global acknowledgement and are recognized by the World Trade Organization.

Argentina last year exported 731 million dollars of boneless beef, fresh and chilled and so far this year the volume is equivalent to almost 500 million dollars, points out the release.

Likewise with fresh lemons from the northeast of Argentina the ban has been in place for eleven years despite the fact that Argentina exported 172 million dollars last year and so far this year 190 million dollars to 61 different countries.

Regarding the EU, Argentina has questioned a specific Spanish government order which bans the use of Argentine bio-diesel as bio-fuel for transport. Last year Argentine bio-diesel exports to the EU totalled 1.9 billion dollars and 1.2bn until last August. Of total sales to the EU, 1.1bn were to Spain or 53% of the country’s total exports of this product.

It is more than evident that the Spanish government order seriously affects Argentina’s production of renewable fuel, of which the country has become one of the world’s leaders, underlines the foreign ministry release.

Finally these complaints are in addition to other claims lodged by Argentina before the WTO against several developed countries because of “the proliferation of sanitary, phytosanitary and technical instructions with no scientific support which restrict arbitrarily and unfairly the exports from developing and less developed countries perpetuating a system of misbalanced multilateral trade which is again evidence of the double standards existent for developed and developing countries in international trade”.

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1 Britworker (#) Dec 06th, 2012 - 12:09 am Report abuse
Hah, I think after their recent antics with the cruise companies and their expropriations, the answer is going to be a resounding GET STUFFED!
2 yankeeboy (#) Dec 06th, 2012 - 12:17 am Report abuse
Argentina barely has enough beef for their internal markets and it is falling every year!
What a bunch of buffoons.
3 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 06th, 2012 - 12:17 am Report abuse

Wait, aren't these organizations supposed to be impartial?

Argentina standing up to the northern cheaters, because no one else has the balls to do it.
4 Pirate Love (#) Dec 06th, 2012 - 12:34 am Report abuse
I wonder.....if argentina was a person drowning, would you help?

cant say i would, not that i cant swim, but if you help out they would try drag you down too, leave it to mercosur to help out.
5 ptolemy (#) Dec 06th, 2012 - 12:38 am Report abuse
Don't trade with “the northern cheaters” and you won't have to worry about your balls.
6 redpoll (#) Dec 06th, 2012 - 01:19 am Report abuse
Argentina Min of Ag figures are not to be trusted. No FMD? Well we heard those denials before.
While thier outbreak of the disease was going on their Ministry vets were trying to contain an outbreak of FMD which of course didnt exist from a govt point of view, by ring vaccination. They were not successful and so the plague bacillus which of course they said they didnt have was exported to Uruguay with the result that all our hard won markets were lost, ships of meat being turned round in mid voyage and the meat thrown overboard as a feast for the sharks. That damn nearly sent our country broke.I dont think it was a malicious act against Uruguay but the doubt lingers. So nobody trusts the figures or sanitary status that Argentina puts out. Uruguayan statistics ARE trusted and thats why we get a better price for our beef on international markets than our “cousins” on the other side of the Rio de la Plata
7 Captain Poppy (#) Dec 06th, 2012 - 02:17 am Report abuse
#3 I thought you needed nothing from the USA? Now you want to sell to us, yet we can't sell to you? Explain how that works?
8 KFC de Pollo (#) Dec 06th, 2012 - 05:15 am Report abuse
@7 it doesn't work. Argentine beef was once the envy of the world. Its not now.

Why should Spain buy bio diesel from Argentina when Argentina robs Spains pensioners?

What goes around comes around mr timmerman!
9 Troy Tempest (#) Dec 06th, 2012 - 05:46 am Report abuse
Argentina has a long history of exporting meat infected with Hoof and Mouth disease, throughout the 20th century. We don't need your diseased lemons either - North Americans need to protect their own livestock and agriculture industries.
The Argentinians have proven less than trustworthy - best to err on the side of caution! Not fair?
Since when did Argentina care???
Uruguay is battling Dengue Fever along their border with Argentina, but CFK's government will not even acknowledge there is an outbreak, let alone, try to contain it!
10 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 06th, 2012 - 05:55 am Report abuse
You are quite honestly mentally insane, as in loco where a padded room with rubber floors and a lock are involved.

Dengue fever along the border with Uruguay... you are quite frankly delirious, or an opium smoker, or both. In an era of internet and in a country where whether you accept it or not 78% of people have internet (highest in Latin America), and 98% have cable or satelite (2nd highest in the Americas), and where there is still an opposition... how do you explain not a word about this “dengue” endemic in Entre Rios leaking to the outside world?

I mean, do you think, or have a brain? We have terrible pictures leaking out of Syria on a DAILY basis, where they have no internet, no media but state controlled channel, the people are being massacred, and a completely tolalitarian regime...

...yet not one report of this dengue crisis makes it out of that totalitarian hermit state called Entre Rios?

Like I said, you must have lose units within your helmet.
11 reality check (#) Dec 06th, 2012 - 06:30 am Report abuse
Thought you did not need those damn Europeans or North Americanos, thought you wanted to go your own way, so what's the problem!
12 LEPRecon (#) Dec 06th, 2012 - 06:57 am Report abuse
But the WTO is an international body? Surely in CFKs tiny mind that makes them a 'predetor'?

@3 Tobias

I though you wanted complete isolation for Argentina? Crying to international bodies is interacting with the world and not isolationist at all.

As for the WTO being impartial, they are. But Argentina has more trade disputes outstanding against you than any other outcry in history. This one should be added to the queue, and when all those other disputes are settled, the WTO may eventually get around to looking at it.
13 Troy Tempest (#) Dec 06th, 2012 - 07:06 am Report abuse
@10 Nozzy

Government denial again??
14 Joe Bloggs (#) Dec 06th, 2012 - 07:07 am Report abuse
15 toooldtodieyoung (#) Dec 06th, 2012 - 07:20 am Report abuse
Is there any one that Argentina hasn't complained too???

You couldn't make this up.......... KFC / The Harpy mouthing off about how Argentina shouldn't be a member of these organisations but then who do they go running too????

You can make this up....... Here is a government that doesn't listen to itself let alone its people....LOL!!!
16 reality check (#) Dec 06th, 2012 - 07:24 am Report abuse
I can only think of one, the MCC.
17 War Monkey (#) Dec 06th, 2012 - 08:12 am Report abuse
Argentine arguments shift and change with the sand. They could be arguing for and against something simultaneously, in the same breath and without a hint of irony. If you let it, it will turn your brain inside out. It is paradoxical, like time travel, it fecks with your head.

For instance. Argentina trusts that the UN will give fair hearing to various Argentine claims but they don't trust the UN one iota. All at the same time.

If this was general public opinion you could understand it but it is in fact government policy and they think they are being clever.
18 toxictaxitrader2 (#) Dec 06th, 2012 - 09:21 am Report abuse
If Argentina gets a ruling in its favour,will any country implement it,till Argentina implements rulings against them?
19 reality check (#) Dec 06th, 2012 - 09:28 am Report abuse
Yes, unfortunately, unlike Argentina!
20 toxictaxitrader2 (#) Dec 06th, 2012 - 10:04 am Report abuse
You are properly right,but for how long ?we do Argentina no favours allowing them to flout international norms,they are trashing their reputation for generations to come .
21 reality check (#) Dec 06th, 2012 - 10:23 am Report abuse
How longs a piece of string? Just shows you though what you can get away with, when you have no respect for yourself or others, or care little for about how little esteem others afford you.
22 LEPRecon (#) Dec 06th, 2012 - 10:36 am Report abuse
@17 - War Monkey

Good points. They're a bit like the regime in the book '1984', where black is white, 2+2=5, wrong is right, war is peace etc...

They are trying to brainwash the people of Argentina into not thinking for themselves.

Already they are trying to stifle the freedom of the press. It won't be long before speaking out against the regime is illegal, and a short journey from there to accusing people of 'thought' crimes, and disappearing them off the streets, just like the bad old days of the Junta.
23 Welsh Wizard (#) Dec 06th, 2012 - 10:49 am Report abuse
It was only yesterday that she was saying that she didn't want to be judged by these kinds of organisations and yet now she wishes to rely on them. Either do one thing or the other, this is possibly the most capricious government I have come across. Just do what you say you are going to do. Resign from the G20, leave the IMF, leave the WTO and rely on your strong ties in Mercosur to give you all the investment you need. Default on all bonds governed by a jurisdiction that is not your own and re-issue them in pesos. I'm actually with CFK on this one, Argentina doesn't want to trade with the rest of the world except on their own terms so why don't they just try it. Also, while you're there, collect all the peso notes in the monetary system, burn them and replace them with gold coins. If you don't have enough of these them you could suggest that the people just barter instead.
24 reality check (#) Dec 06th, 2012 - 11:00 am Report abuse
Crazy innit

Wonder if the left hand knows what the right hand is doing, or alternately, who has whose head shoved up whose ass!

Could not make this up!
25 Captain Poppy (#) Dec 06th, 2012 - 11:07 am
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26 DanyBerger (#) Dec 06th, 2012 - 11:10 am Report abuse
As European and not like some ones wannabe (no name here) I think Argentina is doing a good job.

It is time to stop this silly game to ask high standards to developing countries when at home most of measures in some countries are not met.

US, UK Canada, etc. are the champion of the hypocrisy. Inspection in Argentina on meat processor plants companies coming from US, EU, etc. require that plants have to have more sanitary measures than a hospital. Clothing has to be white, without pockets, and all sort of accessories, etc. tables and instruments used in contact with the meat or animals has to be of inox 304 and not coloured dark instruments are allowed.
Processing meat places has to be all white tailed, corners of walls rounded in inox 304, etc, etc, etc.

But they allow the use of the US made Jarvis and other manufactures Cash Knocker in Argentina and in US I saw pictures or workers in US meat factories using jeans, blue clothing, boots blacks and other stuff that will turn down any license of any meat exporter even in Africa.

Now see the colour of a cash knocker used in Canada, US and UK

Are black, red and green...

Is not amazing?

Fair trade where?
27 ChrisR (#) Dec 06th, 2012 - 11:23 am Report abuse
10 Nostrolldamus The 2nd

If you are as clever as you claim why do you persist with this nonsense about dengue fever?

I have already explained the real problem: your ‘government’ doesn’t give a crap about their people in the north and have not sprayed the danger areas in time to prevent the clouding by the mosquitoes that carry the parasites having acquired it by bitting the dogs that also carry it.

Given the diatribe here you have convinced me that you really have lost what little intellect you displayed on here 12 – 18 months ago.
28 surfer (#) Dec 06th, 2012 - 11:46 am Report abuse
Argentina Govt. strategic planning for 2013.......
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(and default, again)
29 DanyBerger (#) Dec 06th, 2012 - 11:51 am Report abuse
@ChrisRambo the Hypocrite strike again

In UK since 2008 there are some bacteria(s) that eat human flesh and what UK got have done? Nothing since then.

But UK politicians spend billions of dollars in Carriers that don’t have and planes that don’t fly.
Any corruption in the MoD perhaps?

“Flesh-eating superbug killed father in just four hours as coroner warns of 'new horror'”

“The disease, which is becoming more common, is an infection which sweeps through the body, internally and externally, so quickly that it can actually be seen spreading.”

30 reality check (#) Dec 06th, 2012 - 12:04 pm Report abuse
You really are a dick head. What? you expect us to believe you do not have bacterium in your hospitals? Whereas the rest of the world are developing resistance to Antibiotics (Pioneered by UK scienists by the way), you lot alone, of the entire worlds population, are the lucky bastards who develop immunity to bacteria.

Go on try and persuade us that not one person in an Argentinian hospital ever contracted NECROTIZING FASCIITIS. I'm sure we will believe you.
31 Welsh Wizard (#) Dec 06th, 2012 - 12:09 pm Report abuse
Danny, Danny, Danny...Keep up chap, commenting on news which is over 3 years old is pretty dim of you. Obviusly the superbug has been deal with or it wasn't that super in the first place as we're all still here and it hasn't killed us all. We are commenting on news which is current, would you care to join us?
32 JuanGabriel (#) Dec 06th, 2012 - 12:22 pm Report abuse
How can there be a ban on Lemons? Tinman has been to USA numerous times - or does he have diplomatic immunity from the ban?
33 Welsh Wizard (#) Dec 06th, 2012 - 12:28 pm Report abuse
More news, Danny style:

“This morning the British Ambassador in Berlin handed the German Government a final Note stating that, unless we heard from them by 11 o'clock that they were prepared at once to withdraw their troops from Poland, a state of war would exist between us.

I have to tell you now that no such undertaking has been received, and that consequently this country is at war with Germany.”

Just thought you should all know.....

Anyway Danny, care to comment on the story (this one, not one from a coupe of years ago that is totally unrelated)?
34 Orbit (#) Dec 06th, 2012 - 12:44 pm Report abuse
@29 ... And just for completeness...
35 DanyBerger (#) Dec 06th, 2012 - 12:49 pm Report abuse
Hello Idiots

FIFTH victim has emergency surgery as flesh-eating bacteria strikes again

PUBLISHED: 16:21 GMT, 2 June 2012 | UPDATED: 19:09 GMT, 2 June 2012

Now what are you gonna say? that is from june?

UK a falling country and the morons don't wanna get it
36 yankeeboy (#) Dec 06th, 2012 - 12:52 pm Report abuse
You know the “Argentinian” restaurants in the USA use beef from Uruguay.

Nobody wants the diseased meat, fruit or vegetables here in the USA.

Complain all you want you'll lose again and spectacularly

Lights out in BA, again

It's hot and rainy no planting today means no SOY tomorrow

I will laugh and laugh if you have to buy USA wheat next year

laugh and laugh

btw we don't take pesos
37 Captain Poppy (#) Dec 06th, 2012 - 01:07 pm Report abuse
#9 Troy Paraguay has 30,000 confirmed cases of Dengue Fever reported along the Argentine border
38 agent999 (#) Dec 06th, 2012 - 01:10 pm Report abuse
@35 Dummyberger
Maybe you should read the article and then try to find out from a map where South Carolina actually is.
39 yankeeboy (#) Dec 06th, 2012 - 01:14 pm Report abuse
37. When I lived there we were warned every summer about dengue and what kind of mosquitoes were carriers. That was in BA province.

Arg gov't has absolutely no idea what happens in the outer Provinces, the medical services are basically non-existent and there is no reporting. You would be one unlucky person to come down with something while traveling in Misiones or Corrientes, very unlucky and probably dead.
40 Shed-time (#) Dec 06th, 2012 - 01:22 pm Report abuse
So the WTO agreement on investment was to provide effective protection for investors against nationalisation, expropriation, and measures tantamount to expropriation [1]. Spain was acting to protect their own interests by refusing to buy merchandise from a pariah state as a direct result of their 'theft through expropriation' of the assets of spanish shareholders. This showed the Argentines moving away from 'the path of dialogue and negotiation' [2].

I'm really not clear what the Argentinians are expecting to get told by the WTO with regards to their own actions which, yet again, go against the WTO agreements that they signed up to. They simply refuse to accept core facets of the UN charter and major investment agreements in the framework of the WTO.

Seriously, are they pathologically incapable of sticking to any kind of agreement? Does anyone have any research showing a genetic need for argentinians to renege on agreements of all kinds?

41 Raven (#) Dec 06th, 2012 - 01:25 pm Report abuse
@ 28 surfer

You missed a bit

Argentina Govt. strategic planning for 2013.......
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(and default, again. Not that it will be called as such. Probably called ''a stand against vultures'' or some such rubbish).

I've probably missed quite a bit out to that edit, TMBOA and her cronies have the ability to take the piss in completely new directions.
42 agent999 (#) Dec 06th, 2012 - 01:33 pm Report abuse
@10 Nostrolldamus The 2nd

”In an era of internet and in a country where whether you accept it or not 78% of people have internet (highest in Latin America), and 98% have cable or satelite”
Not bad for a country where:-
Argentina has a high percentage of electrification (95%), but a significant proportion of the rural population (30%) no electricity.
43 Captain Poppy (#) Dec 06th, 2012 - 01:35 pm Report abuse
#35 dummyberger, I thought these are all colonial capitalist and evil organizations, why are they bothering and you said the USA and EU are not needed by Argentina.....what gives here?
44 Shed-time (#) Dec 06th, 2012 - 01:42 pm Report abuse
I guess the Argentinians use all those lemons to condense and then distil pure sourness. Which they all then drink at dinner (with diseased beef).
45 ChrisR (#) Dec 06th, 2012 - 02:11 pm Report abuse
29 Dunni-Burger

I think you are the original troll who had this tag. I prefer the troll that was using this tag up to 3 months or so ago, he did at least post sensible things, even for an argie.

Now, let's get something straight in simple words that simple trolls can understand

1) Dengue is spread by mosquitoes that have been infected by feeding on dogs that carry the parasite. There are two main types. The first one gives the patient severe headaches and fever. First time most people survive, second time 10% die, third time 50% die. No cure, like malaria. Only way of ensuring you don’t die is to move to somewhere that is free of it and never return.

The second type is more like a haemorrhagic fever and many people die even with the first time of infection. Still no cure.

BTW, birds have been found with the antibodies to Dengue (meaning they have survived the disease) along the south coast of the UK in the last four years.

2) Necrotizing fasciitis does NOT eat human flesh, the bacterium which causes the disease produces toxins in the tissue that are so powerful they destroy the deep seated flesh by the toxic shock syndrome mechanism. Mortality can approach 70% if untreated.

This disease CAN be treated however using a cocktail of high powered antibiotics.

Most patients are already ill, suffering from trauma surgery, cancer or diabetes.

If you claim that AG does not have this disease you are poorly informed or you are lying.
46 Welsh Wizard (#) Dec 06th, 2012 - 02:11 pm Report abuse
@ 35 DanyBerger

“Now what are you gonna say? that is from june? UK a falling country and the morons don't wanna get it”

Danny I'll just quote something at the very beginning of the story for you:

“A South Carolina grandmother has become the fifth victim of the flesh-eating bacteria that has sparked terror across Georgia.”

Danny, South Carolina is not in the UK. How stupid are you? The story even gives you a little map as well. This sort of sums up how stupid you really are. You must be feeling pretty idiotic at the moment, I almost want to report your post for abuse against general sentient humans but I think I’ll leave it there, just so you can go back and look at how thick you really are
47 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 06th, 2012 - 02:24 pm Report abuse

That's because NO ONE lives in a “rural” area. Some little town of 2000 people in the middle of western La Pampa province 50 km away from the next 2000 people town may appear rural, but it is not. Argentina is one of the most urbanized nations on the planet, I think over 9 in 10 live in non-rural areas.

So if your 30% rural non-electrification is true it is a tiny fraction of the country, probably indian reservations in the north (those people don't want to pay for electricity), some German menonnite communities in the western Pampa who by religious edict prohibit electricity, and cabin communities in Patagonia (either of rich people or the hippie, Age of Acquarium culture in the Lakes Region of Rio Negro), whose owners don't want electricity on purpose.
48 Simon68 (#) Dec 06th, 2012 - 02:25 pm Report abuse
35 DanyBerger (#)
Dec 06th, 2012 - 12:49 pm

1) “UK a falling country and the morons don't wanna get it”

2) “A South Carolina grandmother has become the fifth victim of the flesh-eating bacteria that has sparked terror across Georgia.”

WTF has your link to do with UK (your quote 1). Since when is South Carolina or Georgia in the UK!!!!!!!

49 Conqueror (#) Dec 06th, 2012 - 02:27 pm Report abuse
@3 Argieland - involved in 65 WTO disputes. But not as the complainant!
@4 Does “helping” include standing on their shoulders?
@20 What reputation would that be?
@23 Let's expel argieland from the UN and every other international organisation. Why weren't they expelled after blatantly ignoring UNSC 502?
@26 Meat processing plants. You let argies into them, don't you? Contamination! Unsanitary! Source of necrotizing fasciitis!
@29 Research says that necrotizing fasciitis originated in countries using excessive amounts of antibiotics on food animals. South America, anyone? Didn't get to Britain until early 2012.
50 Xect (#) Dec 06th, 2012 - 02:28 pm Report abuse
Nice post dany, it made no sense and has no facts in it and you finished it by calling someone an idiot.

Nice try, it utterly failed and was made up of nonsensical points but nice try nonetheless.

51 agent999 (#) Dec 06th, 2012 - 02:34 pm Report abuse
my little story

However 5% of the population without electricity is I suppose only about 2 million people.
I was just wondering how you justified your statement “98% have cable or satelite”
52 reality check (#) Dec 06th, 2012 - 02:36 pm Report abuse
Yep, them good old boys (Chaps) down South (Kent) are gonna (Going to) whoop (Beat) your ass (arse) soon as they have eaten their Grits (Porridge.)
Best ya (You) get the hell out of Dodge (Town) ya varmint (You pest) god damn (Blast) you. ya god damn Limey (Brit) hater!
53 yankeeboy (#) Dec 06th, 2012 - 02:37 pm Report abuse
Well Toby may be right, you should see all of the Direct TV dishes on the villas.
No running water, sewage in the streets but they have TV...American TV at that!!
54 GeoffWard2 (#) Dec 06th, 2012 - 02:45 pm Report abuse
I think Danny has reached the pinnacle of Top Troll with this one,
so many followed his divert - and some quite bright ones too!
55 reality check (#) Dec 06th, 2012 - 02:45 pm Report abuse
Probably all supplied by you know who, for you know what, what was the majority? 54% was it.
56 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 06th, 2012 - 02:46 pm Report abuse

Not really, the amount of USA channels has been going down down down, especially since the reality show era when you stopped making proper shows. No one cares about fat ignorant americans couples sprinting in Moscow, reality shows are cheap so rather watch locals do it.


Your numbers are wrong.

This number was 14 years ago, with the internet and with cheaper plans that figure is at last 85% now. 98% I meant either internet or cable/satellite (some have one or the other), but still maybe a small exaggeration.
57 Shed-time (#) Dec 06th, 2012 - 02:47 pm Report abuse
are we still talking about the joke that is Timmerman going to the WTO about his lemons?
58 yankeeboy (#) Dec 06th, 2012 - 02:51 pm Report abuse
56. Sure, Whats the RG version of HBO?

BTW is that horrible smell in BA the rotting corpse of your country?
59 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 06th, 2012 - 02:59 pm Report abuse

It's the smell of New Yorker ex-pats bringing a little bit of home with them.
60 LightThink (#) Dec 06th, 2012 - 03:04 pm Report abuse
Worthless complaints.......worthless,loudmouthed all comments....

Firstly Argentina should organize itself & own beef industry instead of trade complaints....

in the past,Argentina has never been NO:1 in beef exporting behind Brazil and Australia..and now behind of par Uruguay ,India..
Also has decreasing of beef ...000 tonnes exporting since year 2005.....
61 surfer (#) Dec 06th, 2012 - 03:11 pm Report abuse
These ultra-kirchnerista regime supporters, now fewer in number, got their backs against the wall, the 'new economic model' is certainly looking like an abject failure.

The more they avoid the real issue in the headline and try to attack the US/UK/Australia/Ghana/Spain etc... the more they admit defeat, I'm seeing a helluva lot of white flags...
62 reality check (#) Dec 06th, 2012 - 03:12 pm Report abuse
Keep up the pretence, you are not an Argentine. I've read posts where you have refered to them as, “You” and “Your.”

You've been caught out again Guzz.
63 Captain Poppy (#) Dec 06th, 2012 - 03:13 pm Report abuse
#56 titti boi toby.......reality show are on broadcast public channels.......checkout the line up and for how much.
64 yankeeboy (#) Dec 06th, 2012 - 03:15 pm Report abuse
A tanker of pesticides burning is not considered a health issue in BA.

Anyone in a civilized country believe that?

Gotta love Goebbels.
65 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 06th, 2012 - 03:18 pm Report abuse
American beef... yummm!
66 yankeeboy (#) Dec 06th, 2012 - 03:26 pm Report abuse
Oh now the burning pesticides in BA are a “low health hazard”...hmm that was quickly moved up.
I wonder when they'll say it is actually good for you?

Probably killing a few brain cells that are left in that city.
67 Shed-time (#) Dec 06th, 2012 - 03:42 pm Report abuse
Given that Argentines are genetically a mix of rodent, psychopath and SS commander, what effect is a pesticide going to do? It's designed to kill pests, no?
68 yankeeboy (#) Dec 06th, 2012 - 03:48 pm Report abuse
They're lucky it was raining today to take out some of the toxins.

I originally thought Chrissy had her huge melt down and all the plastic was burning.
69 Shed-time (#) Dec 06th, 2012 - 04:09 pm Report abuse
Think of all those toxins that have leeched out of the rainwater and into their lemons.

Is this Karma in action?
70 agent999 (#) Dec 06th, 2012 - 04:18 pm Report abuse
what numbers of mine are wrong ?
71 War Monkey (#) Dec 06th, 2012 - 04:36 pm Report abuse
@54 GeoffWard2 (#)
Dec 06th, 2012 - 02:45 pm

The best of it is that, being on MP, he can't delete it himself. Can you imagine his reaction when he realised?
72 toooldtodieyoung (#) Dec 06th, 2012 - 05:06 pm Report abuse
“Timerman argues Argentina exports beef to all the world”

......Not any more, LOL
73 DanyBerger (#) Dec 06th, 2012 - 05:31 pm Report abuse
Schadenfreude time isn't it idiots?

UK is not a province of US anymore like Puerto Rico?

Bloody since when you have become a separated state?

I’m missing something here?

Don’t worry here from Britain 2012-12-06

Should we really fear 'new flesh-eating bacteria'?

“Britain is in the grip of a new “flesh-eating bug spread by sneezes and coughs”, Thursday February 2 2012

But don’t worry the bacteria seems only to eat flesh from honest people and heterosexuals.

You bloody bastards are quite safe.

But don’t worry Argies scientists are working hard to develop a variant of this bacteria to eat kebabs and Curry. And are planing to put some kilos on missile to shoot over Mount Pleasent to starve your Army.

Sounds good and clean
74 Captain Poppy (#) Dec 06th, 2012 - 06:11 pm Report abuse
daniella.....rather than deflect and divert storyline attention, tell my why they want to sell to the brownsuit trolls ranted until your testicles shriveled up that argentina does not need these organization or the capital countries.....what is this contradiction?
75 yankeeboy (#) Dec 06th, 2012 - 06:26 pm Report abuse
USA and EU are asking WTO to rule immediately on the Argentinian trade import restrictions.

I guess this stunt backfired like all the rest.

What a bunch of boobs running this country.
76 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 06th, 2012 - 06:47 pm Report abuse
“to rule immediately”

Sounds like you are confident that these organizations are in the pocket of the US and EU.

And I thought they were impartial and free of corruption.

These northern foreign-fiends delate themselves.
77 Brit Bob (#) Dec 06th, 2012 - 07:03 pm Report abuse
Argentina has more international trade disputes than any other country and is the World's top protectionist country with nearly all imports having to be approved by the government. More from the comedy club that is governing present day Argentina...
78 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 06th, 2012 - 07:09 pm Report abuse

It means your products are not very good if the government has to inspect them all. Maybe you should improve your production standards.
79 Raven (#) Dec 06th, 2012 - 07:35 pm Report abuse
Au contraire Guzz.

QA is high on the most refined of products.

It's the crap products that get shoved through by the bucket load that never get checked.

After all, if it's all shit, why bother checking it? ;)
80 ProRG_American (#) Dec 06th, 2012 - 07:35 pm Report abuse
Argentina is fed up with being the giver and not receiving anything in return. The dispute continues.
81 Raven (#) Dec 06th, 2012 - 07:39 pm Report abuse
@ 80

You recieved a load of loans, then forced the people who gave you the money to accept less than they gave you.

82 yankeeboy (#) Dec 06th, 2012 - 07:48 pm Report abuse
In teh pocket, no but we are the largest richest most powerful trading nations in the world.

I'm sure we have a little more pull than a corrupt dictatorship.

Now where to go for Christmas...I'm thinking London it is so pretty this time of year.
83 GeoffWard2 (#) Dec 06th, 2012 - 07:48 pm Report abuse
Well, ourTrollady #76, speaking as an erstwhile 'northern foreign-fiend' from some northern foreign field, if there's any delating to be done I prefer to delate myself rather than have it done to me ... though I'm open to offers ;-)
84 yankeeboy (#) Dec 06th, 2012 - 07:55 pm Report abuse
Looks like ANOTHER very heavy rain storm in BA Province, when oh when will they be able to plant the SOY.
maybe next year
can CFK restrict even more imports
I don't think so
I think BCRA is dry
too bad the field arn't
85 LightThink (#) Dec 06th, 2012 - 08:20 pm Report abuse
[ 84

But your comment writing times (2...84)which are GMT do tell us you are not from USA.
86 slattzzz (#) Dec 06th, 2012 - 08:24 pm Report abuse
Yankeeboy and Capt poppy, Pro arg has just claimed on another thread to be born and bred American who served in the US Navy, what do you think? Also says the majority of Americans he/she knows side with rgenweener over the Falklands
87 LightThink (#) Dec 06th, 2012 - 08:26 pm Report abuse
Captain ConquerorYankeePoppyboy.
88 slattzzz (#) Dec 06th, 2012 - 08:32 pm Report abuse
@84 whats your point doesn't Mummy allow you to stay up out of bedtime hours you poor dear
89 Captain Poppy (#) Dec 06th, 2012 - 08:57 pm Report abuse
#80 spoken like a true argentine

#86 bullshit.....ask what their rating was and did pro arg school grade did pro arg make it to...and what ship and unit? Where was their BNT and what did they call them in BNT?
90 neutral_observer (#) Dec 06th, 2012 - 09:07 pm Report abuse
Héctor, quick, call the Waaaaaaaaaaaambulance!
91 Shed-time (#) Dec 06th, 2012 - 09:10 pm Report abuse
@90 don't be nasty to Argentina's favourite jewish nazi.
92 Xect (#) Dec 06th, 2012 - 09:22 pm Report abuse
Slattzzz, we can challenge that. I'm ex Royal Navy and did a lot of work with the US Navy and know a thing or two about it. This could be fun.

I'd hazard most American's know nothing of the conflict other than Argentina stole a lot of money from American's. Argentina isn't important enough to make it too mainstream American news.
93 Captain Poppy (#) Dec 06th, 2012 - 09:58 pm Report abuse
I hate to break it to you Xect....that conflict was in our TV rooms for the entire 73 days.
I would just ask Pro RG American what they call basic recruits. In the Army we were a cross between swinging dicks and maggots........US Navy as there term of endearment.
94 Shed-time (#) Dec 06th, 2012 - 10:43 pm Report abuse
@92 in your singular subjective perspective, yes, you probably consider it to be the best.
95 Falkland Islands (#) Dec 07th, 2012 - 12:46 am Report abuse
@92 rr The argentine beef still is the best. “kept in Argie land”
96 andy65 (#) Dec 07th, 2012 - 12:52 am Report abuse
97 Captain Poppy (#) Dec 07th, 2012 - 01:04 am Report abuse
If it's the best, it's certainly getting scarce in restaurants in BsAs, good bife anyway
98 DanyBerger (#) Dec 07th, 2012 - 01:32 am Report abuse
Funny to see Angola-Saxons arguing between them about who got more tattoos when serving on their respective armies.

I just wonder when they serve together in military operations what they eat?

Kebabs and curry stuff or Burritos and tacos?
99 yankeeboy (#) Dec 07th, 2012 - 01:46 am Report abuse
96. Last time I was in BA I had the worst beef I have ever been served! Plus is was $110 PESOS!! Go look at every RG travel board and you can see that the myth of RG beef is long past its prime and probably will never come again.
Maybe you can import some good ol USA beef...right along with our wheat.
100 DanyBerger (#) Dec 07th, 2012 - 11:02 am Report abuse

“Maybe you can import some good ol USA beef”

Yes sure if you want to die of cancer of liver plus to get a good gynecomastia (Big boobs) due to the tons of hormones used to rise your cattle.
101 Raven (#) Dec 07th, 2012 - 11:04 am Report abuse

It's no wonder it tasted like shit. if the old cow they have as president is anything to go by.
102 Shed-time (#) Dec 07th, 2012 - 01:01 pm Report abuse
I don't buy Argentinian products simply, because not only do they taste suspect, but any profit accrued ends up being spent on bullets and guns that will be aimed at the falkland islanders, during some sadistic game of russian roulette that their 'honorable servicemen' seem to like playing with innocent civilians.

It's that simple.
103 yankeeboy (#) Dec 07th, 2012 - 01:22 pm Report abuse
Dany, Since you apparently know nothing of your own country, for about 10 years Argentina uses the same hormones and feed lot system as the USA.
The days of grass fed beef are long gone in your country.
Not only are they gone there is no grading or marking for beef in Argentina you have no idea what you are buying or eating.

It is too bad, I used to love eating beef there but alas it is yet one of the many industries destroyed by the Ks never to return.
104 Rufus (#) Dec 07th, 2012 - 01:35 pm Report abuse
@103 yankeeboy “you have no idea what you are buying or eating”

Although, to be fair, some of the best meals that I've eaten have been curries and gyros that are decidedly MQO (Meat of Questionable Origin) based.
Remember, a dog isn't just for Christmas, if you carve it properly it'll last Boxing Day as well.
105 Captain Poppy (#) Dec 07th, 2012 - 01:38 pm Report abuse
ANd for the record, the best beef comes from Japan.......Kobe Beef if anyone has ever had it, they know what I am saying then. Not inexpensive by any means either.
106 andy65 (#) Dec 07th, 2012 - 04:39 pm Report abuse
@Dannybuggerer Do you have any thoughts on the sexual abuse the young Argentine conscripts suffered at the hands of Argentine officers back in 82 and why so many young Argentines were so happy once The British had won and helped these young guys???? This stuff is widely available to view on youtube
107 DanyBerger (#) Dec 08th, 2012 - 09:43 am Report abuse

“Dany, Since you apparently know nothing of your own country, for about 10 years Argentina uses the same hormones and feed lot system as the USA.”

That certain cannot be true because you have said several times that Argentina is a Poor country, Technologically Backwards, Cannot Afford to buy Medicines (especially from US), has a dollar clamp and has not money to invest.

So the poor cows count only on sun, water and grass.


Nope I never heard of that but I heard that you are pretty good on that especially if you work for BBC

And the Americans has also a good record in the army
108 toxictaxitrader2 (#) Dec 08th, 2012 - 11:22 am Report abuse
I read over on B.A.Herald,that Christina would like to join the E.U. Jesus Mary & Joseph!you could not make it up.
Might just be a few difficulty's a like a free media, a corruption audit, an unpolitical civil service and statistical service a judiciary you cannot insult with impunity ,uncompensated confiscation(YPF water works et al) and a proper tax base .
109 GeoffWard2 (#) Dec 08th, 2012 - 01:21 pm Report abuse
a free media,
a corruption audit,
an unpolitical civil service
an uncorrupted statistical service
a judiciary you cannot insult with impunity ,
uncompensated confiscation (YPF, water works, et al) and
a proper tax base .

A bigger problem is that the European Union is, errr ..... European.
110 andy65 (#) Dec 08th, 2012 - 03:26 pm Report abuse
@DanyBerger Yes we have a free press to investigate, unfortunately you Argentines will not have that if Hitler Kirchner gets her way
111 toxictaxitrader2 (#) Dec 09th, 2012 - 01:37 am Report abuse
As an Irish man who has lived in London most of my life,worked in Canada,Australia,Peru.yes and Argentina.I can tell you that if the latter had the rule of law and development assistance that the E.U. could provide,it would become paradise on earth I would have no hesitation in retiring there
112 GeoffWard2 (#) Dec 09th, 2012 - 12:05 pm Report abuse
As an Englishman, I worried about the lawlessness, corruption, etc of Brasil, but I retired there anyway .... and not within a protected, gated 'community', like all the ex-pat USA Americans 'round these parts.

Brasil is still a paradise on earth, as long as you take care around the Curate's Egg bits.
113 DanyBerger (#) Dec 09th, 2012 - 02:31 pm Report abuse

About what free press in the UK are you talking about?

The one that was telling you that in Iraq were WMD...
The one that was telling you that all was so fine until credit crunch F U up?...
The one that bribes police, politicians and public servants to see if Nanny smelly Queen had changed her underwear in the last couple of weeks?

BTW tell me who in the world can be proud to have in 2012 a Queen and a Royal Family eh?

Don’t bother because I can see the flames and smoke coming from your little brain...

114 agent999 (#) Dec 09th, 2012 - 03:01 pm Report abuse
More absolute drivel
115 Captain Poppy (#) Dec 09th, 2012 - 03:57 pm Report abuse

drivel....from the drolls. Try visiting the countries you critique. Rather than asking pointless, not to mention mindless questions, bring up a valid point where the press is NOT free to attack the government as in asslips backward world of argentina?
116 Troy Tempest (#) Dec 09th, 2012 - 06:58 pm Report abuse
@113 Dung burgers

“The one that was telling you that in Iraq were WMD...
The one that was telling you that all was so fine until credit crunch F U up?...
The one that bribes police, politicians and public servants to see if Nanny smelly Queen had changed her underwear in the last couple of weeks?”
The one that was telling you that in Iraq were WMD...
The one that was telling you that all was so fine until credit crunch F U up?...
The one that bribes police, politicians and public servants to see if Nanny smelly Queen had changed her underwear in the last couple of weeks?”


What you are talking about here are the news media.
The difference between the UK papers is that they REPORT the news, in Argentina, CFK would have them report only what she approves or dictates. In other words, INVENT the news or editorialise it, in line with any message the government wants to send to the people.
117 redpoll (#) Dec 09th, 2012 - 07:12 pm Report abuse
Dunkel berger so anti nazi With that name we know what he is for a start
118 Pete Bog (#) Dec 09th, 2012 - 10:54 pm Report abuse
“Regarding the EU, Argentina has questioned a specific Spanish government order which bans the use of Argentine bio-diesel as bio-fuel for transport”

Cause and effect-something Argentina will never understand.

Cause-RGs displace Repsol Effect, simple, Spanish retaliate by banning RG bio diesel.
Is this that hard for Argentina to grasp?

Cause 1832-UPRP send in a militia to Islands UK has claim over since 1690 Effect, simple-after protest ignored by UPRP, UK eject militia in 1833.

Cause: 1982 Argentina invade FIs imposing a government the inhabitants of the Islands do not want. Effect, simple 1982 Argy squatters evicted .

Cause -Argentina imposes protectionist measures limiting imports to Argentina. Effect-other countries impose protectionist measures against RGs limiting imports from Argentina.

What's the Spanish for Doooh?
119 toxictaxitrader2 (#) Dec 10th, 2012 - 01:59 am Report abuse
Good morning ,I,ve been looking at alternatives to Chubut, looked at Uruguay,O.K. safe but rather boring and over reliant on the Argentine economy .
Chile need to find out more,visited twice but working hard on mining emergency ,the people seemed nice,well better than Peruvians(which would not be difficult)
What do you think of southern Brazil? I,m told its the best part
120 GeoffWard2 (#) Dec 10th, 2012 - 12:30 pm Report abuse
119 toxictaxitrader2
Sorry, I'm not knowledgable about the more 'European' south of Brasil, though I have lived a little in the (expensive) higher altitude communities of Sao Paulo State. Santa Caterina would suit me for its fishing, because I love the marine coasts. and the Matto Grosso for its freshwater fishing, but these days, I like hills and coasts better.
I love the 'Angolan-influenced' North East Brasil, with its diversity of cultures, its hot tropical beaches and reefs. and Carnival is pretty universal across this large country. Get used to flying, it is VERY big.
These days I see countries through the eyes of the retired naturalist, and I get more of a buzz from seeing a sloth than I do from seeing an Englishman.
121 British_Kirchnerist (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 09:27 pm Report abuse
Good on Timmerman, always nice to see Argentina turn the tables on the smug hypocrites that run the developed world...

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