Argentine bullying tactics are despicable says Falklands MLA Summers
The Argentine Government’s acts of intimidation towards cruise companies which have planned to visit the Falkland Islands continues to impact on the Islands tourism industry with a further two ships cancelling their February visits on Wednesday.
The ‘Seven Seas Mariner’ and ‘Regatta’ were due to visit on February 8 and 9 respectively, but have on Wednesday cancelled, citing their reason as the action the Argentine Government is taking against vessels including the Falkland Islands on their itineraries.
Sulivan Shipping is agent for the vessels owned by Prestige Cruise Holdings. The Seven Seas carries 700 passengers and the Regatta 600 representing a significant loss of monies to those who rely on tourism to boost their income throughout the season.
Tourist Board Chairman Assembly Member Mike Summers said the news that the Prestige Cruise group had, “caved in to Argentine pressure,” was extremely disappointing, and demonstrated, “a disturbing lack of backbone by the company officials involved.”
MLA Summers said a number of small Falklands businesses would be directly affected, although the Falklands economy generally would not notice the difference.
“This type of bullying by a large aggressive neighbour against a small innocent community is despicable, and deserves to attract worldwide condemnation,” he declared.
Sharon Jaffray – MercoPress - Stanley
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If you think this will ultimately play out in favour of Argentina you are a bigger loser than I had already concluded.
Not whinin. Just sayin...
Chuckle chuckle.
Sad when a nation of 40million resort to Hiutler Youth type tactics - still not surprising when you consider all those fast UBoat trips of early-mid 1945
Guess the bloodlines are doing well in Argentina today!
Just a few more irritating little midge bites here is how folks see it in reality, and few more solid reasons that get listed to the free world as to why the Islands would be stark raving mad to ever consider sitting down and talking sovereignty with your lot- and the list gets longer and longer!
Oh you are special Think. We're sitting on our islands and life goes on. It has its ups and downs like it always has but we're on the islands and Argentina is not.
Now, who's whinin?
Paint it however you want old man.
Chuckle chuckle.
All ships heading from South American ports to Malvinas should request permission to Buenos Aires. After all South America recognizes Malvinas as an integral part of the argentine territory.
See posts 4 and 10.
Chuckle chuckle
Never mind the Islanders will soon be able to buy their own cruise line, to go with the Airport and Port. Antarctic tourism made easy via the Falklands.
Truth is Argentina will soon be reduced to being nothing more than an irritation to the Islanders. No influence whatsoever on events in the S. Atlantic. Even less in the Antarctic.
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What's the answer?
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Break up Clarin Group newspapers for reporting reality
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Attack the Falkland Island's economy
simples
That may be so, but the air will be thick with flying pigs when the whole of South America recognizes any obligation to get permission from Argentina for anything.
They are simply an irritation now; certainly not worth whining about.
Think
How has your week in Stanley been? Did Celia's lab piss on your suitcase? It's been trained to. Some would call it a racist dog but others wouldn't.
Q. What's the difference between Celia's lab and Think?
A. One's an old flea-ridden animal prone to excessive dribbling and rabid tendencies. The other is a dog.
Keep painting that fantastic portrait Think old man. Who knows, maybe Jamie Peck could help you sell it.
Chuckle chuckle.
You probably thought you had the monopoly on it you whine so much.
And look at the penultimate paragraph........
He's losing the ability to post more words than he can count on one hand, and judging by #26, the ability to count to 5.
Never mind Think. The prognosis might be bad but we can always take you to the vetinary clinic and have you put to sleep in a humane way.
:D
www.oceaniacruises.com
;-)))))))
They have two, one is called the ARA Libertad, the other is the ARA Espora
Forgot to tell you boys……
Seems to be that the harbor workers of Buenos Aires don’t want to service the Seabourn Sojourn and her “Smart Captain”......
You know.....
The Captain that didn't know where the Islas Malvinas are.
Well....... He surely knows now.....
www.infobae.com/notas/684905-Cientos-de-turistas-varados-por-el-bloqueo-de-un-crucero-que-iba-a-Malvinas.html
Alright! This partner of another “fisherman” of England, Sawle, did not speak of “country” when he referred to the Malvinas Argentinas Islands . He's making great progress ...
By the way.....
When is the Gold Mine starting production?
Remember the Gold Mine?
This policy of aggression and bullying is also a policy of desperation by the failed Argentine government.
That's pretty much an argentinian cruise.
Ohhh yes, what did I read above, any ship that sails to the islands should get permission from BA, that the islands are an integral part of Argentina. Your having a laugh....the Union Jack flies over the islands children and there is sod all you can do about it, sweet fanny adams!
We've got the islands and you haven't, never have and never will. Gold or no gold. Oil or no oil. Cruise ships or no cruise ships. Whining retarded neighbours or no whining retarded neighbours. Here we remain and there's nothing you and your fantasies can do about it.
Just sayin...
Now, I'm off out. I wonder if I'll bump into a sad old Argie down around Allardyce St taking photos with his Kodak Instamatic. Maybe he be in the Pot, or
chatting with his old mate Norma. Perhaps he's even got the great sea captain, Royal Navy (of his mind) Retired, with him. A truly momentous trip back to the halcyon days when Kelpers behaved themselves.
Chuckle chuckle.
Not to be mistaken with an Argentine flight or a ride in an Argentine Ford Falcon.
Oh sorry, I forgot. That wasn't Argentina. That was the junta. Altogether different. The streets of Buenos Aires were filled with millions the night the junta invaded the Falklands but the current government is popular.
@53 have a good night JB give my regards to the the victory bar
Thank, email sent.
I will try and get, the email addresses of the executive team.
www.oceaniacruises.com/corporate/executiveteam.aspx
@ Think
Answer me this plz...
How will this state sponsored hooliganism, forcing some cruise ships to stop visiting the FI, bring Argentina nearer to achieving their colonial ambitions?
I'll bet the peso contents of this 'Thiink' character's wallet (now worth considerably less than a couple of weeks ago) that there is no credible answer.
Cheers mate. Only one problem. I went to leave only to discover that Mrs Bloggs has popped down to the shops and we're looking after the neighbours' wee kiddy while they're at a meeting. I'll have to wait until she gets back. I almost forgot we had the little one in our kitchen, bless her. Doing her homework and brushing the cat. The cat is not happy but is tolerating it. LOL!
I'm not heading to the Vic tonight but I'll tell Ali and Cath that an old friend said hello.
57
You don't expect Think to answer that do you?
Think. Do you leave on Saturday? I have to say I'm a little surprised you didn't utilise the Argie flights (not the fly/ dive packages that the junta used to offer) that LAN offer.
No, he's in Stanley right now.
Unless and somewhat perversely he's proud of this bullying and aggression?
Did the planes used to dump all of those pitiful victims into the ocean have Argentine flags on them?
@61 Yes
I would like you to answer my question please @57
I am trying to understand what Argentina will gain from destroying a few local businesses that rely on that tourism. I must be missing the logic.
That's easy to answer. It will distract attention from the state of the economy for a few days.
Do you have any info if the Seabourn Sojourn is heading to Puerto Estanley?
I'm getting conflicting data......
Where's that? I've not heard of it.
What's happening Think? You're the only Malvinista on here. Did Maximo call a meeting and leave you online to keep trying to throw shots over our bonnets while he re-groups. Why don't you at least unleash the great sea captain for a while? He's always good for a laugh.
These vessels belong to Prestige Cruise Holdings - who own Oceana Cruises. Perhaps they would benefit from some feedback ??
www.facebook.com/OceaniaCruises
If Think is in Stanley, could you send a doctor around to visit? He seems to be posting the things he's mumbling to himself and stuff that's out of date.
Oh, and if he wants a piece of the Falklands to take back home as a memento, remind him that he can take his pick of all the landmines that need shifting. He wont need any special tools, he just needs to walk around for a bit, I'm sure he'll find them...
Why does everyone keep asking that. You know they do but they're both in Africa. “On assignment.”
Chuckle chuckle.
70 britworker
On a serious note, you are quite correct of course. Tick tick.
'Clarify that blocking the British ship is union causes - The owner of SOMU, Omar Suarez, justified the crackdown driven by his union: “It is a boycott by mandate of the International Federation of Labour,” he said on Radio 10. A group of maritime workers hampered in the port of Buenos Aires the departure of the English ship Seabourn Sojourn , whose destination was the Islas Malvinas . Omar Suarez , general secretary of the Maritime Workers Union (SOMU) said that the protest is because “ the crew has no collective bargaining agreement. ”
According to Suarez, ”we are making arrangements to boycott all flags of convenience of countries by order of a world congress in Mexico was made by the International Transport Federation (ITF) . “
”This falls on the flag of convenience has Great Britain , which are flags of Bermuda, Cayman, Malta and Gibralta r “he said.
The vessel in question carries about 700 tourists and must leave Buenos Aires around the 17 to visit the Islands and end your tour in the Chilean city of Valparaiso.
To the charge of vandalism during the blockade, the holder of said SOMU ”to show solidarity with the cause Malvinas Gaucho Rivero and the law does not mean that we are in political or vandalism.'s the tool that gives us the democracy we are practicing “.
He also denied that the strike is motivated because it is a ship of English origin. ”Companies that make the collective bargaining agreement that requires the FIT, navigate properly,“ said Suarez.
”Beyond making business, companies have to look a little sovereignty of Argentina “, argued the secretary general of the union of maritime workers. He added that ”if we do not ask permission to a country, do not let us enter.“
”They use our docks, oil and water without paying any taxes,” he said.'
www.minutouno.com/notas/270455-aclaran-que-el-bloqueo-al-barco-ingles-es-causas-gremiales
Argentina you can huff, you can puff, but The Falklands are heading for Self-Determination and theres nothing you or anybody else can do that will change that :))))
SELF-DETERMINATION will prevail against Economic blackmail!
I'm not complaining. Not at all.In fact I'm trying, and failing, to imagine anything like this happening in the UK or the Falklands, and that gives me a very warm fuzzy feeling. In fact, it makes one proud to be British.
I'm also very happy that I won't need to listen to sanctimonious prats like you bleat on about that piece of glass around that plastic dolly at Darwin, ever again.
All I can hear is the sound of a country shooting itself in the foot repeatedly, and I can see that carrying on for some time. That doesn't give me any pleasure, but I am quite fascinated to see just where you go with this. There is no gain for you in this course of action at all. It annoys us a little bit, but it also makes you a lot of enemies all over the world. These cruise ship passengers all have families and friends and businesses, and you appear not to care what anyone thinks of you. In fact, we couldn't buy this kind of positive publicity. We don't have to expend any effort to make you look like arseholes, because you do it all by yourselves.
My best guess is that this isn't about the Falklands at all. In which case I feel sorry for you, because when anarchy and lawlessness seem like the best option for a government, it's staring into the abyss.
So no, not whinging at all.
They seem as confused about the status of Malta as they are about the Falkland Islands.
C'mon, tell me....
Is that bloody Sojourn Ship coming or not......
If not......, I'll have to fetch a new rubber dinghy......
Some bloody thieving Camp Kelper must have taken the one i left on the beach some time ago......
Can't trust them Kelpers anymore.....;-)
Is it coming where? Where are you? You're not making any sense.
Good point about Malta. I wonder if they would object to an Australia flag? The morons probably wouldn't know the difference.
Anyway I bet most British passengers would rather cut Argentina from their cruise than the FI.
Do you ever what? What is wrong with you man?
Did you take a Junta Holidays package for yor vacation? All expenses paid. Transfer to your nearest military airfield in a Ford Falcon and then board your flight for the fly / dive experience of a life time. Good stuff hey Thinky boy.
Well .......
I'm not getting any useful information from you about the arrival or cancelation of the Seabourn Sojourn on friday.....
I'll have to wait and see......
repeated global condemnation of these dictators and their constant human right abuses to the U.N,
then sit back and Argentina will do the rest for us :))))
After all would you pay for a cruise stopping at Argentina a dictatorship that has rapidly become an abuser of human rights??
Can I recommend MarineTraffic.com? Hope this helps.
Thanks for the tip.....
But I mostly use this one:
www.kreuzfahrtberater.de/schiffsposition.php?schiff=Seabourn+Sojourn
Mein Englrish is nich so good, you know ;-)
Anyhow...... I keep getting conflictive reports on my SW radio.....
Either way, it will update every five minutes and you'll be able to stay up all night watching it. It's not going to tell you where to get a life though.
Grumbler....;-)
Isnt there a new pot and pan parade due, another asset being impounded, another debt to pay, another trip to cancel due to a bad back, another corruption ranking to climb, another inflation hike, another power cut. I could go on but...meh!
I guess Argentina is just calling your bluff (though I think it is mean to do so).
We sink and destroy the of you.
I suggest you get out that English dictionary of yours and look up the word 'co-operation'. I can guarantee you that 'refraining from behaving like criminals' is not in there. We don't need you to co-operate. We just need you not to act like scum towards innocent third parties.
Never mind. You're looking shakier than ever up there on your moral high ground ;-)
Well, if you want to keep your struthious ways, be my guest. I still don't think we should engage in the very British behavior of trying to strangle the populace to get to the leadership. That is the quintessence of anglo-saxon strategy, and befit only for those under them... dogs, hyenas, and the like.
We shouldn't do the same and I'm ashamed in this instance we are.
But it does show that pride comes at a price Monty. You want to pretend we don't exist, well I don't get why a couple of cruise ships sends all your blood pressures to the alert zone, from a country that “doesn't exist” to you in terms of its influence.
I don't know who you think you are quoting. Falkland Islanders have never said Argentina has no influence. That would be quite wrong.
What we do say is that your 'influence' will not affect our attitude, apart from to make our will stronger. The worse you behave, the more unthinkable it becomes that we could ever change our minds. We have been paying the price for a long time now and will continue to pay it.
Dial 1 (800) EAT-SH*T.
Love it!
I doubt there will be that many Brits on the cruise, but it would be hoot, if they docked and none of the passengers disembarked.
I think it would also be a nice touch if they ammended their tourist literature, to reflect the truth, something along the lines of, ”Argentina, land of the Gaucho (Gaucho struck through with a thick black line) Brown Shirts, passengers disembark at their own risk.”
This ones a cracker, just post short words eg
Whingers ....heres some more.... listen to this one moan...etc etc
Its effective on many levels, firstly its so simple and shows our intelligence. Secondly as on most forums we are on a back foot and normally post lies, this is an easy fix to fill up forums which iam sure the world agrees shows massive support for our failing country.
Keep up the good work and there will be extra dollar for you this Christmas.
Maximo
Argentina, however, refused mediation. Argentina does not recognize the Falkland Islands’ right to self-determination, leaving negotiations without a starting point.
What’s Argentina’s problem!!! The Spanish colonists took over two million square kilometres of land from the indigenous peoples of South America to create Argentina and they are desperate to own a group of islands which are over 400 km away from there shores. Argentina should leave the Falkland islanders in peace. They have attacked them twice first time in the sixties and the second time in the eighties. Look at the vast mineral wealth, oil and gas the land they took from the local indigenous peoples contains and the country is facing bankruptcy due to corruption and poor management of resources. The population of Argentina is 85% white (colonists), European decent and 11% indigenous peoples.
Sign my petition! Share my petition! Maybe if this issue actually gets discussed in Parliment then they will actually do something about rubbish like this! (Fat chance - but who knows!)
Does the UK Government believe that this decision by the tour operators, has resulted from the use of violence and intimidation on the part of Argentina? has most of us on here do.
It is irrelevent that Argentina says it has not orchestrated such a campaign, the fact is it has done nothing to prevent or punish it and has legislation which frankly, provokes it.
At the very least, the UK, should take action on the behalf of the Falkland Islands, they shoulld take it to The Tribuanal for the Law of the Sea, or what ever it's called. Argentina moved pretty damn quick over the Ghana issue, the UK should do the same.
Not holding my breath though!
Who uses that term to remind himself to do so; and believes that it is revelationary for others to do so. But I would fight for his right to make fatuous comments based on non-democratic and therefore lingerimg colonial beliefs put out by the archaic and illiterate companies of CFK.
Anachronisms in an inhumane shell of self-interests.
How can weak anglo saxons hope to defeat these strong latin men nay latin gods?
Unfortanatly quite easily if argentina was a succesfully run country( it has all the basics to be successful) the islanders would be jumping for closer links.
unfortunalty its “elite” are a collection of retarded chimps which make the UK's political class of no hopers look like genius.
Argentina should work on paper
Raw materials check
Land check
Educated workforce check
Leadership with a clue er no not one :(
A. Glaziers.
They suffer from what the wartime RAF called LMF.
Lack of moral fibre, or cowardice.
Not for one minute, I am accusing any of those poor bomber boys branded LMF as cowards. They had done their best and could not take any more.
Will do Mr Brown shirt.
Looks like the boycott is spreading.
Meanwhile,Holland America Line's MS Veendam cancelled a stop at the Falklands due on Friday in July -- not as a result of the protests. (OH YEAH!PULL THE OTHER ONE.)
Both lines are owned by US-based Carnival Corp and were the first big cruise ships due to the islands this summer season.
A Holland America Line spokesperson told the newspaper: “Regarding our scheduled calls to the Falkland Islands, when the weather is good and predictable we go there, when it is not – which is most of the time – we don't.”
Sulivan Shipping in Port Stanley tweeted: “The AIDAcara due to visit on December 3 has cancelled her visit due to the current political situation in Argentina (REFRESHING HONESTY) A huge blow for all involved, let's hope this doesn't continue throughout the season.”
Got to love the Holland America Line, blaming the weather, at least the others have the balls! to tell the truth.
Keep it up KFC, show your true colours, you are stiffening our peoples resolve, you will never get your hands on the Islands, never.
New word for your dictionary: Malvinasism. A pathological desire for something that can never be realised or achieved.
Joe Watters and Frank Del Rio
An argie name for the second one if ever there was one. Very 'upmarket' cruises according to the business analysis.
The day will come when TMBOA and all her little trolls and the bitter, chief liar on MP if he still lives, will rue the day they started this collective stupidity as the oil revenue exceeds the output of YPF.
Treat yourself to a laugh everybody: TMBOA was opening her mouth again in public, see todays BsAs Herald - you could NOT make this up.
Of course ALL British potential cruise tourists should boycott any cruise line WORLDWIDE if they are involved in this Argentinian blackmail.
I think they would lose huge sums of money if this happened,
Maybe we should start a petition on the Daily Mail ?
Do you work for your Govt? either directly or indirectly.
To that end, they then employ tactics such has we are know seeing. Surely, the recent events of 1982 would teach them one thing. The United Kingdom does not respond favourably to bully boy tactics, never has done, never will do.
Like someone said on here, you attract more flies with sugar than you do with vinegar!
Marcos comes from the same background - come on Marcos - try - What benefit will Argentina get on the world stage from the current bullyboy tactics?
You do realise of course that - yes - it annoys us Islanders a bit - but does not have a significant economic impact at the end of the day. Just makes Argentina the laughing stock of the world really.
The weaker and wetter cruise lines attitude to a closing of all British ports in the Carribean to them would be interesting?
Think they migh loose passengers in big numbers to their competitors who do have the balls to ignore your President,s 21st century Hitler Youth mobs.
Will be intersting to see where we are with all this in say 12 months time.
If they were to paint the Union flak on their tails, would they be refused permission to land?
Just a thought.
when the weather is good and predictable we go there, when it is not – which is most of the time – we don't.”
no wonder POMs feel right at home on those islands....they have a craving for foul and miserable weather...
If you hadn't taught us so well, then we wouldn't be so good at it. Keep up the good work!
You are only moving further away from your objective, but deep down, I believe this is what Argentina wants. This nation craves to play the victim and it needs someone to hate and vent its anger at. It distracts them from all the unnecessary woes that they have to face in the day-to-day lives in Argentina.
This version of state sponsored terrorism against the Falklands will hurt our wealth, but it will never make us negotiate. So Think, can continue with his insults (call us whatever you want) but you will never be able to call us Argentines. And for the rest of the Argentines can keep rejoicing at their attempts of economic blackmail. Nothing will change.
No prizes forguessing where you emmigrated to then.
If the weather is so foul and miserable, wh ydo you want them?
As for their statement. Seems to me they are more worried about losing customer revenue than they are about telling the truth, who the hell goes to the South Atlantic for a sun tan?
Note to South Atlantic Cruise Passengers: Do not forget to pack the factor 50!
Witness CFK triggering the penultimate default ruling due to her crowd pleasing outbursts about 'vulture funds'.
Witness Argentina stealing YPF, great PR for a couple of weeks, now they're trying to get inward investment, ahhh OK, good luck with that.
Witness CFK sponsoring that advert on the war memorial in the Falklands - ruined their Olympic chances... and whats left of their image...
Witness INDEC blantently lying about inflation, IMF red card on the way...
Witness ARA Libertad sailors drawing their guns against port workers in Ghana
Witness CFK sponsoring violence on the streets against tour operators... who knows how this will end, not good for Argentina is a fair bet.
etc...
Think, Odd isn,t it that you- same as most other Argetnines - can never answer a direct question?
They long ago ran out of being able to justify any of their attitudes or justifications of rights to the Falklands. Any time they do, they get tied in knots as their basis for ownership is hugely flawed, and they know it.
That's why they are reduced to spouting gibberish on the forums.
Their only means of gaining control of the Falkland Islands is mount another invasion, which considering the state of their armed forces and impounded equipment these days, would amount to having to take a charter flight, or rowing a dinghy over the sea. They could block book a cruise ship, but I suspect that they dont have enough Pesos in the kitty to pay for it.
With Mount Pleasant having a few more troops available than Naval Party 8901 had in '82, I suspect the invasion would last as long as it took to eat a Polo mint.
Ships can self-determinate where they want to be or go.
They can chose to go to FI and avoid Argentina or don’t go to Argentina and go to FI.
May be the directives of the companies make some numbers and then thought...
FI is not a good business like Argentina so we remain Argentinean business partner. Can you see here S-D again.
May be the idiots in the govt. in FI are not managing the economy so well, lack of competence may be?
I guess that Argentina should have to make a referendum among all port workers asking.
A-Do you want Ships go to FI? Yes or no
B-Do you want to remain Argies and ships stop going to FI? Yes or no?
C- Do you want all ships only come to Argentina and salary rise or a salary cut UK style and ship allowed to go to FI? Yes or no.
I start to love British democracy and Self-Determination can we have more of this pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.
Well you can not have them, next plaese!
keep up the good work
I imagine this will blow over like the RG government stating that a cruise liner wouldn't sail to the falklands, and it was sitting in harbour.
The brownshirts wont sustain this, soon have bigger fish to fry
It's hot and raining so they still can't plant, no planting means no sowing mean NO SOY.
It is fascinating how they support bullying while living under a dictatorship getting poorer and poorer every day while the ruling class gets richer and richer.
Gov't propaganda worked wonders in Germany a few decades ago...
Some animals are more equal than other animals.
keep writing and signing petitions whingers...
something learned from Argentina - the undesputed world's champions
#127
“no wonder POMs feel right at home on those islands....they have a craving for foul and miserable weather...”
The British are an extremely hardy race and can put up with weather that would make other “soft”nations. eg Argentinians. curl up and die.
You only have to go back to 1982 to see proof of that.
Your shower of wimps were complaining that they were cold and wet while our men marched through the rain, sleet and slept on the ground and kicked your butts. My goodness there was a great deal of whining from the Argentinian population then,,,,nothing has changed since then,. Keep on whining as it is now your national sport.
By the way, the word is wimp NOT whimp, please use correct noun in future correspondence
Don't worry any more about the Falkland Islands, tomorrow is 7D, all our problems will be solved as from 23:59:59. The “Malvinas” will “return” to our sovereignty, the inflation will drop to 9%, the gangs of “express” kidnappers will disappear, the re-re-election will become reallity, Amado Boudou will stop being a corrupt arsehole, CFK will become a modern version of Mother Teresa, Oyarbide will sell his US$250.000 diamond ring and will become an honest Judge, ARA Libertad will come sailing back from Ghana, ARA Espora from South Africa and vast quantities of FDI will pour into the coffers of Aerolíneas Argentinas and YPF!!!!!!!!
7D the beginning of a new and brilliant future for Argentina... CFK has spoken!!!!
@6 So much better than a Faggot
@8 Or a Queer.......
@11 Why? Argieland is a rogue, pariah state. Last look says argieland is in debt to the tune of US$100 billion. Masses of street crime. Murder, narcotics, theft, male and female rape, violence.
@12 Bumboys......
@15 Wankers.......
@20 Up to your ass in it......
@26 Are you “joy”?
@29 Here, pussy, pussy. We have a surprise for you. Be careful, it's sharp. Back on to it carefully.
@31 And, in your case, crabs....
@34 Not at all. Always glad to contact companies and make a point about not being scared of little piss-ass “countries”.
@38 Been there. Done that. Last Friday I believe.
@40 Having trouble with “cut and paste”? Worth noticing that argieland wasn't referred to as a “country”. But it's not, is it? It's just where 40-odd million genocidal war criminals hang out!
@49 It's not polite to always talk about yourself. And the word is spelled “C-O-C-K-R-O-A-C-H”. Difficult, isn't it? When you can't crawl up high enough to look in a mirror.
@59 Bankrupt.
@64 Feckwit.
@69 DYOR.
@86 Swim out and watch for it.
@96 In next week's exciting instalment, a British submarine........
@98 Marine highwaymen. Oh, isn't that “pirates”?
@101 Nit.
@102 Who would want to phone you?
@105 Who told you that you could ooze out of your sewer?
@109 Strange. Didn't realise your first name is 'Dogshit'.
@111 I have. Try 42732.
@119 Have you read the petition asking for argieland to be missiled?
@121 Do you mean: 'YPF would have suffered same fate as Aerolíneas had I not nationalized it' Definitely another joke. doesn't she now owe another US$10 billion?
@130 Do be sure to give argieland some of your oil. Just be sure it's well alight first! Argieland loves oil. So right on the edge of their territorial waters would be a good place to sink and old, leaking, but full, tanker!
@134 How about we ban argie vessels from British territories?
Nestor - made his money during the evil junta years.
Maximo - Where has the $2billion for Plummet Airlines gone?
KFC - Where has the $520million for the YPF sale in Santa Cruz gone?
Boudou - How are you escaping prison for corruption?
Timmerman - Why are you supporting a political ideology aligned with hitlerism?
Bearing all this in mind, the bullying tactics employed by the SA Brown Shirts seem small fry.
You tolerate its cravings for attention to a point but eventually it has to be placed on the naughty step for its own protection.
Let's face it - even Argentines know this is hampering its ill conceived efforts to attain sovereignty. Lashing out through frustration will only harm them in the end.
Even the EU with that very very creepy starey belgian president (forgot his name) seem to be unable to put them on the naughty step and tell Mercosur to get furked, whilst signing deals with Brazil directly. Why is this?
I think we should be told.
Courtesy of Google translate.
“La bandera en alto! Las filas bien cerrado! La marcha SA con el paso tranquilo y firme. Compañeras y compañeros fusilados por el Frente Rojo y reaccionarios de marzo en espíritu dentro de nuestras filas. Desactive las calles por los batallones marrones, despejar las calles para el soldado de asalto! Millones de personas están mirando a la cruz gamada lleno de esperanza, El día de la libertad y de pan amanece! Por última vez, la llamada a las armas suena! Para la lucha, todos estamos preparados! Pronto banderas de Hitler volará sobre todas las calles. El tiempo de la esclavitud durará, pero ahora un poco de tiempo! La bandera en alto! Las filas bien cerrado! La marcha SA con el paso tranquilo y firme. Compañeras y compañeros fusilados por el Frente Rojo y reaccionarios de marzo en espíritu dentro de nuestras filas.”
''I start to love British democracy and Self-Determination can we have more of this pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.''
No. Unfortunately, you get Argentine 'democracy';
''Do what we tell you or we'll send thugs around to smash up your property and impound your ships''
It's not that tempting.
Yep, Der Horst WESSEL song, translated of course. La Campora, SA aka Brown Shirts, no difference.
I am making the figures up, but lets say the cruise industry tourism gets the Falklands 10-15 million a year. Multiply that by 200 (100 years the Falklands are likely to remain a UK territory). Argentina can state this is to offset “loss of resources” from the “Malvinas” (which I wouldn't agree with) or “administrative” costs, in having to check ship from the Faklands for any strange/threateting British activity (something every nation in the world would fully understand the suspicion).
That equals 1-1.5 billion. Have British companis auto-expropriate and we call it a deal. That way the people of the Falklands are not hurt.
If the UK rejects, then Argentina can say the UK gov is siding with a few rich fat cats while not caring about the pocketbooks of 3000 innocent islanders.
How does NO sound?
If you haven't noticed, every time the IMF, UK, EU, USA, China, Brazil/Mercosur, Mexico, Japan, Ghana, have taken action against Argentina, we double down.
At some point you must understand, we also don't respond well to bullying.
Even a dumb dog won't touch a fence after they have been shocked a couple times.
There is no electric fence here because you in the rest of the world are like a fence with the power cut off and holes in the meshing and parts of it weighed down to ground level. 12 years and you haven't been able to do anything in spite of all the bluster.
You're the national equivalent of a pathological larcenist and you think making legal complaints works?
Gosh.
pol-check.blogspot.co.uk/2012/02/falklands-have-always-been-argentine.html
This explains the sovereignty claims. Chilean readers might like to read:
pol-check.blogspot.co.uk/2012/11/the-falklands-are-chilean.html
Have you ever stated Argentina is right in any dispute? One time, ever?
Then you complain about Argentina not showing any impartiality? Later.
What does that tell you, eh?
It tells me you to continue according no intellectual respect towards you or the other anti-argies, who like yourself have such an extreme, inordinate self-inflated ego, that they “proffer” their tendentious, emotionally bedraggled opinion hit pieces as apodictic.
Thank you, it makes this forum that much more enjoyable and didactic.
I find it works wonders for hiccups.
I'm truly flummoxed as to how your country even manages to make it through one single solitary day... and yet it seems to.
Toby what did I tell you about using those types of words to get a thought across;
Let me remind you since apparently forgot
It makes you look like a lunatic.
I am not trying to be contentious but can you give us a few examples of where Argentina was right in any disputes.
I know little of Argentina's history and am distinctly biased in relation to the Falklands, however, I believe I am fair minded and could acknowledge that Argentina has been in the right, if you could give me your unbiased examples.
Whats funnier is that the Argentine government probably pay him to troll these sites as some form of government policy
Think may be paid or he may be allowed to hold US Dollars, or have a paypal account, things denied to his fellow countrymen.
But then why should he worry his country is under the oppressive heel of the peronists, many of whom appeared in Argentina in 1945, with a little gold and some art treasures.
I only hope the innocent people, those that were not thrown out of planes to look like ants in the wind, do not suffer from more of CFK's bad management and evil intentions
“Projection” alert!!!! Poor Tito, the victim again!!!
Tell me Tito, While you are so busy playing the victim in all of this, is it right for a country to get a neo-nazi group to smash up offices and Embassies? to plant bombs??
You're not going to answer of course, this is a bit too direct for you silly little trolls isn't it?
You should join “Think” he has finally settled at his most comfortable intelectual level, all that peusdo-intelectual bullsh*t he kept on spouting on about. I suggest you do the same, before you choke / drown in your own...............
P.S:- You have a nice day now.............
Still no ships going to FI I'm just wonder why?
Don't worry KaMoron will turn UK Royal Navy into UK Royal Caribbean to bring tourist from UK to FI.
After all, these boats have to be useful for something. Am I wrong?
Simple, because you intimidate and threaten their Argentinian staff with a real threat of violence.
Try that crap across the water and you will get a severe spanking, just like last time.
Dec 06th, 2012 - 04:59 pm
“Still no ships going to FI I'm just wonder why?”
Actually if you check up on your data before writing bullshit, you will find that M/V Seabourn Sojourn is en route to Port Stanley at the moment!!!!!
She is opposite San Clemente de Tuyú at the moment!!!!!!
marinetraffic.com/ais/default.aspx?zoom=9&oldmmsi=311027100&olddate=12/6/2012%201:54:00%20AM
www.seascanner.com/schiffsposition.php?schiff=Seabourn+Sojourn
I have just finished my last disquisitions and next week I have only some administrative duties... then school is out for the summer!
That means I will be able to be here the entire day telling the truth in your faces with more and faster updates on:
- How Europe is guilty of countless crimes against humanity
- How the UK is the opposite of a human rights, democratically loving society
- Up to the minute coverage of the daily mass shooting wherever in the USA
- and much much more...
Don't you love the southern summertime!! And it's finally really warm in the mornings, which gets your blood flowing for some pool time in the hot sunny afternoons... can't really get into the pool if the morning is cool and the water is freezing.
So poolside drinks, sun, and making usufruct of my superior IQ, vocabulary, and noetic-informational skills to put the northern foreign-fiends where they belong on the Humble scale.
It's gonna be sensational, and I hope you are all excited!
Isn't the southern summertime great?
About 15 new British downers, wailers, squawkers and snivellers.......
Like Waldorf and Statler.
One pair are puppets controlled by people.
The other pair appeared on the muppet show.
The funniest shit of all is that you think we don't see you foreign anti-argies the same way.
You are worse than a marxist claque.
Take off your blinkers. ;)
During the meeting, Boudou also highlighted the joint work in the Security Council of the UN and the G20 and pondered the fact that both countries were “recognized as the two countries to take further steps to ensure that workers” do not lose their sources labor.
The vice president highlighted the economic and social achievements of both nations and declared the need to “increase bilateral trade.”
“Bilateral trade grew much and began to shrink the gap unfavorable for Argentina,” he said and hoped that the visit of the official Asian “serves to export value-added goods and receive investments as charges of Belgrano”.
He also warned that “the concept of one China is part” of international politics Argentina.
Qinglin, meanwhile, said that a decision by the authorities of his country to strengthen “the friendship and exchange with Argentina” and described the country as “a nation of weight in Latin America with abundant natural resources and broad prospects for development. ”'
www.diariojornada.com.ar/58528/Politica/Boudou_recibio_en_el_Senado_a_un_dirigente_de_China
177 Nostrolldamus The 2nd
Do you pair of comedians have anything to say apart from name- calling? Because if not, we should all probably give up and find something more interesting to do.
Oh and TTT, I know this has been said before, probably by me, but using archaic words out of context doesn't demonstrate a superior IQ. Language is for communication, and if you fail to communicate to your intended audience, you are.....just an epic fail, really.
'Foreign- fiends'??? Are you for real? And are you really planning to spend all of your holiday on here? You sad, sad boy.
BA gets mighty hot and stinky in the summer.
Have they picked up the trash yet?
Maybe you can swim in the brown, cold, water and windy, wet sand beaches of Mar Del Plata.
Yuck never again.
We know you view us in the same way. All the pro CFK tribe do.
The more enlightened can see things more clearly, which is why I said take off the blinkers.
But if it makes you happy, carry on in fantasy land. I don't give one flying fuck about you and what you think personally. I'll just chuckle at your slovenly devotion to TMBOA, and will tell you to go do one if you ''Think'' you can claim the FI, which you cannot. You never owned them, will never own them. Do what you like, they will stay the Falkland Islands and independent from the lunacy of Peronism and Malvinistas for as long as there is a planet called Earth.
In the meantime, a quick G n T whilst we watch the despot show being played out in south east SA ;)
Brown waters in Mar del Plata? Somehow I missed that part when I went. And the water was cold, but then I see what happened.
You are confusing New Jersey with Mar del Plata. A/C is great, we have one in every room of the house and the living room.
@183
Aren't you in the Falklands? They maybe wonderful to live in, but to spend a summer vacation? Unlikely.
Gross
A/C only works with electricity too bad it keeps going out every other day. But glad you have it in every room is that something to be proud of there? It si the same pride you have when building a new dam, road or what was it indoor shopping center? I'm never quite sure I grew up north of Mexico.
You obviously never been to Germany, so much for your ability to travel.
Oh and yes, I made that “description” especially for you, you are my Pavlovian trifle...
I am proud of the new dams, and yes we are getting a brand new freeway to San Juan, and the Wine Region Freeway is getting expanded to 6 lanes. And we are getting to new metro lanes.
Things that stopped being built in your country long ago... and not for reasons of no longer needing any further ones.
That reminds me I'm gonna check how many dams failed in the USA this year alone... I bet it's more than in Argentina in the last 10 years combined!
Suck it, Oh I get it. That's how the USA get men to space now, sucking good old Moscovite.... well you fill in the rest.
And why is that dude still talking about Mendoza, where there is no law and people have to hang about with guns, and police shoot you at parties? Why doesn't he talk about somewhere nice instead?
I think we should be told.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQqNRLw-dNg
www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Lo6JTSkTRM
www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTuGlOWK0qI
www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rgD2fhPuwE
Good afternoon Joe....
I can seee that the Seabourn Sojourn has turned off its VOR......
That can only mean one thing..... She will be at Puerto Estanley on saturday morning....
What a relief.........
Don't get too excited. That was simply a copy and paste of a news article gone wrong. I only transferred over the headline.
196
Wow Think, you know what a VOR is! What freq does she transmit on? Either one will do.
LOL. Nobody believes you.
196
Come on Think! I thought we were going to have a conversation about nav aids but then you died in the arse. What's up? Celia's lab?
Instead you dream of Mendoza, a place where everyone wears kevlar because the local police are booze-addled and can shoot you dead before you can say 'its only a party'.
Don't cops open fire on parties in the USA on a hourly basis? Yes they do. How bad of you not to care for your cousins lives more than for your enemy.
But at least “sh!t” happens at parties. Its at night, its dark, lots of people around, alcohol, drugs, love and hate... hormones... cops... things CAN happen.
Now, being shot dead just because you were walking (alone), on a brightly lit subway station with no one around, no alcohol, no insanity, by the police, now that is the brigh-line of a totalitarian police state.
It's quite clear you're incapable of free thought though, probably because of the programming at primary school.
You have lost me on this post. Do you like these versions of the song, music and lyrics by two Englishmen, OR does your irrational hatred of everywhere outside Argentina preclude this ?
I am still waiting for a reply to my polite enquiry at #164.
Have you thought of any examples ?
#177
Actually the weather here has been sunny and cold - our days are actually 24 hours long - I presume it is the same where you live. DAYLIGHT is about 7 hours long coming up to the winter solstice but we have the advantage of 17 hours of daylight in mid summer. I do not notice any difference to the Christmas shopping
from previous years - the same money seems to be being spent.
You are correct, the recession goes on as does yours.
Give us a treat, on what subject was your disquisition - I hope it was not on the English language.
My slide scanner has now processed 100 slides so I can now go and do something more useful.
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Still no ships going to FI 2 agreed to don’t call for FI port.
Just I’m wondering why?
BTW are you planing to apply for a job in the new KaMoron’s “UK Royal Navy Caribberan”?
Be advised that Kebabs and Curry stuff are only available to eat.
Do you need son sort of advising over how to buy cheap pyjamas also?
TUFF LOOK CRISSY YOU INFLATED LIPPED ASS WIPE
www.seascanner.com/schiffsposition.php?schiff=Seabourn+Sojourn
Another case of not thinking, or garbage in garbage out syndrome.
Do you really understand what VOR is ?
Do you know the primary use of VOR ?
Argentina is slightly larger than Buenos Aires, which is a city. I know in your neck of the forest countries are the size of my backyard, but that's not the case here. I could drive for four days from Iguazu and still be driving in my country.
Mendoza is fine, probably better than whatever place you live in.
@204
Do you hate this?
www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWGeRgFa-hI
Probably one of the top 3-5 most famous theme songs... I'm sure you hate it now.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandbanks
MUST TELL YOU A FUNNY STORY OF A GREASY ARGENTINE WHO WAS DATING ONE OF OUR STRIPPERS HERE IN UK HE'S CALLED LEANDRO PENNA, WELL HE GOT SMACKED IN THE MOUTH BY A SAS SOILDER SO TO AQUIRE A PAIR OF LIPS LIKE YOUR BELOVED PRESIDENT CUNTINA KIRCHER LOL
MUST TELL YOU A FUNNY STORY OF A GREASY ARGENTINE WHO WAS DATING ONE OF OUR STRIPPERS HERE IN UK HE'S CALLED LEANDRO PENNA, WELL HE GOT SMACKED IN THE MOUTH BY A SAS SOILDER SO TO AQUIRE A PAIR OF LIPS LIKE YOUR BELOVED PRESIDENT CUNTINA KIRCHER LOL
I haven't come back with anything. I woudn't deign myself to vouchsafe you even a desultory riposte, which for an individual like yourself would be tantamount be a moliminous watershed in your life. To expend even a calorie to cogitate an adult response would not prove a fructuous emprise. I would enjoin you however to continue forth with this new deportment of yours... It is the consummate beau ideal for defining the “anglo-saxon” character. Your inverecund display of your education level redounds upon your people and helps to lignify your travailed and sedulous pursuit of international opprobrium.
perhaps you can remind us the true inflation figure in your country
The true GDP
and why the IMF have threatened Argentina with sanctions for not telling the truth or is simply that
ARGENTINA ALWAYS THE VICTIM
It started out smelling like burning cabbage but the smell keep getting stronger. Luckily we are located a fair distance from the port so it wasn't as bad as others had it. Afterwards there was heavy rain flooding the city and power cuts. Power has been out across the street for the last 6 hours. I still have partial power in my house. All and all another craptacular day in BA. (On another note, the media law, the one the Govt. wants to use to suppress the opposition will not go into effect tomorrow. They are pissed
BET CRISSY IS NOT TO PLEASED AGAIN
Argentina Always The Victim
hahahahahahahahahaha.
And they can't read the other paper because they just have no stomach, or backbone. Weaklings.
“Dealing with Argentina “one of the most painful problems” admits President Mujica”
Tell me when have you attacked a bigger country in your entire history? All your glorious Empire conquests were against at best Bronze Age tribes in Africa, Australia, and the Americas... and oh against the ultra-pacifist Hindus.
The only two honorable mentions would be your WWII parry of the German Blitz, at the time the most advanced and powerful military attack force... and the repelling of the Spanish Armada, at the time by far the world's most powerful navy.
Since then what? You invaded a country that is still in the dark ages (with 20 other countries), and Iraq (behind the USA).
So don't throw many stones, brit.
I seem to remember a war in 1982 that we won.
Seem to remember Iraq invaded kuwait first, then the UN sanctioned a multinational force.
Dont get your point?? does a seabourne invasion 8000 miles to take islands defended by a much larger force in land and air resources count????
So less a glorious military achievement more slapping some sense into the retarded kid after everything else has failed
Nah, the Armada and Battle of Britian was something, but 82 was something else.
Sailing 8,000 miles to counter attack well prepared enemy positions, with air and naval cover, at the odds of 1:3 (Current miltary tactics all say that an assaulting force should have a ratio of 3:1) andcomprensively defeating the enemy. Now that is something impressive in the annals of military history.
While we are at it, it should be remembered who threw the first stone!
I wish there was a 'red pen' function on this website. I f any student of mine ever gave me anything like that drivel I'd sit them in the naughty corner for half a day until they could write ' I am a pretentious prat' in Middle English in 50 different ways. I very much doubt 'fructuous emprise' has been written or seen since the days of Chaucer.
And guess what, that still doesn't make you clever.
Factually incorrect again
Have you ever heard of France or Napoleon ? Their army has always been larger than that of the UK and they were no walkover in any battles.
I think that if you read the history of Britain in India you will discover that the pacifist Hindus were anything but. They also had firearms and cannons - not bronze age weapons.
The Indians had distinct warrior classes -Rajputs and Sikhs.
Again, they had weaponry equivalent to that of the British forces and greater numbers of men. Fighting them was no easy task.
Well Andy seems Katie Price (Your stripper) was having a lot of fun with the “GREASY ARGENTINE” as you said.
Envy because you can only get when lucky the ugly ones with moustache and with hairy armpits perhaps?
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blogs.lanacion.com.ar/esto-no-es-hollywood/files/2011/03/Leandro-Penna-y-Katie-Price1.jpg
www.ciudad.com.ar/sites/default/files/imagecache/cathair-620x380-nocrop/2012/10/24/leandro-penna-int.jpg.crop_display.jpg
You forgot about the defeat of Napolean as well.
But as has been pointed out, the events of 1982 was quite some going. You even had a navy which, although old, was still quite quite capable of stopping the landings at San Carlos before the ships even entered the MEZ. However, your Navy took one hit and ran home to port.
You outnumbered us in troops and aircraft. You had 3 weeks to dig in. You could even carry on bringing in fresh troops and supplies via C130.
I'd say that 1982 was a very good example of fighting against a FAR larger force.
outnumbered who?
Britain deployed more than 25.000 servicemen and sent all what her got to retake the Islands.
And a total of more than 100 ships Plus 2 carriers HMS Hermes and Invincible, harriers, Bombers, choppers, etc, etc.
Being the bigger military deployment of UK since WWII until now.
But we are in 2012 and UK has not even one carrier or military personnel to repeat such task.
May be you will send children like in Iraq and Afghanistan. Who knows?
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2050684/UK-sent-children-Iraq-Afghanistan-despite-Government-ban.html
Im tired of seeing black, black, of her speech, of her audience and singings, etc. Of her politics, the only thing you can buy with 1 $ is an action of an arg company, but not even an egg. Thats the value of our money and our companies.
We from outside see the problem quite clearly with the biggest being your leader,this woman is nothing but trouble once she as raped and pilaged your country no doubt she will be gone with you guys left with all the mess to clear up, it's incredible that after The British helped restore democrecy in Argentina by defeating the Junta you have not been able to elect a governmant or leader that is not corupt,says alolt for South American democrecy.
And about democracy, here we have more than you. Or your lords arent choosed by finger and your Queen decide to go to wars.....
The up front in your face fighting, was done by 3.000 combat troops against 11.000 entrenched troops. Your troops. Suppose your going to come back with some pathetic excuse about them being untrained conscripts.
How much training does it need, to sit in a hole and fire a rifle at some one in front of you?
34 Harriers on two carriers against 100+ land based aircraft, naval assets 5.000 miles from nearest logistical support against a fleet operating a days sailing time from their bases.
No wonder your pride is still hurt. You had all the advantages, had you an half decent army and navy, you would have won easily, the history is different though, aint it?
GOD BLESS THE GREAT BRITISH FALAND ISLANDS
GOD BLESS CHILE
KFC case in point, what was it 40 pesos per vote? and even provided with transport to collect it!
Not what I call democracy.
ARGENTINA ALWAYS THE VICTIM
They have more complaints and cases against them in various world organisations than any other country
I think it says it all.
Kirchner is no better than what was defeated in 1945
Mind you, if it does blow a gale and she cannot disembark passengers I guess Think will claim that even God is on Christina,s side!
Danny B - there is a very large well defended concrete carrier here all year round now called RAF Mount Pleasant and its current 4, 5th Generation interceptor Eurofighter Typhoons can take on all your FAA could muster.
Yet again you should check your facts.
Did you know that 2090 will be the Falkland Islands Quincentennial. Man that will be some celebration, shame I will not still be around, British and Immortal, to much to ask for, can't be greedy!
But here, they were well equipped soldiers, our navy was a 'threat', etc, etc, etc.
Now that is the definition of “titivating lore” (phrase especially dedicate for Professor Monty).
None of those words, except for perhaps “inverecund”, “moliminous”, “lignify”,and “fructuous” are rare. They are however not often used, and would never be used together like I did in 217.
But if you don't respect the addressee, why would I bother about such things?
And if I were you, at least I would enjoy being exposed to new vocabulary, because I'm sure there had to be at least a couple that were new to you, or at least that you had forgotten for years or decades. Why not take the positive of the experience?
Dec 07th, 2012 - 04:24 pm
Having reread the article, I find there is not a single reference to “noteworthy victory” or discussion of Argentine soldiers, so your comment is apparently about some other thread, and certainly has nothing to do with “Argentine bullying tactics are despicable says Falklands MLA Summers”!!!!!
“THEY” said:
@228
“I seem to remember a war in 1982 that we won.”
@229
“Dont get your point?? does a seabourne invasion 8000 miles to take islands defended by a much larger force in land and air resources count????”
@231
“Now that is something impressive in the annals of military history.”
I would suggest you learn how to read.
And all argie wars have been against larger opposition (the civilian militia of BUenos Aires against the British army batallions, revolutionaries against the Spanish Army, Argentina vs Brazil in the cisplatine war, Argentina vs Paraguay [a larger country then and one that had prepared for war], Argentina vs UK...)
Every country we have waged war against has been larger than us.
And then you have the Crossing of the Andes... over a 3500 meter pass, with horses, cannons, soldiers, equipment, etc... to sneak attack the Spanish in Chile.
That is recognized as one of the greatest military feats of endurance and logistics of all time.
In 1807 the Spanish forces in BA were up against a single British Regiment of the line, comprising 3 infantry battalions and associated units like engineers, a grand total of 1500 men.
The Spanish had a great superiority in numbers and equipment, yet the British still managed to capture BA and hold it for a month and a half. I wouldn’t shout about that one if I were you.
Then there is the war of the triple Alliance, how do you figure Argentina on its own to be smaller than the mighty Paraguay, never mind when combined with Brazil and Uruguay. Missed that one out completely.
Not to forget the “conquest of the desert”, when Argentinian forces fresh from slaughtering Paraguyans, overran Patagonia, despite the Patagonian Indians having overwhelming superiority in men, firepower and technology. Clearly your finest hour.
“One of the greatest military feats of endurance and logistics of all time” Possibly so, I have never heard of it and could find no reference when I checked on Google. I am not saying it did not happen.
Another couple for consideration are D-Day - the logistics for this were staggering and the war could have been lost if it failed.
The Chindits in Burma must have ranked as the toughest test of manpower.
Parachuted into one of the worst malarial jungles in the world, relying on air drops for supplies and fighting the Japanese with no hope of evacuation if injured. Rather them than me !
I call bullshit on your claim about the UK v Argentina.
Shall we start by dissecting air power in the Falklands war.
(UK) 28 Sea Harriers and 8 Harrier Gr3, with 5 Black Buck bombing missions comprising of 1 Vulcan per mission.
(Arg) 74 A-4 Skyhawk, 24 Dagger, 18 MirageIIIE, 5 Super Etendards, 6 Canberra and 114 Pucara, Aermacchi MB339A and T-34C Mentor.
I'm not including the 25 de mayo and her compliment of A4 Skyhawk in this list, nor the helicopter count of the UK forces which comprised mainly of supply/SAR/ASW helos. Very few were equipped for air to air/air to ground combat.
Shall we deconstruct further? I'm sure we will find more examples of numerically superior forces for the Argentine military as we go through each of the forces?
What were the Argentine land forces in 1982, including mainland forces?
How many uk forces invaded???. How many Rg troops defended the islands...you do some reading and you will find you are as you are well aware that you are wrong. Jajajaj
Always nice to have a good proofreader.......
My bad using VOR
Should, of course, have said LRIT....
Even an old man can learn something new every day....... Ain't life beautiful?
( 246) Islander1
You say:
“....The Seabourn S. is only 23 hours sailing away from Stanley now - eta 0900 local saturday 8th - only a gale of wind can prevent here call now- any comment?”
I say: …...........Any comment?
Why should I comment about something I commented at No. (196)?:
(“She will be at Puerto Estanley on Saturday morning....”)
My only worry now is how to walk inconspicuously through town (and Mr. Bloggs paranoia) when boarding her on Saturday afternoon.....
I can't make my mind though...... Should I wear my Afghani Pashmina Burqa or my Silky Filipino Maid Costume?
What do you “Think” would be most fitting?
You'll find it in the comic book section of any major Library.
“Great Argentine War Hero's” Is another great read if you've got 45 seconds to spare, along with that other underrated classic “Great Argentine Military battles”
It can be found along side those other classics
“Complaining gets you what you want” Which is a study of KFC's Foreign policy.
and
“The Ecomonic Triumph of KFC / TMBOA / Ol' Turkey Neck / The Harpy”
FOUND them, look under Fiction aka events that are not real but imaginary in nature!
Kinda like me saying that they don't teach the 100 years war in Argentina (they don't), it must mean it was a picayune event not worth the mention.
This is what happens when hubris becomes an inveterate trait... they trully can't distinguish the trees from the forest.
@255
Yes, you defeated the Spanish and who kicked you out? The civilian militia... who did not even consider themselves “Spanish” anymore. And btw, I have no clue where you got that month and half figure... you must be confusing Buenos Aires for Montevideo. You did hold Montevideo for some time, but when you tried to take Buenos Aires, you were routed in 48 hours... not by any proper Spanish troops, by the locals.
@256
Read the beginning of this post, don't blame your lack of education on us. It is you who is poorly instructed. As I've said the education of the average European is appalling.
I somehow knew you would bring Hannibal and the Alps... do you understand the Alps passes are barely half in elevation compared to the Andes... it is laughable to compare the scale of the Andes and the Alps, both in elevation and sheer difficulty to cut through. The Andes, especially by the Mendoza area (7,000 meter tall mountains), go straight up into the atmosphere.
@257
I am loving this...
This is like when the churchmen told Galileo “I see the sun going up over us and back down... so you are wrong! The sun goes around the Earth”. They conclude their ignorance of the reality must mean that the reality is their ignorance.
Bless you all, you keep proving my points about the anglo-saxon, and European in general, IQ and level of general culture. The scariest part is that you are geniuses next to the Americans.
I think the movie “Dumb and Dumber” was made in your honor, northern foreign-fiends.
a little tip when an loosing an argument just go back to your safety blanket of education and people intelligence. hitch I find remarkable when it's well documented the Argentina brainwash their young school children with lies. stick to the current discussion and hey Toby , no blanky
www.marinetraffic.com/ais/default.aspx?zoom=100&mmsi=311027100¢erx=-56.15708200¢ery=-35.05522200
www.seascanner.com/schiffsposition.php?schiff=Seabourn+Sojourn
As to our lack of education, Argentina's past history is irrelevant to Europe as is Europe's to Argentina. Being cloistered away and being a self proclaimed isolationist it is YOU who is indulging in
HUBRIS. Like many academics, your common sense is in inverse proportion to your intelligence.
You remind me of Caligula who decided that he was so superior to all other men that he must be a GOD. When do you take over the chancellorship of Argentina's leading university ?
I would like to read about this “remarkable ”feat of Argentinian arms if you could supply me with a reference.
Without knowing anything about this, I could not usefully comment.
Yes, I do know that the Andes are second only to the Himalayas in elevation - cartography is something we dumb Brits. know about although you will no doubt pull out some Argentinian who was actually the world's leader in this field.
Hannibal did this over 2000 years ago dragging elephants with him and tackling the foremost military power of the age.
Even you would have to reluctantly give some credit for this.
I await your probable verbose reply with interest.....not.''
I guess you both read a lot of propaganda tabloid from British trash media.
According with Arg. documentaries The Junta was already falling and was close to be kicked out before the FW started. Galtieri as a last attempt to gain some time invaded the islands without much planning.
As you can see the Argentine militaries were more afraid of the Argies at home than to start a war with OTAN.
From my point of view Argentine militaries help more Britain Army and the Islanders than any govt. from UK.
1-After the war the islanders gain more freedom and political status together with economic gain and British citizenship.
2-The UK military power was close to be downsized to half by Margaret Thatcher before the war so was in part saved by the Argie Junta.
3-According with your own words FI is part of UK so technically Argentina invaded Britain and got away with it. Because you little cowards didn’t have the guts to declare war to Argentina because you knew that you will be destroyed as your own record shows loosing 4 times in invasions attempts in Argies coasts.
4- To put in perspective how bad was the FI war for British Military a little statistic would help a lot.
The bad and no trained Arg civilian soldiers killed in 74 days more than 268 British soldiers (recognised by UK because seems to be more, according with uk owns military source) an average of 3.5 soldier per day.
While in Afghanistan after 11 years war were killed jut 438 British soldiers (according with BBC) what provides an average of 0,17 soldier per day.
So a 11 years conflict with Argentina at that rate will give a figure of 14.052,5 Mohammeds that will not see the sun again. And a in a conflict on mainland you will have to multiply that figure by 5 to be conservative because even grannies of 80 years old will shoot you from their balconies. Ha ha
So guys you better you keep doing what you are best at... Lest say talking and talking...
so many more miss-truths from your twisted perspective.
for one we did not need to invade Argentina - your troops surrendered.
how is life in your shanty town?
35 mph SW gale wind at Puerto Estanley with 46 mph strong gale gusts…….
“Think” will not be able to board the Seabourn Sojourn if this bloody Malvinas breeze continues through the day …;-)
PS:
Islander1:
Seems that you Shot the Albatross” at your comment (246 ;-) ....:
“.....Mind you, if it does blow a gale and she cannot disembark passengers I guess Think will claim that even God is on Christina,s side!”
I “Thought” that you Kelpers knew better than defying Nguenechén !!!
I am privileged to have the benefit of the thoughts of Argentina's most respected historian and would humbly give you my thoughts on your posting.
Yes,I could see from the newsreels at the time that everyone hated the military regime. People were shouting“ down with the Junta.”
3 We did not take it as a declaration of war, just a jumped up load of Hispanics trying it on.
Why should we invade Argentina - pointless but of course macho gestures rule your thoughts.
If it had been really serious, we could have reduced your country
to an ash tip, however, unlike you, we are a civilized peaceful nation. Tolerant of less fortunate of God's creatures.
Your “soldiers” did not kill 268 British soldiers, your air force accounted for most of our casualties.
Your “soldiers” were in most cases in fortified bunker positions.
Our “cowardly” troops had to come out in the open and attack which requires more guts than hiding. Your casualties could have been much more if our troops had been ordered not to fire on your people as they were scarpering back to Stanley after losing every battle in the mountains.
As to your 200 year old triumph in defeating British forces in a minor incident that would not be indicative of the current situation.
We have no desire or reason to “attack” your country by landing any forces on it. We could not do it.
As far as we are concerned, you are an annoying country at the bottom of the world whose government are hell bent on your ruin.
If that is your wish, so be it. I have no animosity towards the Argentinian people, they have enough on their plate.
I am always faintly amused at how recent immigrants to a country take credit for its past deeds when most probably their antecedents were still in the hated Europe.
I Think this may have a few holes in as a theory. 70,000 casualties in one day in the battle of the Somme, 1 day vs much much lower casualties in WW2 , were the Germans hyper effective in WW1??? Or perhaps , and shoot me down on this one..every conflict is different. a seaborn invasion against a well defended numerically superior force would expect reasonable high casualties, whereas a long drawn out counter insurgency say for instance in Afghanistan would by the nature of the conflict produce a much lower toll per day of casualties.
Good try, bet you wished you went to school now don't you, they teach you stuff jajajajaja
The bloody breeze is getting stronger……. Ain’t it?
What do you Kelpers reckon?
I would say 40 / 45 mph…..
And then, the poor passengers on the Seabourn Sojourn will not be able to visit Ushuaia either….
I don’t “Think” the Captain has the guts after his last “Anglo Prank” in town...
Once again you show your ignorance of military tactics and history.
As Santa Fe and Clyde15 have already alluded to, every military engagement is different, and has to be approached differently.
The Falklands War taught the WHOLE worlds militaries one important lesson. That is to have complete air superiority over your enemy, a lesson that was learned the hard way by the Royal Navy.
Which is why in recent conflicts the air defences are the 1st targets to be hit.
If the situation ever happened again, and Argentina somehow invaded the Falklands, the 1st thing the UK would do is bomb the sh!t out of your airforce and navy bases on the MAINLAND of Argentina. We would take out your anti-aircraft defences etc...
Then we would waltz into the Falklands and kick your sorry arses back to Argentina.
As for the 'declaring' war on Britain by invading the Falklands. Yes you did. But the mission for the UK was to remove the murderous Argentine invaders from our turf. The mission was successful.
Just what would've been gained by the UK invading Argentina? Nothing. Quite frankly you Argentinians seem to constantly get what you deserve, one corrupt government after another.
I will agree that the Falklands Invasion did change the mind of the Government about downsizing the RN, but winning the Falklands War showed the world that the UK was still a force to be reckoned with, and still is today.
We are one of the few countries in the world that can 'project' our military power beyond our own borders, when the need arises.
Argentina's attempt at projecting power beyond Argentina appears to have been impounded for non-payment of debts, or have broken down awaiting parts: which won't be supplied until your government pays for them upfront.
How embarrassing for the people of Argentina, and your military, to have such incompetent people running your country.
The Whining Walts have returned, I see...
www.arrse.co.uk/wiki/Walts
Well I didn't want to be brutally honest but if I must:
You “won” the German Blitz of Britain both because of Hitler's idiocy in changing tactics (had he stuck his guns to military targets and not wasted it in other areas), you would have been surely conquered (and faster yet had the USA not been lending you guns and Argentina supplying you food).
And the Armanda we all know that it wasn't the British navy that defeated the Spanish Army, it was a weather event that crippled the fleet. Had that not ocurred, you would have been comprehensibly defeated and Spain's flag would have flow in London, and you would have had a new King/Queen.
And of course the Italians conquered you as did the French/Normans, and the Scandinavians/Vikings.
You did win, as you pointed out, a minor skirmish against Argentina who's Navy stayed in port, whose army didn't participate but for some conscripts, and whose air force compared to yourse was fighting with one hand tied (in terms of technology and ammunition).
And your victories against Bronze Age tribes of course.
You wanna play the humiliation game? What I said is completely true when we take the folkloric embellishments that any nation gives to their battles.
The above is the true history of British military achievement.
I'll call bullshit on that statement too.
Let us start with The Battle of Britain.
Although it was an error to change to bombing civilian instead of military targets, the Luftwaffe were not hitting as many airfields as they thought.
Lots of aircraft were never kept at the airfield, instead laying up several miles away. eg RAF North Weald had a second airfield, discreetly hidden, near what is now a town( formerly a village in 1940) called Harlow. So bombing the airfields was not putting as many out of action as Goerring was led to believe. Many temporary ''airfields'' were set up as well to use as a distraction and divert Luftwaffe bombers to bomb empty fields.
Production of aircraft was more than keeping pace with losses.
The end result, even if they had stuck to bombing RAF airfields, would have been EXACTLY the same.
Had the High command realised what all those funny looking towers were, and how effective Radar was, they would have blown all them to bits instead, because it was radar that stopped us having to have as many planes to be effective. We simply didn't need to mount CAP patrols, thereby reducing the amount of aircraft needed, and giving more time to service and re arm them.
On a further point, the United States did not lend us anything, we paid for them, albeit on a long term deal which we finished paying rather recently.
Shall we deconstruct your other false assumptions in that post?
LOL what a joke
You did win, as you pointed out, a minor skirmish against Argentina who's Navy stayed in port, whose army didn't participate but for some conscripts, and whose air force compared to yourse was fighting with one hand tied (in terms of technology and ammunition).
Thatchers famous words were like music to my hears
SINK THE BELGRANO
mmmm now I am sure that was not sunk in any Argentine port tell the truth your navy RAN FOR PORT after the sinking.
You ever thought of a new job RE WRITING HISTORY you fool you have been sucking on kirchners T.ts far to long you have become contaminated.
One day you might actually be honest and that will surprise us all!
Hows this for walts
11 Argentine Police Arrested After Youth’s Killing at Party
The 11 police officers, all of whom belong to the Special Needs Unit in the Mendoza district of Godoy Cruz, are being held in jail awaiting questioning by judicial
www.laht.com/article.asp?ArticleId=502689&CategoryId=14093
Factual inaccuracies again.
There was NO British navy at the time of the Armada - not ARMANDA ! It was the English navy to whom the honour falls.
Whether the Spaniards could have disembarked their troops is a matter of conjecture.
The Romans partially conquered Britain but failed in the North.
They won some battles but not the war. Hadrian had to have a wall built to keep the Picts out. The 9th Legion was sent in to subdue the population and never came back out.
The Normans etc conquered YOU. Who do you think the British are ? We are a mongrel nation made up of Celts, Britons, Norse Angles,Saxons, Jutes and various other ethnic groups who immigrated here over the centuries.
The Argentine navy did not stay in port. They came out to mount a pincer attack on the British fleet and after the Belgrano was sunk, they turned tail and steamed back to port.
Your Army in the Falklands was made up of conscripts ?
I think the men of the 5th Marine Inf. Bat. /Ist Marine Artillery bat. and HQ heavy machine gun co. would take issue over that statement. These were supposed to be some of the best trained and toughest troops in the Argentinian Army.
The ARGENTINIAN AIR FORCE - do you exclude the Naval element ?
Equipped with Super Etandards and Mirage fighters - hardly down market equipment.
Our aircraft were fighting against an enemy who had superior numbers, the advantage of home ground airfields and airborne AEW in the form of Grumman Trackers. As to ammunition, I have no idea of the extent of your resources but ours had to be hauled 8000 miles across the ocean and kept aboard ships under attack.
Victories against bronze age tribes ?Who were they?
The French? The Indians ? Malays ?
What you said is not completely true but your version of the truth twisted to fit your prejudices.
“whose army didn't participate but for some conscripts”
At [ Lt Col ] Vaux's headquarters below, a mildly amused young royal marine guarded four unhappy argentine prisoners who had been seized by the SAS after a brief firefight. these men, it transpired, were from the emeny's special forces, the best that he could pit against the British. They looked as dejected and eager to escape from the war as the prisoners at Goose Green.
So I guess that makes you stupid AND a liar then............. Clown
And yet more Walts commenting about things they know nothing about....
I specially noted poster (279) “andy65” declaring...:
“Thatchers famous words were like music to my hears
SINK THE BELGRANO”
Personally, when I “Think” about things like the Sir Galahad and Tristram or a young Brit blown to pieces in Afghanistan, my stomach turns, my eyes get blurred and my contempt against the brainwashed Walts surfaces......
May be I can get the ball rolling on that one:-
“On the 26th April, HMS Splendid made a critical report to Northwood: She had sighted an Argentine task group composed of the enemy's two type 42 destroyers, together with Exocet frigates moving south along the coast at 10 knots.................”
Hey, Tito!! Still want to say they were in Port??
Clown
GOD BLESS THE GREAT BRITISH FALKLAND ISLANDS.
GOD BLESS LADY MARGARET THATCHER
www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPofI5AZi2k
Of course you “stand by what you said”
You are a Brainwashed Turnip, playing the Patriotic Walt Card, celebrating the dead of other Human Beings.....
How can I not be “Impresed” by your Wonderful Kind?
Whats so apparent with you is that you never address the truth the only “Brainwashed Turnips” are The Argentine people for listening to your beloved botox lipped leader the charming SS Hitler Cristina Kirchner and and remember we are not just British but GREAT BRITISH JAJAJA
GOD BLESS CHILE.
“GOD BLESS CHILE”...... thats it?
No more rejoicing and celebration over the British killing and maiming of other Human Beings.....?
“GOD BLESS CHILE”...... indeed!
What's up “Think” Projecting are we??
“You are a Brainwashed Turnip, playing the Patriotic Walt Card, celebrating the dead of other Human Beings.....”
I say “Takes a turnip to know a turnip..................”
287 Think
“Personally, when I “Think” about things like the Sir Galahad and Tristram or a young Brit blown to pieces in Afghanistan, my stomach turns, my eyes get blurred and my contempt against the brainwashed Walts surfaces......”
And on another post we were saying that the falkland Islanders were not “people” you forget your own arguments Think..... You are in danger of becoming one of your own turnips I “Think”
What's this? only interested in the futility of wasting human life when it suits you? I bet you were standing and cheering with the masses when those bombs fell......
“my stomach turns, my eyes get blurred”
And please, do not even pretend to have emotions....... you are fooling no one, we all know that the only thing you are sorry for about for the Falklands war is you are sorry that you didn't get away with it.
ARGENTINA ALWAYS THE VICTIM LOL
Easier to change historica facts, good at doing that! lessens the sense of shame.
Pathetic!!!!!!
I thought that it was a little bit beyond him. Curious, wouldn't you say that “Think” gets all misty eyed ( well, says he gets all misty eyed ) for the British dead and and injured at Bluff Cove, but spares not a thought for his country men killed or wounded at Goose green, or Two Sisters or pebble Island....... or indeed, as you so rightly point out “the genocide commited by Argentine governmants on it's own people”
Poor Think, at the last hurdle, Real human emotion appears to be too much for him.........
1) What I said in another thread was......:
”A bunch of British individuals, squatting some Near-Antipodal Islands in the South-Atlantic, on behalf of British geopolitical and economical interests, do not and never will constitute a “People”.
And.....:
”Not People but people…….
And….., mostly, a nice bunch of people them Kelpers are….
But not a People.
No Sir.
Not a People……”
No wonder that a Turnip like you can’t understand even his own language......:
”A People”, as in; ”A Nation”…..
”people” as in : ”Individual persons”…..
What a Turnip!
2) About my position about Argentinean recent history.......
I have made my position about the Argentinean Armed Farces very, very clear in discussions with South American Fascists on this very pages.
The MercoPress archive function can be utilized by anyone to acces any of my previous comments......
Besides......I would never degrade the memory of my comrades discusssing their fate with Brainwashed Insulting British Turnips like “andy65” or yourself...
Have a good life.........
You obviously don't understand the term “Walt” for all your bluster.
You misrepresent at every opportunity.
A Walt is someone that tells everyone they were in the Armed Forces, when they weren't, and try to make people believe that they are something that they are not in the hope of gaining some respect.
An example ofthis is Doveoverdover who erroneously claims to be ex-Royal Navy, and now he's telling everyone he's worked in the diplomatic corps too.
That is a Walt.
However, you don't have to be a military person to understand military tactics, but if you are military it gives you a unique understanding of what is or is not possible.
For instance, DanyBerger, thinks that the way to win a war is to throw large numbers of troops at the enemy. This type of tactic was tried in WW1 with tragic results for all parties. He also has no understanding of the logistics involved in supplying an army, and keeping it supplied until the objective is complete.
For instance, in the Falklands War, the British supply line was 8,000 miles. Because of this distance, every military expert in the world said that the British mission would fail. There was no way they could keep the troops supplied.
Argentina's supply line was only 400 miles long.
Yet it was the Argentine troops that were the ones who were not supplied, even though there were huge amounts of stores on the Falkland Islands at the time.
Because of that morale and fighting efficiency suffered, and the Argentine troops couldn't hold out against the British onslaught.
Now the British troops were resupplied, and despite having to walk across the Islands, fighting every step of the way their morale and fighting efficiency didn't wane, and they achieved their objective.
Perhaps you should try reading more, broaden your mind, and try putting forwards reasoned arguments instead of insulting people.
You may even gain a little respect from people if you did that.
1) You are a Walt....
2) You are a Turnip....
3) You don't understand a thing about military tactics or strategy...
4) I don't have the slightest intention of gaining any respect from the likes of you...
Well done Sir!
I Don't Think aka The Biggest Liar On MP relegated to doing EXACTLY what he accused you of without a shred of truth (as usual).
“1) You are a Walt....
2) You are a Turnip....
3) You don't understand a thing about military tactics or strategy...
4) I don't have the slightest intention of gaining any respect from (it’s FOR you prat) the likes of you...
Brought to his crumbling knees by his own petard. Brilliant. Chuckle, chuckle.
Military expert is he, mi culo! Ha, ha, ha. Just for the ‘Military Expert’ and the other argie idiots such a Dunny-Burger a petard was a small bomb in a metal can (usually bell shaped) which had a tendency to go off whilst being set – hence the term ‘hoisted by your own petard’.
I have cut and posted your post and The Liars pathetic repost into my ARGENTINE BOLLOCKS Word file. Perhaps I will use it in future to remind The Liar of his Waterloo, or closer to home, his ‘Malvinas’ moment when you kicked his arse for him.
May god bless you and here's hoping the air is smelling sweeter in BA tonight
If you had access to the UN telephone directory (or the NATO, EU, or OSCE for that matter) you would be able to see that the UK Delegations at each of these august bodies have MOD, both serving and civil service, personnel attached to them as advisers and desk officers. If you had any vision beyond the back of the man in the rank in front of you you would have known that officers in their latter years get all sorts of interesting postings. I was one of them and therefore cannot be outed.
A perfect example of MercoPress’s “Walts”…..
www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EU9Bp1GtCo
Do you Turnips catch my drift now?
I know that there are military attaché in diplomatic circles, I just doubt that you have ever been in the British military let alone had a draft to one of them.
You see DOD you are using army terminology, wheras if you were really in the RN you would have said rate instead of rank, and draft instead posting.
You see it's the attention to detail that outs you walts all the time.
oh.....because he knew a thing or two, he thought he knew it all..........
Careful, Think me old chum, if we didn't know you any better we would have thought that you were getting a little flustered there.
“I would never degrade the memory of my comrades discusssing their fate with Brainwashed Insulting British Turnips like “andy65” or yourself”
Who's says anything about dicussing them? I merely pointed out to friend “andy65” that you haven't even mentioned them.... the fact that you didn't speaks volumes, oh anyone can correct themselves AFTER the fact, as you did, but you see, in your original tirade, you didn't.
and then there is this gem of a quote:-
“I have made my position about the Argentinean Armed Farces very, very clear”
So you find the Argentine armed forces a JOKE do you? Then, continuing that line of reasoning.... You must think that anyone in the Argentine Armed Forces is a JOKE as well, stupid....a nutter.
Then you push the bullsh*t needle up to maximum IN THE NEXT SENTENCE with this classic one liner:-
“I would never degrade the memory of my comrades”
Hey!!! Turnip!!! You just did!!!!!!
as well as that thinly disguised attempt at moral outrage...laughable!! I love it!!!
Tell you what “Think” just leave all that human emotion stuff to us humans ok?
Oh and as for “Think's word of the day” Walt. It stands for
What
Are we
Learning
Today
Ask any Primary school kid, they will tell you............... Clown
If you were really British you wouldn't have a taste for apple pie!
You see it's the attention to detail that outs you Argie trolls all the time.
You see, you can't fool Artemis Fowl's LEPRcon.... They are geniuses!
I think that'd be me. I get off out of the deaths of soldiers in foreign countries that are injustly under occupation: any problem with it?
To my pleasure, news such as this never cease to appear on the media. It does seem that the Western occupation forces are under serious threat of defeat and withdrawal in Afghanistan.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20290934
Needless to say, this is not good for the deterrence that the UK hopes to retain against Argentina and Spain. Your military is weakening, and soon you'll see the consequences of this, not only in Afghanistan, but also in your “Overseas Territories”.
If I were you and I am glad i'm not,I would worry about that cess pit you live in,
Death Toll Rises in São Paulo Crime Wave
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@312 andy65, the remedial boy is from Brazil,and he doesnt like the British much :-)))))
Your posting nom-de-plume should be “never knew it in the first place.!
The forces in Afghanistan are trying to get out and leave the country in a state of democracy. You seem to have a special insight into the political ramifications of the ”popular”Taliban taking the country back into the middle ages. Yes, the Afghans want the forces out but they do not want the Taliban back.
This has nothing to do with a non-confrontation with a NATO ally.
Spain is raising the Gibraltar issue BECAUSE of internal matters with Catalonia, where their is a strong movement for independence
Our military will strengthen with the return of our forces from Afghanistan. More troops to garrison our overseas territories such as the Falklands and adjacent islands.
Any other words of wisdom you wish to share ?
On 30th November the Seabourn Sojurn (a British registered cruise liner) was ORDERED not to enter Falklands territorial waters by the Argentine coastguard.
The ships' captain ignored them and proceeded to Stanley. This represents an escalation of Argentine hostility towards the UK and the Falklanders.
Apparently the FO is complaining about this incident. I hope that next time they try this the RN guardship or RAF QRA flight are despatched to remind the Argentine vessel reponsible for such an order that they can't stop vessels going wherever they choose on an arbitary basis.
“Think” loves to try to play the moral high ground, but on this issue Argentina has none. It is clearly the agressor, as it was in 1982.
Like the rest of the Malvinistas he hates the fact that they lost in 1982 and were prevented from forcibly evicting the Falklanders from their homes at gunpoint (which was the whole point of the invasion when it comes down to it).
Argentina was able to defeat us, but snatched defeat from the jaws of victory by poor choices in strategy, tactics and timing.
He loves to try and dredge up the darker moments of UK history - fine lets go there again shall we “think”......
Don't forget Argentina has it's own share of skeletons in the cupboard....
So your bringing up the origin of my user name again.
I believe the last time you did that was on the thread about Argentina whining to the UNSC about the Falkland Islands and Britain 'militarising' the South Atlantic.
I put some well researched comments forwards, and you mocked me, then mocked my user name.
Then all my comment were proved true, and you went VERY quiet.
You don't like being wrong, do you think? You see you believe (erroneously) that you can never be wrong, so when you are proved wrong you act like a child and sulk. This is how you 'think'. “I am right, therefore everyone else is wrong.” Someone produces evidence that you are wrong. You ignore it because you 'think' that “I am right, therefore everyone else is wrong.”
You, like many Malvinistas on here, are a fanatic.
As Churchill once said, “A fanatic is someone who can't change his mind, and won't change the subject.”
You say:
“I put some well researched comments forwards”
I say:
What ???
Like which ones ???
The “best researched” comment you ever put forwards was telling Mr. DoveoverDover that he couldn't possibly be British........ because he likes Apple Pie !!!
Everything else you write are just your personal points of wiew, dully exagerated by a very childish mind.
That's why I focus on your “Artemis Fowl” username....
Any news on THE DISSAPEARD LATELY????
That selective memory of yours won't help you.
By the way, I never said DoD wasn't British because he liked apple pie, HE said he was as British as apple pie, which is incorrect. It is American's who use the apple pie anology, not the British.
You see DoD is an Argentine troll, and I'll give him credit for being more intelligent than the average troll.
BUT he makes mistakes that no native born and bred British person would.
By the way, yes I do put my point of view forwards, just like you do. But I research the facts behind my point of view before posting.
You just regurgitate the same old stuff, and when that doesn't work you start insulting people.
Out of the two of us, that would certainly make you the one with the childish mind.
Argentine will NEVER get the Falkland Islands unless the PEOPLE of the Falklands wish to become a part of Argentina.
Argentina is the aggressor, the would be coloniser, the dictator and the attempted murderer here.
You may get some of your sicophant 'friends' to mouth empty platitudes to you, but the rest of the world can see right through you.
Every year that goes by weakens even the erroneous claims to the Falklands that Argentina has made, whereas every year that goes by strengthens the position of the Falkland Islanders.
In fact the Falkland Islanders are now fighting Argentina's blatant LIES with the truth, and everyone can see that.
That is why you and your La Campora 'chums' are so desperate to try and rubbish anything said by the FIG, and try to pretend that the Universal Declaration on Human Rights somehow didn't include the people of the Falklands.
You are more and more desperate, and the world laughs at your pathetic government as they humilate your country time after time.
It won't be long now, Think, before the fate of the Libertad is known. My opinion is that it won't be a happy ending for Argentina. :)
Selective memory…..... Moi?
Let’s just have a look at your first postulate, boy…..:
You say:
”I never said DoD wasn't British because he liked apple pie
HE said he was as British as apple pie, which is incorrect.
It is American's who use the apple pie anology, not the British.
I say:
What did Mr. McDod ”** Really Say”?..........:
”(58) Doveoverdover
Everyone should pay their debts and apple pie tastes good too..... ”
en.mercopress.com/2012/11/17/ara-libertad-case-to-be-discussed-by-argentina-and-ghana-november-29-30
And what did you respond to Mr. McDod in the same thread?....:
“(65) LEPRecon
“Apple pie tastes good too.”
What a pe(r)culiar thing for a British person to say? A(n) Yank may say that but never a British person. One would think that you are an Argentine troll pretending to be British.
en.mercopress.com/2012/11/17/ara-libertad-case-to-be-discussed-by-argentina-and-ghana-november-29-30
Were you saying something about “selective memory”, boy?
And the rest of your postulates are ,at best, as stupid and childish as the above example….
Now we can carry on talking stupid looking at history and changing things to suit our own arguments but at the end of the day one thing and one thing only matters.
The Union Jack flutters beautifuly above Stanley as we talk and for all your leader the ever bemusing SS Hitler Crstina Kirchner trash talking on a daily bases I THINK even you would admit nothing will be changing any time soon infact not even in your life time, so stop having tantrums stop manipulating history and get use to it try spending your energy with the decent people of Argentina who are desperate to see the back of the botox queen and you never know the future might just hold somethging better for you though ........ I wouldn't hold your breath after all this is Argentina we are talkling about a country which in 30 years as not been able to elect a governmant or president that is not corupt.
Now if any of that is not fact prove me wrong
GOD BLESS LEPRecon who makes you look more stupid by every click of his mouse.
The only 'Walt' is you. Ok, include Dany, Marcos, Islas, Pro_, etc.
You do not have claim over the Falklands, nor can you definitively.
All your arguments using documents get shot down in flames quite easily.
Argentina has NO valid claim over the Falkland Islands.
If Argentina had such a compelling case as you and your ilk spout, the case would have been settled in the ICJ a long time ago.
But who is surprised that he changes his story, denies what he posted and then goes very quiet for a number of weeks. Pity it is not forever, perhaps I Don’t Think would like to join his mate Dead Man Walking on his way out of reality: OH, just spotted a flaw in my logic: they are BOTH already in their own little fantasy worlds.
Think is Governor of the Malvinas (wherever they may be) and DMW is ruling the world (whichever planet he is on).
We have to admit the surfeit of Malvanistas does bring joy to the world of comedy. Ha, ha, ha.
BTW I Don’t Think, I did enjoy that little video of the AG military on manoeuvres in the forest with their stick guns. Would that be 7.62 x 51 NATO or 5.56mm SS109 sticks they have? You should know being a ballistics expert, at least with balloons that is. Ha, ha, ha.
let's hope we never have to fight again , but next time if we do please don't run away , the Gurkhas were well peed off the never got to fight. Runaway !!!!!!!
the cruises that want to go to Malvinas can go directly to Malvinas, no problem with that.
If they want to go to Argentina, they can go to Arg ports, no problem with that. And in that case, you will have to accept our laws. Thats all.
Corupt thats your country Corupt thats the old botox queen a desperate old bird just like her lover here in London the x flight attendent of the backcrupt airline Aerolines Argentines Alicia Castro
It's quite official now.......
The Captain of the Seabour Sojourn has been informed that his ship is not welcomed in Ushuaia.
Bon voyage et bon chance, SS
As I posted elsewhere good news for the passengers and Punta Arenas
MORE NEWS TO FOLLOW
Ouch, that hurt didn't it you lantern-oil lamp British. Clean your oily faces once in a while, less acne that way. I've seen so many northern europeans that look like walking pizza advertisements. Disgusting.
both you and think have failed to address the point I mad in #322 and others.
You are therefore devalueless noisemakers, as I suspected.
So greasy Argentine is ok, but lantern-oil Brit isn't? Ah, I see... it's the dreaded British value system at work again.
If you don't like the dish, don't order the plate.
ps - I agree with your post at 322. Care to comment about that?
You have women? All we see is men, and men that talk like “castrati”.
LEANDRO PENNA
He dated a stripper that no Brit guy would touch perhaps he was atttracted to her millions rather like your Cristina attracted to your taxes dont you think?????
You still not commented on other peoples post that you seen to be strugling with
Probably another argie that wasn't good enough to cut it at home but anywhere else in the world ends up making more money than the locals. That happens a lot.
Why do you northern European losers come to Argentina for your “princess”? That Michel Bubble, The king of the Dutch, Matt Damon, Al Pacino... Ever heard of a rich argie going after a male looking northern Euroopean castrati? Hmmm... no.
Shit, didn't even a US senator travel 10000 kilometers to secretly date a HORRIBLE argie woman, that probably never dated in her life? And he even lied he said he was going for a “bike ride” in the mountains. HAHAHAHAHA.
Very telling nothern men travel 10k miles and risk their entire long life careers to find at least a half-decent looking female.
Heres a pic of leandro he looks lil gay to me perhaps he might be more suited for you-keep it at home and all that???? lol
www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/showbiz/tv/4369427/Katie-Price-says-she-is-happy-for-toyboy-Leandro-Penna-to-sex-it-up-on-Argentinian-Strictly-Bailando-Por-Un-Sueno.html
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_invasions_of_the_R%C3%ADo_de_la_Plata#First_invasion
Look it up, the British stayed for 46 days.
True, just as some men like women whose head looks like a truncated garden shrub. And with bones as thick as a Neanderthal... actually, that makes me wonder, given all the thick-boned northern women with size 43 feet... any connection there?
Something about chubby rich scions a la Hollywood movies that turns the British male libido on??
I have no clue who the Dutchess of Cambridge is, but have you taken an ogle at that Camilla? LOL, she represents you in “every” way. :)
Menem? He was an arab immigrant. We elect minorities to the presidency, we are not British where it's been 400 years of WASP rule and total discrimination of minorities from being president.
At least your American butch cousin evolved in that department. Still manly loooking women though.
May I also remind you that it is impossible for us to elect any minority from being president as we have a constitutional monarchy with an elected governmant and prime minister WE ARE NOT A REPUBLIC.
Finally may I also remind you we were one of the first countrys to elect a female leader who won an historic war against a vicious Argentine tyrant.
The Captain of the Seabour Sojourn has been informed that his ship is not welcomed in Ushuaia.
More money for the shipping company what with the passengers spending their dosh on onboard shopping and drinky poos,instead of going into the economy of the southern most shit hole in the world :-))))
Not too sure that the people of Ushuaia are devastated:
www.google.com.uy/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=ushuaia%20ban%20ships%20from%20docking&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&sqi=2&ved=0CCwQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fen.mercopress.com%2F2012%2F02%2F27%2Fport-of-ushuaia-refuses-entry-of-cruise-vessels-that-visited-the-falkland-islands&ei=LwDFULTzDpCo8gTup4GwDw&usg=AFQjCNGTtDftSP1dFz8Ysl-B0Rnv3NXlPA
The tourism industry are pissed off though:
www.google.com.uy/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=ushuaia%20ban%20ships%20from%20docking&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&sqi=2&ved=0CCYQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fen.mercopress.com%2F2012%2F03%2F06%2Fushuaia-tourism-industry-demand-retraction-on-ban-to-uk-flagged-cruises-or-coming-from-falklands&ei=LwDFULTzDpCo8gTup4GwDw&usg=AFQjCNEQq1wsO93XInNXRudU-kfvzwAUJA
But you are absolutely correct about TMBOA not giving a toss for anybody but herself, FatBoy and Thin(ugly)Girl, the last of the Nestor Ratpack.
“The Captain of the Seabour Sojourn has been informed that his ship is not welcomed in Ushuaia”.
Thus alienating the passengers on board who will tell their friends not to bother with Argentina. Understand Ushuaias employment is not exactly thriving, and this will help them with their desire to increase unemployment.
“Probably another argie that wasn't good enough to cut it at home but anywhere else in the world ends up making more money than the locals. That happens a lot. ”
Nozz,
you sound a lot like “Guzz” - he said that the only South Americans who left to live in EU, UK, or US, were “gusanos” who were not allowed to sponge off SA states (paraphrasing - I don't have the same INDEX of Slurs that the Trolls have).
You have remarkably the same responses and attitudes.
AS ALWAYS
ARGENTINA ALWAYS THE VICTIM
We did. In 1982.
Does this help?
www.nytimes.com/1982/10/27/world/war-in-falklands-cost-britain-1.19-billion.html
LONDON, Oct. 26— Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher told the House of Commons today that the Falkland war against Argentina cost Britain about $1.19 billion.
Answering a Commons question, Mrs. Thatcher said, ''the cost to the defense budget up to the end of September was an estimated 700 million,'' or $1.19 billion.
She said that $17 million had been allocated for rehabilitation work in the islands in the South Atlantic.
The cost was 255 of our best.
That's why you will never get your hands on them.
Make sure you tell the botox queen you are now OUTSIDE the G20 so no need to turn up at future meetingd and having to suffer humiliation by The British Prime Minister
Touche, but you know I agree with your side on that already.
Not difficult to understand why no one says “I'm going to the UK to raise my children”... appalling education system.
Just wonder how many people are killing themself to get into Argentina I mean aren't people killing to get out of this failed state.
hahahaha. Appaling level I said.
May I also remind you that The UK is far more respected than Argentina will ever be a counrty so corupt with more ongoing disputes in various organisations than any other country can't wait till our dear friend Miss Christline Lagarde pays a visit to Kirchner soon,like the idea she's going to Chile first also but there is no problems there thats more of a social call before going to meet the unruly school child Hitler Cristina
ARGENTINA ALWAYS THE VICTIM
Explain please - your English has gone tits up on this one.
How could we possibly compete with the world's number one education system in Argentina. Teaching gems like the Malvinas are ours.........now repeat that 100 times a day for at least 20 years. If you do that then it will become true.
If you are the outstanding product of this system---enough said.
Ikea Monkey: Macaque In Coat Seen In Buenes Aries
Maximo out doing Christmas Shopping
That's very funny!!
The Vice President of the Ushuaia Chamber of Commerce, Daniel Iriondo revealed “is not the best thing that has passed, and we see no good projection for 2013.” However, he said “understand the economic plight facing the country, as well as the province.”
said the representative of the area in FM Masters there are a number of important issues that were affecting the sector, such as inflation, currency exchange, prohibition of mooring British flagged vessels, and falling imports.
“We are poor and we are on track to be worse.”, “it is not that we do not have much profit, but we are taking losses.”
See pol-check.blogspot.co.uk/2012/11/the-falklands-and-nazism-malvinas-and.html
“Italian Fascism led popular organizations to an effective participation in national life, which had always been denied to the people. Before Mussolini's rise to power, the nation was on one hand and the worker on the other, and the latter had no involvement in the former. [...] In Germany happened exactly the same phenomenon, meaning, an organized state for a perfectly ordered community, for a perfectly ordered population as well: a community where the state was the tool of the nation, whose representation was, under my view, effective. I thought that this should be the future political form, meaning, the true people's democracy, the true social democracy” Juan Peron.
It's called : ”Copied and Pasted”, “Undated” & ”Out of Context Quotations”……:
”. .one may dislike Hitler's system and yet admire his patriotic achievement. If our country were defeated, I hope we should find a champion as indomitable to restore our courage and lead us back to our place among the Nations.”
(Winston Churchill......... about Adolf Hitler)
Or.....
”The ”Roman genius... the greatest lawgiver among men.”
(Winston Churchill...... about Benito Mussolini)
“The Argentines do not understand that the British electorate truly and deeply do not want to be involved in South American wars but are damned if they will tolerate naked aggression against their kinsmen. The British people would be happy to see an independent Falkland Islands that is guaranteed freedom from colonisation by Argentina, the guarantee being provided by the USA or other states”
www.winstonchurchill.org/learn/books-about/we-read-them-so-you-dont-have-to/the-fine-art-of-selective-quoting
”Here is the full passage (Step by Step, 1947 edition, 158). Draw your own conclusions:
To feel deep concern about the armed power of Germany is in no way derogatory to Germany. On the contrary, it is a tribute to the wonderful and terrible strength which Germany exerted in the Great War, when almost single-handed she fought nearly all the world and nearly beat them. Naturally, when a people who have shown such magnificent military qualities are arming night and day, its neighbours, who bear the scars of previous conflicts, must be anxious and ought to be vigilant. One may dislike Hitler’s system and yet admire his patriotic achievement. If our country were defeated I hope we should find a champion as indomitable to restore our courage and lead us back to our place among the nations. I have on more than one occasion made my appeal in public that the Führer of Germany should now become the Hitler of peace.
All of which shows yet again that you can use Churchill’s words, vacuumed like a gigantic Hoover and offered without ellipses by the faithful Martin Gilbert, to prove anything. You only have to preselect and edit the right ones. —RML ”
What was wrong with my quote ?
theredphoenixapl.org/2012/03/05/juan-peron-and-social-fascism-in-argentina/
The first line of my post .....:
*”Copied and Pasted”, “Undated” & ”Out of Context Quotations”*
Should be easy enough to understand .............. even for a turnip of your caliber....
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Whats wrong with my quote? asks turnip (376)
Well..... besides it being “Taken out of Context”, “Undated” and ”Copied and Pasted” with biased intentions.......it is ok.
Lets add some context and date it .....shall we?.....:
”In 1938 Perón was sent to many countries of Europe, to study them. At his return, he would explain that he had a positive impression about national syndicalism during the government of Benito Mussolini in Italy and Adolf Hitler in Germany. By that year, he thought that those countries would become Social Democracies.
His exact words were as follows:
Italian Fascism led popular organizations to an effective participation in national life, which had always been denied to the people. Before Mussolini's rise to power, the nation was on one hand and the worker on the other, and the latter had no involvement in the former. In Germany happened exactly the same phenomenon, meaning, an organized state for a perfectly ordered community, for a perfectly ordered population as well: a community where the state was the tool of the nation, whose representation was, under my view, effective. I thought that this should be the future political form, meaning, the true people's democracy, the true social democracy. — Juan Perón.
After the end of World War II and the rise of Perón to a popular leader, antiperonist politicians and authors would point that Perón once manifested support for Mussolini and Hitler, implying that such support involved the whole of their governments or the paths actually taken by Italy or Germany after 1938......
You catch my drift now?
Carnival Cruises- operators of Seabourn Sojourn announce removal of Ushuaia and Buenos Aires from cruise intinerary due to lack of port security guarantee, and insert Punta Areans and cruise end destination Montevideo instead..
Lets see if this is true or not.
Apparently there are cruise cancellations due to labour and political difficulties.
www.cronista.com/transportycargo/Cruceros-cancelan-escalas-en-Ushuaiapor-los-conflictos-gremiales-y-politicos-20121212-0005.html
Good link. The local union are still blockading ships that have been to the Islands which is strange because all their signs in the approach to the port talk about somewhere called the 'Malvinas'.
I think it's great in reality and will be of long term benefit to Montevideo as well as the Falklands.
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