Friday, December 7th 2012 - 17:43 UTC

Overseas Territories reaffirm self determination and call for de-listing from Decolonization Committee

The British Overseas Territories Joint Ministerial Council this week agreed a joint statement underscoring a shared commitment to self-determination. The Falklands were represented at the council by lawmakers Jan Cheek and Sharon Halford.

BOT Joint Ministerial Council meeting in London

The 10-page statement sets out priority issues and a comprehensive action plan for joint work in the coming year, ranging from promoting economic growth to ensuring environmental sustainability.

“We are committed to a modern relationship based on partnership and shared values,” the communiqué said.

“We share a commitment to the principle and right of self-determination.”

“The people of each Territory have the right to choose whether or not their Territory should remain a British Overseas Territory.”

“Any decision to sever the constitutional link between the UK and a Territory should be on the basis of the clear and constitutionally expressed wish of the people of the Territory.”

“We believe that the UN decolonisation C 24 committee should de-list Territories where this is their wish.”

This was the first meeting of the Joint Ministerial Council, which replaces the Overseas Territories Consultative Councils and brings together Premiers, Chief Ministers and other elected representatives from Britain’s Overseas Territories.

The Joint Ministerial Council will meet once a year at a mutually convenient time and will:

lead work to review and implement the strategy and commitments in the June 2012 White Paper The Overseas Territories: Security, Success and Sustainability;

provide a forum for the exchange of views on political and constitutional issues between the governments of the Overseas Territories and the UK Government;

promote the security and good governance of the Territories and their sustainable economic and social development; and

agree priorities, develop plans and review implementation.

The joint statement sets out priorities ranging from ensuring good governance in public affairs to pushing green initiatives and promoting healthy lifestyles.

The members of the council, which is chaired by Britain’s Minister for Overseas Territories Mark Simmonds also agreed to raise the international profile of the overseas territories.

In particular, the Council will work to build closer relationships with the EU and the Commonwealth.

“We encourage the EU to agree an ambitious Overseas Association Decision that provides real opportunities for enhancing trade and provides effective support for economic development and takes into account the specific interests of the UK’s Territories,” the joint statement said.

“We encourage the Commonwealth to continue to consider opportunities for the Territories to participate, where appropriate, in Commonwealth life, including with small island states, which face many similar challenges.”

Mark Simmonds, Minister for the Overseas Territories, said: “The White Paper sets out a very positive vision for the Overseas Territories.”

“This first meeting of the Joint Ministerial Council has helped us identify an ambitious list of priority areas for action, such as encouraging economic growth; protecting the environment and making government work better.”

“We will work closely with the Territories in the coming year to achieve what we have together set out to do.”

“Many of my Ministerial colleagues from across Government took part in the Council this week, demonstrating that the UK Government as a whole is committed to supporting the Territories.”

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1 ChrisR (#) Dec 07th, 2012 - 05:53 pm Report abuse
But do you think the nutters running C24 are going to take any notice?
2 GFace (#) Dec 07th, 2012 - 06:03 pm Report abuse
@1 Doubtful, such self-determination, and demonstrated in a plebiscite to boot, is a threat to their jobs, and therefore in their arrogance, to world peace. But everyone else will notice the vote ~and~ the chutzpah C24's Great Blue Father attitude, eh?
3 Steve-32-uk (#) Dec 07th, 2012 - 06:06 pm Report abuse
We all know the C24’s current members are bias and that the C24 has long outlived its original purpose. Their sole purpose should be to help its customers achieve self-determination, not turn them into other countries colonies! Its about time all the BOTs boycotted this RG run circus.

What the C24 should be doing...
‘The Special Committee on Decolonization (also known as the U.N. Special Committee of the 24 on Decolonization, the Committee of 24, or simply, the Decolonization Committee) was created in 1961 by the General Assembly of the United Nations with the purpose of monitoring implementation of the Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples and to make recommendations on its application.’
4 Pugol-H (#) Dec 07th, 2012 - 06:43 pm Report abuse
Another attack on the C24, this time by 2/3rds of the territories it’s supposed to be helping.

I suspect this plan to “build closer relationships with the EU and the Commonwealth”, will be far more effective than Argentina’s anti-referendum campaign.

Not to mention all the possible oil/gas deposits around all these islands, to help win friends.

If they can’t get the C24 to de-list them, they will probably withdraw from the C24 and collapse it.

Malvinistas take note, this group are the Falklanders strongest supporters, and as far as the UN is concerned whatever ends up being applied to these territories, will also include the Falklands.

The argument that Falklands are a, special, or otherwise different case, will simply not apply.

However it is ultimately resolved, whatever happens, Argentina will not be involved.
5 Steve-32-uk (#) Dec 07th, 2012 - 07:03 pm Report abuse
The corrupt C24 have 2 choices...

a) De-list all the BOT's, and cease to ease to exist the following year.


b) Do not de-list the BOT's cause a boycott of 10/16 territories and cease to exist the following year.

There's even a chance other territories on their list may copy the BOT's lead.

genius, I Love it.
6 briton (#) Dec 07th, 2012 - 07:04 pm Report abuse
The British government should now call for the disbandment of C24, or inform the UN that we no longer recognise this outdated ant british regime.
7 MistyThink (#) Dec 07th, 2012 - 07:15 pm Report abuse
This 10 page statement was written in very elastic
means that territory peoples have no chance to be free.
8 Joe Bloggs (#) Dec 07th, 2012 - 07:21 pm Report abuse
7 MistyThink

Let me guess. If we chose to be Argentine we could be free of a controlling colonial power?
9 MistyThink (#) Dec 07th, 2012 - 07:24 pm Report abuse
8 - J.B

Don't be Argentine , just be a full independent country representing in UN
will be enough.
10 Joe Bloggs (#) Dec 07th, 2012 - 07:28 pm Report abuse

We'd like to but Captain Birdseye won't let us.
11 MistyThink (#) Dec 07th, 2012 - 07:34 pm Report abuse
They have hawk eyes.
12 Troy Tempest (#) Dec 07th, 2012 - 07:36 pm Report abuse
@10 JB

“We'd like to but Captain Birdseye won't let us.”

I thought Captain “Custard” did want full independence for FI?

That way, they would be more vulnerable to being 'colonised' by a foreign power, nearby. Perhaps???
13 MistyThink (#) Dec 07th, 2012 - 07:44 pm Report abuse
This is confession that FI is only the part of UK.
14 Steve-32-uk (#) Dec 07th, 2012 - 07:45 pm Report abuse
@9 MistyThink

Full independence is the probably the long term future for the FI and it will shut Argentina up permanently. But it won't be happening any time soon.
15 Joe Bloggs (#) Dec 07th, 2012 - 07:48 pm Report abuse
12 Troy

Nah, he says he wants us to remain British so that the UK can do whatever they want with us. His whole persona is a scam though. Designed to give the impression of a Brit with some credibility (big fail) but who then fills us with doubt (big fail) about our security and freedom of choice. He's basically a fantasy of Think's to come along from time to time to try to rattle us (big fail).
16 MistyThink (#) Dec 07th, 2012 - 07:51 pm Report abuse
only awe !
17 Islas Malvinas (#) Dec 07th, 2012 - 07:54 pm Report abuse
@14 The FI still needs to figure out how to resolve the problem of the decreasing population and the birth rates. They´re such a small population that they need to go out to date people from somewhere else. :)
18 Joe Bloggs (#) Dec 07th, 2012 - 07:59 pm Report abuse
17 Islas Malvinas

Thanks for your concerns but we've got plenty of proposed strategies to rectify those issues and we're confident that they'll work. We tightly control immigration and we can open or close the gate as we choose and require. Plus, as the economy continues to prosper the number of Falkland Islanders who will return home will continue to increase. Do you know how many Falkland Islanders live in the UK, New Zealand and Australia alone?
19 Islas Malvinas (#) Dec 07th, 2012 - 08:04 pm Report abuse

“We tightly control immigration” (specialy when it comes to argentines)
“We can open or close the gate as we choose” (and to whom we choose)
“As the economy continues to prosper” (by exploiting argentine resources)

How many? No idea.
20 Steve-32-uk (#) Dec 07th, 2012 - 08:06 pm Report abuse
@17 Islas Malvinas

Agreed the FI population is too small for its size.
Solution to birth-rate issue = generous child benefits and free porn?
21 Islas Malvinas (#) Dec 07th, 2012 - 08:07 pm Report abuse
@20 That might help
22 Brit Bob (#) Dec 07th, 2012 - 08:09 pm Report abuse
@19 Who'd want to import 25% inflation and 102nd place in the World's Transparency Index:
23 Islas Malvinas (#) Dec 07th, 2012 - 08:10 pm Report abuse
@22 I wouldn´t
24 toooldtodieyoung (#) Dec 07th, 2012 - 08:14 pm Report abuse
19 Islas Malvinas

“As the economy continues to prosper” (by exploiting argentine resources)

Brainwashed anyone........................?
25 Islas Malvinas (#) Dec 07th, 2012 - 08:18 pm Report abuse
@24 You
26 redpoll (#) Dec 07th, 2012 - 08:27 pm Report abuse
Can any one give me a list of the BOTs which were present at the conference?
27 Conqueror (#) Dec 07th, 2012 - 08:37 pm Report abuse
@19 Destroy argieland. Who'd miss it? Destroy argies. Who'd miss them?

Wherever you are, cut argie heads off. There's nothing inside.
28 Steve-32-uk (#) Dec 07th, 2012 - 08:39 pm Report abuse
@26 redpoll

I would imagine all the BOT's had a representative present.

Why do you want to know?
29 redpoll (#) Dec 07th, 2012 - 08:50 pm Report abuse
Curiosity Steve. As the C24 is so keen on “Decolonizing ” the 49 Pitcairn Islanders (to what may I ask?) I just wondered if the Pitcairners sent 20% of thier population as reps to the conference. Oh and did Tristan da Cuhna go? Just trying to scotch our Rodin of Chubut who calls himself Think before he starts on that which no doubt he will
30 Pirate Love (#) Dec 07th, 2012 - 08:53 pm Report abuse
How ironic it is that the Decolonization Committee actually needs decolonizing itself, far too pro-colonialist and latam biased.
31 briton (#) Dec 07th, 2012 - 08:54 pm Report abuse
one is quite sure that if the islands ask for young ladies or gentlemen to go to the falklands,
they may well get a very good response,

and the envy of the argies would surley
32 Alexei (#) Dec 07th, 2012 - 09:01 pm Report abuse
Of course this is the essential difference between Malvinistas and normal humans. We're perfectly happy to see the Falkland Islanders as British, part of a British overseas territory or, if they'd prefer, we'd be happy if the Falkland Islanders declared their intention to become completely independent from the United Kingdom. If they were to decide that they'd prefer to become subsumed into the republic of Argentina, whilst we might consider this a suicidally ill-conceived decision, that would be their choice and we would respect it.

Despite Europe's current economic woes we still have literally millions of foreigners queuing up to get into our country, sadly despite it's vast (stolen) lands and limitless natural resources, the same can't be said for Argentina. Enough said.
33 MistyThink (#) Dec 07th, 2012 - 09:02 pm Report abuse

i am a BMW addict driver !

is Falklands advisable place to live for me ?
34 redpoll (#) Dec 07th, 2012 - 09:25 pm Report abuse
@28 To develope the argument and with all respect to our Chilean friends and thier luke warm support for Argentina over thier claim to the FI, havent they got a wee problem with an island 3,000 kilometers off thier west coast. Thier colony is called Easter Island, Isla de Pascua or Rapanui, call it as you will. Unlike the Falkland Islands there was and still is an indigenous population and some of them want independence. Knowing the Chileans they will of course put the matter to a referendum as in the FI. But in the meantime has this situation been brought to the notice of the C24 bunch of clowns?
35 Doveoverdover (#) Dec 07th, 2012 - 09:28 pm Report abuse
@10 and @12 Children, I do believe you are talking about me.

My preferences:

1. Integration into the UK so that we fellow citizens get a share of the wealth we earned by subsidising the possession of the islands with financial and human capital all these years. But the UK Government won't let us even with their debt and deficit.
2. If not then Independence so that the Community can experience what being responsible for themselves really means. But the UN won't let them because they lack the capacity even to ask themselves the Question (SG said so, did he not?).
3. If not then remain a drain on UK tax payers while the weak UK government fails to present the bills for the services they have provided and continue to provide at UK taxpayers expense. No wonder that's the expert crafted and self chosen Question.

Got it now?
36 Joe Bloggs (#) Dec 07th, 2012 - 09:37 pm Report abuse
19 Islas Malvinas


Like I said. Not a problem.
37 LEPRecon (#) Dec 07th, 2012 - 09:50 pm Report abuse
@35 - DOD

The UK has no right to the natural resources of the Falkland Islands, they belong to the Islanders and the Islanders alone, and quite rightly that is what the UK does, leaves the Islanders to develop their own resources for the benefit of the Islands.

The Falkland Islands are not the 'burden' that you claim them to be, nor are they a 'drain' on the UK's resources.

Poor DOD, pretending to be from the UK with your faux outrage of how 'much' things cost. Well the defence of the Falkland Islands costs less then 3% of the UK defence budget, and apparently is more than enough to frighten you Argentinians away.

The Falkland Islanders only owe the UK thanks for their liberation and continued protection from the aggressive, colonial and murderous expansionist ambitions of Argentina. And they have thanked the UK in spades.

They honour the memory of those that died to ensure their freedom, and tend their graves. That is more than thanks enough. If you had ever really served in the British Armed forces you would understand that.

Freedom is something that you can't buy with money, only with the blood of those who would sacrifice themselves for the cause, the liberty and protection of a civilian population from a murderous regime.

The Falklands can become independent anytime that they wish, but they don't wish to yet, and the UK will defend them for as long as they wish us too.

I know that doesn't fit in with the Argentine (especially the La Campora) way of doing things. The UK protects the Falkland Islanders because it is the right thing to do. If we had protected them better in the first place the people of the Falklands wouldn't have had to live in terror under a murderous, brutal regime.

Argentina has proved, and continues to prove that it can't be trusted. The moment we lowered our defences they would invade the Falklands.

We won't make that mistake again.
38 Joe Bloggs (#) Dec 07th, 2012 - 09:58 pm Report abuse
37 LEPRecon

Thanks. They were heart felt words and we are truly grateful to you and the rest of the UK for your unconditional support and empowerment. We really do appreciate everything the task force and all those who have followed in their footsteps have done for us and we will never forget it.

39 Brasileiro (#) Dec 07th, 2012 - 10:06 pm Report abuse
Self-determination with 3 thousands people in foreign territory? I call this: PIRATES!
40 Joe Bloggs (#) Dec 07th, 2012 - 10:08 pm Report abuse
39 Brasileiro

Call it what you like mate.
41 rynvh (#) Dec 07th, 2012 - 10:08 pm Report abuse
i see an offensive comment by an individual here i am not here to name people but please respect other people of other nationalities and the end point to this all is that we are all human beings regardless of colour creed or religious feelings.treat people with respect and you will get the same back
42 Doveoverdover (#) Dec 07th, 2012 - 10:08 pm Report abuse
@37 I served selflessly but the contract is ended. I now serve myself. Fortunately the Government and I have no doubt about UK's sovereignty over the Falkland Islands. You do so you are a self incriminating traitor.
43 Marcos Alejandro (#) Dec 07th, 2012 - 10:14 pm Report abuse
“Overseas British colonies reaffirm self determination and call for de-listing from Decolonization Committee”
Self determination Britain!

George Galloway Vs 4 callers

@9 minute ”you are English! you are British! but you live 8000 miles from Britain...
44 Joe Bloggs (#) Dec 07th, 2012 - 10:16 pm Report abuse
43 Marcos Alejandro

Thanks for your support.
45 Brasileiro (#) Dec 07th, 2012 - 10:17 pm Report abuse
When UK discovery the mistake, and get out with yours navies, maybe the argentinians from Puerto Argentino changed . We have all time in the world. IN PEACE!
46 redpoll (#) Dec 07th, 2012 - 10:22 pm Report abuse
Brasiliero. Your lot are worse than pirates. You murder your indigenous people who are supposedly Brazilians as well. Remember the fate of Chico Mendez and quite a few others too?
47 Joe Bloggs (#) Dec 07th, 2012 - 10:23 pm Report abuse
45 Brasileiro

There is no mistake but let's just say the UK navy leaves anyway. Maybe the Argentines will come NOT in peace. Sorry, we won't take that chance.

You're an Argie. Simple as that.
48 Britworker (#) Dec 07th, 2012 - 10:26 pm Report abuse
I think you will find its called democracy and Human Rights. You should read your history books mate and stop spouting propaganda.

You're unfamiliar with Argentines then?
49 Brasileiro (#) Dec 07th, 2012 - 10:27 pm Report abuse
I am South American, boy! I dont like Argentina, but i like SA. And, if one country from SA enter in war, i enter too. You are SA, or NO!
50 Joe Bloggs (#) Dec 07th, 2012 - 10:31 pm Report abuse
49 Brasileiro

All that talk of peace didn't last long.
51 Brasileiro (#) Dec 07th, 2012 - 10:34 pm Report abuse
And Malvinas go to self determination? I dont believe in peace too, no more after these acts!!
52 rynvh (#) Dec 07th, 2012 - 10:39 pm Report abuse
Spain had it's empire and look what happened ,the romans too, the egyptians too all things have there end history will repeat itself i am one person out of millions who are in this world and therefore let me state that the british empire which is tiny now is diminishing slowly and they are trying to keep hold of it by this new phrase called self determination.what does this mean that the colonist living in these colonies can have a right to say about the land which is the belonging of another soverign state.
53 Joe Bloggs (#) Dec 07th, 2012 - 10:40 pm Report abuse
51 Brasileiro

I am not trying to be rude but I do not understand what you tried to say. Try to say it in a different way.
54 Steve-32-uk (#) Dec 07th, 2012 - 10:43 pm Report abuse
@39 Brasileiro
I don't get your pirate comment.

The islanders have lived in the FI for 180 years, this is their home.
Explain to me how can you call them pirates, knowing that the Falkland Islands had no natives!

Answer me this...
Who do you think should live there???
55 Brasileiro (#) Dec 07th, 2012 - 10:44 pm Report abuse
Call briton, please!!!
56 Joe Bloggs (#) Dec 07th, 2012 - 10:47 pm Report abuse

57 Brasileiro (#) Dec 07th, 2012 - 10:52 pm Report abuse
He knows portuguese language. He can help me
58 Joe Bloggs (#) Dec 07th, 2012 - 10:54 pm Report abuse

Write it in Spanish. As long as you write it (do your best) in English as well, I won't remove the post.
59 Brasileiro (#) Dec 07th, 2012 - 10:59 pm Report abuse
i dont know castellano language, brother. I am from Brasil!!
60 Steve-32-uk (#) Dec 07th, 2012 - 11:03 pm Report abuse
@52 rynvh

You are mis-informed my friend.
Like I have pointed out previously the FI had no natives. Many nationalities make up today's Falkland Island population, they have their own Govt and in the future they will probably become an independent nation.

So please explain to me, who the Falkland Islands should belong too and why?

I guessing you think France or Spain or Argentina?
61 Islas Malvinas (#) Dec 07th, 2012 - 11:06 pm Report abuse
@43 Thank you for posting the video. It made my day
62 Joe Bloggs (#) Dec 07th, 2012 - 11:11 pm Report abuse

I am well aware that the language of Brazil is Portugese. I hoped you might have enough Spanish to get by but it seems not. Apparently not only us dumb Brits (Nostril the 2nd TiT) are mon-lingual.

Ate logo!
63 redpoll (#) Dec 07th, 2012 - 11:14 pm Report abuse
Well brasiliero write in portuguese. So long as you give a rough translation in English I think we will understand you and your posts wont be eliminated
64 Brasileiro (#) Dec 07th, 2012 - 11:16 pm Report abuse
I try. You dont see my comentaries? I try learn other language...english for example
65 Joe Bloggs (#) Dec 07th, 2012 - 11:21 pm Report abuse
61 and 43

Ah yes, George and the Respect Party. I think you'd do better to cling to Sean Penn.
66 stick up your junta (#) Dec 07th, 2012 - 11:24 pm Report abuse
i wouldnt take too much notice of George Galloway , he thinks he is a cat, along with the idea the Falklands belong to Argentina
Is George Galloway crazy?
67 Brasileiro (#) Dec 07th, 2012 - 11:42 pm Report abuse
Who knows learn? “Eu sou brasileiro e não falo outra língua que não seja a portuguesa, minha mãe me ensinou dessa forma e o meu pai é professor de português”........In english, how do it. Anybody?
68 Anbar (#) Dec 07th, 2012 - 11:46 pm Report abuse
Doveoverdover : “ I served selflessly but the contract is ended”

HMS Sock-Puppet is due for decommissioning?

Hip Hip Hoorah!
69 redpoll (#) Dec 08th, 2012 - 12:04 am Report abuse
@67 Sim brasiliero. I undertand that. But this is an English language forum so you will have to try in English I fear!
70 Anbar (#) Dec 08th, 2012 - 12:41 am Report abuse
“”“”i wouldnt take too much notice of George Galloway“”“”

You know an argument ahs run its course into the realms of absurdity the moment someone starts pulling out George-the-cat as a supporter.


“”“”“”“Spain had it's empire and look what happened ”“”“”“”“

yeah: Argentine happened and a few hundred thousands indigenous peoples got wiped off the face of the planet....

and your point was....?

You want to replicate their efforts?

Some people seem to believe that Colonialism can only be conducted by Europeans... Argentina cant be ”Colonialist“ as it isnt European...

smacks of ”Think-Logic” that does... self-deluded.
71 slattzzz (#) Dec 08th, 2012 - 04:49 am Report abuse
@26 The Territory leaders that attended this year's Joint Ministerial Council are: Hon Hubert Hughes, Chief Minister, Anguilla; Catherine Cranfield, Councillor, Ascension; Senator, The Hon Kim. N. Wilson, Attorney General, Bermuda; Dr Hon Orlando Smith OBE, Premier, the British Virgin Islands; Hon McKeeva Bush OBE JP, Premier, the Cayman Islands; Hon Jan Cheek, Member of the Legislative Assembly, the Falkland Islands; Hon Sharon Halford, Member of the Legislative Assembly, the Falkland Islands; Hon Fabian Picardo, Chief Minister, Gibraltar; Hon Reuben Meade, Premier, Montserrat; Simon Young, Deputy Mayor, Pitcairn; Derek Thomas, Councillor, St Helena; Chris Bates, UK Representative, Tristan da Cunha; Dr Hon. Rufus Ewing, Premier, Turks and Caicos Islands.
72 Marcos Alejandro (#) Dec 08th, 2012 - 06:15 am Report abuse
@61 Islas Malvinas(Argentinas)
@ 43 “Thank you for posting the video. It made my day”

You're welcome.
73 slattzzz (#) Dec 08th, 2012 - 06:21 am Report abuse
@73 well your easily pleased
74 Marcos Alejandro (#) Dec 08th, 2012 - 06:36 am Report abuse
@73 Do you normally talk to yourself?
75 slattzzz (#) Dec 08th, 2012 - 07:00 am Report abuse
@74 No slip of the finger, bet you do though, if you get excited about the two bit waste of oxygen that is George “the cat” Galloway, you must be surrounded by people desperate for a conversation with you NOT !!!!!
76 Marcos Alejandro (#) Dec 08th, 2012 - 07:20 am Report abuse
77 Steve-32-uk (#) Dec 08th, 2012 - 07:23 am Report abuse
@ Anbar

I'm still waiting for my apology!

In case you missed my post, follow the link, comment 47...
78 slattzzz (#) Dec 08th, 2012 - 08:11 am Report abuse
@76 so that's what you look like? just as I imagined actually
79 Steve-32-uk (#) Dec 08th, 2012 - 08:25 am Report abuse
'First meeting of new UK Overseas Territories' group ends'

''Overseas Territories Joint Ministerial Council - Communiqué'
80 stick up your junta (#) Dec 08th, 2012 - 09:23 am Report abuse
A cat with no respect, the worst kind
George Galloway has no respect for disability
81 lsolde (#) Dec 08th, 2012 - 09:49 am Report abuse
Your responses are getting weaker & weaker. Do you feel sick?
We are not crying, we are laughing(all the way to the bank!).
But your silly president is crying, whining, moaning & complaining to anyone who will listen!
Poor thing, like you malvinistas, you will never get our lslands.
ln one way, l feel sorry for you lot, with your undeveloped childish reasoning.
You must get over it, move on & realise that the Falkland lslands are NOT yours. (hint:- hate to break it to you, BUT they NEVER have been yours!)
so solly, so solly, no tickee, no laundry(yes, yes, l know!PI).
Your governments continually lie to you.
You'll get over it in time.
Hope this helps♥
82 LEPRecon (#) Dec 08th, 2012 - 11:38 am Report abuse
@38 - Joe

Just stating the truth of the matter and showing up DOD for the Argentine troll that he is.

Brasilero: You shouldn't believe the lies and propoganda coming out of Argentina regarding the Falkland Islands.

No civilians were expelled in 1833 only a mutinous murderous group of soldiers from the United Provinces of the River Plate. Argentina didn't exist unitl 1853. The difference between the year 1853 and 1833 is 20 years. So how can Argentina claim something from before their country existed?

In fact the civilian population that Argentina claims that the UK expelled remained behind and their ancestors live on the Islands today.

They are not held hostage by the UK military, and they have their own government, and will one day become an independent nation in their own right. The timeframe of that is completely up to the people of the Falklands, they will become fully independent when the time is right for them. That's self-determination.

Argentina says that the people of the Falklands aren't entitled to the same respect and human rights that everyone else on the planet is entitled to, and they continue to lie abut them, many of their lies contradict each other.

Their defence minister has even said that the moment the UK removes its military presence then they will invade.

You should look at the history how the civilian population on the Falklands were treated during the illegal occupation by Argentina in 1982.

- They denied the people the right to speak their own language
- They tried to force the school to teach the Argentine version of history
- They threatened to murder the whole population
- They planted anti-personnel mines randomly without marking their positons
- They booby-trapped the children's schools desks with explosives.

In other words the Argentines were acting as colonisers not liberators. Would you want to live under the rule of people who treated you like that? Who threatened to murder you and your family?

Answer honestly.
83 Pete Bog (#) Dec 08th, 2012 - 01:29 pm Report abuse
No, but C24 is going to look stupid if the British BOTs boycott it en mass, and the UK matches Argentina's continual harping to the UN about the Falklands with continual complaints illustrating how the C24 are not doing what they were set up for/continual and incessant requests to delist the BOTs, as according to the UN's stance on increasing autonomy, the Brits are following C24 remits whereas the C24 is actually a voice for Argentine and Spanish colonialism.
84 José Malvinero (#) Dec 08th, 2012 - 01:50 pm Report abuse
I do not see in that “pituca” room photography, any representative of the true original inhabitants of the island of Diego Garcia. Is it because they have not English names like in Malvinas.
85 Doveoverdover (#) Dec 08th, 2012 - 02:04 pm Report abuse
@83 Unfortunately, mass boycotting is unlikely for two reasons I can give you. The first is that the local politicians can't resist the annual junket to the seminar and NY - that route has been tried before by the FCO and they were undermined. The second is that a number of the OTs see Independence as the final destination and it helps their case to have the UN so conspicuously involved in their progression.
86 slattzzz (#) Dec 08th, 2012 - 02:25 pm Report abuse
That's because there are none, Diego Garcia had no permanent inhabitants when discovered by the Spanish explorer Diego García de Moguer in the 16th century and remained so until settled as a French colony in 1793. So seems they were implanted me old mate so trot on JM
87 Conqueror (#) Dec 08th, 2012 - 02:57 pm Report abuse
@9 Good idea. Plus mutual defence treaty with the UK. Falklanders can supply, and fly, their own 300 Typhoons!
@17 But no latinos. Nasty, greasy, cowardly, little toerags. Only “brave” in groups and when “fighting” someone smaller.
@19 Can't let scum in. Well, only to clear minefields by hand and clean latrines by tongue.
@35 Poor malvinista. 1. would be illegal. 2. would be stupid. 3. Lovely idea. As a UK taxpayer (you aren't) I am more than willing to give my £1 a year to assist my fellow British citizens on the Falkland Islands. In fact, I think we should increase it to £2 a year so that half can be put in a special “war fund”. It could be spent on additional Typhoons.
@37 Let us not forget that argieland still OWES us for 255 British servicemen and 3 Falkland Islanders. I wonder if we'll have “forgotten” in 260 years? Then there's the reparations for starting the war, for the 775 wounded and all the war crimes. Let's make that a thousand years!
@39 If you post your name and address and promise to swallow it, I'll send you a bayonet.
@41 How hypocritical can you get?
@42 Where? was it a cookhouse or a galley?
@43 Drivel. As usual.
@45 Foolish child.
@49 Good for you! You're going to have to die as well. Brazil is a nice BIG target.
@51 Just watch us bomb your “home”.
@52 Drivel.
@59 Why did you post that link? Sounded like someone had jumped on his balls!
@67 Try this:
@74 You answered didn't you?
@82 Why didn't you mention all the other argie war crimes? Like
- positioning artillery between civilian homes;
- imprisoning over a 100 civilians, including children, without food,
water or protection;
- painting the Red Cross symbol on military positions and vessels.
@84 Research, dear boy. No occupants until the French imported slaves!
88 LEPRecon (#) Dec 08th, 2012 - 04:12 pm Report abuse
@87 - Conquerer

“Why didn't you mention all the other argie war crimes?”

I would have but I was running out of characters.

I was trying to give Brasileiro a taste of what it must've been like for the Islanders under that brutal regime.

@85 - DOD

Yet again you spout rubbish. There are several ways an Overseas territory can be removed from the C24 decolonisation list.

- full integration with the administering country, with the consent of the people of that territory.
- becoming self-governing but keeping close ties with the administering country, with the consent of the people of that territory.
- becoming integrated with another country, with the consent of the people of that territory.
- becoming a fully independent country in their own right, with the consent of the people of that territory.

Nowhere does it state that another country can take over that territory UNLESS it has the consent of the people of that territory. That's called SELF-DETERMINATION.

The people of the Falklands appear to favour the second option in that list. That is remaining a self-governing Overseas Territory of Britain, with the option of becoming fully independent at some point in the future, should they wish to do so.

The vote in March will confirm THEIR wishes to the UN General Assembly. They will ask to be removed from the C24 list as they will have MET one of the possible outcomes for being removed off that list.

Now if the members of the C24 committee want to keep their cushy jobs, with generous expensive allowances, they'd better listen to what the PEOPLE of that territory want. If they don't then the committee's days are numbered. They will become obsolete, and be disbanded.
89 Marcos Alejandro (#) Dec 08th, 2012 - 04:58 pm Report abuse
Señora lsolde
Are you crying to get attention or is because all the bad news for the Brits in Malvinas lately?
Do you need some tissue?
Hope this helps♥
90 Doveoverdover (#) Dec 08th, 2012 - 05:05 pm Report abuse
@88 One line in your tirade undermines any credibility you might have.

Now if the members of the C24 committee want to keep their cushy jobs, with generous expensive allowances, they'd better listen to what the PEOPLE of that territory want. If they don't then the committee's days are numbered. They will become obsolete, and be disbanded.

The members are all diplomats from their national delegations and life would be unchanged for any of them. Only three or four civil servants from the political affairs dept have anything like a full time commitment and they would be moved elsewhere. You clearly know very little about the real world as it is lived in the UN.
91 redpoll (#) Dec 08th, 2012 - 05:40 pm Report abuse
@81 Isolde Think seems to have a serious problem about your gender. When addressing you in English you are feminine but when he switches to French you are masculine! Muddled thinking maybe?
92 emerald (#) Dec 08th, 2012 - 06:09 pm Report abuse
Dove Isolde dover. !
93 LEPRecon (#) Dec 08th, 2012 - 06:24 pm Report abuse
@90 -DOD

No, you seem not to understand how these things work.

I'm sure that many of them will still be working for their governments, but they'll lose the cushy flights to 'visit' territories on the list, the expense allowances that go with them, getting to fly 1st class and stay in 5 star hotels; all paid for by the UN.

When they are just working for their own countries, they'll still have expenses, but since they are all rather low level diplomats, I doubt those expenses will be as generous as those they enjoy whilst sitting at the C24 committe.

So no, my argument, as you put it, isn't undermined at all.
94 Doveoverdover (#) Dec 08th, 2012 - 06:42 pm Report abuse
@93 In my time in the UK Delegation my expenses were all paid to me by the UK under the “costs lie where they fall” mantra. As a UN staffer they were paid by the UN at New York rates. There aren't many places more expensive. Anyway, you don't have an argument. Decisions are made in Capitals not by front line diplomats.
95 Think (#) Dec 08th, 2012 - 07:50 pm Report abuse
(94) Mr. McDod

Soooo....... there’s where you developed your weakness for apple pie….
Little Pie Company, Hells Kitchen….. perhaps?
96 briton (#) Dec 08th, 2012 - 07:56 pm Report abuse
52 rynvh
Their is no British empire, we gave it back,
On the other hand CFK is still trying to create an overseas empire, ditto..

55 Brasileiro (
Call briton, please!!!
Are you calling [me] or my brother , Britain….

Why are all you Argies CFK supporters so jealous and envious of us,
Its not our fault you are like you are,
You voted for her, its your problem, so stop crying .

97 Doveoverdover (#) Dec 08th, 2012 - 08:17 pm Report abuse
@95 You're not the only one to have been places. That said, I've never been to the Venice at the time of Carnival, being a good Calvinist. But if I did, I'd make a point of dressing as Il Dottore Della Peste so my mask didn't slip.
98 toooldtodieyoung (#) Dec 08th, 2012 - 08:18 pm Report abuse
90 Doveoverdover

Oh for f**ks sake.....

“You clearly know very little about the real world as it is lived in the UN.”

....and the UN is the “real” world is it????


99 LEPRecon (#) Dec 08th, 2012 - 08:21 pm Report abuse
@94 - DOD

Yawn! More crap from the Argentine troll.
100 Think (#) Dec 08th, 2012 - 08:45 pm Report abuse
(97) Mr. McDod

Don't worry... It's more than evident that you have really “Been Places”.......not just been places...

Anyhow......Il Medico della Peste!
You really are a Kirk's man, aren't you ;-)
101 emerald (#) Dec 08th, 2012 - 09:51 pm Report abuse
* 91 *

102 Doveoverdover (#) Dec 08th, 2012 - 09:56 pm Report abuse
@101 Dove is old, e thinkd over. Rather sums it all up. You are brilliant as a diamond not green as an emerald, or cabbage perhaps. Not even a turnip. Well done! Keep it up.
103 emerald (#) Dec 08th, 2012 - 09:59 pm Report abuse
* 102 *

I am cucumber not cabbage .
104 Doveoverdover (#) Dec 08th, 2012 - 10:07 pm Report abuse
@103 If you say so. Keeping a cucumber up will be so much easier, as the novice nun in the vegetable patch was heard to say.
105 Forgetit87 (#) Dec 08th, 2012 - 11:24 pm Report abuse
Oh, sticky, is that the best you can do? Youtube links, and calling people “cats”, are no substitute for real arguments, you know? When will you finally grow the brain to craft your own arguments instead of limiting yourself, in every single of your posts, to simply link to some outside link?
106 Troy Tempest (#) Dec 09th, 2012 - 06:11 am Report abuse
@102 DDover

“@101 Dove is old, e thinkd over. Rather sums it all up. You are brilliant as a diamond not green as an emerald, or cabbage perhaps. Not even a turnip. Well done! Keep it up.”

Me 'Thinkus” you are he by your words.
107 lsolde (#) Dec 09th, 2012 - 11:43 am Report abuse
@91 redpoll,
Think has problems with lots of things.
He knows that he, himself is a squatter on lndian lands. People who were murdered by his countrymen's ancestors.
He also is smart enough to know that Argentina has no legal, historical or legitimate rights to the Falklands, yet he persists.
He is just hoping that the UK will just say “ok, Argentina, they're yours”. That just isn't going to happen.
@92 emerald,
Just what are you going on about, my good man/woman.
@94 Dod,
Why would an Argentine represent the UK at the UN?
Seems unlikely.
108 Cloudwarrior (#) Dec 09th, 2012 - 12:06 pm Report abuse
So the BOTs have reaffirm their current status but we all know that that won't stop the UN. You only have to look at the example of Tokelau to see how little they listen.

I find it interesting that some people claim that some or all of the BOTs want independence at some stage. On what is this claim based? Wishful thinking. There is no restriction on any BOT voting for independence.

Every Falkland Islander needs to make sure they vote next year. The closer the turnout is to 100%, the less the UN can ignore their wishes.

Argentina's continual harping on that the UK is failing to “negotiate” according to UN resolutions would be a moot point when the Falkland Islanders have abided by the UN Charter.
109 Conqueror (#) Dec 09th, 2012 - 03:21 pm Report abuse
@89 There's no “bad” news in “Malvinas”. Dorothy, Princess Ozma and Glinda the Good Witch all agree on that. Meanwhile, in the Falkland Islands, resistance to the Wicked Witch of the West continues to succeed.
@94 “In my time in the UK Delegation”. A fart would stand a better chance!
110 Pirat-Hunter (#) Dec 09th, 2012 - 03:53 pm Report abuse
If the British illegal aliens want to advocate shared values why not start by giving us Argentine the right to self determination without British illegal occupation. Bias double standards is a common value shared by all white people, if Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya and Syria terrorist occupation don't show it I guess we will find out when the white people nuke, gassed terrorized or killed all minorities, the women and all their children as they done for centuries. I advocate a nuclear defence program 100% made in Argentina to end the British illegal occupation of Islands Malvinas Argentina, we Argentine do not condone the taking of land by corporations like coca cola or Fakland holdings. Idiots do and here they are claiming land for a 200 years old corporate theft. All pirates must be hunted down as Australia and uk do. I think Argentina should set on fire or auction any pirate ships found in and around islas Malvinas Argentina and let the fakland holding pirates go complain to UN we will meet them there to ask them about the Brits and Australians stealing and burning boats. Do to the english as the english do to others, it was written in the bible have fun with this hated lot.
111 redpoll (#) Dec 09th, 2012 - 04:15 pm Report abuse
Isolde Think is a flyfisherman. The trout he catches are of course illegal immigirants from Europe to Argentina and so should all be shipped home along with him to Skandahovia
112 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 09th, 2012 - 05:09 pm Report abuse
Decolonization is an inalienable right, not an indefeasible one. You can't just say “I waive my right to being decolonized”... As long as those territories are not independent AND have a foreign monarch as the head of state (one or the other could perhaps change the status), they are colonies in the very definition of the word.
113 Captain Poppy (#) Dec 09th, 2012 - 05:44 pm Report abuse
toby your head is so far up you asshole when you copugh it's a fart. You can't force decolinization upon anyone.....if you can, please do so with Puerto Rico and I am tired of supporting them!!

If you feel the Falklands are your's and asslips argentina's.....take it with force or shut the fuck up.!!! At 15 year's old at the moment, you will be old, gray and more feeble and still be saying the Falklands are argentina's
114 Think (#) Dec 09th, 2012 - 05:59 pm Report abuse
(111) redpoll

Sorry to dissapoint you......., but my personal favourite and the one I catch most is the Native American Brook Trout.
No need of deportation.
115 Brit Bob (#) Dec 09th, 2012 - 06:13 pm Report abuse
@89 Marcos

Argentina 2012:

Very sad but true.
116 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 09th, 2012 - 06:22 pm Report abuse

Have I told you you are a retard? Actually, I take that back, complements are not my style here.

How long have you been here and you don't know my position on the Falklands? Man, I just absorb things by osmosis, but then again my IQ is in the stratosphere so I just sponge knowledge, and I learn everyone's positions just by default. That allows me to bring back comments by anyone here with facile legerity.

I understand you don't have my noetic prowess, but geez you would think after reading my position 50 times (at least), it would imprint. It would seem 20 minute old ducklings have more cortical elasticity than you.
117 Captain Poppy (#) Dec 09th, 2012 - 06:50 pm Report abuse
Of course you are smart........stratosphere is a great palce for your IQ.....was it a matchbox or a mailorder diploma for your formal education?
For the record toby, most intelligent people don't go around telling others how intelligent they
I will give you are a great are the troll tthat just keeps on giving. I bet you are paid well. You real flaw is that your maturity shows through more often than not in most all your posts. Take some advice from yulena, he is obvivously the smartest troll here.
118 slattzzz (#) Dec 09th, 2012 - 06:58 pm Report abuse
well fook me nostril anus / Guzz / think / whoever, calling people retards and resorts to his thesauras,what a dick your IQ is up your own arse and nowhere near the stratosphere in fact most people have forgotten more than you'll ever know. Then we have PH losing an arguement resorts to............................guess what.......................100% nuclear defence for rgenweener, burn the pirates and any vessels in and around the FALKLAND ISLANDS (there are no malvinas) and of course illegal confiscated fishing boats, all of course while he sits on his fat arse in CANADA and does sweet FA, change the fookin record you knobend, what next some random youtube clip or perhaps Iraq, Libya will be mentioned
119 briton (#) Dec 09th, 2012 - 07:29 pm Report abuse
They know they have nothing,
So insulting people on here is better than learning the truth we suppose.
Yuck yuck
120 Troy Tempest (#) Dec 09th, 2012 - 07:46 pm Report abuse
Meanwhile, the UK government and the governments of the Self-governing BOT's are creating effective strategies to counter the mis-information campaigns (state-propaganda) and political/economic harassment they are facing from countries like Argentina.

Kudos to the FCO and BOT's working away quietly while SA nations spit and fume loudly, without any dignity.
121 briton (#) Dec 09th, 2012 - 08:08 pm Report abuse
cockroaches normaly do..
122 slattzzz (#) Dec 09th, 2012 - 08:52 pm Report abuse
well don't THINK the trolls will be getting paid by turkey neck today
123 Pete Bog (#) Dec 09th, 2012 - 09:38 pm Report abuse
”Meanwhile, the UK government and the governments of the Self-governing BOT's are creating effective strategies to counter the mis-information campaigns (state-propaganda) and political/economic harassment they are facing from countries like Argentina.”

Which has been spurred into action by Argentina's repetition of distorted facts. As a result of the the world are hearing the truth about the FIs and the other BOTs.

Whilst the Argentines deny this, I would call this a massive own goal. The Argentines were safer whilst the MLA's /BOT representatives were quiet.

Now the cat's out of the bag.

I'm waiting for the brits to call the RGs bluff and with MLA's present meet with the Argentines and give them a face to face lesson on accurate history and self-determination referencing the history in all context 1820-1833 and highlight the UN Charter that the Argentines are unable to read or decipher.
124 slattzzz (#) Dec 09th, 2012 - 10:36 pm Report abuse
@116 do you wear a turtle neck jumper and have a centre parting to make you look like a penis, or does it come naturally

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