Tuesday, December 11th 2012 - 06:05 UTC

Supreme Court unanimously rejects Cristina Fernandez ‘extraordinary appeal’

The Argentine Supreme Court unanimously rejected on Monday the ‘per saltum’ filed by President Cristina Fernandez administration against the extension of the injunction decided by a federal court last week and which benefits the Clarin media group.

The seven Judges said a procedural error was committed in the filing of the request

In the ruling the seven Judges explained that their decision to reject per saltum as ‘inadmissible’ was based on a procedural error during the administration’s request.

The decision was arrived at late afternoon after debating the issue for several hours with the attendance of all members: Chief Justice Ricardo Lorenzetti, Elena Highton de Nolasco, Juan Carlos Maqueda, Enrique Petracchi, Carmen Argibay, Carlos Fayt and Eugenio Zaffaroni.

The judges considered that the administration should have made the request to the Federal Court first before reaching to Supreme Court, because there is no first instance sentence yet.

“The current recourse has not been presented by a first instance federal Judge. This determines its inadmissibility since it does not adjust to what is demanded by the lawmaker, which makes the extraordinary appeal per saltum unviable”.

The per saltum recourse was presented by the Cabinet’s chief office under responsibility of Juan Manuel Abal Medina.

However the resolution also recommends that the plaintiff tries “the extraordinary recourse path”, which means it must again file before the Appeals court and then the way to the Supreme Court could be opened.

The administration of Cristina Fernandez and the Clarin media group have been clashing since the passing of the Media Law which was tailored precisely to break-up the Clarin ‘monopoly’ and that the government accuses of conspiring and ill informing.

Under the law the media groups are limited in the number of licences they can hold and Clarin is well rooted in television, cable, radio and the printed media (over 240 licences) with an annual turnover of over 2 billion dollars.

Article 161 from the 2009 Media Law which limits the number of licences also contemplates that the government can forcibly auction or sell the permissions if by December 7 the terms of the bill are not complied.

Clarin challenged the constitutionality of the article and asked for an injunction while the issue is considered. The media group alleges that 161 violates private property and freedom of expression.

Although the Supreme Court had established D7 as the time limit to comply, since the constitutionality controversy has not been yet decided, Clarin on D6 asked for a further injunction which was granted.

The Argentine government reacted immediately by presenting the per saltum recourse, which in serious institutional cases allows a direct appeal to the Supreme Court. The per saltum bill was approved a few weeks ago by the government’s majority anticipating such a situation.

The Cristina Fernandez administration was seeking a speedier resolution of the stand-off with per saltum which urged the Supreme Court to “immediately suspend” and “declare void” the lower court’s ruling.

However it is not clear if the government was expecting the unanimous rejection of the Supreme Court of per saltum. What is certain is that the Clarin Media group probably has won another couple of months since in mid December begins the judicial recess in Argentina until mid January.
On Sunday during the celebration of ‘Democracy Day’ and ‘Human Rights Day’ President Cristina Fernández made a tough speech against a “corporate” judiciary, which does not respect the will of the people and responds to economic power and the big corporations.

According to the regulatory body AFCSA Clarin has control over 41% of broadcasting; 38% of open television and 59% of cable television. The maximum established by the Media Law is 35%.
 

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1 Troy Tempest (#) Dec 11th, 2012 - 06:43 am Report abuse
Well done, Judges!!

A great exhibition of integrity and Rule of Law.
2 toooldtodieyoung (#) Dec 11th, 2012 - 07:18 am Report abuse
Your CommentSupreme Court unanimously rejects Cristina Fernandez ‘extraordinary appeal’

Good call

Guess who will be branded as “Terrorists” next.....................?
3 LEPRecon (#) Dec 11th, 2012 - 08:09 am Report abuse
CFK I'd definitely losing her grip, as well as her mind.

Argentina might just have a future if the judiciary can keep itself seperate from the government. That is what makes democracy work and prevent dictatorship, having checks and balances to prevent one person from gaining ultimate power and assuming that the law doesn't apply to them. For that you need three seperate entities:

The executive - AKA the government that rules the country.
The senate or parliament - filled with elected representatives from the whole political spectrum whose job is to challenge the government on laws and policies it plans to enact.
The judiciary - those that ensure the law is applied equally to everyone without prejudice or favour.

Only when all these three arms of a country are working and completely free of interference can democracy truly exist.
4 KFC de Pollo (#) Dec 11th, 2012 - 08:16 am Report abuse
Whats funny is they keep on saying clarin has a monopoly but look at their licenses. They are not Argentine wide. in general they are basically local repeaters of their Buenos Aires channel with a few local programs thrown into the mix.

I get my tv from the company Telecentro and Clarin only has 2 channels on that. The vast majority of channels being rubbish yank channels. Where are they getting 59% from? is that the number of subscribers they have?

Maybe they should split their subscriber base in half into 2 different companies. That way they will comply?

As for 38% open that has to include all the repeater channels country wide i mentioned above as open air in BA only has 2 Clarin channels. TN their news and channel 13.

on digital tv they have 1 channel 13 es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Televisi%C3%B3n_Digital_Terrestre_en_Argentina

Where is this monopoly?
5 Nightingale (#) Dec 11th, 2012 - 08:35 am Report abuse
Gentlemen would you like to step into the aircraft, its making a short flight over the south atlantic.....
6 Teaboy2 (#) Dec 11th, 2012 - 08:44 am Report abuse
LMAO - Wonder what Senator Marcelo Fuentes has to say about this - Will he threaten the supreme court judges with impeachment too.

en.mercopress.com/2012/12/10/argentine-lawmaker-threatens-appeals-judges-with-impeachment

Oh wait... His whole impeachment argument was based on the appeal court judges, allegedly, not abiding by due court process, but that's exactly what CFK and her cronies have failed to do themselves here, isn't it! LOL
7 ElaineB (#) Dec 11th, 2012 - 08:49 am Report abuse
Correct me if I am wrong but didn't Nestor grant/support the licences Clarin was granted?
8 We got your Fragata (#) Dec 11th, 2012 - 08:53 am Report abuse
Cabinet Chief “Juan Manuel Abal Medina Jr.” son of terrorist Montonero EXILED in Mexico “Juan Abal Medina Sr.” who is the former husband of terrorist Montonero CURRENT minister of security “Nilda Garré”
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juan_Manuel_Abal_Medina
See how Argentina “the sewer of the south” operates??
9 toxictaxitrader2 (#) Dec 11th, 2012 - 09:13 am Report abuse
As I have said before,stop fussing,wait for the constitutional court to decide.
10 Welsh Wizard (#) Dec 11th, 2012 - 09:47 am Report abuse
Ha ha ha ha ha ha. As a lawyer it always makes me laugh when you come up against some incompetent idiot who can't read or process information to the extent that they end up shooting themselves in the foot and then complaining that they “didn't know that was how it worked”.

On another note, the last time she started talking about an institution not abiding by the will of the people they got nationalised...can you nationalise the judiciary...?
11 ptolemy (#) Dec 11th, 2012 - 10:35 am Report abuse
@9
I agree toxictaxitrader2, but it is CFK that can not wait. At the moment that is a problem and her arrogance does not lend her credibility. Tell her to wait.
12 Pirate Love (#) Dec 11th, 2012 - 11:55 am Report abuse
Good news for all argentines, wether they are pro Crustina or not.

maybe there is still hope for Argentina yet and to pull back from the brink of dictatorship before it too late. great victory for Democracy!
13 briton (#) Dec 11th, 2012 - 12:07 pm Report abuse
The magnificent seven Judges stand up to the CFK bandits,
Defending the innocents against the corrupt CFK,

Will she override them, over rule them, and run the system herself,
Or obey their decision,
Only time will tell, but sadly time is something CFK does not have.
.
14 andy65 (#) Dec 11th, 2012 - 12:50 pm Report abuse
BREAKING NEWS C130s being made ready for a festive flight over the South Atlantic for judges special one way ticket prices start at $20
15 Condorito (#) Dec 11th, 2012 - 01:23 pm Report abuse
Oh dear. These judges are clearly in the pockets of the oligarchs and/or pirate vulture imperialist baying for the destruction of Argentina because...because..er.. well just because.
16 Sergio Vega (#) Dec 11th, 2012 - 01:55 pm Report abuse
8@ And Nilda Garré is in partnership with a Chilean fugitive murderer terrorist Mr. Apablaza who was condemned by a Chilean Court as guilty of the murder of the democratically elected Senator Jaime Guzmán about 20 years ago and currently under political asylum by the Argentine Gvt......and probably soon will be on charge of the Pro-Terrorist Office into the Security Minister because his C.V. and high expertise.
17 Shed-time (#) Dec 11th, 2012 - 02:03 pm Report abuse
Forgive me if I'm wrong, but didn't KFC state to a Harvard audience that she was an expert lawyer and made all of her allegedly-stolen billions through being a crack advocate in courts representing the proletariat? (no sign of her having a law degree, bar exams or having practiced)

Bearing in mind how important this witch-hunt is to her, how did they mess up this apparently simple application to a court if anything she said was in any way factually correct?

I think we should be told.
18 Captain Poppy (#) Dec 11th, 2012 - 02:07 pm Report abuse
A safe assumption that the AFIP will have marching orders very soon to a number of judges.
19 Shed-time (#) Dec 11th, 2012 - 02:11 pm Report abuse
@18 I'm guessing the independent judiciary will continue to be branded terrorists until they are replaced with corrupt party stooges, just like in China.

'Mr. Clarin, the sentence of this court upon you is that you will be taken from this place to a lawful prison and taken to a place to be hanged by the neck until you be dead.”
20 Idlehands (#) Dec 11th, 2012 - 02:11 pm Report abuse
17 Shed-time

It's stuff like that which baffles me about Argentina and CFK in particular. If you'd become extremely wealthy as a practicing lawyer then it would be stupidly simple to prove whatever the truth is.

She doesn't seem to comprehend that people will check these things and call her a liar. Do such things simply not matter in Argentina??
21 yankeeboy (#) Dec 11th, 2012 - 02:13 pm Report abuse
18. I would bet the families are already under observation.

You know there are lots of kidnappings, assaults and accidents every day.
22 ElaineB (#) Dec 11th, 2012 - 02:14 pm Report abuse
The reason they cock-up is because CFKC never qualified as a lawyer, has sacked anyone with any ability around her and replaced them with sycophants. She screams, they jump and cobble together some last minute idea. Even when she does hire decent lawyers she ignores their advice because she thinks she knows better than anyone and has the power to do as she pleases.
23 Conqueror (#) Dec 11th, 2012 - 02:19 pm Report abuse
I'm amazed. I know it's only a “technicality”, but to see a group of judges in argieland say “No” to CFK is incredible. Still, it won't be for long. I presume she'll now be off to Congress to have them sacked.
24 Captain Poppy (#) Dec 11th, 2012 - 02:29 pm Report abuse
KFC is 56 and has been in politics for over 25 years. How successful and wealthy of a lawyer could she have LEGALLY become realistically in a 5 year period? I do not know how law is practiced in argentina, but her methods of stomping and screaming would have her in contempt of court on a regular. She is a bad lawyer, and inept leader and politician, a non-existent diplomat, yet a very effective thief.
25 Shed-time (#) Dec 11th, 2012 - 02:41 pm Report abuse
@22 You speak the truth.

@20 What baffles me is that no one has impeached her or Nestor for allegedly putting $530million into a personal wealth fund, that we presume she or her tubby son owns.
26 Simon68 (#) Dec 11th, 2012 - 02:57 pm Report abuse
This is the first decision that I predicted from the Supreme Court, and the next will be upholding the injunction until such a time that Judge Alonso sends down a decision on the main question; the constitutionality, or no, of articles 45 and 161 of the Federal Media Law.

My prediction on this main question is that the Court will find articles 45 and 161 constitutional and Clarín Group will eventually have to divest the unallowed licences.

I also predict that when Clarín divests itself of those licences, life will go on as usual in Argentina, still 25-30% inflation, still increasing street crime, still increasing corruption, still increasing division between Argentines, still increasing levels of poverty, still increasing unemployment, etc. So the government will have expended vast amounts of effort and treasure for absolutely no gain, because Clarín will still be the biggest selling newspaper in Argentina and Jorge Lanata will still be the op-ed show with the highest rating!!!!!
27 Shed-time (#) Dec 11th, 2012 - 02:59 pm Report abuse
@26 Is he the Numa-numa guy having grown a beard?
28 yankeeboy (#) Dec 11th, 2012 - 03:03 pm Report abuse
Clarin just needs to tie this up in court while the country's economy falls apart and Chrissy is flown out by helicopter to her beach house in Venezuela.
and that's only if she and maxi are allowed to leave.

I have a feeling they will be in that nice new house he bought under house arrest for a long long time. If they survive that is....
29 ElaineB (#) Dec 11th, 2012 - 03:05 pm Report abuse
The CFKC gang have already started to smear Lorenzetti. They are claiming he only ruled against CFKC because he wants to be President. But so what! Every single Argentine could have aspirations to be President because in a democracy that should be possible. It is not a sin to want be President.
30 Pete Bog (#) Dec 11th, 2012 - 03:13 pm Report abuse
CFK's dream of a Nazi dictatorship on hold. Good news for Argentina.
31 Shed-time (#) Dec 11th, 2012 - 03:20 pm Report abuse
It's amazing how their glorious leader's manifestly retarded ability to simply not fulfill the requirements of a law that they themselves created is enough to have them blame everyone else. This is as an alternative to apportioning any blame to the person to who oversaw the submission of the claim (KFC).

This is a textbook example of cultish behaviour.
32 Captain Poppy (#) Dec 11th, 2012 - 03:20 pm Report abuse
We all know that is not how democracy works in argentina. The audacity of someone aspiring to be preseident besides the nazi.....

Elaine....what does the second c in cfkc stand for? I have my own thoughts and probably incorrect.
33 yankeeboy (#) Dec 11th, 2012 - 03:23 pm Report abuse
Well the “basic food basket” went up 9% THIS MONTH and CFK wants the unions to accept a 20% yoy raise.
How much purchasing power are they losing?

Hmm I'm pretty sure I predicted this a long time ago, salaries will NEVER be able to be maintained ABOVE the true inflation rate, at some point everyone jsut runs out of money.
Looks like it's this year
Let's see if the Unions obey
I bet they don't
Another nice aside, Provinces are as broke as they were in 2003.
Patacones para todos
13th salary in Patacones methinks...
34 ElaineB (#) Dec 11th, 2012 - 03:26 pm Report abuse
I bet it is not what you are thinking, lol. It stands for Chavez because she takes direction from him on a daily basis and is modelling Argentina on Venezuela. At least she said she spoke with Chavez daily in the past, he might be preoccupied now.
35 Shed-time (#) Dec 11th, 2012 - 03:28 pm Report abuse
@33 Apparently Viagra will make your food basket rise at least 7% more, and will give you a 45% rise in your yoy, which always makes your wives and medical professionals happy.
36 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 11th, 2012 - 03:34 pm Report abuse
@21

news.yahoo.com/5-dead-calif-indian-reservation-shootings-054737863.html

I think all you have left is a mass shooting between dogs and cats at a vet clinic and you have all locations covered. Ahead of time, earnest congratulations.

and btw... this shooting got ZERO coverage in the international US channels. Five people with their heads splattered at least makes the B-side news even in the USA. I've been reading that this is a great example of the institutational racism in the USA about indian reservations... where there are huge problems of rampant poverty, alcohol, youth unemployment, now this... and no one cares.
37 yankeeboy (#) Dec 11th, 2012 - 03:41 pm Report abuse
1st obviously if there is a yohoo link there is converge..
2nd
You are right, I don't care anything about Indian reservations. After 150 yrs if those lazy drunks can't assimilate with the rest of the USA it is their own problem.
If people want to wallow in their filth it is their business.
I feel the same about Argentinians/Venezuelans/Bolivians/Ecuadorians.
38 Captain Poppy (#) Dec 11th, 2012 - 03:43 pm Report abuse
Yup....not what I was thinking ut it makes sense. I hope Venezuela gets a new election.
It's going to be interesting how this supreme court drama unfolds.

toby in case you have not noticed, this is a south american news blog.......shall I point you to a news blog for the USA?
39 Shed-time (#) Dec 11th, 2012 - 03:48 pm Report abuse
@38 I was going to say, that SA-Toby's ability to diverge off topic has gone downhill somewhat. I didn't even feel tempted to respond, instead choosing to pity him for his lack of skills.
40 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 11th, 2012 - 03:48 pm Report abuse
@37

They have to assimilate?? But you are in their land?

Where are all the Brits condeming Yankeeboy's comments?

Caught you all again in glaring hypocrisy huh?? HUH????? hahahaha. Loutish wanks.
41 Shed-time (#) Dec 11th, 2012 - 03:50 pm Report abuse
@40 gosh, that one was even more lame. back to the la campora madrassa for you, methinks.
42 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 11th, 2012 - 03:54 pm Report abuse
Saying the sky is orange a trillion times won't make it orange shag-time.
43 Welsh Wizard (#) Dec 11th, 2012 - 03:58 pm Report abuse
@24

Nestor and CFK used to work for the lenders in real estate default situations foreclosing on property. Obviously knowing exactly who is and who isn't going to be able to pay their mortgage puts you in a commercially privileged position. They made a lot from this. In the UK you wouldn't be allowed to do this as you would be struck-off...
44 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 11th, 2012 - 04:00 pm Report abuse
@43

A Brit talking about real-estate scams? Precious meter just exploded.
45 Welsh Wizard (#) Dec 11th, 2012 - 04:01 pm Report abuse
So you admit that theirs was a scan too. Cheers.
46 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 11th, 2012 - 04:08 pm Report abuse
Well I'm sure they took advantage of their knowledge I'm no fool. Difference is they didn't bring almost the entire world economy (except South America), to the refuse hole by doing it.
47 Welsh Wizard (#) Dec 11th, 2012 - 04:11 pm Report abuse
@46 That, troll, is a different matter. I was just telling people what they used to do.

Q: Do you think that Judiciary were right to reject this appeal?
48 yankeeboy (#) Dec 11th, 2012 - 04:12 pm Report abuse
The bulk of her “reported” fortune came from crony land deals. It is easy to make a fortune if you buy lots of land worth $750/hectare for $1.

Ahh the glories of being a claudillo in a Province.

I have no fear this will be the beginning of the corruption case once she is out of power.
49 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 11th, 2012 - 04:14 pm Report abuse
I do not comment on ongoing juristic ligitation.
50 Welsh Wizard (#) Dec 11th, 2012 - 04:19 pm Report abuse
Fair enough, I understand. You're worried about an AFIP visit too.
51 Captain Poppy (#) Dec 11th, 2012 - 04:35 pm Report abuse
#42 saying cuntina kirchner is not a nazi dictator a trillion times will not make her democratic.

We will have to hold toby to his statement in #49 post. He must be practicing to be a nazi politician.
52 Shed-time (#) Dec 11th, 2012 - 04:54 pm Report abuse
Are we back on track talking about KFC's impending assault on the independence of the independence of the judiciary? Or are we all still talking about dry-humping old ladies or whatever Toby has decided will stop us talking about the upcoming Fourth Reich.

And tobias, the exact quote by goebells was as follows: “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”

Pretty much sums up: a) Argentina talking about owning the falklands; b) Argentina talking about economic growth;.... n) Argentina calling the judiciary pirates.... ad nauseum
53 andy65 (#) Dec 11th, 2012 - 06:11 pm Report abuse
@Nostrolldamus The 2nd You must be one miserable son of a rattlesnake trying to defend the un defendable on a daily bases,are you screwing Crissy or something or perhaps even Maximo???
54 Shed-time (#) Dec 11th, 2012 - 06:14 pm Report abuse
@53 I think the technical term is that he is maximo's pet pony. He sometimes let's him canter around the garden of his $300million house, but he gets told by his master to sit at the computer in naught but his gimp-mask trying to take everyone off topic, usually onto some rant about the USA.
55 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 11th, 2012 - 06:18 pm Report abuse
I expect you two Brutish to show th world how I am defending the undefensible (first, what that entails, second where did I do this).

If you can't, I expect both of you to genuflect for 45 minutes if I approach within 100 thousand kilometers of your position.
56 andy65 (#) Dec 11th, 2012 - 06:19 pm Report abuse
@54 Old Nostolldamus think's we are obsessed with Maximo but as I have politely told him it's not that we are obsessed by him but that Argentines are embarrsed by him at such a disgusting looking obese fool
57 GFace (#) Dec 11th, 2012 - 06:20 pm Report abuse
@52. Well I keep asking ~why~ does this have to be done per saltum. This is a press freedom issue and it's rather transparent that the jackrabbits that the administration is trying to “leap” past are the pending financial deadlines so that “bad copy” is somewhat/somehow minimized by selling the quasi-nationalized resources to allies. I can't see how the bad press can be minimized by reducing Clarin holdings to this utopian 35% where somehow they will be “broken” and she will control the domestic press narrative when these problems are clearly of the administration's making. The move on Clarin was pretty artless given that they were hunkydory with the Kirchners' when they handed out the licenses. This fit with pushing it through while they are insisting on their own right to kick the cans down the road with international rulings against the “vulture” funds just makes the administration look even worse.
58 andy65 (#) Dec 11th, 2012 - 06:23 pm Report abuse
@Nostrolldamus The 2nd In a nut shell my friend you just talk such bollocks
59 Captain Poppy (#) Dec 11th, 2012 - 06:41 pm Report abuse
Andy someone needs to burn his thesaurus....maybe his mom will take it away from him.
60 andy65 (#) Dec 11th, 2012 - 06:45 pm Report abuse
@Captain Poppy Yeah this piece S... hates Europeans and denys Argentines are European immagrants LOL Not sure where those Spanish pirates were dipping there wicks back then.
61 CJvR (#) Dec 11th, 2012 - 07:15 pm Report abuse
Should be interesting to follow the dismantling of the Argie legal system. If KFC do manage to pull it off she might well end up sinking Argentina even more thoroughly than the generals.
62 andy65 (#) Dec 11th, 2012 - 07:38 pm Report abuse
She's got a bolt hole straight onto Tango1 to Ecuador who's granting asylum to all the worlds despots
63 Pugol-H (#) Dec 11th, 2012 - 07:39 pm Report abuse
Yet another battle, on yet another front, not going well for this administration.

The difference here being this is purely an internal matter, no foreign pirates, vulture funds or alien trade organisations to blame and vilify.

But that doesn’t seem to matter to some Argentinian politicians, already accusing their own system (and as Lawmakers they are far more responsible for it than most) of an “uprising” and being “colonised”, “disrespecting the will of the Argentinian people”.

Familiar enough language to us extranjeros when CFK does not get her way.

The ease with which this vitriol is transferred (lock, stock and terminology) from one issue to another, can only have come from practice.
64 andy65 (#) Dec 11th, 2012 - 07:52 pm Report abuse
It's up to Argentines to kick her out,not sure why they gave this vixan a second term,by all accounts every president in the past 30 years as been corupts tells you alot about Argentina as a country don't you think.
65 yankeeboy (#) Dec 11th, 2012 - 07:59 pm Report abuse
I love it! “will of the people” my foot!
If “the people” didn't read or watch Clarin's TV/Newspapers or use their internet they would have been out of business long ago.
What a crock.
CFk has not thought“of the people” in a very long time. Her and Maxi's bank account grows by leaps and bounds while the majority of the country is getting poorer by the day.

I really wonder how long it will take these poor saps to wake up and realize they've been fleeced?

It is amazing to me how these 3rd world dictators stay in power so long.
66 andy65 (#) Dec 11th, 2012 - 08:10 pm Report abuse
@yankeeboy Argentines will never wake up they have been fleesed by every president since the birth of there “New Democrecy” in the 80s Menem,Nester the nazi and now his chemically enhanced wife SS Crissy.Am I right in saying she would like a 3rd term also?
67 Ayayay (#) Dec 11th, 2012 - 08:15 pm Report abuse
Looks like that Clarin thing is now censored by the Arg gov for at at least some gov employees www.reddit.com/r/argentina/comments/14o624/trabajo_en_ypf_y_desde_ayer_no_puedo_entrar_a_la/
68 yankeeboy (#) Dec 11th, 2012 - 08:29 pm Report abuse
67. If that is true they are only a few steps behind N Korea.

sad stupid people
69 GFace (#) Dec 11th, 2012 - 08:41 pm Report abuse
@68, but at least North Korea's national airline manages most of its own metal on international flights rather than relying on tenuous memberships in Skyteam, codeshares and rented metal. (And that comes from Camporista Think, himself, IIRC.) Of course, who would want to confiscate Koryo equipment other than the most thril-seeking of repo-men and -women (and that's just the landing, we're not even touching the inflight meal!)
70 andy65 (#) Dec 11th, 2012 - 09:09 pm Report abuse
Another Argentina with animal looks just like Crissy Kirchner

www.google.co.uk/imgres?hl=en&sa=X&tbo=d&biw=1009&bih=641&tbm=isch&tbnid=V-i1Yu8jzNzAdM:&imgrefurl=www.boxofficefootball.com/will-man-utd-win-premier-league-aguero-says-neigh/&docid=Iy2-pa8uaXpa3M&imgurl=http://www.boxofficefootball.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Sergio-Aguero-lookalike.jpg&w=605&h=441&ei=l6DHUNmIK-nM0QWJ4IDYCA&zoom=1&iact=rc&dur=1&sig=115900236194518035249&page=4&tbnh=140&tbnw=237&start=60&ndsp=20&ved=1t:429,r:68,s:0,i:359&tx=73&ty=76
71 THEMan (#) Dec 11th, 2012 - 11:39 pm Report abuse
@55 Nostro Tobias TTT Arifu Gobakuwi Multiple Nick Man. Love it when after being off MercoPress for about 3weeks, I come back to see you spouting your usual bollocks about British hypocrisy. Do me a favour, and just leave the site alone. Trust me on this one Tobias, you'll never want to come back onto this as much since you can do other, more meaningful activities.

Either that or Corpis Die for you boyo ;)
72 Anbar (#) Dec 11th, 2012 - 11:48 pm Report abuse
This forum never faisl to amaze me.

Just when I think the Argentine Sock Puppet Association cannot stoop any lower, or appear any more desperate, I log on and find that they have done just so!

Having said that: this story is a bit of non-story isnt it? Its not going to make a bit of a difference, she will get what she wants, all this marlarky is just window dressing to give the impression of independence to the judicial system: to make her eventual triumph all the more “legitimate”.

Piss-poor attempt at subtlety mind you.

And, fwiw, yes the annihilation of the indigenous tribes of all of the americas and the usurping of their rights is terrible. ..and should be over-turned everywhere....

kick all the european descendents out back to Europe, then kick the Anglo-Saxons out of the UK and give it all back to us Celts!

Croeso y Cymru!

(Scotland gets given back to the Picts, if they're any left.... the Scots have to go back to Ireland obviously....oh and the Viking-descended Irish have to go back to Scandanavia....)

Of course the Argentines cant go back to Spain, that's going back to the Moors.... and they wont want those “pale faces”... so they'll have to go to internment camps until somebody agrees to take them on...somewhere...

Room in the Falklands maybe?

If they asked nicely....
73 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 12:55 am Report abuse
Sorry the mass shooting in the Indian reservation is now “an old mass shooting”

news.yahoo.com/least-four-wounded-shooting-oregon-mall-authorities-002121014.html

I repeat I will never EVER go into a mall in the USA.

Or to a movie theater, or to a university, or to a courthouse, or to the Empire state building, or to an indian reservation, or to a spa, or to an elemetary school, or to a secondary school, or to a . . .
74 Troy Tempest (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 01:15 am Report abuse
@73 Nozzy

“I repeat I will never EVER go into a mall in the USA.

Or to a movie theater, or to a university, or to a courthouse, or to the Empire state building, or to an indian reservation, or to a spa, or to an elemetary school, or to a secondary school, or to a . . .”

... and the yanks will be forever grateful. Whew!!
75 Ayayay (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 01:20 am Report abuse
Noone commenting here is attracted to going to the downscale, gritty or hicky places the shooting incidents typically take place in.
76 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 01:25 am Report abuse
So major universities, upscalle malls, courthouses, movie theaters, wealthy suburban secondary schools, spas, churches, are gritty and downscale places?

Please stop the pretense. The USA is a SICK society, and you can't disprove it. I've made my point, I'll move on (until the next mass shooting sometime tomorrow).
77 Troy Tempest (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 01:36 am Report abuse
Yes, you are OFF TOPIC, and frankly, I'm bored hearing you talk about YOU.

:-D
78 andy65 (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 01:47 am Report abuse
@Nostrolldamus And what kind of society do you call the one that your lover the botox queen nazi lover Cristina Kircher procide over/ you really do talk as much SH.. as what she does

GOD BLESS AMERICA
79 slattzzz (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 05:34 am Report abuse
Nostril Anus and in fact anyone on here just google murders in Buenes Aires and look at the results. People in glass houses and all that Nostril
80 Captain Poppy (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 11:09 am Report abuse
nostril anus will never go to any of those places because he would need money to travel to begin with. With all these “mass” killings in the USA, one would think the per capita murders would be materially higher than argentina, yet it's not.
Now focus little chica and stay on the subject.
81 Trunce (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 12:45 pm Report abuse
Can anyone enlighten me re:

The law originated from a 21-point proposal (’21 Points for Democratic Broadcasting’) created by hundreds of social, community, human rights, union, and indigenous rights groups.
www.argentinaindependent.com/currentaffairs/newsfromargentina/‘7d’-the-next-plot-twist-in-the-media-law-saga/

Is this democracy in action, or a bunch of put up stooges, to facilitate CFK's vengence?
82 Simon68 (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 02:16 pm Report abuse
81 Trunce (#)
Dec 12th, 2012 - 12:45 pm

It is just another “Malvinas Argentinas” thing to take our minds off the insecurity, inflation, corruption, etc. that CFK has bequeathed us so generously!!!!!!!
83 Captain Poppy (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 03:12 pm Report abuse
Simone, it seems to me that the mid term elections are going to be very crucial for Argentina. In the USA when the people get sick of a politician they start a “grassroots” campaign to remove them from office. Some popular ones here was....”Moveon.org. They might start web sites, have protests do anything to get the message out to vote against the politician in question. Don't they do anything like that in Argentina?
84 Simon68 (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 03:18 pm Report abuse
83 Captain Poppy (#)
Dec 12th, 2012 - 03:12 pm

I guess that we have “cacerolazos”, which give us a chance to let off steam as well as calling attention to the ills that we suffer.

Meanwhile the oposition is beginning to get its act together, the only possible way of beating the kirchnerists is through a coalition of opposition parties, and this is beginning to appear, and it is much easier to create a coalition for the mid-term elections than for general elections because one thing is to create an effective opposition in Congress and another is to govern!!!!!
85 Captain Poppy (#) Dec 12th, 2012 - 06:46 pm Report abuse
I understand what you are saying. Sometimes you need more than letting off steam. They “tea party” movement was started as a grass roots movement to remove congreeman and senators from office and was quite effective, though I do not associate myself with them, they did well in getting heard after being responsible for removing 25-30 congressmen. The president is accountable to congress here so having a good overseer in congress is important and not just having a yes person. So I always view the mid terms as just as important as the presidential elections.
86 Millet (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 08:42 pm Report abuse
Cristina Obama Fernandez you also must obay the law. - Millet USA
87 Captain Poppy (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 09:56 pm Report abuse
#86 Being new, try to make sense when you post

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