P&O cruise vessels choose Falklands over Ushuaia, Puerto Madryn and Buenos Aires
P&O, a subsidiary of Carnival Corporation Plc and one of the world’s leading cruise operators will be omitting Puerto Madryn, Ushuaia and Buenos Aires from its 2013 season because of the difficulties encountered by its red ensign vessels in Argentine ports during recent months. However the company confirms that the vessels will continue to call in the Falkland Islands.
In an official release the company said that “in these last months we have been working with the Foreign Office and our local agents to obtain reassurances from the Argentine government that our vessels will be allowed to dock in the country’s ports. We have been unable to secure this reassurance and the risk that access is rejected or the vessel delayed is too high”.
“As a British cruise company we can’t allow ourselves to be subject to any political dispute or put our passengers and our crew in any situation in which their enjoyment is compromised”, adds the release.
Furthermore in recent times the red ensign has not been allowed to dock in Argentine ports or has been delayed, in reference to the ‘Gaucho Rivero Law’ implemented in five Argentine provinces which implies the impediment to berth, permanence, supply and logistics operations to British vessels or flying convenience flags.
The law is targeted to vessels from the oil industry, but it has reached the cruise vessels with several of them desisting to call in Falklands/Malvinas Islands, whose sovereignty Argentina claims.
Last November according to press reports, radical activists protested against a company which sells cruise packages which include Malvinas and the façade of the office was attacked with Molotov bombs in the Retiro quarter of the city of Buenos Aires.
Following the incident the UK government summoned the Argentine ambassador in London demanding explanations regarding the “alleged intimidation and harassment actions” against cruise vessels that include the Malvinas in their itineraries.
“Therefore to ensure our customer’s enjoyment of their cruise, we have taken the decision to cancel our scheduled calls to Argentina for the forthcoming Arcadia and Adonia world cruises.
“Letters have been sent to passengers today, via their travel agents where appropriate, to inform them of the changes to their itinerary and where directly affected, the change to their turnaround port from Buenos Aires to Montevideo in Uruguay” concludes the release.
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There goes another of the RG Millipede's feet.
I can't wait for all the La Campora trolls to wake up and bask in the warm glow of another Argentine “success”............... Clowns
They go crying to every known UN organisation for the least little thing then try to intimidate and bully these big multinational cruise line company's into basically altering their travel itinerary's to suit there twisted ends.
Gun point to foot, pull trigger = Argentine foreign policy as dictated by the government sponsored militia!!!
You reap what you sow.
careful now............... Never understimate the Argentinian mindset!!
It does not take much thinking to realise that cruise ship passengers are holidaying. They are paying to have a break from work, rest, have fun, and visit some interesting destinations. They do not want to get caught up in disputes, or be threatened, or have to endure gangs of state sponsored thugs joining them onboard. And the cruise lines have to consider the safety of their passengers.
This could escalate if the Argentine government does not put a stop to this nonsense. Word spreads quickly in tourism. Cruise lines are not stopping in Argentina because it is too dangerous? They could lose their hard-fought slice of South American tourism, the associated jobs and the dollars CFKC loves so much.
“But I thought Argentines said the cruise lines would never omit Argentina from their itineraries”
Yeah, I know, funny that innit?
“Or did Argentina ”demand“ that the cruise lines never omit Argentina from their itineraries.”
Either way, they can now sit back and relax in that warm glow of a job well done...............................
It appears that 30 years on, P&O still has a back bone, well done them!
Don't forget to get anyone you know to sign this petition! Spread the word!
epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/42558
Better just avoid the place entirely and pay less insurance.
Argentina's loss will be Chile's gain. Chile's tourism is still in infancy and has huge potential. No doubt they will quietly profit from the cock-up of their neighbours whilst making soothing noises to the mad woman CFKC.
Indeed. But every cloud has a silver lining: B.A.'s loss is Montevideo's gain. I'm sure Uruguay will be delighted at this news. More dollars for them, and nothing for Argentina.
Ah, yes, TMBOA's economic model is still in full action.
@11 - Huntsman
I think the IMF are taking pity on the people of Argentina by not upsetting the apple cart over the holiday period.
Unfortunately, Argentina won't be having a Happy New Year, as the IMF will give them the boot. That means NO ONE will lend them any money, and no company will risk investing in Argentina. Cristina's 'buddy' is on his last legs, and there is no guarantee that his successor will keep throwing Venezulan money at the hopeless case that Argentina has become.
The latter will be replaced by the port of Montevideo, said today in a statement the group, who is of British origin and who opted for Falklands and United Kingdom when choosing which ports tied.
Ushuaia tourist industry already complained about the impact that will have the measure through the Agency Mercopress...'
'www.contexto.com.ar/vernota.php?id=93561';
'The British P & O Cruises stops operating in Argentina'
www.ushuaia24.com.ar/despachos.asp?cod_des=10446&ID_Seccion=302&Titular=La%20brit%C3%A1nica%20de%20cruceros%20P&O%20deja%20de%20operar%20en%20Argentina.html
'Cruise company suspends travel to the Argentina'
www.aimdigital.com.ar/aim/2012/12/14/empresa-de-cruceros-suspende-viajes-a-la-argentina/
I am sure this will be written off by the Argentine government at just two ships from a British company but the effects could be so much more.
I'd love to have been a fly on the wall at the meeting where they concluded that attacking and inconveniencing paying customers would compel those customers to be more obedient.
It's a strange reality that they inhabit.
Insurance concerns alone would dictate that must be a no-brainer, never mind customer safety and satisfaction.
There are great English speaking Policia Touristica specially trained in assisting foreign tourists in all the main areas: MVD, Punta del Este and Piriapolis. Their use has cut casual crime down enormously. They are easily recognised, they have little white cars with Policia Tourista very prominently displayed on both sides of the vehicle and to encourage tourists to consult them they park up in shopping areas and hand out leaflets about the area.
Great big cruise ship in Punta bay yesterday with all the tenders ferrying passengers to the harbour. At least two (Americans) made straight for McDonalds at Punta Shopping and sat near to us. They just love Uruguay having been here twice previously.
I didn’t want to upset their holiday by asking if they had ever been to BsAs or Argentina in general. ;o)
You know the old saying señor nostril, “be careful what you wish for as you might get it”.
Well, you wanted to be left alone, alone you shall be. Get used to it, loner.
Hard to believe a so-called modern nation could act this way.
Sad also when you consider the great potential Argentina had in the year 1900.
Just forget your ridiculous “claims” on our land & concentrate on rebuilding your own.
They seem to think people should just turn up to their cities and spend all their money without anyone having to do anything. They blame neo-liberalism for no one buying their products, when I'm guessing they did nothing to sell or market them. It's like they think the business is more than it's customers...
...I...don't....understand...them.
And Argentina is not shown on them; it just does not exist,
Well done CFK, your country is disappearing of the world stage before your very eyes,
And not one country will miss it,
Still,
This does mean the islands will have to build new facilities to accommodate the hundreds of thousands of future tourist,
Luvery juberly ?
.
where is the democracy? where is the freedom of trade?
Greatly deserved news for The democratic Peaceful Civilized and Prosperous Falklands,
SELF-DETERMINATION, keep smiling :)
If push comes to shove the Cruise Lines will leave out Argentina.
I bet your blood boils every time my predictions come true
boils
Let's see what is next, oh yeah, devaluation/hyperinflation then a generational depression.
Even if CFK leaves by CR or Olivos by helicopter it will still happen. The path is assured.
buy sugar
I can think of any other logical reason for this self-destructive behaviour the Argentine government employs.
WTF is that suppose to mean? You suggesting that Argentines should resort to acts of international terrorism over this matter?
“brave move by P&O!! hope they are stepping up security on their world wide offices”
Ahhh, a Troll appears and, makes a THREAT.
Too funny. And SO Argentina!!
Not as fired up as you! Yeaeh, they have attacked an office. I repeat, one office in BA! Do not make the mistake of assuming the rest of the worlds people have the same sick logic as you RG assholes!!!!!!!!
get a life HAHAHAHAHAHAH
In a country like this... who wants to be a tourist?
How spontaneous is that?
The alternative will be a split between those that only go to one or the other whereby they both lose out to Chile.
Calm down, I know this iscruise business is upsetting news, but no need to blow a blood vessel.
You'll be needing the Royal Flying Doctor service next.
As for world wide argentine terror, would that be a wise move, being a failed state is one thing but to be a failed terrorist state well thats just impressive and internationally condemned :)
SELF-DETERMINATION!
a very sad way to run a countries economy, but very typical!
it's sarcasm if you didn't figure it out already
Everything else is copasetic with me.
Dec 14th, 2012 - 02:34 pm
But you said we never had any leverage to begin with. Or words to that effect. So what have we lost? Nothing.
Dec 14th, 2012 - 02:40 pm
But we can sniff out bullshit from any distance.
But the British will defend the Falklands forever. So Argentina has no real leverage (and I never denied that in terms of the sovereingty issue, which in any event is a cause I object to).
So the only one losing effective leverage isthe UK.
@62
You don't have any leverage that is substantial enough to change our behavior. Not just you, neither the USA, EU, Brazil, Mercosur, China do... as you can see by our repeated escalations on all fronts, for years on end.
The rest of the world has had almost 15 years now to teach us a lesson (since 2000), and we are still waiting for the magic bullet to humiliate us to submission, allow you to destroy our economy by flooding your products in, have the government give up the Malvinismo, and make us pay our debts, and do as you say in anything else you fancy.
www.ghanaweb.com/GhanaHomePage/NewsArchive/artikel.php?ID=259446
stopping flights! harrassing threatening cruise companies! Oil company provocation! banning British ensigns in argentine ports! general pain in its own a55!
all in the name of Spite! and argentina has well and truly cut its nose off with The Falklanders.
“So the only one losing effective leverage isthe UK.” ,
as we both know this isnt true, but im sure your can explain why UK has lost any leverage??
I guess we will soon see in march 2013 :)))) , you believe in democracy dont you??
SELF-DETERMINATION,
I do. “You” (plural) do not.
And you didn't have “the world against you” until CFK shut off imports, which was this year. So now there is a coordinated effort with the USA leading the charge as pay back for boarding our military jet,
So it's only been a relatively short time that Arg has been in our sites. The Int'l community and laws move slow and steady. Everything is in motion now to destroy your economy.
Quite frankly it has gone on much longer than I imagined. Look how long Iran has held on but with both of you it won't be much longer now.
The path to a generational depression is assured.
The world we live in, is very different to the world lived in by others.
“So the only one losing effective leverage isthe UK.” ,
can explain why UK has lost any leverage?? in your own time, im curious.
@69 ended well, cant think what was going through mothers mind, but she must have been desperate and scared, glad little boy was rescued, who knows could be future nobel peace prize winner right there.
Still, I Cant see Ghanians pulling argentina out of the sh*t anytime soon :)))
or maybe you cannot explain your comment on how Uk has lost effective leverage, usually when you make a comment its best to have a fact to back it up, or in your case...Not!
Key word being “women”. Castrati Europeans are still men.
@76
You have absolute leverage on the Falklands, virtually zero leverage within Argentina.
and they can also carry their fishing instruments, perhaps they can catch some argentine squid........:PPP
Shortly there will be no 0/g company with any expertise left in the country.
BTW Toby, you are wrong on UK influence with Argentina, UK is very powerful and respected in Int'l orgs. That is where they will get you. Don't forget they invented modern day diplomacy.
The noose is tightening day by day.
ever thought about argentine politics as a career??
Sounds yummy
“2011 will be the year of Argentina,” Mr Meyer said.
Guests at the luncheon included a select group which included CEOs of hospitality and real estate conglomerates as well as private equity and investment fund directors.
Explaining the plan, Mr Meyer talked of significant investment in Argentina's tourism infrastructure and training, saying:
”Argentina has the best prepared and best educated population in South America. This translates into superior service and greater customer satisfaction.
SO WHAT CHANGED.
Why would Britain want or need any leverage over Argentina? Argentina are the ones who want something to change, and this sorry episode is your country's attempt to apply leverage in order to force change.
When there are two riots going on kind of close to each other but for different reasons, like what happened with Tucuman and Boca the other night, how do you tell who is rioting for what and does it matter?
Refer to your manual on “When two mass shootings are going on close to each other but for different reasons”... same analogy, really.
www.google.co.uk/search?q=shooting+yourself+in+the+foot&hl=en&tbo=u&tbm=isch&source=univ&sa=X&ei=KlHLUJSgKueY0QX1hIDADw&sqi=2&ved=0CD0QsAQ&biw=1024&bih=644
Arg has offered you three planes a week full of tourists from BA, but you rejected. That one is out.
That is Argentinian diplomacy, not FI diplomacy.
They aren't particulary high spenders actually. They do behave nicely though and resist the urge to leave nasty flags littering up the place.
Don't think there's too many of them on the cruise ships.
Aren't you milking the victim thing just a little bit too much. You know, you have the British all wrong really, you clearly don't understand us a people. We really don't want an enemy if Argentina at all. You should look at this situation and reflect on it. You chose to use terrorism to try and harm the Falkland Islands economy. When has terrorism ever worked anywhere as a workable tactic against the UK. The Foreign Office has been very busy behind the scenes, quietly and proficiently dealing with Argentina at every turn. What this should reach you is if you try to hurt the Falklands economically, we will hurt you harder.
Every stick you use to try and hurt the Falklands with, we will take from you and beat you with it.
Hmmm... Captain Obvious but... maybe there isn't much to spend ON in the Falklands??
And you understand us even less. The more you and the rest of the world try to “put us in place” instead of dialoguing with us, the more decades you add to us being antagonistic towards you.
ARGENTINA ALWAYS THE VICTIM????
Dec 14th, 2012 - 04:36 pm
Argentinian dialogue.
www.google.co.uk/#sclient=tablet-gws&hl=en&tbo=d&q=mugging+pics&oq=mugging+pic&gs_l=tablet-gws.1.1.0i10i30j0i30j0i5i30.7636.17376.1.22361.11.11.0.0.0.2.1470.4347.0j4j3j1j0j1j1j1.11.0.les%3B..0.0...1ac.1.2ZVE7hL6ZqE&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.&bvm=bv.1355325884,d.d2k&fp=9b851182162a96a2&bpcl=39967673&biw=1024&bih=644
www.google.co.uk/#sclient=tablet-gws&hl=en&tbo=d&q=toddler+tantrum+pictures&oq=toddler+tantrum+pi&gs_l=tablet-gws.1.0.0i30.3947.12643.0.14666.18.18.0.0.0.1.1977.8768.1j3j3j4j2j2j1j1j1.18.0.les%3B..0.0...1ac.1.L4p9zSv76PQ&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.&bvm=bv.1355325884,d.d2k&fp=9b851182162a96a2&bpcl=39967673&biw=1024&bih=644
I fear you are confusing 'antagonism' with humiliation. To quote Yoda “fear and anger lead to the dark side” Iran, Syria, North Korea and the new guys Argentina! So sad.
Then it is centuries. The Falklands in this scenario are not the focus but rather a manifestation of the larger point. Argentina has many grievances with the world, since the 1800s, in other areas, and we have not forgotten those either.
The main point being... the world severely undersestimates our capacity for long-term rancor. Most societies may forgive and forget within years... we take centuries. So the IMF, the WTO all that stuff you are doing to us... the world can forget about Argentina being a responsible, helpfu country for at least till 2070-2080 if not beyond. Because all alive today in Argentina will never move on.
Look at how we still don't forgive, or adore, Peron, depending on your view. Look how we still fret over things that ocurred in 1900.
That's proof enough, that the world has made us a VERY long-term problem. Perhaps, if they had traded with us fairly (not tried to destroy our economy), if they had done other things respectfuly, it would have been different.
Too late.
Dec 14th, 2012 - 04:53 pm
Ignore him. It is cos he is Argentinian. Innit?
www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkEMS7diuDc
Dec 14th, 2012 - 04:55 pm
You are not being clear about what you are not forgiving us for princess. I mean after all, 180 years or so ago we kicked out your illegal penal colony from the Falkland Islands. We then forgave you and moved on. What exactly is your problem?
Have you sill not forgiven the Ameridians for being in the way when you invaded Patagonia? Blimey I can't argue with that. You really do now how to hold a grudge don't you?
Why? Not because of the company, but because we stand up and don't cower to the attempts of subjugation. That is all you in the north care about, to control, to subjugate, and to keep others down.
Look it up.
Hows Crissie doing today??
This thread is about Argentina attempting to subjugate the Falkland Islanders.
There are plenty of other places that you can go to indulge in your sad conspiracy theories about how everybody hates you and is trying to destroy you, by such terrible means as making you pay back money you've borrowed, and by not allowing their shiny ships to be attacked by your state- sponsored thugs. Yes indeed. Poor you.
'Another cruise line cancels calls in Argentina'
www.usatoday.com/story/cruiselog/2012/12/14/argentina-falklands-cruise-ship/1769441/
'The enigma of the “Invincible”'
www.lanueva.com/edicion_impresa/nota/14/12/2012/cce030.html
youre confusing fucking it up, to standing up!!!
You believe Argentina, Iran, North Korea, Syria,Cuba, Zimbabwe, all stand up to subjugation? Iran, Syria and Zimbabwe are shining examples of subjugation. Argentina closely followed by their atitude towards Falkland Islanders.
Yet another own goal by the Argies, I really do pity the sane Argentinians that have to endure this freakshow of a regime.
:)
whereas thats enough to write junk/useless like all these 70-80 comments to carry this disinformation article to the most commented column.
just a clue ;
[[[[[[[[[[ ... Argentina is one of the allies of UK ...]]]]]]]]]]]
dont forget this.
has Argentina got any true allies ?
@135 really, you are pissed mate, allies don't constantly try to shit on each other, you will never be an allie to us when you carry on this shite against our true allies and countrymen the FALKLAND ISLANDS in fact your going to be in a world of hurt if you carry onlike this.....FACT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/feb/22/argentinian-intellectuals-question-falklands
Yawn
You are an indurate Tinman, then. PATHETIC.
137
138
Lough........
Havent you learn Argentina yet ?
This nasty country is the ally of everybody meanwhile the enemy of everybody in the world.
Go and see this country ,you can easily many many British economic interests,guys ,companies.... there.
This nasty country is not a country but a kinky heap contains many many inside organizations in the reality.
I'm tired of you changing the subject. The whole world has its faults but this thread is about cruise ships cancelling Argentina from their schedules. They are cancelling their schedules because of the actions of your shit president and her thugs. That's why people are putting your country down and to do that in connection with this story is justifiable.
If you want to condemn all of the non-Argentine countries, and clearly you do, fuck off onto an appropriate site somewhere and do it there.
The shooting figures in the US are dire- I agree with you. But remember this young man. The murder rate for Argentina is only fractionally (not even tangible to people going about their lives in both countries) lower that that of the USA.
Laugh , not Lough ..........
Laugh..........Laugh...!
www.cnn.com/2012/12/14/world/asia/china-knife-attack/index.html
Bloggs, this stuff is totally relevante here in fact. You people are bitching, bleating, whinging, ululating about two “thugs” roughing up some office of a cruise operator. You call it uncivilized...
What is someone going in with a nut, getting within touching distance of a CHILD (A LITTLE THING), and STABBING THEM!!!!
About someone going to a movie theater, a spa, a mall, a bloody elemantary and just shooting little kids, adolescents, and old people and splattering their heads!!
DON'T CALL US UNCIVILIZED. You have lost that priviledge long ago.
Basically, when is the last time Argentina actually did *anything* positive, impressive or worthy of praise? Nobody is interested in subjugating you, Tobi. No one would give a shit about a third-rate power like Argentina if it just conducted itself like a normal 21st century country, rather than a thieving basket case out to cause as much trouble and discord as possible.
A cravenly political decision by a British company. They and their passengers are safer in this country than in any other in the Americas bar perhaps Chile and Canada and Uruguay.
For them to cite “security” is fallacious and laughable.
The funny thing is that Argentina's murder rate is virtually the same as that of the US. The best deflection he can come up with is something the US is about as bad as Argentina at.
Everything that is happening today, yesterday and every other day before that going all the way back to 1982,
Has been argentines doing, argentine policy, argentine abuse, argentine aggression, argentine threats,
And then who goes running complaining to the UN , [argentina again]
She is systematically destroying her own country, for her deluded greedy ambition, to steal what is not hers,
And still, some indocronoughts stand by her.
Still,
If you give children matches to play with, [what do you honestly expect]
Do you grasp the difference between just your average murder (the vast majority either murders of passion or “ajuste de cuentas”, i.e. related to a penuniary matter like drugs, etc), and the sort of just indiscriminate carnage that occurs in North America (or other parts of South America) on a daily basis??
@157
Fuck me, and then people accuse me of dredging up issues and events that took place decades ago???
On topic. Argentina should be more concerned with the knock-on effect of driving away tourism.
Fine. Please feel free to make flippant comments about my country. Otherwise this forum would cease to function.
After all if Argentina gets any worse,
Mr Cameron might just offer it..
.
@ 161 Not flippant. Why not give as actual opinion on the development. You thought this could never happen.
You antis are a joke Elaine. There is nothing you say that can be believed in regards to Argentina. You in particular are an adroit confabulator, pace all other antis.
I'm not certain which of you is better, the antis who spit out mendacities filled with so much hyperbole and fantasy they qualify as mere jesters, or people like yourself who actually occasionaly do decide to redact some veracious information but then proceed to intersperse sly innacuracies.
I proffered my opinion. It is a British company, they have a political agenda. That is fine. You have a problem with comprehension. I limpidly wrote that “ships with legs in the Falklands” didn't apply to my overall assessment.
Subreption is a poor rhetorical device Elaine. Next time sleuth the entirety of my statements and then draw the appropriate illative.
He is as bad as those that that commit these atrocities in the first place.
What part didn't you understand? I am not wrong, the first analysis I made included the commmentary that “surely those ships that stop in the Falklands are filled with antis for the most part”... most people here will recall this statetement.
So far only a British company with stops in the Falklands has desisted from argieland, out of patriotism, which I respect.
I have not been proven incorrect, go read upon the concept of Subreption. You may not know what that means, but it is exactly what the act you are performing. It is tactically weak strategy amongst those of us with higher literacy... which is whom you should be trying to emulate anyway. But if you are satisfied with impressing the linguistically average individual here (nothing wrong with being that, I'm sure they are more resourceful in other areas), then you may in fact succeed.
But you are still not a strong debater.
Dont care of this vile country / these cool cursed islands
Lets tour in a Carribean luxury class ship , exclusively You & i.
No matter. We all read it.
There is treatment for logophobia. If you don't understand low-frequency vocabulary, get a dictionary. My usage is not through a thesaurus... do you think I could respond so quickly if I was using one? Furthermore a thesaurus is not enough because you need to know how to use a word otherwise it makes no sense. Give credit (not because it is me), but because it is healthy to just admit even your most detested enemy has a redeeming quality.
The bit I had trouble with is; ''I limpidly wrote that “ships with legs in the Falklands” etc
Firstly because this is an incorrect use of 'limpid'. Whatever your English learner's thesaurus may tell you, modern English only uses 'limpid' to mean 'clear' in a literal sense, as in pools of water.
Secondly 'ships with legs in the Falklands' isn't clear (or even limpid). It's just gobbledegook.
Nobody's going to try to emulate you, because you're writing this from the naughty corner, where your teacher has put you on account of your colossal arrogance and failure to write basic intelligible modern English.
You aren't a strong debater. You use glaring logical fallacies on a daily basis, and if someone points them out to you, you ignore it and sail serenely on to the next one.
You can't debate for toffee. (And your mother smelt of elderberries). So there.:-P
Obviously there is no treatment for verbal Diarrhoea
You do realize this is live right? I don't check what I'm writing, I don't proofread it, I don't use spellchecker, there is no proofreader, no editor, no director, no cross-editor, no sample reading group.
And yet in such books we can all find “mistakes”.
You want pedantry? I will engage you in it... You better cross all your t's and dot all your i's, I'll be scrutinizing all your responses from now on. So don't dissapoint me.
Pretty much ALL that Argentina has is grievances according to you - no wonder the cruiss avoid you now.
”But you are still not a strong debater.”
....whereas you are a mass debater?
When are you going to take a cruise or a flight to the Falklands for a visit? I'm pretty sure you said you haven't been here. You can take one of three flight options or, as you know, you can come on a cruise. You take a good interest in the islands so it would be nice for you to see them. A lot of the other posters from the UK have some connection to the islands but I'm not sure if you do or what it is. Either way we appreciate your contribution and support. Thank you.
he's a bit claquers for certain....0
...and that goes for all of you loyal Falklands supporters who haven't been here before. We'd love to have you and show you a good time.
My main interest and work is in The Americas but the Argentine obsession with your island pulls it into my remit.
On a personal level I just really want to visit a beautiful BOT. I am working on my next itinerary so fingers crossed I can work it in.
Oh do be quiet.
You become frightfully tedious after awhile.
Wallowing in selfpity, like your poor mis-understood & completely innocent country, who would never, ever do wrong to anyone.
Well, you're both as pure as the driven snow & the rest of the evil world is out to get you because you are just so................noble!
Arrrrrrrrrrrrggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhh, l can't stand it any longer.
Go & get a manual job, nostril. Work hard & sweat, sr pseudo-intellectual.
Do something for your country &
STOP FEELING SORRY FOR YOURSELF.
Poltroon.
Plaudits. Your effort was appreciated.
i can't believe they're still going on about that. Its clear the boat had no damage at all!
“but we sunk it....” “we seriously damaged it...” “we scraped its paint a bit...”
funny how there is no image of it slightly damaged at all....
www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTs5ZUkjOAQ
en.mercopress.com/2011/02/08/falklands-war-carrier-hms-invincible-towed-to-a-turkish-scrap-yard
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You must find a way to do it. Via Chile is probably your best option, especially if you want to spend 2 weeks. You can only do 1 if you go via Argentina. It sure is a beautiful BOT and, even though I am biased, I have been to pretty well all of them so I can compare. St Helena has eluded me but I am about to go. Everyone who has been, and all of my many St Helenian friends assure me it is beautiful. Montserrat is one of my favourite Caribbean BOTs even though it doesn't have the beautiful beaches like a lot of other people like.
If you go to the Falklands make it for two weeks and book a decent itinerary before you go. Don't just turn up in Stanley and try it figure it out; you won't get to see the best places. Stanley Services or International Tours and Travel (both locally based) are the best agencies to book through. Just ask me if you ever get the chance and I can give you all the details.
Dec 14th, 2012 - 08:49 pm
Yeah yeah yeah. Everybody hates you. Change the record you whining prick.
Let's make no mistake, Chile Uruguay and Brazil are siding with Argentina over the Argentines claim to wind them up to make more F ups so that they as a nearby power are diminished. If they were all solid behind Argentina's claim then none of those countries would have any contact with the Falkland Islands or the UK whatsoever. In fact the Argentine would be a bigger threat to the Islands if they were actually friendly, logic, (cause and effect) which has bypassed them and if they lost their 'Argentina is always the victim' pathetisism.
Face of Edward Devenney being added on Mount Rushmore
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And the passengers?
Passengers that booked those cruises are dancing in the streets(or asking for the money back)
99 yankeeboy Fed B.
What a bunch of rednecks! Another shooting today in yankeeland?
Not in a movie nor in a mall this time, in an elementary school and 20 young children dead.
Contemptible.
Does that make you happy, Marcos?
You are off-topic.
Enjoy your holidays.
No, it makes me sick you fool. Children are children.
These are the same “people” gleefuly indulging their Schadenfreude on the inflation article posting hyperlinks about alledged deaths of famished children in a Toba reservation. They have the gall of claiming not to see the hmm, hypocrisy, of their indignation towards those making light of the shooting in order to score debating points, and then five minutes later use the supposed starvation of children as cannon-fodder against the “trolls”.
Their disingenuous display of being in high dudgeon regarding the misuse tragic stories to gain discussion points is thus duly noted.
IT IS AN AMAZING SPECIE ABOUT TO EXTINT THANKS TO THE GREAT LAND CALL ENGLAND
Argentina meanwhile, continues on a downward spiral...... Happy 17th December you guys!!!
“No, it makes me sick you fool. Children are children.”
Why are you so “gleefully” posting that OFF-TOPIC link on this thread, except to gloat ??
It has nothing to do with P&O cancelling trips to Argentina in favour of the Fslklands.
Deliberate, staged violence by a state, Argentina, for economic and political purposes, is different than random violence by a deranged individual.
Still talking b*ll*cks I see. Actually, I'm Beginning to see a pattern here.
206 you are not first
Please explain your post....... It makes obsolutely no sense whatsoever
I hear you, they find pleasure at someone else's problems(yankeedick and others) but God forgive something like that happens in their “perfect ”societies.
“Deliberate, staged violence by a state, Argentina, for economic and political purposes, is different than random violence by a deranged individual”
Unless the “deranged individual” is CFK, of course.
Why don't you elaborate upon your inane, asinine comments for a change? Talking bollocks, my post is completely accurate.
- exactly as I predicted a couple of weeks ago in:
en.mercopress.com/2012/12/03/argentina-rejects-complaint-accuses-uk-of-illegal-appropriation-of-malvinas-resources#comment194719
Drop Buenos Aires, use Montevideo as base port, Argentina loses several million much needed USdollars per cruise.
“in these last months we have been working with the Foreign Office and our local agents to obtain reassurances from the Argentine government that our vessels will be allowed to dock in the country’s ports. We have been unable to secure this reassurance and the risk that access is rejected or the vessel delayed is too high”.
Wow............. Looks like the Argentine Tourism industry is about to collapse as well, oh never mind......add it to the list huh Tito??? Or is this another one of things that “You don't discuss”???
I would hate to be the Minister for Tourism or whatever they call it. His / her head will definately roll for this one.... another scapegoat for KFC / TMBOA's / Ol' Turkey Neck's mistakes....
I didn't say talking bollocks, I said talking b*ll*cks, get it right, Clown
What about your ship Libertad??
Isn't it tomorrow you either get it back, or lose it forever?
It might make a nice exclusive little cruiser around the Falklsnds.
Having once been a flagship it should have no problem outrunning the old rust bucket navy of that bankrupt state in LATAM.
'Deliberate, staged violence by a state, England'
I agree, after all they are the ones sending their nuclear subs and other warships(prior to their trip to Turkish scrapyards) to our country in order to hold a colony in Argentina 14000km away from London.
PEACE FOR ALL PEOPLE IN THE WORLD!
“'Deliberate, staged violence by a state, England'”
Couldn't resist answering, could you?? :-)
Tell me, what violence? Don't know what you are talking about. Do you mean the violence 30 years ago that slapped down some nasty pirates??
All is peaceful around the Falklands, now. And you know RN ships can't come near Argentina ports.
I was talking about the staged terrorist attack, complete with photographer, on a cruise ship booking office in Buenos Aires. Lots of threats and broken glass, along with demands that Cruise ships do not visit the Falklands.
Waiting for the news on Libertad.
Libertad = “freedom”, right ?
Please advise us all exactly where there is a colony on Argentine territory.
Chuckle chuckle (in a haughty voice)
Careful with that word “haughty”, Joe.
l'm nearly sure Squatter Think has it copyrighted!
But l think you're right about the greenbacks! lol
Meanwhile, the 110 is idle parked at the Bloggs residence ......
No... They are a success story arn't they?
Friendship is friendship but business is business!!
CFK and her band of sad Malvinistas tell everyone that Uruguay and Chile on on their side. After all, that is what their presidents told her. But what are they doing to support her? Apart from saying they are supporting her. Ha ha. NOTHING! In fact they are doing things to thwart CFK. LAN is backward and forward each Saturday, the ships are to and fro between both of those SA countries and the Falklands. Our business communities are trading heavily and planning more trade all the time. Uruguay and Chile have both sent Government-supported trade delegations to the Falklands recently.
227 You're welcome ElaineB. The majority of tourist who visit love it and a lot come back more than once.
226 LOL. If only that were true but the 110 is forever on the move. I need to make the most of her because she's about to turn into, dare I say it, a Disco. Mrs Bloggs got her way like she normally does.
Why is it that Chile and Uruguay aren't helping your government's position over the Falklands Think?
Chuckle chuckle haughtily!
228 You said it my friend.
Once the Falklands open their new deep water port, the rampant inflation, imploding economy and associated instability in Argentina will make the islands the preferred destination, by far.
Outcome, yet another Pyrrhic defeat for Argentina.
@ 200 Marcos Alejandro
Beneath contempt.
A Disco! Your wife will LOVE to drive it, hope you have something else for you (I seem to remember a Japanese something or other?) because you will not get YOUR hands on it.
Does anybody on the Falklands (there are STILL no Malvinas you prats) have access to either the official LR software package or to a clone (of which there are a few now)? It is vital to use the updates on a regular basis because LR are always ironing out bugs mainly to the body computer.
Funny things happen quite often with the electrics and the canbus: these can be problamatical to cure to say the least. May I suggest you contact LR direct if you are unsure about access to the right equipment. They have been known to LOAN this stuff if they think it will increase sales.
Happy driving! ;o)
“Waiting for the news on Libertad”
The wait is over marionette, enjoy your breakfast with another Argentinean victory.
223 Gordo1 You can't see it? Is your large panza blocking your view?
It wasn't immediately clear whether the ruling is final and whether it can be appealed.
I suspect that it will be appealed. By the way hows your corvette getting on in South africa
Here is a link for the road to follow to teach this criminal to respect the laws in Argentina.
Argentine diplomacy:
Dec 11,2012
“The situation escalated last month when a group named, “concerned citizen of Argentina” hacked the official website of Ghana’s Ministry of Justice and Attorney General and issued a warning to the government of Ghana to release the vessel in 3 days or face their wrath as they threatened to attack all government website, banks, stock exchange, gold and oil companies, water companies and publish all of Ghana’s personal banking records on the internet.”
The law in Argentina is a matter for Argentines, the problems start for you when you try and apply Argentinian laws in British territory
And anyway you don’t seem to be able to apply your laws in Argentina, never mind outside of it.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=0iULyLwvV-A
Victory!
You've got to be kidding right. If Argentina followed the precepts of international law she wouldn't be pursuing ludicrous and illegal claim to islands.
www.abc.net.au/environment/articles/2011/12/13/3389001.htm
en.mercopress.com/2012/09/15/funds-from-confiscated-illegal-fish-used-to-combat-poachers-in-southern-ocean
I hope she likes it. She was in a friend's the other day for the day and that was that. Order placed. Yes it sounds like I'll be assigned the Japanese chariot for the rest of time now. Still, it's a capable little thing and not too old so I'll be fine. And we may keep the 110; not sure yet. There's plenty of room in the drive.
I don't know about all that technical stuff you mentioned but the local Land Rover dealer is reasonably competent I think so hopefully no problems with anbuses (whatever they are. LOL). We've bought our last couple from them and they've always looked after us. Didn't actually go through them this time though so I hope that doesn't upset the apple cart. I know it shouldn't but, island life and all...
232
A victory?? LMFAO
Only a sad Malvinista on here could have its nation's flag ship detained against its free will for 3 months and then call it a victory when finally getting it released. I'm glad the crew will finally be going home albeit with their tails between their legs but it's hardly a victory.
239 Pirat-Hunter
“We demand drones to sink this ships, and we won't stop until they get sunk”.
From whom do you demand these drones?
en.mercopress.com/2012/09/15/funds-from-confiscated-illegal-fish-used-to-combat-poachers-in-southern-ocean
www.abc.net.au/environment/articles/2011/12/13/3389001.htm
Are you trying to say that you feel afraid to be in Argentina because of the presence of the UK military in the South Atlantic?
You didn't buy your Missus Disco through the FIC?
You are dead meat, matey!
You will NEVER be allowed to buy your stuffed penguins at the Capstan Shop again...
I could tell you many horror stories about people commiting smaller crimes than that on bigger Islands....... and lived to regret it but......
I dont want to ruin your Weekend....
;-)
Oh, wait.
The last weeks news is quite frankly hilarious. As is the poor excuse for a positive outlook Nostro tried to spin on the situation. Equally hilarious is the fact that as high as his perch along with the part of himself that is wedged firmly up his buttock he still falls for the basic Argentinian trait of believing that anyone cares about his crap country.
“the world has made us a VERY long-term problem”
Classic stuff, If Argentina put it's entire nations resources behind the singular purpose of becoming a problem i assure you that you could stlll find more problematic issues such as a clingy fart that refuses to dissipate.
Alternatively if you’re on a budget, try Airfix.
en.mercopress.com/2012/09/15/funds-from-confiscated-illegal-fish-used-to-combat-poachers-in-southern-ocean
www.abc.net.au/environment/articles/2011/12/13/3389001.htm
The Argentines I know in Argentina are not hiding from anyone. I'm not sure what you mean. Do you mean you'd be hiding from the British or from your own government?
Good effort Malvinistas, Chileans will welcome your efforts to promote their nation as a more viable and safer tourist destination...keep shooting yourselves in the foot....by the way, I was talking to an Argentinian mother, with a boy in my son's cricket team, who shakes her head in disgust at the Malvinistas silly exploits....Argentina really does deserve better, but its not helped by a poor education system that promotes such foolishness.
As for fools like Timmerman, etc....a very sadly pathetic ruling class is dragging that nation down the toilet. Still, if their economy continues to hit the skids, even many of their supporters will start to see the writing on the wall.
PH- “#241 I can only demand things from Argentina since I am Argentine, I would much rather they had a good nuclear defence program so I could feel safe enough to come back home and end the illegal British occupation, but that seems out of the question for now, that's why I settled for some sort of defence program rather then the political revolving doors we being walking for years at the UN.”
ALEX - you know that if you leave Canada, you won't get back in!!
You're “afraid” of the Brits in Argie?? Is a population of a few law-abiding, peaceful Brit civilians a threat to strike fear into the hearts of the 40 million brave Argentinians??
LOL !!! You ARE a wimpish little fool aren't you??
Tell the truth, if you left Canada (never to return) you would have to scratch out a living in BA or hope to survive in your claimed native Salta !!
In spite of your aggressive bluster, you don't have the desire to eke out a living in Argentina ( living on other people's sausages), nor the skills to do so!!
I love watching the Argentinians make prats of themselves trying to take the mickey out of your username.
Yes, ironic that the Trolls call me a “marionette”.
I know a puppet when I see one ! - Troy Tempest
Feel free to quote me on that.
LOL
“We demand drones to sink this ships, and we won't stop until they get sunk.”
If you launch any drones ( which you don't have and your aircraft are falling to bits-you could try radio controlled Pampas I suppose), they will
a) get blown out of the sky way before they reach any ships.
b) Their bases will be tomahawked.
Not a smart idea.
Also I notice your ' demand demand demand', is followed by nothing happening, nothing happening, nothing happening. Typical Argentine response from your fairy never -never land.
Money.
What a bunch of ignorant fools the Argentine government are.
Spectacular.
“They have bad teeth and smelly feet.”
errr no-the ones off tourist ships have no problems with personal hygiene, and also they have lots of money to spend, which Argentina has very generously said they can spend in Uruguay Chile and the Falkland Islands instead of in Argentina.
I applaud this Argentine generosity as do the rest of South American and the South Atlantic.
El Gaucho Ribeiro being some kind of rebel is a complete lie.
The Argentine National Academy of History considered in 1966 that Rivero and his followers were common criminals driven by no patriotic feeling, and Argentine historian Laurio H. Destéfani wrote in his 1982 book on the history of the Falkland Islands dispute:
“
This is the true story of what happened proof of which is stated in 42 documents published by the National Academy of History. Attempts have been made to create a legend about courageous gauchos who attacked and defeated the British, but this is just imagination. The truth as recorded in those documents does not authorize the creation of myths or legends
Shite, and Shite!
Yes, Slattzzz
I'm thinking that ProARG is 'sussie', also.
Not surprising really.
Not that ProArg is smart in any way but he/she/it is probably a notch or two higher than that deadbeat, sussie.
And thats not saying much!!!!!!!!!!
“Not that ProArg is smart in any way but he/she/it is probably a notch or two higher than that deadbeat, sussie.”
Hmmm, you might be right. Sussie may not have opposable thumbs yet.
Also embarrassingl for the Argentines, wasn't Rivero one of the members of Vernet's settlement in 1833 that was quite happy to stay under the British flag (after Captain Onslow paid the Gauchos in silver rather than Vernet's discredited paper money), rather than leave?
It's all theirs!!
You know it makes sense (well, to the deluded supporters of TMBOA anyway).
;o)
True, Rivero was prompted to murder islanders for financial gain, even murdering a noted SA called Ventura Pasos or something. The point being that argentines have introduced a law bearing the name of murderous thug, Imagine the UK introducing a law called the Peter Sutcliffe Accord. Just shows their historical perspective was written up by some headless chickens!
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British companies prefer british companies- Sounds great- Please, don´t stop never anymore in our country-
We have a law, and don´t whant to help your ships in route to Malvinas-
EVEN THE FLIGTHS CAN BE ACHIEVED as Gaucho Rivero LAW---- nice situation right?
More gibberish I see and what's this about a murderers law? AG going to promote FatBoy Cokehead to be the substitute, he is after all a bit of a cowboy.
Ha, ha, ha.
So you also want to give LAN Chile the extra buisness?
It aint even mutch of a detour to just fly round cape horn (as opposed to flying over the Magellan straight)
If Argentina prohibits flights from Punta Arenas from using their airspace, - Its no real problem. Plus the fact there are flights from th UK direct in to Mountpleasent airport on the Falkland Islands. (malvinas?)
Still, history not the Argentine's strong point according to the crap they tell the guillible UN.
Do the Argentines have any important historical figures that aren't actually murderers?
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