Friday, December 14th 2012 - 06:58 UTC

P&O cruise vessels choose Falklands over Ushuaia, Puerto Madryn and Buenos Aires

P&O, a subsidiary of Carnival Corporation Plc and one of the world’s leading cruise operators will be omitting Puerto Madryn, Ushuaia and Buenos Aires from its 2013 season because of the difficulties encountered by its red ensign vessels in Argentine ports during recent months. However the company confirms that the vessels will continue to call in the Falkland Islands.

Arcadia and Adonia will continue to call at the Falkland Islands

In an official release the company said that “in these last months we have been working with the Foreign Office and our local agents to obtain reassurances from the Argentine government that our vessels will be allowed to dock in the country’s ports. We have been unable to secure this reassurance and the risk that access is rejected or the vessel delayed is too high”.

“As a British cruise company we can’t allow ourselves to be subject to any political dispute or put our passengers and our crew in any situation in which their enjoyment is compromised”, adds the release.

Furthermore in recent times the red ensign has not been allowed to dock in Argentine ports or has been delayed, in reference to the ‘Gaucho Rivero Law’ implemented in five Argentine provinces which implies the impediment to berth, permanence, supply and logistics operations to British vessels or flying convenience flags.

The law is targeted to vessels from the oil industry, but it has reached the cruise vessels with several of them desisting to call in Falklands/Malvinas Islands, whose sovereignty Argentina claims.

Last November according to press reports, radical activists protested against a company which sells cruise packages which include Malvinas and the façade of the office was attacked with Molotov bombs in the Retiro quarter of the city of Buenos Aires.

Following the incident the UK government summoned the Argentine ambassador in London demanding explanations regarding the “alleged intimidation and harassment actions” against cruise vessels that include the Malvinas in their itineraries.

“Therefore to ensure our customer’s enjoyment of their cruise, we have taken the decision to cancel our scheduled calls to Argentina for the forthcoming Arcadia and Adonia world cruises.

“Letters have been sent to passengers today, via their travel agents where appropriate, to inform them of the changes to their itinerary and where directly affected, the change to their turnaround port from Buenos Aires to Montevideo in Uruguay” concludes the release.
 

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1 Frank (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 07:09 am Report abuse
'Paging Mr Thicko... Paging Mr Thicko.....'

There goes another of the RG Millipede's feet.
2 toooldtodieyoung (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 07:23 am Report abuse
“Arcadia and Adonia will continue to call at the Falkland Islands ”

I can't wait for all the La Campora trolls to wake up and bask in the warm glow of another Argentine “success”............... Clowns
3 Britworker (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 07:24 am Report abuse
Shot themselves in the foot once again, and for the whole of 2013. That is going to sting and they only have themselves to blame. Can these people get any more stupid?
4 jeffski (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 07:29 am Report abuse
Brilliant news, lets hope more cruise line company's follow suit and refuse to be intimidated and dictated to. It just amazes me how thick these Argies are, did they really think they could bully these cruise liners into not visiting the FI !!!

They go crying to every known UN organisation for the least little thing then try to intimidate and bully these big multinational cruise line company's into basically altering their travel itinerary's to suit there twisted ends.

Gun point to foot, pull trigger = Argentine foreign policy as dictated by the government sponsored militia!!!

You reap what you sow.
5 toooldtodieyoung (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 07:33 am Report abuse
3 Britworker

careful now............... Never understimate the Argentinian mindset!!
6 ElaineB (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 07:37 am Report abuse
But I thought Argentines said the cruise lines would never omit Argentina from their itineraries.

It does not take much thinking to realise that cruise ship passengers are holidaying. They are paying to have a break from work, rest, have fun, and visit some interesting destinations. They do not want to get caught up in disputes, or be threatened, or have to endure gangs of state sponsored thugs joining them onboard. And the cruise lines have to consider the safety of their passengers.

This could escalate if the Argentine government does not put a stop to this nonsense. Word spreads quickly in tourism. Cruise lines are not stopping in Argentina because it is too dangerous? They could lose their hard-fought slice of South American tourism, the associated jobs and the dollars CFKC loves so much.
7 reality check (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 07:41 am Report abuse
Thinking this through and using their logic, you can now expect them to take legal action against P&O, watch this space!
8 toooldtodieyoung (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 07:42 am Report abuse
6 ElaineB

“But I thought Argentines said the cruise lines would never omit Argentina from their itineraries”

Yeah, I know, funny that innit?

“Or did Argentina ”demand“ that the cruise lines never omit Argentina from their itineraries.”

Either way, they can now sit back and relax in that warm glow of a job well done...............................
9 Boovis (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 07:59 am Report abuse
The next P&O ship going to Argie land will be SS Canberra 2 delivering repatriated troops from Falklands War 2.
10 reality check (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 08:13 am Report abuse
What was their catch phrase? “P&O cruises where Canberra refuses,”

It appears that 30 years on, P&O still has a back bone, well done them!
11 Huntsman Extraordinaire (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 08:24 am Report abuse
Brill news! Looking forward to seeing what they say about the Libertard tomorrow! Just a shame the IMF are back peddling for some reason.

Don't forget to get anyone you know to sign this petition! Spread the word!
epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/42558
12 Shed-time (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 08:38 am Report abuse
This will purely be an issue of insurance and security. One simply cannot protect the assets, customers and staff of the tour companies in Argentina because of a reincarnation of the Sturm Abteilung troopers under argentinian government control.

Better just avoid the place entirely and pay less insurance.
13 ElaineB (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 08:45 am Report abuse
@8 You know what the reaction will be. “We didn't want or need the cruise business anyway” and “Keep all the foreigners out, we don't need them”. It is a selfish perspective considering the efforts Argentina has made to build a tourism industry. They have worked hard at making the country a holiday destination with diverse attractions and it generates a lot jobs and hard currency for the country. This may only be one cruise line to start with but the tourism industry is inclined to follow suit if it thinks customers are at risk.

Argentina's loss will be Chile's gain. Chile's tourism is still in infancy and has huge potential. No doubt they will quietly profit from the cock-up of their neighbours whilst making soothing noises to the mad woman CFKC.
14 toxictaxitrader2 (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 08:51 am Report abuse
Reports of commonsense breaking out in Argentina greatly exaggerated
15 Shed-time (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 08:58 am Report abuse
They have 2 choices: a) avoid argentina completely; or b) hire a squad of mercenaries to protect the assets, customers and staff from the government Sturm Abteilung. I'd imagine the same could be said if plane companies were having their passengers and pilots forced to sign faux-contracts by government sponsored thugs. You would immediately close the service.
16 slattzzz (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 09:17 am Report abuse
Well i hate to gloat but I did say a couple of days ago P&O would pull them, Carnival will be next
17 JuanGabriel (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 09:22 am Report abuse
To be fair it is only two ships and one call each at the Falklands so not much in the grand scheme of things, but it is the correct decision from P&O and if their parent company were to follow their lead for their other divisions then it would be significant.
18 agent999 (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 09:48 am Report abuse
BA was a turnaround port, not just a port of call with excursions, so there will be a far greater loss of income.
19 LEPRecon (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 09:58 am Report abuse
@18 - agent999

Indeed. But every cloud has a silver lining: B.A.'s loss is Montevideo's gain. I'm sure Uruguay will be delighted at this news. More dollars for them, and nothing for Argentina.

Ah, yes, TMBOA's economic model is still in full action.

@11 - Huntsman

I think the IMF are taking pity on the people of Argentina by not upsetting the apple cart over the holiday period.

Unfortunately, Argentina won't be having a Happy New Year, as the IMF will give them the boot. That means NO ONE will lend them any money, and no company will risk investing in Argentina. Cristina's 'buddy' is on his last legs, and there is no guarantee that his successor will keep throwing Venezulan money at the hopeless case that Argentina has become.
20 GALlamosa (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 10:54 am Report abuse
Montevideo ?? What about continental solidarity ?? Maybe went out the window with moral rectitude and common sense.
21 Steve-32-uk (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 10:57 am Report abuse
'By Falkland, a giant of the cruise ships will not come to the Argentina - Carnival Group, one of the largest operators of cruise ships in the world, suspended Argentine ports of your 2013 season, which undoubtedly will have an important impact in the cities involved, which include Ushuaia, Puerto Madryn and Buenos Aires.
The latter will be replaced by the port of Montevideo, said today in a statement the group, who is of British origin and who opted for Falklands and United Kingdom when choosing which ports tied.
Ushuaia tourist industry already complained about the impact that will have the measure through the Agency Mercopress...'
'www.contexto.com.ar/vernota.php?id=93561';

'The British P & O Cruises stops operating in Argentina'
www.ushuaia24.com.ar/despachos.asp?cod_des=10446&ID_Seccion=302&Titular=La%20brit%C3%A1nica%20de%20cruceros%20P&O%20deja%20de%20operar%20en%20Argentina.html

'Cruise company suspends travel to the Argentina'
www.aimdigital.com.ar/aim/2012/12/14/empresa-de-cruceros-suspende-viajes-a-la-argentina/
22 BritishLion (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 11:12 am Report abuse
Strange how quiete it is with so few Malvanist trolls about...must be away on a cruise. hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah
23 downunder (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 11:12 am Report abuse
Its good to see that PO have done the right thing here. If the passengers have to choose between Argentina and the Falklands, I am sure that most of them would opt for the Falklands, so it is a sound commercial decision.
24 ElaineB (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 11:16 am Report abuse
I think that Argentina will try to bully Uruguay into refusing the P & O cruise ships. It will be a test to see if they will stand up to CFKC considering she has already tried to damage Uruguayan tourism by telling Argentines not to go there.

I am sure this will be written off by the Argentine government at just two ships from a British company but the effects could be so much more.
25 Idlehands (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 11:17 am Report abuse
Argentine efforts to throw their toys out of their pram have reached new levels of stupidity.

I'd love to have been a fly on the wall at the meeting where they concluded that attacking and inconveniencing paying customers would compel those customers to be more obedient.

It's a strange reality that they inhabit.
26 ChrisR (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 11:17 am Report abuse
It is about time we had something back from The Dark Country and I really hope that Carnival follows the trend.

Insurance concerns alone would dictate that must be a no-brainer, never mind customer safety and satisfaction.

There are great English speaking Policia Touristica specially trained in assisting foreign tourists in all the main areas: MVD, Punta del Este and Piriapolis. Their use has cut casual crime down enormously. They are easily recognised, they have little white cars with Policia Tourista very prominently displayed on both sides of the vehicle and to encourage tourists to consult them they park up in shopping areas and hand out leaflets about the area.

Great big cruise ship in Punta bay yesterday with all the tenders ferrying passengers to the harbour. At least two (Americans) made straight for McDonalds at Punta Shopping and sat near to us. They just love Uruguay having been here twice previously.

I didn’t want to upset their holiday by asking if they had ever been to BsAs or Argentina in general. ;o)
27 Brit Bob (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 11:31 am Report abuse
More good news for the Argentine economy and the CFK Comedy Club that is running Argentina. Typical Banana Republic incompetence of a failing state.
28 lsolde (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 11:34 am Report abuse
@TTT,
You know the old saying señor nostril, “be careful what you wish for as you might get it”.
Well, you wanted to be left alone, alone you shall be. Get used to it, loner.
Hard to believe a so-called modern nation could act this way.
Sad also when you consider the great potential Argentina had in the year 1900.
Just forget your ridiculous “claims” on our land & concentrate on rebuilding your own.
29 andy65 (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 11:52 am Report abuse
But I thought There was South American unity old Crissy will definately be dispatching Hector to the UN about this
30 Shed-time (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 12:03 pm Report abuse
The chinese say, 'sow good, reap good; sow evil, reap evil' and let's face facts, this is all as a result of Argentinians not ultimately caring about the customer.

They seem to think people should just turn up to their cities and spend all their money without anyone having to do anything. They blame neo-liberalism for no one buying their products, when I'm guessing they did nothing to sell or market them. It's like they think the business is more than it's customers...

...I...don't....understand...them.
31 Idlehands (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 12:16 pm Report abuse
The expression “You reap what you sow” flows off the tongue far better than that translated Chinese!
32 briton (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 12:26 pm Report abuse
Apparently these cruise liners are using the most newest maps,
And Argentina is not shown on them; it just does not exist,

Well done CFK, your country is disappearing of the world stage before your very eyes,
And not one country will miss it,
Still,
This does mean the islands will have to build new facilities to accommodate the hundreds of thousands of future tourist,

Luvery juberly ?
.
33 Pirate Love (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 12:29 pm Report abuse
Its a shame it has come to this, progressive isolation, bad news for the Ushuaia people who rely on the cruise tourism to make a living and seem to be the fall guys for B.As spiteful cruise policies, its a pity Crustina didnt think of them and the effect on their lives and before deploying her thugs in her attempt to harm The Falklanders way of life, a very amateurist move by a very desperate and amateur dictator!
where is the democracy? where is the freedom of trade?

Greatly deserved news for The democratic Peaceful Civilized and Prosperous Falklands,

SELF-DETERMINATION, keep smiling :)
34 Shed-time (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 12:34 pm Report abuse
@31 it sure slips off the tongue easier than '强龙难压地头蛇'.
35 andy65 (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 12:46 pm Report abuse
OK, I can understand if Argentina did not want British military ships using there ports but does't this policy just prove Argentina is trying to deny The Falkland Islanders of a living,how does the old botox queen explain her policy??
36 yankeeboy (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 12:47 pm Report abuse
Think, I don't have the time do you mind posting the links to where I TOLD YOU:
If push comes to shove the Cruise Lines will leave out Argentina.

I bet your blood boils every time my predictions come true

boils

Let's see what is next, oh yeah, devaluation/hyperinflation then a generational depression.

Even if CFK leaves by CR or Olivos by helicopter it will still happen. The path is assured.

buy sugar
37 Idlehands (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 12:53 pm Report abuse
To try to explain the Argentine actions in logical terms is to completely misunderstand them.
38 Conqueror (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 01:17 pm Report abuse
Let us all continue to contact the cruise companies. We must make every effort to persuade them that not one single cruise liner should visit argieland in the foreseeable future. Standing on the shore watching an empty harbour is so peaceful!
39 redpoll (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 01:27 pm Report abuse
@24 Yes Argentina will try and bully Uruguay but folk here are getting increasingly fed up that we have to follow the dictats from Buenos Aires at every turn and acquiescence to any such move would be most unpopular
40 LEPRecon (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 01:27 pm Report abuse
Maybe CFK is a true believer, and expects te world to end on 21 Dec 12, so it doesn't matter how much she buggers up Argentina.

I can think of any other logical reason for this self-destructive behaviour the Argentine government employs.
41 aussie sunshine (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 01:31 pm
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42 ernest shackleton (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 01:38 pm Report abuse
Aside from the Falklands issue, Buenos Aires should be dropped by all cruises and all tour companies because it has become really dangerous. Just last month I was there (reluctantly) for a few hours did a bit of shopping in Florida St and having just walked across (on the green pedestrian light) the wide main road at the top end (cant think of its name now) a maniacal-looking thug jumped on my back, grabbed my arm, wrestled my watch off, jumped back onto the pillion of a motorbike and off they went. This was in the middle of the day, on the equivalent of Oxford St, with thousands of people around - not one of whom appeared to notice. This is the 3rd time I have been robbed in BA, it really is a bad place, and this from someone who has spent many years in South Africa (mostly Cape Town) where nothing like this has ever happened to me. Like most people I didn't report the incident because I would have just wasted hours and most of the Arg police are crooks too - any Argie will agree with this. If the true (unpublicised, undocumented) crime stats were known, most responsible govts would be gving warning advisories. BA is a filthy and awful city, run by a corrupt govt - why would anyone, never mind Falklanders, want to be part of such a grubby country? Why cant the brain-dead morons screaming “Malvinas son Argentinas” understand that ???
43 reality check (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 01:46 pm Report abuse
@41ASS

WTF is that suppose to mean? You suggesting that Argentines should resort to acts of international terrorism over this matter?
44 Troy Tempest (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 01:48 pm Report abuse
@41 Argie sunshine

“brave move by P&O!! hope they are stepping up security on their world wide offices”

Ahhh, a Troll appears and, makes a THREAT.

Too funny. And SO Argentina!!
45 aussie sunshine (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 01:51 pm Report abuse
*43 Hey Reality f**** wit!! people are “fired” up in that part of the world!! who knows what goes on in their minds !! They have already attacked cruise offices!! Haven´t they??
46 reality check (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 01:59 pm Report abuse
45
Not as fired up as you! Yeaeh, they have attacked an office. I repeat, one office in BA! Do not make the mistake of assuming the rest of the worlds people have the same sick logic as you RG assholes!!!!!!!!
47 aussie sunshine (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 02:06 pm Report abuse
*46 The only ass hole on this site is you!! you silly f*****wit.
get a life HAHAHAHAHAHAH
48 Shed-time (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 02:07 pm Report abuse
Consider for a minute the well documented links between the La Campora aligned prisons and wardens, where they 'rehabilitate' pro-KFC offenders in super quick time (less than a year for murder), and get them back onto the streets ready to follow the orders of Maximo himself.

In a country like this... who wants to be a tourist?
49 Steveu (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 02:09 pm Report abuse
@46 They were so fired up and angry that, in the heat of the moment, they found a photographer to accompany them to take pictures of the whole thing.

How spontaneous is that?
50 Idlehands (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 02:10 pm Report abuse
I believe it is in the interests of the entire cruise industry to boycott Argentina as a whole. If that were to happen then Argentina would soon abandon this daft policy and guarantee everybodys safety so that the world and the cruise lines can return to normal sanity. Otherwise it might set a precedent and start to occur in other regions of the world over equally daft and unrelated issues.

The alternative will be a split between those that only go to one or the other whereby they both lose out to Chile.
51 reality check (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 02:15 pm Report abuse
Skippy

Calm down, I know this iscruise business is upsetting news, but no need to blow a blood vessel.

You'll be needing the Royal Flying Doctor service next.
52 Shed-time (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 02:16 pm Report abuse
Does this mean people will transfer in Chile or increasingly in FI? I think those FI folk need to get a wriggle on with their building of port facilities in order to capitalise on all this.
53 aussie sunshine (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 02:30 pm Report abuse
*51 ):
54 Pirate Love (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 02:30 pm Report abuse
@46 an aggressive act that argentina will no doubt reap, grab your popcorn “libertad” is up next, when ghana bends argentina over and teaches them respect, yet again!

As for world wide argentine terror, would that be a wise move, being a failed state is one thing but to be a failed terrorist state well thats just impressive and internationally condemned :)

SELF-DETERMINATION!
55 reality check (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 02:32 pm Report abuse
I still find it hard to comprehend that nobody in Ushuaia or BA, forsaw this as a possible outcome to these tactics. After all it is basically a 50/50 option. Surrender to the bullying or go elsewhere and as no one likes to be bullied, the second option seemed to be the likely one, common sense.
56 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 02:34 pm Report abuse
Well, and with this British leverage on Argentina has been effectively reduced further.
57 Pirate Love (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 02:37 pm Report abuse
@55 its called spite, Argentina are prepared to take consequences as long as The Falklands people do, maybe thats what passes as foreplay in argentina,
a very sad way to run a countries economy, but very typical!
58 yankeeboy (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 02:37 pm Report abuse
Toby, always looking on the bright side! I wonder how you can be so bitter and angry yet have such a positive outlook on life?

it's sarcasm if you didn't figure it out already
59 Shed-time (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 02:39 pm Report abuse
funny how tobias sees this as something started by the british side. Curiouser and curiouser.
60 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 02:39 pm Report abuse
I'm only bitter and angry at foreigners, because they are not argentine (and also due to their hostility).

Everything else is copasetic with me.
61 Pirate Love (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 02:39 pm Report abuse
@56 or argentinas blackmail and threats have backfired reducing argentinas leverage over The Falklands?? what you think?
62 War Monkey (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 02:40 pm Report abuse
@56 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#)
Dec 14th, 2012 - 02:34 pm

But you said we never had any leverage to begin with. Or words to that effect. So what have we lost? Nothing.
63 aussie sunshine (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 02:40 pm Report abuse
*55 What do you expect!! They can´t see 2 cm in front of their noses!
64 Islas Malvinas (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 02:42 pm Report abuse
Tourists must be amazed with the news.
65 War Monkey (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 02:42 pm Report abuse
@63 aussie sunshine (#)
Dec 14th, 2012 - 02:40 pm

But we can sniff out bullshit from any distance.
66 reality check (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 02:43 pm Report abuse
Spites the right word. I do not thing for one minute, that the people who will really lose out on this, the traders, tour guides, taxi drivers etc, in these ports, were consulted. All well and good going on about national pride. Pride don't pay the mortgage or feed and cloth the kids.
67 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 02:44 pm Report abuse
@61

But the British will defend the Falklands forever. So Argentina has no real leverage (and I never denied that in terms of the sovereingty issue, which in any event is a cause I object to).

So the only one losing effective leverage isthe UK.

@62

You don't have any leverage that is substantial enough to change our behavior. Not just you, neither the USA, EU, Brazil, Mercosur, China do... as you can see by our repeated escalations on all fronts, for years on end.

The rest of the world has had almost 15 years now to teach us a lesson (since 2000), and we are still waiting for the magic bullet to humiliate us to submission, allow you to destroy our economy by flooding your products in, have the government give up the Malvinismo, and make us pay our debts, and do as you say in anything else you fancy.
68 War Monkey (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 02:48 pm Report abuse
Nobody can influence irrational behaviour, I doubt anybody would want to try. You just keep hammering those nails into your own coffin chief. Nobody else is losing out. In fact, for the rest of us it is an opportunity too good to miss.
69 Idlehands (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 02:52 pm Report abuse
Totally unrelated to anything on Mercopress - just a shocking example of how humans can sometimes behave:

www.ghanaweb.com/GhanaHomePage/NewsArchive/artikel.php?ID=259446
70 Pirate Love (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 02:57 pm Report abuse
@67 argentina had and has leverage and acted poorly on that leverage, mainly through travel and tourism but that is waining by argentinas OWN aggressive actions,
stopping flights! harrassing threatening cruise companies! Oil company provocation! banning British ensigns in argentine ports! general pain in its own a55!
all in the name of Spite! and argentina has well and truly cut its nose off with The Falklanders.
“So the only one losing effective leverage isthe UK.” ,
as we both know this isnt true, but im sure your can explain why UK has lost any leverage??
I guess we will soon see in march 2013 :)))) , you believe in democracy dont you??

SELF-DETERMINATION,
71 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 02:59 pm Report abuse
@70

I do. “You” (plural) do not.
72 reality check (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 02:59 pm Report abuse
He's one lucky little lad, someone found him before it was to late. Sad to say this sort of thing goes on everywhere, here in the UK too. The mothers probably some poor frightened kid.
73 yankeeboy (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 03:02 pm Report abuse
Toby, there is no magic bullet, your destruction will be a series of small cuts until the economy bleeds to death.
And you didn't have “the world against you” until CFK shut off imports, which was this year. So now there is a coordinated effort with the USA leading the charge as pay back for boarding our military jet,
So it's only been a relatively short time that Arg has been in our sites. The Int'l community and laws move slow and steady. Everything is in motion now to destroy your economy.
Quite frankly it has gone on much longer than I imagined. Look how long Iran has held on but with both of you it won't be much longer now.
The path to a generational depression is assured.
74 Shed-time (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 03:03 pm Report abuse
@72 In rural india, female infanticide is quite common, and it's not unheard of to simply euthenise the baby and throw them on the pile with the pigs. Sometimes they tie them to a stick in the ground. And to be fair some lady in Wolverhampton threw her baby down a 50ft rubbish chute, so it's not like these events are uncommon.

The world we live in, is very different to the world lived in by others.
75 Pirate Love (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 03:07 pm Report abuse
@71 well spotted spelling error well done!, yet you seem to have avoided the question I asked you, i will repeat it for you.
“So the only one losing effective leverage isthe UK.” ,
can explain why UK has lost any leverage?? in your own time, im curious.

@69 ended well, cant think what was going through mothers mind, but she must have been desperate and scared, glad little boy was rescued, who knows could be future nobel peace prize winner right there.

Still, I Cant see Ghanians pulling argentina out of the sh*t anytime soon :)))
76 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 03:10 pm Report abuse
Yawnful.
77 Pirate Love (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 03:16 pm Report abuse
@76 is that your answer??
or maybe you cannot explain your comment on how Uk has lost effective leverage, usually when you make a comment its best to have a fact to back it up, or in your case...Not!
78 andy65 (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 03:20 pm Report abuse
I love seeing Nostrolldamus The 2nd slapped down you guys rock-not sure what the hairy Argentine women prosses are going to do that hang around port side
79 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 03:31 pm Report abuse
@78

Key word being “women”. Castrati Europeans are still men.

@76

You have absolute leverage on the Falklands, virtually zero leverage within Argentina.
80 reality check (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 03:32 pm Report abuse
They would earn a damn site more from war ships and oil men, than they would ever earn from Cruise ships. Perhaps the ladies should petition the Ushuaia Chamber of Commerce to get Cowboy Rodeorider Law revoked.
81 slattzzz (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 03:32 pm Report abuse
Funny how nostril anus was bumming up the Chinese a few months back when there was a sniff of a deal to be done, remember folks? Now nothing has come of it China get put in the same sentence as the bad boys, UK / US / China, who next on the naughty step nostril butt, all your close allies Brazil, Chile, Urugauy, oh thats right they are all profitting from your leaderships fuck ups, wise up numbnuts
82 reality check (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 03:36 pm Report abuse
He has too much of an unhealthy interest in European male genitalia for my liking!!!!!!!!!
83 malen (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 03:39 pm Report abuse
the cruises can also enjoy making circles round the isles to have all the views.
and they can also carry their fishing instruments, perhaps they can catch some argentine squid........:PPP
84 yankeeboy (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 03:40 pm Report abuse
Brazil pulling PetroBras out of Argentina is not a good thing. The “Close Ally” must be worried about nationalization and wants to get while the getting is good.
Shortly there will be no 0/g company with any expertise left in the country.
BTW Toby, you are wrong on UK influence with Argentina, UK is very powerful and respected in Int'l orgs. That is where they will get you. Don't forget they invented modern day diplomacy.
The noose is tightening day by day.
85 Anbar (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 03:41 pm Report abuse
whoda Thunk it Think it?
86 andy65 (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 03:48 pm Report abuse
LOL loving it Nostrolldamus The 2nd just can not compete with you guys
87 Britishbulldog (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 03:51 pm Report abuse
Word has it that all the cruise lines are now thinking of bypassing that shite country. What a wonderful move by the Argentinians, already in trouble they have now foooked up themselves with the cruise industry as well. always said that these South American colonists have no brains this proves it.
88 MrFlagpole (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 03:56 pm Report abuse
Well done Argentina. Boycott something else.
89 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 03:58 pm Report abuse
Principle over money.
90 andy65 (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 04:02 pm Report abuse
The Argentines prosses in the ports do not have principles they just want $$$
91 Pirate Love (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 04:02 pm Report abuse
@83 what a great idea, well done malen thats the spirit,great positive thinking to enhance The Falklands cruise tourism and economy , and once the Argentine squid have entered Falklands territory they become Falklands squid and open to legal fishing why not make it a tourist attraction, thanks for your helpful contribution :))) come again!!
ever thought about argentine politics as a career??
92 reality check (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 04:04 pm Report abuse
Oh yeah, like your principles over this matter is going to affect you financially.
93 yankeeboy (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 04:05 pm Report abuse
89. Planning on eating Soy pasta and bread?

Sounds yummy
94 andy65 (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 04:10 pm Report abuse
LOL this must be a joke even though 12 months oldAt a luncheon recently held in London, the Minister of Tourism for Argentina, Enrique Meyer and other guests launched Argentina's new plan to promote investment in the country's tourist trade; this includes the beginning of British Airways providing non-stop flights travelling between London and Buenos Aires beginning in March 2011.

“2011 will be the year of Argentina,” Mr Meyer said.

Guests at the luncheon included a select group which included CEOs of hospitality and real estate conglomerates as well as private equity and investment fund directors.

Explaining the plan, Mr Meyer talked of significant investment in Argentina's tourism infrastructure and training, saying:

”Argentina has the best prepared and best educated population in South America. This translates into superior service and greater customer satisfaction.

SO WHAT CHANGED.
95 Monty69 (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 04:10 pm Report abuse
79 Nostrolldamus The 2nd

Why would Britain want or need any leverage over Argentina? Argentina are the ones who want something to change, and this sorry episode is your country's attempt to apply leverage in order to force change.
96 yankeeboy (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 04:13 pm Report abuse
Can one of the RG posters answer a simple question;

When there are two riots going on kind of close to each other but for different reasons, like what happened with Tucuman and Boca the other night, how do you tell who is rioting for what and does it matter?
97 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 04:16 pm Report abuse
@96

Refer to your manual on “When two mass shootings are going on close to each other but for different reasons”... same analogy, really.
98 War Monkey (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 04:18 pm Report abuse
Argentine diplomacy.

www.google.co.uk/search?q=shooting+yourself+in+the+foot&hl=en&tbo=u&tbm=isch&source=univ&sa=X&ei=KlHLUJSgKueY0QX1hIDADw&sqi=2&ved=0CD0QsAQ&biw=1024&bih=644
99 yankeeboy (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 04:19 pm Report abuse
Well there was a mass shooting in downtown BA on the same day too wasn't there? It must get really confusing.
100 malen (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 04:19 pm Report abuse
Pirate Love Im here to help you, give me time Im going to give you more ideas for fomenting tourism. :)))))
Arg has offered you three planes a week full of tourists from BA, but you rejected. That one is out.
101 andy65 (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 04:23 pm Report abuse
@malen I guess they are wanting HIGH SPENDERS you can hardly expect plane loads of Argentines to fit into that catergory,can you immagine when the Aerolines Argentines land Alicia Castro opens the doors and theres a mass rush with the words POLITCAL ASYLUM PLEASE
102 War Monkey (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 04:24 pm Report abuse
Malen old fruit. I refer you back to post number 98. Lets see if you can make the connection.

That is Argentinian diplomacy, not FI diplomacy.
103 malen (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 04:28 pm Report abuse
I see you are very selective............welll the high spenders are arriving in those cruises, so be happy.
104 Monty69 (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 04:31 pm Report abuse
103 malen
They aren't particulary high spenders actually. They do behave nicely though and resist the urge to leave nasty flags littering up the place.
105 reality check (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 04:33 pm Report abuse
As opposed to people arriving on the islands by plane, who accept hospitality, then sneak out in the small wee hours of the morning to make offensive propoganda films, disrespecting the memory of the dead.

Don't think there's too many of them on the cruise ships.
106 Britworker (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 04:33 pm Report abuse
@76
Aren't you milking the victim thing just a little bit too much. You know, you have the British all wrong really, you clearly don't understand us a people. We really don't want an enemy if Argentina at all. You should look at this situation and reflect on it. You chose to use terrorism to try and harm the Falkland Islands economy. When has terrorism ever worked anywhere as a workable tactic against the UK. The Foreign Office has been very busy behind the scenes, quietly and proficiently dealing with Argentina at every turn. What this should reach you is if you try to hurt the Falklands economically, we will hurt you harder.
Every stick you use to try and hurt the Falklands with, we will take from you and beat you with it.
107 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 04:33 pm Report abuse
@104

Hmmm... Captain Obvious but... maybe there isn't much to spend ON in the Falklands??
108 andy65 (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 04:34 pm Report abuse
Not selective just honest,I just hope British Airways pulls it's daily out of Buenos Aires though it does very well due to your bancrupt airline Aerolines Argentines not being able to fly very far due to demands for fuel payment up front.
109 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 04:36 pm Report abuse
@106

And you understand us even less. The more you and the rest of the world try to “put us in place” instead of dialoguing with us, the more decades you add to us being antagonistic towards you.
110 andy65 (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 04:41 pm Report abuse
So what you saying

ARGENTINA ALWAYS THE VICTIM????
111 War Monkey (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 04:45 pm Report abuse
@109 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#)
Dec 14th, 2012 - 04:36 pm

Argentinian dialogue.

www.google.co.uk/#sclient=tablet-gws&hl=en&tbo=d&q=mugging+pics&oq=mugging+pic&gs_l=tablet-gws.1.1.0i10i30j0i30j0i5i30.7636.17376.1.22361.11.11.0.0.0.2.1470.4347.0j4j3j1j0j1j1j1.11.0.les%3B..0.0...1ac.1.2ZVE7hL6ZqE&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.&bvm=bv.1355325884,d.d2k&fp=9b851182162a96a2&bpcl=39967673&biw=1024&bih=644
112 Conqueror (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 04:45 pm Report abuse
@100 Who in their right mind would get on an argie plane? They never land with all the passengers they take off with. Sky divers perhaps? No. They'd have their parachutes removed to equip the argie military. I guess the Islanders objected to their tourists dropping unexpectedly out of the sky. Didn't think that one through, did you?
113 ProRG_American (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 04:45 pm Report abuse
www.buenosairesherald.com/article/119350/us-moves-to-back-argentina
114 reality check (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 04:47 pm Report abuse
Decades? if your talking about gaining the Falklands, your being rather optomistic are'nt you? Centuries would seem to be a more appropriate word.
115 War Monkey (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 04:52 pm Report abuse
More Argentinian diplomacy.

www.google.co.uk/#sclient=tablet-gws&hl=en&tbo=d&q=toddler+tantrum+pictures&oq=toddler+tantrum+pi&gs_l=tablet-gws.1.0.0i30.3947.12643.0.14666.18.18.0.0.0.1.1977.8768.1j3j3j4j2j2j1j1j1.18.0.les%3B..0.0...1ac.1.L4p9zSv76PQ&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.&bvm=bv.1355325884,d.d2k&fp=9b851182162a96a2&bpcl=39967673&biw=1024&bih=644
116 Britworker (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 04:53 pm Report abuse
@109
I fear you are confusing 'antagonism' with humiliation. To quote Yoda “fear and anger lead to the dark side” Iran, Syria, North Korea and the new guys Argentina! So sad.
117 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 04:55 pm Report abuse
@114

Then it is centuries. The Falklands in this scenario are not the focus but rather a manifestation of the larger point. Argentina has many grievances with the world, since the 1800s, in other areas, and we have not forgotten those either.

The main point being... the world severely undersestimates our capacity for long-term rancor. Most societies may forgive and forget within years... we take centuries. So the IMF, the WTO all that stuff you are doing to us... the world can forget about Argentina being a responsible, helpfu country for at least till 2070-2080 if not beyond. Because all alive today in Argentina will never move on.

Look at how we still don't forgive, or adore, Peron, depending on your view. Look how we still fret over things that ocurred in 1900.

That's proof enough, that the world has made us a VERY long-term problem. Perhaps, if they had traded with us fairly (not tried to destroy our economy), if they had done other things respectfuly, it would have been different.

Too late.
118 War Monkey (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 04:56 pm Report abuse
@116 Britworker (#)
Dec 14th, 2012 - 04:53 pm

Ignore him. It is cos he is Argentinian. Innit?
119 andy65 (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 05:00 pm Report abuse
@Nostrolldamus The 2nd Says “And you understand us even less” perhaps you could tell us all why in this interview the beauty queen pensioner Alicia Castro clearly says we British should come and visit Argentina because you are such nice frindly people and in the next breath that The falkland Islanders are antagonising the Argentines-this woman does as good for Argentina as her older sister Crissy Kirchner and thats no compliment.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkEMS7diuDc
120 Brit Bob (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 05:05 pm Report abuse
It just shows how pathetic and short-sighted the Argie government is. They are not capable of running a corner shop.
121 War Monkey (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 05:09 pm Report abuse
@117 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#)
Dec 14th, 2012 - 04:55 pm

You are not being clear about what you are not forgiving us for princess. I mean after all, 180 years or so ago we kicked out your illegal penal colony from the Falkland Islands. We then forgave you and moved on. What exactly is your problem?

Have you sill not forgiven the Ameridians for being in the way when you invaded Patagonia? Blimey I can't argue with that. You really do now how to hold a grudge don't you?
122 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 05:11 pm Report abuse
Argentina, Iran, North Korea, Syria,Cuba, Zimbabwe... better than Argentina, Spain, Germany, United Kingdom, United States, Italy, France.

Why? Not because of the company, but because we stand up and don't cower to the attempts of subjugation. That is all you in the north care about, to control, to subjugate, and to keep others down.
123 andy65 (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 05:14 pm Report abuse
@117 Nostrolldamus The 2nd Thank you for confirming how Argentines see themself “ARGENTINA ALWAYS THE VICTIM” but you would do better accepting that how you feel is due to internal issues like a military Junta that murdered its own people and succesive governmants since 1982 being corrupt,every governmant you have elected since the Falklands war have been dishonest and corrupt thats where your problems are you are sad and misguided to blame the rest of the world you are becoming bitter,twisted and evil.
124 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 05:19 pm Report abuse
Look, there is a saying in Spanish “Mejor solo que mal acompañado”.

Look it up.
125 andy65 (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 05:22 pm Report abuse
I speak English why should I this is an English speaking forum though I love it when you become rattled LOL
Hows Crissie doing today??
126 Britninja (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 05:24 pm Report abuse
@124 “It's better to be alone than in bad company”. Unfortunately when the “bad company” country is yourself, you have a bit of a problem.
127 Monty69 (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 05:26 pm Report abuse
122 Nostrolldamus The 2nd

This thread is about Argentina attempting to subjugate the Falkland Islanders.
There are plenty of other places that you can go to indulge in your sad conspiracy theories about how everybody hates you and is trying to destroy you, by such terrible means as making you pay back money you've borrowed, and by not allowing their shiny ships to be attacked by your state- sponsored thugs. Yes indeed. Poor you.
128 andy65 (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 05:30 pm Report abuse
@Nostrolldamus The 2nd perhaps you should feel alone it was nice to see the Chilean President in London mid November reafirming our two countrys close links, as you can immagine Crissy was not to pleased,you might need to change the word from alone to isolated the ways things are going
129 Steve-32-uk (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 05:32 pm Report abuse
Latest FI related news...

'Another cruise line cancels calls in Argentina'
www.usatoday.com/story/cruiselog/2012/12/14/argentina-falklands-cruise-ship/1769441/

'The enigma of the “Invincible”'
www.lanueva.com/edicion_impresa/nota/14/12/2012/cce030.html
130 scarfo (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 05:34 pm Report abuse
but because we stand up and don't cower to the attempts of subjugation.

youre confusing fucking it up, to standing up!!!
131 M_of_FI (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 05:48 pm Report abuse
@122 Nostrolldamus

You believe Argentina, Iran, North Korea, Syria,Cuba, Zimbabwe, all stand up to subjugation? Iran, Syria and Zimbabwe are shining examples of subjugation. Argentina closely followed by their atitude towards Falkland Islanders.
132 ProRG_American (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 05:49 pm Report abuse
www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/dec/12/royal-navy-officer-jailed-russia
133 CJvR (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 06:03 pm Report abuse
LOL!
Yet another own goal by the Argies, I really do pity the sane Argentinians that have to endure this freakshow of a regime.
134 Joe Bloggs (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 06:23 pm Report abuse
A P&O statement said: “In these past few months we have been working with the Foreign Office...”

:)
135 LightThink (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 06:26 pm Report abuse
This is a futile struggle/straggle away
whereas thats enough to write junk/useless like all these 70-80 comments to carry this disinformation article to the most commented column.

just a clue ;
[[[[[[[[[[ ... Argentina is one of the allies of UK ...]]]]]]]]]]]
dont forget this.
136 agent999 (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 06:34 pm Report abuse
@135
has Argentina got any true allies ?
137 andy65 (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 06:35 pm Report abuse
135 LightThink “Argentina is one of the allies of UK ” God help how you behave towards your enenmies if thats the caser
138 slattzzz (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 06:40 pm Report abuse
@132 he must have been an rg to fall for that.
@135 really, you are pissed mate, allies don't constantly try to shit on each other, you will never be an allie to us when you carry on this shite against our true allies and countrymen the FALKLAND ISLANDS in fact your going to be in a world of hurt if you carry onlike this.....FACT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
139 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 06:42 pm Report abuse
Yankeeboy have a shred of decency left and never make use of the word “univilized” again to address my country.
140 stick up your junta (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 06:47 pm Report abuse
@132
www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/feb/22/argentinian-intellectuals-question-falklands
141 slattzzz (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 06:49 pm Report abuse
@139 whats univilized?
142 Joe Bloggs (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 06:49 pm Report abuse
139

Yawn
143 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 06:50 pm Report abuse
@142

You are an indurate Tinman, then. PATHETIC.
144 LightThink (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 06:53 pm Report abuse
136
137
138

Lough........
Havent you learn Argentina yet ?
This nasty country is the ally of everybody meanwhile the enemy of everybody in the world.
Go and see this country ,you can easily many many British economic interests,guys ,companies.... there.
This nasty country is not a country but a kinky heap contains many many inside organizations in the reality.
145 Joe Bloggs (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 06:58 pm Report abuse
143

I'm tired of you changing the subject. The whole world has its faults but this thread is about cruise ships cancelling Argentina from their schedules. They are cancelling their schedules because of the actions of your shit president and her thugs. That's why people are putting your country down and to do that in connection with this story is justifiable.

If you want to condemn all of the non-Argentine countries, and clearly you do, fuck off onto an appropriate site somewhere and do it there.

The shooting figures in the US are dire- I agree with you. But remember this young man. The murder rate for Argentina is only fractionally (not even tangible to people going about their lives in both countries) lower that that of the USA.
146 LightThink (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 07:00 pm Report abuse
sorry

Laugh , not Lough ..........

Laugh..........Laugh...!
147 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 07:03 pm Report abuse
And more from the wonderful “ ” 'civilized' “ ” north:

www.cnn.com/2012/12/14/world/asia/china-knife-attack/index.html

Bloggs, this stuff is totally relevante here in fact. You people are bitching, bleating, whinging, ululating about two “thugs” roughing up some office of a cruise operator. You call it uncivilized...

What is someone going in with a nut, getting within touching distance of a CHILD (A LITTLE THING), and STABBING THEM!!!!

About someone going to a movie theater, a spa, a mall, a bloody elemantary and just shooting little kids, adolescents, and old people and splattering their heads!!

DON'T CALL US UNCIVILIZED. You have lost that priviledge long ago.
148 ElaineB (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 07:06 pm Report abuse
Gosh, are you trying, TTT, to deflect from your proclamation that cruise liners would never drop Argentina from their schedules?
149 Britninja (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 07:07 pm Report abuse
Trying to steal the territory of other countries, pilfering the assets of other countries, bullying its neighbours, reneging on debts, wriggling out of legal judgements, riots, toxic gas clouds, rampant crime, La Campora, scum attacking cruise lines, brainwashing school children with false history lessons, having ships seized by bailiffs, military vessels falling apart from neglect, giddy levels of inflation, record levels of WTO disputes, INDEC's blatant lies... There are probably a few dozen other things I've forgotten.

Basically, when is the last time Argentina actually did *anything* positive, impressive or worthy of praise? Nobody is interested in subjugating you, Tobi. No one would give a shit about a third-rate power like Argentina if it just conducted itself like a normal 21st century country, rather than a thieving basket case out to cause as much trouble and discord as possible.
150 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 07:07 pm Report abuse
@148

A cravenly political decision by a British company. They and their passengers are safer in this country than in any other in the Americas bar perhaps Chile and Canada and Uruguay.

For them to cite “security” is fallacious and laughable.
151 andy65 (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 07:12 pm Report abuse
150 @Nostrolldamus The 2nd “For them to cite “security” is fallacious and laughable.” BUT TRUE and thank god we have a FREE press to report it-CAN YOU SAY THE SAME????
152 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 07:13 pm Report abuse
Being a blatherskite does not increase the odds of your tendentious bunkum becoming any more factually accurate.
153 Joe Bloggs (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 07:14 pm Report abuse
148

The funny thing is that Argentina's murder rate is virtually the same as that of the US. The best deflection he can come up with is something the US is about as bad as Argentina at.
154 briton (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 07:16 pm Report abuse
Once again argie bloggers cry the victim in all this,

Everything that is happening today, yesterday and every other day before that going all the way back to 1982,
Has been argentines doing, argentine policy, argentine abuse, argentine aggression, argentine threats,

And then who goes running complaining to the UN , [argentina again]

She is systematically destroying her own country, for her deluded greedy ambition, to steal what is not hers,

And still, some indocronoughts stand by her.

Still,
If you give children matches to play with, [what do you honestly expect]
155 andy65 (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 07:16 pm Report abuse
@152 Nostrolldamus The 2nd Your the ones fighting a losing cause not us,The Great British
156 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 07:17 pm Report abuse
@153

Do you grasp the difference between just your average murder (the vast majority either murders of passion or “ajuste de cuentas”, i.e. related to a penuniary matter like drugs, etc), and the sort of just indiscriminate carnage that occurs in North America (or other parts of South America) on a daily basis??
157 andy65 (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 07:19 pm Report abuse
Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) How do you view dropping your own citizens from C1320s?? is that still a passtime played out by the pilitical elite in Argentina
158 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 07:21 pm Report abuse
For the record, I meant “pecuniary” not “penuniary”

@157

Fuck me, and then people accuse me of dredging up issues and events that took place decades ago???
159 andy65 (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 07:25 pm Report abuse
@158 Nostrolldamus The 2nd, But it might still be happening with Cristina trying to gag your press there must be a reason
160 ElaineB (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 07:26 pm Report abuse
Out of respect, can we refrain from flippant comments about mass shootings today? Those children were innocents.

On topic. Argentina should be more concerned with the knock-on effect of driving away tourism.
161 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 07:28 pm Report abuse
@160

Fine. Please feel free to make flippant comments about my country. Otherwise this forum would cease to function.
162 andy65 (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 07:28 pm Report abuse
@160 ElaineB, Well Nostrolldamus and his lover Crissy show no concerns
163 slattzzz (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 07:28 pm Report abuse
@147 I repeat my answer from earlier. Funny how nostril anus was bumming up the Chinese a few months back when there was a sniff of a deal to be done, remember folks? Now nothing has come of it China get put in the same sentence as the bad boys, UK / US / China, who next on the naughty step nostril butt, all your close allies Brazil, Chile, Urugauy, oh thats right they are all profitting from your leaderships fuck ups, wise up numbnuts. You always drag things up from decades ago as soon as you get shot down in shit and start losing the arguement because that's all you can do except resort to your thesaurus. And I suggest you check out the news from Argentina ref murders, muggings, etc just google it, I know you don't live in rgenweener but the info is all out there
164 andy65 (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 07:31 pm Report abuse
Old Nosrtrolldamus might claim to be Argie but you can bet he got out there long time back
165 briton (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 07:32 pm Report abuse
Perhaps this is a ploy by CFK to get British overseas aid,
After all if Argentina gets any worse,
Mr Cameron might just offer it..
.
166 ElaineB (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 07:33 pm Report abuse
@162 I know but today is raw.

@ 161 Not flippant. Why not give as actual opinion on the development. You thought this could never happen.
167 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 07:42 pm Report abuse
@166

You antis are a joke Elaine. There is nothing you say that can be believed in regards to Argentina. You in particular are an adroit confabulator, pace all other antis.

I'm not certain which of you is better, the antis who spit out mendacities filled with so much hyperbole and fantasy they qualify as mere jesters, or people like yourself who actually occasionaly do decide to redact some veracious information but then proceed to intersperse sly innacuracies.

I proffered my opinion. It is a British company, they have a political agenda. That is fine. You have a problem with comprehension. I limpidly wrote that “ships with legs in the Falklands” didn't apply to my overall assessment.

Subreption is a poor rhetorical device Elaine. Next time sleuth the entirety of my statements and then draw the appropriate illative.
168 ElaineB (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 07:45 pm Report abuse
@167 Still, you were wrong about it.
169 Leiard (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 07:50 pm Report abuse
“Nostrolldamus The 2nd” feast's on the misfortunes of others under the pretence that he is using them as examples of his perceived hate all posters against Argentina.

He is as bad as those that that commit these atrocities in the first place.
170 slattzzz (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 07:52 pm Report abuse
@167 nostril anus. Do yourself a favour and stop slavering shite, and Elaine is right you are wrong!!!!! Now take your thesaurus and some tissues and away to bed small boy
171 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 07:56 pm Report abuse
@168

What part didn't you understand? I am not wrong, the first analysis I made included the commmentary that “surely those ships that stop in the Falklands are filled with antis for the most part”... most people here will recall this statetement.

So far only a British company with stops in the Falklands has desisted from argieland, out of patriotism, which I respect.

I have not been proven incorrect, go read upon the concept of Subreption. You may not know what that means, but it is exactly what the act you are performing. It is tactically weak strategy amongst those of us with higher literacy... which is whom you should be trying to emulate anyway. But if you are satisfied with impressing the linguistically average individual here (nothing wrong with being that, I'm sure they are more resourceful in other areas), then you may in fact succeed.

But you are still not a strong debater.
172 LightThink (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 07:56 pm Report abuse
160

Dont care of this vile country / these cool cursed islands

Lets tour in a Carribean luxury class ship , exclusively You & i.
173 ElaineB (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 07:59 pm Report abuse
@171 LOL! Go back and read your own statement. You are wrong but as a narcissist you can never admit it.

No matter. We all read it.
174 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 08:02 pm Report abuse
@170

There is treatment for logophobia. If you don't understand low-frequency vocabulary, get a dictionary. My usage is not through a thesaurus... do you think I could respond so quickly if I was using one? Furthermore a thesaurus is not enough because you need to know how to use a word otherwise it makes no sense. Give credit (not because it is me), but because it is healthy to just admit even your most detested enemy has a redeeming quality.
175 Monty69 (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 08:07 pm Report abuse
171 Nostrolldamus The 2nd

The bit I had trouble with is; ''I limpidly wrote that “ships with legs in the Falklands” etc

Firstly because this is an incorrect use of 'limpid'. Whatever your English learner's thesaurus may tell you, modern English only uses 'limpid' to mean 'clear' in a literal sense, as in pools of water.
Secondly 'ships with legs in the Falklands' isn't clear (or even limpid). It's just gobbledegook.
Nobody's going to try to emulate you, because you're writing this from the naughty corner, where your teacher has put you on account of your colossal arrogance and failure to write basic intelligible modern English.

You aren't a strong debater. You use glaring logical fallacies on a daily basis, and if someone points them out to you, you ignore it and sail serenely on to the next one.

You can't debate for toffee. (And your mother smelt of elderberries). So there.:-P
176 agent999 (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 08:08 pm Report abuse
@174
Obviously there is no treatment for verbal Diarrhoea
177 slattzzz (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 08:09 pm Report abuse
In other words you talk shite
178 ElaineB (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 08:11 pm Report abuse
@174 LOL! The narcissist responds by telling everyone how marvellous he is. (Not)
179 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 08:19 pm Report abuse
@175

You do realize this is live right? I don't check what I'm writing, I don't proofread it, I don't use spellchecker, there is no proofreader, no editor, no director, no cross-editor, no sample reading group.

And yet in such books we can all find “mistakes”.

You want pedantry? I will engage you in it... You better cross all your t's and dot all your i's, I'll be scrutinizing all your responses from now on. So don't dissapoint me.
180 Monty69 (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 08:22 pm Report abuse
I think he's doing it on purpose just for laughs. It certainly makes me giggle.honestly, not much makes e chortle out loud, but 'sleuth the entirity of my statements' did. I think I might repost some gems with a laugh-o-meter reading to give some feedback; it must be hard playing to a silent audience.
181 Anbar (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 08:25 pm Report abuse
“”. Argentina has many grievances with the world, since the 1800s, in other areas, and we have not forgotten those either“”“

Pretty much ALL that Argentina has is grievances according to you - no wonder the cruiss avoid you now.

”But you are still not a strong debater.”

....whereas you are a mass debater?
182 ElaineB (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 08:25 pm Report abuse
@180 Yes, he does like the attention and I highly doubt his authenticity.
183 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 08:30 pm Report abuse
Claque time. Have fun cadre members.
184 slattzzz (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 08:31 pm Report abuse
yu r aving a larff right nostril anus
185 Joe Bloggs (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 08:39 pm Report abuse
182 ElaineB

When are you going to take a cruise or a flight to the Falklands for a visit? I'm pretty sure you said you haven't been here. You can take one of three flight options or, as you know, you can come on a cruise. You take a good interest in the islands so it would be nice for you to see them. A lot of the other posters from the UK have some connection to the islands but I'm not sure if you do or what it is. Either way we appreciate your contribution and support. Thank you.
186 Anbar (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 08:41 pm Report abuse
“yu r aving a larff right nostril anus”

he's a bit claquers for certain....0
187 Joe Bloggs (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 08:46 pm Report abuse
185

...and that goes for all of you loyal Falklands supporters who haven't been here before. We'd love to have you and show you a good time.
188 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 08:49 pm Report abuse
All you guys can do is personal attacks... harsh indictment on the level of debate of the Argentine Haters.
189 slattzzz (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 08:53 pm Report abuse
bless him he's away up the apple and pears to ave a laugh and then down the road for to the jack tar for a pigs ear then off for a ruby murray and home before the hickory dickory dock strikes twelve, all for under a score.
190 ElaineB (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 09:00 pm Report abuse
@185 Thanks. I have been trying to get a visit on my itinerary for the last two or three years. It would have to be a flight from Chile as I would want to spend at least a week or two there. Besides, cruises are my idea of hell. : )

My main interest and work is in The Americas but the Argentine obsession with your island pulls it into my remit.

On a personal level I just really want to visit a beautiful BOT. I am working on my next itinerary so fingers crossed I can work it in.
191 lsolde (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 09:10 pm Report abuse
@188 Nostril,
Oh do be quiet.
You become frightfully tedious after awhile.
Wallowing in selfpity, like your poor mis-understood & completely innocent country, who would never, ever do wrong to anyone.
Well, you're both as pure as the driven snow & the rest of the evil world is out to get you because you are just so................noble!
Arrrrrrrrrrrrggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhh, l can't stand it any longer.
Go & get a manual job, nostril. Work hard & sweat, sr pseudo-intellectual.
Do something for your country &
STOP FEELING SORRY FOR YOURSELF.
Poltroon.
192 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 09:12 pm Report abuse
“Poltroon”

Plaudits. Your effort was appreciated.
193 KFC de Pollo (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 09:16 pm Report abuse
@129 'The enigma of the “Invincible”'

i can't believe they're still going on about that. Its clear the boat had no damage at all!

“but we sunk it....” “we seriously damaged it...” “we scraped its paint a bit...”

funny how there is no image of it slightly damaged at all....

www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTs5ZUkjOAQ
en.mercopress.com/2011/02/08/falklands-war-carrier-hms-invincible-towed-to-a-turkish-scrap-yard
194 Joe Bloggs (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 09:41 pm Report abuse
Let's say we all just ignore Nozzy-boy. That would eat him up more than anything. Being as self-centred as he is and all.

190
You must find a way to do it. Via Chile is probably your best option, especially if you want to spend 2 weeks. You can only do 1 if you go via Argentina. It sure is a beautiful BOT and, even though I am biased, I have been to pretty well all of them so I can compare. St Helena has eluded me but I am about to go. Everyone who has been, and all of my many St Helenian friends assure me it is beautiful. Montserrat is one of my favourite Caribbean BOTs even though it doesn't have the beautiful beaches like a lot of other people like.

If you go to the Falklands make it for two weeks and book a decent itinerary before you go. Don't just turn up in Stanley and try it figure it out; you won't get to see the best places. Stanley Services or International Tours and Travel (both locally based) are the best agencies to book through. Just ask me if you ever get the chance and I can give you all the details.
195 Austral (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 09:55 pm Report abuse
It is just a sad indictment of everything that is wrong with the cronyism and shortsighted of Argentina, its government and people. Such a loss not to be able to visit BsAs but it is not worth the hassle, danger and petty bureaucracy that entering and leaving Argentina has become. Again, Chile and Uruguay will reap the benefits. Montevideo has a great future and is in many ways easier and more congenial for tourist day trippers and Chile is already attracting Chinese, Australian and other companies from functional economies as their South American bases. Personally, I used to get to BsAs at least once a year for business and a holiday. Business is drying up; the dirt, oppression and disfunctional financial environment has taken the pleasure out of spending personal time there. Is it is as bad in the other Argentinian cities? So so sad.
196 Furry-Fat-Feck (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 09:56 pm Report abuse
@188 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#)
Dec 14th, 2012 - 08:49 pm

Yeah yeah yeah. Everybody hates you. Change the record you whining prick.
197 Pete Bog (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 10:05 pm Report abuse
All this bodes well for the deep sea port in the Falklands. I believe shipping, not just cruise liners, will be a very important part of the economy in the Islands in the future and that unless Argentina try growing up, they will lose a lot of trade in the south as the new port in the FI conjoins with Chile.

Let's make no mistake, Chile Uruguay and Brazil are siding with Argentina over the Argentines claim to wind them up to make more F ups so that they as a nearby power are diminished. If they were all solid behind Argentina's claim then none of those countries would have any contact with the Falkland Islands or the UK whatsoever. In fact the Argentine would be a bigger threat to the Islands if they were actually friendly, logic, (cause and effect) which has bypassed them and if they lost their 'Argentina is always the victim' pathetisism.
198 ProRG_American (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 10:08 pm Report abuse
www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/dec/12/royal-navy-officer-jailed-russia

Face of Edward Devenney being added on Mount Rushmore
cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/4/2011/11/7e8cb3cf660741fc1a453bd9b4fe313f.jpeg
199 slattzzz (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 11:10 pm Report abuse
Pro arg you boring twat leave it out if you've nothing sensible to say be quiet and stay on the naughty step you sponging loser. Oops sorry you were in the USN weren't you .........not. Because no one in any forces would spout the shite you do especially as you would have signed the official secrets act eh you knob
200 Marcos Alejandro (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 11:34 pm Report abuse
“P&O cruise vessels choose Malvinas over Ushuaia, Puerto Madryn and Buenos Aires”
And the passengers?
Passengers that booked those cruises are dancing in the streets(or asking for the money back)

99 yankeeboy Fed B.
What a bunch of rednecks! Another shooting today in yankeeland?
Not in a movie nor in a mall this time, in an elementary school and 20 young children dead.
201 Monty69 (#) Dec 14th, 2012 - 11:59 pm Report abuse
200 Marcos Alejandro

Contemptible.
202 Troy Tempest (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 12:13 am Report abuse
@200 MA

Does that make you happy, Marcos?

You are off-topic.

Enjoy your holidays.
203 Marcos Alejandro (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 12:19 am Report abuse
202 Troy Tempest
No, it makes me sick you fool. Children are children.
204 Steveu (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 12:21 am Report abuse
@200 below the belt Marcos - you can do better than that
205 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 12:31 am Report abuse
Marcos,

These are the same “people” gleefuly indulging their Schadenfreude on the inflation article posting hyperlinks about alledged deaths of famished children in a Toba reservation. They have the gall of claiming not to see the hmm, hypocrisy, of their indignation towards those making light of the shooting in order to score debating points, and then five minutes later use the supposed starvation of children as cannon-fodder against the “trolls”.

Their disingenuous display of being in high dudgeon regarding the misuse tragic stories to gain discussion points is thus duly noted.
206 you are not first (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 12:35 am Report abuse
THE CHOOSE TO SEE A MALVINSE WITH ENGLISH ACCENT WHO CLAIMS TO BE MEMBER OF THE UK !!!!
IT IS AN AMAZING SPECIE ABOUT TO EXTINT THANKS TO THE GREAT LAND CALL ENGLAND
207 toooldtodieyoung (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 12:43 am Report abuse
So ( thanks to the short sightedness of the Argentine government ) The Falklands economy is going from strength to strength.

Argentina meanwhile, continues on a downward spiral...... Happy 17th December you guys!!!
208 Troy Tempest (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 01:48 am Report abuse
@203 MA

“No, it makes me sick you fool. Children are children.”

Why are you so “gleefully” posting that OFF-TOPIC link on this thread, except to gloat ??

It has nothing to do with P&O cancelling trips to Argentina in favour of the Fslklands.

Deliberate, staged violence by a state, Argentina, for economic and political purposes, is different than random violence by a deranged individual.
209 toooldtodieyoung (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 01:58 am Report abuse
205 Tito The Clown troll

Still talking b*ll*cks I see. Actually, I'm Beginning to see a pattern here.

206 you are not first

Please explain your post....... It makes obsolutely no sense whatsoever
210 Marcos Alejandro (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 02:05 am Report abuse
205 Tobias
I hear you, they find pleasure at someone else's problems(yankeedick and others) but God forgive something like that happens in their “perfect ”societies.
211 Troy Tempest (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 02:10 am Report abuse
@208

“Deliberate, staged violence by a state, Argentina, for economic and political purposes, is different than random violence by a deranged individual”

Unless the “deranged individual” is CFK, of course.
212 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 02:10 am Report abuse
@209

Why don't you elaborate upon your inane, asinine comments for a change? Talking bollocks, my post is completely accurate.
213 St.John (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 02:14 am Report abuse
“change to their turnaround port from Buenos Aires to Montevideo in Uruguay”
- exactly as I predicted a couple of weeks ago in:
en.mercopress.com/2012/12/03/argentina-rejects-complaint-accuses-uk-of-illegal-appropriation-of-malvinas-resources#comment194719

Drop Buenos Aires, use Montevideo as base port, Argentina loses several million much needed USdollars per cruise.
214 toooldtodieyoung (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 02:22 am Report abuse
212 Tito The Clown Troll

“in these last months we have been working with the Foreign Office and our local agents to obtain reassurances from the Argentine government that our vessels will be allowed to dock in the country’s ports. We have been unable to secure this reassurance and the risk that access is rejected or the vessel delayed is too high”.

Wow............. Looks like the Argentine Tourism industry is about to collapse as well, oh never mind......add it to the list huh Tito??? Or is this another one of things that “You don't discuss”???

I would hate to be the Minister for Tourism or whatever they call it. His / her head will definately roll for this one.... another scapegoat for KFC / TMBOA's / Ol' Turkey Neck's mistakes....

I didn't say talking bollocks, I said talking b*ll*cks, get it right, Clown
215 Troy Tempest (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 02:23 am Report abuse
@210 Marcos A

What about your ship Libertad??

Isn't it tomorrow you either get it back, or lose it forever?

It might make a nice exclusive little cruiser around the Falklsnds.
Having once been a flagship it should have no problem outrunning the old rust bucket navy of that bankrupt state in LATAM.
216 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 02:25 am Report abuse
Talk to yourself then. Silly nincompoop.
217 Marcos Alejandro (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 02:35 am Report abuse
Troy Marionette
'Deliberate, staged violence by a state, England'
I agree, after all they are the ones sending their nuclear subs and other warships(prior to their trip to Turkish scrapyards) to our country in order to hold a colony in Argentina 14000km away from London.
218 Brasileiro (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 02:38 am Report abuse
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Us-TVg40ExM
PEACE FOR ALL PEOPLE IN THE WORLD!
219 Troy Tempest (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 03:08 am Report abuse
@217 MA

“'Deliberate, staged violence by a state, England'”

Couldn't resist answering, could you?? :-)
Tell me, what violence? Don't know what you are talking about. Do you mean the violence 30 years ago that slapped down some nasty pirates??

All is peaceful around the Falklands, now. And you know RN ships can't come near Argentina ports.

I was talking about the staged terrorist attack, complete with photographer, on a cruise ship booking office in Buenos Aires. Lots of threats and broken glass, along with demands that Cruise ships do not visit the Falklands.
220 Terence Hill (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 03:14 am Report abuse
Thank you, for this beautiful musical segue.
221 Troy Tempest (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 03:24 am Report abuse
@217 MA
Waiting for the news on Libertad.

Libertad = “freedom”, right ?
222 Marcos Alejandro (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 05:02 am Report abuse
The square-jawed talking puppet Troy learned a Spanish word, impressive.
223 Gordo1 (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 07:34 am Report abuse
@222 Marcos Alejandro

Please advise us all exactly where there is a colony on Argentine territory.
224 Joe Bloggs (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 09:16 am Report abuse
Will Chile and Uruguay refuse entry of cruise ships heading to and from the Falklands to demonstrate their declaration of support of CFK over the said islands? Or will that degree of support be swamped by their degree of support of earning some lovely Green Backs?

Chuckle chuckle (in a haughty voice)
225 lsolde (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 09:25 am Report abuse
@224 Joe Bloggs,
Careful with that word “haughty”, Joe.
l'm nearly sure Squatter Think has it copyrighted!
But l think you're right about the greenbacks! lol
226 Think (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 10:00 am Report abuse
(224)
Meanwhile, the 110 is idle parked at the Bloggs residence ......
227 ElaineB (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 10:11 am Report abuse
@194 Thanks for the tips. : )
228 toooldtodieyoung (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 10:46 am Report abuse
224 Joe Bloggs

No... They are a success story arn't they?

Friendship is friendship but business is business!!
229 Joe Bloggs (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 12:43 pm Report abuse
LOL

CFK and her band of sad Malvinistas tell everyone that Uruguay and Chile on on their side. After all, that is what their presidents told her. But what are they doing to support her? Apart from saying they are supporting her. Ha ha. NOTHING! In fact they are doing things to thwart CFK. LAN is backward and forward each Saturday, the ships are to and fro between both of those SA countries and the Falklands. Our business communities are trading heavily and planning more trade all the time. Uruguay and Chile have both sent Government-supported trade delegations to the Falklands recently.

227 You're welcome ElaineB. The majority of tourist who visit love it and a lot come back more than once.

226 LOL. If only that were true but the 110 is forever on the move. I need to make the most of her because she's about to turn into, dare I say it, a Disco. Mrs Bloggs got her way like she normally does.

Why is it that Chile and Uruguay aren't helping your government's position over the Falklands Think?

Chuckle chuckle haughtily!

228 You said it my friend.
230 Pugol-H (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 02:05 pm Report abuse
Yet another front opens up in Argentina’s eternal wars, against all and sundry.

Once the Falklands open their new deep water port, the rampant inflation, imploding economy and associated instability in Argentina will make the islands the preferred destination, by far.

Outcome, yet another Pyrrhic defeat for Argentina.

@ 200 Marcos Alejandro
Beneath contempt.
231 ChrisR (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 03:24 pm Report abuse
229 Joe Bloggs

A Disco! Your wife will LOVE to drive it, hope you have something else for you (I seem to remember a Japanese something or other?) because you will not get YOUR hands on it.

Does anybody on the Falklands (there are STILL no Malvinas you prats) have access to either the official LR software package or to a clone (of which there are a few now)? It is vital to use the updates on a regular basis because LR are always ironing out bugs mainly to the body computer.

Funny things happen quite often with the electrics and the canbus: these can be problamatical to cure to say the least. May I suggest you contact LR direct if you are unsure about access to the right equipment. They have been known to LOAN this stuff if they think it will increase sales.

Happy driving! ;o)
232 Marcos Alejandro (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 03:28 pm Report abuse
221 Troy Tempest @217 MA
“Waiting for the news on Libertad”

The wait is over marionette, enjoy your breakfast with another Argentinean victory.

223 Gordo1 You can't see it? Is your large panza blocking your view?
233 slattzzz (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 03:38 pm Report abuse
@232 you obviously didn't read the last sentance did you
It wasn't immediately clear whether the ruling is final and whether it can be appealed.
I suspect that it will be appealed. By the way hows your corvette getting on in South africa
234 Pirat-Hunter (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 03:51 pm Report abuse
do to the English as English do to others, Australia and UK expropriate and auction pirates or set their equipment on fire Argentina should use international laws to do the same to the British illegal aliens.
Here is a link for the road to follow to teach this criminal to respect the laws in Argentina.
235 Troy Tempest (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 03:56 pm Report abuse
@232 MA

Argentine diplomacy:

Dec 11,2012

“The situation escalated last month when a group named, “concerned citizen of Argentina” hacked the official website of Ghana’s Ministry of Justice and Attorney General and issued a warning to the government of Ghana to release the vessel in 3 days or face their wrath as they threatened to attack all government website, banks, stock exchange, gold and oil companies, water companies and publish all of Ghana’s personal banking records on the internet.”
236 Pugol-H (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 04:01 pm Report abuse
@234
The law in Argentina is a matter for Argentines, the problems start for you when you try and apply Argentinian laws in British territory

And anyway you don’t seem to be able to apply your laws in Argentina, never mind outside of it.
237 Marcos Alejandro (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 04:04 pm Report abuse
Cry to Aqua Marina Troy buuuuaaaaaaa

www.youtube.com/watch?v=0iULyLwvV-A

Victory!
238 Terence Hill (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 04:06 pm Report abuse
234 Pirat-Hunter

You've got to be kidding right. If Argentina followed the precepts of international law she wouldn't be pursuing ludicrous and illegal claim to islands.
239 Pirat-Hunter (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 04:15 pm Report abuse
Do to the English as the English to to others, Australia and UK expropriate to auction or set on fire all pirates equipment as Argentina should be doing to drilling rigs and illegal cruise ships entering Islands Malvinas Argentina, if the government won't do it we Argentine must take the laws in our own hands, we demand protection from pirates and international theft of resources. We demand drones to sink this ships, and we won't stop until they get sunk.

www.abc.net.au/environment/articles/2011/12/13/3389001.htm
en.mercopress.com/2012/09/15/funds-from-confiscated-illegal-fish-used-to-combat-poachers-in-southern-ocean
240 slattzzz (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 04:22 pm Report abuse
@239 are you going to post that shite every day dickhead after all it's only from 2011, the only drones you'll hear of is the continual drone from rgenweener. Demand what you like you'll get fuck all, now do us a favour and slink back under your rock there's a good malvi
241 Joe Bloggs (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 04:28 pm Report abuse
321 ChrisR
I hope she likes it. She was in a friend's the other day for the day and that was that. Order placed. Yes it sounds like I'll be assigned the Japanese chariot for the rest of time now. Still, it's a capable little thing and not too old so I'll be fine. And we may keep the 110; not sure yet. There's plenty of room in the drive.

I don't know about all that technical stuff you mentioned but the local Land Rover dealer is reasonably competent I think so hopefully no problems with anbuses (whatever they are. LOL). We've bought our last couple from them and they've always looked after us. Didn't actually go through them this time though so I hope that doesn't upset the apple cart. I know it shouldn't but, island life and all...

232
A victory?? LMFAO

Only a sad Malvinista on here could have its nation's flag ship detained against its free will for 3 months and then call it a victory when finally getting it released. I'm glad the crew will finally be going home albeit with their tails between their legs but it's hardly a victory.

239 Pirat-Hunter
“We demand drones to sink this ships, and we won't stop until they get sunk”.

From whom do you demand these drones?
242 slattzzz (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 04:41 pm Report abuse
@239 you are a complete plank aren't you? Only you could call your flagship being kept in Ghana for three months a victory, of course that's if it gets released of course after all there will be bills to be paid. I feel an appeal will be incoming very shortly, what would be funny is if HMS Edinburgh or our nuclear sub was sat just outside the harbour and requested a change of identities by flashing light, how's ara espora doing by the way is it now an extended refit or have you given up on her?
243 Pirat-Hunter (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 04:42 pm Report abuse
#241 I can only demand things from Argentina since I am Argentine, I would much rather they had a good nuclear defence program so I could feel safe enough to come back home and end the illegal British occupation, but that seems out of the question for now, that's why I settled for some sort of defence program rather then the political revolving doors we being walking for years at the UN.
en.mercopress.com/2012/09/15/funds-from-confiscated-illegal-fish-used-to-combat-poachers-in-southern-ocean
www.abc.net.au/environment/articles/2011/12/13/3389001.htm
244 Joe Bloggs (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 04:56 pm Report abuse
243 Pirat-Hunter

Are you trying to say that you feel afraid to be in Argentina because of the presence of the UK military in the South Atlantic?
245 slattzzz (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 04:59 pm Report abuse
@243 ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ. Dickhead !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
246 Think (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 05:13 pm Report abuse
(241) Joe Bloggs

You didn't buy your Missus Disco through the FIC?
You are dead meat, matey!
You will NEVER be allowed to buy your stuffed penguins at the Capstan Shop again...
I could tell you many horror stories about people commiting smaller crimes than that on bigger Islands....... and lived to regret it but......
I dont want to ruin your Weekend....
;-)
247 Zethee (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 06:54 pm Report abuse
Another nail in Britian's south Atlantic.....

Oh, wait.

The last weeks news is quite frankly hilarious. As is the poor excuse for a positive outlook Nostro tried to spin on the situation. Equally hilarious is the fact that as high as his perch along with the part of himself that is wedged firmly up his buttock he still falls for the basic Argentinian trait of believing that anyone cares about his crap country.

“the world has made us a VERY long-term problem”

Classic stuff, If Argentina put it's entire nations resources behind the singular purpose of becoming a problem i assure you that you could stlll find more problematic issues such as a clingy fart that refuses to dissipate.
248 Pugol-H (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 06:58 pm Report abuse
Nothing to stop you building your own, or buying them from elsewhere, if you have the foreign currency that is.

Alternatively if you’re on a budget, try Airfix.
249 Pirat-Hunter (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 07:32 pm Report abuse
#244 if Argentina had a nuclear defence program I would feel secure and not under occupation, more like a right rather then fear, if I was fearful I would be quiet and hiding like most Argentines living in Argentina but I am not under threat since I am not in Argentina I can freely take a stand and not fear retaliations, some has to say the honest truth.
en.mercopress.com/2012/09/15/funds-from-confiscated-illegal-fish-used-to-combat-poachers-in-southern-ocean
www.abc.net.au/environment/articles/2011/12/13/3389001.htm
250 Joe Bloggs (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 07:40 pm Report abuse
249
The Argentines I know in Argentina are not hiding from anyone. I'm not sure what you mean. Do you mean you'd be hiding from the British or from your own government?
251 Diddles (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 09:44 pm Report abuse
Argentina a very silly but also a very sadly comical story as it continues to self-distruct...a country that relies a lot on tourism dollars is doing its very best to destroy its reputation as a worthwhile and safe destination to visit. I have a workmate here in Sydney who is setting off to Buenos Aires and Iguacu, before heading off to Ushuaia to take a cruise to the Falklands and onto South Georgia and Antartica.....thanks to these silly muppets that support CFK and may well need to follow my advice and head off to Punta Arenas.....still, as an Aussie married to a Chilean, I can assure him like anyone else that Punta Arenas is destination worth visiting in its own right and offers the exciting prospect of not only sailing or flying off to Antartica, but heading up to Puerta Natales and the world class Torres del National Park, three hours up the road from Punta Arenas.

Good effort Malvinistas, Chileans will welcome your efforts to promote their nation as a more viable and safer tourist destination...keep shooting yourselves in the foot....by the way, I was talking to an Argentinian mother, with a boy in my son's cricket team, who shakes her head in disgust at the Malvinistas silly exploits....Argentina really does deserve better, but its not helped by a poor education system that promotes such foolishness.

As for fools like Timmerman, etc....a very sadly pathetic ruling class is dragging that nation down the toilet. Still, if their economy continues to hit the skids, even many of their supporters will start to see the writing on the wall.
252 Troy Tempest (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 10:06 pm Report abuse
@243 ALEX VARGAS

PH- “#241 I can only demand things from Argentina since I am Argentine, I would much rather they had a good nuclear defence program so I could feel safe enough to come back home and end the illegal British occupation, but that seems out of the question for now, that's why I settled for some sort of defence program rather then the political revolving doors we being walking for years at the UN.”

ALEX - you know that if you leave Canada, you won't get back in!!

You're “afraid” of the Brits in Argie?? Is a population of a few law-abiding, peaceful Brit civilians a threat to strike fear into the hearts of the 40 million brave Argentinians??

LOL !!! You ARE a wimpish little fool aren't you??

Tell the truth, if you left Canada (never to return) you would have to scratch out a living in BA or hope to survive in your claimed native Salta !!

In spite of your aggressive bluster, you don't have the desire to eke out a living in Argentina ( living on other people's sausages), nor the skills to do so!!
253 shb (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 10:12 pm Report abuse
@Troy Tempest

I love watching the Argentinians make prats of themselves trying to take the mickey out of your username.
254 Troy Tempest (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 10:26 pm Report abuse
@253 shb

Yes, ironic that the Trolls call me a “marionette”.

I know a puppet when I see one ! - Troy Tempest

Feel free to quote me on that.

LOL
255 Pete Bog (#) Dec 16th, 2012 - 12:01 am Report abuse
@239
“We demand drones to sink this ships, and we won't stop until they get sunk.”

If you launch any drones ( which you don't have and your aircraft are falling to bits-you could try radio controlled Pampas I suppose), they will
a) get blown out of the sky way before they reach any ships.
b) Their bases will be tomahawked.

Not a smart idea.
Also I notice your ' demand demand demand', is followed by nothing happening, nothing happening, nothing happening. Typical Argentine response from your fairy never -never land.
256 ProRG_American (#) Dec 16th, 2012 - 09:04 am Report abuse
No Limey tourists welcomed anyways. They have bad teeth and smelly feet.
257 Shed-time (#) Dec 16th, 2012 - 09:18 am Report abuse
@256 it's good that we wipe our @rses then, unlike argentines who clearly don't.
258 Escoses Doido (#) Dec 16th, 2012 - 11:14 am Report abuse
Bad teeth, smelly feet, - And money.

Money.

What a bunch of ignorant fools the Argentine government are.

Spectacular.
259 Pete Bog (#) Dec 16th, 2012 - 12:06 pm Report abuse
@256
“They have bad teeth and smelly feet.”

errr no-the ones off tourist ships have no problems with personal hygiene, and also they have lots of money to spend, which Argentina has very generously said they can spend in Uruguay Chile and the Falkland Islands instead of in Argentina.
I applaud this Argentine generosity as do the rest of South American and the South Atlantic.
260 Escoses Doido (#) Dec 16th, 2012 - 01:43 pm Report abuse
They named the law after a common murderer.
El Gaucho Ribeiro being some kind of rebel is a complete lie.

The Argentine National Academy of History considered in 1966 that Rivero and his followers were common criminals driven by no patriotic feeling, and Argentine historian Laurio H. Destéfani wrote in his 1982 book on the history of the Falkland Islands dispute:




This is the true story of what happened proof of which is stated in 42 documents published by the National Academy of History. Attempts have been made to create a legend about courageous gauchos who attacked and defeated the British, but this is just imagination. The truth as recorded in those documents does not authorize the creation of myths or legends
261 slattzzz (#) Dec 16th, 2012 - 05:10 pm Report abuse
@256 well i hate to think what you've got after your drug induced binges sussie, shouldn't share needles
262 downunder (#) Dec 17th, 2012 - 12:51 am Report abuse
251 Diddles. Precisely! And very well put.
263 Escoses Doido (#) Dec 17th, 2012 - 04:01 am Report abuse
I've got two words to say about Argentina.

Shite, and Shite!
264 Troy Tempest (#) Dec 17th, 2012 - 05:01 am Report abuse
@261 slattzzz
Yes, Slattzzz

I'm thinking that ProARG is 'sussie', also.

Not surprising really.
265 lsolde (#) Dec 17th, 2012 - 06:15 am Report abuse
l think that sussie isn't smart enough.
Not that ProArg is smart in any way but he/she/it is probably a notch or two higher than that deadbeat, sussie.
And thats not saying much!!!!!!!!!!
266 Troy Tempest (#) Dec 17th, 2012 - 08:03 am Report abuse
@265 Isolde
“Not that ProArg is smart in any way but he/she/it is probably a notch or two higher than that deadbeat, sussie.”

Hmmm, you might be right. Sussie may not have opposable thumbs yet.
267 Pete Bog (#) Dec 17th, 2012 - 01:52 pm Report abuse
@260
Also embarrassingl for the Argentines, wasn't Rivero one of the members of Vernet's settlement in 1833 that was quite happy to stay under the British flag (after Captain Onslow paid the Gauchos in silver rather than Vernet's discredited paper money), rather than leave?
268 ChrisR (#) Dec 17th, 2012 - 04:10 pm Report abuse
NO, NO, NO!

It's all theirs!!

You know it makes sense (well, to the deluded supporters of TMBOA anyway).

;o)
269 Musky (#) Dec 19th, 2012 - 08:03 pm Report abuse
@260ED
True, Rivero was prompted to murder islanders for financial gain, even murdering a noted SA called Ventura Pasos or something. The point being that argentines have introduced a law bearing the name of murderous thug, Imagine the UK introducing a law called the Peter Sutcliffe Accord. Just shows their historical perspective was written up by some headless chickens!
270 JohnN (#) Dec 20th, 2012 - 01:46 pm Report abuse
Falklands and South Georgia make a nice cruise ship tour loop.

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271 Rosarino (#) Dec 20th, 2012 - 02:47 pm Report abuse
Perfect!

British companies prefer british companies- Sounds great- Please, don´t stop never anymore in our country-
We have a law, and don´t whant to help your ships in route to Malvinas-

EVEN THE FLIGTHS CAN BE ACHIEVED as Gaucho Rivero LAW---- nice situation right?
272 ChrisR (#) Dec 20th, 2012 - 03:50 pm Report abuse
271 Rosarino

More gibberish I see and what's this about a murderers law? AG going to promote FatBoy Cokehead to be the substitute, he is after all a bit of a cowboy.

Ha, ha, ha.
273 Escoses Doido (#) Dec 20th, 2012 - 11:47 pm Report abuse
Aye 271 Rosarinho,
So you also want to give LAN Chile the extra buisness?

It aint even mutch of a detour to just fly round cape horn (as opposed to flying over the Magellan straight)

If Argentina prohibits flights from Punta Arenas from using their airspace, - Its no real problem. Plus the fact there are flights from th UK direct in to Mountpleasent airport on the Falkland Islands. (malvinas?)
274 Pete Bog (#) Dec 21st, 2012 - 05:42 pm Report abuse
Its actually hilarious that even the Junta withdrew the name Puerto Rivero in 1982 when they discovered he was amurdering thug. Besides which I doubt Rivero saw Stanley unless his gauchos rode that far from Port Louis.

Still, history not the Argentine's strong point according to the crap they tell the guillible UN.

Do the Argentines have any important historical figures that aren't actually murderers?

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