Law of the Sea court orders ‘immediate’ release of ARA Libertad
The UN International Tribunal for the Law of the Sea ordered on Saturday the release of ARA Libertad, the Argentine naval training ship which has been detained in Ghana since October at the request of holders of defaulted Argentine state bonds.
The Argentine navy's tall sailing ship ARA Libertad, was retained in Ghana's port of Tema on October 2 at the request of US hedge fund NML Capital Ltd, which says Argentina owes it over 300 million dollars on bonds which have been in default since 2002.
The Hamburg seated International Tribunal for the Law of the Sea president Judge Shunji Yanai of Japan said the court ruled Ghana should release the Libertad “immediately” and provide the assistance the crew needs to leave the port.
“Ghana must release with no conditions the frigate, guaranteeing that the vessel, its captain and the crew can leave the port of Tema and ensuring their provision” said the unanimous ruling.
The trial was initiated by Argentina 14 November and can not be appealed.
Argentina had argued the United Nations maritime convention gives warships including unarmed training vessels immunity from civil claims when calling in foreign ports.
Creditors including NML have won several billion dollars in damages over Argentina's bond default in US courts, but they have largely been unable to collect because most Argentine assets are protected by sovereign immunity laws.
Argentina refers to funds like NML as ”vulture funds“ because they buy distressed or defaulted bonds and then sue in international courts to get paid in full.
The UN court considered a statement from Argentina that attempts by authorities in Ghana to move the ship ”could lead to an escalation“ which could lead to ”incidents which could endanger life” Judge Yanai said.
The court also considered Argentina's claim that the ship could not be maintained correctly during its arrest and that the vessel' safety could so be endangered.
A skeleton crew remains on board the Libertad after around 300 crew and naval cadets were flown home to Argentina in October.
A government official in Ghana said the foreign ministry was preparing a statement, and could not immediately comment.
Ghana had said the issue involved complex legal action between bondholders and Argentina and that the separation of branches meant Ghana's Executive could not overrule a court decision.
Both countries must pay their own costs. The two countries must provide a further report to the court by December 22, 2012, to enable the tribunal to make further examinations of the dispute, Yanai said.
However the return could be delayed up to two months because of the preparations for the trip, “it’s not going to be an easy exit”, said Argentine Foreign ministry sources.
The Argentine legal team headed by Susuna Ruiz Cerutti was expecting a favourable ruling and the Argentine Navy had already prepared 100 crew members of which an estimated 40 will be leaving to Ghana as soon as possible to begin the return operation.
The ARA Libertad on a naval cadets’ promotion global trip had already called in Brazil, Portugal, Spain, Morocco and Senegal when it arrived in Tema October first. The following day she was impounded and a 20 million dollars bail was demanded for her release. All cadets, some of them form other countries and guests of the Argentine Navy, and most of the crew, approximately 281 abandoned Ghana a few days later and a skeleton crew of 44 were left on board.
A nasty incident almost occurred when Ghana port authorities tried to forcibly move ARA Libertad to another berth alleging the docking space was needed for commercial vessels.
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Cue “The UN and the tribunal of the sea are in the pockets of Argentina, are corrupt and no good” in 3, 2, 1...
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Argentina, are corrupt and no good”
you are correct on that :)
“not sure if the ghanaian courts will accept this ruling”
“higher court”
Which one is that... the Intergalacitc Spacevessel court of Yoda??
HAHAHAHAHA.
All in all, a good month….
Good news from NYSE (YPF)
Good news from Hamburg (Ship)
Good news from Mexico City (Cars)
Good news from Buenos Aires (Press Law)
Good news from Puerto Estanley ( No Ships )
Good news from New York City (Vulture Funds)
More good news from Puerto Estanley ( No - Oil )
Precisely as the “Doomsday Preppers” had “Predicted”
Gee man those Turnips couldn’t even predict BLR Nelson & BLR Nigger peeing on Dover’s pillboxes :-)))
Operative word = 'asks' which is not the same as 'orders'.
Two months to get her ready for sea? What a slack arsed and incompetent outfit.
im no legal expert so i guess only time will tell.
Argentina, are corrupt and no good”
you are correct on that :)”
AHAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!
typical brits scum,pirate,thief!
A weeks a long time in Argentina and anything can happy. Alot of these -victories - are by no means conclusive. Meanwhile Argentina -the country with it all- continues lurching from week to week from one sensational event to another with a highly polarised society with all and sundry protesting and more in the works becoming more and more intense. We'll see if Argentina or the government is still -winning- next year. I dont wish ill of Argentina quite the opposite but just saying its not looking good for next year.
YPF..shameful
International defaults and debts..shameful
Trade protectionism..shameful
Press Law..shameful
Cruise ships...shameful
However, from your list the “no oil” in the Falklands is the interesting one. “soon” will be though..chuckle
And of course the best one missing from your list “Ban KI Moon”. Chuckle chuckle, he doesn't seem to agree with things that you have been claiming on here.
I guess Argentina had a lot of used notes in bags being passed around in motorway service stations.
End of.
What’s wrong with you Turnips?
What’s wrong with MercoPress?
Can’t you Turnips read?
Can’t MercoPress “Quote” from a text without “altering” it?
Brainwash anybody?
Hereby the “Real” text from the “Inapelable” Tribunal....:
”INTERNATIONAL TRIBUNAL FOR THE LAW OF THE SEA
15 December 2012
THE “ARA LIBERTAD” CASE
(ARGENTINA v. GHANA)
Request for the prescription of provisional measures.
ORDER
THE TRIBUNAL,
(1) Unanimously,
Prescribes, pending a decision by the Annex VII arbitral tribunal, the following provisional measures under article 290, paragraph 5, of the Convention:
Ghana shall forthwith and unconditionally release the frigate ARA Libertad, shall ensure that the frigate ARA Libertad, its Commander and crew are able to leave the port of Tema and the maritime areas under the jurisdiction of Ghana, and shall ensure that the frigate ARA Libertad is resupplied to that end.
(2) Unanimously,
Decides that Argentina and Ghana shall each submit the initial report referred to in paragraph 103 not later than 22 December 2012 to the Tribunal, and authorizes the President to request such information as he may consider appropriate after that date.
(3) Unanimously,
Decides that each Party shall bear its own costs.
In the Free and Hanseatic City of Hamburg, this fifteenth day of December, two thousand and twelve……
Shunji YANAI
President
www.itlos.org/fileadmin/itlos/documents/cases/case_no.20/C20_Order_15_12_2012.pdf
Argentina DEMAND the immediate free-trade of our exports to all nations of the world. In exchange, we will desist from imposing a 200% tariff on all foreign imports, instead leaving this at a generous 75% (up from 35% now).
A relenting of 125% in the inbound tariff should be accepted by all who want to trade with us, just like the 30% for a dollar deal was accepted by all the bond holders.
“I think it is time to begin an worldwide offensive I agree with Pirat and Think.”
LOL, now you're not making ANY sense.
You must be giddy or stupid.
Therein lies the reason your economy is up the spout, a complete lack of regard for marketing and sales.
hAHAHAHAHAHA
As in cases before the ICJ, both parties must agree that the UN has jurisdiction over the dispute. From the outset Ghana has contested this, as explained in it's written statement to the court.
“Ghana considers, however, that the resolution of this unfortunate dispute must comply with the relevant rules of international law, which are not to be found as such in the Convention. Accordingly, as matters currently stand ITLOS does not have jurisdiction to order the provisional measures requested by Argentina.”
Judge Yanai can make as many orders as he wants. If Ghana hasn't agreed to be bound by his decisisons they are meaningless.
However I would imagine that Ghana will take the opportunity to have it dealt with and put it the whole sorry affair behind them.
No doubt Argentina will expect Ghana to comply with the ruling, even though Argentina ignores ruling which go against it.
Don't forget everyone to sign the petition below and get everyone you know to sign and spread the word about this petition!!!
epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/42558
#24 obviously you think higher taxes automatically means we want to trade when in fact it is a settled invitation for them to go to hell maybe the word block didn't sink into such a thick skull, But hey if it doesn't sink we might have to crack it open, someone will have to make that choice soon, and for that reason I support a nuclear defence program 100% made in Argentina.
I've been hearing about the IMF deadline for about a year now. LOL
:::skirl sounds in the background:::
Months have past and many trolls like yourself were quoting it would be days until the release... and hey don't forget you have to pay some dollar for your costs before you sail the mighty sailing frigate from Ghana
Toby text maximo to send some dollar
They just need the bomb.
They have the delivery system and how to get it to Buenos Aires. In fact they have two:
cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/11/2012/01/53034d1d5601527f89caf46c9799c912.jpg
tune in next week for a brand new episode of “Argentina The calamity”!!!
oh and The Falklands still remain BRITISH ;)))
2. The decision shall have no binding force except between the parties in respect of that particular dispute.
I would have thought that NML could now invoke its various judgements and take possession of the boat. NML is not bound by the ITLOS judgement. There's bound to be more. NML will have been prepared. I wonder if an appropriate court could order a warship to arrest the Libertad at sea and tow it into a more suitable port.
Still, it’s only one thing and there are many, many more disasters awaiting The Dark Country whilst it is mismanaged so badly by TMBOA and her gang of crooks aka ‘Ministers’.
I am not going anywhere and I can bide my time the circus isn’t over yet, there are many more AG clowns waiting for their 10 minutes of ‘fame’ or infamy.
LoL, they would certainly bring most Argentinian men to their Knees.
goverment assests belongs to Argentina
www.key.aero/view_feature.asp?ID=3&thisSection=military
www.tesco.com/groceries/Product/Details/?id=274842845
Wevdemand a 50% tax in all exports to nations giving refuge to the vultures or british illegal aliens we demand inmediate action.
Nuclear weapons for Uruguay, they could deliver it with a rowboat.
@50 want to bet on that?
@51 arabs i take it you mean your friends in iran the rest don't need them as they are friends Saudi, Bahrain, Qatar, Kuwait, Oman and the the UAE they can borrow ours to wipe out any infidels like rgenweener.
@52 can you afford tissues, you won't shortly
@53 well if that amuses you good luck in life
Argentina will continue fending financial pirates ”and the pirates that are on Argentina Malvinas Islands!!!
It's amazing, a small shred of good news and they think are invincible. There are no winners in nuclear war my friend, we have them too you know. The only realistic thing you can do with nuclear weapons is not use them. In any case, you can't even manage to export your lemons, let alone develop nuclear weapons, oh and your not allowed to either!
Forgive me for being naive...
''Argentina don't have to pay Ghana a cent''
So who is paying the massive mooring fees?
The full TRIBUNAL ruling text included in the below article...
'The Sea Court ordered the release of the frigate Libertad'
www.lanacion.com.ar/1537339-fragata-libertad-expectativa-por-el-inminente-fallo-del-tribunal-del-mar
'UN court orders Libertad frigate release, to arrive in Argentina on Jan 9'
www.buenosairesherald.com/article/119436/un-court-orders-libertad-frigate-release-to-arrive-in-argentina-on-jan-9
“But the Tribunal will be wary of setting a precedent one way or the other, and will probably use the fact that this isn't a dispute between nations so outside their remit, to wipe their hands of the problem.”
But he was wrong.
Can you tell me / us more about yourself please?
i.e. Age, job history, city you live and anything else you may wish to share...
thanks in advance for your reply...
@63 Wot, no pointless links to unconnected Facebook pages or LinkedIn profiles?
In your post you refer to “we”. Is this the Royal “we” ,or are you speaking for the whole of Argentina who no doubt you have canvassed and received 40 million “yes” votes.
Britain developed its own nuclear weapons as a defence against the Soviet Union when there were fears of its expansionist moves into western Europe.. It has been said time and time again that it is not a first strike weapon. If it had been used then it would have meant that Britain was already a smouldering pile of ash.
As Argentina has no nuclear weapons, it means that you are not a potential target. If they did aquire them and continue with their belligerent attitude against the UK, then, no doubt contingency plans would be made to put you on the list of POSSIBLE targets BUT you would have to fire first.
You are rather cavalier in your attitude to nuclear war.
You know very well that the UK would NEVER attack Canada so you would be quite safe, coward that you are, cheering from 6000 miles away.
I think the great naval commander, RN retired, is annoyed with you. I met a little prick like him in Canberra, Australia once. The only military person I've ever met with an attitude like this dick. I was on exchange at RMC and he was on exchange as well but working in one of the big DoD offices in the city. The Aussies hated him and I couldn't blame them. They used to call him something really funny but I can't remember what it was. It'll come to me. He used to tell them how useless their military was compared to the UK's (not true at all by the way). He had a right chip on his shoulder. I was worried that he was doing a lot of bad to our reputation but the Aussies assured me they knew it was just a case of a single jerk; everyone has them. I don't think this prick has mentioned Australia but I wonder. Early 80s. Hmmm....
Quite simply, I don't believe you are British, either come clean or answer my questions...
“I think it is time to begin an worldwide offensive I agree with Pirat and Think”
I can feel the rest of the world trembling now at the mere mention of this “Argentine worldwide offensive”.
Clowns
in the mob and the rest as a reservist (not slagging them by the way), thinks he knows everything when in fact he knows fook all. Lets test him what is the name of the Royal Navys data link DOD, who and what is the address of your navy pension, and where did you join up and official number ?
“A block on imports from nations taking cheap shots at Argentina”
Especially on spare parts for your armed forces- an excellent idea.
“Let's remind everyone that even in Cuba you can buy budwiser cheaper then in USA.”
Is it cheaper in Cuba than in Argentina then?
@20
“Victory for Argentina”
Libertard isn't out of the port yet-ever heard the phrase-never count your chickens before they are hatched?
We in UK are crying but with laughter as only an incompetent nation would allow this to happen. And we are going to get many more laughs at the expense of the comedy act running Argentina.
@21
”imposing a 200% tariff on all foreign imports, instead leaving this at a generous 75% (up from 35% now). “
Great idea, especially on spare parts for your armed forces which all come from overseas.
@50
”I say,gives nukes to the arabs”
Try it. the last I heard, Argentina did not have any nukes. But if it makes you happy, hand over a cardboard cutout of a nuke and listen out for all us brits laughing at you (yet again). A fairy tale of your vivid imagination, just the same as your illegal and technically unproven claim for the Falkland Islands.
@51
“Crying Brits”
Yes, we're crying with laughter at the fiasco of the the Libertard being impounded in the first place. Your country has provided us with such fantastic comedy we must thank you. By the way,to put this in perspective (a concept alien to Argentina's present government) how many Royal Navy ships have been impounded in this way?
@53
“Wevdemand a 50% tax in all exports to nations”
Go ahead-infact why not increase this to 90%?
“We demand,We demand,Wevdemand”
None of this demanding actually gets you anything.
@34
“I support a nuclear defence program 100% made in Argentina”.
You can support it as much as you like-it is as likely as the Argentine forces phasing out the current equipping of every ration pack with a white flag and standard letter to the Brits-'please send us home after kicking our asses-again'.
Great post, I mean GREAT POST!!!!
I love the last bit about the white flag and the “Please return” letter
Classic!!!
On a par with a great bogan victory when , due to a technicality, the finance company is told to give the bogan back his repossessed car.
There shouldn't have been a need to arrest/repossess it in the first place ya dickheads.
Of course not. The vultures should have been put in jail long ago, but your corrupt, venal “justice” systems have not arrested ONE person for the 2008 financial crisis, now have they?
Galactic-sized ineptitude.
Well it has to be said that with the release of the Libertad, you are actually one step nearer to your dream of reconquering the Falklands.
At least now your navy has a ship capable of reaching the Islands unaided, when you try and re-invade.
@56 puerto Poofda
I would say “nuclear weapons for Chile”, but they don’t need them to kick your asses back east of the Andes.
The nice songs they sing about you being “so gay”, and having “lost your Islands somewhere”, being “somewhat dim-witted” like you are.
It must be a nice warm feeling for you, knowing you are surrounded by neighbours who think so highly of you, willing to standby you, or was that against you?
#56 british homo, no one likes you, call your mother she will tell you.
#57 sorry but self determination dictates that you have no say in the political or defense inclination of any other nation but your own, that being said thanks for your contribution and come again, but we Argentines still support a nuclear defense program 100% made in Argentina.
#58 that's not what I stated. But we both know better, denial is futile, we think a lot of good can come from a nuclear defense program 100% made in Argentina.
#68 I was talking about a nuclear defense program and you are clearly talking about nuclear war when in my post I never said anything about nuclear war, so now that you mention the possibility of a war I would like a nuflear defene program to protect Argentine's from that war you mentioned, that why I keep mentioning the nuclear defence program and not a nuclear program. Get a grip even latinos have the right to protect themselves and be secure.
Cowards don't piss in Your door steps.
#76 you mean Islas malvinas Argentina, i think you know very well that Argentine's do not like corporations like fakland island holdings to theft the natural resources by few british illegal aliens. Give us the choice and we rather have coca Cola take over. You know what you can do with them!
#76 I settle for a 50% and yea sure 90% if things Keep getting worst with the vultures, you do know that it's only your opinion, and that anyone can disagree, that is ill be me.
#80 it could only happen in ghana, I think a book can easily be turned into a blockbuster comedy.
#83 and how many bankers did UK or USA put in jail for robbing people? Or wait I think they bailed everyone out with tax payers revenues.
If USA and UK couldn't punishment the bankers how is Argentina going to do it? Now can you tell us again who the real incompetent and corrupt are
? People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
“a nuflear defene program”.
Hummm.
Wot, you mean like Star Wars!
“Use the Force Prat”.
“These are not the Drones you are looking for”.
That should get them past the British radar no problem!
LOL, You are like the “Dark Side” of Conq Skywalker !
All in all, another bad month...
Bad news from NY with Repsol suing Chevron (YPF)
Bad news for the economy (Even higher inflation)
Bad news from Panama City (another WTO complaint)
Bad news from Buenos Aires (Press Law)
Bad news from Ushuaia (Less and less Ships)
Bad news for the most (quality of life dropping, gas clouds, floods)
More bad news as 2013 energy imports will break records (No investment)
Precisely as the “Anglo Doomsday Preppers” had “Predicted” :-)
Considering how healthy turnips are, perhaps you should eat more.
OK, I will.
I mean, I did say so. :-)
We won't pay our debt, while my country dies under 25%inflation myself and my rotund son maximo grow even richer by embezzling the RG dollar jajajajaja
we have grown in stature during this embarrassing long drawn out humiliation, it shows our true power and standing in the world.
Excuse me, I must leave now. Here comes another Bubbly for the positive news that is yet to come.
YEAAAH, MAKE IT POP BABY! OOOOOH YEAAAAH!
www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGTdElWC-Ko
Argentine Surrender Falklands War 1982
www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhLzDC6bLPE
I see that I’ve gotten y’all squirming with my little party. Just a little practice for when I see the RG colors flying over Port Sta….OOOPs…. Puerto Argentino and Lady T’s funeral.
Ahh! Thanks for the little flick, but I believe that you really intended to show this one.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGiqEkPZ8RA
It was funny while it lasted.
How about this one, where CFK gets her shirt off?
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gt_GUYaCE6c
yes my mistake so many to choose from
FALKLANDS CONFLICT - The Surrender
www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVHjKLIDAUY
and as for having another go please do as these poor lads missed out cos you jacked it in so quick last time
Gurkha's are disappointed to hear that the Argentinians surrendered
www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZA7Uf6fP1Vg
This court has made a fool of itself. None of its judgements will be respected in the future. Ghana should make every effort to take the matter to a higher court if one is available to them - their justice system has been totally disrespected.
International law defines a warship as a ship belonging to the armed forces of a nation bearing the external markings distinguishing the character and nationality of such ships, under the command of an officer duly commissioned by the government of that nation and whose name appears in the appropriate service list of officers, and manned by a crew which is under regular armed forces discipline.
“76 you mean Islas malvinas Argentina,
No, I do not mean ”Islas Malvinas Argentina“” I mean the Falkland Islands run by the Falkland Islands Government . If you go to the islands you will not find any Argentine government there or the occupying pirate squatters who were given the boot in June 1982 (just incase you have forgotten or contracted senile dementia). Go there if you do not believe me.
I wil lnow say something that every Falkland Islander will slate me for and for which they may wish me to get stuck in a peat bog without a bumper jack or planks, or even worse.
If Argentina want some type of titular sovereignty over the Falklands to shut the winging barstewards up-let them inhabit the minefields (not Yorke Baythat's too good for them)and put up their blue and white dishrag up there. They can raise the flag every day, sing their anthem and then go BOOOOOOOM! everytime they try to use their new territory, blown up by RG mines.
You have not managed to justify Argentina's claim for the islands as there is no coherent claim, just one based on myth and your fairy never -never land imagination
.You say Malvinas is ours which has exactly the same legitimacy as me saying that Ushaia is British because we settled it before you lot did in addition to other parts of Patagonia/Terra del Fuego.
Logic and cause & effect, not your strong point is it?
#76 I settle for a 50% and yea sure 90% if things Keep getting worst with the vultures, you do know that it's only your opinion, and that anyone can disagree, that is ill be me.#
Great, because if Argentina imposes such taxes, less people will import your produce, meaning you will have no money to update your armed forces. This means that any attempt to attack the Falklands will result in the UK teaching you a lesson you will never forget and with the eradication of your remaining armed forces you will suffer more debt.
Why not put the tax up (try 500%) so nobody will buy your produce?
Fine by me mate.
A nuclear defence program means that you would retaliate in the event of a nuclear attack. As it must be obvious even to a thicko like you that the UK has no intention of attacking mainland Argentina unless you attack us AND nuclear weapons would not be involved, what is your rationale for needing them. To boost your “macho” ego and so you could threaten your neighbours ?
If you want a nuclear defence program, ask the Americans and they MAY sell you their Patriot missiles - -hard cash dollars only !
I hadn't seen that before, or certainly not recently. It's interesting seeing the Argentine people in disbelief that they had been lied to about their success. It's so sad that as a people they have allowed themselves to be treated the exact same way again by Kirchner. The look of disappointment on the faces of the Ghurkas when the Argies surrendered was so funny, you really wouldn't want to mess with them. It's also shocking that they left their soldiers there to freeze and starve at the end because they could not accept defeat, what does thay say about Argentina.
Last I heard it was still in South Africa with the German firm who have the maintenance contract wanting their arrears paid and the job to be paid for up front before they did anything.
Have there been any updates?
@51 Why? Do you want some? Here's something more appropriate for you: www.tesco.com/groceries/Product/Details/?id=258036637
@52 NOW I understand! War. Ja. Invasion. Ja. Killing. Ja. Blitzkrieg. Ja. Murder. Ja. Concentration camps. Ja. Gassing. Ja. Starvation. Ja. Final Solution. Ja. Und zo: JAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJA. All hail der Fuhrer!
@53 Demand all you like. Go even further. Demand that the sun only shines on argieland the cesspit. And GO HOME! Stop stinking up Canada.
@56 Once upon a time.........
@83 On the other hand, YOUR corrupt, venal judicial system is busy destroying the last memories of democracy and justice.
@85 Poor little impotent alex. Still feeling inadequate because of that inanimate lump? And no balls? MEN have balls, alex. So you're not entitled. Have you had a bath, a haircut and a shave yet? Still on welfare?
@91 We'll allow you “sovereignty” over what is yours. (The cesspit). But “dignity”? You haven't had any “dignity” since the 40s!
@93 Don't be concerned. You weren't missed. You do know that her “own goal” is the only one CFK can see, don't you?
@95 How are you planning to live past 1,000 years of age? CRYogenics?
@103 Where's the Libertad's markings then? Below the waterline where they'll be visible when it turns turtle before sinking?
@104 Are you getting angry? Not surprising when you have to read the stupid comments of the dumb bastards. Just remember that Vargas is a coward. Over time he has tried to sabotage a number of websites. Of course, he has never dared travel to the cesspit. Welfare payments are so much better in Canada and he might not be allowed back in. All his “activities” are symptomatic of an inadequate no-hoper. Should we feel sorry for him? Nah. He's unsane. Deranged. Immature. Psychotic.
Is this your facebook page?
www.facebook.com/you.lier.35?fref=ts
or should I call you Marcos?
still the vessel has still yet to leave ghanian waters ?? what a complete calamity...
a relatively tiny company versus a very large country, and the company hold argentina to ransom dragging on for months and continue to do so, now that is impressive, and highly embarassing for Crustina and her all surrendering nation of heroes.... :DDD
what a f*kin joke of a regime, seen by the world for what a vile pile of incompetent, corrupt, self serving, sack of shite The argentine government are.... :))) Its all good!!! did soembody say RED CARD??
‘Ghana Says It Will Abide by Order to Release Ship’
abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/ghana-abide-order-release-ship-17989752#.UM3HhuRWzTo
‘Gov't to take a decision on ARA Libertad after court order’
www.ghanaweb.com/GhanaHomePage/NewsArchive/artikel.php?ID=259622&comment=8656699#com
‘“Vulture Fund” criticized the ruling that ordered the frigate release’
www.eldia.com.ar/edis/20121216/Fondo-buitre-critico-fallo-ordeno-liberar-Fragata-20121216094406.htm
This incident should never have happened in the first place. Argentina shouldnt have got itself into such massive debt and then in desperation signed up to these 'vulture' funds which then pursue Argentina relentlessly.
The release of the ship is not a victory. Its a lucky escape and really nothing to be proud of.
See Dopeyoverdover has never answered the question I set him @75
“Ghana courts ordered the ship held on a claim by Cayman Islands-based NML Capital Ltd. Its owner, American billionaire Paul Singer”
And today
“Ghana's government said Sunday it will abide by the U.N. Tribunal's order for the immediate release of an Argentine navy training ship”
American thief Singer, the British colony in the Caribbean and his African friends lost.
Argentina won.
As I said at 26, I am glad the ship is soon to be homeward bound. As for a victory? Tell that to the personnel who “resigned” over it and all of the cadets who didn't get their training in the past few months. Argentina still owes the funds the money. Still Marcos, if you to knock the top off it, you go right ahead.
Saxons live in Saxony, a state in Germany. What this football match has to do with the Germans beats me.
#117
The Falkands will probably become an independent country in the near future - not part of Argentina.
In time my good man. In time. I predict my grand kids will be the first generation to vote for independence.
@121 it doesn't matter Joe what you say they see it as a victory bless them, not even enough common sense to be embarrased by the whole situation, people losing thier jobs and probably careers matters not a jot. They think the debt will now dissapear and truth be known no Argentine ship will ever visit anywhere outwith SA for the foreseeable future including the Libertad
Ghana won by applying the rules of law. Argentina as usual, loses by continuing to flout the rules of law.
England is Saxony! The Celtas people and the anglos and bretões defeated in many years ago. England is Germany.....Saxony germans!!!
Your spin is as vertiginous as the gyrations of stars round a black hole.
Roman Empire no more exist, brother......live your lifes in peace!
The impotence of being compronted with a juggernaut of debate and veracity.
What are you on about now?
Argentina and Brazil are countries stuffed full of colonists but your English is so poor the rest of your post is unintelligible.
Sorry.
It is the ultimate triumpth of collected southern reason over irascible and waspish northern fallacy.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvjNtJr4h4s
It really doesnt matter what the reason for the nationalism is , they just suck it up and feel warm inside with this false sense of unity. Its one of the most socially divided, unequal, politically unstable countries in the world. And thus to make up for this division and instabilty and to feel secure they go nuts for nationalism.
This in turn takes them away from the responsibility of fixing the social, economic and political problems. Vicious circle. Its easier to get drunk on nationalism than to face upto and fix the problems and the causes that prevent Argentina being as rich and equal societies as those of Scandanavia for example.
@140 No i think a lot of other Europeans, Aussies, Americans, Kiwis, Falkland Islanders etc etc would look on you as an idiot
Well, that sounds just about British in reasoning. Thank you for elucidating to us.
Get help. Really. You are very sick.
And btw, we are one of the most politically stable nations on Earth, if not the most stable. Ripping flatulent opinions from your back cheeks does not make them any more real.
@144
And who the hell cares what you Sinoeuro-amerkiwistralians believe? You are people who have no sense of education, can barely read or perform arithmetic, and have a limited vocabulary or culture of history/geography.
I'm not interested in impressing people with the education level of a 5th grader from yesteryear.
Get help. Really. You are very sick.
The law is clear. British ships need not apply. That is the law and must be respected. It is the British who claim it breaks some chimerical “Laws of the Sea”.
You yourself have just said a UN court cannot adjudicate over the sovereingty of the Ghanaians. But you are the same people who for months obstreporously insisted that UN law trumped sovereingty, and that Argentina was obligated to allow any ship that called.
I just showed the Britishness of that position, and you all go into an impotent swivet.
It would appear that P&O understand just how clear the law is and are respecting it.
Guess so.
@152
Yes, and people fighting for emancipation and the manumit of slaves were also breaking the law in most of the planet in the 1800s.
I guess we know what side you would have backed then.
You did know that the song you so admired is a rip-off from the William Wallace fantasy by the drunk girlfriend and mother of his child beater and Jew Hater, Mel Gibson who hammed it up playing the role of Wallace. He was betrayed by many Scottish Clan Leaders (much like AG today) and was defeated in battle by Longshanks, the English King, Edward 1st.
The film bears as much allegiance to historical fact and truth as the pledge of support to TMBOA over the Malvinas (WTF they are) by all the other Presidents in SA. In essence: none!
BTW have you thought that your unintelligible posts are as a result of your lack of intelligence? I am glad to be of help in pointing this out to you – always the first step on correcting defects.
The English of course knew how to deal with rebellious people: subvert their ‘close knit society’, set up both sides against the other and then pick the strongest / shrewdest to support.
Of course this is impossible to do with AG, no close knit society, ALL sides are at each other’s throats but they are all a bunch of wussies and none of them show a glimmer of shrewdness!
Proof read before you press send.....comPronted ?
The meaning of juggernaut in English is “something out of control”
Hmmmm.
#123 Brasileiro.
Your knowledge of British history is rather simplistic and wrong in factual detail. The Saxons did not defeat the Angles but carved out different kingdoms in England - they did not make much inroads into Scotland. The original Britons were forced to the edges of the island and into the middle and southern parts of Scotland by the Romans. The north of Scotland was held by the Picts. The Romans largely stayed out of this area as the Picts were too much of a problem. When the Romans left then it was a free for all. Angles, Saxons and Jutes invaded from the continent, then the Vikings from Scandinavia. The Gaels from Northern Ireland set up a kingdom in the western parts of Scotland.
Then the Normans invaded and defeated a Saxon army to take over the Kingdom of England in the name of William, Duke of Normandy.. himself a descendant of Vikings.
So, there are no Anglos, Saxons or pure blood of any of these races left.
We are a country of mongrels.
Your youtube reference is a work of fiction made into a film.
The tune you like is the theme from Braveheart using Scottish themes and instruments . Again, although the character of William Wallace figures largely in Scottish history, again this film was scripted by Hollywood and is just an adventure yarn spun round some historical events.
I have next to no knowledge of football so I checked the players in the Chelsea team. There would appear to be 14 non-English players in the team squad, so hardly a defeat for the“Saxons”
www.thefreedictionary.com/juggernaut
2. An overwhelming, advancing force that crushes or seems to crush everything in its path
www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/juggernaut
2. massive inexorable force, campaign, movement, or object that crushes whatever is in its path
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juggernaut
I am indeed a juggernaut of debate and truth... none of you can even scratch my abilities. All you can do is churlish billingsgates.
It helps to read the entire entry of a word, and not just the first one (which by the way, is not what you described either).
Conpronted is a new word... meaning “to confront in a heavy and weighty fashion, as if by imprinting upon” (conPronting).
Wtite in portuguese language, i try in englisee. I can write words in englisee, and you? Come on, the ignorant are you, boy! No I!
Those days are over. I'm EVERYWHERE. :)
What part of Argentine law allows a private army of thugs to attack a cruise office, what part of Argentine law allows a group of political activists to hold a cruise ship full of passengers hostage and make political demands of the Captain. The UNLOS requires all countries to protect ships, crew, passengers and cargo safe within their waters and ports. Argentina is failing to honour its treaty obligations and their is a breakdown in law and order conveniently ignored by the government.
Clauses concerning a nations sovereignty over their flagged vessels apply to vessels at sea. When those vessels are in port the laws of the host country apply but the treaty obligations to protect the ship do not end. Neither are the government of Argentina allowed to interfere with vessels carrying out legitimate business at sea.
When British vessels are in Argentine ports Argentine law apples. Argentine law prevents vessels involved in the exploitation of the Falkland Islands mineral wealth from docking. That is why vessels under all flags that are involved in the FI oil and gas industry do not dock in Argentina. No Argie law effects cruise vessels that is why it is the thugs attacking the cruise ships as government proxies, if it was against Argentine law it would be official government organistions acting.
CFK uses the thugs much in the same way as Hitler used the brown shirts.
I will assert as far as my understanding is, no British flagged ships are allowed in Argentine ports, as the law's purview was expanded from its original scope.
These are people allied with the ruling party but with no official authority. The government of Argentina has already denied that they are acting on their behalf but if what they were doing was legal under Argentine law wouldn't an arm of government be doing it.
As for it being illegal for all British ships to dock in Argentina, when Britain summoned the Argentine ambassador to complain that it wasn't safe for British ships and that Argentina had breached its treaty obligations, Argentina did not say it wasn't under a treaty obligation to protect the ships or that it was illegal for the ships to dock, the ambassador denied there was any risk to the safety of the ships.
'Hector Timerman, said the unanimous judgment of the Court is “an incentive to the people and Government Argentines.”
“The unconditional release means that Argentina should not bail, bond or any security,” the minister said, referring to the $20 million needed to lift the embargo that the government refused to pay...'
www.ghanabusinessnews.com/2012/12/16/argentina-says-ghana-held-libertad-ship-will-return-january-9-2013/
'Argentinian Economy Minister Hernan Lorenzino hailed the decision and vowed to continue fighting what President Cristina Fernandez has called “vulture funds,” with which the country is locked in a series of legal battles.
“Argentina will continue to defend itself from the financial pirates,” Lorenzino said. “Vultures, you won't succeed, with the ship nor with the debt...”'
www.morningstaronline.co.uk/news/content/view/full/127316
“And btw, we are one of the most politically stable nations on Earth, if not the most stable. Ripping flatulent opinions from your back cheeks does not make them any more real.”
LIAR! I call you out!
What a blatant untruth. My country was the first country to form by a vote and not a revolution. It has never had a coup. It has never been run by a junta/an army/a dictator. It has never had civil rights suspended. It has had the same constitution since birth. Only the people can change the constitution. Inflation is low. The currency has always been stable and is freely convetible. The judiciary is independent. Elections are free, fair and run independent of the government. The public service is apolitical. Our neighbours do not revile our leader. Crime is low. Living standards are high.
30 years of democracy don't make you the most politically stable on Earth.
My country sh!ts all over yours for stability and has done so since it was founded.
Stick It just brings up littlle history flicks out desperation that he won't see the Libertad Auctioned and go on a Cruise on it.
Great results Arrgentina! Keep it up. Sure sign of things to come. Soon we may hear a judge say “and the Malvinas go to ...Argentina”. I Love it!
You RG school teachers are gonna be busy teaching this one!!!!!
I don't think many of us are surprised the ARA Libertad has cause to be released however if you think that is a victory, then you are sadly mistaken. The PR stunt by the financial group have been extremely successful in their aims to bring Argentina a lot of pain for non-payment. I'm sure for good measure and to impact Argentina some more they will appeal the ruling just to drag this out for a bit longer.
I said it before and I will say it again, I don't think its right for a private fund to be able to seize a Argentine naval asset even if it isn't a warship.
I am, however, surprised by Tobias behavior which seems to of hit a new low in this thread. It's been a downward spiral for Tobias since joining the forum to where we are today.
Wow I suddenly just realised how many historic things my country has done now that I've realised how low we can set the bar!
Your trouble with the English language IS that you have no real idea of how it is used in its native land. You take a word from an on-line dictionary - or thesaurus - and use it without any real idea how it will be perceived by an English speaker.
Juggernaut in English has the connotation of some ponderous object travelling out of control. I was pointing out the similarity in your literary style !
When the word compronting is accepted by the Oxford English dictionary THEN I will accept it into the English language.
There is one good point about your verbose and self congratulatory postings, no trees were damaged in the process although several million pixels were severely inconvenienced.
I have to admit that I am surprised by the ILOST making such a bold precedent. It says in the article that they can't appeal.
Well Ghana can appeal if they wish to, to the highest court on earth, the ICJ, who have the power to overrule the ILOST.
However, Ghana could do several things:
1. Get rid of the Libertad, as it is a poisonous albatross around their necks.
2. Ignore the ILOST ruling, as this is an INTERNAL matter to Ghana, and the ILOST doesn't have the power to overrule a sovereign nations court.
3. Let the Libertad go, but only after the Argentines pay their docking fees in full.
Frankly, if I were one of the Libertad crew, I'd be a bit p!ssed off being told that I wouldn't be home until after Xmas!
I would call it a success on the part of Ms Susana Ruiz Cerutti the Argentine Agent before ILOST rather than a “victory” of Timerman, Puricelli, or CFK!!!!!
Unfortunately I'm convinced that the Tribunal should not have pronounced on this case because of lack of jurisdiction over inland, or internal, waters. Unless the Ghanaian High Court wishes to wash its hands of the whole thing, they will insist on payment of the bail, US$ 20 million, before releasing ARA Libertad!!!!!!!
MY THOUGHTS EXACTLY. ;o)
All day, all summer long. I'm stuck to the screen to set the record straigtht.
No, you're here to play a scratched and warped record.
@147
“And btw, we are one of the most politically stable nations on Earth, if not the most stable”
This is why the Argentine government has such an inferiority complex that it savaged Argentine academics that dared to question the Argentine rejection of the Falklnd Islanders right to self-determination.
If the Argentines had a stable system, they would not be so overbearing and leave the Argentine public to make up their mind-however the system is ingrained with a belief that Argentina is never wrong and always the victim.
Your humour however, is priceless, to call the Argentine government stable is to exaggerate the word exaggerate, so I can't fault your bathos.
You are thus afforded a free pass for 4 hours today effective immediately to vituperate against Argentines, until 16:15 ART. You will be allowed to berate, depreciate, and slander us and the great Nostrolldamus will not upbraid and chasten you to submission.
So use it wisely.
The world reaps what it sows,
And as long as you keep giving people like her, the will and determination, not to pay debts, the more these countries do it,
Still,
That’s what money is all about,
The people in charge sets the standard, she leads, other will follow,
And the law abiding are stuffed once again.
As for CFK, enjoy your victory,
The IMF is next.
just a thought.
www.gregpalast.com/the-globalizer-who-came-in-from-the-cold/
You have improved for your few days away.Have a few more.By 2nd of January there will be no worries for you,excepting admitting you got it wrong.
Follow simon68 theory.It say you can keep any ship in a port and legally hold it there.He'll explain how it works.
“INTERNATIONAL TRIBUNAL FOR THE LAW OF THE SEA, 15 December 2012, THE “ARA LIBERTAD” CASE (ARGENTINA v. GHANA) Prescribes, pending a decision by the Annex VII arbitral tribunal, provisional measures (article 290, paragraph 5):
1. Ghana shall release Libertad,
2. ensuring that Libertad, its Commander and crew are able to leave the port of Tema and Ghana
3. and that Libertad is resupplied.
4. Argentina and Ghana shall each submit the initial report by 22 Dec
5. The LOSC requests subsequent information for the Arbitration hearings
The Press Release (for information only) is: www.itlos.org/fileadmin/itlos/documents/cases/case_no.20/C20_Order_15_12
What we really need is the WHY:
This is a PROVISIONAL decision because the setting up of an arbitral tribunal and its outcome will take some time.
Provisionally, because of the ‘urgency of the case’, this Tribunal says,
1. “in accordance with general international law, a warship enjoys immunity”
2. “any act which prevents by force a warship from discharging its mission and duties is a source of conflict that may endanger friendly relations among States” .
The four judges each attached separate opinions, so the real outcome will be in the future and will be not straightforward
Just for your kind info......
1) the tribunal consists of 21 judges (22 in this case because a judge from the Republic of Ghana was included to balance the prescence of an Argentinean judge... Even the Ghanian judge voted in favor of the Argentinean case.)
www.itlos.org/fileadmin/itlos/documents/press_releases_english/PR_184_E.pdf
2) The five judges that attached separate opinions, did so to express a much sterner position AGAINST the Ghanian conduct and in FAVOR of the Argentinean rights than the final veredict expressed......
www.itlos.org/fileadmin/itlos/documents/cases/case_no.20/C20_Ord_15.12.2012_SepOp_Paik_E_orig-no_gutter.pdf
www.itlos.org/fileadmin/itlos/documents/cases/case_no.20/C20_Ord_15_12_2012_SepOp_Ch_Rao_E_.pdf
www.itlos.org/fileadmin/itlos/documents/cases/case_no.20/C20_Ord_15.12.2012_SepOp_Wolfrum-Cot_orig-no_gutter.pdf
www.itlos.org/fileadmin/itlos/documents/cases/case_no.20/C20_Ord_15.12.2012_SepOp_Lucky_E_orig-no_gutter.pdf
So........ the real outcome will be in the future and it will be quite straightforward.
Or is it they still don't know how to take another defeat
AHAHAHAHAHHAHAAH yuleno you are FINNISHED like uk...Poor deluded broken ex empire,nowhere to go now...Pathetic brits pirates.#194,Think: Excelente summary of links of the case...
MALVINAS ARGENTINAS!
It's good to see somebody is interested enough to find out what the case involves.
The provisional ruling IS straightforward:
The case is 'urgent (why?)
The sailing boat classifies as a warship (because Argentina says it is?)
It is bad form to impound warships.
Let it go.
Pay the bill.
Just why the LOSC considers it complex and in need of further judgments is strange.
What other maritime issues are in question?
1) The case was urgent because a Ghanian attempt to bord the ship without the permission of its commander had to be repelled by the showing of arms.
A difficult and potentially dangerous situation that demanded an urgent solution.
(First time since I was ~16 that I aprove on an Argentinean military action.................................. I must be getting soft :-(
2) The fregate ARA Libertad classifies as a warship because, as Mr. McDod already pointed at post (103), the Article 29 of the UNCLOS convention states:
“Definition of warships
For the purposes of this Convention, ”warship” means a ship belonging
to the armed forces of a State bearing the external marks distinguishing the character and nationality of such ships, under the command of an officer duly commissioned by the government of the State and whose name appears in the appropriate service list or its equivalent, and manned by a crew which is under regular armed forces discipline.
www.un.org/Depts/los/convention_agreements/texts/unclos/unclos_e.pdf
3) Yes, it is bad form to impound warships.
4) They are letting her go.
5) The bill is on the house.
Regards to your undoubtly sweet and very patient Brazilian Missus (she “must” be)
That was that story.....
The ARA Libertad left Ghanian territorial waters just minutes ago.
Argentina 29 - Vultures 0
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/argentina/9756327/Mayan-apocalypse-Argentina-closes-mountain-over-mass-suicide-risk.html
Still time to take part if you hurry!!!
Let’s face it Malv, people who believe in Mayan calenders , mystic mountains, mass suicide and spaceships to take their spirits to the promised land, are very likely to believe in mythical Malvinas Islands somewhere over the sea, as well.
kcirp a hcus era uoy kniht
dratsab uoy eid
He’ll probably understand that, being backward like he is.
I couldn't resist responding to your post, or some of it at least.
Do you believe in the yearly calendar? Do you expect the world to go under every Dec 31st?
The Mayan calendar is just that, a calendar. It doesn't mention the world going under, it merely states “Happy New Bak'tun”.
That some people make an apocalypse out of it, isn't the Maya's fault.
Yes I know all that.
Don’t know if Malv does though.
Said the mayans calendar.
What date was this Mayan calendar written?
AD 900 seems the most likely.
I guess they knew about Britain even then! ;-)
Maya writings could be as old as 400 BC; highest state of development was during the Classic period (AD 250 to 900), and continued throughout the Post-Classic period until the arrival of the Spanish. The Spanish conquest and colonization of Mayan lands was between 1540-1560.
However, the catastrophic decline of the Mayans - as a civilization - was between 1020 and 1100.
:)))
BC is before Christ, and AD after ....what??
In spanish its AC (antes de cristo), DC(después de cristo)
Even this atheist knows that AD stands for Anno Domini 'the year of our Lord'.
Did you learn nothing of Latin in your Spanish colonial church? I would have thought the majority of the service would be based on Latin.
MERRY CHRISTMAS AND A HAPPY NEW YEAR!
Why does the Liberdad need an escort into Mar Del Plata ?
Is she in danger of sinking ?
The people can be led to believe anything, if the media can be managed to lead them to this belief.
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