Saturday, December 15th 2012 - 16:57 UTC

Law of the Sea court orders ‘immediate’ release of ARA Libertad

The UN International Tribunal for the Law of the Sea ordered on Saturday the release of ARA Libertad, the Argentine naval training ship which has been detained in Ghana since October at the request of holders of defaulted Argentine state bonds.

Law of the Sea president Judge Shunji Yanai of Japan reads the ruling

ARA Libertad, was retained in Ghana at the request of US hedge fund NML Capital Ltd

The Argentine navy's tall sailing ship ARA Libertad, was retained in Ghana's port of Tema on October 2 at the request of US hedge fund NML Capital Ltd, which says Argentina owes it over 300 million dollars on bonds which have been in default since 2002.

The Hamburg seated International Tribunal for the Law of the Sea president Judge Shunji Yanai of Japan said the court ruled Ghana should release the Libertad “immediately” and provide the assistance the crew needs to leave the port.

“Ghana must release with no conditions the frigate, guaranteeing that the vessel, its captain and the crew can leave the port of Tema and ensuring their provision” said the unanimous ruling.

The trial was initiated by Argentina 14 November and can not be appealed.

Argentina had argued the United Nations maritime convention gives warships including unarmed training vessels immunity from civil claims when calling in foreign ports.

Creditors including NML have won several billion dollars in damages over Argentina's bond default in US courts, but they have largely been unable to collect because most Argentine assets are protected by sovereign immunity laws.

Argentina refers to funds like NML as ”vulture funds“ because they buy distressed or defaulted bonds and then sue in international courts to get paid in full.

The UN court considered a statement from Argentina that attempts by authorities in Ghana to move the ship ”could lead to an escalation“ which could lead to ”incidents which could endanger life” Judge Yanai said.

The court also considered Argentina's claim that the ship could not be maintained correctly during its arrest and that the vessel' safety could so be endangered.

A skeleton crew remains on board the Libertad after around 300 crew and naval cadets were flown home to Argentina in October.

A government official in Ghana said the foreign ministry was preparing a statement, and could not immediately comment.

Ghana had said the issue involved complex legal action between bondholders and Argentina and that the separation of branches meant Ghana's Executive could not overrule a court decision.

Both countries must pay their own costs. The two countries must provide a further report to the court by December 22, 2012, to enable the tribunal to make further examinations of the dispute, Yanai said.

However the return could be delayed up to two months because of the preparations for the trip, “it’s not going to be an easy exit”, said Argentine Foreign ministry sources.

The Argentine legal team headed by Susuna Ruiz Cerutti was expecting a favourable ruling and the Argentine Navy had already prepared 100 crew members of which an estimated 40 will be leaving to Ghana as soon as possible to begin the return operation.

The ARA Libertad on a naval cadets’ promotion global trip had already called in Brazil, Portugal, Spain, Morocco and Senegal when it arrived in Tema October first. The following day she was impounded and a 20 million dollars bail was demanded for her release. All cadets, some of them form other countries and guests of the Argentine Navy, and most of the crew, approximately 281 abandoned Ghana a few days later and a skeleton crew of 44 were left on board.

A nasty incident almost occurred when Ghana port authorities tried to forcibly move ARA Libertad to another berth alleging the docking space was needed for commercial vessels.
 

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1 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 05:05 pm Report abuse
OH OH... what is this? And UNANIMOUS?

Cue “The UN and the tribunal of the sea are in the pockets of Argentina, are corrupt and no good” in 3, 2, 1...

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
2 scarfo (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 05:07 pm Report abuse
hmmm this was unexpected, however im not sure if the ghanaian courts will accept this ruling. nml i expect to appeal it, or try move it to a higher court.
3 CJvR (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 05:07 pm Report abuse
What a shame, I was so looking forward to buying it cheaply and recommission it as HMFIS Deadbeat.
4 scarfo (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 05:09 pm Report abuse
1

Argentina, are corrupt and no good”

you are correct on that :)
5 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 05:10 pm Report abuse
@2

“not sure if the ghanaian courts will accept this ruling”

“higher court”

Which one is that... the Intergalacitc Spacevessel court of Yoda??

HAHAHAHAHA.
6 scarfo (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 05:15 pm Report abuse
that would be the icj sonny, stick in at school and maybe they will teach you about it next year, although come to think about (being argentina) they probably wont :)
7 CJvR (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 05:16 pm Report abuse
@2 Oh I think Ghana will accept, unlike Argentina Ghana have some respect for the rule of law.
8 Think (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 05:18 pm Report abuse
TWIMC....
All in all, a good month….
Good news from NYSE (YPF)
Good news from Hamburg (Ship)
Good news from Mexico City (Cars)
Good news from Buenos Aires (Press Law)
Good news from Puerto Estanley ( No Ships )
Good news from New York City (Vulture Funds)
More good news from Puerto Estanley ( No - Oil )
Precisely as the “Doomsday Preppers” had “Predicted”

Gee man those Turnips couldn’t even predict BLR Nelson & BLR Nigger peeing on Dover’s pillboxes :-)))
9 Frank (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 05:18 pm Report abuse
According to Radio Nederlands 'The International Tribunal for the Law of the Sea “asks the Ghana authorities to immediately free the Libertad frigate and arrange for her to leave Tema” (east of Accra), tribunal head Shunji Yanai said.'

Operative word = 'asks' which is not the same as 'orders'.

Two months to get her ready for sea? What a slack arsed and incompetent outfit.
10 scarfo (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 05:20 pm Report abuse
im aware ghana respects the rule of law, however im not sure that this verdict can overturn a ghanaian court.

im no legal expert so i guess only time will tell.
11 Malvinero1 (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 05:34 pm Report abuse
#4 scarfo:1
Argentina, are corrupt and no good”
you are correct on that :)”
AHAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!
typical brits scum,pirate,thief!
12 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 05:34 pm Report abuse
Yes, Ghana is not the UK who would declare this ruling “Casus Belli”, as they have always been wont to.
13 Tobers (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 05:38 pm Report abuse
@ Gloaters

A weeks a long time in Argentina and anything can happy. Alot of these -victories - are by no means conclusive. Meanwhile Argentina -the country with it all- continues lurching from week to week from one sensational event to another with a highly polarised society with all and sundry protesting and more in the works becoming more and more intense. We'll see if Argentina or the government is still -winning- next year. I dont wish ill of Argentina quite the opposite but just saying its not looking good for next year.
14 Orbit (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 05:40 pm Report abuse
Ah, shame!!! That episode was particularly entertaining but all good things come to an end. But don't despair comedy fans, there's plenty more material just round the corner :)
15 Spainexpat (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 05:43 pm Report abuse
Ghana will comply with the courts decision - but if I remember correctly - Argentina submitted the request for provisional measures but refrained from the articles that would make it binding. So in theory neither party is legally bound to the courts decision.
16 Monkeymagic (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 05:51 pm Report abuse
Think...it just goes to show what a pariah state Argentina has become when you see these as “good news”

YPF..shameful
International defaults and debts..shameful
Trade protectionism..shameful
Press Law..shameful
Cruise ships...shameful

However, from your list the “no oil” in the Falklands is the interesting one. “soon” will be though..chuckle

And of course the best one missing from your list “Ban KI Moon”. Chuckle chuckle, he doesn't seem to agree with things that you have been claiming on here.
17 Shed-time (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 05:53 pm Report abuse
Having watched the farce that was the argentinian oral presentation to the court, and the measured Ghanaian offering. I still cannot see how this court could have come to such a decision.

I guess Argentina had a lot of used notes in bags being passed around in motorway service stations.

End of.
18 Think (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 05:55 pm Report abuse
TWIMC

What’s wrong with you Turnips?
What’s wrong with MercoPress?
Can’t you Turnips read?
Can’t MercoPress “Quote” from a text without “altering” it?
Brainwash anybody?

Hereby the “Real” text from the “Inapelable” Tribunal....:

”INTERNATIONAL TRIBUNAL FOR THE LAW OF THE SEA
15 December 2012
THE “ARA LIBERTAD” CASE
(ARGENTINA v. GHANA)
Request for the prescription of provisional measures.

ORDER

THE TRIBUNAL,

(1) Unanimously,
Prescribes, pending a decision by the Annex VII arbitral tribunal, the following provisional measures under article 290, paragraph 5, of the Convention:
Ghana shall forthwith and unconditionally release the frigate ARA Libertad, shall ensure that the frigate ARA Libertad, its Commander and crew are able to leave the port of Tema and the maritime areas under the jurisdiction of Ghana, and shall ensure that the frigate ARA Libertad is resupplied to that end.

(2) Unanimously,
Decides that Argentina and Ghana shall each submit the initial report referred to in paragraph 103 not later than 22 December 2012 to the Tribunal, and authorizes the President to request such information as he may consider appropriate after that date.

(3) Unanimously,
Decides that each Party shall bear its own costs.

In the Free and Hanseatic City of Hamburg, this fifteenth day of December, two thousand and twelve……
Shunji YANAI
President
www.itlos.org/fileadmin/itlos/documents/cases/case_no.20/C20_Order_15_12_2012.pdf
19 Pirat-Hunter (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 06:00 pm Report abuse
thank you Shunji Shanai for making justice, I think a 50% tax on all Argentine exports can fix all the problems with the rest of the world. A block on imports from nations taking cheap shots at Argentina can show them we take them very seriously and that we are willing to change, compromise and negotiate or move on with self determination. Let's remind everyone that even in Cuba you can buy budwiser cheaper then in USA. I think Ghana “perdio” Lol.
20 Marcos Alejandro (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 06:08 pm Report abuse
Victory for Argentina...Vaseline for the crying Brits.
21 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 06:11 pm Report abuse
I think it is time to begin an worldwide offensive I agree with Pirat and Think.

Argentina DEMAND the immediate free-trade of our exports to all nations of the world. In exchange, we will desist from imposing a 200% tariff on all foreign imports, instead leaving this at a generous 75% (up from 35% now).

A relenting of 125% in the inbound tariff should be accepted by all who want to trade with us, just like the 30% for a dollar deal was accepted by all the bond holders.
22 andy65 (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 06:18 pm Report abuse
A worthless old rust bucket of a sailing ship most nations would not have dreamed of puting such a ship to sea and describe it as a naval vessel how embarrasing most Argentines would love to see the botox queen tied to the sails and sent out to sea in a force 9 gale except for her whipping boy Nostrolldamus The 2nd ofcourse.Thank god we have such powerful modern ships like DUANTLESS that so frightned Argentines recently
23 Troy Tempest (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 06:23 pm Report abuse
@21 Nozzy

“I think it is time to begin an worldwide offensive I agree with Pirat and Think.”

LOL, now you're not making ANY sense.

You must be giddy or stupid.
24 Shed-time (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 06:24 pm Report abuse
It makes me laugh how you argentinians always assume people automatically have to buy your wares, and that putting tax on something people don't want is going to help you.

Therein lies the reason your economy is up the spout, a complete lack of regard for marketing and sales.
25 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 06:24 pm Report abuse
I listen to the plangent lamentations, the ululating bewailing... Tis the time, betimes, for this most belated lupine elegy.

hAHAHAHAHAHA
26 Joe Bloggs (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 06:24 pm Report abuse
I'm glad that fine old girl is soon to be freed from Ghana and on her way home. I don't suppose it will make it back to base before Christmas but it shouldn't take long. Good news.
27 andy65 (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 06:27 pm Report abuse
If that old rust bucket Libertad hits the slightest swell it is sure to go under pity old botox Crissy does not fly over in Tango1 to collect it, she could use her Botox lips and fat ass as stabilisers
28 Lou Spoo (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 06:28 pm Report abuse
There is still a chance this could drag on as the important part of the ruling is 'pending a decision by the Annex VII arbitral tribunal'

As in cases before the ICJ, both parties must agree that the UN has jurisdiction over the dispute. From the outset Ghana has contested this, as explained in it's written statement to the court.

“Ghana considers, however, that the resolution of this unfortunate dispute must comply with the relevant rules of international law, which are not to be found as such in the Convention. Accordingly, as matters currently stand ITLOS does not have jurisdiction to order the provisional measures requested by Argentina.”

Judge Yanai can make as many orders as he wants. If Ghana hasn't agreed to be bound by his decisisons they are meaningless.

However I would imagine that Ghana will take the opportunity to have it dealt with and put it the whole sorry affair behind them.
29 Ayayay (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 06:32 pm Report abuse
Ooh, Asian against Asian JUDGE-OFF!!
30 Pugol-H (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 06:47 pm Report abuse
Ghana will probably be quite happy to get shot of an argument that was nothing to do with them in the first place, and has cost them money in the second place.

No doubt Argentina will expect Ghana to comply with the ruling, even though Argentina ignores ruling which go against it.
31 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 06:51 pm Report abuse
Of course, just like the UK, Pugol-H.
32 Huntsman Extraordinaire (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 06:58 pm Report abuse
It's ok, cos Ghana will appeal, so it will go to a different court. So no immediate release I'm afraid. Technical default oh the horizon in January and expulsion from the IMF. The fun hasn't yet begun!

Don't forget everyone to sign the petition below and get everyone you know to sign and spread the word about this petition!!!
epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/42558
33 CJvR (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 06:59 pm Report abuse
Ah well, all entertaining things must come to an end, no doubt the regime will soon provide us with a new source of amusement and Argentine disgrace, the IMF deadline is coming up IIRC.
34 Pirat-Hunter (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 07:02 pm Report abuse
As long as the ship is not boarded or forced to move we are OK with Ghana's economic loss as they didn't care for our loss. Second world nations can afford to ruin their economy since EU and IMF are broke the rest should wait to give them a fair trade chance, poor them retards.
#24 obviously you think higher taxes automatically means we want to trade when in fact it is a settled invitation for them to go to hell maybe the word block didn't sink into such a thick skull, But hey if it doesn't sink we might have to crack it open, someone will have to make that choice soon, and for that reason I support a nuclear defence program 100% made in Argentina.
35 Pugol-H (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 07:07 pm Report abuse
Nuclear weapons for Paraguay, and a delivery system capable of reaching Argentina.
36 Santa Fe (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 07:10 pm Report abuse
trolls, how many months???. A true victory for Argentina, next time pay your debts
37 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 07:11 pm Report abuse
@33

I've been hearing about the IMF deadline for about a year now. LOL

:::skirl sounds in the background:::
38 Santa Fe (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 07:19 pm Report abuse
A true victory , like a business claiming bankruptcy , love it Jajajajajajaja

Months have past and many trolls like yourself were quoting it would be days until the release... and hey don't forget you have to pay some dollar for your costs before you sail the mighty sailing frigate from Ghana

Toby text maximo to send some dollar
39 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 07:21 pm Report abuse
@35

They just need the bomb.

They have the delivery system and how to get it to Buenos Aires. In fact they have two:

cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/11/2012/01/53034d1d5601527f89caf46c9799c912.jpg
40 Pirate Love (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 07:28 pm Report abuse
like i said whatever the outcome of “libertad” is irrelevant the damage caused and embarrassment to Argentina Globally has been PRICELESS!!!!!! :)))))))))
tune in next week for a brand new episode of “Argentina The calamity”!!!

oh and The Falklands still remain BRITISH ;)))
41 Conqueror (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 07:35 pm Report abuse
Small point from Article 33 of the •Statute of the International Tribunal for the Law of the Sea (Annex VI of the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea
2. The decision shall have no binding force except between the parties in respect of that particular dispute.

I would have thought that NML could now invoke its various judgements and take possession of the boat. NML is not bound by the ITLOS judgement. There's bound to be more. NML will have been prepared. I wonder if an appropriate court could order a warship to arrest the Libertad at sea and tow it into a more suitable port.
42 ChrisR (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 07:44 pm Report abuse
Well that was a real disappointment and I have to agree with others on here who having watched the absolute shambles that was the AG ‘legal team’ this decision is just incredible in the real sense of the word.

Still, it’s only one thing and there are many, many more disasters awaiting The Dark Country whilst it is mismanaged so badly by TMBOA and her gang of crooks aka ‘Ministers’.

I am not going anywhere and I can bide my time the circus isn’t over yet, there are many more AG clowns waiting for their 10 minutes of ‘fame’ or infamy.
43 Pugol-H (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 07:48 pm Report abuse
@39 Nostrolldamus The 2nd
LoL, they would certainly bring most Argentinian men to their Knees.
44 ssb (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 08:19 pm Report abuse
yes, yes, yes!
goverment assests belongs to Argentina
45 Pirate Love (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 08:25 pm Report abuse
not only did these beauties bring argentine men to their knees, they turned to jelly every time she passed :)

www.key.aero/view_feature.asp?ID=3&thisSection=military
46 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 08:28 pm Report abuse
I pity the Antis for the nonce. Such fruitless cathexis anent the Libertad all these months.
47 Steve-32-uk (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 08:30 pm Report abuse
I just hope Argentina pays Ghana what it owes them, before the ship is released.
48 Britworker (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 08:37 pm Report abuse
Sounds like the Argies think this is a done deal. A lot can happen in two months, your debters won't give up, you owe them big and they will continue to claim your meager assets. There is a trade price on everything you own when it leaves your shores. You must all be so proud.
49 slattzzz (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 08:37 pm Report abuse
it makes me laugh that stink and the rest see this as a victory, same as they see the cruise liners avoiding argentina as a victory there must be some reasoning behind they're blinkered visions. This ship has been in Ghana since 3rd Oct and become a laughing stock around the world and you see it as a victory? Wierd or what, how's your real navy vessel getting on in South africa by the way?
50 Malvinero1 (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 08:45 pm Report abuse
pugol trash:Nuclear weapons for Paraguay, and a delivery system capable of reaching Argentina” I say,gives nukes to the arabs,they will dispose of the brits...good for nothing,murderers,liars,scums of the world!
51 Marcos Alejandro (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 08:48 pm Report abuse
Crying Brits, Hello Kitty Facial Tissues are on sale right now in Tesco!

www.tesco.com/groceries/Product/Details/?id=274842845
52 Malvinero1 (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 08:52 pm Report abuse
#52 MArcos: JAJAAJAJAJAJ,Very good!Cheers
53 Pirat-Hunter (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 09:15 pm Report abuse
We demand Argentina to stop clowning Around like idiots with the UK and UN and build a nuclear defense program ASAP. We demand the end.of the illegal occupation of Islas Malvinas Argentina and we repudiate the illegal occupation by fakland island holdings pirates.
Wevdemand a 50% tax in all exports to nations giving refuge to the vultures or british illegal aliens we demand inmediate action.
54 Pugol-H (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 09:16 pm Report abuse
@51 Malvinero1
Nuclear weapons for Uruguay, they could deliver it with a rowboat.
55 slattzzz (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 09:17 pm Report abuse
@50,51 52 and 53 well lads that was a good rant feel better now?
@50 want to bet on that?
@51 arabs i take it you mean your friends in iran the rest don't need them as they are friends Saudi, Bahrain, Qatar, Kuwait, Oman and the the UAE they can borrow ours to wipe out any infidels like rgenweener.
@52 can you afford tissues, you won't shortly
@53 well if that amuses you good luck in life
56 puerto argentino (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 09:18 pm Report abuse
54 Pirate
Argentina will continue fending financial pirates ”and the pirates that are on Argentina Malvinas Islands!!!
57 Britworker (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 09:21 pm Report abuse
@54
It's amazing, a small shred of good news and they think are invincible. There are no winners in nuclear war my friend, we have them too you know. The only realistic thing you can do with nuclear weapons is not use them. In any case, you can't even manage to export your lemons, let alone develop nuclear weapons, oh and your not allowed to either!
58 slattzzz (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 09:26 pm Report abuse
you knobs stop talking about nuclear weapons you have neither the money or the technology to make them and truth be told you don't want them, so grow up.
59 Steve-32-uk (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 09:31 pm Report abuse
@50 ssb
Forgive me for being naive...
''Argentina don't have to pay Ghana a cent''
So who is paying the massive mooring fees?

The full TRIBUNAL ruling text included in the below article...
'The Sea Court ordered the release of the frigate Libertad'
www.lanacion.com.ar/1537339-fragata-libertad-expectativa-por-el-inminente-fallo-del-tribunal-del-mar

'UN court orders Libertad frigate release, to arrive in Argentina on Jan 9'
www.buenosairesherald.com/article/119436/un-court-orders-libertad-frigate-release-to-arrive-in-argentina-on-jan-9
60 slattzzz (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 09:36 pm Report abuse
The Edinburgh could escort her just to make sure she gets home OK :)
61 Doveoverdover (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 09:41 pm Report abuse
LEPRecon, that well known authority on all matters to do with everything said:

“But the Tribunal will be wary of setting a precedent one way or the other, and will probably use the fact that this isn't a dispute between nations so outside their remit, to wipe their hands of the problem.”

But he was wrong.
62 slattzzz (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 09:58 pm Report abuse
@61 doveoverdover that well known authority on all matters full stop. DOD knows best remember that people
63 Steve-32-uk (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 09:58 pm Report abuse
@Doveoverdover

Can you tell me / us more about yourself please?
i.e. Age, job history, city you live and anything else you may wish to share...

thanks in advance for your reply...
64 Doveoverdover (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 10:08 pm Report abuse
@62 Thank you for your irony-free endorsement. Much appreciated.

@63 Wot, no pointless links to unconnected Facebook pages or LinkedIn profiles?
65 slattzzz (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 10:20 pm Report abuse
@63 dod knows everything apparently was in the Royal Navy and many other services but has now switched allegience, has a good pension from HM goverment though, so he says, index linked and everything, and frequents the british legion in dover. Feels free to slander real veterans but hey ho he's good for a laugh
66 Captain Poppy (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 10:24 pm Report abuse
asslips and argentina was prepared not to accept a US ruling in the case at the 2nd US court, Ghana should follow argentina's example.
67 Doveoverdover (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 10:28 pm Report abuse
@65 I wouldn't say everything but certainly more than you and by a long way at that. You mean libel, by the way.
68 Clyde15 (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 10:39 pm Report abuse
#53
In your post you refer to “we”. Is this the Royal “we” ,or are you speaking for the whole of Argentina who no doubt you have canvassed and received 40 million “yes” votes.
Britain developed its own nuclear weapons as a defence against the Soviet Union when there were fears of its expansionist moves into western Europe.. It has been said time and time again that it is not a first strike weapon. If it had been used then it would have meant that Britain was already a smouldering pile of ash.
As Argentina has no nuclear weapons, it means that you are not a potential target. If they did aquire them and continue with their belligerent attitude against the UK, then, no doubt contingency plans would be made to put you on the list of POSSIBLE targets BUT you would have to fire first.
You are rather cavalier in your attitude to nuclear war.
You know very well that the UK would NEVER attack Canada so you would be quite safe, coward that you are, cheering from 6000 miles away.
69 slattzzz (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 10:55 pm Report abuse
@67 really i've forgotten more than you'll ever know, and no i mean slander look it up by the way
70 Doveoverdover (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 11:02 pm Report abuse
@69 Pardon me if I don't take your word for it.
71 slattzzz (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 11:06 pm
Comment removed by the editor.
72 Joe Bloggs (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 11:09 pm Report abuse
69 slatzzz

I think the great naval commander, RN retired, is annoyed with you. I met a little prick like him in Canberra, Australia once. The only military person I've ever met with an attitude like this dick. I was on exchange at RMC and he was on exchange as well but working in one of the big DoD offices in the city. The Aussies hated him and I couldn't blame them. They used to call him something really funny but I can't remember what it was. It'll come to me. He used to tell them how useless their military was compared to the UK's (not true at all by the way). He had a right chip on his shoulder. I was worried that he was doing a lot of bad to our reputation but the Aussies assured me they knew it was just a case of a single jerk; everyone has them. I don't think this prick has mentioned Australia but I wonder. Early 80s. Hmmm....
73 Steve-32-uk (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 11:13 pm Report abuse
@Doveoverdover

Quite simply, I don't believe you are British, either come clean or answer my questions...
74 toooldtodieyoung (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 11:16 pm Report abuse
21 Tito The Clown Troll

“I think it is time to begin an worldwide offensive I agree with Pirat and Think”

I can feel the rest of the world trembling now at the mere mention of this “Argentine worldwide offensive”.

Clowns
75 slattzzz (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 11:17 pm Report abuse
@72 thanks joe this guy is obviously some chimp who probably did a few years
in the mob and the rest as a reservist (not slagging them by the way), thinks he knows everything when in fact he knows fook all. Lets test him what is the name of the Royal Navys data link DOD, who and what is the address of your navy pension, and where did you join up and official number ?
76 Pete Bog (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 11:23 pm Report abuse
@19
“A block on imports from nations taking cheap shots at Argentina”

Especially on spare parts for your armed forces- an excellent idea.

“Let's remind everyone that even in Cuba you can buy budwiser cheaper then in USA.”
Is it cheaper in Cuba than in Argentina then?
@20
“Victory for Argentina”
Libertard isn't out of the port yet-ever heard the phrase-never count your chickens before they are hatched?
We in UK are crying but with laughter as only an incompetent nation would allow this to happen. And we are going to get many more laughs at the expense of the comedy act running Argentina.
@21
”imposing a 200% tariff on all foreign imports, instead leaving this at a generous 75% (up from 35% now). “

Great idea, especially on spare parts for your armed forces which all come from overseas.
@50
”I say,gives nukes to the arabs”

Try it. the last I heard, Argentina did not have any nukes. But if it makes you happy, hand over a cardboard cutout of a nuke and listen out for all us brits laughing at you (yet again). A fairy tale of your vivid imagination, just the same as your illegal and technically unproven claim for the Falkland Islands.
@51
“Crying Brits”
Yes, we're crying with laughter at the fiasco of the the Libertard being impounded in the first place. Your country has provided us with such fantastic comedy we must thank you. By the way,to put this in perspective (a concept alien to Argentina's present government) how many Royal Navy ships have been impounded in this way?

@53
“Wevdemand a 50% tax in all exports to nations”

Go ahead-infact why not increase this to 90%?

“We demand,We demand,Wevdemand”

None of this demanding actually gets you anything.

@34
“I support a nuclear defence program 100% made in Argentina”.

You can support it as much as you like-it is as likely as the Argentine forces phasing out the current equipping of every ration pack with a white flag and standard letter to the Brits-'please send us home after kicking our asses-again'.
77 slattzzz (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 11:27 pm Report abuse
DOD i await your response with anticipation, if you really are ex RN give me some real info not something from your imagination
78 toooldtodieyoung (#) Dec 15th, 2012 - 11:32 pm Report abuse
76 Pete Bog

Great post, I mean GREAT POST!!!!

I love the last bit about the white flag and the “Please return” letter

Classic!!!
79 slattzzz (#) Dec 16th, 2012 - 12:07 am Report abuse
thought so dickhead
80 KFC de Pollo (#) Dec 16th, 2012 - 12:22 am Report abuse
lol @ the malvanistas thinking anyone really gives a sh*t if they get their boat back or not. Its the humour that anyone cares about and so far Argentina is fucking hilarious!
81 andy65 (#) Dec 16th, 2012 - 12:23 am Report abuse
Due to much PIRATE activety of African coast Prime Minister David Cameron has kindly offered to make HMS Dauntless available to escort this old rust bucket home
82 Frank (#) Dec 16th, 2012 - 12:24 am Report abuse
Another great RG 'victory'.....

On a par with a great bogan victory when , due to a technicality, the finance company is told to give the bogan back his repossessed car.

There shouldn't have been a need to arrest/repossess it in the first place ya dickheads.
83 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 16th, 2012 - 12:27 am Report abuse
@82

Of course not. The vultures should have been put in jail long ago, but your corrupt, venal “justice” systems have not arrested ONE person for the 2008 financial crisis, now have they?

Galactic-sized ineptitude.
84 Pugol-H (#) Dec 16th, 2012 - 01:40 am Report abuse
@53 Prat-Cunter
Well it has to be said that with the release of the Libertad, you are actually one step nearer to your dream of reconquering the Falklands.

At least now your navy has a ship capable of reaching the Islands unaided, when you try and re-invade.

@56 puerto Poofda
I would say “nuclear weapons for Chile”, but they don’t need them to kick your asses back east of the Andes.

The nice songs they sing about you being “so gay”, and having “lost your Islands somewhere”, being “somewhat dim-witted” like you are.

It must be a nice warm feeling for you, knowing you are surrounded by neighbours who think so highly of you, willing to standby you, or was that against you?
85 Pirat-Hunter (#) Dec 16th, 2012 - 02:14 am Report abuse
#55 you mean facts because I do want a nuclear defense program 100% made in Argentina.
#56 british homo, no one likes you, call your mother she will tell you.
#57 sorry but self determination dictates that you have no say in the political or defense inclination of any other nation but your own, that being said thanks for your contribution and come again, but we Argentines still support a nuclear defense program 100% made in Argentina.
#58 that's not what I stated. But we both know better, denial is futile, we think a lot of good can come from a nuclear defense program 100% made in Argentina.
#68 I was talking about a nuclear defense program and you are clearly talking about nuclear war when in my post I never said anything about nuclear war, so now that you mention the possibility of a war I would like a nuflear defene program to protect Argentine's from that war you mentioned, that why I keep mentioning the nuclear defence program and not a nuclear program. Get a grip even latinos have the right to protect themselves and be secure.
Cowards don't piss in Your door steps.
#76 you mean Islas malvinas Argentina, i think you know very well that Argentine's do not like corporations like fakland island holdings to theft the natural resources by few british illegal aliens. Give us the choice and we rather have coca Cola take over. You know what you can do with them!
#76 I settle for a 50% and yea sure 90% if things Keep getting worst with the vultures, you do know that it's only your opinion, and that anyone can disagree, that is ill be me.
#80 it could only happen in ghana, I think a book can easily be turned into a blockbuster comedy.
#83 and how many bankers did UK or USA put in jail for robbing people? Or wait I think they bailed everyone out with tax payers revenues.
If USA and UK couldn't punishment the bankers how is Argentina going to do it? Now can you tell us again who the real incompetent and corrupt are
? People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
86 Pugol-H (#) Dec 16th, 2012 - 02:31 am Report abuse
@85 Prat-Slumwalker
“a nuflear defene program”.

Hummm.

Wot, you mean like Star Wars!

“Use the Force Prat”.

“These are not the Drones you are looking for”.

That should get them past the British radar no problem!
87 Troy Tempest (#) Dec 16th, 2012 - 03:25 am Report abuse
@85 ALEX VARGAS

LOL, You are like the “Dark Side” of Conq Skywalker !
88 Anglotino (#) Dec 16th, 2012 - 03:43 am Report abuse
@8 Is thinking so hard?

All in all, another bad month...
Bad news from NY with Repsol suing Chevron (YPF)
Bad news for the economy (Even higher inflation)
Bad news from Panama City (another WTO complaint)
Bad news from Buenos Aires (Press Law)
Bad news from Ushuaia (Less and less Ships)
Bad news for the most (quality of life dropping, gas clouds, floods)
More bad news as 2013 energy imports will break records (No investment)
Precisely as the “Anglo Doomsday Preppers” had “Predicted” :-)

Considering how healthy turnips are, perhaps you should eat more.
89 Teaboy2 (#) Dec 16th, 2012 - 03:58 am Report abuse
The order is erroneous in law, Ghana is not a party to the dispute. The dispute is between NML and Argentina, therefore the state Ghana is not a party to it. The UN Law of the Sea court can only pass judgements on states, it can not however overrule a states internal judiciary's court orders where one party is not a state! Nor can it rule on issues within a states internal waters (ports), where the states judiciary has legal jurisdiction.
90 Anbar (#) Dec 16th, 2012 - 04:12 am Report abuse
I wont say “I told you so!”.

OK, I will.

I mean, I did say so. :-)
91 Marcos Alejandro (#) Dec 16th, 2012 - 06:38 am Report abuse
“Not so long ago I said that, as long as I'm the President, no vulture fund will stay with our country's sovereignty and dignity,” was the first tweet of Fernández de Kirchner.
92 Santa Fe (#) Dec 16th, 2012 - 07:18 am Report abuse
91.. Truly inspiring!!! Your reich mistress added
We won't pay our debt, while my country dies under 25%inflation myself and my rotund son maximo grow even richer by embezzling the RG dollar jajajajaja
we have grown in stature during this embarrassing long drawn out humiliation, it shows our true power and standing in the world.
93 ProRG_American (#) Dec 16th, 2012 - 07:27 am Report abuse
Agghhhh! Pardon me for the late arrival to this post. I have been recovering from the massive hangover that I got after celebrating so many CFK scores into the goal box this week.
Excuse me, I must leave now. Here comes another Bubbly for the positive news that is yet to come.
YEAAAH, MAKE IT POP BABY! OOOOOH YEAAAAH!
www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGTdElWC-Ko
94 stick up your junta (#) Dec 16th, 2012 - 08:24 am Report abuse
@93 call that a party,now this caused the mother of all piss ups

Argentine Surrender Falklands War 1982
www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhLzDC6bLPE
95 ProRG_American (#) Dec 16th, 2012 - 08:57 am Report abuse
94 stick up your junta (#)
I see that I’ve gotten y’all squirming with my little party. Just a little practice for when I see the RG colors flying over Port Sta….OOOPs…. Puerto Argentino and Lady T’s funeral.
Ahh! Thanks for the little flick, but I believe that you really intended to show this one.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGiqEkPZ8RA
96 shb (#) Dec 16th, 2012 - 09:19 am Report abuse
No matter how the Argentinians dress this up - it is still a national humiliation for their country to have a naval ship under the threat of being seized to pay for their overseas debt.

It was funny while it lasted.
97 Shed-time (#) Dec 16th, 2012 - 09:29 am Report abuse
I'm not convinced they feel any shame. Argentinians seem to have a pathological need to feel no dignity in social situations. That's why they try to steal people's things and smell of poo.
98 HansNiesund (#) Dec 16th, 2012 - 09:38 am Report abuse
@95

How about this one, where CFK gets her shirt off?

www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gt_GUYaCE6c
99 stick up your junta (#) Dec 16th, 2012 - 09:40 am Report abuse
Ahh! Thanks for the little flick, but I believe that you really intended to show this one
yes my mistake so many to choose from
FALKLANDS CONFLICT - The Surrender
www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVHjKLIDAUY

and as for having another go please do as these poor lads missed out cos you jacked it in so quick last time

Gurkha's are disappointed to hear that the Argentinians surrendered
www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZA7Uf6fP1Vg
100 Mrlayback (#) Dec 16th, 2012 - 09:41 am Report abuse
the worse bit about this news is that CFK will take all the credit.... but the most amazing bit about this is that all the kiss ass Kirchner fans come out when a month ago they were hiding really amazing.....
101 Doveoverdover (#) Dec 16th, 2012 - 10:11 am Report abuse
@90 I recall you did, if only in a half hearted way compared with my prediction.
102 Gordo1 (#) Dec 16th, 2012 - 10:30 am Report abuse
This is an absurd judgement - the vessel is NOT a warship! It is not equipped for war and thus would be useless in a maritime engagement.

This court has made a fool of itself. None of its judgements will be respected in the future. Ghana should make every effort to take the matter to a higher court if one is available to them - their justice system has been totally disrespected.
103 Doveoverdover (#) Dec 16th, 2012 - 10:45 am Report abuse
@102
International law defines a warship as a ship belonging to the armed forces of a nation bearing the external markings distinguishing the character and nationality of such ships, under the command of an officer duly commissioned by the government of that nation and whose name appears in the appropriate service list of officers, and manned by a crew which is under regular armed forces discipline.
104 Pete Bog (#) Dec 16th, 2012 - 11:02 am Report abuse
@85
“76 you mean Islas malvinas Argentina,

No, I do not mean ”Islas Malvinas Argentina“” I mean the Falkland Islands run by the Falkland Islands Government . If you go to the islands you will not find any Argentine government there or the occupying pirate squatters who were given the boot in June 1982 (just incase you have forgotten or contracted senile dementia). Go there if you do not believe me.

I wil lnow say something that every Falkland Islander will slate me for and for which they may wish me to get stuck in a peat bog without a bumper jack or planks, or even worse.
If Argentina want some type of titular sovereignty over the Falklands to shut the winging barstewards up-let them inhabit the minefields (not Yorke Baythat's too good for them)and put up their blue and white dishrag up there. They can raise the flag every day, sing their anthem and then go BOOOOOOOM! everytime they try to use their new territory, blown up by RG mines.

You have not managed to justify Argentina's claim for the islands as there is no coherent claim, just one based on myth and your fairy never -never land imagination
.You say Malvinas is ours which has exactly the same legitimacy as me saying that Ushaia is British because we settled it before you lot did in addition to other parts of Patagonia/Terra del Fuego.
Logic and cause & effect, not your strong point is it?

#76 I settle for a 50% and yea sure 90% if things Keep getting worst with the vultures, you do know that it's only your opinion, and that anyone can disagree, that is ill be me.#
Great, because if Argentina imposes such taxes, less people will import your produce, meaning you will have no money to update your armed forces. This means that any attempt to attack the Falklands will result in the UK teaching you a lesson you will never forget and with the eradication of your remaining armed forces you will suffer more debt.
Why not put the tax up (try 500%) so nobody will buy your produce?
Fine by me mate.
105 Clyde15 (#) Dec 16th, 2012 - 12:06 pm Report abuse
#85
A nuclear defence program means that you would retaliate in the event of a nuclear attack. As it must be obvious even to a thicko like you that the UK has no intention of attacking mainland Argentina unless you attack us AND nuclear weapons would not be involved, what is your rationale for needing them. To boost your “macho” ego and so you could threaten your neighbours ?

If you want a nuclear defence program, ask the Americans and they MAY sell you their Patriot missiles - -hard cash dollars only !
106 Britworker (#) Dec 16th, 2012 - 12:22 pm Report abuse
@94
I hadn't seen that before, or certainly not recently. It's interesting seeing the Argentine people in disbelief that they had been lied to about their success. It's so sad that as a people they have allowed themselves to be treated the exact same way again by Kirchner. The look of disappointment on the faces of the Ghurkas when the Argies surrendered was so funny, you really wouldn't want to mess with them. It's also shocking that they left their soldiers there to freeze and starve at the end because they could not accept defeat, what does thay say about Argentina.
107 Rufus (#) Dec 16th, 2012 - 12:37 pm Report abuse
Regardless of the potential end to the running comedy that is ARA Libertad's goodwill visit to Ghana, what's the latest on ARA Espora?

Last I heard it was still in South Africa with the German firm who have the maintenance contract wanting their arrears paid and the job to be paid for up front before they did anything.
Have there been any updates?
108 Conqueror (#) Dec 16th, 2012 - 12:49 pm Report abuse
@50 Ah-hah. The Cowardly Warmonger!
@51 Why? Do you want some? Here's something more appropriate for you: www.tesco.com/groceries/Product/Details/?id=258036637
@52 NOW I understand! War. Ja. Invasion. Ja. Killing. Ja. Blitzkrieg. Ja. Murder. Ja. Concentration camps. Ja. Gassing. Ja. Starvation. Ja. Final Solution. Ja. Und zo: JAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJA. All hail der Fuhrer!
@53 Demand all you like. Go even further. Demand that the sun only shines on argieland the cesspit. And GO HOME! Stop stinking up Canada.
@56 Once upon a time.........
@83 On the other hand, YOUR corrupt, venal judicial system is busy destroying the last memories of democracy and justice.
@85 Poor little impotent alex. Still feeling inadequate because of that inanimate lump? And no balls? MEN have balls, alex. So you're not entitled. Have you had a bath, a haircut and a shave yet? Still on welfare?
@91 We'll allow you “sovereignty” over what is yours. (The cesspit). But “dignity”? You haven't had any “dignity” since the 40s!
@93 Don't be concerned. You weren't missed. You do know that her “own goal” is the only one CFK can see, don't you?
@95 How are you planning to live past 1,000 years of age? CRYogenics?
@103 Where's the Libertad's markings then? Below the waterline where they'll be visible when it turns turtle before sinking?
@104 Are you getting angry? Not surprising when you have to read the stupid comments of the dumb bastards. Just remember that Vargas is a coward. Over time he has tried to sabotage a number of websites. Of course, he has never dared travel to the cesspit. Welfare payments are so much better in Canada and he might not be allowed back in. All his “activities” are symptomatic of an inadequate no-hoper. Should we feel sorry for him? Nah. He's unsane. Deranged. Immature. Psychotic.
109 Orbit (#) Dec 16th, 2012 - 12:53 pm Report abuse
Oh, and lest we forget that naval chiefs were sacked at the beginning of all this, no doubt replaced with folks that fared better in the “Yes Cristina”, “Of course Cristina” and “How high Cristina?” inverse competency test. So for anyone not keen on the administration of CFK, this is a strategic win regardless of the outcome of this particular caper.
110 Steve-32-uk (#) Dec 16th, 2012 - 12:58 pm Report abuse
@64 Doveoverdover

Is this your facebook page?
www.facebook.com/you.lier.35?fref=ts

or should I call you Marcos?
111 Pirate Love (#) Dec 16th, 2012 - 01:53 pm Report abuse
What a carry on....
still the vessel has still yet to leave ghanian waters ?? what a complete calamity...
a relatively tiny company versus a very large country, and the company hold argentina to ransom dragging on for months and continue to do so, now that is impressive, and highly embarassing for Crustina and her all surrendering nation of heroes.... :DDD
what a f*kin joke of a regime, seen by the world for what a vile pile of incompetent, corrupt, self serving, sack of shite The argentine government are.... :))) Its all good!!! did soembody say RED CARD??
112 Steve-33-uk (#) Dec 16th, 2012 - 01:54 pm Report abuse
Anyway DOD/Marcos looks like you may be getting your ship back…

‘Ghana Says It Will Abide by Order to Release Ship’
abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/ghana-abide-order-release-ship-17989752#.UM3HhuRWzTo

‘Gov't to take a decision on ARA Libertad after court order’
www.ghanaweb.com/GhanaHomePage/NewsArchive/artikel.php?ID=259622&comment=8656699#com

‘“Vulture Fund” criticized the ruling that ordered the frigate release’
www.eldia.com.ar/edis/20121216/Fondo-buitre-critico-fallo-ordeno-liberar-Fragata-20121216094406.htm
113 Tobers (#) Dec 16th, 2012 - 02:21 pm Report abuse
When the Libertad returns it will get a hero's welcome. Like ARgentina has just won the world cup. It will be milked for all its nationalistic worth by CFK (but also Clarin etc) and will sway those who were losing respect for the government, temporarily, but after a couple of weeks it will be business as usual.

This incident should never have happened in the first place. Argentina shouldnt have got itself into such massive debt and then in desperation signed up to these 'vulture' funds which then pursue Argentina relentlessly.

The release of the ship is not a victory. Its a lucky escape and really nothing to be proud of.
114 Brasileiro (#) Dec 16th, 2012 - 04:14 pm Report abuse
Corinthians!! More one victory against saxons!!!!!
115 slattzzz (#) Dec 16th, 2012 - 04:28 pm Report abuse
@114 magnanimous in defeat the better team won, however it was a win against Chelsea not the whole anglo saxon race so do behave theres a good chap, you'll be claiming it as a victory for the whole of South America next, oops sorry thats argentines who do that :)
116 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 16th, 2012 - 04:36 pm Report abuse
Humiliating ignominious defeat for Singer. Period.
117 Brasileiro (#) Dec 16th, 2012 - 04:37 pm Report abuse
Corinthians equal to South América. Argentina, Colômbia, Suriname, Guiana, Venezuela, Equador, Peru, Paraguai, Chile and Uruguai, of course, Brasil too! Malvinas and Française Guiana are colonies! For now!
118 slattzzz (#) Dec 16th, 2012 - 04:51 pm Report abuse
@117 well you were being sensible for a minute there and then you ruined it by talking shite
See Dopeyoverdover has never answered the question I set him @75
119 Marcos Alejandro (#) Dec 16th, 2012 - 04:53 pm Report abuse
A few weeks ago
“Ghana courts ordered the ship held on a claim by Cayman Islands-based NML Capital Ltd. Its owner, American billionaire Paul Singer”
And today
“Ghana's government said Sunday it will abide by the U.N. Tribunal's order for the immediate release of an Argentine navy training ship”
American thief Singer, the British colony in the Caribbean and his African friends lost.
Argentina won.
120 slattzzz (#) Dec 16th, 2012 - 04:58 pm Report abuse
@119 wow your quick off the mark aren't you, well spotted. Has she sailed yet and how's the Espora getting on in South Africa, just asking ;)
121 Joe Bloggs (#) Dec 16th, 2012 - 05:04 pm Report abuse
119 Marcos

As I said at 26, I am glad the ship is soon to be homeward bound. As for a victory? Tell that to the personnel who “resigned” over it and all of the cadets who didn't get their training in the past few months. Argentina still owes the funds the money. Still Marcos, if you to knock the top off it, you go right ahead.
122 Brasileiro (#) Dec 16th, 2012 - 05:09 pm Report abuse
Law, brothers, LAW! The humanity follow the law! Argentina go to the law, no to the weapons! Great Argentina!! Pride!!
123 Clyde15 (#) Dec 16th, 2012 - 05:19 pm Report abuse
#11
Saxons live in Saxony, a state in Germany. What this football match has to do with the Germans beats me.
#117
The Falkands will probably become an independent country in the near future - not part of Argentina.
124 Joe Bloggs (#) Dec 16th, 2012 - 05:21 pm Report abuse
123 Clyde

In time my good man. In time. I predict my grand kids will be the first generation to vote for independence.
125 slattzzz (#) Dec 16th, 2012 - 05:22 pm Report abuse
hows the espora getting on in South africa anyone know?
@121 it doesn't matter Joe what you say they see it as a victory bless them, not even enough common sense to be embarrased by the whole situation, people losing thier jobs and probably careers matters not a jot. They think the debt will now dissapear and truth be known no Argentine ship will ever visit anywhere outwith SA for the foreseeable future including the Libertad
126 Brit Bob (#) Dec 16th, 2012 - 05:25 pm Report abuse
Ghana 1 Argentina 0

Ghana won by applying the rules of law. Argentina as usual, loses by continuing to flout the rules of law.
127 Brasileiro (#) Dec 16th, 2012 - 05:26 pm Report abuse
#123
England is Saxony! The Celtas people and the anglos and bretões defeated in many years ago. England is Germany.....Saxony germans!!!
128 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 16th, 2012 - 05:28 pm Report abuse
@126

Your spin is as vertiginous as the gyrations of stars round a black hole.
129 slattzzz (#) Dec 16th, 2012 - 05:32 pm Report abuse
@128 and your patter is shit as usual ttt
130 Brasileiro (#) Dec 16th, 2012 - 05:40 pm Report abuse
www.youtube.com/watch?v=QF4V-0qwDrI
Roman Empire no more exist, brother......live your lifes in peace!
131 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 16th, 2012 - 05:42 pm Report abuse
@129

The impotence of being compronted with a juggernaut of debate and veracity.
132 slattzzz (#) Dec 16th, 2012 - 05:42 pm Report abuse
@127 does that mean we've won the world cup four times ...................RESULT
133 ChrisR (#) Dec 16th, 2012 - 05:44 pm Report abuse
127 Brassiere (or Tit-Sling)

What are you on about now?

Argentina and Brazil are countries stuffed full of colonists but your English is so poor the rest of your post is unintelligible.
134 Brasileiro (#) Dec 16th, 2012 - 05:47 pm Report abuse
133
Sorry.
135 slattzzz (#) Dec 16th, 2012 - 05:51 pm Report abuse
@131 No the impotence of having to read the meaningless and basically pointless shite posted by a drug induced juvenile, you been sharing the hash pipe with Proarg and swapping thesaurous, and what's compronted by the way?
136 Brasileiro (#) Dec 16th, 2012 - 05:56 pm Report abuse
Chris...in others words......fuck you!!!
137 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 16th, 2012 - 05:58 pm Report abuse
That's all you have left, personal and vulgar insults. You and all the others antis... that's to what you have been reduced by me.

It is the ultimate triumpth of collected southern reason over irascible and waspish northern fallacy.
138 Brasileiro (#) Dec 16th, 2012 - 06:03 pm Report abuse
Beautiful song....
www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvjNtJr4h4s
139 slattzzz (#) Dec 16th, 2012 - 06:18 pm Report abuse
@137 see what i mean, you couldn't reduce a sauce mate, only to tears through boredom with your thesaurous, bet your the life and soul of the party when your out..................oh thats right you don't get out who'd want to listen to you quoting your dictionary all night, I'd bet half your school mates have tried to transfer to a different school over the holidays, and in fact half the teachers
140 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 16th, 2012 - 06:22 pm Report abuse
Only the Brits would look down upon someone with meticulous drive to become scholarly.
141 Tobers (#) Dec 16th, 2012 - 06:22 pm Report abuse
Nationalism makes many Argentines giddy. These posters who seem to think Argentina has won a great victory when all its done is eventually get itself out of a very embarrassing and costly situation. The -vulture- funds may not be particularly nice entities but how did Argentina end up in this position?

It really doesnt matter what the reason for the nationalism is , they just suck it up and feel warm inside with this false sense of unity. Its one of the most socially divided, unequal, politically unstable countries in the world. And thus to make up for this division and instabilty and to feel secure they go nuts for nationalism.

This in turn takes them away from the responsibility of fixing the social, economic and political problems. Vicious circle. Its easier to get drunk on nationalism than to face upto and fix the problems and the causes that prevent Argentina being as rich and equal societies as those of Scandanavia for example.
142 Brasileiro (#) Dec 16th, 2012 - 06:25 pm Report abuse
No problem brother....if you want block me, very well.....but knows....the world is not the Chris or Salem society! Do you want Salem society down members like Chris? Like others....speak poison for all members....for all body.....changed....your true?:?? please, GROW!
143 RICO (#) Dec 16th, 2012 - 06:25 pm Report abuse
The story is still not over, the case will go back to the Ghana court to determine the way forward and it will have to decide whether to accept the judgment of the tribunal or accept the argument that the tribunal has no authority over things that happen in port. After all the ILOS, the treaty which sets up the tribunal, is a treaty that specifically excludes ports and inland waterways from its terms. Ghanaian courts have jurisdiction over the port not the tribunal.
144 slattzzz (#) Dec 16th, 2012 - 06:27 pm Report abuse
@138 thats lovely but what has Scotland got to do with this except of course it's part of Great britain
@140 No i think a lot of other Europeans, Aussies, Americans, Kiwis, Falkland Islanders etc etc would look on you as an idiot
145 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 16th, 2012 - 06:27 pm Report abuse
Wait... so Ghana has jurisdiction over its ports to decide who enters or leaves, but Argentina does not have jurisdiction to decide who enters or leaves.

Well, that sounds just about British in reasoning. Thank you for elucidating to us.
146 Tobers (#) Dec 16th, 2012 - 06:30 pm Report abuse
@145 narcissist

Get help. Really. You are very sick.
147 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 16th, 2012 - 06:33 pm Report abuse
Another one who succumbs to my perspicuous, bright-line analysis.

And btw, we are one of the most politically stable nations on Earth, if not the most stable. Ripping flatulent opinions from your back cheeks does not make them any more real.

@144

And who the hell cares what you Sinoeuro-amerkiwistralians believe? You are people who have no sense of education, can barely read or perform arithmetic, and have a limited vocabulary or culture of history/geography.

I'm not interested in impressing people with the education level of a 5th grader from yesteryear.
148 RICO (#) Dec 16th, 2012 - 06:35 pm Report abuse
Of course Argentinas laws apply to what happens in their ports, the problem is the Argentinian government is quite happy to turn a blind eye to people breaking Argentine law in their ports where it suits their political ends. It is the Argentine governments attitude and the break down in a law and order in the country which has led to a number of cruise companies abandoning Argentina as a destination. No law, no security.
149 Tobers (#) Dec 16th, 2012 - 06:37 pm Report abuse
@145 narcissist

Get help. Really. You are very sick.
150 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 16th, 2012 - 06:41 pm Report abuse
@148

The law is clear. British ships need not apply. That is the law and must be respected. It is the British who claim it breaks some chimerical “Laws of the Sea”.

You yourself have just said a UN court cannot adjudicate over the sovereingty of the Ghanaians. But you are the same people who for months obstreporously insisted that UN law trumped sovereingty, and that Argentina was obligated to allow any ship that called.

I just showed the Britishness of that position, and you all go into an impotent swivet.
151 Joe Bloggs (#) Dec 16th, 2012 - 06:44 pm Report abuse
“British ships need not apply.”

It would appear that P&O understand just how clear the law is and are respecting it.
152 slattzzz (#) Dec 16th, 2012 - 06:48 pm Report abuse
@147 see there you go again, you shouldn't mention history as it is something you have no concept of except the stuff you are brainwashed with at school and BTW I have forgotten more than you'll ever know. Most politically stable nation on earth, what a cracking joke you idiot try telling the hundreds of thousands of people banging thier pots and pans you halfwit. You have 40+ cases from all over the world pending against you, your economy is in meltdown, and the bigs guns are lining up to get a piece of you, you are a renegade state at best being run by a bunch of thugs and thieves, so take off your CFK tinted glasses put down your thesaurous, put away your tissues and have a look into the real world
153 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 16th, 2012 - 07:00 pm Report abuse
@151

Guess so.

@152

Yes, and people fighting for emancipation and the manumit of slaves were also breaking the law in most of the planet in the 1800s.

I guess we know what side you would have backed then.
154 ChrisR (#) Dec 16th, 2012 - 07:02 pm Report abuse
136 / 138 / 142 Brassiere (or Tit-Sling)

You did know that the song you so admired is a rip-off from the William Wallace fantasy by the drunk girlfriend and mother of his child beater and Jew Hater, Mel Gibson who hammed it up playing the role of Wallace. He was betrayed by many Scottish Clan Leaders (much like AG today) and was defeated in battle by Longshanks, the English King, Edward 1st.

The film bears as much allegiance to historical fact and truth as the pledge of support to TMBOA over the Malvinas (WTF they are) by all the other Presidents in SA. In essence: none!

BTW have you thought that your unintelligible posts are as a result of your lack of intelligence? I am glad to be of help in pointing this out to you – always the first step on correcting defects.

The English of course knew how to deal with rebellious people: subvert their ‘close knit society’, set up both sides against the other and then pick the strongest / shrewdest to support.

Of course this is impossible to do with AG, no close knit society, ALL sides are at each other’s throats but they are all a bunch of wussies and none of them show a glimmer of shrewdness!
155 Clyde15 (#) Dec 16th, 2012 - 07:11 pm Report abuse
#131
Proof read before you press send.....comPronted ?
The meaning of juggernaut in English is “something out of control”
Hmmmm.

#123 Brasileiro.
Your knowledge of British history is rather simplistic and wrong in factual detail. The Saxons did not defeat the Angles but carved out different kingdoms in England - they did not make much inroads into Scotland. The original Britons were forced to the edges of the island and into the middle and southern parts of Scotland by the Romans. The north of Scotland was held by the Picts. The Romans largely stayed out of this area as the Picts were too much of a problem. When the Romans left then it was a free for all. Angles, Saxons and Jutes invaded from the continent, then the Vikings from Scandinavia. The Gaels from Northern Ireland set up a kingdom in the western parts of Scotland.
Then the Normans invaded and defeated a Saxon army to take over the Kingdom of England in the name of William, Duke of Normandy.. himself a descendant of Vikings.
So, there are no Anglos, Saxons or pure blood of any of these races left.
We are a country of mongrels.
Your youtube reference is a work of fiction made into a film.

The tune you like is the theme from Braveheart using Scottish themes and instruments . Again, although the character of William Wallace figures largely in Scottish history, again this film was scripted by Hollywood and is just an adventure yarn spun round some historical events.

I have next to no knowledge of football so I checked the players in the Chelsea team. There would appear to be 14 non-English players in the team squad, so hardly a defeat for the“Saxons”
156 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 16th, 2012 - 07:18 pm Report abuse
@155

www.thefreedictionary.com/juggernaut

2. An overwhelming, advancing force that crushes or seems to crush everything in its path

www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/juggernaut

2. massive inexorable force, campaign, movement, or object that crushes whatever is in its path

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juggernaut

I am indeed a juggernaut of debate and truth... none of you can even scratch my abilities. All you can do is churlish billingsgates.

It helps to read the entire entry of a word, and not just the first one (which by the way, is not what you described either).

Conpronted is a new word... meaning “to confront in a heavy and weighty fashion, as if by imprinting upon” (conPronting).
157 Brasileiro (#) Dec 16th, 2012 - 07:27 pm Report abuse
@ 154
Wtite in portuguese language, i try in englisee. I can write words in englisee, and you? Come on, the ignorant are you, boy! No I!
158 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 16th, 2012 - 07:46 pm Report abuse
No more free ride to insult us antis from Europe, UK, USA, Latin America, and elsewhere.

Those days are over. I'm EVERYWHERE. :)
159 Brasileiro (#) Dec 16th, 2012 - 07:50 pm Report abuse
Meridional África too.....ours brothers in other side from South Atlantic Ocean......Angola and Moçambique is Brasil too!!
160 RICO (#) Dec 16th, 2012 - 07:53 pm Report abuse
Nostraldummy

What part of Argentine law allows a private army of thugs to attack a cruise office, what part of Argentine law allows a group of political activists to hold a cruise ship full of passengers hostage and make political demands of the Captain. The UNLOS requires all countries to protect ships, crew, passengers and cargo safe within their waters and ports. Argentina is failing to honour its treaty obligations and their is a breakdown in law and order conveniently ignored by the government.

Clauses concerning a nations sovereignty over their flagged vessels apply to vessels at sea. When those vessels are in port the laws of the host country apply but the treaty obligations to protect the ship do not end. Neither are the government of Argentina allowed to interfere with vessels carrying out legitimate business at sea.

When British vessels are in Argentine ports Argentine law apples. Argentine law prevents vessels involved in the exploitation of the Falkland Islands mineral wealth from docking. That is why vessels under all flags that are involved in the FI oil and gas industry do not dock in Argentina. No Argie law effects cruise vessels that is why it is the thugs attacking the cruise ships as government proxies, if it was against Argentine law it would be official government organistions acting.

CFK uses the thugs much in the same way as Hitler used the brown shirts.
161 slattzzz (#) Dec 16th, 2012 - 08:01 pm Report abuse
@158 no you are not everywhere you are in your darkened room with a box of tissues and a thesaurous
162 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 16th, 2012 - 08:02 pm Report abuse
I will have to scrutinize your commentary and then make further determination of the veracity and accuracy of the issues raised therein.

I will assert as far as my understanding is, no British flagged ships are allowed in Argentine ports, as the law's purview was expanded from its original scope.
163 RICO (#) Dec 16th, 2012 - 08:57 pm Report abuse
If no British flagged ships are allowed in Argentine ports why is it that the Argentine Navy, Argentine Coastguard, the Port Authority, the police, the minister for transport, the minister for foreign affairs, the minister for security and the minister for trade, the Argentine courts all do nothing. Surely if it was a law it would be someone's responsibility. Instead Quebracho, Maximos private army and unofficial bands of political activists are used.

These are people allied with the ruling party but with no official authority. The government of Argentina has already denied that they are acting on their behalf but if what they were doing was legal under Argentine law wouldn't an arm of government be doing it.

As for it being illegal for all British ships to dock in Argentina, when Britain summoned the Argentine ambassador to complain that it wasn't safe for British ships and that Argentina had breached its treaty obligations, Argentina did not say it wasn't under a treaty obligation to protect the ships or that it was illegal for the ships to dock, the ambassador denied there was any risk to the safety of the ships.
164 slattzzz (#) Dec 16th, 2012 - 09:06 pm Report abuse
@163 well that's rgenweener for you. As for the ambassador Old castro trolly dolly what can you say, she's a cluster fook waiting to happen every time she opens her mouth she embarrasses rgenweener even more, bit like timidman really
165 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 16th, 2012 - 09:35 pm Report abuse
It's Timmerman, have respect for the Jewish people.
166 slattzzz (#) Dec 16th, 2012 - 09:39 pm Report abuse
@ 165 no it's not he's a twat a spineless one at that, and i have every respect for the Jewish people, you could learn a lot from them matey at least they do more than sabre rattle, know what i mean?
167 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 16th, 2012 - 09:42 pm Report abuse
No I don't know what you mean. In any event, irrelevant to the matter at hand. Singer lost.
168 slattzzz (#) Dec 16th, 2012 - 09:45 pm Report abuse
oh sorry did i change the subject thats usually what the rg trolls do, so sorry NOT. And if you don't know what i mean your thicker than I thought
169 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 16th, 2012 - 09:53 pm Report abuse
These British with their bizarro humor.
170 slattzzz (#) Dec 16th, 2012 - 09:55 pm Report abuse
I wasn't trying to be funny, just speaking the truth, something you'll know nothing about TRUTH
171 Steve-33-uk (#) Dec 16th, 2012 - 09:56 pm Report abuse
Latest from the RG govt...

'Hector Timerman, said the unanimous judgment of the Court is “an incentive to the people and Government Argentines.”
“The unconditional release means that Argentina should not bail, bond or any security,” the minister said, referring to the $20 million needed to lift the embargo that the government refused to pay...'
www.ghanabusinessnews.com/2012/12/16/argentina-says-ghana-held-libertad-ship-will-return-january-9-2013/

'Argentinian Economy Minister Hernan Lorenzino hailed the decision and vowed to continue fighting what President Cristina Fernandez has called “vulture funds,” with which the country is locked in a series of legal battles.
“Argentina will continue to defend itself from the financial pirates,” Lorenzino said. “Vultures, you won't succeed, with the ship nor with the debt...”'
www.morningstaronline.co.uk/news/content/view/full/127316
172 slattzzz (#) Dec 16th, 2012 - 10:03 pm Report abuse
@171 really we'll see
173 Anglotino (#) Dec 16th, 2012 - 10:35 pm Report abuse
@147
“And btw, we are one of the most politically stable nations on Earth, if not the most stable. Ripping flatulent opinions from your back cheeks does not make them any more real.”

LIAR! I call you out!

What a blatant untruth. My country was the first country to form by a vote and not a revolution. It has never had a coup. It has never been run by a junta/an army/a dictator. It has never had civil rights suspended. It has had the same constitution since birth. Only the people can change the constitution. Inflation is low. The currency has always been stable and is freely convetible. The judiciary is independent. Elections are free, fair and run independent of the government. The public service is apolitical. Our neighbours do not revile our leader. Crime is low. Living standards are high.

30 years of democracy don't make you the most politically stable on Earth.

My country sh!ts all over yours for stability and has done so since it was founded.
174 slattzzz (#) Dec 16th, 2012 - 10:38 pm Report abuse
@173 well said that man
175 ProRG_American (#) Dec 17th, 2012 - 04:52 am Report abuse
99 stick up your junta (#) and other Brit Turnips are squirming and spitting fire over this historic Argentine diplomatic victory. It demonstriate that Argentina can obtain results based on International law and princiacruise in place of armed methods.
Stick It just brings up littlle history flicks out desperation that he won't see the Libertad Auctioned and go on a Cruise on it.
Great results Arrgentina! Keep it up. Sure sign of things to come. Soon we may hear a judge say “and the Malvinas go to ...Argentina”. I Love it!
176 RICO (#) Dec 17th, 2012 - 05:25 am Report abuse
#175 If you can obtain things in a court of law rather than with armed conflict and the threat of violence. Then why not press your claim for the Falklands through the international courts as you have been invited to by the British on a number of occasions.
177 reality check (#) Dec 17th, 2012 - 07:32 am Report abuse
Wow, historic, RG navy wins sometthing at last, stand by for the movie! gallant defenders repelling masses of African boarders, hand to hand fighting, medals all round and of course, forget not, the compulsory heroic national song, can't wait to see it on youtube.

You RG school teachers are gonna be busy teaching this one!!!!!
178 Xect (#) Dec 17th, 2012 - 08:00 am Report abuse
This thread it seems has caused some Argentine posters (that includes you ProRG_the pretend American) to froth at the mouth and become utterly irrational. 'A sure sign of things to come' - Not likely.

I don't think many of us are surprised the ARA Libertad has cause to be released however if you think that is a victory, then you are sadly mistaken. The PR stunt by the financial group have been extremely successful in their aims to bring Argentina a lot of pain for non-payment. I'm sure for good measure and to impact Argentina some more they will appeal the ruling just to drag this out for a bit longer.

I said it before and I will say it again, I don't think its right for a private fund to be able to seize a Argentine naval asset even if it isn't a warship.

I am, however, surprised by Tobias behavior which seems to of hit a new low in this thread. It's been a downward spiral for Tobias since joining the forum to where we are today.
179 Anglotino (#) Dec 17th, 2012 - 08:08 am Report abuse
Historic?

Wow I suddenly just realised how many historic things my country has done now that I've realised how low we can set the bar!
180 Clyde15 (#) Dec 17th, 2012 - 10:34 am Report abuse
#156
Your trouble with the English language IS that you have no real idea of how it is used in its native land. You take a word from an on-line dictionary - or thesaurus - and use it without any real idea how it will be perceived by an English speaker.
Juggernaut in English has the connotation of some ponderous object travelling out of control. I was pointing out the similarity in your literary style !
When the word compronting is accepted by the Oxford English dictionary THEN I will accept it into the English language.
There is one good point about your verbose and self congratulatory postings, no trees were damaged in the process although several million pixels were severely inconvenienced.
181 LEPRecon (#) Dec 17th, 2012 - 01:25 pm Report abuse
Good Gad! You go away for a few days with the family, and all hell breaks lose.

I have to admit that I am surprised by the ILOST making such a bold precedent. It says in the article that they can't appeal.

Well Ghana can appeal if they wish to, to the highest court on earth, the ICJ, who have the power to overrule the ILOST.

However, Ghana could do several things:

1. Get rid of the Libertad, as it is a poisonous albatross around their necks.
2. Ignore the ILOST ruling, as this is an INTERNAL matter to Ghana, and the ILOST doesn't have the power to overrule a sovereign nations court.
3. Let the Libertad go, but only after the Argentines pay their docking fees in full.

Frankly, if I were one of the Libertad crew, I'd be a bit p!ssed off being told that I wouldn't be home until after Xmas!
182 Simon68 (#) Dec 17th, 2012 - 02:17 pm Report abuse
This could be termed an Argentine “victory” in that ARA Libertad MAY be coming home.

I would call it a success on the part of Ms Susana Ruiz Cerutti the Argentine Agent before ILOST rather than a “victory” of Timerman, Puricelli, or CFK!!!!!

Unfortunately I'm convinced that the Tribunal should not have pronounced on this case because of lack of jurisdiction over inland, or internal, waters. Unless the Ghanaian High Court wishes to wash its hands of the whole thing, they will insist on payment of the bail, US$ 20 million, before releasing ARA Libertad!!!!!!!
183 ChrisR (#) Dec 17th, 2012 - 02:25 pm Report abuse
182 Simon68

MY THOUGHTS EXACTLY. ;o)
184 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 17th, 2012 - 02:30 pm Report abuse
I'm “around” anti-argentine hateful northern-forerign-fiends ... so behave! Behave.

All day, all summer long. I'm stuck to the screen to set the record straigtht.
185 Pete Bog (#) Dec 17th, 2012 - 03:08 pm Report abuse
@ 184
No, you're here to play a scratched and warped record.

@147
“And btw, we are one of the most politically stable nations on Earth, if not the most stable”

This is why the Argentine government has such an inferiority complex that it savaged Argentine academics that dared to question the Argentine rejection of the Falklnd Islanders right to self-determination.

If the Argentines had a stable system, they would not be so overbearing and leave the Argentine public to make up their mind-however the system is ingrained with a belief that Argentina is never wrong and always the victim.



Your humour however, is priceless, to call the Argentine government stable is to exaggerate the word exaggerate, so I can't fault your bathos.
186 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 17th, 2012 - 03:17 pm Report abuse
“bathos” = YOU ARE A WINNER!!!!!

You are thus afforded a free pass for 4 hours today effective immediately to vituperate against Argentines, until 16:15 ART. You will be allowed to berate, depreciate, and slander us and the great Nostrolldamus will not upbraid and chasten you to submission.

So use it wisely.
187 Captain Poppy (#) Dec 17th, 2012 - 03:26 pm Report abuse
Yet another 15 year old comment from the Great Runny Nostrils
188 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#) Dec 17th, 2012 - 04:05 pm Report abuse
Unfortunately you Captain Pooper are not except from my edifying, noetic dispensation of commeupance. So I enjoin you to cease your hostile scurril and also to be less uxorious towards your wife, and declare to her face to face all that you secretly inveigh about here anent her homeland (if your story is echt, of course).
189 Captain Poppy (#) Dec 17th, 2012 - 08:35 pm Report abuse
you're such a self feeding child. It's a good thing your ego is not in your position in life and your confidence is closer to your position than your ego. Your parents have down a very inferior job rasining you.....but than, you are most likely a lab project.
190 briton (#) Dec 17th, 2012 - 08:37 pm Report abuse
So once again the international do gooders hand CFK another victory on a plate,

The world reaps what it sows,
And as long as you keep giving people like her, the will and determination, not to pay debts, the more these countries do it,

Still,
That’s what money is all about,
The people in charge sets the standard, she leads, other will follow,
And the law abiding are stuffed once again.
As for CFK, enjoy your victory,
The IMF is next.

just a thought.
191 Pirat-Hunter (#) Dec 17th, 2012 - 08:55 pm Report abuse
I am sure no one wants to deal with a corrupt regime the real question is who is less corrupt and who will change their past behavior. Personally speaking I don't trust IMF because there's no accountability, And Argentina needs to be independent from other regimes.
www.gregpalast.com/the-globalizer-who-came-in-from-the-cold/
192 Yuleno (#) Dec 17th, 2012 - 09:47 pm Report abuse
181# LEP
You have improved for your few days away.Have a few more.By 2nd of January there will be no worries for you,excepting admitting you got it wrong.
Follow simon68 theory.It say you can keep any ship in a port and legally hold it there.He'll explain how it works.
193 GeoffWard2 (#) Dec 17th, 2012 - 11:36 pm Report abuse
Think (#18)
“INTERNATIONAL TRIBUNAL FOR THE LAW OF THE SEA, 15 December 2012, THE “ARA LIBERTAD” CASE (ARGENTINA v. GHANA) Prescribes, pending a decision by the Annex VII arbitral tribunal, provisional measures (article 290, paragraph 5):
1. Ghana shall release Libertad,
2. ensuring that Libertad, its Commander and crew are able to leave the port of Tema and Ghana
3. and that Libertad is resupplied.
4. Argentina and Ghana shall each submit the initial report by 22 Dec
5. The LOSC requests subsequent information for the Arbitration hearings
The Press Release (for information only) is: www.itlos.org/fileadmin/itlos/documents/cases/case_no.20/C20_Order_15_12

What we really need is the WHY:

This is a PROVISIONAL decision because the setting up of an arbitral tribunal and its outcome will take some time.

Provisionally, because of the ‘urgency of the case’, this Tribunal says,
1. “in accordance with general international law, a warship enjoys immunity”
2. “any act which prevents by force a warship from discharging its mission and duties is a source of conflict that may endanger friendly relations among States” .

The four judges each attached separate opinions, so the real outcome will be in the future and will be not straightforward
194 Think (#) Dec 18th, 2012 - 06:43 pm Report abuse
(193) GeoffWard2

Just for your kind info......

1) the tribunal consists of 21 judges (22 in this case because a judge from the Republic of Ghana was included to balance the prescence of an Argentinean judge... Even the Ghanian judge voted in favor of the Argentinean case.)
www.itlos.org/fileadmin/itlos/documents/press_releases_english/PR_184_E.pdf

2) The five judges that attached separate opinions, did so to express a much sterner position AGAINST the Ghanian conduct and in FAVOR of the Argentinean rights than the final veredict expressed......
www.itlos.org/fileadmin/itlos/documents/cases/case_no.20/C20_Ord_15.12.2012_SepOp_Paik_E_orig-no_gutter.pdf
www.itlos.org/fileadmin/itlos/documents/cases/case_no.20/C20_Ord_15_12_2012_SepOp_Ch_Rao_E_.pdf
www.itlos.org/fileadmin/itlos/documents/cases/case_no.20/C20_Ord_15.12.2012_SepOp_Wolfrum-Cot_orig-no_gutter.pdf
www.itlos.org/fileadmin/itlos/documents/cases/case_no.20/C20_Ord_15.12.2012_SepOp_Lucky_E_orig-no_gutter.pdf

So........ the real outcome will be in the future and it will be quite straightforward.
195 reality check (#) Dec 18th, 2012 - 08:39 pm Report abuse
The only judge that matters, is Ghanain judge, the one in Ghana that is!
196 Doveoverdover (#) Dec 18th, 2012 - 09:22 pm Report abuse
@194 Good work.
197 Yuleno (#) Dec 18th, 2012 - 09:38 pm Report abuse
The Brits this judge shunji yanai is an argentine plant or they are back to supporting piracy so they can get involved and get themselves out of recession.
Or is it they still don't know how to take another defeat
198 Malvinero1 (#) Dec 18th, 2012 - 09:43 pm Report abuse
Or is it they still don't know how to take another defeat
AHAHAHAHAHHAHAAH yuleno you are FINNISHED like uk...Poor deluded broken ex empire,nowhere to go now...Pathetic brits pirates.#194,Think: Excelente summary of links of the case...
MALVINAS ARGENTINAS!
199 Captain Poppy (#) Dec 18th, 2012 - 09:44 pm Report abuse
The only pirates are the financial pirates called argentines.
200 GeoffWard2 (#) Dec 18th, 2012 - 09:46 pm Report abuse
#194
It's good to see somebody is interested enough to find out what the case involves.

The provisional ruling IS straightforward:

The case is 'urgent (why?)
The sailing boat classifies as a warship (because Argentina says it is?)
It is bad form to impound warships.
Let it go.
Pay the bill.

Just why the LOSC considers it complex and in need of further judgments is strange.
What other maritime issues are in question?
201 Think (#) Dec 18th, 2012 - 10:37 pm Report abuse
(200) GeoffWard2

1) The case was urgent because a Ghanian attempt to bord the ship without the permission of its commander had to be repelled by the showing of arms.
A difficult and potentially dangerous situation that demanded an urgent solution.
(First time since I was ~16 that I aprove on an Argentinean military action.................................. I must be getting soft :-(

2) The fregate ARA Libertad classifies as a warship because, as Mr. McDod already pointed at post (103), the Article 29 of the UNCLOS convention states:
“Definition of warships
For the purposes of this Convention, ”warship” means a ship belonging
to the armed forces of a State bearing the external marks distinguishing the character and nationality of such ships, under the command of an officer duly commissioned by the government of the State and whose name appears in the appropriate service list or its equivalent, and manned by a crew which is under regular armed forces discipline.
www.un.org/Depts/los/convention_agreements/texts/unclos/unclos_e.pdf

3) Yes, it is bad form to impound warships.

4) They are letting her go.

5) The bill is on the house.

Regards to your undoubtly sweet and very patient Brazilian Missus (she “must” be)
202 Yuleno (#) Dec 19th, 2012 - 12:24 am Report abuse
Do admission warrant a thankyou Geoff.I don't think so and I wouldn't know when I saw one.ButNML will be untouched and an act of aggression will not be confirmed.Business is business to neo-liberals .
203 Captain Poppy (#) Dec 19th, 2012 - 12:54 pm Report abuse
Can anyone imagine any other country in th world that could get a “Warship” impounded? Only Argentina
204 Think (#) Dec 19th, 2012 - 07:01 pm Report abuse
Well.......
That was that story.....
The ARA Libertad left Ghanian territorial waters just minutes ago.
Argentina 29 - Vultures 0
205 Pugol-H (#) Dec 19th, 2012 - 08:05 pm Report abuse
Dear Malvinistas

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/argentina/9756327/Mayan-apocalypse-Argentina-closes-mountain-over-mass-suicide-risk.html

Still time to take part if you hurry!!!
206 Captain Poppy (#) Dec 19th, 2012 - 10:01 pm Report abuse
It only proves that their are mentally ill people everywhere, not just the USA.
207 Malvinero1 (#) Dec 20th, 2012 - 02:07 am Report abuse
Still time to take part if you hurry!!!AHAHAHAHAHAH It just a way to make money.....pugolito......
208 Pugol-H (#) Dec 20th, 2012 - 08:23 pm Report abuse
@ 207 Malv
Let’s face it Malv, people who believe in Mayan calenders , mystic mountains, mass suicide and spaceships to take their spirits to the promised land, are very likely to believe in mythical Malvinas Islands somewhere over the sea, as well.
209 Falklands are British (#) Dec 20th, 2012 - 11:21 pm Report abuse
204
kcirp a hcus era uoy kniht

dratsab uoy eid
210 Pugol-H (#) Dec 21st, 2012 - 12:27 am Report abuse
@209 Falklands are British
He’ll probably understand that, being backward like he is.
211 Stevie (#) Dec 21st, 2012 - 04:52 pm Report abuse
Pugol
I couldn't resist responding to your post, or some of it at least.
Do you believe in the yearly calendar? Do you expect the world to go under every Dec 31st?

The Mayan calendar is just that, a calendar. It doesn't mention the world going under, it merely states “Happy New Bak'tun”.

That some people make an apocalypse out of it, isn't the Maya's fault.
212 Pugol-H (#) Dec 21st, 2012 - 05:15 pm Report abuse
@ 211 Stevie
Yes I know all that.

Don’t know if Malv does though.
213 malen (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 11:23 am Report abuse
Mayas say that begins sin 21/12/12 a new era of comprehension, peace and friendship, except with britain.
Said the mayans calendar.
214 GeoffWard2 (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 02:07 pm Report abuse
Malen #213
What date was this Mayan calendar written?
AD 900 seems the most likely.
I guess they knew about Britain even then! ;-)

Maya writings could be as old as 400 BC; highest state of development was during the Classic period (AD 250 to 900), and continued throughout the Post-Classic period until the arrival of the Spanish. The Spanish conquest and colonization of Mayan lands was between 1540-1560.
However, the catastrophic decline of the Mayans - as a civilization - was between 1020 and 1100.
215 malen (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 04:40 pm Report abuse
shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
:)))
BC is before Christ, and AD after ....what??
In spanish its AC (antes de cristo), DC(después de cristo)
216 ChrisR (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 09:04 pm Report abuse
215 Malen

Even this atheist knows that AD stands for Anno Domini 'the year of our Lord'.

Did you learn nothing of Latin in your Spanish colonial church? I would have thought the majority of the service would be based on Latin.
217 ProRG_American (#) Dec 23rd, 2012 - 04:50 pm Report abuse
La Nacion and C5N have confirmed that ARA Espora has sailed from South Africa and is headed towards the Brazilian coast where it will join ARA Libertad to escort it into Mar Del Plata Naval base on January 9, 2013.
MERRY CHRISTMAS AND A HAPPY NEW YEAR!
218 Clyde15 (#) Dec 24th, 2012 - 10:22 am Report abuse
#217
Why does the Liberdad need an escort into Mar Del Plata ?
Is she in danger of sinking ?
219 GeoffWard2 (#) Dec 24th, 2012 - 12:53 pm Report abuse
A type 45 destroyer entering harbour at the same time can confuse the weak-minded into believing that the real warship was the one the bailiffs held up in Ghana.
The people can be led to believe anything, if the media can be managed to lead them to this belief.
220 British_Kirchnerist (#) Dec 24th, 2012 - 06:08 pm Report abuse
Great news =) And I hate to say I told you so, but I told you so =) Its so sweet to see the smug gloating of all the haters come unstruck, and their whole pathetic worldview disproven by the real world yet again =) Now this would be a good achievement to cite in a re-election campaign methinks =)

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