Tuesday, December 18th 2012 - 22:18 UTC

UK names southern part of British Antarctic Territory “Queen Elizabeth Land”

The Foreign Secretary announced on Tuesday that the southern part of British Antarctic Territory has been named Queen Elizabeth Land.

William Hague and HM Queen Elizabeth arrive at the Foreign Office

The Queen visited the Foreign & Commonwealth Office for the second time on Tuesday, as the last official engagement of her Diamond Jubilee year. The previous visit was in 1982 to mark the department’s bicentenary.

Following a tour of the building, Foreign Secretary William Hague announced that the southern part of the British Antarctic Territory had been named ‘Queen Elizabeth Land’ in honor of The Queen’s sixtieth year on the throne.

“As a mark of this country’s gratitude to the Queen for her service, we are naming a part of the British Antarctic Territory in her honor as ‘Queen Elizabeth Land’.

“This is a fitting tribute at the end of Her Majesty’s Diamond Jubilee year, and I am very proud to be able to announce it as she visits the Foreign and Commonwealth Office.

“The British Antarctic Territory is a unique and important member of the network of fourteen UK Overseas Territories. To be able to recognize the UK’s commitment to Antarctica with a permanent association with Her Majesty is a great honor”, said Foreign Secretary Hague.

The area now to be known as Queen Elizabeth Land, which was previously unnamed, is around 169.000 square miles (437.000 sq km), making up just under a third of the whole land mass of the British Antarctic Territory. This is almost twice the size of the UK, which stands at 94.000 square miles (244.000 sq km).

Queen Elizabeth Land is bounded on the North side by the Ronne and Filchner ice shelves, to the North East by Coats Land, on the East by Dronning Maud Land and extending on the West side to a line between the South Pole and Rutford Ice Stream, east of Constellation Inlet.

Her Majesty The Queen has been on the throne for 60 of the 104 years since the UK claimed territory in Antarctica in 1908. This includes the entire time it has been known as the British Antarctic Territory.

• The British Antarctic Territory (BAT) extends from 20o to 80oWest. It was claimed by the UK in 1908 and was the first official claim in Antarctica. It was designated officially as a separate Overseas Territory in 1962.

• All claims to territory within Antarctica are held in abeyance under Article IV of the Antarctic Treaty, 1959, which neither confirms nor denies competing claims, but prevents new claims being made.

• The name Queen Elizabeth Land will now be used on all British maps. Because of the unique status of Antarctica, which is covered by an international Treaty that suspends territorial sovereignty, it is for other countries to decide whether or not they will officially recognize this name.

• Place naming in BAT is undertaken on the basis that a currently unnamed area requires a name for scientific or logistical purposes. This approach is fully in line with the Antarctic Treaty.

• Decisions on names are made by the Commissioner of the British Antarctic Territory, who is based in London. The Commissioner takes advice on new names from the Antarctic Place Names Committee, which meets twice a year.

• The BAT has no permanent population. British presence is maintained via three research stations operated by the British Antarctic Survey. The Territory itself is self-financing, investing modest receipts from stamp sales and the income tax from over wintering British scientists in environmental projects

• This is not the first time that land in Antarctica has been named after The Queen. Princess Elizabeth Land in East Antarctica, which was discovered in 1931 by the Australian Sir Douglas Mawson, was named by him after Her Royal Highness Princess Elizabeth (now Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II). And in 2006, an unnamed mountain range in the Antarctic Peninsula was named The Princess Royal Range, in recognition of Her Royal Highness’s work to support environmental and heritage protection work in Antarctica.
 

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1 ProRG_American (#) Dec 18th, 2012 - 10:36 pm Report abuse
You can name it what you want. The Antarctic territory is governed by International Treaty and is no ones property. Britain has again made an unilateral move to provoke Argentina and it's neighbors. This section of Antartica is claimed by Chile as well. I suggest that the Argies name the entire section they claim as Tierra Argentina, or Tierra Eva Peron,or tierra de Pochito (nickname for Juan Peron).
2 Shed-time (#) Dec 18th, 2012 - 10:42 pm Report abuse
@1 What about tierra mullet or tierra thievery? Surely that would suit aregentinians.
3 ProRG_American (#) Dec 18th, 2012 - 10:43 pm Report abuse
2 Shed-time (#) No not really. This was done by naming it “Queen Elizabeth Land”. The same thing.
4 txiki (#) Dec 18th, 2012 - 10:48 pm Report abuse
The argentines should name the same part of Antarctica “Queen Sweet Potato” after their glorious leader.

Nobody owns Antarctica, so countries can name areas how they like.
5 Pirate Love (#) Dec 18th, 2012 - 10:53 pm Report abuse
God save the queen! :)
6 Think (#) Dec 18th, 2012 - 11:02 pm Report abuse
TWIMC

Sorry boys...... But the area has already a name........
Macizo Armada Argentina....
Chuckle chuckle

conurbanonoticias.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/141208_bases_antartida_argentina.jpg
7 redpoll (#) Dec 18th, 2012 - 11:03 pm Report abuse
Ho ho ho! Dont think Queen Cristina will be amused by that
8 Braedon (#) Dec 18th, 2012 - 11:09 pm Report abuse
Say what you will about Cameron's government, his willingness to commit IRL trolling against crybaby nations like argentina speaks highly in his favour
9 Clyde15 (#) Dec 18th, 2012 - 11:15 pm Report abuse
#6
But that's in Argie speak...nobody pays any attention to that.
Before you know it they will be claiming the Falkland Islands..what a joke !
cock a doodle doo
10 MrFlagpole (#) Dec 18th, 2012 - 11:39 pm Report abuse
Dear Argentina,

We did this just to piss you off. Did it work?

Kind regards
HMG
11 José Malvinero (#) Dec 18th, 2012 - 11:40 pm Report abuse
The sucks stockings of the little queen want to make a gift of Christmas. She will take a new dose of drug celebrating their “new conquest”...of the paper.
12 Pirate Love (#) Dec 18th, 2012 - 11:52 pm Report abuse
@6 your Argentine map seems to be missing the real names of these territories and the all important and relevant(UK). your map is an argentine crowd pleaser and nothing more, printed in argentina for the digestion of backward argentines, null and void im afraid! if you replace all the (arg) with (UK) your halfway there,
after all that is REALITY!

SELF DETERMINATION!
13 andy65 (#) Dec 18th, 2012 - 11:55 pm Report abuse
Argentina should call a small part Aregentine Lesbos after the 3 way love triangle Crissy Alicia and the new bird in Washington.
14 Pirate Love (#) Dec 18th, 2012 - 11:56 pm Report abuse
@11 have you heard this one????

GOD SAVE THE QUEEN!
15 andy65 (#) Dec 18th, 2012 - 11:59 pm Report abuse
GOD BLESS HER MAJESTEY QUEEN ELIZABETH THE SECOND
16 José Malvinero (#) Dec 19th, 2012 - 12:07 am Report abuse
“This is almost twice the size of the UK” and pirates make one's mouth water. My country is so small ... seek other distant lands of the south!
17 MrFlagpole (#) Dec 19th, 2012 - 12:09 am Report abuse
Speaking of god save the queen. Anyone remember this:

“Be pleased to inform Her Majesty that the White Ensign flies alongside the Union Jack in South Georgia. God Save the Queen.”
18 andy65 (#) Dec 19th, 2012 - 12:15 am Report abuse
Just to reiterate what our friend Mr flagpole says I ask all greaceball Aregentines to watch the video below

www.youtube.com/watch?v=pn-xEHwwpH8
19 briton (#) Dec 19th, 2012 - 12:16 am Report abuse
you argies spend 30 odd years failing to do something,

and we come along and, hey presto, its done,

that the southern part of British Antarctic Territory has been named Queen Elizabeth Land
long live the queen..
20 malen (#) Dec 19th, 2012 - 12:17 am Report abuse
so funny!!!!!!!
and this truely, again and again, shows why they want Malvinas.
21 briton (#) Dec 19th, 2012 - 12:22 am Report abuse
Malvinas.
no exist,..
22 Stevie (#) Dec 19th, 2012 - 12:22 am Report abuse
I can't help to be amused by this news, the naming has to have some symbolic significance. An arid place with little traffic... God save the queen!!

LOL!!!
23 andy65 (#) Dec 19th, 2012 - 12:22 am
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24 ptolemy (#) Dec 19th, 2012 - 12:24 am Report abuse
Had to laugh when I saw this, it's a bit like poking a stick into an ant hill.
25 Liberato (#) Dec 19th, 2012 - 12:35 am Report abuse
I dont underestand how can you celebrate that ugly cold old b...ch. Do you brits know you are paying her for being royal? for having a blood that is supposedly superior to yours?. Do you believe she has divine rights given from god?. Pathetic.
26 Nostrolldamus The 3rd (#) Dec 19th, 2012 - 12:37 am Report abuse
Fascinating legal anecdote for the English to nosh on and subsequently muse.

The Antarctic Treaty expressly indicates that no new claims shall be made following ratification and entry in effect (which was in '59). Furthermore, it implies that no claims are of a “mortmain” nature. In other words, if the entity which made the claim ceases to exist, any ensuing or succeeding “descendant” cannot have such claim deeded, remised, or bequeathed.

In other words, the English better start praying, laying oblations, and burning incenses propitiating the higher power(s) to keep the UK intact for the next 40-50 years, until the treaty could be abolished, changed, or rescinded.

If the UK breaks up within that time frame, their claim instantly “vanishes” and “England” would have to RE-SIGN the treaty (in which case they cannot make a new claim since the treaty prohibits this), or refuse to sign it in which case the treaty nations can evict them out of Antarctica for not abiding by the rules of engagement.

LOL... I have extra rosaries for anyone who requests them.
27 Tobers (#) Dec 19th, 2012 - 12:48 am Report abuse
@Liberato

Not all Brits like the monarchy. In fact many feel the way you do. However, may I remind you that illogically millions worship God, Queen Cristina, Evita, Peronismo, idea of nationalism and -Las Malvinas- Gaucho Gil, Mayan prophecies etc
28 andy65 (#) Dec 19th, 2012 - 12:49 am Report abuse
@Liberato No we don't think about anything you mention but Apart from the United Kingdom, Elizabeth II is also Queen of Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Jamaica, Barbados, the Bahamas, Grenada, Papua New Guinea, the Solomon Islands, Tuvalu, Saint Lucia, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, Antigua and Barbuda, Belize, and Saint Kitts and Nevis, where she is represented by Governors-General. The 16 countries of which she is queen are known as Commonwealth Realms, and their combined population is 128 million.
Queen Elizabethg is respected the world over unlike the NAZIS running Argentina the dead Nazi Nestor and is disgusting trollop of a wife Cristina
29 ProRG_American (#) Dec 19th, 2012 - 01:10 am Report abuse
A bunch of nonsense by the neat boys in suits and ties and the the girlies with 19th century dresses and big hats.

No one givea a hot. You have no rights to Antarctica. It is an international territory.

12 Pirate Love (#) now wants to Give SELF DETERMINATION to the Antarctic Penguins.
30 Anbar (#) Dec 19th, 2012 - 01:18 am Report abuse
“”“You have no rights to Antarctica. It is an international territory. ”“”

Or you could read the article.
31 ProRG_American (#) Dec 19th, 2012 - 01:30 am Report abuse
I am no specialist on Antarctica but, and I doubt that neither are you all. As far as I know, the Brit Turnip claims conflict with that of others, like Argentina and Chile. They have as much right of claim and to name their section of Antarctica what they wish. They won't bedcause they have no need to make fools of themsleves showing off to the world.
32 andy65 (#) Dec 19th, 2012 - 01:30 am Report abuse
@ProRG_American if you read the article instead of shooting your mouth just like your dear leader Nazi Cristina you might just might become better informed you idiot, also I have spoken with our gracious Queen Elizabeth to see if could pass some of her un wanted wardrobe to that new TRAMP Argentine ambassadore to Washington who looks cheap dirty and poor what a disgrace
33 Liberato (#) Dec 19th, 2012 - 02:55 am Report abuse
Tobers, i underestand about relition of people, feeling and believing in god. But do you really think god gave divine rights to her?. Or that she has a better blood than you?. In part, i underestand the cultural importance you give to the monarchy, but really? god save the queen?. Will you give your life for her or will you give your life for your nation?. And if you should choose between one thing or the other, will you give your life for her or for your nation?.
Evita, Kirchner, Peron, God, Alah, people can change those in a bit. Changing relition or voting for a different candidate.
Andy65, to tell our former president or our current government NAZI, only shows your ignorance on the matter and your lack of culture. The kirchner couple are defined by their anti-militaristics stance and their defense of human rights alowing the trials to suspects of state terrorism from the last military dictatorship, he retired the pictures of Videla ( dictator, political ally of the uk) from all military offices, etc.
Anyway the fact she is the queen of many other nations my stance is the same. She is cold, becouse she was raised that way, she is old, becouse she is, she is ugly, well is my perception of her, and she is a b...ch, becouse even many of your country men think the same way as i do, ask Lady di.
34 José Malvinero (#) Dec 19th, 2012 - 03:20 am Report abuse
21
“Malvinas.
no exist,..”

I have to repeat it again?
Yes there are, see the Google Earth. Are beautiful ARGENTINES islands located 370km of Isla de los Estados (Argentina), Argentina, South America, Planet Earth.
35 KFC de Pollo (#) Dec 19th, 2012 - 04:27 am Report abuse
@34 i only see some beautiful islands called the falklands there. They're north of a place called Queen Elizabeth Land.
36 Marcos Alejandro (#) Dec 19th, 2012 - 04:41 am Report abuse
“It would not be at all surprising if Argentine and Chilean maps of the Antarctic Peninsula region never acknowledged the existence of Queen Elizabeth Land.”

“The Foreign Office said the new name would now be used on all British maps. It said that it would be left to other countries to decide whether to recognise it”

Hahahahaha good luck with that.
May be she believes the story(Disney) and want to be frozen like Walt.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/chunk-of-antarctic-named-in-honour-of-the-queen--a-chilly-signal-to-argentina-8424496.html
37 Lord Ton (#) Dec 19th, 2012 - 06:01 am Report abuse
www.temple.edu/law/ticlj/ticlj22-1Tray.pdf

Read and learn suckers !
38 Britworker (#) Dec 19th, 2012 - 07:43 am Report abuse
I was waiting for this story to land on the Argies with amusement. Of course they are right in that most of South America won't recognise the name. But what this should demonstrate to Argentina is that we actually don't give a stuff what they think. Whether they like it or not, our reach and projection of power around the globe is considerable and our Queen is the head of state of 16 other countries across the globe. The Republic of Argentina is utterly insignificant.
God save the Queen and her South Atlantic realm.
39 Xect (#) Dec 19th, 2012 - 07:53 am Report abuse
Unfortunately for you Marcos the muppet the British are widely respected and whilst the non country that is Argentina may not recognize it, it really doesn't matter since everyone else will.

Argentina is ignored anyway on the basis it thinks some fantasy islands exist called malvinas that nobody else recognizes and then it goes one step further to to claim they own these islands yet never in history have they ever owned these islands.

Argentina - a wonderful fantasy!

Anyone want to bet me that these islands will be acknowledged by other countries?
40 Santa Fe (#) Dec 19th, 2012 - 08:34 am Report abuse
next step is to illegally implant pregnant women into our bases and build a military base with armed soldiers contravening the antarctic treaty just like our old pals the RGs. Jajajaja
41 Shed-time (#) Dec 19th, 2012 - 08:46 am Report abuse
I think Queen Elizabeth Land sounds quite good. It's no different to Victoria in Australia. At least it's peaceful unlike that Argentina place where no one has any morality or ethical framework.

Well done.
42 MrFlagpole (#) Dec 19th, 2012 - 09:14 am Report abuse
All mocking aside. who should name the areas of the British Antarctic territory???
43 reality check (#) Dec 19th, 2012 - 09:15 am Report abuse
@18
Wonder what ever happened to all those blue and white flags we captured, suppose they must be in a museum somewhere?
44 Shed-time (#) Dec 19th, 2012 - 09:21 am Report abuse
@42 I'm thinking the british should. And to be honest, it sounds a lot better than 'donning maud land' and 'queen maud mountains'.

The mullet-strokers are just upset that it's not going to be called nestorland, or maximoland... like some psychotic theme park.
45 reality check (#) Dec 19th, 2012 - 09:25 am Report abuse
Everybody knows Argentina has sovereignty of Antartica, on the legal grounds that they are in the same hemisphere!
46 malen (#) Dec 19th, 2012 - 09:58 am Report abuse
38“ our reach and projection of power arround the world”.............
thats the matter, we know it.
I think Ch and Arg will reject and all the region
47 Mendoza Canadian (#) Dec 19th, 2012 - 10:10 am Report abuse
For those of you who don't know...the Queen is the embodiment of the people. And is repected as such. She is in effect the people who are the masters of the government. Simple. Wouldn't that be nice in some of these tin pot dictatorships??
48 downunder (#) Dec 19th, 2012 - 11:01 am Report abuse
The British , we Ozzies and the Norwegians undertook the early heavy lifting, (exploration and development) of Antartica a long, long time ago. At no small cost in lives and a lot of heroics along the way. This was done with the blessing of the then government of Argentina. (They were much more sensible back then). Now despite the proximity of Antartica to Argentina, if it had been left to you lot, the place would still be undiscovered! So its no good whining and getting a resntment today, Argentina has well and truly missed the boat on this one.
49 Idlehands (#) Dec 19th, 2012 - 11:09 am Report abuse
I could only laugh when I heard about this. It is akin to poking the Argentine bear with a stick and is tremendous fun.
50 malen (#) Dec 19th, 2012 - 11:13 am Report abuse
47 www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/queen-elizabeth-II/972856/Part-of-Antarctica-named-Queen-Elizabeth-Land-as-gift-for-Diamond-Jubilee.html
For me this is the classic concept of colonialism: giving remote land (even they are under international treaty) gifts to Kings and Queens.
51 ChrisR (#) Dec 19th, 2012 - 11:20 am Report abuse
Well what a surprise!

The poor deluded Malvanistas, inc the fake American and no doubt when he wakes up Pratt-Junta are running around like headless chickens over this.

What a marvellous image that conjures up.
52 Britworker (#) Dec 19th, 2012 - 11:22 am Report abuse
@50
Well she is hardly likely to be building a palace there is she or walking her corgi's there is she.
53 willi1 (#) Dec 19th, 2012 - 11:49 am Report abuse
since when is it allowed to any country to occupy a region in the antarctic? are there some more falklands?? or is it belonging to the so called “EMpire” and the other world has to ask to work there??
54 Britworker (#) Dec 19th, 2012 - 12:19 pm Report abuse
@53
We don't need an empire to spread our love. It was always known as the British Antarctic Territory before and there was no bleating then, so suck it up, it's Queen Elizabeth Land now, deal with it!
55 José Malvinero (#) Dec 19th, 2012 - 12:21 pm Report abuse
Pirates of shit were late. This link from Antártida Argentina reads “Land of San Martin” in the peninsula.

1.bp.blogspot.com/_RqqZh7iDB_c/TTwbAQGqeiI/AAAAAAAACAg/BuUzxQDczGs/s1600/141208_Bases_Antartida_Argentina.jpg

I'm sure if you seek one of Chilean origin, will say “Tierra de O'Higgins” is that there are an agreement in 1947 between Argentina and Chile to agreement defining border demarcation between the two countries, Mr. invaders.
56 Idlehands (#) Dec 19th, 2012 - 12:29 pm Report abuse
Hard to take the Argentine claim seriously when they plonked down their claim in the middle of British Antarctic Territory 40 years late and in the middle of WW2.

Reading the Argentine claim on Wiki is rather funny - they claim to be the ultimate anti colonialists and yet have behaved like it's still the 19th century.
57 Britworker (#) Dec 19th, 2012 - 12:29 pm Report abuse
@55
I'm sorry but the Penguins only allow people who pay their debts on Antarctica, it's the rules. You could always fight us for it but your soldiers don't do to well in the cold do they, not to mention your ships that are Muy Oxidado lol
58 redpoll (#) Dec 19th, 2012 - 12:51 pm Report abuse
55 Yes Tierra O'Higgins ; nice idea. Perhaps Argentina should name thier bit Tierra Almirante Brown To be sure that would be a grand pretext for the Republic of Ireland to claim the lot
59 Shed-time (#) Dec 19th, 2012 - 01:17 pm Report abuse
Yet again, IRL trolling by the British Government gets the nazis out from under their rocks professing geographic proximity as the main reason for owning something that you discovered a long time after other people.

If I was Chilean, I'd be worried, because let's face it... Chile is close to Argentina, and Chile has access to the Pacific, which is what the nazis want next.
60 Pete Bog (#) Dec 19th, 2012 - 01:57 pm Report abuse
@50
“For me this is the classic concept of colonialism”

A concept that colonialist and Imperialist Argentina is well familiar with.
But your crude and pathetic colonialist attempts in 1982 to disenfranchise a democracy ended in utter utter failure as indeed it did in 1832 when we also took three months to eject your illegal garrison (you rememeber, the one that mutinied on itself, consisting of murderers and rapists?).
61 txiki (#) Dec 19th, 2012 - 02:13 pm Report abuse
@55

The weak case in both Chile and Argentina's claim are that they made their claim some 40 years after the UK - and at no point during the time from 1908 to their own claims did they dispute the UK claim; their citizens recognised the UK's claim by purchasing fishing and whaling rights from the UK and that the UK and of course as soon as Chile and Argentina made their claims in the 1940s, they were immediately disputed by the UK. The Papal Bull claim is just that - Bull. Antartica is a seperate continent, not an extension of South America. The Reina Batata will have to try a bit harder - and if this ever went to the ICJ, the UK have a far stronger claim to sovereignty.

However, the most laughable claim I have seen is the Argentine claim for South Georgia that is based on the fact that an Argentine company paid for a licence from the UK to base a processing plant their - so therefore does that mean Germany can claim soverignty over argentina because they have a Mercedes factory in the country? LMAO
62 briton (#) Dec 19th, 2012 - 02:19 pm Report abuse
[Malvinas no exit]

Meanwhile argie jealousy once again shows them up,
Their envy is so acute,

You have nothing,
And you will get nothing,

All you do is talk talk and brag.
.
63 GeoffWard2 (#) Dec 19th, 2012 - 04:51 pm Report abuse
The re-naming coincides with the international research programme declaration.
It is good timing.
I like the analogy 'poking the ants nest' (pt #24); made me smile.
64 Gordo1 (#) Dec 19th, 2012 - 05:17 pm Report abuse
www.buenosairesherald.com/article/119723/uk-names-argentine-antarctic-territory-queen-elizabeth-land

It was bound to happen sooner or later!
65 José Malvinero (#) Dec 19th, 2012 - 05:37 pm Report abuse
58 redpoll

Impossible. The glorious IRELAND (who commanded the queen of shit of England right there: to the shit) defends our sovereignty.
In the lyrics of this beautiful Irish song carefully address the truths that says about the rotten English:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzjkX9AYMYQ

♫ Las Islas Malvinas Argentinas♫
66 Shed-time (#) Dec 19th, 2012 - 05:47 pm Report abuse
@everyone... So this @65 chap is clearly delusional. He's a member of 'la campora terroristas' and seems so brain addled that he's decided the irish are pro-argentine in addition to their curious claims over everywhere that is close to them on the map..

What I want to know is where this delusional behaviour begins... is it as a result of schooling? is it as a result of some kind of training they receive when they join la campora?

It would be very interesting to put one through therapy in order to truly understand how they can uphold this level of dissonance without having a breakdown of some variety.
67 emerald (#) Dec 19th, 2012 - 06:41 pm Report abuse
My thought is that the naming of “ Pippa Middleton Land ”“is more fitting rather than ”“ Queen Elizabeth Land ””.
68 Pugol-H (#) Dec 19th, 2012 - 06:47 pm Report abuse
Queen Elizabeth Land - HUZAARRR

In British Antarctic Territory - HUZAARRR

God save the Queen - HUZAARRR

@26 Nostrolldamus The 3rd
Fundamentally flawed, because even if Scotland (for sake of argument) left the UK, the UK would continue as an entity unchanged in all legal respects.

Just as an independent Scotland would have to negotiate membership of the EU as a new entrant, whereas the UK would not.

@55 José Malvinero
The Brits were there (and claiming uninhabited territory, 1908 was a consolidation of existing separate British claims from much earlier), long before you finished conquering your way down S. America to get to be our neighbours in that part of the world.

We have more right to be there, than you have to be in Patagonia.

If you had any idea how hilarious it sound to the Brits when you call US invaders in that part of the world, you would not say it I assure you.

The simple truth is that you have run out of S. America to steal from the Indians, so you think you’ll take British territory instead, the difference is that unlike Atahulpa the British have more than just bows and arrows with which to defend their territory.
69 redpoll (#) Dec 19th, 2012 - 07:04 pm Report abuse
@65 Yes I am perfectly aware of that song. Indeed I wish the Republic of Ireland well and they have had the sense to modify article 2 of thier constitution thus allowing people to choose thier allegiance and who and what they wish to be
I admire Admiral Brown and went to see his grave in Foxford , County Mayo, supposedly partly maintained by the Argentine government. The dilapidation and mess of rubbish and plastic shamed me as a South American
70 gustbury (#) Dec 19th, 2012 - 07:13 pm Report abuse
what hangs between my legs also is yours too, you can put a name!!hahahah. F--- thieves!!!
71 Pugol-H (#) Dec 19th, 2012 - 07:55 pm Report abuse
@70
Nothing hangs between your legs, that’s why you “perdieron las Malvinas por huevones”
72 CJvR (#) Dec 19th, 2012 - 08:45 pm Report abuse
Well the Argies are undoubtedly going to come up with something else to name it, in the absence of the ability to conduct actual imperialism (all those penguins look too tough for the Argie marines) B-A often amuses itself by renaming places in territories it intends to conquer.
73 Shed-time (#) Dec 19th, 2012 - 09:08 pm Report abuse
@72 the mullet-strokers will probably call it 'uncle adolf land' and fill it full of tanks and guns.

... oh wait, they already did that.
74 THEMan (#) Dec 19th, 2012 - 09:47 pm Report abuse
@26 Nostro you still don't know that if Scotland gains independence (VOTE YES 2014!!!), there will still be a UK, therefore holding all current treaty agreements.
75 Anglotino (#) Dec 20th, 2012 - 02:06 am Report abuse
Some interesting arguments and fallacies floating around.

The first one. The UK doesn't cease to exist should Scotland gain independence. So it won't affect it's claim to Antartica. Russia after all inherited the USSR's rights under the treaty.

Anyway guess who will be the Queen of the Kingdom Scotland.

I know Australia, New Zealand, Norway and France will update their maps as they have territory in Antartica and will have little issue with this.

Actually most countries will. Except for Argentina and maybe Chile. Queen Elizabeth is after all one of the most respected heads of state in the world.
76 Marcos Alejandro (#) Dec 20th, 2012 - 04:59 am Report abuse
Interesting comment

”this is just pure sycophantic fawning, so loved by the english and the royal family.

What next ?

Planet Windsor ( formerly known as the earth )

Pathetic self indulgence and small mindedness, and embarrassing on the world stage”
77 Anglotino (#) Dec 20th, 2012 - 06:23 am Report abuse
@76 Marco Alejandro

You don't actually say anything really. You attack but don't actually state a position. It's very weak! Where's your rebuttal? Your counter claim? Your argument? Your facts?

So where exactly is my “pure sycophantic fawning”? Was it my comment on international law? That the Queen will still be the Queen of Scotland even after independence?

Elizabeth II is also the Queen of Australia and New Zealand, Norway is a monarchy and France has a very close relationship with the UK, so I stand by my claim.

”Planet Windsor (formerly known as the earth)“. Hyperbolic much?

”Pathetic self indulgence and small mindedness, and embarrassing on the world stage”

Yes you are indeed pathetic, self indulgent and small minded. And pretty much an embarrassment for your own country as far as I can see. And you just let the whole world see it too.
78 reality check (#) Dec 20th, 2012 - 07:43 am Report abuse
He's also a hypocritical ingrate. Several monthe ago, I read a posting to the Telegraph, from a Marcos Alejandro, writing that he grew up in the UK, as a refugee, the article was Falklands related.
Of course he denies it is him. Different Marcos Alejandro, his Knowledge of the English language and the UK? pure coincidence.

Like I say. ingrate and hypocrit.

Common trait for some on here.
79 GeoffWard2 (#) Dec 20th, 2012 - 11:04 am Report abuse
and even when the monarchy has passed to king after king after king, the land will still be known a Elizabeth Land (formally known as Queen).
80 malen (#) Dec 20th, 2012 - 11:38 am Report abuse
Already rejected by la cámara de senadores in Argentina. Not much noise about this, indifference to all that comes from UK.
If anyone comes to Usuhaia and wants to go to Queen Elizabeth Land, we will say:¿¿¿ lo qué????? No, we dont have that destination. A pity.
81 reality check (#) Dec 20th, 2012 - 12:34 pm Report abuse
“If anyone comes to Ushuaia......” Thought that was appearing to be less and less likely, or did I miss something? Perhaps they think the Cruise operators were fibbing!!! Little Tinkers!!!!!!!
82 briton (#) Dec 20th, 2012 - 01:32 pm Report abuse
every time these Argies have nothing left to say, they bring up the past,

talk about desperate,
Still,

If the Mayans are correct you will all be dead by tomorrow,
that’s why you will never have nothing,
you lot still believe in fairies.
lol.
Still
we will all be back by Saturday
83 ChrisR (#) Dec 20th, 2012 - 01:34 pm Report abuse
@80 Malevolent malen

Nobody with any understanding of the real world has ever heard of AG, or if they have it will only be because of the antics of TMBOA or one of her clowns.

Nobody who wants to go to Antarctica to see the newly named area will be going via Usuhuaia, they will go via the Falklands (there are STILL no Malvinas you pratts) because they will either be British or friends of the British.

Question: has AG GOT any friends, real friends I mean, not just SA ‘Presidents’?
84 Gordo1 (#) Dec 20th, 2012 - 03:02 pm Report abuse
Why are Argentinos so arrogant in nature and so small when faced with reality?
85 THEMan (#) Dec 20th, 2012 - 04:47 pm Report abuse
Argentina: a country with enormous potential, ruined by the pr*cks in power and the people who won't stop supporting her view that the Falklands are theirs. Sort your economy and society out, and you should be much better in a few years time- From a Scot (or UK resident)
86 GeoffWard2 (#) Dec 20th, 2012 - 06:42 pm Report abuse
The northern sector will be King Charles Land (formerly known as Prince).
87 briton (#) Dec 20th, 2012 - 07:02 pm Report abuse
Sooner or later, we will have to build a base down their,
if only to stop the argies from claiming all of it.
88 ChrisR (#) Dec 20th, 2012 - 07:59 pm Report abuse
84 Gord01

Perhaps because on their own they are abject cowards?
89 THEMan (#) Dec 20th, 2012 - 08:00 pm Report abuse
@68 Pugol Just letting you know that under several articles in EU treaties, it states that newly independent states don't necessarily have to re-apply to join the UK so your claim is false. Back to topic now
90 Pugol-H (#) Dec 20th, 2012 - 08:48 pm Report abuse
@ 89 THEMan
Jose Manuel Barroso said they would, earlier this week.

Obviously doesn’t want them keeping any CAP rebates, and being a net recipient country rather than a net payer.

Not proven maybe, definitely not false.
91 THEMan (#) Dec 20th, 2012 - 09:29 pm Report abuse
@90 Pugol
You proved my point then. Barroso has his own opinion of the articles, but they don't correspond to people who actually write and are experts in those laws and treaties.
And erm, I don't think they want to throw out a country that has citizens who have been part of the EU for 40 years, plus we have 50%+ of European fishing grounds and oil worth £1.5 trillion.
92 Escoses Doido (#) Dec 21st, 2012 - 12:04 am Report abuse
Still think the 'pro-argentinian American' posting is not American at all.

An odd name to give yourself.
93 Pugol-H (#) Dec 21st, 2012 - 12:20 am Report abuse
@91 THEMan
The lady from the SNP interviewed on the BBC World Service expressed similar surprise, and sentiments.

Trouble is that his “opinion “is not just that of the “average Joe”.

It is quite clear from this that the terms of Scotland’s membership of the EU, would have to be agreed (with the rest of the (cash strapped) EU).

And you prove my point, that for all the economic reasons you describe Scotland would be expected to be a net contributor.

Be in no doubt that is what this is all about, with the Eurocrats like “no way Pedro”.

With the exit of Scotland from the UK, the EU contribution from the UK would automatically be reduced.

Zero sum game at best, if possible they will want more, you will have to work hard to get them to agree to the same total income FOR THEM.

Welcome to life in the big pond.
94 THEMan (#) Dec 21st, 2012 - 01:00 am Report abuse
@93 Pugol
The UK as a whole, including Scotland, is a net contributor to the EU, according to EU and UK figures so you are most likely false on that one.

Barroso has no say on anything to do with membership applications. He can't reject or veto any apps, so in the long run his opinion is ultimately worthless when compared to legal experts who set up many EU laws that agree with Scotland's stance.
Anyway, I would rather see Scotland only in the Euro Trade Agreement like Norway.
95 Marcos Alejandro (#) Dec 21st, 2012 - 02:18 am Report abuse
80 malen.
“If anyone comes to Usuhaia and wants to go to Queen Elizabeth Land, we will say:¿¿¿ lo qué?????”
:-))))))))))))))))))))))))
96 Escoses Doido (#) Dec 21st, 2012 - 03:15 am Report abuse
You daft? You now know that its been named.

Who would bother to go via Argentina to get to (what is now) QE land
Malvinas - Lo que?????.
97 Anglotino (#) Dec 21st, 2012 - 03:33 am Report abuse
Why anyone would be in Usuhaia asking for directions to Antarctica is beyond me.

Considering how much of Antarctica has been explored and mapped by the British, the last person they would ask is an Argentinean in Usuhaia.

They'd probably get a better reception in Port Stanley..... a bit like the cruise ships.
98 Usurping Pirate (#) Dec 21st, 2012 - 11:57 am Report abuse
Dear RG trollers . In the past 60 years , The United Kingdom has had one head of state , who also happens to be the head of state of many Commonwealth countries . Her reign reflects image of the country , tradition , honesty , stabilty and most importantly managed change .

In the same period , Argentina has had 27 presidents , 9 of them military dictators and almost all the rest Peronists .
You have had the same number of economic crises as presidents , and are just embarking on yet another one now .
Let's face it , you are an nothing more than an ungovernable mob of welfare dependent grief whores , incapable of work , progress or stability .
I don't know about Antartica , but Argentina ought to be renamed
“ Merseyside del Sur ”
99 ChrisR (#) Dec 21st, 2012 - 12:08 pm Report abuse
98 Usurping Pirate

Good point, the difference is of course that there are some REAL gangsters and head-bangers in Merseyside.
100 Escoses Doido (#) Dec 21st, 2012 - 12:12 pm Report abuse
Chem-dewn, Chem-dewn!
101 Pugol-H (#) Dec 21st, 2012 - 03:13 pm Report abuse
94 THEMan
No question the UK is, and would continue to be, a contributor in the EU albeit at a lower level.

Question is what would Scotland be???????

Barroso didn’t claim to have any say over applications, he simply said Scotland would have to make one.

Whilst I personally greatly dislike the man and most of what he stands for, to say that his opinion is “ultimately worthless” in this scenario is frankly naive in the extreme.

He will have had legal advice of his own, and you can be sure (because he has said, what he has said) he is not the only high level Eurocrat thinking that way.

“legal experts who set up many EU laws” – Who is that then?

“that agree with Scotland's stance” – What is that stance then?

Doesn’t look like you will get the option of a Euro Trade Agreement. No idea whether is would work for you, but it would be sensible to at least consider it.
102 Zethee (#) Dec 21st, 2012 - 09:03 pm Report abuse
”The Antarctic Treaty expressly indicates that no new claims shall be made following ratification and entry in effect (which was in '59). Furthermore, it implies that no claims are of a “mortmain” nature. In other words, if the entity which made the claim ceases to exist, any ensuing or succeeding “descendant” cannot have such claim deeded, remised, or bequeathed.”

That's a very interesting story you have there, it's complete crap. But interesting because you act like such an intellectual.

When the treaty was signed, the British empire(the entity it was at the tme) seill held vast areas of Africa under it's power. The empire(entity that signed the treaty) broke up, and became the UK, yet to this day still did not relinquish it's rights to this treaty.

What you have said in that post is utter horse dung. The treaty like all is signed for the reigning reagent. And until the royal family is dissolved the “entity” that signed the treaty is still intact.
103 shb (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 11:57 am Report abuse
I like HM the Queen and think having a non political head of state is a good thing. I support naming part of Antartica after her. However, it is mostly symobolic as the area in question is remote and unlikely to be developable due to the extreme conditions.

I could'nt care less if any other nation decided to re-name the bits of Antartica they claim, either. That includes Argentina. If they honestly wanted to name parts of the continent they have a presence in after national heroes, that would be fine by me.

However, to prevent chaos, there should be an independent body who monitors this. I had a quick look before wriyting this post, but could'nt see who would be the responsible authority for Antartica, unless it falls under the remit of the Antartic treaty system.

Any thoughts anyone?
104 GeoffWard2 (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 01:40 pm Report abuse
The BBC Radio 4 announced that there are just three research stations in Queen Elizabeth Land;
poor as the BBC is, a few second on Google would show that there are a variety of national stations within the sector being operated by a variety of countries.
British reporting of the matter is poor and partisan.
The worthy status of these research stations will remain unchanged even though the name of the continental sector on the world's maps has, from 2012/3, changed.
105 Anglotino (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 07:54 pm Report abuse
@104 GeoffWard2

I do not know which report you are referring to but I couldn't find “a variety of national stations” there.

You are aware that Queen Elizabeth Kand is only one part of the British Antarctic Territory? Its northern boundary is the Ronne Ice Shelf and Coates Land. It doesn't included Palmer or Graham Land on the Antarctic Peninsula.

I don't think the BBC got it wrong mate.
106 briton (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 08:03 pm Report abuse
the things we do, to stop CFK creating her very own argie empire,

still,
argentina may yet break up.
107 Pirat-Hunter (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 09:05 pm Report abuse
Argentina should build a permanent base in Antartica Argentina and require visas from all visitors to Antartica as the brits do in malvinas Argentina we give the world a chance to be a part of antartica Argentina and they brought their pirates and colonists to rob us, let's populace Antartica and build a town for latin Americans to visit and reproduced.
108 Escoses Doido (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 10:39 pm Report abuse
@Pirat-Hunter,

Firstly, - How many Pirats have you caught so far?
Secondly, - How old are you?
Thirdly, - What the Fkuc are you on?.
109 aussie sunshine (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 10:45 pm Report abuse
when is The UK going to plant the UNION JACK on Mars!!??
110 Escoses Doido (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 11:37 pm Report abuse
Sunshine, - Plant the Aussie flag on Mars. You blokes are probably more capable of doing it, - And your flag has the union jack on it too.

Everybody wins!
111 Boovis (#) Dec 23rd, 2012 - 10:20 am Report abuse
109: never, you absolute moron, because Mars isn't a ship. The Union Jack is only flown on ships,.Christ...this is the level of idiot we have to deal with...
112 JohnN (#) Dec 23rd, 2012 - 06:35 pm Report abuse
This is good news for 60th! Its right for world history and its right for Antarctic tourism opportunities too!

Queen Elizabeth Land in Antarctica complements Norway's Queen (Dronning) Maude Land next door.

Google blog page, “Become an Antarctic explorer with panoramic imagery” has some imagery in Queen Elizabeth Land:
googleblog.blogspot.ca/2012/07/become-antarctic-explorer-with.html

High summer at British Antarctic Base Rothera: www.antarctica.ac.uk/living_and_working/research_stations/rothera/

Google aerial view Rothera Base: goo.gl/maps/pL9BV
113 Hepatia (#) Dec 24th, 2012 - 10:54 am Report abuse
I missed this story some how. It doesn't to have been very prominent in most publications.

Surely the Brits are joking! If not maybe other countries can follow the UK's lead of naming lands after client monarchs. For instance, the Israeli government could cast back into the past for a client king of their own and rename Israel “Herod's Land”. What a laugh.
114 British_Kirchnerist (#) Dec 24th, 2012 - 11:37 am Report abuse
It should be called Queen Cristina land =)
115 GeoffWard2 (#) Dec 24th, 2012 - 12:18 pm Report abuse
Anglotino (#105) re. 104 GeoffWard2

“I do not know which report you are referring to but I couldn't find “a variety of national stations” there. ”

I found lots of nations with permanent and/or seasonal stations in Queen Elizabeth Land. 30 seconds on Google -> Wiki gave me a long list and a map:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Antarctica_Station_Map.gif
116 Anglotino (#) Dec 24th, 2012 - 01:09 pm Report abuse
@115 GeoffWard2

I can't believe you just compounded your mistake.

Antarctica is 14,000,000km2
The British Antactic Territory is 1,709,400km2
Queen Elizabeth Land (QEL) is 437,000km2

So QEL is only 25.5% of British Antarctic Territory or 3% of the entire continent.

As I stated before, its northern boundary is the Ronne Ice Shelf and Coates Land. It DOES NOT include Palmer or Graham Land on the Antarctic Peninsula.

Find an actual map of QEL and then compare it to your map or list.
117 JohnN (#) Dec 24th, 2012 - 03:14 pm Report abuse
116 Anglotino & 115 GeoffWard:
FCO probably geo-crafted QEL boundaries to exclude currently-active foreign bases. Apparently now-abandoned Arturo Parodi base (Chile) might be inside QEL boundary, while Sobral (Argentina) appears to be sited just outside.

Not sure about Amundsen-Scott Polar Base, as it is said to be shifting, but if A-S base photo aligned North-South, probably just outside QEL as well as British Antarctic Territory and QEL boundary at True Geographic South Pole .

FCO Announcement: “Because of the unique status of Antarctica, which is covered by an international Treaty that suspends territorial sovereignty, it is for other countries to decide whether or not they will officially recognise this name.”
- so I'm definitely going to ask Canadian government to recognize QEL name. Right now, along with several other Commonwealth Countries, we do have several Queen Elizabeth Parks in Canada but QEL in BAT has a cachet far beyond a park.

Map of Antarctic bases (includes Arturo Parodi and Sobral):
upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/98/Antarctica_Station_South_Pole_Amundsen-Scott.gif

Aerial photo of Amundsen-Scott base, with South Pole labled as sited near lower left corner:
upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e1/Pole-from-air.jpg

FCO News Queen Elizabeth Land:
www.gov.uk/government/news/queen-elizabeth-land
118 Musky (#) Dec 25th, 2012 - 01:50 pm Report abuse
Nice touch to name the land after the Queen, typical of Argentina to complain. No doubt such dominions are really just reflecting a country's efforts in science and surveying in that area and nothing may come from sovereignty but as with all land masses, exploration and discovery are prizes in themselves.
119 shb (#) Dec 25th, 2012 - 10:23 pm Report abuse
@boovis - actually you can call our (GB/UK) flag the Union flag or Jack. The terms are both technically correct both on a ship and on land.

The Admiralty and navy do usually refer to it as a the union jack, but this is not a hard and fast rule.

I thought the same as you until the BBC did a documentary about it, I was quite surprised.
120 JohnN (#) Dec 26th, 2012 - 01:45 am Report abuse
119 shb, boovis, aussie sunshine:

Indeed, not a hard and fast rule for labelling as Union Jack or the Union Flag.

Similar for Australia and Canada, the common official term is the “Union Jack”, but in Canada since 1964, known as the “Royal Union Flag”, differentiating it from the British colonial Canadian Red Ensign, used by the Royal Canadian Navy and adopted by all Canadian military services to carry into battle and the country during WWII.

Australia flag: www.anbg.gov.au/oz/flag-union.html

Canada flag history: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Canada#History

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