Thursday, December 20th 2012 - 05:45 UTC

Brazil re-launches industry to develop high precision rockets and missiles

Brazil is pursuing a multimillion-dollar program to revive and modernize its precision strike technologies with the aim of developing rockets and missiles both for domestic military use and exports.

Under military rule Brazil developed profited from precision rocket exports mainly to Mid East

Brazil under military rule from the mid-1960s to mid-1980s profited from precision rocket exports, many to former Iraqi strongman Saddam Hussein and Arab states in the Persian Gulf.

The end of the Iraq-Iran war and the Cold War set Brazil's defence industry back, with production shutdowns, job losses and collapse of the export market but all that is intended to change.

The one billion Real (480 million dollars) initial outlays by the Defence Ministry is focused on updating Avibras' ASTROS, acronym for Artillery SaTuration ROcket System, which is capable of launching multiple rockets.

A modernized ASTROS 2020 configuration will include the production of a GPS-guided short-range rocket and an AV-TM300 missile that gives the new system a 180-mile strike range.

That level of reach would stand out in the global market, as it would rival the US Multiple Launch Rocket System and Army Tactical Missile System combined, Defence Industry News said on its website.

Analysts said the Brazilian investment indicated the government's strategy to regenerate defence manufacturing neglected over nearly three decades.

Brazil has been investing in research and development of GPS-guided rockets and has sought to increase their range during the development process. Earlier versions of 180mm SS-AV-40 guided rockets are known to have a range of about 25 miles but Brazilian research has also looked into developing jet-powered cruise missiles to increase the range.

A full ASTROS system includes one battalion level command vehicle in charge of three batteries, fire control vehicles, rocket launchers, ammunition re-supply vehicles, recovery vehicles and a mobile weather station.

The vehicles are usually transported in a C-130 vehicle but Brazil's Embraer aircraft maker is also developing a tactical military transport aircraft that hopes to compete with the Hercules as well as rivals from Europe, Russia and Israel.

Brazil's defence revival has seen a hard fight to claw back market share when its Engesa S.A. filed for bankruptcy in 1993 after Avibras applied for bankruptcy protection in 2008 but was rescued with government funding.

As part of the support incentives, the Defence Ministry in August announced financing of 760 million dollars from its Growth Acceleration Program. At least 30 Astros and associated vehicles are likely to be part of that acquisition.
 

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1 Captain Poppy (#) Dec 20th, 2012 - 01:20 pm Report abuse
Seems like the “peaceful” people of Brazil are militarizing the south atlantic. Though these seem more geared to something like a border war.
2 reality check (#) Dec 20th, 2012 - 01:26 pm Report abuse
Looks a nice bit of kit, stick with the MRLS though, proven technology, garuanteed to ruin someones day.
3 briton (#) Dec 20th, 2012 - 01:53 pm Report abuse
Aparently they will be deployed along the argentine border, just in case
any mad cows cometh north,
so they say..
4 reality check (#) Dec 20th, 2012 - 01:59 pm Report abuse
If that should ever be the case the Brazilians have developed a secret sub munition. It's loaded with Greenbacks US$ US$ US$. Garaunteed to neutralise the enemy and absolutely no collateral damage.
5 Rufus (#) Dec 20th, 2012 - 02:07 pm Report abuse
I wonder if the Brazilian version of the GSRS will actually have enough storage space inside for it's crew's gear (unlike the US version).
6 briton (#) Dec 20th, 2012 - 02:20 pm Report abuse
Still
We bet the Argies will be jealous,
All they have is catapults lol.
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7 Rosarino (#) Dec 20th, 2012 - 02:40 pm Report abuse
we have CP30 (30km) and develop CP90 (90km whit a seeker) - But ASTROS was proben in combat , www.army-technology.com/projects/astros/astros2.html and is a very good system, even americans are glad tu use them in GULF-
Brazil has more missiles systems, developed whit SA (Darter), or indigenous, same as MAR-1 (EXOCET KIND), etc-

We are very happy ;) because reduce our dependence of countries like YOU-

Regards!
8 reality check (#) Dec 20th, 2012 - 03:31 pm Report abuse
At first glance I noticed looking at photographs, is that the M270 carried 12 of what I assume is standard munitions, whilst the ASTROS carries four. That's a threefold increase of firepower per vehicle and per unit. It's also tracked, and does not need stabilizing, as seems does the ASTROS, those are hydraulic legs I see in the photograph? Drive up shoot and scoot.

However, as always, it will come down to one thing cost!
9 razor654321 (#) Dec 20th, 2012 - 03:49 pm Report abuse
For domestic use?? I thought South America was one big happy family now?? Maybe I was thinking of another South America.
10 Captain Poppy (#) Dec 20th, 2012 - 04:29 pm Report abuse
Venezuela to the north and a lesser worry, argentina to the south, they might need protection. But then again, maybe they are militarizing the South Atlantic. But I would think that they are nt in the communist frame of mind as much as their neighbors are.....so yes, not such a “MR. Rogers Neighborhood.”
11 Raven (#) Dec 20th, 2012 - 05:01 pm Report abuse
Quote @7 Rosarino

'' But ASTROS was proben in combat , www.army-technology.com/projects/astros/astros2.html and is a very good system, even americans are glad tu use them in GULF-
Brazil has more missiles systems, developed whit SA (Darter), or indigenous, same as MAR-1 (EXOCET KIND), etc-

We are very happy ;) because reduce our dependence of countries like YOU-

Regards!''

From the same website you linked to.

''Deliveries of Astros II started during 1983 and the system is operational in the Brazilian Army, Saudi Arabian Defence Force and the Malaysian Army. The system is battle proven, having been used in action by the Iraqi Army in the Gulf Wars. Saudi Arabian systems were used during the Gulf conflict in 1991.''

Please tell me where it mentions the USA using them?

The MAR-1 targeting surveillance radars and fire-control radars and is not like ''exocet kind''

Do you wish less reliance on the West. Then do not use GPS, which of course all these weapons you mention were built around!

Go pay for your own version of GPS. Good luck, it costs billions.
12 briton (#) Dec 20th, 2012 - 07:13 pm Report abuse
good point.
13 Brasileiro (#) Dec 20th, 2012 - 08:21 pm Report abuse
GPS é um sistema satelital, nada a ver com UDA ou UE. O Brasil está lançando um satélite militar agora em março/2013 para compor um sistema de dois satélites voltados exclusivamente para a defesa.
“GPS is a satelite system. Brasil launching more one satelite for defense in march/2013. ”
14 Captain Poppy (#) Dec 20th, 2012 - 09:04 pm Report abuse
GPS needs a good 24 to 30 satelittes to be effective.....so one more is not going to do very much.
15 Brasileiro (#) Dec 20th, 2012 - 09:18 pm Report abuse
Our economy is agriculture! Two, or three satelites, is good. We dont go to Afeghanistan!
16 Shed-time (#) Dec 20th, 2012 - 10:20 pm Report abuse
What's brazil shooting at?
17 Brasileiro (#) Dec 20th, 2012 - 10:25 pm Report abuse
Oh, we dont can shooting? Why? Only USA can shoot? Why? We are alives. We are humans...and, if USA or UK invade SA.....we are alive
18 Captain Poppy (#) Dec 21st, 2012 - 12:17 am Report abuse
2 or 3 won't even give you decent maritime navigation.
19 Brasileiro (#) Dec 21st, 2012 - 12:34 am Report abuse
We pay roialtyes for the north american support. But, is very expensive for us construct armies and manteinence. If you can, good. Congratulations. But our lifes is not military, ok?
20 reality check (#) Dec 21st, 2012 - 06:28 am Report abuse
True, but your Defence Industry earns your country a nice little penny, or should I say Real. If this story is anything to go by, it is going to continue to do so.
21 Captain Poppy (#) Dec 21st, 2012 - 11:07 am Report abuse
Exactly, there life may not be military, but who's truly is? But then again, they bring home the beacon building and selling weapons.....so nice and cleaner.
22 Burn1938 (#) Dec 21st, 2012 - 03:08 pm Report abuse
Will the rockets be used against Paraguay ?
23 ProRG_American (#) Dec 21st, 2012 - 03:38 pm Report abuse
Good news for SA defense industry and UNASUR. A lot of rocket development going on in SA right now.
Some Turnips are suggesting that these systems are for use against each other in SA. These systems are meant for modernization and export. A way of becoming independent in defense.
A joint GPS system is in the works. Many of the components were sent up on SAC-D for testing.
24 Captain Poppy (#) Dec 21st, 2012 - 06:45 pm Report abuse
lol sure ProRG_a american. Not many birds are flying. Paraguay is the enemy of choice Burn1938
25 reality check (#) Dec 21st, 2012 - 09:32 pm Report abuse
Christ and he call himself a yank!

Fuckwit. what real army is going to buy these. when you, if you are indeed a you, can supply, M270's.

Jesus, the first time they appear in the field against the M270. They are dead.
Nice piece of kit for skirmishes, yes, go up against the big boys and excuse the language, but well and trully fucked.
26 ProRG_American (#) Dec 21st, 2012 - 11:55 pm Report abuse
Paraguay is a mber of UNASUR. No enemy there. M270 and these systems are not designed to go up against each other, that is unlikely it would happen in any scenario. These systems will be sold to countries that want them if they fot their defense plans. The bottom line is, which is the most economical system that satifies each nations requirement.
27 reality check (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 02:09 am Report abuse
Crap! whoever they sell them to had better know their limitations and not take them up against a professional army equipped with the M270, with all of it's component arms. They will get blown back to the fucking stone age! and that's being kind.

Nice bit of kit.Very nice kit! but it's like a feather weight taking on a heavy weight, or a mouse, trying to fuck a elephant.

That's the way it is. Buy this stuff within those parameters, but for christ sake, stay away from the big boys!!! or you will have lost a lot of money.
28 Captain Poppy (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 02:01 pm Report abuse
These look like they have only 4 artillery rockets and our M-270 fires 12. Either way these are conventional warfare weapons, for use against divisional or even corp size battles. When you start a conventional campaign and soften up the engagement area with several weeks of an air campaign, I am not sure if any of these will be left.
29 Clyde15 (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 04:26 pm Report abuse
A bit off topic but this is something worth developing rather than weapons of war, notice BRITISH engineers !
Highlight and right click web site below

www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/in-focus-british-engineers-crack-secret-of-reusable-spaceplane-379609/
30 ChrisR (#) Dec 24th, 2012 - 11:16 am Report abuse
7 RosarinA

So why is Dilma, quite rightly, buying fighting ships and their technology licences from the UK?

FFS grow up for once.
31 British_Kirchnerist (#) Dec 24th, 2012 - 02:23 pm Report abuse
Can't say I approve of the industry, but its interesting Brazil has its own homegrown one unlike most of the “third world”. Also interesting the right wing dictatorship armed Saddam, that was when he was the west's best mate...
32 Captain Poppy (#) Dec 24th, 2012 - 03:19 pm Report abuse
Must be sad for you BK to watch your nation self destruct. Perhaps argentina can get it's act together after the “cunt of argentina” stop stinking up the place. Perhaps they have already, she's been out of sight for some time now.
33 British_Kirchnerist (#) Dec 27th, 2012 - 02:48 pm Report abuse
#32 “Must be sad for you BK to watch your nation self destruct”

It is, but I believe Britain will survive seperatism with a No vote in the 2014 referendum, and eventually learn that austerity doesn't work, and move to the left. At least thats what I'm campaigning for, I'm not just going to sit by and watch...
34 Captain Poppy (#) Dec 27th, 2012 - 03:10 pm Report abuse
Argentina you fool, the one with your honey that gives you an erection based on all you meaningless talk of her ugliness.

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