Buenos Aires sends Border guard to contain rioting and looting in Bariloche
The Argentine government is deploying four hundred border guards to the Patagonian resort of Bariloche following violent looting in several local supermarkets and other businesses on Wednesday. Cabinet Chief Juan Manuel Abal Medina made the announcement on national television.
Earlier in the day dozens of masked people armed with sticks and stones broke into two supermarkets in the Argentine Patagonia resort of Bariloche after claiming food and goods for Christmas unleashing riots and looting.
First reports say the attackers, mostly adolescents, arrived from neighbouring shanty towns and turned the places over looting food, alcohol but also appliances and LED TVs. When police forces arrived they were received by a hail of stones from looters that were protecting those running away with the loaded supermarket carts.
The Wednesday looting that started at a supermarket belonging to Wal-Mart rapidly extended to other poor areas of the posh resort while outnumbered police fought back with batons and rubber bullets. However the municipality said they had not enough personnel to control the situation.
The targeted Changomas is located next to ‘Nuestras Malvinas’, one of the poorest areas of Bariloche and at first there was a dialogue between the attackers and the supermarket personnel, which was prepared to hand out Christmas baskets as had been suggested by local authorities days before.
However the situation rapidly deteriorated and the masked adolescents broke in and started looting. In what seemed an organized attack, women, even with children went after food, the men alcohol and teenagers for appliances and LED TVs, bicycles and brand clothing.
The lack of immediate police reaction and local politicians fears of ‘repression headlines’ encouraged a greater group to again march on the supermarket and this time some parked cars were set alight. Likewise the hordes marched on to other businesses, mini-markets, and butcher and bread shops in the area. Apparently the looting pattern was similar, mainly with the adolescents doing the breaking in and protection of those fleeing with the full carts.
Although the incidents came as a surprise there had been insistent rumours that something was brewing. Kirchnerite Mayor Omar Goye had been warned by members of other shanty towns and he suggested supermarkets hand out Xmas baskets to families to cool the situation.
San Carlos de Bariloche Town Hall’s Secretary Oscar Borchici told reporters “We always hear rumours indicating lootings could happen, but this is totally insane. Plus, I don’t understand why they need to take LCD TVs.”
Bariloche is still recovering from last year’s volcanic ashes that covered wide areas of Argentine Patagonia, killing half a million sheep and frustrating much of the 2011 winter season. In effect Bariloche was isolated by air for months and the federal, provincial and city governments distributed social programs. However these programs are coming to an end and the slum dwellers had warned about the consequences.
A few months ago the local indigenous population tried to pull down the statue of General Roca in downtown Bariloche who the Mapuches consider guilty of genocide against their ancestors.
Furthermore relations between the police and residents of shanty towns are complicated following the killing of three adolescents in 2010 during demonstrations that ended in bloody clashes with security officers.
”The situation is very serious; we are not in total control yet, and we haven’t been able to identify the groups or the organizers of all this vandalism. We are investigating and although all supermarkets in the area have closed for the rest of the day at this moment I can’t give a clear idea of the situation”, admitted Borchini on Wednesday evening.
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. In U.S. University studies, there's no onservable differences mentally or motivationally between genders anymore.
What are you talking about?
@2
Yes, if it comes to Buenos Aires, it will be serious.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=1K_ox7GBk0E&list=FLmXPTu1f8AdGlizWNiASx2A&NR=1&feature=endscreen
Gag
I don't know how a whole county can have NPT and be delusional at the same time.
It must be in the water
When you cannot afford the basic basket of goods because hyperinflation is disguised, then what do they really expect? (does the basket contain a 50inch TV?)
This is a great thing to do and shows a sense of corporate responsibility. Such a shame that those poorest in society feel that they are not looked after to the extent that they need to do this. As we know in London, loooting isn't always rational. People will generally take what they can get once things get going...
What we are witnessing is a basic destabilisation of civil order brought about by the inequality caused by Kretina's corruption & self-destructive economics. More and more will be made unemployed by TMBOA until a point of criticality will be reached. Either civil order will break down and the Police wont be able to contain it (or wont want to!) and mob rule will be the norm, or the people will gather together (with elements of the Armed Forces) to remove the Bitch that inflicted this on the Argentine public.
From small beginnings, big things do grow.
I know which destination's I would prefer to avoid on a SA cruise, the one's where you risk being caught up in civil unrest, the one's you risk being kept captive in port while the captain is forced to alter his travel itinerary by state sponsored thugs.
Viva the Falklands.
Could you blame the Mapuches attempting to pull down the statue of the past murderer-in-chief? How would Parisians feel about a statue of Hitler?
It is NOT going to be a happy Christmas in Argentina .
The footage I saw seemed very orderly -in a looting kinda way - families pushing trolleys loaded with a mix of food, alcohol and large electrical items. A bit like a family day out, with the police and authorities doing bugger all about it.
She will milk it for every last drop, just hope it back fires as I am sure the people of Argentina would rather have stability and food on their tables than a stupid bloody ship returning rammed down their throats.
Haven't you noticed that Cristina keeps her mouth shut when these things happen? Perhaps, she doesn't care, or worse secretly approves of this type of behavior, thinking that's it's some sort of “social justice”. Who knows what kind of twisted mind is behind that botox inflated mask.
On the Argentine territory Mapuches tribes fought against the true original people and exterminated them.
With the time they became so powerful that they attacked, in groups of tribes, cities and farms killing the pioneers, reducing their families to slavery, setting fire the constructions and stealing the live stock.
Mapuches are as originating people of the Argentine territory as Spanish, Italian or Welsh people.
The reaction against Julio Argentina Roca is being “fueled” by the Catholic Church since he, as (free-mason) president, forced the Catholic Curch to accept the free and secular public education. He even expelled the Vatican ambassador from the country during 17 years.
Peronism, as any fascist parties around the World, has always have deep bonds with the Catholic Church. So, JA Roca is hated by the peronists who also have always hated free-masons.
Please, I invite all of you to read a little of argentine history before writting wrong information about JA Roca. .
Now we just need a dictatorship of the proletariat.
Typical Argentine distortion of history : ”On the Argentine territory Mapuches tribes fought against the true original people and exterminated them.
With the time they became so powerful ( how ???? ) that they attacked, in groups of tribes, cities and farms killing the pioneers, reducing their families to slavery, setting fire the constructions and stealing the live stock “
The real version ” European settlers arrived with 19th Century technology ,alcohol and european diseases and began to displace the aboriginal tribes . The tribes naturally resisted and were eventually wiped out ”.
The freemasonry stuff is the usual paranoid fantasy .You'll be telling us
about lizards in human form next .
So what do you suggest ?
a) blame everything on the past
b) Ethnic cleansing
c) find another scapegoat
But the fact that they stared crossing the mountains in large gruops in both, the Independence War and the Chilean Civil war (called Guerra a Muerte), is an historical fact. The attack to the Boroganos in “Salinas Grandes” by the mapuches led by their Chief Calfucura is also an historical fact. The so called “proceso de araucanizacion” of the Argentine Pampas is also an historical fact. Please, I invite you to read “Una excursion a los Indios Ranqueles” were Calfucura mentioned the writer “I was born in Chile”.
So there is not distorsion, there are tribes that can be considered “original” of the current territory and other that cannot. Mapuches belonged to the West side of the Andes. I'm sorry but I'm not distortin anything it's just historical facts.
The fact that Europeans displace the aborigila people with our vices and illnesses is true but is part of what happened all around the globe, including Canada, USA, Australia, NZI and SA.
But your qualification that the “free-masonry stuff is paranoid” simply shows that you ignore argentine history. There is not paranoid. Just check on the web. Law 1420. check the details and the clash between the President J.A Roca and the Churt. (The Vatican representative expelled was a priest by the name of Mattera). That's history and not fantasy !!!
J.A. Roca, also officially created both, Buenos Aires and Cordoba universities, and take the cementeries, bauthisms, and marriages out of the Catholic Church Authority.
Only those who ignore some basic tips of Argentine history or are on the Catholic Church side, denny this.
“Mapuches are as originating people of the Argentine territory as Spanish, Italian or Welsh people.”
That is a twisted and apologist view.
If we take the area in question, Nahuel Huapi, it was inhabited (at the time of Spanish arrival in Peru) by Puelches, Pehuenches, Poyas and Mapuches (although the largest part of the Mapuche nation was in Chilean Araucania).
The Spanish moved south through Chile long before European started settling Neuquen or Chubut. The Spanish war “Guerra de Arauco” started in 1536 and lasted nearly 300 years at varying levels of intensity. The Mapuche were the only indigenous group in the Americas to take the fight to the Spanish. They humiliated the Spanish on the battle field (without gun powder or steel) routinely and it wasn’t until small pox decimated the Mapuche that the Spanish were able to score a victory.
By 1740s the pressure on the Mapuche population from war, pestilence and hunger cause large movements eastwards. They assimilated peacefully with the Poya and Puelche, but the Pehuenche resisted and were defeated in battle by the Mapuche. So more than 100 years before the first Welsh settlers arrived on the Atlantic coast, Nahuel Huapi was Mapuche territory.
In 1810 after Chilean independence, the Mapuche council accept a peace agreement and are theoretically integrated into the new Chile (revolts continued and continue today).
In 1860 the welsh arrive on the Atlantic in a territory inhabited by the Tehuelche group (not Mapuche). The Europeans expand west, eventually reaching land inhabited for more than a century by the Mapuche – put yourself in their position – of course they resisted the colonisation of their land.
In 1878 Argentina starts the desert war, the aim of which is to remove the indigenous threat and to control land that might otherwise become Chilean.
7 years later the indigenous tribes in newly Argentine Patagonia have effectively been annihilated (genocide) in a cowardly war that put an army agains
Dec 21st, 2012 - 01:22 pm
I thoroughly agree with most of your comments about Don J. A. Roca. With regard to the Mapuches, I must beg to differ, in that they traditionally lived on the Western side of the Cordillera, but also traditionally hunted on the Eastern side. It is ver hard to prove one way or another what territory “belonged” to the different indigenous peoples of South America, because none of them understood the owning of property, it did not form part of their culture. That said there were places of special importance to different peoples, such as the Pampa de Caleufu in what is now Neuquén, which was special for the Mapuches. This only proves that they did to some extent “occupy” territory in what is now Argentina. It is also true that the Mapuches fought against the Tehuelches, the Puelches and any other peoples that threatened their hunting grounds, they were well known as a fierce and unbending people, but were finally defeated by the “huincas”.
Most of the your arguments confirm mines. You mentioned additional details of the exactly the same fact. So, both of us agree that mapuches were from the West side of the Andes. But you forget to mentioned that most of the mapuches tribes fought on the Spanish Crown during the independence Chilean war so they had to leave the territory under Chilean control.
The fact that they were great warriors allowed them to fought and exterminate other tribes on the East side of the Andes. So, the attack and extermination of these “argentine” tribes was also a genocide.
The attacks of the “malones” destroying cities and farms, killing most of the inhabitants and settlers, reducing to slavery women and kids was also a genocide under mapuche tribes responsibility.
In addition, I invite you to read the Law, passed by the Argentine Congress, that authorised President Avellaneda to start the “Campaña del Desierto”. There appear “in black and white” the reasons and goal of the campaign.
Additionally, you seem to ignore that almost one third of the soldiers of the Argentine Army that took part of the campaign were native people from tribes that have signed agreements with the Governments and their chiefs were “high” ranked officials who had authority and get salaries from the Army. So the goal of the “Campaña del Desierto” couldn’t be against the native people at all.
Would you imagine a nazi army with Jews soldiers?
Unfortunately in the Rosario area two people have died in the violence.
This is the result of keeping the people on subsidies instead of supporting the creation of REAL jobs so that the poor can become self supporting.
Another great step forward by the kirchnerist non-government!!!!!
In 1878 Argentina starts the desert war, the aim of which is to remove the indigenous threat and to control land that might otherwise become Chilean.
7 years later the indigenous tribes in newly Argentine Patagonia have effectively been annihilated (genocide) in a cowardly war that put an army against a civil population.
You seem to justify this campaign by stating that the Mapuche weren’t native to the land, even if that were true, how can you justify the extermination of the Tehuelche and all the other non Mapuche peoples?
The other false assertion you make is that Roca is the victim of a Catholic/Peronist smear campaign. San Martin (and many leading Argies of the era) was a masons too and he seems to manage just fine as a national hero.
Simon
You are quite right. The earliest spanish and jesuit writings refer to the Mapuche on the eastern side. And as I say, even if it wasn't the case, they were there by 1750, more than 100 years before the European settlers.
A couple of weeks ago CFK in the same Government House (Casa Rosada) with some students of primary level and in fron of the press said that “Sarmiento was a HDP freemason”.
I would like to express my appologies to the British people but I won't explain to them the meaning of HDP but it refers to the mother of fremasons....
In addition you keep on ignoring the genocides of the mapuches against other tribes and european settlers. They were human beings too and had rights.
Additionally, have you ever check the meaning of “genocide” by the UN. Please, do it and you will notice that it fist more into the “malones” than in the “Campaña del Desierto”
While the historical data shared above is fascinating, it seems like that's not what this is about. This issue just has to do with really lazy people without morals that want things they don't want to earn.
They are emboldened my weak police and the fact that the government would rather look the other way. I really hope this bites The Koncubine in the arse.
Sorry I got out of synch there.
I agree largely with your version of the facts and I am not ignoring that the majority of the Mapuche fought with the Spanish during the war of independence – that was a logical choice. This is why, when Spain lost, the Mapuche national, through their council, theoretically joined Chile.
I am not questioning the facts, I am questioning your use of the facts.
You state that the Mapuche committed genocide against the “Argie” tribes, which, if true was more than 100 years prior to the arrival of Europeans in the area. So it had been their land for generations. This does not excuse the genocide against them.
You are basically saying they merited the genocide becasue they were war like.
Masons: so why does the church protect San Martin (by denying he was a mason) and despise Roca?
You will need to continue to take pgerman to task.
He has stated in previous posts that he is currently writing a book of the “correct history” of Argentina.
As he has displayed here, it will only serve to perpetuate the “history” that the Argentinians want the world to believe - a white-washing of the uncomfortable bits.
pgerman has demonstrated this previously. Whilst ridiculing the fanatical Malvi istas, he still cites “historical evidence” contrary to what historians and academics consider to be the 'real' true history of the Falklands.
Yes, we are way off topic, but I always find it curious to push Argies on this point, because you find this deep conflict in their conscience: how to reconcile the fact that they are Europeans living on land that was won from the natives through massacres; with their refusal to accept that other Europeans live on a small group of islands that were never inhabited. The answer is to twist history: the natives deserved to die because they were bad and the Kelpers must go becase they are descended from pirates.
Dec 21st, 2012 - 02:29 pm
I am forced to answer you against my will, because of your ridiculous claim that the “malones” fit the definition of genocide better than the efforts of the Argenine Army.
This is the definition:
”Article II
In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
1) Killing members of the group;
2) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
3) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
4) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
5) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.“
The only possible one that refers to the ”malones“ is #4 with reference to the taking of women prisoners!!!!!
The ”malones“ into what is now the Province of Buenos Aires were carried out by the Tehuelches on their own, the later ”malones” into the Province of La Pampa were carried out by Tehuelches AND Mapuches who were fighting for THEIR hunting lands against the WHITE invader!!!!!!
It is in the Rgs nature to take things that don't belong to them because they think they deserve them. I heard it many times when I lived there.
It was a tiny tourist town. It has now grown into a substantial tourist/urban sprawl. Angostura and other smaller towns are now preferable
Argentina continues to look at its history in very old fashioned romantic legendary terms and continues trying to increase its boundaries whereas Britain looks at its history increasingly in objective terms and whose territory may well be shrinking (should Scotland decide to go for independence). At the very least Argentina should accept reality and stop the accusations of colonialism. Its hypocritical at the least and symptomatic of the nationalism that the political system uses to manipulate its own people.
Dec 21st, 2012 - 03:17 pm
For goodness sake don't bring conspiracy theories into this, tarado, this was started by the mayor of Bariloche telling the Supermarkets of the town that they had better give away Christmans boxes to the poor or they might get looted!!!!!
He said this on FM radio so all the crims in the “villas” got organized. This is an example of sheer stupidity on the partr of mayor Goye (Frent para la Victoria)!!!!
bahahhhahhaa
You are so incredibly stupid I am surprised you can type!
CFK is destroying Argentina more quickly and more thoroughly than any foreign interloper could hope for!
How about the timing of the blackout In Neuquen? Seems coincidental to me.
Yesterday was a horrible, very bad day for Crissy
A few more days like this and she may be in Recoleta or Venezuela sooner than she was planning.
Brazil is depreciating the Rial not good for Argentina
Another expropriation yesterday more to come I think
Great headlines this AM
Great!
There has been reports of 2 dead so far and looting is spreading to all major cities.
Well said.
Countries need to reach a certain level of maturity and security before they can be self-critical. Argentina is not there by a long way (neither is Chile by the way).
25% inflation
Pariah state stautus
about to be thrown out of the IMF/G20
lol
If they don't like being looted then they should pay Front for Victory the correct protection money to keep Maximo's thugs at bay. It's that simple.
Issue resolved.
but,there are 50 comments here.?
- -All cazeroleros go to miami and have a housemaid--. Really?
- -Clarin miente-- (there is a clear difference between exaggerating and being anti government to 'lying')
-- The looters are not hungry and so the cause of the looting is not important-- (If they were hungry that would make it alright? Is Argentina being compared with the likes of Somalia?)
The Mapuche were mentioned in the article and I am fascinated by the skewed view of history some Argentines believe. I have heard it all before from the descendants of Roca but I suppose they have to justify it somehow.
Roca was not all bad but was responsible for genocide. Though, to be fair, he probably did not see it that way. Different times. He also had superb taste when choosing a home. La Paz is quite beautiful.
Theres probably a better way of saying that!
As a president he did some good things but that does not take away the fact that he was responsible for genocide. Trying to make out that the people he had killed had no right to be there is no defence.
It is funny how they can be on here gloating about supposed “wins” one day and when the country is rioting and they need gendarmeria to quell the insurrections they're all missing,
How odd
I hope they realize tourists from the north don't like to travel to places that are disintegrating. I wonder how many cancellations are happening today?
and If the Falklanders vote in Argentinas favour they too can bring this economic model to a store near them, looks fun ,chin,chin!
You reap what you sew, and by god argentina you are going to be busy for many christmas holidays to come.......que martial law......:DDDD
just out of curisousity how much is the basic daily food basket per person in B.A these days, does it reflect inflation? :)))
As for foreign intelligence involvement in , ithe attempt to destzbalize, t is quite probable. It has happened before from Argentina, to Chile, to Guatemala.
I suspect that CFK will stick to her guns even more now. We will likely experience additional acts of destabilization and sabotage as CFK scores additional victories that are sure to come.
“They steal because their land was stolen from them and stuff, and they're starving too. They can't work because they're hungry, and they need those TVs to distract themselves from the hunger. Also, you're all pirates feeding off Argentinian misery. This was also a top secret plot from your governments to humiliate and destabilize our government.”
Was that about right?
They were repelled by security forces!
Merry Christmas Max and Crissy
I hope the new year brings you all that you deserve!
Dec 21st, 2012 - 04:21 pm
Tarado, this was brought on by the stupidity of mayor Goye in Bariloche. It is not a conspiracy against the government.
The spread from Bariloche to Campana and Rosario is simply because it was broadcast on TV and radio to the whole country and the knock-on effect took place!!!!!!
No matter that you are trying to ridiculize me I would clarify that I have never said I was writing a book about Argentine History. This is part of your fantasy. I have said I was writing an article about JA Roca that has already been published in a specilized magazine.
@Simon68
Nice to see that you check this data. No mater that you are trying to diminish the crimes of the “malones” (like some Argentine militars still do about the years 1976/1983) if you check every point of the genocide definition it's quite clear that the “malones” war is a genocide. In addtion, Chief Calfucura leader of the by themselves called “Confederacion Ranquelina” officially declared the war against Argentina. The written and signed by Calfucura document is still in the “Archivo General de la Nacion”. So we can infer based on this document that he had control over the whole araucanian tribes that used to attack the small twons, farms and even cities under Argentine control.
@Condorito
The reasons why San Martin (and Belgrano too) are not being attacked by the Catholic church is because (it's my opinion) they were the top leaders of the independence so accepting that they were freemasons would mean the acceptance that Argentina started as a freemasonic founded country. Like the USA. Usually the Catholic Church states that Argentina was born with the Catolic CHurch and the Army“. That is a false statment.
Most of the President of the ”golden era” of Argentina, and those who promoted free and secular education are being criticized by the Peronists Historians (self called Revisionistas).
I would like to read your opinion about why a couple of weeks ago CFK in the same Government House (Casa Rosada) with some students of primary level and in fron of the press said that “Sarmiento was a HDP freemason. On account of what?
Interesting about General Roca, I think there will be a lot more like that in the coming years.
Words like usurpers, implanted, colonialists and squatters being banded about.
@21 pgerman
Whether the Mapuche are recently from what we now call Chile, or Argentina (modern names remember), they are still indigenous to that part of S America, which the descendants of Spanish/Italian settlers are not.
And they still got massacred in the end by the European settlers, did they not!
As for the goal of the campaign;
“Our self-respect as a virile people obliges us to put down as soon as possible, by reason or by force, this handful of savages who destroy our wealth and prevent us from definitely occupying, in the name of law, progress and our own security, the richest and most fertile lands of the Republic.”
—Julio Argentino Roca
Sounds just like CFK about the Falklands today.
You make a very good point. I've just called mate of mine in MI6 and apparently James Bond has been down there for the last two weeks agitating especially to make sure this happened. Apparently, supermarkets in Bariloche are at the top of MI6 global targets.
FI: No thanks ,we'll keep the almost non existent crime statistics, if you don't mind.
How uncouth for a president to speak like that to kids.
So Pgerman you are an uber nationalist but critical of the government. How does that work?
I invite you to proof that the extermination of the original people was done during the Campaña del Desierto. If there was an extermination plan where are their mass graves? I read some very stupid thnigs such as that 200,000 poeple were killed by the Army. Where are the mass graves of 200,000 people?
As I have alread told you, the definition of Argentina as a country, the consolidation of it's physical boundaries and sovereignty was not different from the early history of Canada, Australia and NZI. Would you considered these processes genocides?
JA Roca was a clever man, one of the best Argentine president ever, and he had extremenly good relationships with UK and with the surrounding conutries as well (he negotiated and arranged agreements with Chile and Brsil to avoind future inconviniences).
He understood what is quite evident: to make progress a country must trade and have excelent relationships with the World. Do you think CFK thinks this was?
So let me ask you where you think the Mapuche went, after they finished massacring the other tribes.
They were definitely not there after the Conquest of the Desert, and if they were not there before, why did the desert require conquering.
Or was it inhabited by such particularly vicious wildlife that an army was required to pacify the territory.
I agree what happened was no different to places like the USA, Canada or Australia.
In fact all over the world, since the dawn of human history this has been going on.
The difference here is you are trying to justify/misrepresent what happened.
I also agree Roca was clever, one of your best and had a good relationship with the UK, he signed the Convention of Settlement 1850 as I recall.
Roca certainly built Argentina up, whereas CFK is now rapidly pulling it apart and down.
But that is just my opinion.
I'm not a nacionalst at all.
I'm Argentine born but I live in Canada. As most of the mid-class of my country I have always loved British culture. I don't consider UK as my enemy at all.
Just to the contrary, it's a country and a culture to imitiate in many things.
It just happens that I think a little bit different from most of the UK people about FI.
Guess what haters?? Wine Spectator and Wine Enthusiast (two of the top ANGLO-SAXON wine publications), have come out with their top wines of the year.
They are VERY USA-centric naturally, so some major bias is expected (albeit all wine publications are biased to their local industry), so the USA wine “dominance” should be taken with a MAJOR cube of salt...
However that fact makes it more remarkable when as a foreign maker you actually score with out-of-country publications....
Wine Spectator top 10 wines:
10. Achaval-Ferrer Malbec Finca Bella (La consulta RVR -MENDOZA)
9. Italy
8. United States
7. United States
6. France
5. France
4. France
3. Australia
2. France
1. United States
www.winespectator.com/display/show?id=47551
Wine Spectator
10. Spain
9. United States
8. France
7. New Zealand
6. United States
5. United States
4. Italy
3. United States
2. France
1. Gran Corte Las Divas Vineyard (Tupungato RVR - MENDOZA)
buyingguide.winemag.com/toplists/2012/wines#wines/10-1
ONLY NON-USA COUNTRIES TO SHOW IN BOTH LISTS:
France, Italy, ARGENTINA.
Only one of those three countries to have a top 2012 wine: ARGENTINA
Which province: MENDOZA, MENDOZA, MENDOZA.
hahahahahahahaha... so much for talking smack about Argie wine, once again proven that I spoke the truth, and you losers lied!
May the diarrhea keep flowing anti-haters! Mendoza wine! jojojojo
When you stupid people kick this woman SS Hitler Kirchner out of power perhaps life will get better but lets be honest for the past 30 years you have elected a Corupt governmant and you wonder why The Falkland Islanders want nothing to do with you.
Roca may have been the greatest president and been a huge success for Argentina, but that doesn’t justify the means. I would agree that there was a similar genocide of native peoples in North America. North Americans who deny that are as blinkered as you are.
The genocide was the result of war followed by removal from their land. No society can survive without land.
You are using selective facts to support a view that you hold, i.e. that it is morally defendable that Europeans took land from indigenous.
The facts are, the Mapuche, Tehuenche and others were there before the Europeans. The facts are that Roca wanted the land and was prepared to take it by force. The natives lost their land and there livelyhood.
It is no better or worse than any other act of violet colonialism perpetrated by countless nations over the centuries.
You are an Argentine and you love your nation and you need to believe the Argentine colonisation of Patagonia was morally defensible.
That is simply not objective.
You may be right about the masons. It is an interesting theory.
www.buenosairesherald.com/article/119977/looting-attempt-on-san-fernando-supermarket-spurs-tension-
Two havae been killed. Maybe this is asslips plan to start martial law.
www.buenosairesherald.com/article/119968/supermarket-looting-spreads-2-killed-in-rosario-100-arrested-in-campana
I am on bended kness begging for this looting and vilolance to spread PLEASE LORD send it to the gates of that most vile of women KIRCHNER
just came about -5- with me.
these are Mercopress comments,no one reads this website.
that is stand up name No:65 talking itself,i had asked something about Argentina few months ago,knows nothing on .
I have some fresh images from Buenos Aires, right now:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ed0QJJL9sYQ
Titti boi....you must be very busy in your corner of your cell scanning for USA article.........
masterbate, scan....masterbate, scan...masterbate, masterbate, masterbate....scan..........get a girl friend, mom will not be around as long as you might be.
What happened to that article about the guy killing his boss and co workers in BA then torching the building....censured? The mobs on Julio ave burning tires and obstructing traffic?
www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVHjKLIDAUY
www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuKMZzcKyGU
Someone is invidious.
@89
I'll soon post video of the 3 British surrenders to Buenos Aires militia and to the United Provinces.
GOD BLESS THE GREAT BRITISH FALKLAND ISLANDS
www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGTQSTtPSa0
Looks like most of South America.
I think you are caught in a lie again Toby.
I know Mendoza.
Where are you from Mendoza ?
At best you are talking about 100-200 houses, 1000 people in a province of 1.7 million.
And guess what??
edimpresa.diariouno.com.ar/2009/01/26/imagenes_noticias/d10f1.jpg
The area is being officially urbanized with properly built homes, and streets connected to the outside, and lighting.
www.diariouno.com.ar/edimpresa/2009/01/26/nota203847.html
So once again, yankeeboy makes a fool of himself.
VIOLA!!
So I hear in today's mass shooting several police officers were struck. Maybe they should buy some of those BULLET PROOF SCHOOL BACKPAKS...
As for Mendoza wines.....they are ok. Malbec's are rather light bodied nd you have to spend a fortune for a flavorful wine like a a Trapiche. STill no comparison to Zinfandel or Merlot.
Back to argentina riots and looting. Can they control it, or part of asslips plans?
www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0fywBbhvxo&NR=1&feature=endscreen
I won't give my current address, as a young boy I lived in Barrio Alimentacion between the Macabi Israeli Club and the Club Aleman de Mendoza (only in Argentina!!), and then moved not too far to Dorrego to a home not far from the Costanera elevated expressway.
@96
Wait, I thought we were a dictatorship with no freedom of expression... how can then a BURLESQUE parody of the president using a man be permitted? And making allusions to the “suitcase” on top of that?? How??? Aren't we like Syria, Iran, and North Korea??
Are you kidding with me .!
But you probably live in a Slum so you don't know the difference
BTW there is Barrio Paraguay too isn't there and it is loaded with pollution with kids playing in the toxic water.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gh70EdSPKJ0
Is that your mother?
Of course to know that you would actually have to set foot in a different country, meet people and do things. Also, get over your “I hate Anglo-Saxons” bit. You might be a little less hateful if you actually went places and did stuff.
You really need to travel or at the very least get a girlfriend or something.
I see you are very addictive on YouTubes
I recommend these below videos to see rather than YouTubes
could be useful for your growing up.
www.personalgrowthcourses.net/video/mind_control_history_channel.
Dont't you wish that miserable country you call Argentina was as nice a place as prosperous and as peacuful as the land in this video???
www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzGHVkXLU0g&NR=1&feature=endscreen
Did you see the horse and cart full of “valuable” garbage. I guess Toby can eat today.
learn something
learn US do not pretend an American
grow up
let the talking yourself addiction as copying someonelse
grow up
It's all going the way we non-argies just knew it would.
Riots, murders, NO POLICIA!
Have to send in the border guards: plenty of extortion chances here!
I wonder how many calories are in a 50” TV?
LOLs
you watch @ 102 videos ..don't you ...
what an interesting...isn't it.
You are about as Argentine as Miso Soup with a zest of Vodka.
You are in high dudgeon over my “hateful” ways yet you seem to ignore the replies since 101. Like 103, 104, 108... which are a combination of lies and the use of trully horrific events in world history (Kristalnacht), and devaluing them by comparing them with some stupid minor disturbance by teenage punks looking for an LCD.
PATHETIC.
Paranoia strikes deep, into your life it will creep. Cuckoo! Cuckoo!
www.youtube.com/watch?v=UC9TQ7ev5_c
Maybe you should watch the news before you try to put out some more lies.
We all knew this would happen, maybe it's the unions, maybe its the gov't but either way it is sad that either of these entities would subject citizens to terror just to get more power.
The corruption is endemic, created by generations of “entitlements” and it is only going to get worse.
You should pray for a Pinochet or a Thatcher to rescue you!
More pot and pan parades please for the appreciative Brits.......:-)
Isn't this just state sponsored Christmas shopping?
The wives getting in the food, the Dads for the booze and the kids for the latest in electrical gear???
Seriously, things must be getting harder if there are riots starting. One hopes things do not get worse for those suffering the hardships of the inflationary problem and increasing poverty. Not that the mad bitch will notice when she is stuffing her turkey neck with turkey.
As for Argentine wine, there is some nice stuff produced there, I have been drinking some Pinot Grigio from there and it's really nice stuff.
For all those that frequent the boards, Nostroll, Simon68, Joe Bloggs and well EVERYONE. I hope you all have a happy festive season.
See you all in January.
Either, the Front for Fail party are very stupid for getting maximo to loot shops or the argentines are very stupid for believing the Front for Fail. One or the other.
GOD BLESS THE GREAT BRITISH FALKLAND ISLANDS PROSPEROUS, HEALTHY AND SECURE
Poverty in the UK means you sit at home watching 'football' on your 50inch plasma.
This was inevitable under CFK. Giving 16 year olds the right to vote is not the way to go. How many of the rioters felt that they were entitled to these things - LCDs, Whisky etc.?
I do not think that this is the end but rather the beginning of the end for the populist rule of CFK. She may also have to depart from the roof of the CasaRosada in a helicopter just like de la Rua did in 2001.
Dec 21st, 2012 - 06:39 pm
“I'm in Mendoza, we don't have shanties, thus w never have any looting, ever in our history.”
I hate to burst your bubble, Tobias, but you've just won the “Pinoccio de Oro”. The looting in 2001 started in Mendoza in Godoy Cruz and Guaymallen!!!!!!
Please see: www.losandes.com.ar/notas/2006/12/20/politica-216877.asp
its not the goverments fault, but the thieves looters and criminals,
as you lot so often through at us,
what goes arround
comes arround,
but hey,
we can asure you, the UN will be told and complianed to.
Do not overlook the fact that TTT was not born then!
LOLs
Best wishes to you and your family.
LOL, BK !!
A cheap throwaway comment.
Do you have nothing to say?
Really? Are you agreeing with ProFARCE?
Foreign intelligence services are behind the riots ?
CIA, MI6, Moussad??
They don't even know you exist. LOL !!
You are so full of yourselves, and so full of cr@p.
Congratulations, you've just put yourself in the same league as ProFARCE and PH ALEX VARGAS - and you know how much respect those two loonies get around here.
Oh, it's too funny :-D
Chile was also subjected to the rule of a brutal dictatorshi but is now peacefull and progressive.
Cristina Kirchner seems to be tarred with the same brush as Mugabe in Zimbabwe, dos Santos in Angola, Ghadaffi in Libya, Assad in Syria and so on. I think that she is a mere puppet for some sinister cabal that is running the country. They are pulling the strings.
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