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Buenos Aires sends Border guard to contain rioting and looting in Bariloche
The Argentine government is deploying four hundred border guards to the Patagonian resort of Bariloche following violent looting in several local supermarkets and other businesses on Wednesday. Cabinet Chief Juan Manuel Abal Medina made the announcement on national television. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesWhat is a -little- gross to me is that this was broken down around gender lines, with the men feeling themselves worthy of higher value items.
Dec 21st, 2012 - 12:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0. In U.S. University studies, there's no onservable differences mentally or motivationally between genders anymore.
Now it begins.
Dec 21st, 2012 - 12:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0@1
Dec 21st, 2012 - 01:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0What are you talking about?
@2
Yes, if it comes to Buenos Aires, it will be serious.
South Americans brothers....We are ONE!
Dec 21st, 2012 - 01:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1K_ox7GBk0E&list=FLmXPTu1f8AdGlizWNiASx2A&NR=1&feature=endscreen
Yesterday a guy killed his boss and a few in the office and set it on fire......article around one day then disappeared. Today a crowd was blocked traffic and had tires on fire. Don't people get arrested for this in argentina? Asslips sorted taking property too already in BA
Dec 21st, 2012 - 01:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0So, stopping criminals from looting is repression? Surely only in a lawless society.
Dec 21st, 2012 - 02:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0Gosh If you listened to the loony Rgs on this site you'd think Argentina was a peace loving commune everyone is getting along famously and sharing everything they own.
Dec 21st, 2012 - 02:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0Gag
I don't know how a whole county can have NPT and be delusional at the same time.
It must be in the water
Bariloche. a prime tourist destination?And looters breaking into the supermarkets?Think Ill have my next hols in Toxteth Liverpool
Dec 21st, 2012 - 04:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0This made the BBC news. “we haven’t been able to identify the groups or the organizers of all this vandalism” They should ask the BBC, they were showing footage that would clearly identify the culprits. They went on to say that it was not only happening in Bariloche.
Dec 21st, 2012 - 06:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0I'm not sure that this is quite what famous essayist Henry Thoreau was talking about. He certainly didn't mention stealing TVs.
Dec 21st, 2012 - 08:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0When you cannot afford the basic basket of goods because hyperinflation is disguised, then what do they really expect? (does the basket contain a 50inch TV?)
All the supermercados here put up 12% of their profits to fill canastas de navidad. Apparently the community organizers thought they were entitled to more, like 50 inch tv's, and all the whiskey you can haul away. Funny that the hungry seem to go for high value items.. Where is the BoTox queen in all of this? Reaping what she has sown with other peoples money..
Dec 21st, 2012 - 08:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0@11
Dec 21st, 2012 - 09:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0This is a great thing to do and shows a sense of corporate responsibility. Such a shame that those poorest in society feel that they are not looked after to the extent that they need to do this. As we know in London, loooting isn't always rational. People will generally take what they can get once things get going...
Looters generally carry away the highest value items, either because they are so poor they cannot afford them, or so they can sell them at a later date and use the money to buy food. Very few of the looters in the 2011 UK riots stole food. Just because they steal TVs, it does not mean that they are not hungry. It just means that they know the value of goods.
Dec 21st, 2012 - 09:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0What we are witnessing is a basic destabilisation of civil order brought about by the inequality caused by Kretina's corruption & self-destructive economics. More and more will be made unemployed by TMBOA until a point of criticality will be reached. Either civil order will break down and the Police wont be able to contain it (or wont want to!) and mob rule will be the norm, or the people will gather together (with elements of the Armed Forces) to remove the Bitch that inflicted this on the Argentine public.
From small beginnings, big things do grow.
I'm sure the cruise line company's are watching developments closely, another nail in the coffin for their dwindling tourist industry.
Dec 21st, 2012 - 10:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0I know which destination's I would prefer to avoid on a SA cruise, the one's where you risk being caught up in civil unrest, the one's you risk being kept captive in port while the captain is forced to alter his travel itinerary by state sponsored thugs.
Viva the Falklands.
@1 It all seems quite reasonable to me. The women are grabbing food because their thoughts centre around providing food for the family. The men are going for alcohol because the bottles are heavier to carry, the “adolescents” are grabbing what their peer groups think is important. Secure in the knowledge that mother is getting the food and father is getting the “good cheer”. And they can always sell the electronics.
Dec 21st, 2012 - 10:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0Could you blame the Mapuches attempting to pull down the statue of the past murderer-in-chief? How would Parisians feel about a statue of Hitler?
messy country !
Dec 21st, 2012 - 10:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0Looking at various argentine papers on line , it looks as though the looting is spreading to Buemos Aires suburbs and even the province of Santa Fe .
Dec 21st, 2012 - 10:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0It is NOT going to be a happy Christmas in Argentina .
@15 I met some of President Roca's descendants living near Bariloche. They must be feeling a tad uncomfortable.
Dec 21st, 2012 - 11:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0The footage I saw seemed very orderly -in a looting kinda way - families pushing trolleys loaded with a mix of food, alcohol and large electrical items. A bit like a family day out, with the police and authorities doing bugger all about it.
The mood will change when their mighty ship arrives back from another glories victory!!
Dec 21st, 2012 - 11:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0She will milk it for every last drop, just hope it back fires as I am sure the people of Argentina would rather have stability and food on their tables than a stupid bloody ship returning rammed down their throats.
These government handouts give people an entitlement mentality. They want more than they are willing to work for. My family wasn't rich either, but you never steal and you never ask for a welfare check even if you are dying of hunger.
Dec 21st, 2012 - 11:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0Haven't you noticed that Cristina keeps her mouth shut when these things happen? Perhaps, she doesn't care, or worse secretly approves of this type of behavior, thinking that's it's some sort of “social justice”. Who knows what kind of twisted mind is behind that botox inflated mask.
The mapuches are not original people of the argentine territory. They crossed the Andes escaping from the Chilean Army because during the independence wars they fought on the side of the Spanish Crown.
Dec 21st, 2012 - 11:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0On the Argentine territory Mapuches tribes fought against the true original people and exterminated them.
With the time they became so powerful that they attacked, in groups of tribes, cities and farms killing the pioneers, reducing their families to slavery, setting fire the constructions and stealing the live stock.
Mapuches are as originating people of the Argentine territory as Spanish, Italian or Welsh people.
The reaction against Julio Argentina Roca is being “fueled” by the Catholic Church since he, as (free-mason) president, forced the Catholic Curch to accept the free and secular public education. He even expelled the Vatican ambassador from the country during 17 years.
Peronism, as any fascist parties around the World, has always have deep bonds with the Catholic Church. So, JA Roca is hated by the peronists who also have always hated free-masons.
Please, I invite all of you to read a little of argentine history before writting wrong information about JA Roca. .
@3, They changed the reporting :) (in this article). I'm glad.
Dec 21st, 2012 - 12:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ah, the rejection of private ownership in action. Karl Marx would have been proud.
Dec 21st, 2012 - 12:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Now we just need a dictatorship of the proletariat.
@21 : Do not forget it was the Europeans who decided where the borders were put . The Mapuches had probably gone back and forth across the Andes for centuries before the europeans arrived . They did not carry Argentine or Chilean passports .
Dec 21st, 2012 - 12:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Typical Argentine distortion of history : ”On the Argentine territory Mapuches tribes fought against the true original people and exterminated them.
With the time they became so powerful ( how ???? ) that they attacked, in groups of tribes, cities and farms killing the pioneers, reducing their families to slavery, setting fire the constructions and stealing the live stock “
The real version ” European settlers arrived with 19th Century technology ,alcohol and european diseases and began to displace the aboriginal tribes . The tribes naturally resisted and were eventually wiped out ”.
The freemasonry stuff is the usual paranoid fantasy .You'll be telling us
about lizards in human form next .
“I don’t understand why they need to take LCD TVs” Could it be the Argentine government provides poor people with free satellite dishes and decoders and “Football for Everyone” instead of jobs?
Dec 21st, 2012 - 01:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@24
Dec 21st, 2012 - 01:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So what do you suggest ?
a) blame everything on the past
b) Ethnic cleansing
c) find another scapegoat
The bitch should resign...period.
Dec 21st, 2012 - 01:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@24 You are right, the mapuches didn't carry Argentine or Chilean passports, but the place, site or area were they belonged originally was the West side of the Andes. I do imagine they had contacts with the people from the East side of the Andes.
Dec 21st, 2012 - 01:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But the fact that they stared crossing the mountains in large gruops in both, the Independence War and the Chilean Civil war (called Guerra a Muerte), is an historical fact. The attack to the Boroganos in “Salinas Grandes” by the mapuches led by their Chief Calfucura is also an historical fact. The so called “proceso de araucanizacion” of the Argentine Pampas is also an historical fact. Please, I invite you to read “Una excursion a los Indios Ranqueles” were Calfucura mentioned the writer “I was born in Chile”.
So there is not distorsion, there are tribes that can be considered “original” of the current territory and other that cannot. Mapuches belonged to the West side of the Andes. I'm sorry but I'm not distortin anything it's just historical facts.
The fact that Europeans displace the aborigila people with our vices and illnesses is true but is part of what happened all around the globe, including Canada, USA, Australia, NZI and SA.
But your qualification that the “free-masonry stuff is paranoid” simply shows that you ignore argentine history. There is not paranoid. Just check on the web. Law 1420. check the details and the clash between the President J.A Roca and the Churt. (The Vatican representative expelled was a priest by the name of Mattera). That's history and not fantasy !!!
J.A. Roca, also officially created both, Buenos Aires and Cordoba universities, and take the cementeries, bauthisms, and marriages out of the Catholic Church Authority.
Only those who ignore some basic tips of Argentine history or are on the Catholic Church side, denny this.
Pgerman
Dec 21st, 2012 - 01:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Mapuches are as originating people of the Argentine territory as Spanish, Italian or Welsh people.”
That is a twisted and apologist view.
If we take the area in question, Nahuel Huapi, it was inhabited (at the time of Spanish arrival in Peru) by Puelches, Pehuenches, Poyas and Mapuches (although the largest part of the Mapuche nation was in Chilean Araucania).
The Spanish moved south through Chile long before European started settling Neuquen or Chubut. The Spanish war “Guerra de Arauco” started in 1536 and lasted nearly 300 years at varying levels of intensity. The Mapuche were the only indigenous group in the Americas to take the fight to the Spanish. They humiliated the Spanish on the battle field (without gun powder or steel) routinely and it wasn’t until small pox decimated the Mapuche that the Spanish were able to score a victory.
By 1740s the pressure on the Mapuche population from war, pestilence and hunger cause large movements eastwards. They assimilated peacefully with the Poya and Puelche, but the Pehuenche resisted and were defeated in battle by the Mapuche. So more than 100 years before the first Welsh settlers arrived on the Atlantic coast, Nahuel Huapi was Mapuche territory.
In 1810 after Chilean independence, the Mapuche council accept a peace agreement and are theoretically integrated into the new Chile (revolts continued and continue today).
In 1860 the welsh arrive on the Atlantic in a territory inhabited by the Tehuelche group (not Mapuche). The Europeans expand west, eventually reaching land inhabited for more than a century by the Mapuche – put yourself in their position – of course they resisted the colonisation of their land.
In 1878 Argentina starts the desert war, the aim of which is to remove the indigenous threat and to control land that might otherwise become Chilean.
7 years later the indigenous tribes in newly Argentine Patagonia have effectively been annihilated (genocide) in a cowardly war that put an army agains
28 pgerman (#)
Dec 21st, 2012 - 01:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Dec 21st, 2012 - 01:22 pm
I thoroughly agree with most of your comments about Don J. A. Roca. With regard to the Mapuches, I must beg to differ, in that they traditionally lived on the Western side of the Cordillera, but also traditionally hunted on the Eastern side. It is ver hard to prove one way or another what territory “belonged” to the different indigenous peoples of South America, because none of them understood the owning of property, it did not form part of their culture. That said there were places of special importance to different peoples, such as the Pampa de Caleufu in what is now Neuquén, which was special for the Mapuches. This only proves that they did to some extent “occupy” territory in what is now Argentina. It is also true that the Mapuches fought against the Tehuelches, the Puelches and any other peoples that threatened their hunting grounds, they were well known as a fierce and unbending people, but were finally defeated by the “huincas”.
Judging from the photo, this is a normal day in Argentina.
Dec 21st, 2012 - 01:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Dear Condorito,
Dec 21st, 2012 - 02:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Most of the your arguments confirm mines. You mentioned additional details of the exactly the same fact. So, both of us agree that mapuches were from the West side of the Andes. But you forget to mentioned that most of the mapuches tribes fought on the Spanish Crown during the independence Chilean war so they had to leave the territory under Chilean control.
The fact that they were great warriors allowed them to fought and exterminate other tribes on the East side of the Andes. So, the attack and extermination of these “argentine” tribes was also a genocide.
The attacks of the “malones” destroying cities and farms, killing most of the inhabitants and settlers, reducing to slavery women and kids was also a genocide under mapuche tribes responsibility.
In addition, I invite you to read the Law, passed by the Argentine Congress, that authorised President Avellaneda to start the “Campaña del Desierto”. There appear “in black and white” the reasons and goal of the campaign.
Additionally, you seem to ignore that almost one third of the soldiers of the Argentine Army that took part of the campaign were native people from tribes that have signed agreements with the Governments and their chiefs were “high” ranked officials who had authority and get salaries from the Army. So the goal of the “Campaña del Desierto” couldn’t be against the native people at all.
Would you imagine a nazi army with Jews soldiers?
Back on thread, with profound apologies to all present, this is exactly the strategy used by the peronists to destroy both Alfonsin and De la Rua's governments. It is rather refreshing that they are using it against the kirchnerist plague!!!!!
Dec 21st, 2012 - 02:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Unfortunately in the Rosario area two people have died in the violence.
This is the result of keeping the people on subsidies instead of supporting the creation of REAL jobs so that the poor can become self supporting.
Another great step forward by the kirchnerist non-government!!!!!
...continued from 29
Dec 21st, 2012 - 02:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In 1878 Argentina starts the desert war, the aim of which is to remove the indigenous threat and to control land that might otherwise become Chilean.
7 years later the indigenous tribes in newly Argentine Patagonia have effectively been annihilated (genocide) in a cowardly war that put an army against a civil population.
You seem to justify this campaign by stating that the Mapuche weren’t native to the land, even if that were true, how can you justify the extermination of the Tehuelche and all the other non Mapuche peoples?
The other false assertion you make is that Roca is the victim of a Catholic/Peronist smear campaign. San Martin (and many leading Argies of the era) was a masons too and he seems to manage just fine as a national hero.
Simon
You are quite right. The earliest spanish and jesuit writings refer to the Mapuche on the eastern side. And as I say, even if it wasn't the case, they were there by 1750, more than 100 years before the European settlers.
Shouldn't someone call in the SS or la campora terroristas to protect the supermarkets from gangs of marauding poor people?
Dec 21st, 2012 - 02:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0San Martin was also a freemason (like most of the people who led the independence) but this fact is fiercelly denied by the Catholic Church, official historians. the “Revisionistas” and the Peronist Party.
Dec 21st, 2012 - 02:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A couple of weeks ago CFK in the same Government House (Casa Rosada) with some students of primary level and in fron of the press said that “Sarmiento was a HDP freemason”.
I would like to express my appologies to the British people but I won't explain to them the meaning of HDP but it refers to the mother of fremasons....
In addition you keep on ignoring the genocides of the mapuches against other tribes and european settlers. They were human beings too and had rights.
Additionally, have you ever check the meaning of “genocide” by the UN. Please, do it and you will notice that it fist more into the “malones” than in the “Campaña del Desierto”
@35 Why would La Campora prevent these attacks when these groups consist of the same types of people?
Dec 21st, 2012 - 02:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0While the historical data shared above is fascinating, it seems like that's not what this is about. This issue just has to do with really lazy people without morals that want things they don't want to earn.
They are emboldened my weak police and the fact that the government would rather look the other way. I really hope this bites The Koncubine in the arse.
Pgerman,
Dec 21st, 2012 - 02:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sorry I got out of synch there.
I agree largely with your version of the facts and I am not ignoring that the majority of the Mapuche fought with the Spanish during the war of independence – that was a logical choice. This is why, when Spain lost, the Mapuche national, through their council, theoretically joined Chile.
I am not questioning the facts, I am questioning your use of the facts.
You state that the Mapuche committed genocide against the “Argie” tribes, which, if true was more than 100 years prior to the arrival of Europeans in the area. So it had been their land for generations. This does not excuse the genocide against them.
You are basically saying they merited the genocide becasue they were war like.
Masons: so why does the church protect San Martin (by denying he was a mason) and despise Roca?
@Simon and Condorito
Dec 21st, 2012 - 02:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You will need to continue to take pgerman to task.
He has stated in previous posts that he is currently writing a book of the “correct history” of Argentina.
As he has displayed here, it will only serve to perpetuate the “history” that the Argentinians want the world to believe - a white-washing of the uncomfortable bits.
pgerman has demonstrated this previously. Whilst ridiculing the fanatical Malvi istas, he still cites “historical evidence” contrary to what historians and academics consider to be the 'real' true history of the Falklands.
OP & TT,
Dec 21st, 2012 - 02:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, we are way off topic, but I always find it curious to push Argies on this point, because you find this deep conflict in their conscience: how to reconcile the fact that they are Europeans living on land that was won from the natives through massacres; with their refusal to accept that other Europeans live on a small group of islands that were never inhabited. The answer is to twist history: the natives deserved to die because they were bad and the Kelpers must go becase they are descended from pirates.
36 pgerman (#)
Dec 21st, 2012 - 03:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Dec 21st, 2012 - 02:29 pm
I am forced to answer you against my will, because of your ridiculous claim that the “malones” fit the definition of genocide better than the efforts of the Argenine Army.
This is the definition:
”Article II
In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
1) Killing members of the group;
2) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
3) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
4) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
5) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.“
The only possible one that refers to the ”malones“ is #4 with reference to the taking of women prisoners!!!!!
The ”malones“ into what is now the Province of Buenos Aires were carried out by the Tehuelches on their own, the later ”malones” into the Province of La Pampa were carried out by Tehuelches AND Mapuches who were fighting for THEIR hunting lands against the WHITE invader!!!!!!
Bariloche is a tiny tourist town. EVERYONE knows exactly who these thugs are, I mean come on! Either they are protected/sponsored by the gov't or they will arrest them.
Dec 21st, 2012 - 03:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is in the Rgs nature to take things that don't belong to them because they think they deserve them. I heard it many times when I lived there.
yanqui
Dec 21st, 2012 - 03:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It was a tiny tourist town. It has now grown into a substantial tourist/urban sprawl. Angostura and other smaller towns are now preferable
These people aren't hungry. If you are hungry you don't steal TV',bycicles, ovens. These are just a bunch of hoodlums with direction a-la-Moyano. Don't discount foreign intelligence agencies being behind this, upset over CFK successes in the past week.
Dec 21st, 2012 - 03:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Doesnt matter how it is dressed up. The Argentine state regardless of who was helping them went south to Patagonia to establish their dominance in all senses over the indigenous people. Simply, its colonisation.
Dec 21st, 2012 - 03:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina continues to look at its history in very old fashioned romantic legendary terms and continues trying to increase its boundaries whereas Britain looks at its history increasingly in objective terms and whose territory may well be shrinking (should Scotland decide to go for independence). At the very least Argentina should accept reality and stop the accusations of colonialism. Its hypocritical at the least and symptomatic of the nationalism that the political system uses to manipulate its own people.
44 ProRG_American (#)
Dec 21st, 2012 - 03:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Dec 21st, 2012 - 03:17 pm
For goodness sake don't bring conspiracy theories into this, tarado, this was started by the mayor of Bariloche telling the Supermarkets of the town that they had better give away Christmans boxes to the poor or they might get looted!!!!!
He said this on FM radio so all the crims in the “villas” got organized. This is an example of sheer stupidity on the partr of mayor Goye (Frent para la Victoria)!!!!
@44 That is ridiculous even by your standards. No outside agencies need to stir up the thugs, CFKC has done the damage with her insane economic policies. Why can't they afford food? Inflation!
Dec 21st, 2012 - 03:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 044. foreign intelligence agencies being behind this
Dec 21st, 2012 - 03:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0bahahhhahhaa
You are so incredibly stupid I am surprised you can type!
CFK is destroying Argentina more quickly and more thoroughly than any foreign interloper could hope for!
How about the timing of the blackout In Neuquen? Seems coincidental to me.
Yesterday was a horrible, very bad day for Crissy
A few more days like this and she may be in Recoleta or Venezuela sooner than she was planning.
Brazil is depreciating the Rial not good for Argentina
Another expropriation yesterday more to come I think
Great headlines this AM
Great!
Guys guys guys and ladies of course. Can you not see that you are simply being drawn into an argument about history by an RG purely to deflect you and the rest of us from whats really happening in Argentina right now as we speak.
Dec 21st, 2012 - 03:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There has been reports of 2 dead so far and looting is spreading to all major cities.
45 Tobers
Dec 21st, 2012 - 03:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well said.
Countries need to reach a certain level of maturity and security before they can be self-critical. Argentina is not there by a long way (neither is Chile by the way).
@ CFK successes
Dec 21st, 2012 - 03:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 025% inflation
Pariah state stautus
about to be thrown out of the IMF/G20
lol
Given that a overwhelming number of Argentinians are italian, then it's quite likely that these supermarkets didn't pay enough christmas protection money to the la campora terroristas. Since they didn't pay up, the front for victory had no choice but to organise having their stores looted by their militant wing.
Dec 21st, 2012 - 03:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If they don't like being looted then they should pay Front for Victory the correct protection money to keep Maximo's thugs at bay. It's that simple.
Issue resolved.
Monitor says that only 4(four persons) have visited this web site by now
Dec 21st, 2012 - 03:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0but,there are 50 comments here.?
La Campora have to try harder than repeating its tired unimaginative accussations
Dec 21st, 2012 - 03:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0- -All cazeroleros go to miami and have a housemaid--. Really?
- -Clarin miente-- (there is a clear difference between exaggerating and being anti government to 'lying')
-- The looters are not hungry and so the cause of the looting is not important-- (If they were hungry that would make it alright? Is Argentina being compared with the likes of Somalia?)
pardon 54 !
Dec 21st, 2012 - 03:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@49 Not really. There is no new news updates, but I suspect there will be more looting tonight.
Dec 21st, 2012 - 03:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Mapuche were mentioned in the article and I am fascinated by the skewed view of history some Argentines believe. I have heard it all before from the descendants of Roca but I suppose they have to justify it somehow.
Roca was not all bad but was responsible for genocide. Though, to be fair, he probably did not see it that way. Different times. He also had superb taste when choosing a home. La Paz is quite beautiful.
--Roca was not all bad but was responsible for genocide--
Dec 21st, 2012 - 03:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Theres probably a better way of saying that!
@57 LOL! Yes, I must stop having three conversations and posting at the same time. LOL
Dec 21st, 2012 - 03:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As a president he did some good things but that does not take away the fact that he was responsible for genocide. Trying to make out that the people he had killed had no right to be there is no defence.
I'm pretty sure the looting will continue until the required companies have paid front for victory the amount their thugs demanded. I wish they'd just pay them the money and then argentinians can get back to singing songs about their great leader and putting bells on the maximotree, as it's nearly Nestortime for them.
Dec 21st, 2012 - 03:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Where are our RG posters trying to defend and deflect this? They've been missing for a couple days now.
Dec 21st, 2012 - 04:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is funny how they can be on here gloating about supposed “wins” one day and when the country is rioting and they need gendarmeria to quell the insurrections they're all missing,
How odd
I hope they realize tourists from the north don't like to travel to places that are disintegrating. I wonder how many cancellations are happening today?
Wayhey! The results of the oh so successful Kirchner model,
Dec 21st, 2012 - 04:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0and If the Falklanders vote in Argentinas favour they too can bring this economic model to a store near them, looks fun ,chin,chin!
You reap what you sew, and by god argentina you are going to be busy for many christmas holidays to come.......que martial law......:DDDD
just out of curisousity how much is the basic daily food basket per person in B.A these days, does it reflect inflation? :)))
This activity is orchestrated from the shadows. The opposition, both domestic and foreign, has been dealt several severe blows by CFK in the past week. Additional stabilization attempts are sure to come as they react to these defeats but they will be more obvious and self evident.
Dec 21st, 2012 - 04:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As for foreign intelligence involvement in , ithe attempt to destzbalize, t is quite probable. It has happened before from Argentina, to Chile, to Guatemala.
I suspect that CFK will stick to her guns even more now. We will likely experience additional acts of destabilization and sabotage as CFK scores additional victories that are sure to come.
@61 I can do a troll imitation...
Dec 21st, 2012 - 04:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“They steal because their land was stolen from them and stuff, and they're starving too. They can't work because they're hungry, and they need those TVs to distract themselves from the hunger. Also, you're all pirates feeding off Argentinian misery. This was also a top secret plot from your governments to humiliate and destabilize our government.”
Was that about right?
300 yes 300 thugs just tried to sack a Carrefour in Znorte ( Northern BA Suburbs)!!
Dec 21st, 2012 - 04:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They were repelled by security forces!
Merry Christmas Max and Crissy
I hope the new year brings you all that you deserve!
62 ProRG_American (#)
Dec 21st, 2012 - 04:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Dec 21st, 2012 - 04:21 pm
Tarado, this was brought on by the stupidity of mayor Goye in Bariloche. It is not a conspiracy against the government.
The spread from Bariloche to Campana and Rosario is simply because it was broadcast on TV and radio to the whole country and the knock-on effect took place!!!!!!
Welsh colonists? I thought they got on pretty well with the indigenous people “Down Where the Moon is Small” Quite a good read
Dec 21st, 2012 - 04:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well I guess the thugs aren't quite done in San Fernando...TN.com.ar is
Dec 21st, 2012 - 04:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@Tory Tempest
Dec 21st, 2012 - 05:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No matter that you are trying to ridiculize me I would clarify that I have never said I was writing a book about Argentine History. This is part of your fantasy. I have said I was writing an article about JA Roca that has already been published in a specilized magazine.
@Simon68
Nice to see that you check this data. No mater that you are trying to diminish the crimes of the “malones” (like some Argentine militars still do about the years 1976/1983) if you check every point of the genocide definition it's quite clear that the “malones” war is a genocide. In addtion, Chief Calfucura leader of the by themselves called “Confederacion Ranquelina” officially declared the war against Argentina. The written and signed by Calfucura document is still in the “Archivo General de la Nacion”. So we can infer based on this document that he had control over the whole araucanian tribes that used to attack the small twons, farms and even cities under Argentine control.
@Condorito
The reasons why San Martin (and Belgrano too) are not being attacked by the Catholic church is because (it's my opinion) they were the top leaders of the independence so accepting that they were freemasons would mean the acceptance that Argentina started as a freemasonic founded country. Like the USA. Usually the Catholic Church states that Argentina was born with the Catolic CHurch and the Army“. That is a false statment.
Most of the President of the ”golden era” of Argentina, and those who promoted free and secular education are being criticized by the Peronists Historians (self called Revisionistas).
I would like to read your opinion about why a couple of weeks ago CFK in the same Government House (Casa Rosada) with some students of primary level and in fron of the press said that “Sarmiento was a HDP freemason. On account of what?
Discount Xmas shopping Argy style. Honestly the lengths Think will go to, to get more whiskey.
Dec 21st, 2012 - 05:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Interesting about General Roca, I think there will be a lot more like that in the coming years.
Words like usurpers, implanted, colonialists and squatters being banded about.
@21 pgerman
Whether the Mapuche are recently from what we now call Chile, or Argentina (modern names remember), they are still indigenous to that part of S America, which the descendants of Spanish/Italian settlers are not.
And they still got massacred in the end by the European settlers, did they not!
As for the goal of the campaign;
“Our self-respect as a virile people obliges us to put down as soon as possible, by reason or by force, this handful of savages who destroy our wealth and prevent us from definitely occupying, in the name of law, progress and our own security, the richest and most fertile lands of the Republic.”
—Julio Argentino Roca
Sounds just like CFK about the Falklands today.
@62 ProRG_American
Dec 21st, 2012 - 05:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You make a very good point. I've just called mate of mine in MI6 and apparently James Bond has been down there for the last two weeks agitating especially to make sure this happened. Apparently, supermarkets in Bariloche are at the top of MI6 global targets.
CFK: Please Falklanders if we take you over, you too can have looting in your streets. Please vote for Argentina in your referendum for a more exciting life!!!
Dec 21st, 2012 - 05:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0FI: No thanks ,we'll keep the almost non existent crime statistics, if you don't mind.
---CFK in the same Government House (Casa Rosada) with some students of primary level and in fron of the press said that “Sarmiento was a HDP freemason---
Dec 21st, 2012 - 05:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How uncouth for a president to speak like that to kids.
So Pgerman you are an uber nationalist but critical of the government. How does that work?
@Pugol-H
Dec 21st, 2012 - 05:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I invite you to proof that the extermination of the original people was done during the Campaña del Desierto. If there was an extermination plan where are their mass graves? I read some very stupid thnigs such as that 200,000 poeple were killed by the Army. Where are the mass graves of 200,000 people?
As I have alread told you, the definition of Argentina as a country, the consolidation of it's physical boundaries and sovereignty was not different from the early history of Canada, Australia and NZI. Would you considered these processes genocides?
JA Roca was a clever man, one of the best Argentine president ever, and he had extremenly good relationships with UK and with the surrounding conutries as well (he negotiated and arranged agreements with Chile and Brsil to avoind future inconviniences).
He understood what is quite evident: to make progress a country must trade and have excelent relationships with the World. Do you think CFK thinks this was?
@73 pgerman
Dec 21st, 2012 - 05:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So let me ask you where you think the Mapuche went, after they finished massacring the other tribes.
They were definitely not there after the Conquest of the Desert, and if they were not there before, why did the desert require conquering.
Or was it inhabited by such particularly vicious wildlife that an army was required to pacify the territory.
I agree what happened was no different to places like the USA, Canada or Australia.
In fact all over the world, since the dawn of human history this has been going on.
The difference here is you are trying to justify/misrepresent what happened.
I also agree Roca was clever, one of your best and had a good relationship with the UK, he signed the Convention of Settlement 1850 as I recall.
Roca certainly built Argentina up, whereas CFK is now rapidly pulling it apart and down.
But that is just my opinion.
@Tobers
Dec 21st, 2012 - 06:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm not a nacionalst at all.
I'm Argentine born but I live in Canada. As most of the mid-class of my country I have always loved British culture. I don't consider UK as my enemy at all.
Just to the contrary, it's a country and a culture to imitiate in many things.
It just happens that I think a little bit different from most of the UK people about FI.
Massive anti-argie dyspepsia!!
Dec 21st, 2012 - 06:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Guess what haters?? Wine Spectator and Wine Enthusiast (two of the top ANGLO-SAXON wine publications), have come out with their top wines of the year.
They are VERY USA-centric naturally, so some major bias is expected (albeit all wine publications are biased to their local industry), so the USA wine “dominance” should be taken with a MAJOR cube of salt...
However that fact makes it more remarkable when as a foreign maker you actually score with out-of-country publications....
Wine Spectator top 10 wines:
10. Achaval-Ferrer Malbec Finca Bella (La consulta RVR -MENDOZA)
9. Italy
8. United States
7. United States
6. France
5. France
4. France
3. Australia
2. France
1. United States
http://www.winespectator.com/display/show?id=47551
Wine Spectator
10. Spain
9. United States
8. France
7. New Zealand
6. United States
5. United States
4. Italy
3. United States
2. France
1. Gran Corte Las Divas Vineyard (Tupungato RVR - MENDOZA)
http://www.winespectator.com/display/show?id=47551
ONLY NON-USA COUNTRIES TO SHOW IN BOTH LISTS:
France, Italy, ARGENTINA.
Only one of those three countries to have a top 2012 wine: ARGENTINA
Which province: MENDOZA, MENDOZA, MENDOZA.
hahahahahahahaha... so much for talking smack about Argie wine, once again proven that I spoke the truth, and you losers lied!
May the diarrhea keep flowing anti-haters! Mendoza wine! jojojojo
I could not be happier to see this kind of stuff happening in Argentina.
Dec 21st, 2012 - 06:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0When you stupid people kick this woman SS Hitler Kirchner out of power perhaps life will get better but lets be honest for the past 30 years you have elected a Corupt governmant and you wonder why The Falkland Islanders want nothing to do with you.
Pgerman,
Dec 21st, 2012 - 06:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Roca may have been the greatest president and been a huge success for Argentina, but that doesn’t justify the means. I would agree that there was a similar genocide of native peoples in North America. North Americans who deny that are as blinkered as you are.
The genocide was the result of war followed by removal from their land. No society can survive without land.
You are using selective facts to support a view that you hold, i.e. that it is morally defendable that Europeans took land from indigenous.
The facts are, the Mapuche, Tehuenche and others were there before the Europeans. The facts are that Roca wanted the land and was prepared to take it by force. The natives lost their land and there livelyhood.
It is no better or worse than any other act of violet colonialism perpetrated by countless nations over the centuries.
You are an Argentine and you love your nation and you need to believe the Argentine colonisation of Patagonia was morally defensible.
That is simply not objective.
You may be right about the masons. It is an interesting theory.
@pgerman, Any reason why you deserted your country?? tell us all about your life in Canada A great English speaking nation with our dear Queen Elizabeth as head of state,tell us all about your freedom of speach tell us all how good life for you is living outside of Argentina away from SS hitler Kirchner
Dec 21st, 2012 - 06:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Now it spread to San Fernando.....organized looting. Why have these argentine's turned violent at and snap of the fingers. IS this what kirchners policies are causing to happen?
Dec 21st, 2012 - 06:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.buenosairesherald.com/article/119977/looting-attempt-on-san-fernando-supermarket-spurs-tension-
Two havae been killed. Maybe this is asslips plan to start martial law.
http://www.buenosairesherald.com/article/119977/looting-attempt-on-san-fernando-supermarket-spurs-tension-
http://rt.com/usa/news/four-dead-pennsylvania-injured-598/
Dec 21st, 2012 - 06:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@Nostrolldamus Your an Arse wipe this is wonderful to see the starving and neglected people in Argentina behaving like this while the hard working prosperous live peacefully in The Great British Falkland Islands.
Dec 21st, 2012 - 06:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am on bended kness begging for this looting and vilolance to spread PLEASE LORD send it to the gates of that most vile of women KIRCHNER
53
Dec 21st, 2012 - 06:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0just came about -5- with me.
these are Mercopress comments,no one reads this website.
that is stand up name No:65 talking itself,i had asked something about Argentina few months ago,knows nothing on .
I'm in Mendoza, we don't have shanties, thus w never have any looting, ever in our history.
Dec 21st, 2012 - 06:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have some fresh images from Buenos Aires, right now:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ed0QJJL9sYQ
Doesn't look like arentina is the Land of Oz afterall. At least the killers in the USA are mentally ill. These people are are direct cause to the “kirchner way”.
Dec 21st, 2012 - 06:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Titti boi....you must be very busy in your corner of your cell scanning for USA article.........
masterbate, scan....masterbate, scan...masterbate, masterbate, masterbate....scan..........get a girl friend, mom will not be around as long as you might be.
What happened to that article about the guy killing his boss and co workers in BA then torching the building....censured? The mobs on Julio ave burning tires and obstructing traffic?
@Nostrolldamus, Even fresher images from Port Stanley via London MUSIC TO OUR EARS
Dec 21st, 2012 - 06:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVHjKLIDAUY
Ah speaking of music (I don't care about the Malvinista cause), life in Mendoza right now:
Dec 21st, 2012 - 06:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuKMZzcKyGU
Mendoza wines. You have to drink them with a cake of salt to counteract acidity? Nice to know
Dec 21st, 2012 - 06:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ah! Andy65. What you have to post their finest moment for?
Dec 21st, 2012 - 06:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@88
Dec 21st, 2012 - 07:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Someone is invidious.
@89
I'll soon post video of the 3 British surrenders to Buenos Aires militia and to the United Provinces.
@Nostrolldamus The 3rd Speak all your shit as much as you want your a looser just like Kirchner and your country
Dec 21st, 2012 - 07:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0GOD BLESS THE GREAT BRITISH FALKLAND ISLANDS
Campo Papa Mendoza Argentina
Dec 21st, 2012 - 07:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGTQSTtPSa0
Looks like most of South America.
I think you are caught in a lie again Toby.
84
Dec 21st, 2012 - 07:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I know Mendoza.
Where are you from Mendoza ?
@92
Dec 21st, 2012 - 07:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0At best you are talking about 100-200 houses, 1000 people in a province of 1.7 million.
And guess what??
http://edimpresa.diariouno.com.ar/2009/01/26/imagenes_noticias/d10f1.jpg
The area is being officially urbanized with properly built homes, and streets connected to the outside, and lighting.
http://edimpresa.diariouno.com.ar/2009/01/26/imagenes_noticias/d10f1.jpg
So once again, yankeeboy makes a fool of himself.
VIOLA!!
So I hear in today's mass shooting several police officers were struck. Maybe they should buy some of those BULLET PROOF SCHOOL BACKPAKS...
#90 way too funny.
Dec 21st, 2012 - 07:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As for Mendoza wines.....they are ok. Malbec's are rather light bodied nd you have to spend a fortune for a flavorful wine like a a Trapiche. STill no comparison to Zinfandel or Merlot.
Back to argentina riots and looting. Can they control it, or part of asslips plans?
@Nostrolldamus Here is a nicer video of your lover SS Hitler Kirchner I believe she will be oscar nominated for this performance ENJOY
Dec 21st, 2012 - 07:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0fywBbhvxo&NR=1&feature=endscreen
@93
Dec 21st, 2012 - 07:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I won't give my current address, as a young boy I lived in Barrio Alimentacion between the Macabi Israeli Club and the Club Aleman de Mendoza (only in Argentina!!), and then moved not too far to Dorrego to a home not far from the Costanera elevated expressway.
@96
Wait, I thought we were a dictatorship with no freedom of expression... how can then a BURLESQUE parody of the president using a man be permitted? And making allusions to the “suitcase” on top of that?? How??? Aren't we like Syria, Iran, and North Korea??
97
Dec 21st, 2012 - 07:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Are you kidding with me .!
Toby, That pictures still looks like slums to me. I guess our standards of living are very different!!
Dec 21st, 2012 - 07:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But you probably live in a Slum so you don't know the difference
BTW there is Barrio Paraguay too isn't there and it is loaded with pollution with kids playing in the toxic water.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gh70EdSPKJ0
Is that your mother?
@Nostrolldamus The 3rd What the video does not tell us that shortly afterwards the actor was shot dead because Kirchner felt he looked better than her LOL.This video give a true reflection of how the outside world views your beloved Crissy as a loud mouth Botox chemically henanced BITCH.
Dec 21st, 2012 - 07:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@76 There are actually quite a few good wines that come out of the Napa/Sonoma area. A lot of Italian, French, and German families own some of the wineries down there. In fact, one of my favorite wines from that area believe it or not is from a winery owned by German immigrants. Who would've known? The judges actually study the wine business, and there are even college classes for wine tasting. It's not from some cultural bias.
Dec 21st, 2012 - 07:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Of course to know that you would actually have to set foot in a different country, meet people and do things. Also, get over your “I hate Anglo-Saxons” bit. You might be a little less hateful if you actually went places and did stuff.
You really need to travel or at the very least get a girlfriend or something.
99
Dec 21st, 2012 - 07:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I see you are very addictive on YouTubes
I recommend these below videos to see rather than YouTubes
could be useful for your growing up.
http://www.personalgrowthcourses.net/video/mind_control_history_channel.
@LightThink and @Nostrolldamus The 3rd
Dec 21st, 2012 - 07:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Dont't you wish that miserable country you call Argentina was as nice a place as prosperous and as peacuful as the land in this video???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzGHVkXLU0g&NR=1&feature=endscreen
102. I actually hate youtube but those videos show a very good representation of the filthy, toxic wasteland that is Argentina.
Dec 21st, 2012 - 07:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Did you see the horse and cart full of “valuable” garbage. I guess Toby can eat today.
see these videos
Dec 21st, 2012 - 07:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0learn something
learn US do not pretend an American
grow up
@yankeeboy your vidoes are a true representation of the land they call Argentina
Dec 21st, 2012 - 07:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0by the way
Dec 21st, 2012 - 07:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0let the talking yourself addiction as copying someonelse
grow up
So now the RG govt blames the unions for the looting (BA Herald)? Kristalnacht here we come, orchestrated by the Sturmtruppen from Campora and Quebracho?
Dec 21st, 2012 - 08:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0YES!
Dec 21st, 2012 - 08:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's all going the way we non-argies just knew it would.
Riots, murders, NO POLICIA!
Have to send in the border guards: plenty of extortion chances here!
I wonder how many calories are in a 50” TV?
LOLs
cleverboy
Dec 21st, 2012 - 08:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you watch @ 102 videos ..don't you ...
what an interesting...isn't it.
@101
Dec 21st, 2012 - 08:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are about as Argentine as Miso Soup with a zest of Vodka.
You are in high dudgeon over my “hateful” ways yet you seem to ignore the replies since 101. Like 103, 104, 108... which are a combination of lies and the use of trully horrific events in world history (Kristalnacht), and devaluing them by comparing them with some stupid minor disturbance by teenage punks looking for an LCD.
PATHETIC.
62 ProRG_American
Dec 21st, 2012 - 09:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Paranoia strikes deep, into your life it will creep. Cuckoo! Cuckoo!
this is a nice video of a nice crowd. learn.
Dec 21st, 2012 - 09:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0www.youtube.com/watch?v=UC9TQ7ev5_c
Toby, I've watched the videos of the riots & looting and they're not minor nor do the thugs looks like teenagers.
Dec 21st, 2012 - 09:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Maybe you should watch the news before you try to put out some more lies.
We all knew this would happen, maybe it's the unions, maybe its the gov't but either way it is sad that either of these entities would subject citizens to terror just to get more power.
The corruption is endemic, created by generations of “entitlements” and it is only going to get worse.
You should pray for a Pinochet or a Thatcher to rescue you!
I miss the pot and pan parades, I think its the shear ingenuity and musicality they demonstrate, i've never heard 'girl from Ipenema' played on a colander before.
Dec 21st, 2012 - 09:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0More pot and pan parades please for the appreciative Brits.......:-)
Saw it on tele, made ours look like a shoplifting.
Dec 21st, 2012 - 09:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0To take a light hearted approach to what is obviously a serious situation brewing...
Dec 21st, 2012 - 09:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Isn't this just state sponsored Christmas shopping?
The wives getting in the food, the Dads for the booze and the kids for the latest in electrical gear???
Seriously, things must be getting harder if there are riots starting. One hopes things do not get worse for those suffering the hardships of the inflationary problem and increasing poverty. Not that the mad bitch will notice when she is stuffing her turkey neck with turkey.
As for Argentine wine, there is some nice stuff produced there, I have been drinking some Pinot Grigio from there and it's really nice stuff.
For all those that frequent the boards, Nostroll, Simon68, Joe Bloggs and well EVERYONE. I hope you all have a happy festive season.
See you all in January.
Curiously, according to the Buenos Goebbels Herald, the Front for Fail party is trying desperately to pin the obviously la campora terroristas looting on the unions. The unions then said 'no, it was obviously la campora, they have the same m.o. and masks'.
Dec 21st, 2012 - 09:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Either, the Front for Fail party are very stupid for getting maximo to loot shops or the argentines are very stupid for believing the Front for Fail. One or the other.
And these savages wonder why no one can take them serious. Kirchners will be your countrys downfall and the thing that hurts you Argies more is that we can all see from the outside looking in but you people are so stupid to admit it, best take my advise you need to send you botox chemically henanced queen to go join her dead husband Nazi Nestor ASAP then you can share the millions of Dollors she as stolen from your country and share amongst you miserable lot
Dec 21st, 2012 - 10:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0GOD BLESS THE GREAT BRITISH FALKLAND ISLANDS PROSPEROUS, HEALTHY AND SECURE
Come off it guys, be honest, compared to our recent problems in London. This story is like a fart in an Olympic size swimminpool!
Dec 21st, 2012 - 10:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@120 Well, the rioting in london wasn't caused by the terrorist / militant wing of the conservative party, because there isn't one. The supposed Front for FAIL orchestration of the riots in order to generate public sympathy during a time when many are starving makes it altogether different.
Dec 21st, 2012 - 10:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Poverty in the UK means you sit at home watching 'football' on your 50inch plasma.
Mate a riots a riot. Innocent people get hurt, and that aint it good! Seen the latest stor on Mecopressy. appears it is really cracking off. “Pressure on”
Dec 21st, 2012 - 11:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Has the looting stopped? It's 03:33 GMT.
Dec 22nd, 2012 - 03:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0This was inevitable under CFK. Giving 16 year olds the right to vote is not the way to go. How many of the rioters felt that they were entitled to these things - LCDs, Whisky etc.?
I do not think that this is the end but rather the beginning of the end for the populist rule of CFK. She may also have to depart from the roof of the CasaRosada in a helicopter just like de la Rua did in 2001.
@115 lol
Dec 22nd, 2012 - 04:55 am - Link - Report abuse 084 Nostrolldamus The 3rd (#)
Dec 22nd, 2012 - 04:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Dec 21st, 2012 - 06:39 pm
“I'm in Mendoza, we don't have shanties, thus w never have any looting, ever in our history.”
I hate to burst your bubble, Tobias, but you've just won the “Pinoccio de Oro”. The looting in 2001 started in Mendoza in Godoy Cruz and Guaymallen!!!!!!
Please see: http://www.losandes.com.ar/notas/2006/12/20/politica-216877.asp
I hate to digress......but chubby chavo is on life support....he had a trach and cannot breath on his on. He is expected to die any time now.
Dec 22nd, 2012 - 07:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And the argie bloogers on here, defend its cause,
Dec 22nd, 2012 - 07:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0its not the goverments fault, but the thieves looters and criminals,
as you lot so often through at us,
what goes arround
comes arround,
but hey,
we can asure you, the UN will be told and complianed to.
125 Simon68
Dec 22nd, 2012 - 08:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Do not overlook the fact that TTT was not born then!
LOLs
Best wishes to you and your family.
#44,62 Good points, I think you're right
Dec 24th, 2012 - 07:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@129 BK
Dec 25th, 2012 - 01:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0LOL, BK !!
A cheap throwaway comment.
Do you have nothing to say?
Really? Are you agreeing with ProFARCE?
Foreign intelligence services are behind the riots ?
CIA, MI6, Moussad??
They don't even know you exist. LOL !!
You are so full of yourselves, and so full of cr@p.
Congratulations, you've just put yourself in the same league as ProFARCE and PH ALEX VARGAS - and you know how much respect those two loonies get around here.
Oh, it's too funny :-D
Troy they only wish that the CIA, MI6 and Moussad was in their country organizing something, it would mean argentina is something on the international playing field and their are not. Nevermind the fact of how many officers it would take in one country to turn that many assets into a looting spree like that. This is asslips strawdogs....her actions. But than again asslips is still sight unseen....people are getting desperate in argentina.
Dec 25th, 2012 - 03:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0Can anyone tell me why thisis happening in Argentina, a country which before WW2 could be considered a land of opportunity?
Dec 25th, 2012 - 07:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0Chile was also subjected to the rule of a brutal dictatorshi but is now peacefull and progressive.
Cristina Kirchner seems to be tarred with the same brush as Mugabe in Zimbabwe, dos Santos in Angola, Ghadaffi in Libya, Assad in Syria and so on. I think that she is a mere puppet for some sinister cabal that is running the country. They are pulling the strings.
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